ATTENTION EUROPEAN ABD AUSTRALIAN ANONS
You now have the power to kill Ubisoft and games as a service. The courts are receiving complaints to get Online only games banned due to backlash from The Crew getting shutdown
Stopkillinggames.com
>Do I need to be an owner of The Crew to sign
No if you live in Europe or Australia.
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>yuropoor activism
el oh el
>demoralization efforts in the first three posts
Your masters must be paying you well. Just don't tell me you're doing it for free. It'd be laughable if you did.
it's even worse. they/them are amerimutts. it's in their genes to bend their knee and bootlick israeli corpos and government.
Already signed just to spite this cancer
Enjoy you last few years on earth before you get shoahd again
Imagine being a yuropoor and your taxes, instead of filling serbian potholes and building polish toilets, fund THIS.
Imagine doing it for free for ubisoft. The most wretched, deformed, fetal alcohol syndrome riddled slavoid is more noble than you are.
Doing what for free? You know there's really no cost in the united states for powering on your pc and leaving it on, right? Is this a yuropoor thing where they're mad they installed a single player game and had to pay $100 for the juice to power their pc during the download when they REALLY wanted to race against the other 3 people playing the crew?
(it is this)
>deformed abomination invents a strawman to fight against in service of its masters
have a nice day.
>noooooooooooooooooo the eu is always right and i need them to tell the video game companies what i want which is to play THE CREW until whoever is in merkel's job shuts off my power nooooooooooooooooooooooo
That's you. That's what you sound like and that's the argument you are making and frankly it makes you sound quite the fool.
in that case they should be forced to host splinter cell chaos theory servers.
I need them to tell videogame companies that it is not okay to arbitrarily remotely terminate my access to the adequate function of the product that I had paid money for, without giving me ability to adjust it so that it could function in the same way as if the company had supported it, in the absence of their support. Since they show no intentions of acting in good faith, yes, I require the government to step in and ensure that my consumer rights are protected and the value of my money respected. You may depart the thread now.
>agree to have game taken from you when you buy it once support is ended
>game is taken from you
WOW!!
to have game taken from you when you buy it once support is ended
I'll take things no one did for 100 alex
It very clearly shows you the EULA before you purchase the game and that you must agree.
You can’t agree to have your rights infringed upon. The EULA is void.
Please show me the law that states a EULA it can retroactively take back a product you legally bought.
That's not a LAW moron
Please show me the law that states it is suddenly illegal for a company to end support for a 10+ year old game with zero players.
Allowing offline play or player servers is not “continued support”, Ubishill.
Stupid Black person, dont fricking move the goalpost. show me the god damn law already
You are a bootlicker with no clue about the subject matter.
thats not a law you moron, try again
>THIS PRODUCT IS LICENSED TO YOU, NOT SOLD
That's objectively correct. I don't own the source code.
Like I said, null and avoid in anywhere outside of the US
No European judge will even bother reading one single line of that shit, they'll just laugh and say "American company?"
im pretty sure those dont hold up in the us either, nobody just wants to fight them in court
ubisoft is a french company bro
Its even a French company which is part of why The Crew is such a good target out of all the potential games to go after.
>EULA says you will eat ze bugs
>accept
>eat ze bugs
Are you stupid?
Eula is not a legally binding agreement. If it contains points that are illegal in the country where the game is being distributed, EULA is null and void. The company offered EULA therefore is not a legally binding contract. Stop running in circles rat.
Black person, the EU doesnt give a frick about EULA, shut the frick up
>W-well this THIRD WORLD COUNTRY doesnt agree to this contract you signed!
lol
>EU
>third world
i see a troony has joined the discussion
>EU third world
LOL.....LMAO! LMAOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!! Ameritrannies are delusional!
Yeah and this law is about NOT agreeing to have games taken from you. Why are you against that?
Except when you buy a game you don't agree to that. Once you boot the game, it shows you a gigantic wall of text that is null and void in any country that isn't the United States, so you can click "I accept" without facing any repercussions
On a side note it's funny how much Americans respect the EULA, I think if Facebook updated their EULA tomorrow to include "and you have to have a nice day" America would be wiped off the globe in 30 minutes
Only MMO with monthly subscription and mobile GaaS shit have that excuse.
Rest of them don't
>buy an appliance
>has ender of service agreement
>you don't know when it'll happen so you keep using it, buy food you enjoy to use with it
>company breaks into your house and steals it and the food inside it
I’ve never purchased a game where I had to do that.
And with this effort, no one will.
Such an agreement is illegal and is in violation of my rights. Such a contract is fraudulent and is null and void. I did not agree to it just because it was written somewhere. Stop licking the boot, scum.
Buy replying to my post you are agreeing that I can legally frick you in the ass.
Better not reply because apparently such agreements can supersede the law.
Wow, gay.
So, your place or mine?
Whoops
>my consumer rights
>if I have no consumer rights that means no one else does
You can post your epic tranime webms as much as you like, but the fact is that my country of residence, allows me to return a product I bought following two weeks after purchase and get a full refund without offering any explanations. And the warranty is granted for free and is automatic, depending on the product's cost, it lasts either a year or two years and should the product malfunction or break, the company distributing it is obligated to either repair it or furnish me with a new, functioning copy, free for charge, or if they cannot provide that, compensate me with a similar product equivalent in cost. I had made use of my rights as a consumer in the past and gotten a fresh new Corsair K100 after my old one broke after a year and a half of use. Now I am going to tell you to mcfricking have a nice day because adults are talking.
>i can return the bear i downloaded that makes me more free to pay quadruple the price for electricity
big victory anon, you sure showed me
>non argument because he's a literal child that has no idea what he's talking about
Begone.
My phone had USB-C before it was mandated, because my country is allowed to sell products not designed by the yuropoor union.
Ubisoft is a yuropoor company.
Europoor activism is the reason Steam has refunds now
Maybe you Americans should try actually standing up to your israeli overlords for once
*forces you to use usb c*
activism
You mean the same activism, combine with Aussie activism, that resulted in valve getting sued to shit and having to implement a refund policy globally?
Ubisoft best be preparing it's fricking anus.
TWO HOUR REFUNDS
TWO HOUR REFUNDS
WE GOT TWO HOUR REFUNDS OVER HERE
Australians aren't beholden to that restriction by the way
>it's not real activism, because it's not about worshipping Black folk or seething about nazis
kek, americans
How did americans even get
this buckbroken by corpos.
It's fitting that the only people who give a shit about dogshit old games with 0 active players being shut down are euromutts and brazillian monkeys.
>im a moron and dont know what legal precedent is
we know
How many server warehouses should be dedicated to running shitty old games with zero players?
......you ever heard of offline mode, dumbass
>just bring back a disbanded development team working in different companies to add a offline mode to a game no one plays
Or have that shit prepared during its development, like a responsible company
Besides this is Ubisoft, not an indie company, don't act like asking THEM to do some low effort shit for their multisquillion dollar games is beyond the pail
Law doesn't work backwards. It'll be a requirements for future games that become unsupported.
This is also one of the more moronic aspects of this. It's not going to bring any games back. It's going to kill more games in the long run through them not being made as they either don't conform to the new regulations or developers don't want to commit to them.
>le lost sale argument
You couldn't be any more transparent if you tried.
>muh chilluns
Like clockwork.
Stop being an autistic c**t and realise people can have different opinions, not everyone's a shill.
I'm literally an Australian who has first hand experience with Government intervention in video games and it's not the magic solve all that you morons are claiming it is.
>One instance of X is bad
>Therefore all X is bad
I wonder where the fault is in this logic.
Where do you stand on UK loicense memes?
And that's an open question to anyone who wants the EU or whoever else to step in on game regulation
My stance is that I'm not a UK citizen and it's on them to fix their shit. I'm also not a maximalist who thinks that because governments make bad decisions sometimes we should not have them regulate anything ever. Stuff that was done right does not draw attention.
>Where do you stand on UK loicense memes? And that's an open question to anyone who wants the EU or whoever else to step in on game regulation
Frick off with your 'slippery slope' fallacy
Believe it or not, precedence is a very important concept in law. Opening the door can lead to unwanted consequences.
I'd rather open the door and deal with the consequences that give corporations power over how long things I spend money on can work as they are intended to.
There was an old lady who swallowed a fly.
Power only goes one way, the coof should have taught you that
You're lacing the boot that's going to step on your balls
I am unvaccinated, so no, power goes both ways, it's belief in the power of megacorporations that makes them powerful, not their ability to project actual power.
>it's belief in the power of megacorporations that makes them powerful,
So why are you claiming they are all powerful then? You are genuinely moronic. If you don't give them money, you are not impacted. If enough people don't give them money then they aren't profitable and are forced to change or go broke and it still doesn't effect you whatsoever.
The people whining that government must intervene are the people believing that a company has power over them and their purchasing decisions.
>muh slippery slope
>The Crew defenders are literal pedophiles
lmao you cant make this shit up
>PEDO PEDO PEDO PEDO PEDO PEDO
Stop thinking about children, you sick frick
>if you're against my profits you're... a pedofile!!!
Shut the frick up rabbi, go bomb some children's hospital or something. Nobody's falling for your shit anymore
All it takes is to keep documents of specific code handy that programmers need to expedite the private server development
If devs prepare for the obvious inevitability that they must one day shut down the servers DURING DEV, then its a trivial amount of extra effort needed on their part to cover their asses
>All it takes is corporations being legally required to divulge company secrets teehee
Right. Anyway, enjoy the market for MMOs disappearing overnight.
And nothing of value was lost
You're in a thread crying that MMOs can't be played forever lmfao you're so full of shit it's unreal.
What if there is more than one poster in the thread?
that's absurd
The world may never know
Thanks hiro!
Stop I’m already erect
That is not true. All you homosexuals have in defense of your position are ridiculous, fallacious exaggerations that have nothing to do with reality. Get the frick out.
No, I did not.
...why would you make it impossible to give people the means to run your games without their help without giving up le company secrets
Again, games being playable online without the devs' support USED TO BE NORMAL. Valve didn't have to give up le company secrets to let people run their own servers of CS
Pirated servers for MMOs existed since the dawn of time you dumb homosexual. Somehow MMOs are still alive. This will simply make pirate servers legal after MMO officially shuts down. How fricking moronic do you have to be to oppose it?
>Pirated servers for MMOs existed since the dawn of time you dumb homosexual. Somehow MMOs are still alive.
Yeah because they don't include code that corporations were forced by big brother to release to the public. Are you pretending to be stupid or do you really not understand corporate risk assessment?
You don't need to release source code to create dedicated servers. Can you cease with this false line of argumentation and conveniently dodge the counter arguments whenever you are addressed?
Who said anything about source code? It's funny, it's clear you don't know anything about software or corporate behavior, because the only way you can fathom a risk is if source code is involved. You are a dipshit, but we know that already.
What the frick are you talking about when you say
>Yeah because they don't include code that corporations were forced by big brother to release to the public
then you stupid piece of shit
t. nta
Context 1: clean-room community server implementations
Context 2: companies being forced to release intellectual property (binaries, documentation, source code, whatever)
I'm sorry this is difficult for you to follow
Are fricking moronic? I don't need the source code to run the game locally. You don't even know what the frick the source code is
>if we introduce this new regulation the industry is DOOMED!
seething ancap
Shut up homosexual. Many games already died to this shit with nobody to bring them back. Many more will die if nothing is fixed. You'd care about this if you played games
you dumb Black person, every online game on earth has an offline mode, how the frick do you think they test it?
>how the frick do you think they test it?
By having the server also be in testing stages running when you do client updates. Are you really suggesting car manufacturers don't have wind tunnels and only test that once a working car is built?
Online testing is a different stage they absolutely have an offline mode to test beforehand. You are literally asking questions that are basic game dev for frick sake
You would be surprised how dependant online-only games are for their servers.
Since you guess that and say it like that,
Are you speaking from your own developer experience or?
Laws don't work retroactively you dumb Black person
Allowing players to host their own servers is not the same as being forced to continue service.
Give people the resources to host their own servers instead. Now the company doesnt have to support shit and dedicated fans get to use the system. Make it illegal to profit off sales or subscription to the fan servers so competitors dont buy your shit.Think the ds event pokemon pirate servers. Nintendo isnt supporting it anymore but fans playing older games can still get access to the pokemon.
I am 100% certain if Nintendo knew fanservers for Pokémon and Wii Mario Kart still existed they would do anything they can to shut them down
zero
https://sbcommunity.itch.io/spellbreak-community-version
ross was right, gamers are essentially Black folk who need to be buckbroken and forcefully put in the right place against their moronic will and reasoning
80% of the population are npc Black personcattle and I’m being generous. It’s up to the player characters to fight. Once the law is in place, the Black personcattle will fall in line, the status quo is their home.
>Once the law is in place
Once the law is in place, the government will then institute more consumer protections. Like deeming "harmful content" such as depictions of violence (or in Puritanical America's; Sex) case not fit for consumption.
Slippery slope fallacy. Next.
Not a fallacy, literal observation being an Australian.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_banned_video_games_in_Australia
Australian consumer protection agencies are not the same body as the Australian classification board. You of course, know this.
Different arms of the same body, which is government. You clown.
So, your reasoning for defending Ubisoft's (of all companies) EULA is that a branch of the Australian government that has nothing to do with consumer protection has historically refused classification on particular games?
I hope the shill pennies are worth it for posting such fricking drivel
I'm not defending Ubisoft, as i stated in another thread I don't give a single frick about Ubisoft in the slightest. I don't buy any of their games, i advise no-one buy their games and I think you are a moron if you do.
What I am saying though is that the Nanny state mentality is pervasive.
>that has nothing to do with consumer protection
What the frick do you think the purpose of a classification board is, you fricking moron.
Without Nanny state, the corporation becomes the state you fricking moron.
Objectively false, marxist dipshit.
not an argument, bootlicker
Nanny state is a buzz word, explain why there are more downsides to regulating services being sold as goods vs allowing corporations to trick consumers by selling them products with an invisible death clock. At worst this just requires them to be honest that purchasing their game is a subscription to a service.
Slippery slopes are only fallacies if there's insufficient evidence to support the likelihood of the slippery slope. The prerequisite for avoiding the fallacy is that there is reasonable evidence to suggest that the extreme scenario is likely.
When DLC first became a thing, people who knew the greedy natures of the big publishers said pretty soon, they're going to start stripping games of content and selling said content back to you. Now it's become standard industry practice. The slippery slope was real.
Fitting that the american is a cuckold for corpos
americans have 0 rights or ways to influence the israelites ruling them, educate yourself
Where's the petition to kill ubislop buyers?
NYPA
I was just thinking earlier how easily c**ts come here to whip people off site nowadays
There's no shame, they act like it's a given and it's your problem when you tell them to frick off
homie games being killed affects everyone, bar some hypothetical anon who actually takes specific efforts to ensure he never invests himself in any game with vital online components just so he can deride anyone who does, which strangely enough one claims to pop up in every thread about this stuff
REMINDER THAT THIS SHIT ACTUALLY WORKS
HATE LIVE SERVICE? HATE ALWAYS ONLINE? KILL IT AT THE ROOT.
Troonix users prefer to ignore that, tho.
Not even looking at the actual content but the actual emotionalization and framing of this disgusts me so much I hope AI replaces all of them four years faster.
It's actually good journalism, it conveys the interpretation of hundreds of facts in one single line
>b-but the reader should be expected to read each of these hundreds of individual facts and make their own opinion!
Ain't nobody got time for that anymore
Usb-c is just as shit as apple's standard and no amount of Ganker circlejerking will change that. I've had several usb-c charge ports that break 3 or 4 months into their lifespan
>muh experts and planet
Die
The point is to have one universal cable for all devices instead of producing moronic amount of cables that are compatible only with certain devices because muh exclusivity.
OK but your point is fricking moronic because usb-c is garbage as well and shouldn't be forced on every fricking device. Allow competition instead of letting some council of trannies decide what everyone should use you wiener garbling brown yurotard homosexual.
>OMG I HAVE A LOT OF WIRES AND THEY GOT TANGLED BECAUSE I JUST THREW THEM IN A CABINENT WITHOUT SORTING THEM!!!
you are a braindead moron and should just be killed
you just said both are garbage, there is no competition in fricking cable, they're literally same apart from compatibility also you must have fricking fat mutt hands and like -30DEX if you break it every 3-4 months
>allow competition
There are now forty-seven competing standards
i remember all those different chargers phones had in 2000-2010 and it was total horse shit. now you can charge your phone pretty much anywhere even if you sont have a charger with you
Fricking Apple dickriding moron. All phones having the same charger is a godsend.
>forgot my charger
>can use my girlfriends charger
>my charger breaks
>can get a replacement literally anywhere and don't need to go to Applecancer store
God bless the EU for this.
>monopolies are... LE GOODE!!!
How do you not know what a monopoly is?
>does not know what a monopoly is
This site is 18+, dipshit zoomer.
you know there are companies getting paid because of USB-C right? It's not just a free use technology.
>Charger starts a fire because your phone, cable, and charger all implement (or don't) different levels of the usb-c standard
If only there was a middle ground between getting an overpriced brand charger and getting a cheap chinese charger.
If only the USB standards were actually good
What's so bad about the USB standards? All USB models transfer power and data, with USB-C being more than enough to power laptops and transfer large amounts of data at the same time. It's more than enough for the devices we currently have, and if in 5 years the paradigm changes, it's easy to change the legislation towards a new format.
based moron
>Shits on USB
>Refuses to elaborate further
>Leaves
naw bro it's all good, USB 3.2
SuperSpeed 20Gbps with 240W PD is the only kind of USB-C cable anyone needs to buy. never mind the ports
>it's easy to change the legislation towards a new format.
What new format? What research and development is going on now that usb-c is the legal standard?
Because of necessity and obsolescence? If USB-C becomes too outdated, then a new standard will have to be decided upon. Then a transitory period will come when it will be acceptable for devices to have both USB and the new standard, and then USB will become a legacy standard. That's how most standards work.
While IDE was pretty much the defacto standard for HDD ports, there was a necessity to develop a port capable of transferring data at a higher bitrate. Hence, SATA was created.
>But IDE wasn't a legally enforced standard
True, but they had to make customers buy new hardware which could support SATA anyway, so that's a financial companies take anyway.
>True, but
It's incredible how brainlessly you gloss over the crux of the argument, as if real world behavior can simply be wished away
>It's incredible how brainlessly you gloss over the crux of the argument
I didn't, you just chose to ignore it. I said that legislation isn't set in stone and can be accomodated to whatever the state of the art is. The current USB standard for MOBILE PHONES exists because otherwise we'd go back to having a different charger for every different phone model even within the same brand. That's a predatory way of doing business, and could also be considered planned obsolescence because if your charger breaks and the company doesn't make them anymore you're fricked.
>so that's a financial companies take anyway.
A financial risk companies take*
Will you still love USB-C in 20 years, when it takes just as long to charge things as it does now?
If you picked two different phones TODAY that use USB-C, they would already charge at different speeds. USB-C is just a port. You can do whatever you want with the pins.
Oh no, if only we could update regulations. Maybe we should hire some people to look into that full time. We could even create a system where we vote for them so as to ensure they have legitimacy. Maybe we should create some counter weights to limit their power, perhaps divide it in three branches, with each one being able to limit the other
It's funny how you can just spot the american posts in this thread
The way the EU did it is that device manufacturers all have to agree to update the tech. If someone spends the money to develop much better tech their competitors would have to agree to pay them money to license the tech for it to be put into use. How much money do you think is going to be spent on development of new charging tech?
Read my post again
>he thinks that the speed of charging a phone depends on the cable and not on the battery
Maaaaan, people sure are dumb on Ganker.
This is how you can tell morons going on about how anti-competitive the legislation is haven't actually read it. It allows for the adoption of superior standards you dumb Black personmutt.
The law would change in the future you dumb frick.
>The EU sweeps in 5 years after every device on the market except the iPhone is already using USB-C, by this point a somewhat outdated technology
>Somehow they will update this requirement in a timely fashion the next time around
>by this point a somewhat outdated technology
Name something better.
If the EU were around for the invention of the wheel they would mandate it has 6 sides because they once heard the ilkhanate uses 4 sided wheels.
>by this point a somewhat outdated technology
USB 2.0 is still very popular and even today I still buy some USB-A products, not sure under what pretense USB-C is outdated
"Allowing competition" is why in the early 00s there was a different charger for literally every cellphone model so if you lost your charger you were fricked you mongoloid zoomer
oh my gosh bros i love my EU MANDATED ZIP DRIVE i can't imagine having different options for floppy, disc, or usb external storage
>sata
BAN IT BAN IT BAN IT IT'S NOT UP TO STANDARD NOTHING CAN BE NEW NO ONE CAN INNOVATE I HAVE CONSUMER RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHTS
Why don't you stop fellating Steve Jobs' corpse for five minutes and listen applegay
boomers cant into cables
But you're wrong because usb-c cables are not all the same.
You can literally fry a USB device if you accidentally use a fast charging cable on something that doesn't support it.
>"Experts say that's a win"
Do journos deliberately do this to sound disingenous and demoralizing?
Yes, this thread alone is proof enough. Unironica shills and devs frequently post here, like that PSO2 troon from Sega.
Yeah normally anti-gamekill threads take a while to pick up the scoffing morons, but this time they were perched waiting to swoop
Not that I need to tell you this, but there is no originality, professionalism or charm in online writing these days and they all just copy the same hackneyed style without ever taking a second to ask why. It's deliberate: deliberately lazy so they can pump out more content to meet arbitrary story counts. It's all just a big SEO race to the bottom of the bloated content garbage heap we call the internet now. Want to find a decent recipe? Frick you enjoy scrolling down thousands of pages of word salad to find a Betty Crocker recipe that's missing measurements. Oh, you want to know about something specific in this video game? Game69 and GameBuzz set up thousands of pages about your game using your question as a headline that just contains basic shit you learned after playing 5 minutes of it frick you.
>Experts say
I now believe it was a bad choice.
now they just need to change their moronic outlets
It was the euros that also banned lootboxes in games
It was the UK that also REQUIRED online refunds for games for DECADES, EU only took that up about a decade ago following UK pressure to conform, which is also why steam now does refunds worldwide, steam always did refunds in the UK from day one due to the law, and adopted refunds for the EU later.
Youre welcome, mutts.
>we got addicted enough to digital costume boxes that we had to ban them as gambling
>we were moronic enough to buy the wrong games for WEEKS AT A TIME
>now you can also be this fricking stupid
wow thanks!
It was also the EU that demanded that they relinquish data on you, and declare if they use tracking cookies, that the user always gets the right to refuse. Its shocking how much data the average burgermutt gives up just by browsing. The EU unlike the US doesnt bend at the knee to ~~*them*~~ and said, no frick that.
Also without that law, apple would be charging 20x upcharge for their premium supercharge wires that you HAVE to get because they are the only ones that fit, same thing they always do, like the airpods. Appleshills pretending universal cable ports is a bad thing, or that USBC is bad is fricking hilarious. If not for that law apple would copyright bully every cheaper manufacturer and ~~*they*~~ would convince their drones that apple wires are somehow faster than normal wires, by making the phone deliberately charge slower with off brand mimic wires.
Theyre cucks. But thats americans for you, ever victims of corporate sodimisation but too cowardly to admit they like the buttfricking
>the EU is responsible for that gay splash screen that shows up on every single website now, aren't you happy?
>would rather be farmed for data than have to click "decline"
>thinks every page having such a disclaimer isnt a window into how bad the issue was but an annoyance
>this is actually how the average Black personmutt thinks
>blocks the popup
Yes.
>experts say
owners of usb-c cables?
herbs and spices
>/pol/
Kys miserable troon
I think you need a mirror for that post bub
So many troons on this website. Don't you homosexuals have literally every other site? Why do you insist on forcing yourselves on everyone than crying when people are repulsed by you? BUB
>/pol/
go frick yourself, seek meds
>another thread about ross scott's initiative where instead of supporting it, Ganker just chimps out at irrelevant shit
Why are you fricking subhumans like this?
This place is overran by paid shills. There is no rational reason to be actively against Ross. At most you don't care, so the thread and the topic should be of no interest to you.
Zero, you disingenuous filth, just give people the tools to emulate their own servers. Stop posting this in every fricking thread you subhuman. Dedicated servers for AAA games were available to people since 1998.
You can already host your own servers, it is not the developers responsibility to hold your hand on figuring out their code once they are done hosting the game.
>shill damage control
It's trivial to frick over players trying to write your own server with a little bit of cryptography. You can be a programming genius but if you don't have the private key you're still fricked.
>we're not responsible for making the product we're selling work
Yes you are actually. Some stores were selling Lawbreakers AFTER the servers were shut down, that's a game that you buy brand new and it doesn't work. That shit can't be legal
>you can already host your own servers
You actually can't. People get sued all the fricking time for supporting old dead versions of MMOs.
Because box price means you're paying for the client and sub fee means you pay for the server. If this movement accomplishes anything it'll only be having sub fees added to GAAS games.
The UbiJannies do it for free
gamergate 5
>The courts are receiving complaints to get Online only games banned
It only took 2 minutes reading your website to notice that's not what is happening at all. They're just asking the companies to release the server software when they decide to stop supporting the game.
wtf are they gonna do if it truly gets enough people to sign the petition or whatever
running servers is not free and you cant make people do free work. if the shit company goes really bankrupt, you expect a government to pick up the tab?
I dont really have any sympathy for these dogshit corporations but what is the plan here? all they can really do is just take it off digital stores, right? are you guys upset that you bought a dead game or something
A-anon did you even click the link and read the FAQ? They answer that question in full detail. Surely you are not a dum-dum who just goes voicing their opinion about shit they didn't even read, right? please learn with this experience and be better, stop wasting other people's time educating your lazy ass
>Unironic "not my job to educate you" posting attached to leftist slacktivism
帰れ homosexual
>zoomer thinks it's impossible to run "always online" vidya without a server
>pleading poverty for the squillion dollar corpo
They knew what they were doing when they made the game in the first place dependent on their servers. If they're so allergic to the notion of putting in some extra effort AFTER pulling the plug, then they should have thought about that during dev when preparing for this time would have been much easier
>They knew what they were doing
And you didn't when you decided to give them your money?
most games are already relying on lan/p2p and use servers merely for matchmaking, just put option to host your own servers like it was standard in 90/00's and problem is fricking solved, wow that was so hard (but now people will play older games if your new products turns out to be slop which is a big no no for Moshe)
> running servers is not free and you cant make people do free work. if the shit company goes really bankrupt, you expect a government to pick up the tab?
holy shit i hope at some point zoomzooms will learn to read the contents and not just read the title
Lawyer here, AMA
Why are you gay?
I'm not gay.
BTW I am actually unironically a lawyer, come on guys AMA.
How many vidya games you beat chief?
Exactly how embarrassing will it be in court
Not embarrassing at all, this lawsuit will easily work in Europe and also possibly in Australia and Brazil, these countries have great consumer right laws. Also only in the video game industry can the company arbitrarily take away your right to use the product you paid for, this shit isn't even discussed in any other industry because of how moronic it is.
>Brazil
>great consumer right laws
What do you think of the Ace Attorney games
Unironically very accurate representations of the essence of being a lawyer
At many times in my career have I found myself in seemingly unwinnable situations, tempted to just stop fighting and do the bare minimum. Then I remember Ace Attorney, put my chin up and fight tooth and nail. And more than once I have managed to do miracles through that.
Also Ace Attorney taught me great cross examination techniques. When the testimony is air tight most lawyers just skip the cross examination, but a better tactic is to nitpick one tiny detail and then keep stressing over it for 30 minutes until the witness starts fretting out
I won't sign anything but I hope others will
Same. Good luck to those involved though, even Crew isn't bad enough to die
Shut up homosexual
>nooooo you can't close the theme park
>I bought an unlimited subscription, so that means you should keep the park running forever, at a loss, just so a few hundred people like me can keep enjoying it
>sell someone a service for an unlimited time
>limit their access to the service they bought
Uh-oh! Sounds like a breach of contract!
Making the theme park available offline generates no loss
All the rides were leases and had to be returned
The site is deemed dangerous, inaccessible to the public and trespassing is illegal
A saudi's swooping in to buy the land and turn it into a piss hotel
What do you intend to do with your lifetime ticket?
I wouldn't buy a lifetime ticket but whoever bought it should obviously sue. Says lifetime right there and you're not dead yet. You deserve to be entertained for life
None of those analogies work for a vidya
>shill damage control
only in this board will you see people actively hating on the topic
grow up lads, shitting on vidya won't make you chad thunderwiener
>Just don’t buy the horse armor and everything will be fine :^)
THE MOLD RISES
Let’s say you genuinely dislike the practice. Do you:
A. Try to convince the population of the Earth to agree with you enough so that the practice stops?
B. Try to convince one government body to agree with you so that the practice stops?
C. Ignore it as it gets larger and larger?
You should be able to solve this.
I will keep giving my money to the companies that do the thing I claim to hate and buy games that are online-only, then decade later I come crawling back to anynomous board to beg for help when they get shut down.
C. Detected, you’re a cuck.
>A-at least I didn’t buy the horse armor!
4. I don't care about the practice and it makes me angry to see you homosexuals cry about it
D) Don't give your cash to greedy corp that makes shit so it no longer gets made.
So C.
Congrats, you didn’t buy the horse armor. You saved the industry.
You're welcome. Any time.
D. Hoist the sails.
I have plenty of "online only" games that work just fine offline (and VLAN MP too).
>allow players to make their own servers
>RCE exploit exists
>get sued because everyones hard drive is suddenly filled with CP
>have to have dev teams dedicated to maintaining shitty games with zero players anti-cheat
vs
>shutting down servers for game with zero players
You are such a dumb Black person. You cant sue someone over the actions of a fricking hacker. Its the hacker that broke the law.
You are way too arrogant for someone that is wrong. In Europe/Australia/Brazil you can absolutely sue a corporation for providing a vulnerable software. The courts will rule if the developers were negligent in not patching the vulnerability, or if it was some obscure shit they couldn't have anticipated. Corporations have good reasons for not wanting to share source codes, but I would argue that once end of service happens consumers will join other users's servers at their own risk
You don't need to share source code for dedicated software. This had been disproven a long time ago now. Half Life dedicated server software is closed source software. There is nothing to talk about here. The memes about exploits and epic hacking that can be done with it is just misdirection and demoralization.
Black person, it would be the person hosting the server that would be at the end of that, not ubisoft.
>THINK ABOUT THE CHILDREN
Impressive how you managed to make even this issue about MUH CHILDREN, homosexual
>B-but what if le hackers use the video games to hack peoples computers??
'Anon your wallpapers put a virus on our computer'-tier
Damn I can't believe John Carmack is still liable for what people do on Quake 1 servers to this day.
You are so fricking stupid its kind of impressive.
There's a shocking amount of gaslighting around this from people who pretend that online games being playable without dev support hasn't ever been a thing
Damm, I didn't know that a braindead karen would post on Ganker.
open source the game and server then.
>brazil
>consumer right laws
wat, isn't that shithole basically a jungle
It's a big country, some parts are jungles and others aren't, but it has some of the world's most advanced legislation when it comes to consumer rights, in fact quite possibly the most advanced one in the world, even better than Europe's. It operates off the logic that the consumer is always right, burden of proof is always on the corporation, if anything goes wrong the consumer can sue anyone involved with the supply chain, the EULA is basically null and void, I could go on for a long time.
Also they have consumer right patrols that can instantly close your company if they so much as spot a product being sold without a price tag. Shit is brutal.
their men also look like this
Very sexo country.
That's not a man
>he doesnt know
>oh no, oh no oh no oh no
Fake
Kid on the left was shot in the face in that video. He was trying to sell a stolen cellphone to the owner.
As an actual Brazilian lawyer you are complete and utterly full of shit.
Our laws are only slightly better than Americans in terms of consumer rights and in actual practice it's much worse because you can't even sue companies directly before going through the government agency that handles this shit.
>Oh but there is a government agency that helps you isn't that great
No because it lets the company get away most offenses just by giving your money back several months later. The whole thing is a complete joke and it only got worse after the new administration.
Oh and also even if you could get any form of actual ruling against a company that would force them to do something costly they will literally just leave our country entirely instead of complying.
A bunch of companies already did for a lot of minor stuff not even related to consumer rights because we're poor and not really a relevant market.
Ubisoft is where SweetBabyInc got their industry influence.
Jesus Christ, so many people here just don't get it. It isn't about just The Crew, it's about people not being able to play the games they've bought. Companies can shut down any online game the day after you bought it with no consequences, and no way to host your own servers, and that's what he wants to change.
It's Blizzard shutting down Overwatch 1 when the abortion of a sequel came out. It's the companies that release a "better" version of a game and make the older one unavailable to get legally or unable to play despite you putting money into it.
Not just "hurr durr frick ubisoft" - though, frick them.
I wish him good luck. As soon as the stuff for my area goes live I'm signing. I don't own the game so I can do the consumer protection side but I'll do what I can.
>Companies can shut down any online game the day after you bought it with no consequences
So why did you buy one? You obviously know the risk
You'd be shocked by how many people actually don't consider this risk at all
Either way, these companies are clearly selling their games as goods not services, so it doesnt matter what people thought
That's not how it works, shill. YOU are responsible for making your product work, not me. You can't say "by buying this console you accept the risk that it might be damaged and will not work, no refunds", that's not how it works
You're the one who agreed to buy the game knowing full well they were allowed to shut down the servers at any time.
>knowing full well they were allowed
Not if this law passes you dumb frick. Your entire argument is based on law supporting moronic practices and somehow you don't want that to change?
This law won't ever pass due to the absurdity of expecting game development studios to support every online only game for the rest of time. Not every game can have a "offline" mode.
>This law won't ever pass due to the absurdity of expecting game development studios to support every online only game for the rest of time
No one is asking for this you stupid frick
Palworld could do it
That's not what the demands of the public are, you have intentionally misconstrued the intentions in order to discredit your opposition and portray them in a negative light.
Allowing players to support the game themselves is not the same as perpetually supporting the game.
And once the law is in place, games will be made with this in mind.
Next?
>Le bait false premise again
Every game can have an offline mode
Literally every game can have a non-company-supported mode if you release the server code.
>every game can have community servers if you release the source code to how ubisoft does networking in their games!
great idea morons
>Server code = source code
Again, you dont know what source code is you dumb Black person. it is not the same as server code
>But think of poor poor Ubisoft! How could they ever do something that hundreds of other companies have done in the past.
Your shilling is getting a bit blatant.
He did.
Interesting how someone so unbelievably tech illiterate can post with such confidence
>Not every game can have a "offline" mode.
Why not?
Defend your point. Provide examples.
Alternatively, drink bleach.
>Not every game can have an "offline mode"
But we know the game can be in a functional state. And we know the publisher is in possession of the software that could easily return the game to a functional state. So why is it an unreasonable standard to ask for that software to be provided? Many many game companies have done so in the past.
Ah, no games getting bought at all I guess then, if every company can decide to make it unplayable across the board the day after purchase. Not scummy as frick at all.
Would you say the same about a book? If I buy a novel and the publisher manages to turn it ash overnight then oh no! Should have I expected that risk?
>Would you say the same about a book? If I buy a novel and the publisher manages to turn it ash overnight then oh no! Should have I expected that risk?
When you're buying books attached to lit fuses, yeah you probably should have expected that
Okay, in terms you understand then. A company bricking your freshly bought console just because they're taking it out of service.
Or your OS getting the final update that actually just completely makes it unsiae, deliberately, so you have to buy the new one. Better?
First. Fallacy argument
Name 5 games that went offline to the point of total unplayability one day after release. Exactly, this isnt what is happening at all so your very first point is false
Secondly, bad comparison. A book is a physical object you own that has no reason to need to be in the hands of the publisher once bought. A game is a licence to play a vidya, in these cases, an online one that requires servers. A better comparison would be an Ebook that has its hosting server go down before you could download it locally, I guess. You bought a licence to play an online only game then you knew eventually it would die and knew that it would die as soon as the playerbase couldnt support it anymore
Also you signed the EULA so...
EULA means nothing in my country, try again. I love how Americans think it's the be all and end all, so much so it can trump consumer rights laws everywhere else.
>First. Fallacy argument
How does a CD with the game's contents on it differ from a book, or a downloaded game from a pdf? In both cases you have the physical contents present on a medium. In both cases you are not sold the content itself, just the rights to use it. The book's author isn't selling you the book itself, as in the right to use the text as you see fit. There's no difference.
>muh EULA
So if an EULA says I agree to a life of indentured servitude then I guess I'm a slave for life, nothing I can do about it.
It's illegal to sell defective goods in most civilized countries you turd worlder. It doesn't matter if drooling morons buy the defective goods, they remain defective.
Why are you buying online only games?
Why are you defending Ubisoft for stealing people's money Black person?
Never said I did. But I like the idea of being able to own my game. I have Quake and I can still play that with user created rooms. Why shouldn't I be able to do the same with other online games?
>buys online only game
>game literally only functions as a multiplayer experience
>company doesnt support its servers to infinity
>"money stolen"
how are you THIS moronic?
Imagine being so buckbroken by companies you can't imagine having a user host their own server for a game they own.
Quake servers would not survive this zoomie audience, holy shit.
Then host your own servers? Just shut up and do it moron.
The wii u/3ds service just died but you can still play, say, splatoon 1 on fan servers.
That's quite literally what this is for. So companies, at the end of an online game's life, allows that to happen. Releasing some information or code to have people host their own servers at the end of life instead of being beholden to the company's servers.
What about all the multiplayer games abandoned by the devs that still function to this day? I guess older devs were just magical wizards who did what no one could reasonable be expected to do today.
>Can still play 2001 AVP2 servers to this very day
Black person, did you play any vidya made before 2005?
>12 steps
i'll pass
>win lawsuit
>game companies are now forced to go back and make every DOS game compatible with every operating system and build
wow that sounds real feasible
>ad absurdum
No you dumb moron, they just have to make it accessible to get. Its on the customer to get it working.
That’s not how the law works you moronic Black personcattle
>It’s your fault for playing these games!
I don’t.
>Then why does it matter?!
Because I don’t like the practice.
>REEEEEE!
This isn't about killing Ubisoft. In fact them dying would be the worst possible outcome.
>NOOOOO YOU HAVE TO BE MY PERSONAL ARMY TO GET ME OUT OF MY BAD MONEY SPENDING HABITS!!11!! BIG GOBERMENTMAN HELP ME!!!11!!
Signing it to make you mad :^)
>Ganker is so contrarian that they start defending Ubisoft the moment normalgays start attacking it
>give the boomers in power (both sides) in Australia MORE incentive to ban/censor/restrict video games
what a great idea
>YOU’RE A COMMUNIST!
Ownership is not a communist ideal.
>YOU’RE AN AUTHORITARIAN!
Expanding consumer rights is not authoritarian.
>THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE!
This was the standard practice for games for many decades.
>WHY DO YOU EVEN PLAY THESE GAMES?!
I don’t.
>WHY CAN’T YOU JUST IGNORE IT?!
Because that’s how we got from horse armor to this point.
>UM… EURO! UH… THIRD WORLDER! /misc/! /leftypol/! REDDIT!
*effects meaningful change in the industry*
>Ownership is not a communist ideal.
Actually it is, people often mix property with ownership
I'm not a commie btw just someone who had the privilege of a decent education, also have enough intellectual honesty to learn about views I disagree with instead of making shit up
>intellectual honesty
So.... Why did ya'll buy online only game in the first place?
Because we thought it looked like fun, same as buying any other game?
So... *smacks lips* why d'y'll folks play games and ummm expect not to be have your money stoleN??
Where are all those homosexuals screaming about how much they love videogames and shit like Asmongoloid and Asmongoloid mini.Also, the amount of discord shazams boycotting this movement is insane. People try to stop you from getting robbed and the only thing you can do is troll. Get fricked
I'm starting to think people are complaining about this lawsuit just to troll and get (you)s
There'd be no way anyone would do this on Ganker... right?
anon i..there is an entire country that bootlicks greedy corpos.
Incoming Ganker seethe because you didn't give your (you) to a stellar blade or dragon's dogma bait thread instead
Dragon's Dogma 2 sucks.
I'm having a blast!
A gacha softcore porn dump thread died for this...
Holy shit a gamergate that can actually work instead of “vote with your wallet” copium.
Name ONE (1) game that can't work offline OR can't release dedicated server software at end of service
If a corporation can run the servers so can other people
The government defending your rights is one of the few things its actually supposed to do.
Ross is doing the lords work. All those against this are either literal morons or literal paid shills
This lawsuit should also extend to banning people in online games
If you make the game pay 2 play you shouldn't be able to completely take their access away unless you refund them
That's not how the world works
Explain please
I'm not even kidding I just want to understand the point of view of people who agree with this sort of practice
Like obviously if the player cheats there is fair grounds for taking their access away, but many companies will ban you under false pretenses e.g. wonky anticheat or arbitrary bullshit like pissing off the developers, and they have no appeal system in place, so you can arbitrarily get your product taken away from you without having done anything wrong and there's nothing you can do because muh EULA
This is one of the many abusive practices that wouldn't fly in any other industry, but video games operate under wild west rules because politicians and judges boomers who see it as childrens toys so they don't take it seriously
Mark my words, one of the biggest legal changes you will see in your lifetime is strong gaymer rights. Corporations will be held liable for every ban, every end of service, every bullshit.
I just assumed only cheaters get banned and people who are racist
Withholding server code at all should just be illegal. You are restricting access to a critical part of the software's functionally for no reason than to arbitrarily disable the product at a later date. The fricking definition of planned obsolesce.
/v/: get woke, go broke WORKS
also Ganker: I need Macron to force Ubisoft to do what I want so I can continue not playing their games
Get woke go broke took many many years to work and it isn’t perfect.
Going this route could get it done swiftly and effectively.
that's a funny way to admit that it doesn't work but ok
at least you acknowledge needing daddy government
>that it doesn't work but ok
Oh it doesnt work, so how did we get the steam refund policy then you moron?
get woke, go broke is how we got steam refunds?
christ dude my sped cousin has better reading comprehension
>the polsperg makes up shit when btfo
Many such cases
YOU VILL NOT OWN ZE GAMES
>mmorpgs now have to keep servers online forever or let players host their own
im moving to france just to riot
more like every game is going to be owned by its own llc and once it closes the game is gone until whomever "bought" the rights decides it's coming back.
MMORPG games are sold as monthly subscription rather than perpetual license. There's nothing wrong with it
this MOLDY motherfricker is fighting for YOUR consumer rights
>all these people unironically against this
I knew you morons were brain dead but holy frick
Paid shills, unironically.
buyer beware. adults don't need official underpants to protect them. you sound british.
>all these people unironically
There's no unirony
Everyone here is ironic and wants to bait you
trolls trolling trolls, bro
doesn't matter what trolls say on Ganker, ross WILL frick ubisoft's ass
Given I'm Australian and have seen exactly where government intervention into video games lead. I legally can not play many games and know exactly how difficult it is to fight from the other direction; if you think this shit is legally difficult when it's just a business try getting the government to overturn it's decision.
>yes it's true that I permanently lost access to my account with anime e-girl jpegs worth 10000$ but we can't let the commies regulate muh vidya
>Again demonstrating that the people for this are pedophiles
I thought it was lazy bait at first, but lol
Anon:
>buys GAAS
>this makes him NOT corporate bootlicker
Me:
>doesn't buy GASS
>somehow this makes ME the corporate bootlicker
Not my first choice, but if being called bootlicker is the price of not buying GASS games then so be it.
Anon, we're talking about forcing the boot to give us what we want with law
The continued ability to play games that you don't play
I don't have to actually use my set of Monopoly to still be able to say I've been wronged if Hasbo breaks into my house and tears up my board, wipes their asses with the 5-dollar notes and eats the hotels
>disingenuously comparing physical goods to digital services for the 1000th time
israelite
Holy shit I got called a israelite for NOT wanting corpos to be able to >money stolen everyone who bought a game
the government forcing you to behave in a certain way in order to sell products is draconian and israelited up the ass
>OMG the government is FORCING me to not sell shitty programs that break for everyone when I shut down my computer, this is DRACONIAN
Those poor corpos. Didn't you know it's israeli to stop giving them your money, goy?
>Anon
>Encourages people to take legal action against corporations
>You
>Derides people trying to take legal action against corporations.
Yeah you sound like a fricking shill.
>buy license to hunt for 60$
>season ends
>license is no longer valid and I have to buy The Hunt 2
>shit pants and cry
Huh, weird. This license tells me exactly how long the license lasts. So does every subscription service ever made. Performances like movies and theater tell you how long it lasts too. Its almost like a product going
>We reserve the right to rob you and a completely random time of our choosing
isn't the norm in every other industry on the planet.
> The courts are receiving complaints to get Online only games banned
how would this work.
This is moronic as the "games" objectively still function and objectively can still be used, albeit in reduced capacity
The reason sonic 06 didnt get sega sued for its release, which was one of the worlds first major titles being released blatantly unfinished with marketing that can only be described as a total con job of a lie, is because on technicality it is finished. With a start and an end. Its just "unpolished"
If you buy a live service game or whatever, and in a years time it flops and 'dies' chances are that you can still boot and play the game and thus this whole moronic idea is dead in the water, but get this, even if it doesnt and it NEEDS to be online to play, you probably agreed to the situation in the EULA you signed upon playing.
You dont own games anymore, you own game licences. There is no case.
EULAs don't mean shit
your argument is invalid
>You dont own games anymore, you own game licences
False anywhere outside of amerigolem muttland.
>EULA
The thing EU doesnt give a frick about? moron
Why do morons like you keep parroting the strength of EULA's like it's the legal equivalent of Goku? It doesn't mean jack shit if it's in direct contradiction to the laws of the country the product is sold in.
They are pajeet shills paid a pittance per post. Even private servers these days run damage and information control on social media, modern Ganker is an absolutely fricking cesspool of political and viral marketing.
which country is it against the law to end support for a game you made 10+ years ago
Bro we're talking about explicitly *making* it illegal to brick games like that
I'll make it simple for you shill. Answer directly, and concisely.
If you open up a game, and the EULA says "You have to rob a bank before you are allowed to play this", guess what happens if you rob a bank, dipshit?
France, the country that Ubisoft is from.
Yes this is 9 years ago, but by bringing the practice to light you can stop future games from exploiting people's ignorance on the issue.
This paired with the fact there's an offline mode hidden in the code, I hope Ubisoft gets worst case scenario'd.
>chances are that you can still boot and play the game
The entire point to this is games where you can't, dumbass.
Besides, getting some actual legislation to stop companies from fricking people who buy their games would be a little bit nice, right?
So, read Black person: It wont work. You have literally no legal case against them. You signed away your rights to the product. The product still works, even if its just a main menu.
You wont win anything.
Not like you morons will even consider it a win when people (mutts) react like this to such laws
I didn't, if what I signed is not deemed legal. I could write "I agree" on a wall somewhere and it would have no more legal power than the supposed "I agree" that I pressed. These things are not lawful or binding. Stop it already, you cretin. The product just letting you get to the main menu is not it "working". We can very clearly define when a videogame works and when it does not, you are a delusional shill that is losing his nerve.
>The product still works, even if its just a main menu.
I can still boot up the to start screen of my console so it's fine if Sony decide to make it unusable in every other way! Sure glad I spent hundreds of my hard earned cash on something I can't use!
Idiot.
>pays for consoles
Your own fault
Then make and host your own fan servers, moron.
>couldnt name 5 games that died one day after launch, as claimed by the other guy
>didnt even name 1
>just deflected with "muh EULA" arguments
KEK
You screech about the eula argument, but cannot argue against it
>buy car
>5 years later, Chevrolet breaks into your garage and removes the car's engine (you cannot install a replacement engine because all the connections are blocked with proprietary cryptography)
>"uhhh this is fine because you can still sit inside the car?????"
>You now have the power to kill Ubisoft and games as a service
I've never signed a petition before, but this is a matter more important than the fate of our planet.
GET IN homosexual WE’RE SAVING VIDEO GAMES
>You must be American if you
>*checks list*
>believe in honoring a contract you agreed too
you can really see the european GIBS ME DAT brain working in this thread
>include criminal clause in every contract you offer
>get called out on it
>IT'S IN THE CONTRACT JUST DON'T SIGN IT IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT
>What about all the people you tricked into signing it?
>IT DOESN'T COUNT IT DOESN'T COUNT IT DOESN'T COUNT I SHOULD BE ABLE TO SWINDLE AND CHEAT AND TRICK AND LIE, AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE SCHLOMO GOLDSTEIN SAVE MEEEEEEEEEEEE
have a nice day.
what law is the EULA breaking by not removing your temporary license?
>temporary license
You cannot retroactively take back a legally bought. Try again with less stupidity
>What law is the contract that says that they can terminate my access to the product at any time, for any reason and I have to just suck it up is the contract breaking
I don't know, selling me a thing that works?
Selling defective product that spontaneously disappear?
They could just sell it as a 10 years license to make it clear.
.... how do you get tricked into signing a contract?
Did you think you were signing a birthday card?
aww is the israelite upset
The contract that comes before any other contract is the Law, you agree to that contract when you do operations in a given country
If your EULA violates the law it is YOU who are not honoring a contract you agreed to
nah
Get mad corpo, you can't get people to sign away their rights
I know you are fricking moronic but being an illiterate c**t on top of it is too much, did you even read my post?
Check your fire, he's arguing in favor of the law of the country overriding moronic EULA's.
hey dumbass, national law trumps contract.
please state the law where its illegal to remove your temporary license to a video game
please show me where i agreed to this temporary license. No dont post eula because EU doesnt care about it moron
>purchase license
>"please tell me where I agreed to purchase a license"
lmao
this can only be a good thing, i cant believe some of the shit im reading here. why would someone care for a fricking corporations bottom line?
3rd world bot farms getting paid a penny each time they make a green text defending rat tactics of big companies (specifically Ubisoft of all companies if you can believe it)
honestly makes sense, pretending to be an idiot for free sounds exhausting
I have never played a live service game.
I have never purchased microtransactions.
I have never lost a game due to end of support.
You have the full power of my autism in this cause. Anything that harms this business model is something I will stand behind. AAA can go frick itself.
>buy online only games
>get what you fricking deserve
You love to see it
>Don’t buy the horse armor
>Industry goes to shit anyway
Well at least I stood around and did nothing when the time came :^)
How is horse armor affecting my games?
Oh wait, you only play AAA multislop games and think everyone else is just like you, don't you?
>DLC practices ruin 90% of the gaming market
>this doesn't affect me because I chose to only engage with the remaining 10%
ultra-extreme moron. I bet you're young enough to not know that once upon a time, AAA games were good
When? Most of the true classics were either Console games or small teams making indies, who then became so successful that they are now the publishers people are raging against.
AAA is only really a late 00s thing and games were already getting pretty terrible by then.
Those games wouldn’t exist and others would be in their place if something was actually done about their core strategy moron.
…And many that don’t.
So this is only a problem for AAA autists?
Good. Let them suffer.
>I’d rather have AAA players suffer than AAA studios suffer
You’re part of the problem.
Wew, some intense shitposting going on itt. I don't believe people would unironically defend ubishit. Neither do I believe ubishit would pay for shills here.
It's contrarianism, some people always need to play devil's advocate, else their little egos shatter
Eh, I'd bet Ubi would pay for people to shill here. Maybe not for this (yet) but they likely do pay marketers to shill their games on this board.
>buy license to laser tag park
>"Okay, but before you buy this license, just know it's temporary and we can revoke it at any time such as if we close down."
>Okay!
>Laser Tag Park closes down
>Flee country to Afghanistan to try and get their government to do something about it
lmao
its astounding how stupid you are and how nothing you posted are relevant
>its astounding how stupid you are and how nothing you posted are relevant
why are you posting pictures of yourself
The Laser Tag park still has clear business hours listed clearly that you could see when you paid
No games come with an expiration date
moron he said "closed down" not "closed for the day" Try reading for once. If the park closes down, what the frick makes you think youd still have access to it?
Consider this alternative example, a gym
You buy a membership, and as per contract doing so grants you access to all the equipment inside, unlimited access.
Gym isnt making enough money and closes down
To a normal person, this means your contract is now void, you obviously no longer have access to the equipment as the gym is now shut down
To these 'people' they think the gym owes you ALL that equipment and should either continue to run on magic money or sell copies of all the equipment to all of the subscribers so they can keep using them personally at the gyms cost.
When you buy a live online game, your ability to play it is void once it gets shut down, if you want to keep playing then make a fan server and pay for it yourself, a company obviously cant realistically keep a game running to infinity for you 20 people who want to keep playing
EG: Supreme commander, old boomer RTS I still play to this day, hosted by fans. Not only are the official servers kill, but the company itself is dead. THQ nordic IIRC.
I remember when games were sold as products, not services.
I'd argue that the gym should let people buy the equipment in that analogy, so then they can still continue to use it elsewhere. Isn't that the same as fan hosted games?
>demoralization attempt via false equivalence
>all these mental gymnastics just to defend the israeli pozz factories of ubislop
Data doesn't magically disappear from my hard drive.
Laser Tag Parks don't magically disappear when boarded up.
You're not even making sense
kys moron. You're not clever, just an annoying waste of oxygen
not a argument
I've been on this website for 15+ years and this post just made me realize that you don't see south park reaction images being posted nearly as frequently as you'd expect
It's lost relevancy and nowhere near as popular with zoomers as it was with millennials. It was far more common 10 years ago.
To be South Park hasn't been good in the past 10 years so there's that
>buy permanent-ticket to laser tag park
>Entire fricking laser tag park spawns in your back yard
>Basically works like magic
>"Okay, but before you buy this ticket, just know it's temporary and we can revoke it at any time such as if we close down."
>Okay!
>Laser Tag Park closes down
>Laser Tag Park staff break into your back yard and take the batteries out of the laser tag guns
>Batteries are proprietary and now you can't use the huge park sitting in your back yard, even though it doesn't cost the company money for you to use it
>Somehow you think this is an okay scenario
>We've gone from being pro freedom to defending unironic megacorps that would skin you alive if they could get away with it and sell all your organs to the highest bidder and their golems would defend their actions with "Well it was in the contract, shouldn't have said "I agree!"
You know, maybe a certain Austrian painter was right.
Hey incels, maybe just take a break, smoke some weed, have a wank and boot up Xbox Gamepass Ultimate. There are plenty of great titles to enjoy on there like Assassins Creed: Unity and Starfield. This all seems so tiring, I’m getting tired just thinking about it. Leave the laws to the lawmakers, go play some video games.
>An increasing number of videogames are designed to rely on a server the publisher controls in order for the game to function. This acts as a lifeline to the game. When the publisher decides to turn this off, it is essentially cutting off life support to the game, making it completely inoperable to all customers. Companies that do this often intentionally prevent people from 'repairing' the game also by withholding vital components. When this happens, the game is 'destroyed', as no one can ever operate it again.
Name one.
Based illiterate moron. Literally a game Ross has been going on about for ages now is an example of this, if you'd take five minutes to read the website FAQ.
>Ross
Who?
>'Gran Turismo Sport' published by Sony
>'Knockout City' published by Electronic Arts
>'Mega Man X DiVE' published by Capcom
>'Scrolls / Caller's Bane' published by Mojang AB
>'Duelyst' published by Bandai Namco Entertainment
Lmao.
>not knowing about mold man
have a nice day
>go to restaurant
>buy hamburger
>wait 10 years
>hamburger is rotten, can't be eaten anymore
>press charges
why do people do this shit
Not only do they press charges but they also win.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liebeck_v._McDonald%27s_Restaurants
Oh frick off. That lawsuit is not frivolous at all. Do Americans really think it is okay for mcdonalds to serve coffee at boiling temperatures, enough to cause second degree burns? The fact this is a widespread opinion among americans is the biggest evidence that corporate propaganda works
??? is coffee not supposed to be hot?
This might surprise you but no people don't usually drink coffee at literal boiling point, enough to cause SECOND DEGREE BURNS
Restaurants are expected to serve coffee at a reasonable temperature that won't endanger the client's life, and that can also be drunk immediately upon being served
It's supposed to be hot, but not so hot that it literally melts your skin off.
And this is not frivolous either. A videogame costs a lot more than a cup of coffee, but for some reason it is deemed acceptable to give people nothing in return for their money.
Are you literally moronic?
Coffee anywhere else in the world would be made with at tops 80C water, less if its to be drank quickly after purchase, hot, but not enough to cause, and you need to learn how to read
>cause SECOND DEGREE BURNS
They were serving the coffee well above a sensible temperature, with no rational reason for it to be that hot.
Besides coffee that hot will taste like shit because its burnt.
Well done proving you are a moron that fell for the propaganda
>go to restaurant
>buy hamburger
>you're still eating it
>waiter comes and takes it from your hands
>service has ended, go home goy
>go to restaurant at 2pm
>buy hamburger
>it's 10pm
>you're still eating the hamburger
>"a-anon we need to close down the restaurant for the day, you had enough time to eat your hamburger, could you please leave?"
>press charges
Good thing restaurants advertise on their door that they close at a specific time. Its almost like being told up front how long a service lasts is the norm instead of shilling it as a product and then randomly pulling the rug out later.
So if that is written in the EULA it's ok? Glad we agree close the thread boys
But it's not written in the eula when will they terminate the game and what should you do to get your money's worth out of the malfuncitoning product after it is terminated.
So your problem is that the EULA didn't give a bare minimum guarantee of until when the product would be supported, this is easily fixed with one small EULA update
My problem is that the company can steal my money and refuse compensation by selling me something that will break not due to physical wear and tear and reasonable mechanical failure but because they have decided that I should stop having access to it. Stop shilling.
You still have access to The Crew, it just doesn't have running servers.
>you still have access to it, it just doesn't work
Thank you for noticing, that's the problem here.
If the EULA said upfront when support would end that would at least be an improvement over absolutely fricking nothing and would give consumers a stronger hand to play when shit publishers kill the game earlier than expected.
Okay, now the EULA says somewhere that support will end in 3 years
At the 3 year mark they release an updated EULA saying "1 more year"
They do that until they want to close the game down
It's a stupid standard
Okay but if they fail to meet those three years, which many many online games do, now the consumer has a much easier time getting their money back. Its a significantly better standard than
>The company is legally allowed to frick you whenever and however they want
see
I am not defending the current wild west standard, I am just showing that you and the other anon are dumb for no reason other than intellectual sport. What I defend is exactly what OP's website states (to force the company to provide server software upon end of service)
>reeee but showcasing my own stupidity is futile, do you not have a life?
No
Now I bid my adieu
>I was merely pretending to be moronic.
Okay. You have a weird way of attacking a company by stating that even the most minute fricking standard is "unreasonable". But you do you.
Funny thing is, they would have to notify the users and have them agree again. What people do not realize in this case, you actually have legal grounds for a full refund if you decline.
>Okay, now the EULA says somewhere that support will end in 3 years
Then nobody would fricking buy the game.
name a single eula that says the day they will terminate the game you moron
None because that is a moronic standard that you two morons made up on the spot, but it could easily be arranged
I am obviously not even on Ubisoft's side but it is funny to see the mental loops stupid people do when they try to rub their two little neurons together
Its not you stupid frick, the reason EULA's get tossed is because they are full of stupidi jargon the average consumer cannot understand. You cannot LEGALESE as EULA. In Law there is a practice called unconscionability. Learn what it is you stupid frick
Oh my god you gigantic moron now you are just moving the golapost to saying "end of service is A-OK if the expected date is in the EULA AND if it is written in a language simple enough for the consumer to understand"
This is why we need lawyers, corporations can run loops around a stupid frick like you
>That is a moronic standard that literally every other service on the fricking planet except software manages to uphold.
>I am obviously not even on Ubisoft's side
he says while trying to argue for ubisoft
>go to restaurant thats on the verge of foreclosure
>buy burger
>remain eating the burger for weeks
>restaurant has to close its doors and shut down because its broke
>"WHAT THE FRICK I CANT GET ANY MORE SAUCE FOR MY BURGER NOW?! I PAID FOR THE BURGER WHERES MY SAUCE"
Ironically, a lot of businesses that close sell their assets so if they had any patties left in the freezer you may be able to get those and make your own burger 🙂 Just like how games companies can put out the info/capability for people to host their own servers.
You have to be a literal Zoomer to not remember when games were something you purchase and own.
This isn’t a radical piece of legislation, this is a reaction to a radical shift in industry practices, the digital equivalent of YOU VILL OWN NOZING UND YOU VILL BE HAPPY!
but you're not purchasing the game anymore, you're purchasing a license.
Incorrect.
>make my argument for me
>you signed the eula
I did, but it doesn't matter because it is not a legally binding agreement. Frick off shill.
saying incorrect doesn't change the fact you purchased a license. you don't own The Crew
Are you afraid?
>you don't own The Crew
I'm in a country where I don't need to own it to raise an issue about it with our government and consumer protection agencies. Does that anger you?
Ok Favela dweller
>It angers him
It is afraid.
>you don't own The Crew
I don't own the source code and the copyright/trademark for it. I own the perpetual license to play the goddamn game.
And it’s up to the courts to decide if that infringes upon our rights.
>Ganker hated big companies like ubisoft and EA for a long time
>Can actually frick them up by forcing them not to shut down their games and actually costing them more money/time to make sure they release server creation tools for all their games
>Instead half the thread are trolls and demoralizing """anons""" defending those companies for (You)s and the other half are anons taking the bait
Ganker somehow became worse than reddit.
Ever since the 2016 election any attempt at effecting real change is immediately swarmed like this.
It’s not an organic phenomena.
Why do you think the feds shut down all the popular altchans and let Ganker as it is? This place is a honeypot and also for marketers advertising their games.
Ownership is le bad prease think of the companies
The amount of corpo bootlickers here is insane.
but if ubisoft dies then anno dies
i like anno 🙁
Stay strong brothers, these corpos will get what's coming for them.
Ross Al Gaib!!!!!!!!!!!!
THE LINEAGE OF HOUSE GAMERGATE
DUKE OF OFFLINEACCESS
THE MOLDYATZ GAMERACH
EMPEROR OF THE KNOWN UNIVERSE
ROSS AL GAIB!
He just declared Jihad against Corpos. House Ubisoft is first. He is attacking 13 planets at the same time. Millions of shills and Shazambots will cry to their discord mods
Yes, I indeed for one can't wait for EVERY game to be SUBSCRIPTION game! Gaymers we are doing it!!
>all these golems ITT defending garbage practices like that
LMAO that slave mentality
>"stop killing games"
>SIGN THIS TO HELP ME KILL THESE GAME GENRES I HATE
Ill intentioned, pass.
>gaas is a genre
zoomers were a mistake
Yeah bro if the corpos all cross their arms and say 'Well if we cant israelite people we wont make these games at all!' like fricking babies, it will be Ross's fault and not the corpos
lmao, this thread is dogshit because all of you are replying to bait. focus you moronic Black folk, don't reply to bait.
I miss the IP counter.
The troony jannies certainly don't. Now they can frick over any thread they dislike.
Blizzard "killed" modding when reforged was released.
Blizzard still provides the official 1.27 installer on their Battle.net page.
yes please. it would be wonderful if they died and their catalog was sent to steam.
>law passes
>no more multiplayer games
good idea
Weird how so many multiplayer games still work without the dev's servers. Its almost like its a completely arbitrary requirement explicitly designed to frick you as a customer.
>We are making literal millions from online multiplayer games
>We now have to spend pennies on the dollar to ensure consumers can continue to play the game after we stop supporting it
>SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING, WE CAN'T MAKE MONEY ANYMORE!
>Corpos all tantrum and refuse to make new multiplayer games
>One guy makes a new multiplayer game without online-only bullshit
>Even with mass piracy, he still makes shitloads of profit with zero competition
That's literally what happened with Palworld. You can play the game on a pirated client and connect to official community servers or run your own dedicated servers. There is no reason not to do it. Everyone only stands to gain.
>everyone stops playing the game
>guy shuts down servers
>gets sued and goes bankrupt
>strawman and ad absurudm
This anon literally cannot conceive of a multiplayer game that doesn't need central servers, even when you explicitly specify it
I don't understand how so many moron think like that when Minecraft, the singular most popular game of the last decade, had support for personal servers
maybe they're really young kids who only ever played on those big scam servers filled with pay-2-win shit?
If only there was some kind of way to play a multiplayer game without the dev's servers. But then how can we expect a Ubisoft to be held the the same standard as indie games with a shoestring budget.
>law passes
>private servers comes back with all the old internet toxicity and porn sprays
Oof, this is yikes..
good. we already have plenty we could be playing, but players jump from game to game leaving death behind.
>zoomer is too dumb to know that there are many way to play multiplayer
No ''online'' multiplayer games. Your games can still have LAN where there is no need for a third party service to play multiplayer.
>what are private servers
>what is LAN
Yeah anon, what will we ever do if we don't have corporations controlling our servers and being ready to pull the plug at any time.
>first GW2 furries having a melty over GW3 (and thus their cosmetics becoming worthless)
>now GAAS shitters having a melty over one of their games getting shut down
It's been a good week.
You're not white if you defend corporations stripping your individual rights and hiding behind non-legal word salad to avoid having to face the consequences of their actions.
>your individual rights
>your
Right, you have no rights if you are an American, my bad.
>defend corporations stripping your individual rights and hiding behind non-legal word salad to avoid having to face the consequences of their actions.
This is the whitest thing you could possibly do. Get a job brownoid.
GAAS-shitter right are no more my right that gasha-shitter rights.
>being happy that thousands of dollars worth of car skins being flushed down the drain for no reason
Yep, it's definitely a cracka alright.
NEW THREAD
>NEW THREAD
NEW THREAD
>NEW THREAD
At the end of the day, you’re either:
A. Actively doing harm to the corporations that participate in this practice by participating in this campaign.
B. Actively helping the corporations who engage in this practice by disrupting the campaign.
C. Doing nothing.
If you truly don’t care, you should be C. Anyone engaging in opinion B. is effectively a shill, paid or not. This is not a complicated issue.
NYPA
Frick off back to
>buy a meal at restaurant
>eat it and leave
>decades later restaurant closes
>sue them claiming you are not finished with your meal
As accelerationist I will support this to kill off vidya faster, but I can't help but to wonder how many of you are actually thinking this would be good for industry.
>thinking this would be good for industry.
The vidya industry is pozzed up the gills, the sooner it dies the better.
>The courts are receiving complaints to get Online only games banned
Yes, lets get all games banned because someone didn't bother keeping a 2010 prequel running. If this passes nothing will change for us, but you will have fun being exiled from the outside world, eurotards.
Nothing for Canadians yet?