How did the devs manage to fool so many people into believing it was a masterpiece?
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How did the devs manage to fool so many people into believing it was a masterpiece?
How did the devs manage to fool so many people into believing it was a masterpiece?
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it looks pretty and metroidvania gays are too moronic to understand differences in level design or distinguish quality.
3 and every poster ITT except for these two gets a gf in 2023
>pretty
it only looks pretty to brainrotten zoomers who grew up with their sense of aesthetics warped and ruined by invader zim and spongebob squarepants
It was fun but as with too many games, the tedium became too much.
why do sois think retro gameplay and basic sketch art is "deep and artistic"?
I thought it was extremely boring after about 5 hours of play. It looks great and the music and audio design is good, but I really don't get what people see in the gameplay.
A few truly brilliant boss encounters can make people forgive a lot of shitty and amateur design choices.
>a lot of shitty and amateur design choices.
I would say something like this. Just about to finish the game, and it was a wildly inconsistent roller coaster ride. Sometimes the entire game is a slog, a lot of the combat mechanics are very underutilized and almost pointless, some break the game, and the platforming doesn't always feel good. However i still got 40 hours out of it and enjoyed the vast amount of my play time.
Name 10 better metroidvanias.
sotn
aria
portrait of ruin
super metroid
metroid fusion
metroid zero mission
la mulana
la mulana 2
cave story
shadow complex
>fusion
Hahahahaha
Shadow Complex sucks
so does hollow knight, the request was not to list good games
>Aria is better than Dawn
filtered. Dawn is a way better game and literally the only things wrong with it are the gimmicky touch screen seals and the portrait art styles that, both combined, make up 0.0001% of the game.
Level design, weapon diversity, progression, and sprites are all better in Dawn. Everything that matters is better in Dawn.
both aria and dawn are very mediocre. they are just better than hollow knight. I do not want to discuss shitty handheld games I played over 2 decades with you.
>I played over 2 decades with you.
Figures someone who got filtered by Dawn wouldn't even know basic math. No discussion needed. Thanks.
Metroid is not a metroidvania. Idiot.
yes it is
No. Metroid games have actual level design. Metroidvanias like Hollow Knight are nothing more than non-linear beatemups.
no, metroid is also shit
Suck my dick. You never played a metroid game.
I played them when they came out SNES through gamecube
/v/, the post.
>SOTN
slow paced, outdated, tediuous, rehashes assets, it's good but flawed for today standards
>Aria
yes i agree
>PoR
it's good, but not better than HK
>SM
yes
>fusion
lol, LMAO i shouldn't even bother replying anymore clearly you don't play games
>Zero mission
good game, excellent remake. not better than HK
>La Mulana
it hits a different kind of itch. It's disingenous to compare apple to oranges.
>Cave Story
same deal
you're a moron.
>You can't compare these two games in the same genre because...You just can't ok?!
Even Bloodstained has far better level design despite being a half-baked clone of SOTN in some ways. The best things about Hollow Knight are the artstyle and music, and most people don't look past that and realize it's mostly copy-pasted platforms without much thought coupled with a few super meat boy tier platforming challenges. The game is hardly a metroidvania at all aside from the map being big.
>The game is hardly a metroidvania at all aside from the map being big.
That's moronic, man.
Care to explain why? The map has no real continuity, largely every area looks the same aside from the color shifting. You could easily chop the map into levels and not really notice it was suppose to be one big world.
Different Anon here,
You're probably going to need to define what you think constitutes a Metroidvania since loads of people have different opinions/definitions.
I consider HK a Metroidvania because a big part of the gameplay involves exploration, progression through getting mobility upgrades and then exploring previous areas with those new upgrades to pass obstacles that you couldn't pass the first time you encountered them. Progression tied to map completion is also a pretty common element of the genre.
>every area looks the same aside from the color shifting
This is technically subjective but I pretty strongly disagree. Or at least, I disagree based on the assumption that you would claim that Super Metroid or Symphony did not have the same problem. HK has different biomes, many of which have unique hazards and different level design (Depths are more claustraphobic while something like Kingdom's Edge is much more open; some zones are more vertical while others are more horizontal, etc...).
I believe it's the bare minimum of what you can consider a metroidvania. The defining games of the word are Super Metroid and SOTN. What Hollow Knight lacks is unique rooms and backgrounds with widly varying shapes that define every area as it's own thing. Most everything in the game is a flat black platform, and aside from the progression parts that require new powers to stitch the areas together, you could look at them like levels in many other platformers. Mega Man has upgrades and unique enemies on each stage, but if I stiched those levels together and required you to access them by getting weapons from other levels, it wouldn't really feel like a metroidvania would it?
>half-baked clone of SOTN
Why do people say this? It very obviously rips off Aria/Dawn of Sorrow way more.
I really did enjoy Bloodstained, but come on, we know that's what Iga wanted. To try to make the spiritual successor to SOTN by starting a new series. Besides, most of the games that followed SOTN just build upon what it already did and follow the same formula.
I genuinely do not understand why people compare it to SotN over the Sorrow games other than SotN being the 'famous' one. The plot and Gameplay are both very obviously closer to Aria and I don't see anything uniquely SotN in it.
>Spiritual successor to SOTN
They had that already. It was called every Igavania since SOTN. Aria, Harmony, and Portrait are all very obviously trying to be spiritual successors to SOTN and there are strong influences in OoE and Lament.
If you created a 3D exploration game with multiple different goggles and shooting while exploring an alien planet, would you say it's a spiritual successor to Super Metroid instead of Metroid Prime just because Super Metroid was what inspired Prime?
My point is exactly that SOTN is "the famous one." It would make sense that Bloodstained more closely resembles the most recent Igavanias since that is how the game design has developed to that point. But people more often refer to SOTN because it's the one that started it all and the most people played it.
That's moronic though. So I can't make a spiritual successor to Super Mario Sunshine because both Galaxy and 64 were the ones that people actually know/remember? Even if my game had water management as a core mechanic and was all about cleaning up a tropical resort world?
>It would make sense that Bloodstained more closely resembles the most recent Igavanias since that is how the game design has developed to that point
It doesn't resemble the most recent ones though. The game very clearly takes its inspiration from the Soul system of Aria/Dawn while not really taking much from Portrait or Ecclesia. Hell, the map design is also way more similar to Aria/Dawn since it isn't nearly as linear as Order and doesn't have self contained 'worlds' like Portrait. Really the only thing the game takes from non-Aria titles is the idea of the protagonist being in/from a special order which is Ecclesia through and through. Even then the idea of absorbing powers of demons and potentially being corrupted by them is reminiscent of Aria.
Bloodstained isn't a spiritual successor to Igavanias in general, it is very specifically taking the vast majority of its cues from Aria/Dawn.
My point is that Iga naturally borrows things from other games he has made when making new ones. Even if he drew a lot of inspiration from one game, he probably wasn't fixated on just one when he designed Bloodstained. I just said SOTN because it's what put him on the map and allowed him to create those other games. I'm not sure why you're fixated on the fact I mentioned SOTN, naturally people will talk about it in the context of all Igavanias.
rabi ribi
that's not a metroidvania. It's a boss rush game like cuphead with metroidvania filler inbetween just to connect the bosses. The game design is extremely basic for a metroidvania and the game design clearly focuses on being tohou bu platformer 2D
>that's not a metroidvania
>describes metroidvania
sasooga Ganker
Is is a metroidvania. You can argue bosses are the main focus, and you'd be correct, but it's incredibly disingenuous and outright incorrect to claim "it's not a metroidvania". The 'Alternate' mode is literally designed around forcing you to explore the world for upgrades since the bosses don't scale with you.
Blasphemous.
They didn't. That's not a thing that happens.
People played it and liked it enough to consider it a masterpiece.
Get some air anon.
It's been half a decade already. Why are you still serhing about HK?
if you call yourself an indie developer, you can release any old garbage and get automatic praise from a segment of gamers simply for not being AAA.
You mean get instantly shit on because they are not made by AAA studio. Because that is far more prevalent.
>woow a fricking drawn graphics absolute shit game
Says every country hick frick a doodle and Black person
They aimed for the souls fanbase hence why they will bend over backwards defending anything with constant buzz word usage.
I genuinely enjoyed every minute I put into this game up until I got to the very end battles where you have to fight bosses without getting his once with no charms. I quit on the 5th boss. Frick that shit, I don't give nearly enough fricks to train for days to beat a single boss.
>up until I got to the very end battles where you have to fight bosses without getting his once with no charms
...but you don't need to do that though?
If you want to 100% the game you do
The game maxes out at 112% and doesn't require that at all. It just LETS you do that.
No, you literally don't.
Reaching full completion only requires you to beat the normal pantheons. Plus the final one if you want the platinum. But you don't need to do it hitless nor charmless.
hm ok maybe ill go back then
>being a cheevo slave
Bruh. Skill issue. It has beautiful art, but it also has soul and deep lore. It IS a masterpiece, you are just not skilled enough to enjoy it. There should be an easy mode so everyone can experience its epicness.
Test
Youtube sycophants.
has anyone mentioned rabi ribi yet
i like rabi ribi
i know when you first look at it you're like what is this weeb trash but it's good trust me
I played Deedlit in Wonderlabyrinth and it's pretty short (~5-10 hours) and there aren't a lot of secrets, but the gameplay is pretty fun if you view it as more of an action game. I'd put it in Good Tier.
Haven't played Metroid Dread but I heard it was great.
Anyone have the most updated version of this.
That is the most updated version. There are some newer games I haven't added yet.
Oh it is? I feel like it's missing a lot of games these days. Even older ones.
Fricking kek. Even without any arguments for or against the statement- It just reeks of cope. It's pure. It's overpowering. No odors or any sort of other emotion can be felt from this statement but pure copium. "How did they TRICK people into thinking x is a MASTERPIECE." Not even, "Good". People are tricked into thinking things are good all the time. Saying people think it's a MASTERPIECE is just elevating it higher than those people in your head do.
The easy formula for indie success
>heavy use of black and white
>a grim cute aesthetic
>non-specific gender protagonist, a few LGBTQ side characters
>quirky characters, several of which have sad backstories.
Hollow Knight hits every point.
It merged cute big-headed characters with a watered down Dark Souls aesthetic and smooth controls. Since most people have low standards they think it's the perfect game.
I'm so bored of Hollow Knight seethe. Hurry the frick up with Silksong so we can get some brand new seethe.
I do find it amusing how riled up this place get's over this game.
The Sekiro seethe threads are picking up some steam
some real hot opinions popping up in those
I cant wait for the endless shitflinging over which game is better. HK or SS.
timing is 80% of a video game's success.
But Hollow Knight's timing was shit.
>hollow knight
>botw
>elden rign
What will be next for epic contrarianism
90% of metroidvanias are bad so if you make an ok one it's instantly a masterpiece
By having a stupidly sexy main character
>dark souls death mechanic
>MUH LORE
>homosexual art style
It's like the perfect combination of shit morons eat up.
>game about bugs
>suddenly forced lesbian characters
It's shit.