How do we entice men/zoomers to dump video games for literature? Is it possible or are their brain structures permanently damaged?
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How do we entice men/zoomers to dump video games for literature?
>brain structures permanently damaged?
Why can't people do both?
Do you see most gamers doing both?
Yes their are people who do both?
The only people i know who read are also gamers.
I don't know any gamers who read. They'd rather maximize time spent gaming by spending any free time playing even the shittiest of mobile games.
The only people I know who read are women who only read young adult novels and boomers who only read whatever books Joe Rogan suggests.
Not that guy, but people who play mobile games, or esports games for that matter, aren't necessarily gamers. Gamers are people who have a passion for the art and who admire the work of game designers, read the works of critics, contemplate their own game ideas and study how to develop them, and so on. These are typically very independent-minded men because their passion isn't reflected in commercial society or even on an academic level yet, and independent-minded men often also read books.
>Gamers are people who have a passion for the art and who admire the work of game designers, read the works of critics, contemplate their own game ideas and study how to develop them, and so on. These are typically very independent-minded men because their passion isn't reflected in commercial society or even on an academic level yet, and independent-minded men often also read books.
You do realize that not only is this little idiosyncratic definition of a gamer purely and solely yours, but that it accounts for at best a minuscule part of most people who play games, right?
What's your point?
He's trolling you idiot. That's copypasta. Just greentext *tips fedora* in reply and move on.
>That's copypasta
It isn't, moron.
How the frick should I know whether it's pasta? It's the same kind of pretentious dribble you can find anywhere
Believe it or not, some anons take pride in spending so much time in here they can instantly recognize copypasta and then act smugly when others can’t.
There's no copied pasta in the thread just posts that sound like pasta or are inspired by pasta.
I am gifted with a posting style that feels like pasta. I get that a lot. Several of my posts have become actual pasta on a board I used to attend regularly. I'm a bit proud of that.
You should be proud and ashamed. A true gamer can live in the embrace of the contradictions even when resolutions are available, watch the mechanisms of his own mind from a third person perspective and exploit them to own noobs. The next man will be born out of metamodern post-ironic gamerism and he will sacrifice an eye for the perspective. You can't see everything at once, you have to choose but the gamer doesn't choose the careful binocular balancing act of the normie. He is the jester in Zarathustra that jumps effortlessly over the players stuck in the established meta by ignoring all assumptions about balance. A clown the normies call a madman.
Man, the best thing about /v back in the day was all these copypastas about enlightened gamers. It's the only thing I miss about giving up gaming.
Contemporary nation states abstract adversarial relationships using game theory. If you can't game, you're a powerless peasant under the thumb of elite gamers.
>ha ha you like <modern thing> so you must be a le troll
Joe Rogan truly is the Oprah Winfrey of Gen-X and Millenial men.
i literally think about video games 24/7
I was a gamer until I bought mgsv and was so disappointed I stopped buying and playing video games. That same year I read the complete works of Plato and became the mentally moronic Gankerizen I am today.
I very rarely play video games, but all Kojima games including and especially MGSV are based and redpilled. You were filtered.
What do books offer that games don't
Nothing. Now that every video game gets an 3 hour video essay about why it is an masterpiece of culture shaking proportions even the smug sense of superiority that can be gained from regurgitating someone else's analysis of a book has been outclassed.
God, do I hate those. I remember seeing this screenshot of a 5 hour video about the Witcher 1.
>the iceburg of half life
>9 hours in length
Its like who the frick is watching this shit lmao
Sometimes people on Ganker talk about it. It's something you put on in the background to feel less lonely.
Prolonged and focused engagement with language.
Man
That really dies sound fricking boring
less arbitrary barriers to narrative because of the limits of control schemes and hardware.
That's not an appeal
acetophenetidine
It's your brain that is damaged. Vidya is hands down a more engaging medium with more potential for greater amounts of information transfer conveying experiences. Whether vidya capitalizes on this advantage or not is irrelevant compared to the potentiality that exists. Peak vidya will always mog peak literature by virtue of its higher sensory input capacity. Simple as.
by your own assessment playing video games will always be inferior to playing video games with a dildo up your ass "by virtue of its higher sensory input capacity"
People play video games with onaholes attached to robots that jerk them off, so yes
What book does that
>so yes
ok thanks all i wanted to know
Hope you have fun trying it
>muh sense experience
See the thing about books is that you actually have to think (engage) with them for them to even work. Your own thought has to piece together the words into concepts. But hey guess you'd have no problem plugging yourself into the infinite masturbation machine eh?
This anon is a moron. Everyone laugh at his limp little brain.
Very bad post, you should be ashamed
Remember when you're arguing with someone on here, these are the kind of people you are arguing with.
I actually agree, but you can't deny that written language is one of the most efficient ways of transferring information.
No joke, peak vidya storytelling of the next decade will be a VR mystery in which half the fun is deciphering obscure books.
The one thing books have a books have over literature is that it's easier to write than to code, but that just means people will admire a guy making his own vidya in his room more than any author, and people still rather rework outdated RPG Maker games into something special than read the five books everyone says will make you smart
Book worship has killed books
books are far better as a narrative medium if your standard isn't capeshit
you can express much more with prose
You can express more with visual techniques
Philosophical zombies? On my board?
A picture can convey a thousand words but to an educated mind a single word paints a thousand pictures.
That just means a picture paints a million other pictures
You can't organize the pictures as well with pictures. I can invoke more associations with words and use more abstract tools to manipulate the meaning conveyed.
It all rests in a context that I have to reference to do that and if you never have any idea what I'm referencing pictures will be better, or just pointing at things and grunting.
Fart.
Visual mediums are only good to represent visuals. If that's everything to you, I'm afraid you're a brainlet.
t. visual artist
>Visual mediums are only good to represent visuals.
body language truthers seething
>you can express much more with prose
absolutely untrue
>Book worship has killed books
What do you mean by this?
I started HRT 4 years ago and I haven't played any video games in three years
I just don't have the attention span for video games anymore but I do for books
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jarmark
You don't anyway the publishing industry deserve to die.
Both are forms of escapism. What more men need to be enticed into doing is going outside, interacting with other living people in the present moment, gaining an understanding of how society works across the globe today, experiencing their bodies more than their brains while they're still young enough to do so, and creating real world memories to look back on down the road. Culture is declining because not enough men are taking these things seriously anymore.
>he says on Ganker
the real world is shit
you sound like one of those single moms looking for some simp to "man up" and raise her son. i don't need someone telling me what "men need to" do.
Stop being a gay. Virtually all ancient civilizations thought the same, that young men should be physically active rather than lethargic idlers.
i bet you also whine that schools waste too much money on sports and that mma is "gay" or something. tradlarpers are trash.
Wrong. Got any more stupid shit to add?
almost all young men are more or less physically active
Jerking off at home isn't being physically active.
I went outside, looked everybody that crossed my path straight in the eye, and gave them a firm handshake, but they could still tell that I'm autistic.
I used to stockholm syndrome myself into playing videogames till I realized that they just weren't that good. The medium just comes with immersion breaking limitations of the game engine, the developers' time, and the technology. This causes the medium to find other ways to hook people in by employing '''''gameplay elements'''' which in reality is just cheating people's dopamine receptors into giving a shit. All of these '''''gameplay elements''''' like rpgs, levels, points, coins, have no value and are only there too tie you in to experience the rest of the actual content. Sometimes they don't even include the rest of the game and just try to pull you in with their addicting meaningless loops.
Even when they gather enough people that can focus on art, sound design, writing, and make something that doesn't rely on gameplay elements to forcibly make it engaging. You'll get some liberal politics to frick it all up and come out with a shit experience corrupted by blue-hairs.
If you consider all of this then videogames just aren't worth the investment. Books are a guide to imagination while videogames are just a box, a restrictive, lesser form that tries to imitate god's creation and fails spectacularly. The controls that stop you from truly being part of that world. The art that pales in realism compared to everything surrounding you. The sound that is only an imitation trying to fool you into believing its real. The gameplay elements that mock you for thinking that this world is anything like gods'. Some consider videogames to be better just because there is more art, that the sound, drawings, animation, fills up more of the world and makes it more defined than just words on a page, when in reality these additions are only limitations for the mind which is already trained by a superior reality.
Basically, if fully-immersion VR isn't made with AI that creates worlds on the fly then videogames will always be shit.
Yeah I noticed that too. I pretty much stopped enjoying video games around age 20. I was a big proponent of unique games and especially RPGs, so I formed my XxXg4m3rXxX identity around the idea that the "point" of video games, what made them distinct as a medium, was suspension of disbelief. In RPGs for example this was achieved by simulating freedom of choice so well that the player feels like he's really interacting with a responsive world and the narrative is forming around him.
There's some truth to it but as the fun dried up I started playing for completionism, for connoisseurism, and for lack of anything else to do. When I finally gave up on video games I was sad and told myself I'd come back when I had more time, and at least re-play things like Morrowind. But I don't know. It all feels so small now by comparison.
Even games I would have gone crazy over during my dry period, the kinds of games I was then asking "why aren't there more developers like this?!" about, don't interest me. I still want to re-play Planescape or Arcanum on some dim level but mostly for childhood nostalgia.
books on videogames, game design, writing, aesthetics, etc.
Publish good books, something that hasn't been done in decades.
contrarian brainlet
Don't bother. Embrace being an elite with a functional brain in a dying culture. Most Americans are sub-literate and no amount of savvy marketing is going to change that.
I'll do that while I drag myself to my office job that makes me want to jump off a tall building.
This life is fricking miserable.
I feel your pain, for I live it as well.
白鶺鴒
Identify their fundamental existential anxieties and address them.
most people have always been illiterate morons that don't give a shit about the classics
Video games are the new form of gesamtkunstwerk, get over it.
I devote an equal time to both. And an extra portion to music and poetry as well. There's nothing wrong with your fingers in many pies especially if one of them is your mom's
READ THE POEMS OF OSSIAN PUBLISHED BY JAMES MACPHERSON
THESE ARE ANCIENT POEMS OF A SCOTTISH HERO
Produce literature that speaks to men and their experiences.
They're useful for different things. Video games can train you to think quickly, analyze a lot of variables at once, etc. Some studies suggest that cognitive health in the elderly can be improved by playing 30 minutes of videogames per day.
But, obviously, most videogames are extremely shallow when it comes to the story, and everything else we relate to good literature. There's also a problem of videogames being hemmed in by the limitations of the technology, whereas with books, words translate directly into thoughts and you can express any concept you can think of. These two mediums really can't be compared.
>How do we entice men/zoomers to dump video games for literature?
Here is a different idea: let men and zoomers play their video games. Let them succumb to their own actions. Weak men fall for addictions, strong men arise to cause-and-effect. What could be the effect of letting such weaklings play their video games? The answer is simple: slow-term suicide for the Weak and long-term proliferation of the Strong (or those who adhere to the Power Law). Let the Weak cope: life is hard as it is. But the world has no space for them.
both gamers and readers are homosexualy little wimps, judging by the cretins, the utter wastes of space who post here
Only a true gamer has the mind hardened by a million lives needed to face the demons at the bottom of the well of knowledge. Only a gamer can stand in the center of the abyss and laugh in the face of what would destroy the soul of the average normie. They will never understand the sick twisted mind of someone that sacrifices his eye for a glimpse of the other side.
Haven’t seen this one in awhile.
You will always be a filthy noob, a normie with not even one single teledildonic device while I only grow in strength every day as I approach the game theory optimal number of dildos in my ass. The evolutionary equilibrium point at which I settle into a new state of being beyond what you call human.
Your interpretation of books is probably more influenced by movies than anything seen in your own life. It can make or break your own experience.
Popularize the idea of including a library of real books, curated to be relevant to the game, into as many games as possible.
A lot of games have deeper connections to art and literature than meets the eye. Some game devs have souls. Maybe zoomers will be interested about the things that inspired their favorite games but I know they just like shit like Minecraft and Fortnite so who knows.
A lot of games have deeper connections to chan memes than meets the Encyclopadia Dramatica. Video games are truly the artistic frontier.
Putting this sort of self-serving reference in your work is a surefire sign that you're a hack.
Whoa whoa whoa, ease up there Friedman. This is a pro-Marx board.
Video games are educational and informative.
I can't into games anymore.
I bought a switch with SMT V last year and I just felt sick to my stomach with guilt and also felt the very opposite of satisfied/entertained. It felt like a chore to play. I felt like a slave because I bought this game out of hype. Nothing against the game, I'm sure its great, but the medium. There's just always something better you can be doing than playing a video game. It does't even have 'relaxation' going for it because the amount of stuff you have to memorise and think about is stress-inducing to say the least. The only games which I don't have this problem with are literally children's games and thus I have decided to stay away. Reading is more fun anyway.
yeah i can't get into rpgs anymore it's just too much to deal with. i guess i've become a filthy casual. i used to play those really hard rpgs in the 90s too like wizardry, ultima, etc. i bought realms of arkania on the last steam sale for like $2 cuz i hadn't played it in the 90s when it was new. my god, that shit is too much for me to deal with. maybe my cognitively ability is declining or i've just been made soft by modern easy rpgs like fallout 3 or pseudo-rgps like borderlands. all i can do is play casual counterstrike matches because you can jump in, frick around, banter a bit, and then bounce without any big commitment. i always told myself i would go back and beat wizardy 7, ultima 7 and elder scrolls: area, but there's just no way i'll be up for that much complexity by then.
Yeah, Shin Megami Tensei: Nocturne is my FAVOURITE game of all time. Like seriously. But I could never, ever play it ever again because I'm not a teenager anymore. I have relationships, projects, and a full-time occupation, I had none of those things in 2003. I cannot fathom how people are willing to play games of 60+ hours in length *on the regular*. I recall people shitting on Nintendo for releasing last year's Metroid title at full price despite being very short, well, as I age I care less about value for money and more about things that respect my time.
>I cannot fathom how people are willing to play games of 60+ hours in length *on the regular*.
It's quite easy when you don't have
>relationships, projects, and a full-time occupation
My only real obligation is my part-time job so that leaves me plenty of time to enjoy these long games. If I were in your situation I probably wouldn't play games either, I just wouldn't have the time.
it is possible to grow out of video games in favor of superior things like literature but the person has to want it themselves
The prime minister of Japan was assassinated. I don't think the future is bright for video games.
I only play Red Read Redemption 2 and Ghost of Tsushima
Those are movies anon
I couldn't understand why anyone liked Red Dead. It's just a series of typical Rockstar scripted encounters in a big empty open world Assassin's Creed minigame map.
One game that really shocked me with how disappointing it was, was Breath of the Wild. They create this huge world "to explore," but then you already know what everything you can possibly find is going to be before you find it. You don't know what KIND of puzzle temple it will be, but you know it'll be a puzzle temple.
Compare that with the fun I had playing Shadow of the Colossus and just riding around looking at things. I used to only play that game at night and only for a little while so I could prolong the feeling of immersion for as long as possible.
Real answer. Staff bookshops exclusively with attractive women, strictly 7/10's and higher only, who will provide free sex to customers who are able to correctly answer a series of questions regarding their purchase a week or so later, proving they have read the book. Cheaters will be charged with rape.
games develop other areas of the brain, my rocket league experience gave me excellent spatial reasoning
Complicated games actually filter low IQs better than lit. Dwarf fortress, Space station 13, chess, dominions 5 all take time and a brain to control. If you only play easy games like fallout 3 or Minecraft or any AAA normie game then your low IQ confirmed. Reading Plato is comparatively easy to picking up SS13 and you can brute force reading through it even if you don't pick up a quarter of it.
Listening to music that's not classical, watch films and yt, reading any book that's not Shakespeare or Milton in English is way less mental work than playing difficult competitive games. Honestly I think people should play difficult competitive games in their youth, strategies like star craft, and pick up heavy reading in their late teens and 20s. That would create stronger brains.
All this being said if you don't transfer to heavy reading you will have a fast acting brain without any meat to ponder. Games have no philosophy and art games are all low effort crap. The real art games don't have themes or try to ape literature but have the most intricate form; see games listed at start. Like how Bachs music has the most complicated composition and Shakespeare has the most dense verbal texture.
I don't see the merit in conquering dwarf fortress' autism for the sake of autism UI
>Dwarf fortress is autism.
And James Joyce, Pynchon and Wallace isn't?