Why don't you play fighting games?
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Hey, fightan players, how about you give some convincing arguments on why non fighting players should care for this genre, instead?
>T. guy who doesnt give a shit about fighting games because he just doesnt give a shit
Because it's probably the greatest competitive genre in videogames right now. It's hard to explain but few things can replicate that feeling of you and another person giving their absolute best to win a match. It's chess, poker, math all combined into one. And if that's not enough, the genre is all about self-improvement and discipline, so you might even change your entire life perspective after you start playing it.
>the genre is all about self-improvement and discipline
No that sounds like addiction. Lots of fighting players are fat as frick or skinny. Only LTG is actually following that mantra but he is a manchild
So in a nutshell, I win=I get dopamine=Im happy. Is that correct?
>Only LTG is actually following that mantra
>known for quitting
It's ok anon they hated jesus too I get what your saying.
>"Uuuuhhh JuST MAkE IT SmasH"
kys
This is the only good reason
>known for quitting
Well to his defense he is still around streaming and playing fightans while getting those asses banned. Thats some dedication given the fact that he is a joke in FGC even though I think his salty persona is fabricated to some big extent
>How does one improves one's life?
The answer is simple but its easier said than done. You identify whats wrong with your life, you set your priorities and you trying your best to find a solution. You dont waste your time playing games or whatever
>The answer is simple but its easier said than done. You identify whats wrong with your life, you set your priorities and you trying your best to find a solution. You dont waste your time playing games or whatever
So I have to spend the entire 16 hours I have awaken during the day trying to find solutions to the problems in my life?
Depends on your problem. The bigger the problem, the more hours you need to drop into it. Also videogames. especially the addicting ones, tend to become a bad habit after a certain point so they turn into a problem as well.
No, you're simply wrong. It's ok to just admit it, you lost. Fighting games are as valid as any other hobby like playing the piano, reading classical literature or practicing a sport. Everyone needs those kind of things in their lives, life is not just about working on a career because society told you so. The only bad habit here is thinking hobbies are useless.
Im guessing you werent following the entire conversation I had with the anon
That was a counter argument to the argument that "fightans teach you discipline"
Of course I dont stand by the "work your ass off because Mr Shekelberg wants a new house for his daughter" logic and I do recognize the need of having hobbies. Im just saying (and to clarify my previous posts) that discipline comes from within and you dont need to play fightans as a "mojo" to keep yourself disciplined. If your life's problems are too big then you set your priorities and waste no time.
For example, lets say someone is getting evicted within a month. Should that guy say frick it and keep playing fightans? No. He should find a solution or an alternative ASAP. If his life is in a generally good spot, then he is allowed to have his hobbies. All Im saying that hobbies should be there to compliment your life, not taking first or even second place in one's life. This is why im standing to my point that videogames can be addictive and need some sort of self moderation to keep them in their place.
Sure, discipline comes from within but fighting games can be used as a tool to "unlock" your discipline. I agree with the rest of what you said though.
I don't care about competitive games.
Give me a fighting game that has a good single player mode. Last one I truly enjoyed was Soul Calibur 2
Try out Tobal 2 or MK Deception, both have noice single player
Never heard of Tobal, gonna take a look
Like I said, Soul Calibur 2 Weapon Master Mode
Tobal 2, specifically. There's a fan translation patch out there for it.
When the FRICK is Squeenix going to make Tobal 3? Is Dream Factory even a thing anymore?
What would a good singleplayer mode be according to you?
>What would a good singleplayer mode be according to you?
NTA, but I respect Soul Calibur because they seem to go the extra mile in delivering fun single player content. Every SP mode in a Calibur game feels like you're going on an adventure or an epic quest, giving you that same dopamine rush from playing a lootbox game or an RPG. Sometimes, it's so much fun, you forget that there is a fighting game attached to this. Only one that really matches this feeling is SFA3 World Tour - hoping SF6 version won't be ass.
I also like when fighting games deliver a good story. You know they don't have to, but when a developer makes you try to give a shit about a character you're going to punch, I commend them
BB used to be really good at this prior to CP. So was Tekken prior to 5. MK has bits and peices of this but it's mired in all the convoluted factions & military shootouts
I used to think KOF had good stories but then I grew up and realize they're just generic shonen shits.
I wonder if you think Fatal Fury's stories are generic shonen shit with some cheap family drama as well
>Give me a fighting game that has a good single player mode
Virtua Fighter 5 Ver. C
Xbox 360
It basically has a mode that emulates going to arcades and fighting different humanlike cpus that use their own set of tricks and fight very differently from the arcade cpu.
Was hella fun but gets old.
>It's chess, poker, math all combined into one.
>It's chess, poker, math all combined into one.
HAHAHAHAHAHA
>Because it's probably the greatest competitive genre
CSGO is better
>jankenpon with QWOP controls
>chess, poker, math all combined into one
>Because it's probably the greatest competitive genre in videogames right now.
Then why isn't there a single good recent fighting game?
Your choice is between end of life games like SFV/Tekken/DBFZ or actual trash like Strive/DNF/MBTL/KOFXV
KOFXV is the best fighting game released in the last 7 years or so.
Even without the matchmaking issues it's just getting patched too often, I want a game that just gets left the frick alone for a year or more where I can actually learn the game as it is
If I wanted to play a FOTM chasing game with constant balance changes I'd play League or something
You wanted to get stuck with Ralf/Vanessa/Terry meta for a year? Lmao.
Competitive games are for autistic homosexuals i just wanna have fun
>tennis is too competitive i prefer playing with no net or opponent
yeah thats really fun...
videogames are not sports
>Because it's probably the greatest competitive genre in videogames right now
I used to play FGs comp and lmao no they aren't.
das gon be sum gud pastuhs
you sound like you're in a cult
>Because it's probably the greatest competitive genre in videogames right now.
Then why are there so many blacks?
They don't own PCs. That is why they flock to fighting games.
WRONG
Emulated fgs and fightcade are a thing and Black folk are too dumb to know how to emulate
Okay, here are some potential arguments for non fighting players:
>Lots of fighting games(especially 2d) have great art style and animation.
>Also some of them have god tier soundtracks like Killer Instinct 2
>Character moveset can feel like solving puzzles in a form of button combinations and there are lots of fighting styles to experiment
>"Oh, this character is just like me! Imma stick with him"
>Some characters have good lore to support their existence and knowing this may make you appreciate them on another level
>Some fights can make you feel like those high stake fights you see in the movies
>Playing for fun with friends, given the fact that they are not salty b***hes, is always fun.
>Also, playing on a competitive level and training with a buddy is fun as well
>May unlock your competitive nature. Watch out for the salt tho
>FGC has some awesome and some ridiculous moments that are worth checking out
>Unlike a single player game that requires 20-100+ hours to finish it, fightans are flexible. They dont ask you to spend time daily and the average match can last from 1-10mins. Play 5 games in a row and you can satiate your gamer appetite or start playing an rpg and watch the time slipping away because you want to lvl up/what to know what happens next.
My main reason, other than the fact that it's just enjoyable to do cool moves and combos, is that they're social and intimate games. No other genre is quite the same in how it feels to play against another player, especially in a long set. You develop a dialogue together, both trying to read each other's patterns, decisions and rhythm.
And when does the sucking and fricking begin? Holy shit you guys sound like absolute gays
If whatever you're doing is between consenting adults, I won't judge.
It's a fun genre to get better at, and the community is fun. Going to events playing and hanging out is neat.
stop being a scrub
Because I don't enjoy them.
They're not fun. The attacks require you to waste time memorizing bs. The enemy is too fast. There is no pve progression/loot-collection.
Maybe Mario games are more your speed.
Because I don't wanna frick my body?
Variety has never been bigger in the genre right now.
Just because some people aren't disciplined, doesn't mean the genre isn't about that. A lot of priests are pedophiles, are you going to claim Christianity teaches pedophilia? No, because that doesn't even make sense.
>Variety has never been bigger in the genre right now
No arena fighters like power stone or war of the monsters, no crazy shit like fighters megamix or bloody roar, outside VF which hasnt had an iteration for the longest every fighting vidya has longwinded specials, sprites are gone, even MK ditched the 3D midway arenas was multiple styles for basic 2D plane, no developed side content like Konquest, nothing like virtual-on, etc.
>Variety has never been bigger in the genre right now
lol wut
>Variety has never been bigger in the genre right now.
modern fighting games are stale as frick and anything that isn't modern is nearly dead. stop pretending like you actually played these games when they have actual variety. right now you have SF, Tekken, or one of the dozen watered down Arc System Works games that all seem to play like each other in the sense that they are fricking boring and shallow compared to their glory days
>Just because some people aren't disciplined, doesn't mean the genre isn't about that
Dont confuse discipline with dedication. Most of fighting gamers are dedicated because they hate losing and enjoy the dopamine rush they get from victories. The only disciplined fighting pro gamer that I know of is Daigo. The rest are just more dedicated to this genre than the average gamer. This "discipline" aspect of the fighting games is just a game selling point and nothing more. Imagine needing a fricking videogame to teach you discipline IRL. If thats the case, when ww3 comes, my company of heroes/cod/commandos skills might be proven useful amirite?
Discipline comes from within your inner resolve and not because you are playing fightans, rts or whatever other shitty competitive game. In fact, if someone was truly "disciplined" via fightans, he would have dropped them within 1 hour of gameplay in order to focus on improving his life. Makes no sense.
>in order to focus on improving his life.
How does one improves one's life?
By improving your self slowly over time. Instead of eating garbage how about slowly choosing a healthy snack of junk food? Or instead of a video game read a bit of a self improvement book for 15 minutes? Create a habit where you don't get to play video games till you do 20 minutes of exercise. Make small changes I'm the direction you want to go. But first you need to know where you want to go. Id Consider asking yourself what lifestyle do you want and working backwards from there
>Variety has never been bigger in the genre right now
Ooooh what a liar.
lack of variety like before (eg arena fighters); the beautiful ones dropped sprites like kof or samsho; stories became increasingly moronic and characters devoid of meaning, while some aged (mitsurugi) others didnt (ivy and nina williams are 50yo); actual 3D is gone and is now just a variation of korean backdash "3D"; easy-to-pull-off longwinded specials midmatch; I miss itagaki; etc
because I only want to play tekken 3
they're too hard
hey fighting game players, why don't you train muay thai?
Why don't you play football?
i do, every few weeks i play sports with my friends at the park
the competition is fun
we also do arm wrestling competitions, it's healthy motivation to become stronger
video games are worthless compared to IRL competition, shit's for gays
comp gamers are just too scared to compete at literally anything IRL
I've actually took up boxing irl after maining Steve for years.
I wouldnt consider myself good enough to compete but its damn fun
Good for you Anon, i can definitely see how someone like Steve pic related might encourage you to get into boxing
I played Soul Calibur for years, then took up HEMA longsword classes because of it.
Now that I'm really into pro wrestling again, I want to take pro wrestling classes. We have a good one in town and a nice indie scene. I would love to combine these two things but time will tell.
I've said this before and I'll keep saying it. Make fighting games control like ryu, ken, terry in smash bros. the same smash bros controls, plus always facing your opponent. make it health based instead of ring out like smash, zoom in the camera more like normal fighting games, and turn down the floatiness a bit. there you go. now everyone can enjoy fighting games on any and all levels.
>Make fighting games control like ryu, ken, terry in smash bros.
How is their controls? I don't play Smash.
it's just normal smash bros stuff. you have an A button attack, plus up down left and right A attacks, and B attacks with also up down left and right B attacks. same with aerial attacks, but that's only for the A button. they also have motions for their signature moves to make them more powerful than just hitting the b button to do a hadouken. i think they only have 2 motion moves and that's it. it's incredibly simple but of course it takes time still to play on a higher level. it can be fun in a casual way is the most important part. if someone wipped out street fighter 10 that played like this at a get together, no one would start sighing and start making excuses to not wanna play.
You can hadoken by pressing the B button alone, but if you do the hadoken input (down,down-right,right + A) then you get a stronger hadoken (by 25%)
>Smash Bros controls
The recent Capcom Fighting Collection has baby input mode that does exactly that. You still have to cope with the actual motions though. Try to one-button a charge attack and the game hijacks your movement for a couple seconds.
no im talking about how people move and stuff too. i hate, HATE how when i try to play a fighting game i have zero free control over my character. they inch there way around and it feels like im fighting the controls. again making it like smash bros just slightly in that kind of way can make you actually just feel nice moving around the screen for once.
>plus always facing your opponent
Don't most fighting games auto-correct by default?
of course i think all do besides smash bros, but they made the actual fighting characters that are featured to have that mechanic which feels really good and i wish everyone else in smash did the same thing.
The problem is Smash as a platform fighter has very specific rule differences involving the way you play neutral (either from center stage, with or without platforms, recovery / ledge guarding, etc). There are plenty of simple input fighters out there that have Smash inputs if you're looking for them (Power Rangers BftG, DNF Duel, Phantom Breaker Omnia, Blade Strangers, Fantasy Strike, etc).
>doavatargay
Already did that with DNF duel, it is still filled with knowledge checks and noob killing bullshit. Just wait for Multiversus.
DNF
lololol only Nintendies think like this.
Go play your brain dead kiddy fighter instead.
Because I'm not black, asian, fat or a furry.
I do, I just don't bother to play them online because the ability to punch somebody IRL for playing like an ass is very important.
online FGs are for homosexuals and trannies
IRL FGs are for big dick chads
Every event I've been to has been dominated by gays, facts, and blacks, and that's all the way from EVO to random locals up and down the east/west coasts
facts are the worse, they never care about one's feelings
Correct . The facts that I have learned my my vast experience don't care about your reddit "Chad" feelings"
Yup, back when “zooning” spam was properly labeled as cheap bullshit, play to win mentally ruined fighting games
“Zoning”
KoF 98' is the best KoF
Because I don't enjoy the mechanics or way that they play, and there are other games I enjoy more that I would rather play.
I also don't play card games, or RTS, or VNs, or sports games - why don't we see more threads asking why those genres aren't more popular?
Because this is another bait thread from a legit homosexual, more than your usual Gankerermin homosexualry
>I also don't play card games, or RTS, or VNs, or sports games - why don't we see more threads asking why those genres aren't more popular?
Because with the exception of sports games, those genres actually require you to have an IQ that isn't in the double digits in order to actually enjoy them. Your average nu-/v/irgin is a moronic normalgay who can't enjoy anything that requires you to actually use your brain, which is why you see no threads for these types of genres.
>vs
>sports games
>need double digits to enjoy them
Reminder that double digit IQ is average tier at best and america has to lower the threshold compared to the past because americans are getting more moronic day by day
I don't play because the "FGC" is a bunch of smelly CHUDs who get way too heated over petty shit in their rated-T-for-Teens games.
I used to but they're too time consuming if you're not a NEET or a student with loads of free time
Here's one for you. I would like to play games with more than just one other friend at a time.
some allow more than 1v1. but I do miss arena fighters
Because they don't look like that anymore.
Too much autism required to play online and playing vs the cpu stops being fun very quickly
cope, you're just shit
just admit that you suck and you're too lazy to put in the effort to learn the fricking game, lmao
shitter, quit being a lazy b***h
I used to be when BBCF and UNIcl-r were current and I had a lot of fun but it doesn't really seem worth it anymore these days. UNI is dead, casual CF is fun but I don't really have the drive to git gud anymore and every fighting game released in the last 3 years has consistently let me down. Lumina is autocombo and RPS garbage, Strive has dumbed down gatlings, movement and combos. DBFZ, Granblue and DNF are moronic baby games and I guess KOFXV is alright? More of an anime guy myself.
why aren't you just playing +R or marvel games/vsav on FC
+R feels too janky and loose for me. I like the CP/Arcana Heart/P4A/UNI era of anime fightan where it doesn't feel like you're constantly fighting proration and exploiting the engine.
you say this but you can apply that very same logic to why fighting game players hate mobas
>have to play with other people
>hate losing
You are correct but theres a catch. when i lose in a fighting game its my fault, but when i lose in a moba there is a 80% chance that it wasnt.
I do, I play Super Smash Bros Ultimate with my friend sometimes.
Because the game I loved and put years into began to dwindle until most of the people I enjoyed being with moved on.
Without the flow of fresh blood into the community, getting games ended up being a chore, and I haven't found anything else that clicked with me.
For me they're essentially a party game. Good fun with friends because nobody takes it seriously.
ITT: filtered shitters who need carried in team games can't handle 1v1's
t. butthurt shitter who is always deadweight on his team
>no u
actually no you
I know you are but what am I? :^)
Frame data ruined fighting games
Because i don't want to be associated with smelly gays, Blacks and furries.
Maybe try being less of a racist and homophobic then? It would do good for your health.
tf are you on about, hate is my fuel.
>you're shitter
>no you're shitter
What if I just don't like how it plays?
I don't like how limited the genera is, and I know people who do like it don't like "jank" in their already established genera. That doesn't mean I want streamlining but it's STILL hated by the majority, so I don't bother. Only time I do bother is when a friend of mine wants to play and it's always 100 percent of the time just them winning. Even IF i know how to play the game I just let them win. Give them a little struggle so they feel vindicated by it.
TL;DR I'm masochist who pretends to be a moron for friends so they feel good about themselves
because I played online a few times
And?
you should know the rest
I don't have a group of IRL friends that plays fighting games so my option is to then subject myself to a lobby of people who have done nothing but grind X fighting game in fightcade for 25 years. The moment you open fighting games to the internet the same handful of super hyper no life sleepless autismo savant bots ruin them for all normal people, there's just no way around it. It is the very nature of a competitive game genre with a skill ceiling as high as fighting games. You're gonna tell me to get good, skill issue, blah blah blah and whatever you're right but its why you have no one to play with and you're making this thread. There ya go.
The moment a fighting game is online you're only fighting the most extreme imaginable sweat beasts.
>muh match making
You smurf in every game you play.
when this is what the "fgc" is, why should anyone bother
Why don't you get better and beat those darn trannies you hate so much then?
>playing anime fightans just to beat trannies
>virtually only
Powerful logic from the average FGC homosexual
>virtually only
Do you mean you want to beat em up IRL or something anon?
Are you that dumb or pretending to be moronic because you are one?
That is just the anime scene. Stick with SF and Tekken to avoid them
>Who is Ricki Ortiz?
I don't think Ricki even plays fighting games anymore
ricki hasnt been relevant for the past what? 6 years?
I find it funny how the FGC routinely shits on Smash Bros and yet Melee has held a fanbase for far longer than any other fighting game
I've only ever played 2d fighting games at an arcade (SF/Tekken) or because they have characters I already know and like (DBFighterz, Melty Blood)
It's hard to devote time to them because I'd rather spend that time just playing other games or practicing something more useful
>yet Melee has held a fanbase for far longer than any other fighting game
Plenty of people have been SF2 fans for ages and you can still fight good players on fightcade and at majors that feature it in side tournaments.
Or do you mean the fact that SSBM has their own majors? Do the big heads even play it anymore? Pretty sure most of them have moved on outside of hbox
Idek lol I don't actually play Melee I only hear about it some of my friends
Yeah they still have majors and stuff a noticeable fanbase. Those frickers literally still use CRTs and Gamecube controllers
Of course numbers matter you fricking moron
Smash Bros will always have fans because Nintendo characters sell the franchise hard but SF2 itself is a timeless classic that can be picked up and played by young and old generations alike and still be appreciated to this day for how motivational it was.
>Those frickers literally still use CRTs and Gamecube controllers
what do you think SF2 tournaments are being ran on, you moron?
Yeah, how many people actually go to SF2 tournaments compared to Melee ones
No point arguing with you, you're evidently having a melty because I offended you by stating how popular smash is in comparison to 2d fighting games, and will probably always be
What an actual moron.
>no arguement
still got tears in your eyes? seething fgc homosexual
>having a melty
i called you moronic because every post you make just proves how dumb you actually are, but keep going, it's pretty funny watching you double down on your moronation
>nooooo the size of the the fanbase of my competitive multiplayer game doesn't matter!
stay mad
>Melee has held a fanbase for far longer than any other fighting game
what does this even mean? ST still has a competitive scene and its a 30 year old game
It means Ninthings don't pay attention to fighting games. Do not humor them. Just load them all onto buses, weld the doors shut, and drive those buses into a local lake at top speed. Mash is not a fighting game.
SF2 and SF3 still regularly have tournaments, what are you talking about?
Stop responding to smashkiddies
I wanted to get into DBFZ but I can't get into learning combos and correct timings. Otherwise the game looks really fun
It's hard at the beginning but you will eventually get the hang of it if you keep practicing.
why do so many people on Ganker think you need to dump countless years into fighting games before you know how to play them? this is always the weirdest cope in these threads
Same reason why people pay to win, they're bad and refuse to accept it.
its just so weird to me that people say they don't have time for fighting games or that you have to no life them to get good and they'd rather "do something useful" and end up doing shit like binge watching anime for 8 hours straight, spending the entire day shitposting on Ganker, or grinding away at a game like monster hunter instead. if you aren't moronic its not that hard to get a basic understanding of how to play these games and you can get far enough to the point where you are having fun as long as you are critically thinking about what you are doing when you do play them
Grinding away at MH is like playing a fighting game though. You are rewarded with mastering both your weapon and a monster's moveset with faster clear times.
I know, and so is playing something like Devil May Cry, so it's weird when dudes talk about how much of a grind FGs are or they don't have time for them when games like MonHun and DMC are staples on Ganker and people will gush about how many hours they've put into these games or how cool DMC is because of the combo system
>implying those aren't vocal minorities where fans overlap with fighting games
At least among my fighting game friends I know most like character action games and MonHun.
My friends prefer MonHun since it's less mentally taxing for them to play daily compared to playing fighting games with strangers. They are wageslaves.
thats pretty fair, although i will say depending on the game and what character you play, you can kind of shut your brain off and just mindlessly zone someone out and feel pretty good doing so after a hard day of being a wagie.
I actually got into FGs through playing a lot of DMC and just wanting to use those fun kinds of combos and sick movement against real people. shame that some people can't make that connection though
>wanting to use those fun kinds of combos and sick movement against real people
Same man same
I'm bad at doing combos but just playing casual and doing arcade mode to pull those moves are good enough for me. I miss the sprites.
man I love the old school KOF spritework. I know XIII is the one people really love to talk about, and visually it is great, but something about the older games just have so much charm and soul into them that its hard not to smile when I see footage of them. also the insane sound effects is so awesome
Yeah XVIII spritework looks beautiful but the choreographed moves are less dynamic and varied. Same goes for 3d animations. The sound effects and voicework in older games are too iconic and visceral.
>binge watching anime for 8 hours straight
I don't do that but I assure you its probably more fun
A few hundred hispanics on fightcade and a occasional tourney with like 20 people who've played the game for 20 years isn't a playerbase
And I'm not moving any goalpost, you were the one who mentioned numbers first because you already knew how pathetically small these scenes are
You don't need countless years if you have good guidance but going at it solo with no help will hinder your progress alot.
You oveeerestimate a beginner's ability to take in all the knowledge needed to be an intermediate player and apply it. Taking your time is fine but most new players are too impatient to grind their way to 50% win ratio.
It's just the classic competetive game OS where anyone better than you is nolife/neckbeard/sweaty or whatever the trendy term is nowadays.
In every FG with a population in the triple digits there are newbies and casuals playing online these days. Hell, I can open the +R main lobby right now and I bet there will be a few people with a 15% winrate who'd be happy to match with other newbies. But people who use that excuse aren't even at that level because they haven't really started.
yeah, its funny to see such a pure cope like this dude
who doesn't realize almost every fighting game under the sun will have new players coming into the game and half of the playerbase for these games in the first place are low level players who are just doing some basic combos that aren't even hard.
>why do so many people on Ganker think you need to dump countless years into fighting games before you know how to play them?
Because the genre has eaten itself down to the last bastion of autism and its true? The only people left in any online fighting game are the kind of people who make match up flow charts and use a hit box. Even new fighting games are instantly, wholly and completely inaccessible to new players within a week. You're stuck with the same ole crowd and its only getting smaller as your bottom rung continually rage quits as they have no one left to smurf on.
Most people online in FGs are shit. You're just even more shit. It's not hard to rise above that level.
I don't like playing FG on keyboard or controller and I don't want to spend money on a stick/hitbox solely for a single genre. I also don't want to spend time learning and practicing the mechanics for dozens of hours before I start to enjoy the game when I can just play other stuff that's fun from the start.
If I had a friend that was into fighting games or there was an arcade near me I'd consider it but neither is the case right now.
Sticks can also be used for Tetris, Shmups, platformers, metroidvanias and other arcade games.
But you don't really "need" a stick to play those games. I play all those games just fine with either a keyboard or a controller.
I'd also have to unnecessarily relearn my muscle memory for those games if I wanted to play it with a stick.
I love Tekken but I don't like long combos. I'd play a fighting game with less long combos.
because the skill and memorization floor to even be able to play them at a basic level without button mashing is so high, and if it was simplified or removed it would take away everything that you existing players love about the genre
The only ones I tried to git gud at were blazblu and tekken
Tekkens giant command lists filter me, and blazblues million million mechanics that then change for every single character filter me
I'm too noob and get angry fast.
>shitty internet setup
>nobody local to play with
>dlc monetization as standard
Those are low tier shit wtf how can you even compared them with
This sums it up pretty well. I've played every major fighting franchise in existence, I just don't find them entertaining.
>Want to play certain fighting game
>look up tier list
>without exception, all my favorite characters (usually grapplers and slow/strong types) are near, if not rock bottom tier
>not just low, or mostly pretty equal to mids outside of minor skill differences, but genuinely bottom fricking tier and apparently so shit by discussion online even in casual matches that I would actively be gimping myself somewhat heavily by using them
>3rd strike, Q and Hugo
>Killer Instinct, General Ramm (actually this is kind of an exception since apparently even being bottom tier is fine since the game is EXTREMELY well balanced from what I've heard)
>jefferey in virtua fighter
>etc
I also dislike anime fighter style games and similar stuff like skullgirls so even if potemkin is good in strive don't wanna play that shit
>inb4 someone posts random gifs or vids of people owning with those characters.
Not saying you can't, but it's an uphill battle with a bunch of grapplers and slow characters in older games (hell, I think even tekken 7 had some really slow monsterous looking dude that was utter shit or whatever). I don't like that idea of my chancing of winning being drastically lower because I chose a character I fricking liked, but I also don't wanna play as characters I don't like just because they are high tier
And yes I am an absolute homosexual thanks for noticing.
>muh favorite characters are low tier
Who gives a frick you absolute Black personhomosexual. I played Alex in SF3 and SFV (before they patched him all the way up) and I had fun. What's stopping you from doing the same?
The answer is to not look at tiers seriously unless you plan on playing at top 8 level.
Tiers lists are subjective and in constant change. Everyone thought Nagoriyuki was trash when Strive released, then Hotashi came along and proved people wrong, why don't you try and do the same with those characters?
the most pathetic post i've ever seen. Thanks for boosting my confidence on myself and good luck with life bro.
Tier lists matter but honestly most people who play against you know your character is considered shit most of the time so it's better to just approach the matter knowing they know that and just accepting it as a challenge.
Kind of cherry picking. Most titles have pretty cemented tier lists that matter a lot. Super rare to have a yoshi in SSBM type situation. Picking a character like 12 in third strike is gonna get you shit on no matter what due to just how absurdly bad he is. Same with a lot of bottom tiers in older fighters.
>>look up tier list
really?
exception, all my favorite characters (usually grapplers and slow/strong types) are near, if not rock bottom tier
And? I play Honda in SF V and Lei/Ganny is Tekken and I god damn love it.
I'm too reactive and bad at reading.
Can't connect my router directly to my computer. I'm one of those things called a Wifi Warrior. I can't play properly. I did play SFV but I'm on wifi..
fighting games are too hard to be enjoyable
you only enjoy the competitive nature of them, not the actual gameplay
i have never heard anybody say they enjoy throwing anti-airs and grab counters
fighting games are not games, they are validation machines for NEETs with no other positive reinforcement in their life
>YOU WIN
I'M NOT USED TO THIS
KYS
Try having actual irl frens and play with them
>he doesn't like cheating neutral with big sword swings and variable projectiles that change in speed and direction
>he doesn't like unlocking the 7th sword in Yoshitora's kit giving you a round win
>he doesn't like performing pretzel motion supers
>"You don't enjoy specific mechanics by their self and you only like the overall combat, how the moves flow together, and competitiveness"
Sounds like I enjoy the game
>Inb4 What are command grabs,
I'm saying that naming power rangers and dive kick as examples of variation in the genre when someone mentioned actual good, varied vidyas of yore like power stone and bloody roar is borderline moronic
I enjoy them but I'm bad and I don't want to practice
Its so funny that the whole fightgay community is just a handful of boomers now.
You're crazy if you believe that. Most of the popular and well known FGC members are boomers but fighting games somehow manage to be a genre that attracts the most zoomers out of them all, aside from maybe TPS.
some of the most prominent fighting game players across multiple different games right now are zoomers, what are you talking about dude.
Fighting games don't need matchmaking, they're not supposed to be about grinding ranked ladders
>oversaturated genre full of disposable games
>have to learn all the mechanics in each
>many characters to choose from, but you'll be mainly playing one, because each takes a long time to properly learn
>needs real players with a good connection to play properly
>requires you to be in a competitive mood, making it harder to just launch whenever
>uses actual characters in its gameplay, but the game world always consists of 2-2.5D boxes (I understand that most people don't give a shit about that, but to me it makes them feel empty in some way)
characters
I'll just keep playing rhythm games.
>>uses actual characters in its gameplay, but the game world always consists of 2-2.5D boxes (I understand that most people don't give a shit about that, but to me it makes them feel empty in some way)
>charge characters
jesus christ have a nice day
Charge characters are total shit, and you're a Black person.
But yeah, that second to last line is autistic and doesn't really mean anything. I just don't like being locked in 2 dimensions with little to no scrolling, applies to some other genres too.
you to be in a competitive mood, making it harder to just launch whenever
this one, i try to play Strive and SFV on a daily basis but losing or getting demoted to floor 8 or super silver is so demoralizing after labbing, if it wasn't for my attachment to the characters i would've dropped the genre a while ago
You need to change your focus. Don't care about rank and find an aspect of your game you can improve on. Work entirely on improving that aspect.
they cost too much for what they offer me
What would make you buy them?
not much except for IP
i didn't buy kof or dnf for example but I'd buy a marvel, dc, or shonen jump fighting game
SF6 may be my only full price game purchase of next year
looking for fighting game with no combos(or only small combos) and no motion inputs
Why
combos are not interactive and I don't value execution that much
Fantasy Strike.
is Fantasy Strike good? reviews look bad and Sirlin has said some weird shit about design
It's a fine starter game. You don't even have to worry about blocking low. The only thing really weird about it is that the counter to throwing is do nothing and don't move.
Samurai Shodown V Special on Fightcade.
The only good time to start playing a fighting game is when they're new so right now is a really bad time to get started.
but DNF Duel just dropped, has easy controls and a block button. why aren't you playing that?
Because it's a fricking joke game
sounds perfect for someone moronic enough to think you can only get good at the start of a games lifespan
>to think you can only get good at the start of a games lifespan
It's not about being able to get good, it's about it being less fun because the games are solved already. The most fun time of any fighting game is the initial chaos where nobody really knows anything and everyone's part of the discovery process. If you picked up Strive today (not that I would know why you would do that), you'd just be going through the motions other people have laid out for you.
>you'd just be going through the motions other people have laid out for you
so why is this a bad thing? things are already figured out so you don't have to time dump into the games to get an actual footing in the game and can jump right to where everyone else is already at in the game in terms of tech found/combos/optimal things.
>40 quid
>"mixed" reviews
lol no
I play fighters but I don't do the whole autistic practice(frames and combos), I just rely on my reflexes and fast thinking.
King shit.
The dead angle, doesn't bait it. Gets caught low again, hastoburstimmediately
>FULL METER THOUGH, FULL METER
>HE'S GONNA HAVT-USE-OHHECANT-NO BURST!
So smart!
>NO BURST! OH MY-
SO SMART!
>-GOD! GENIUS!
So smart! He couldn't burst because of the super!
...
BUT WOSHIGE THINKS IT'S OVER!!
>FRICKTHARGAI [unintelligible]
GETASSFOUND [unintelligible]
>WHAT A START
ANDOGAWADOESAAKJH
>WHAT A START!
HE TOOK OFF 65%!
>OH MY GOD
WOSHIGE NOOOOOOOOOO!
>WOSHIGE NOT LIKE THIS! WHAT ARE YOU STANDING
WHAT ARE YOU
>UP FOR!?
STANDING UP FOR!?
>WHY!? WHY!?
OHH MY GOD! WOSHIGE THOUGHT IT WAS _OVER_?? ANd stood up and Ogawa gave him NO REMORSE...
>THAT is, exactly what happeneds DO NOT celebrate t--POP OFF, POP OFF
OH my GOD...
>Take it in. Flex on him.
UNbelievable. Woshige is gonna be DREAMING about that tonight. Oho my God...
>Boy did you think these were button checks?
Wow, you know when he stood up-
>*cough*
-I thought alri-
>*cough* *cough*
-ght he's just real quick gonna stand up and sit back down...
>yeah...
Unbelievable...
>Oh man
Unbelievable and Ogawa
>*chuckle*
*chuckle* recognized it immediately... went up with a complete unscaled combo did _sixty_ percent right off the bat and then hit him with the mix up into the instant dizzy.
>Oh dude
Wow.
>His back is broken.
Wow that round was over before Woshige even got back into the chair...
What was that podcast or whatever with that sports announcer where they did a comedy bit where they called Ogawa Michael or some shit and pretended they were him going home to a room full of Star Wars merchandise after this? That was so bizarre I'd love to see it again.
That sounds incredible and I wish I knew what you were talking about.
I've been trying to find it, but I can't, I can find some of the sports shows that talked about the Woshige vs. Ogawa incident, but not the one I'm thinking of. It's a shame, it was a great video.
>ogawa hits him with the training mode combo into stun
never fails to make me zozzle
where's this from?
oh my god
>install sfv
>try to learn basic hitconfirm
>get it right 1 in 30 times if i'm lucky
genre is too hard
Dude, it needs fricking practice. You fricking zoomers wanna get good at everything after only 30 minutes of playing, that's not how it works and this applies not only to fighting games but to everything in life as well.
i've been playing fighting games for roughly 1k hours though
That's still below the level of asians grinding to enter college/unis. Play smart not play more.
i really don't think i should need to grind it like a job just to do some basic inputs
it's just a hit confirm, not some super long combo with 1f links or whatever
the problem isn't the game, the problem is you being moronic
>practice
>move doesn't come out, you did it too fast
>move comes out but doesn't combo, you did it too slow
>practice to find the middle ground
they literally made the buffer window in SFV so huge that you can mash the attacks and still get a combo after everyone had a big issue with how strict the buffer was in SF4 and how link reliant the game was. why is it so hard for you guys to use your head? you can play an hour a day for a week and nail multiple combos if you actually think about what you are doing when you enter training mode. if you think playing for an hour a day is a "grind" i don't know what to tell you, maybe drop video game entirely
Are you messing up the link or the special move
the dragon punch after 2 lights
i can't even get it to come out most of the time
That can be tough. Holding forward while doing the lights then doing a hadouken may help.
i'll give this a shot, thanks for the advice
i started with sf4 and had a much better time funwise
did some pretty difficult combos with e.ryu in that game, long ones, so i understand the concept of how to utilize training mode properly, believe me
but i never really used hitconfirms at all
you got a point about me being moronic, but if it's too hard for me, then it certainly is too hard for the average joe
idk man, Evil Ryu has the hardest combos in SF4 out of every character in the game, if you can do his combos when they're 10x harder over anything you'd find in SFV, i gotta call bullshit.
Gen is harder than him.
his long combos featuring 1f links felt natural albeit difficult, they were possible for me
but this simple combo somehow completely fries either my fingers or my brain, or both
i just tried what the other anon recommended and got it after just 3 tries this time, let's see if this is a consistent thing and not just a fluke
who are you playing? to be fair two light attacks into dp is kind of tricky, you'd be much better off playing someone, or doing a combo, that is more in the style of SFV, as in they revolve around medium punches. try doing some cammy or karin links and see how you feel about that, or if you're playing a shoto like ryu try standing mp > standing mp > tatsu, and make sure to turn on random block obviously. his advice about holding forward also applies to combos where you need to do a crouching normal into dp, you just hold downforward instead and let go into qcf to get a dp
i felt like picking up kolin, and the confirm isn't technically a dp but the same motion, its her volume 2 trial #1
when sfv came out i already played up to almost platinum with laura, but needless to say i was using her mixups and not really relying on any solid play that required precision input like said hit confirm
use shortcuts. SF5 has moronic leniency so shit like 323 is recognized as a valid DP input
No longer fun, now about autistic shit like excel spreadsheets, analysis and frame data.
Which characters in SFV are both good and beginner friendly?
cummy
Luke, Ryu. Ken, Cammy, Ed
Ryu, Ken, Akuma
Ed
Nash
Luke
>Which character should I play in Luke Fighter V?
I wonder
because they are only fun if you are playing against people who are in the same room and who dont smell
i do not know such people
Are there smelly people in the room with you right now?
no its just me gaben
I play with my GF every weekend in bed while cuddling :3
i bet she smells like sweat and fermented semen
Is that Cham Cham on the background?
>proceeds to mog half of the people in this thread
That dog has been autistically grinding that input for thousands of hours, no other explanation.
I play DNF Duel
when more easy input games come out Ill be playing more fighters
but for now this is the only traditional fighter im willing to play
They are fun with friends who are equally unskilled
But I am.not learning bullshot combos etc for competitive play
The same reason I don't play FPSs anymore. I am too old and slow to be good at it anymore. It will happen to you too.
Fighting games have an old as frick playerbase.
homie, Daigo is 41, Cristiano Ronaldo is 37, Roger Federer is 40, Lebron James is 37 and they all still playing at the highest level. Shut the frick up, you're just a loser making up excuses.
>Cristiano Ronaldo is 37, Roger Federer is 40, Lebron James is 37
We're talking about something that requires actual skill and reflexes here, any moron can handle some normalgay sport, gaming is on an entirely different level.
Sako is 43 and he always picks the most technical characters in every fighting game he plays.
you say this but Alex Valle got top 8 at the last EVO for SamSho and hes like mid 40s and that game is straight up nothing but reactions at the highest level
Average retirement age for soccer, tennis and basketball are 35, 27 and 34 respectively. Esports pros current average retirement age is around the mid-20s. Sure there are top competitors who can still hang into their late 30s or even their 40s but everyone is fighting against age by their mid twenties.
Fricking loser.
Because you spend 100+ hours in training mode, only to be rolled by some broken bullshit once you enter ranked
That's a hacker.
Git gud scrub or go play smash
FPS is better
FPS is always just the same shit, it's the Souls of competitive games.
Fighters are the same shit. FPS games have different maps, vehicles and multiple enemies.
>Fighters are the same shit
Not really. There's a reason people specifically use the term fightans, anime fightans and platformers/party games in their posts
fighting game player here
I have a number of reasons I've gathered from talking and watching friends play and seeing complaints on the internet
>competitive gaming isnt enjoyed by everyone (I myself enjoy fighting games on a more casual level despite labbing and being decent at most of them), so most people dont really care about the hardcore ELO bullshit
>on the above, having only yourself to blame is a really hard pill to swallow for a lot of people
>and still on the above, other games have metrics like Scores or K/D to help you easily gauge performance, while in fighting games you just have to watch replays and note "yeah I shoudnt do that" like thats gonna help you when you have to guess a 4 way mixup
>most people have a wrong impression of what the fundamental mechanics tend to be (I NEED TO LEARN THE COMBOS before learning how to block low and high)
>Season passes for characters and DLC customs suck
>no progression besides cosmetics maybe if you're lucky
>people get mad salty online
>most people will take a while before they can do moves used in many combos like microdashes, jump cancels and multiple special cancels. Imagine telling a beginner to learn kara cancels
>learning matchups is not a concept most beginners will be used to since in other games you have time to learn how the enemy plays before you get your shit kicked in without needing to know frame data or having on the fly knowledge checks
>frame data in general.
>some fighting games have garbage netcode, only recently we've been getting rollback on popular titles
and most importantly, of all of them
>PLAYING ON PAD FRICKING SUCKS SO FRICKING BAD, and most controllers do stuff like eat dpad inputs or press a direction on a slight push (I am looking directly at my Dualsense controller), besides making your fingers fricking hurt like hell
so yeah, there's a lot of reason on why someone woudnt want to play fightans if they're new, but I try to welcome them whenever I can, because I know they can be fun!
What game is that?
tail concerto by cyberconnect 2 but its not really relevant to the conversation
its CC2's first game and its pretty shit but kinda cute
check out fuga melodies of steel for a better game in the series
to me its because there's nothing to gain if you lose and another mountain to climb if you win
we all know that humans perceive loss as more important than winning so when people lose a match and thats all they get they feel like shit. It's not really a good thing.
Other games solved this by letting players have progression on their profile or characters by unlocking things during matches by completing in-game objectives, so even if you lose the match, you still gain things by being good at the game individually, but you cant really do that in fighting games (maybe?)
A lot of fighting games, specially those with ELO systems, feel like a binary win/lose scenario with absolutely no variation so even if you're genuinely improving, unless you start to see the wins stack up quicker, you'll feel like you're stuck getting curbstomped
I like the tower idea in guilty gear strive because it lets players stay on their recommended level or try out against harder opponents if they wish, unfortunately guilty gear strive's actual tower sucks and isnt a good implementation of that idea IMO and also Strive is kinda mid I have like 150 hours on it and it still feels like I'm fluking despite being quite competent
here, this video is really good
Fightans are fun but to a lot of spoiled players that come with the younger generations not winning a match is the deal breaker for them and not about learning mechanics, getting feedback with your opponents, improving your skills and pulling satisfying combos. Just not winning can make a simple Black person ragequit. Granted, some anime fightans have so much bullshit I don't blame anyone for getting mad at them.
When is CC2 going to make a fighting game based on the Little Tail Bronx world? I feel they could make a killing with that.
What game is this?
Its just an animation
aw shame.
I never really played them as a kid, arcades in the UK were mainly shooting or driving games when I was growing up, there was never a FGC that formed in them (overall I think fighting games as a whole never really formed a community in the UK as much as they did in America)
as a result, thing like motions seem alien to me and I can't do them consistently, nor did I ever learn how to create combos in fighting games, these are the 2 bread-and-butter parts of fighting games that are considered basics, yet they elude me, and so I can pass at an amateur level against other people who don't play them much, but as soon as I go up against someone with ANY experience I get stomped so hard that it's just not fun to play, as in I'm not even learning from the experience because I'm getting combo'd so hard that I feel like I can barely even move, and I don't have the desire to spend hours of "lab time" figuring this stuff out so that I can get my shit pushed in SLIGHTLY less
on the plus side I'm a cracking shot with a pistol thanks to Time Crisis, House of the Dead, and Vampire Night
I've played a lot of fighting games and 3rd strike is still the best one
Fighting games allow me to look down on your little insects. SHowcasing all of your bad habits, showing how every match you simply aren't trying to win and yet you still ask "how do I get good" when you're not even trying to adapt to the stuff happening on screen.
- You jump
- You get anti air'd
Now guess what you'll do next?
A: Jump again and pretend that anti air never happened.
And then you'll ask "Anon, how do I improve?" You will never improve if you can even see that jumping is a bad thing. You sit around talking about Z-motions when the newer fighting games basically removed them so that (You) can focus on other areas of improvement and you still suck. I hate that newer fighting games are cattering to low IQ tards and I want 1(ONE) hardcore highspeed anime fighter like Blazblue or older GuiltyGear to release today.
k
This is the real reason why the genre doesn't have enough players.
I don't like playing against online people because it's soulless and I don't have anyone near me to play with.
This
Online fighting games are for bugpeople, which is why they're so good at them.
Super Smash Brothers had the right idea but shitters had to take it online and competitive and drain the soul right out.
>I don't like playing against online people because it's soulless
Huh? Wtf?
There's no interaction between people. It's all serious all the time.
If you're with a friend sitting right there, you can dick around and experiment and actually get good at the game.
But when you play online, you have to use the strat that someone else says is the best strat or you lose.
You don't learn anything but a flowchart.
You don't learn fundamentals.
You don't learn mechanics.
You just play like someone else and forgo all soul.
Start making online friends then? Discord exists you know?
>make online friends via discord
this is why the white race is dying
The hell are you on about moron you can do either of those things on or offline. Fricking around, trying and learning shit in these games can be fun in either situation why do morons treat online like it's the fricking devil regardless of genre here
because gaming declined when online play was introduced.
I never got the hang of pulling off combos.
IT'S.
FRICKING.
PRACTICE.
practice is lame
>enjoy type lumina
>want to play the old melty
>cant bind both d-pad and analog, you have to choose one or the other
i hate this
Are you playing it on Steam? Most people use the caster since it has rollback.
im using the community version
Wait you use the dpad and the analog stick? how does that work?
dpad for movement/command normals and the analog for specials, my thumbs are too fat to do specials on the dpad
frick dude might as well just get a stick or hitbox at that point
idk because im not an autistic moron?
You can play them with friends for fun
anyone up for aacc?
>anyone up for -ACK!
i might make a lobby in the general later
if you're still around, i'm down for some matches
Not him but I'm down. I'm not very good though
no problem. lobby code is 6055
lobby died or some weird shit. new code is 4193 if you still want to play
they aren't easy
lack of single player mode
lack of classic mode from: tekken 2, tekken 3 and soulblade and soulcalibur
and the list go on : tema battle mode, survival mode, edge master mode, tekken arcade force
But most have arcade mode and story mode with stuff to unlock for single players.
That is not enough.
That is enough.
because my gf plays them and they look boring and repetitive
>Razer Panthera
>Hitbox
>Hori FC Octa
All these peripherals and I still can't stick to one of them
>buying multiple fightsticks when there is just 1(ONE) of (You)
You seem a bit impulsive anon
I've been playing fighting games for about a year now and I'm still in a permanent state of impulsive indecisiveness. I've only found a main in two games as well
Because you have to treat these games like a constant occupation. You have to go through the literal athlete mindset of doing it 24/7 to be even decent. I'm not a Black person on welfare smoking weed and neither I'm a neet doing the same. And if I ever decide to put this much time and dedication to something, fighting games would be by next to last pick.
I don't have the patience to learn combos. I might play them but on the lower and lower bottom ranks.
>have friends who are big time fightan players
>"hey lets play some <insert game>"
>they spend like an hour labbing their character
>finally start playing
>neutral is fine but the second i get hit i just get nailed by the same few sets of wombo combos
skullgirls in particular just turns into watching yourself getting combo-ed for an hour
The time I'd need to set aside to learn how to play well is time I'd rather spend on other things.
Because the fanbase for each game has too many trannies.
Then become good enough and defeat all those trannies you hate so much.
I don't like anyone in the Strive roster
So play a good game
Which one?
He's too bslow for me
+R or Rev 2 for example
Nago is the only Guilty Gear character I've ever liked.
>Every fighting game has comeback mechanics
I don't like being rewarded for losing or punished for winning
>Every fighting game releases with a pathetic playable roster then takes half a year + to release the people you want to play as DLC, then releasing a version of the game with all DLC to screw over anyone who supported the game, then may do DLC on that, then the next game is out so the game is dead
There is no good time to buy a fighting game without being screwed over by scummy practices
>Balance is almost always fricking terrible
I don't want to fight the same 5% of the cast every fricking round
>Good online and crossplay both aren't standard
Tsk
>As a result, fighting games are 90% dead within 2 weeks of release with only the sweatiest players who play 2% of the cast remaining
>Umineko
Overpriced poverty fighter but it does play unique (and badly) so I will give you that
>Million Arthur
He said now. Right now. This is 2 years old, dead and is just 'an examu game' and its not even as good as Nitroplus (which itself isn't even good)
>KoiHime
Absolute garbage and just plays like a really bad footsies fighter where everyone only has half a moveset
>Them's Herds
Generic air-combo fighter for furries
>Bunko
Generic air-combo fighter for console chads
>Dive Kick
Not a fighter
>Power rangers
Insanely imbalanced low-budget half-finished feeling but overall generic tag fighter
Almost this entire list can be summed up as 'dead air-dash game', the other two are 'dead trash'
Once i buy a hitbox and can cheat to win, I will
1. I don't want to spend even a minute of my life in training mode. I can play any other genre – FPS, racing, card games, you name it, against other players from the start just fine and have fun. Why are fightans supposed to be special and demand my time in order to not get bodied by some autistic Black person who spent 100 hours in a lab?
2. I will not look at move lists. If it's not obvious how to do a move, it might as well not exist.
>inb4 filtered, we don't casual ADHD zoomies like you anyway
Cope, enjoy your dying genre and having to sit on discord just to find someone to play against.
I find matches in ranked just fine
If you play 1 of like 3 games in the entire genre that have an online population of more than two digits, sure.
Tekken 7. Street fighter 4 and 5, granbule fantasy, blazblue central fiction. Guilty gear strive. Dnf duel. Kof15. Skullgirls.
Hell accent core +r and xrd I don't even wait on. It's takes longer to get onto a game of league. These are just the ones I've bounced around the last year that are still being played.
Don't forget mkx mk11 injustice 20, persona 4, under night, power rangers, doa6, soul caliber, killer instinct and yes super smash bros ultimate, brawhalla, multiverse, all star bra, rivals of aether
And if you consider it, lethal league blaze
*injustice 2
Dragon ball fighterz is kicking better than some rollback games. Don't count them out yet
kof15 is a bad game to use as an example but yeah otherwise all of those games take no time at all to find games.
Don't worry, you won't get placed high enough to face training monsters in newer fighting games.
Plus dnf duel and upcoming sf6 have easy inputs that you can easily figure out by just using them in match
No way a card game will be more obvious than a fighting game if you just hop in and play.
I feel like I'm the only person that can't play FPS and just have fun at the start. The view feels so fricking weird.
tried to get into fightan gaems so i can play with my 2 brothers, but nothing ever seems to click.
the only game that i could get anywhere close to beating them is Smash. used to be with Marth in the older games, but things really fell into place when i picked up Lil Mac
something about his speed, limited moves, miniscule combo game, grounded playstyle, and being able to trade hits with the super armor. KO punch is fun, but he honestly doesnt need it most times. it just sucks knowing he's so horribly gimped in certain ways.
don't know what to look for in other fighting games to get that Mac experience, but if there is i'd be willing to try it
uh yeah ever hear dof this little number called pinch out
does Punch Out count as a fighting game?
admittedly still have to play them all. they look like fun but they're not on any modern system atm are they?
I've played tons of fighting games but I can't even do simple combos. I'm good at mind games though. I can do 2-3 hit combos, leading into specials, but anything past that I suck.
I been playing SF since SFIV.
There are people in this world that have never experienced throwing a burst.
I've thrown Bursts a number of times but probably 90% of those times it was on accident.
Are fighting games the only genre with physical sales, that hasn't seen a major change in gameplay in nearly 30 years? FPS sandbox RPGs sports have evolved over the generations, but nothing about fighters has drastically changed after the 90s
because the whole genre is shit
>love game
>sequel is released
>gameplay is shit
>they turn it into ugly 3d/ugly artstyle
>my character is gone/half the cast is gone
>since "new=better" my game is now dead online
Pick a new character
no
Because they are playable for like 2 months after release. After that, they become Discord games, as most players get bored and move on.
Frick that.
You can hang around in fightcade for older games or play local
Sounds like you tried playing cross tag
Been training for 6 years, sparring for 5 - why don't YOU train a martial art anon?
I wanted to learn Kung Fu, but I wanna learn from an actual Chinese master and not some washed up American.
>training boxing actually gave me a better sense of footsies and range checking
>instantly bumped my Ed up a few notches
I wish there was Iaido close to where I live.
Guess you were born in the wrong country lmao
Then again some nips don't even join the kendo club or play their popular sports like baseball
I'm horribly weak and I can't seem to put on muscle. Even going out in the sun gives me a rash.
I'd like to avoid more brain damage than I already have.
I do but I don't like Street Fighter, Strive, MK11, or Tekken, so most of the time I spend playing is 5x less than the time I spend waiting. It happened with Granblue, with Lumina, with KOFXV, and it's gonna happen with DNF Duel too. And I will rarely find someone of my skill level on Fightcade or, god forbid, Discord servers, it's either I get my ass whooped and get too mad to figure out why, or I whoop someone's ass and I learn nothing.
Is there a way to play Tekken 3 online?
>"why don't you play figthing games"
>"I just don't like them"
>proceeds to become hostile and oblivious as to why nobody wants to spend time in their dead and hostile genre
I wonder why.
Yeah some just can't understand that most people play these games casually and don't give much into hype like the FGC monkeys and eceleb dickriders or don't want to be associated with the cancerous smash fanbase
i have put 70 hours into SFV and then quit. It was going pretty well actually, but i kind of lost interest due to how aimless it felt. can i keep improving and reach higher and higher skill levels as a climb through the levels? yes. but i will never, ever ever reach the same skill level as veterans with literal DECADES of experience playing fighting games like jwong, daigo, infiltration etc. so yeah, the whole thing started to felt a bit aimless after i've checked how the top tier players play the games whereas i have to grind training mode to not even play good, but get my fundies/combos down first.
While I enjoy climbing the ladder in some games. Most of the times it's best if you can get a a friend who is just as addicted as you are. So you both can just keep getting better against eachother
I made the bottom post, why the frick am I replying to a post that I didn't make.
If you are in my ip range, come over to the accounting office. Unless you are next door in the irs
My autistic discord buddies aren't interested in fighting games and are more into comfy slow paced math hammer games.
And that's fine. I like hanging out with them and I just look up wikis for what's good in these games and do that.
If I get into fighting games again, I want to get into locals. Online just doesn't do it after you've done locals.
I don't want to ruin my 70€ controller playing against some tryhards
I'm not wasting 60€ on a one year online subscription just to play one game
I don't like feeling helpless and lost at something/someone else's mercy in vidya and fightans require a lot of time in order to get an actual skill foothold. I'm way too busy with other games I want to play to autistically grind fighting games right now, even if I enjoy them as a concept.
I have shit wifi
The best excuse, but unironically
Good poster
Anyone miss really old school fighting games having much faster walkspeed and no dash
why do they make you dash not to have your feet glued to the floor now
>tfw I love fighting games so much that I have too many of them so never gitgud at any of them because when I sit down to play I switch between several
>steam wishlist is just even more fightanz I want to buy
Is it too late to start Strive? SFV had loads of low level players but there's a smaller pool of players in Strive and there's no skill based matchmaking either. Bad experience for new players?
it's not too late, the game is easy and the players suck outside of Celestial. cross play is still on its way and so are more DLC characters. the game can be kind of annoying though cause anyone can rob you once in a while
I just played DNF and had enough of that. Strive unironically looks more tame in comparison
Strive is a baby game without meter, once someone has 50% meter and knows how to use it though, shit can become real fricked up real fast. and once someone breaks the wall for bonus meter gain it's practically over. the Roman Cancel system is a double edged sword, it's the appeal of Strive because it allows for a lot of creativity and freedom in what you want to use it for but it's also what allows all the unfair bullshit of your opponent. you better not lose neutral in this game, which is easier said than done when everyone can block in the air and most chars have huge safe buttons to get in.
It's a fun game but i personally can't play this for as long and as seriously as other games because when i lose i feel like i got run down with some bullshit and when i win i don't feel satisfied either most of the time.
Im just trying to find something fun before SF6 to be honest. Kinda burned out of SFV so I'm taking a break.
i'd say Strive is a decent filler game while waiting for other things. it's fast to get into thanks to its easy combo routes and high damage. just do yourself a favor and pick a top tier. i've mostly played Millia and while she's fun, it's just not worth the headache to lose matches to monkeys because of one bad guess or a misinput
Majority of players suck ass. So you'll be fine
I don't wanna spend time practicing for vidya.
Hail to the King baby.
I used to play melty but now it makes me miserable every time I go online. Also no dedication to anything.
I'm too much of a shitter apparently. Every time I try an online fighter the first dozen or so matches are manageable but then I get pulverized from then on. I understand there's some sort of ranking system going on, but for me it feels like there is no in-between skill level of the player base. It's like the game feeds me a couple babies to kick around, determines I'm better than them, then immediately tosses me against giants instead of an opponent roughly equal to me
not having someone on your own skill level of fricking sucks
matchmaking is really imperfect since there's no way to gauge character matchups and player knowledge
if you ever find someone that's a good fight, you want to rematch them as much as possible but then youre both fricking up your MMR unless it's an even 50/50 winrate between you two
I spend more time in lab than I do online, and it doesn't help that I'm playing on a toaster. After a point of practicing dumb shit (PEWGF, Lee's B2 loops, the Kings's throws and then by the time I'm online my movement is shit.
Or if I fixate on movement, my frame knowledge is shit. Not filtered or done with Tekken, but definitely discouraged.
Just keep at it, learning most of tekken is getting cheesed by some random string some guy does because no good player would ever use it, and learning character gimmicks. Nothing wrong with practicing dumb stuff, I can't play kazuya for the life of me but I will land the triple electric combo. I genuinely suggest just going into practice matches and just trying to do the random shit you practiced. I would enter player matches and even if I dropped acid rain i'd still try to do it for the next punish. Even trying to do the stuff in a real match really helps, it's good to fixate on stuff in matches, thats the way you make it muscle memory.
See that line of thinking keeps me in the lab, I will frick up one of hundreds of moves on a whiff, and retry it again just to see if I can do it even if i'm not plus on frames. I'd rather hammer in the motions and muscle memory before looking like a goober to a sub-green Akuma throwing shit out.
3 God fists into a combo is something I get maybe 40/60 times, I know it's 2 frame perfect ones and one deep dash one, but I either drop frames or my inputs aren't fast enough. My current main hurdle is back 2 loops on Lee, into Mist Step iWS 2,4.
I used to be the same anon, I would lab longer than I'd play until I just bit the bullet and played online more. B2 loops aren't too bad, playing lee is almost like playing a rhythm game. Once you get the tempo of what rate you should do the B2s it a matter of adjusting to how shitty the opponent's internet is. The key to B2 mist step into iWS is to do it right as lee sways backwards, too fast and you get a standing move, too slow and you get a standing. b2 - miststep - back - neutral - ws24. The link is lenient, so its just getting the timing.
Excellent, bless anon.
You have to swallow your pride and play other players if you want to get better. Combo execution is good, but you can't learn how to play Tekken solely from practice mode.
That is very true and the matchmaking (if you set it correctly) isn't too bad. I'm just a homosexual when it comes to displaying my spaghetti, especially if I spent hours trying to perfect something. But my movement is ass and not playing actual humans is most likely a reason for that.
If anything iI wish I could friend more people at my level and just have regular skrims. (I might just go to /vg/ and see if people wanna grind characters they're interested in).
>none of my friends like fightanz
>no fightanz with decent netcode but Melee
Another vintage Ganker fighting game thread
It's not much fun without being decent to good at it and I can't get better without labbing and labbing is autistic and annoying. I'd rather play more guitar. Effort feels about similar and this feels more valuable.
because the fanbase is obnoxious dudebros
Reminder to ALWAYS learn the most optimal combo when trying a new game/new characters.
There's a popular myth spread around by good willed pedagogue, like Ceelow or Sajam , that for beginner in a new game combos are almost optional and that BnB can be replaced with a simple link of two normals, if this idea is being argued in good faith it's actually hurting a lot of beginner in their experience with a new game.
This idea comes from a false idea of what beginners are truly like, it fails to take into account that because beginners overstate the importance of combos some beginners are actually quite capable when it comes to dealing maximum damage and that an experimented player awareness and composure is required to follow these simple gameplans.
Add to that that fighting games at the low level tend to select overly agressive players and you've got a deadly wienertail for anyone foolish enough to believe that fundies will carry them through their scrub ranks.
Meaning that if you go looking for matches with this idea, you're in for a terrible time, you're going to have frustrating defeat upon frustrating defeat where you'll be completely outgunned and feel like wins are constantly slipping away.
Not only that but every aspect of your game will suffer, because you cannot dish out enough damage to scare anyone, your opponent will be emboldened in every part of the game, he'll rush you twice as hard, he's going to go for riskier play and eventually, because he learned how to deal maximum damage, reap bigger rewards.
Combos are the first thing you should learn when starting any fighting game, not learning them right away is one of the most detrimental thing you can do in your journey to learn the game.
good post
it depends on the game. this is true for something like Strive but some games have genuinely hard execution for optimal routes and telling a beginner that he has to learn this route immediatly will slow his progress by a lot and frustrate a lot of people to probably quit before they even started. you overestimate the average beginner's execution level. i think they should atleast attempt the optimal routes though and decide for themselves how far away they currently feel from being able to do those consistently and choose a route that fits their case
Of course it's all within a reasonable limits, no need to learn the most optimized Oro VT2 combos for instance and it's probably the same for Marvel or other games with 80 hits combos.
But so far, from personal experience this proved to be true in Tekken 7, SFV, SF3, DNF Duel, SoulCalibur 6 and Strive, i've seen this happen for me and for friends too.
When everyone is just mashing the game will tend to reward those who can mash the most damaging BnB and the player population evolve around that.
When i started playing SFV Bronze-Silver ranks were filled with Ken doing 400+ damage combos like it was nothing and they knew their blockstrings and their crossup to get there, losing to them was an extremely frustrating experience, it's only when i started using optimal BnB and punish that i started skyrocketing through those rank before finally plateauing and being able to play some neutral.
I don't know optimal combos in Strive and I've gotten to Celestial every month I've played.
I've been told that getting to Celestial would be the equivalent of getting to Ultra Silver or gold in SFV. Not trying to shit on anyone, but just trying to point out Strive's flawed ranked
Yeah, getting to Celestial in Strive is really easy, but it's still the highest rank you can get and I'm just saying it's something you can get to without learning optimal combos. That is in part because of how easy it is relative to other ranking systems, but I think in any game you can be an intermediate player without knowing optimal combos. If you want to get to the top you should learn them, but that's not something I think beginners need to worry about. I think beginners should just try combos until they hit a wall, you don't have to settle for the absolute easiest thing there is, but you also may find yourself never going fighting against others if you get it in your head you have to have the optimal combos down before you even start fighting others.
You need at least something doing 80% of the optimal one i'd say.
A beginner will have more fun practicing combos than getting flowcharted by a scrub doing max damages.
I'd say you just need something that does average damage and maybe gives good oki depending on the character and game. Usually you can find out what amount of damage can be expected out of a decent combo in a game, like in Blazblue I'd say so long as you know something that's getting you around 3000 damage your fine, even if you could be getting 4000+. It is true that it's more fun to learn combos than to fight against someone when you have no idea how to defend yourself, which you won't as a beginner, but for a lot of people I think it won't be much fun to keep grinding out a combo they're really struggling with, which is why I say it's best to just go until you hit a wall with what you feel you can learn at the moment. That's what I do when I start a new game anyway and it always works for me.
i get what you're saying and you are correct that damage is more important than a lot of people like beginners to believe. i'm not a SF player but from my short SFV experience i felt like beginner ranks in that game were especially filled with hardstuck scrubs that have perfected their flowchart way of playing. you can tell they're not actually good but they're really good at their one or two things they can do that lead to wins. once you shut those down they can't do shit anymore but losing to it is very frustrating indeed. it's also character depended, T7 is an easy combo game for the most part too but then you have cases like Eliza and her divekick combos that deal slightly more damage but are significantly more difficult and simply not worth going for as a beginner. it's kind of a balancing act, of weighing out the difficulty and damage of a combo. you don't need to be optimal as a beginner but you also don't wanna leave too much on the table
It depends. For example some high level players can switch between SF and KOF successfully thanks to their good knowledge of playing neutral and footsies even though the two franchises can be drastically different to play at high level. Mirror matches are very good to watch because of it.
High level players can play a lot of games just using simple combos and poke because of their experience, they already have extremely good fundies, a complete understanding of universal mechanics and especially the composure to spot and defend against easy stuff and figure it out.
A beginner with an overloaded mental stack cannot play like that, he's gonna frick up even the simplest defense at a higher rate and will panic more easily.
i'll start with tekken 8
then you should buy Tekken 7 for like 5 bucks and casually practice through it over the next year because most things will carry over.
>5 bucks
i would if it wasn't 40 euros for the fricking base game
and explain to me how characters work that i haven't bought. can i even fight dlc characters in multiplayer if i don't even own them?
i pirated 7 and pretty much know which ones i like the most and who'll be my mains, so do i even have to buy dlc stuff except the ones that i'll use?
>money issue
check g2a or key sellers
>the DLC thing
you can alter the steam data in your folder after going offline, then go back online with the DLC roster fully usable online with no fear of getting banned You don't have to pay for DLC.
what kind of magic is the dlc thing you guys are talking about and how is it not fixed by now?
wha tif i do that and they fix it, would i lose all the characters?
you should find a key for that cheap and you can unlock all DLC for free by dragging one folder into another (no, you don't get banned or VAC'd) if not just wait for a sale, it goes pretty low quite regularly.
You can fight against any character and on any stage regardless of if you own them or not but you can't lab them or obviously pick them yourself.
KoF is too fricking hard to start. Thats why XV is dead.
>playing Kekken
Tekkucks have you forgotten that time SonicFox, a NRS "pro" who was destroyed by everyone noteworthy in Jive or Strive, came into your game and wiggity washed a veteran with 25 years of Kazuya behind his back?
SonicFox consistently wins or places high in majors across multiple franchises, TMM doesn't even enter tournaments as far as i know. playing for a long time is not the same as playing competitively
SonicFox also faced Lil_Majin and took a substantial numbers of matches.
Meanwhile when he faced Smug, not even the best player in his area, he got washed 35-1
who?
Exactly a fricking nobody who plays NRS games.
did he play Kuni against Majin? maybe it was a matchup issue since she was relatively new and kinda gimmicky but that's just me guessing. as much of a cringe degen as Sonic is, he is respectable as a player and while he's not seen as a Tekken player, he's also not completly new to it and has the privilege of practicing with high level people at any point
>did he play Kuni
NAH, HIS ZAFINA LOST TO MAJIN'S 2 MONTH ASS KING!
Who's ass king
mine, thanks for asking.
>SonicFox
who
>forgotten
I don't keep up with e-sports, I unironically am a character/lore gay.
TMM is literally just a meme player. It would be like Sonicfox beating Mike Ross or LTG
I'm old and stopped playing Fighting Games more than 20 years ago, the last being Bushido Blade 1 for PSX.
I loved having Street Fighter 2 tournaments with my friends when I was in middle school though.
Fighting game players just want to use me to test whatever gimmick they've been grinding for the past 100 hours. Why would I subject myself to that when I can play co-op with non-compgays and share a communal dopamine hit and make friends with people who regularly bathe and enjoy other things I like. I can always spot fighting gays because they don't ever shut up about their mains and constantly feel the need to broadcast "why yes I do play fightan how could you tell". Shut the frick up about "links", and "unga bunga", and "I teched that". From the outside looking in, you're a scumbag with a power-fantasy who will do literally anything to get ahead (see: total israelite) that babyrages everytime without fail and is "never playing this shit game again" but then reinstalls it for the 50th time. Stop talking about Cammy and "muh heckin' chunners" and "Filia-lard" and shit like that. It's fricking annoying. Every friend-group has a fighting game player. Frick TekkeBlack folk, frick smashdiddlers, frick anime trannies, frick DBZspics, frick MKgays, frick all of you. Worse than touhou and essex posters, holy shit.
I've never understood co-op to be honest. Because if you suck, you let everyone down. Then your entire team is mad at you, you feel like shit for sucking ass, and it sucks. In a versus game, the only person you disappoint is yourself, maybe the opponent if they expected a challenge.
co-op communities generally have players with 1000's of hours helping noobs along the way. if a co-op player wins with a shit team it's way better than winning a 1v1.
Yeah but it still sucks ass. There's no rush for getting carried. You just feel "I got carried, frick". Maybe I'm just an egotist or something, but co-op doesn't give me any good feelings. Winning isn't satisfying because you had to rely on others to win most of the time. Losing isn't satisfying either way. The only thing that feels okay is carrying and winning. But in a versus game, it's just fun no matter what. Everything is in your own control. Even being outplayed doesn't necessarily feel bad.
Maybe I'm a sore loser, but there's nothing worse than a top player giving me BM in a 1v1. When you lose really badly in a 1v1 and they talk trash, or even worse when you almost win and they talk trash. super demoralizing imo
In co-op games againts CPU i dont thinl anyone cares if they clear or not. Unless is an mmorpg ofc. That shit is cursed.
I'm a dying cripple that will never be good at them and since I'm a perfectionist playing them is extremely saddening and frustrating as they are populated almost exclusively by teens high on autism meds that have better reflexes, bodies and think faster than you do.
ggs anon to say i was outclassed is an understatement ill get better soon
ggs. my advice would be look at roog gameplay, especially pressure cuz all you really did was buttons into unstaggered rekka
all you're doing is engage less often with the opponent due to your inability to play the game. and even then the difference from the fightan I play is usually a mere one extra touch.
sure you can rank up fast with that but you will have no gameplan. and honestly knowing how to beat button mashers is the first step in developing a good gameplan
At those levels you don't have to worry about "playing the game" because your opponent don't play it himself, trying to think about fundamentals here is like trying to play chess with a pidgeon and you're just gonna get overloaded.
In most fighting game low level is about punishing and optimal combos, nothing else, it's only when you reach a certain point that you can start thinking more about playing the game.
here's the thing: people cannot be random, even button mashers fall into patterns that you can discern and counterplay.
but you don't even need to use your brain because button mashers crumble against a decent flowchart.
I made someone rage quit in Blazblue today.
what did you spammed?
What characters?
I play Lambda and he played Kagura, it was very cathartic for me because I hate Kagura.
>Lambda
makes sense . its annoying to fight vs her
Everyody's annoying in that game.
I actually enjoy fighting games and usually buy one or two each console generation. Last gen, I really enjoyed Guilty Gear Xrd Rev. 2 and this gen, I'm playing KOF15.
That being said, I only play solo or with my small group of local friends, because I have never had the finger dexterity or reaction time to get the point where I can fight people online. The barrier of entry to get to that next level just requires more time of me than I'm willing to commit.
That's actually fair and good enough. As long as you can find the comfort zone to sink more time in either to have some fun with friends or to improve your skill then that is completely fine
Requires too much effort to memorize and pull off combos to be competitive, which is not a fun experience.
Tell me why I shouldn't terrorize Bronze ranks with grapplers. I'm waiting.
R.Mika and Laura are Gold ranks terrors.
In the bronze ranks Kage and Ken are the top dogs.
Zangief do not terrorize anyone at any rank lmao.
maybe i should take the grappler pill and start doing this too. never played one before
You're not terrorising anyone if you ain't smurfing
is Virtua Fighter 5 shit?
no, but there are better games to play
I only really liked For Honor, mostly due to the controls
>Why don't you play fighting games?
I'm white
so i watched some video that told me to generally stay in crouch block, and anti air DP if my opponent tries to jump at low rank ladder. but whenever i try to transition from crouch block to shoryuken, it either throws out a hadouken or it comes out way too late. do i keep training to actually do this accurately, or is it impossible and i misinterpreted what is said in the video? i use controller stick
You have to practice. Who are you playing because they probably have an easier anti-air you can use while you work on your dps.
ryu
i'm watching ceelows' ryu rookie to diamond series. i normally do crouching hard punch, but the second video tells me to transition to dp for AAs instead. but if it's possible to do, i will work on dp AAs, thanks.
Yeah it is just something that will take practice and you will frick it up in match at first. I would suggest recording the training mode dummy to randomly jump in between walking back and forth.
Are you using the alternate input? You can use DF,D,DF+p or 323 +p in anime terms.
Assuming you're talking about Jive, otherwise to avoid misinputing your CA or your Hadoken focus on doing the minimal numbers of move possible and having DF at the end of the input.
I don't know if that makes sense but it helped me.
I am not gonna drop money into something that is not fun to play
I am NOT here to fund your stupid fricking genre
Only black people play fighting games
And asians
And South Americans
euros play tekken the most
can confirm, am a euro black and i like tekken
>Why don't you play 1v1 RTS games?
>Why don't you play 1v1 arena shooters?
>Why don't you play 1v1 sports in real life?
Combos that last forever are the worst thing to happen to fighting games.
I think main combos should be one or two hits plus special move, but I like when occasionally resources allow for psycho extensions. But I seriously hate these anime games where every touch goes into 20 seconds of bnb strings. even worse when its dial-a-combo shit that doesn't even require any skill in execution
>infinites that just wait out the timer
>straight up TOD's
>assist moves that take up 70% of the screen
>1 frame links can just keep you in a corner
>zoners with multi hit projectiles that make you eat chip
Bro, they don't even ban scripters/hackers that are notorious on servers. They literally state,"don't ask us to fix shit". So take that how you will. Every update I just re-download the folder if the game fricks up.
so i literally just have to get a cheap key for the base game and i can google how to get all the dlc and play with zero consequences or issues?
ye
Everytime I see these shitty "hurr y dnt u play fg" bait threads I wonder if the gene is an actual thing because these games were as easy and enjoyable to get into and learn online/offline as fps and action games for me. learning what moves did what and combos was the same as in dmc, motions were as simple as skate 2 and 3 tricks and there wasn't much actual frame data learning and more so "hey they did this animation I should press something fast/I should really not just use this animation willy nilly".
No idea where to start
No one to play with either online or local on a regular basis
Unwilling to invest money and/or time on something I might not play all that much in the long run
Just play on fightcade
Terrible advices.
Beggars can't be choosers
Not the guy you were replying to.
But following your advices he have 0% chance of enjoying the genre.
Depends on how he defines "fun" to enjoy the genre. It's subjective
>But following your advices he have 0% chance of enjoying the genre
How?
Fightcade isn't beginner friendly, we're talking old ass games where you need a lua script to get a good training mode.
Outside of third strike there are no real beginners to mash with, and even in 3S the player population is small by any standard.
And fighting CPU do not teach you fighting game, outside of maybe blocking and dropping combos.
The CPU will just randomly read your inputs.
Don't know about you but I got into FGs because I played arcade games against the cpu and watched others play first.
It was when you were a kid right?
Kids get impressed by anything flashy happening on a screen
I mean, weren't all of us getting interested in vidya simply because of the flashy stuff on the screen?
Yeah for sure, but now that we're older we're a bit more demanding.
Our attention is harder to grasp, that's why you cannot get a grown man hooked on fighting the CPU
>a grown man
Bold of you to assume a Gankerhomosexual and especially the one b***hing about fgs is one. A grown man would just do his own research and find something enjoyable for him without asking advice from strangers.
lmao fair point.
Unrelated but i wonder how different i would have turned if those flashy lights on the screen didn't catch my attention, i remember playing anything on emulators as a kid.
Emulate the arcade titles and play the hardest difficulty against the cpu
It's not fun.
Why?
Because it's just a worse version of the Real-time Strategy genre.
You can't do sidewinder loops in Real-time Strategy games
Yeah, you can't. Instead, you can predict and respond to your enemy's attacks, stall, manage your resources, and attack the enemy, but all at once.
RTS games don't make you play RPS to figure out which player gets to play the game.
>you can predict and respond to your enemy's attacks, stall, manage your resources, and attack the enemy, but all at once
I can already do that in fighting games
How many attack options do you have while you're being juggled?
Combos are a reward for winning the neutral. I shouldn't be able to attack while in hitstun. At best i should be able to stop the combo with burst
Uh huh. Great. But the fact is, your controller isn't even your hands at this point.
I, on the other hand, can fend off a knight rush and simultaneously raid the enemy's base with scouts. Control is mine until the very end of the game.
This is why fighting games are redundant.
>I can into hotkeys while clicking/dragging over units
enthralling apm arthritis base race simulator.
>Fightan gay complaining about execution
>You can burst and air tech
>tap to reduce damage
>air drift like in smash and make people drop their combos
>bursts
>if you mentioned [X other fighting games] then yeah you better hold this cutscene and see what routing they're going and how good their wakeup situation is going to be.
I have no clue why anyone would willingly play these. I'll take another look at them when they drop combos.
Just had a game where my enemy swarmed my stronghold without any siege. I fricked up in preparations. Was glorious though. Loved every moment of the fumble.
>reddit post
I cumsneed.
Have you seen /vg/ and /vst/? AoE2 is dead on this site. You get what you can.
>it died because it was so hecking good!
lmao, that's why you're in a fighting game thread, because your genre is so great.
Why do you hate combos so much?
Because when I use one, I'm not outplaying the enemy. I'm just hitting a balloon. When I get hit by the enemy, I'm not even playing the game. I'm just waiting for it to end so I can pick the controller up again.
Play some RTS titles. You'll appreciate how much more potential there is for a 1v1 competitive experience. There's a real game to be played. Micro and macro players alike can have fun.
No, I'm in the fighting game thread to make fun of combogays. AoE2 discussion moved to discord. /vst/-gays are compstompers, and there's literally only one guy there who plays the game.
>AoE2 discussion moved to discord
go with them while you're at it
Did.
>they are cool and take like 3 seconds.
In what world is either of these true? There's nothing cool about hitting a defenseless opponent just like there's nothing cool about kicking someone while they're down.
>You can stop combos by bursting or air teching
Solutions to a problem that shouldn't exist. The first is limited, and the second is only available in airdashers.
Maybe when VF6 comes out, there'll be a good fighting game? I like Aoi. She's really cute.
You can just get better at neutral and defense if you hate combos that much
Did. Still lose because I'm crippling my overall damage output. Can easily optimize my CH and oki followups, but at that point, it doesn't even feel like a full game. Only the fastest options exist. Sabaki is all but impossible. You reach a state of fatigue because of the comeback mechanics of whatever game you're playing. Finally, you're fighting the controller for permission to do whatever you want as you go through.
RTS has none of these issues. If you just put in some effort, I think you'll be able to appreciate that.
Combos are your reward for outplaying the enemy. Stop being so autistic about it they are cool and take like 3 seconds.
Like I said. Combos are a reward for winning the neutral game. You can stop combos by bursting or air teching
>your controller isn't even your hands at this point
You can burst and air tech
It depends on the game, if it's Melty Blood you can tap to reduce damage, in soul calibur you can air drift like in smash and make people drop their combos, guilty gear has bursts, bbcf has bursts, now if you mentioned street fighter or under night then yeah you better hold this cutscene and see what routing they're going and how good their wakeup situation is going to be.
Getting comboed is the opponents reward for outplaying you
I don't mind RTS, but those more play to the fantasy of being the general of an army, when I want to play as a single character.
You want to play as a balloon and fight balloons.
Fighting games are meant to be finished and be done with
If you master it to autism levels, i only can assume that you're a poorgay that doesn't have any more games and is too stupid to even pirate anything else
The era of the arcades is over, there is no point in grinding something like that anymore
Fundamentally fighting games are nonsense to decipher by just playing them
Defending in a corner is by all means ridiculous for your average player
You can block, FD, guard cancel, IB and even burst
That is all part of the problem man
Why?
Because just learning two proper responses would be enough as a learning hurdle man
You don't have to use all of them at once
As someone who doesn't play fighting games regularly, the most fun I had was with Soul Calibur 2
also MK Deadly Alliance and Deception
I enjoy watching fighting games more than I do playing them
lmao youre a cuck rigt? thats a dreakin cuck mentality bro you must love getting ckculmao
You sound you're having a stroke. Are you ok? buster wolf
Too much buttons to press. I don't like button smashing.
4-6 buttons is not that much
You know exactly what I mean.. There's also a lot that goes into them other than just pressing buttons. Takes way too much time.