How the FRICK do you even get good at shmups? Do they really just expect you to grind the same 20 minute game loop hundreds of times? What the frick
How the FRICK do you even get good at shmups?
How the FRICK do you even get good at shmups? Do they really just expect you to grind the same 20 minute game loop hundreds of times? What the frick
It's an autism thing.
I don't really think it is. I love these games but don't have autism. I just like shmups.
Is this a new schizo or something?
Shumps and schizos go hand in hand, even before Ganker itself existed
trie and retrie
That's how you get good at anything anon
Either develop autism or become a troony.
obsessed
It's always fun when you touch a troon's nerve. 🙂
Good job proving me right
Good job on proving him right
Get help
Stay malding
stay projecting
Stay malding
it's like fighting games, people that have the neurons to be good at them can learn to 1cc a new section in 20 minutes and string together all those sections into a whole game 1cc in a couple of days, people that are physiologically deficient have to grind one game into dust to be able to dogpaddle through it
>a whole game 1cc in a couple of days
lmao, try weeks if not months for the truly difficult games
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Deathsmiles, DoDonPachi Resurrection, Mushihimesama are all good STGs for beginners. You could try Crimzon Clover EXploision, Blue Wish Desire, |][-@I7 in vitro, ZeroRanger.
You stopped typing all in lowercase just like in the previous thread, when a poster changes his posting style that means he's flustered or angered.
>try weeks if not months
How much of a braindead shitter are you? 1CC is the bare minimum of competency in a game. Then you get into multiple loops, no miss, no bomb, speedplay, hardest settings, scoring, etc.
What 1CC is ever taking you weeks if not months? You are just a nonplayer who is clueless about the genre.
post your inbachi clear b***h
see
And in almost a week you STILL haven't posted a clear. And I know it's the same anon bevause you have a distinct posting style. Nice LARP.
already posted here
>no screencaps or pics
Yeah ok bro
Ah
So thats why pros play Street fighter for 20 hours a day
Lack of skill
I love seeing people make up bs about neurons or "neuroplasticity" or what have you as excuses for being a shitter.
cope oldie/brainlet.
Yes, It's called having fun morono.
Games are so good they only need you to play over and over.
t. been playing kof 2002 since 2006.
Good luck getting a story mode movie game to last for 18 years playing it every day.
/shmupg/ bait thread
Picrel or something w/ shmups? Notice picrel has 2 shmups
>stand up cab
>bat top
>no autofire circuit
yeah that's cringe bro
yeah pretty much.
>Do they really just expect you to grind the same 20 minute game loop hundreds of times?
Yes. If the game is fun then it's worth it. I've played through Megaman X like a hundred times and it's still fun to me.
Unfocus your eyes in bullet hell parts
i think shoot em ups are really fun but i suck ass at them and have never beaten one
Play these games:
>Like Dreamer
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1867740/Like_Dreamer/
https://www.freem.ne.jp/brand/6400 (freeware games from the same dev)
>Mecha Ritz
https://store.steampowered.com/app/463070/Mecha_Ritz_Steel_Rondo/
https://www.freem.ne.jp/win/game/8513 (older free version of Mecha Ritz)
>ZeroRanger
https://store.steampowered.com/app/809020/ZeroRanger/
>DRAINUS
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1975360/DRAINUS/ (from the touhou luna nights dev, the game is very forgiving)
>BLUE REVOLVER
https://store.steampowered.com/app/439490/BLUE_REVOLVER/
>Gunvein
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2025840/Gunvein/
>Crimzon Clover World EXplosion
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1718160/Crimzon_Clover_World_EXplosion/
Also NOT a shmup but a very arcadey top down shooter, very fun and hectic
>Assault Adroid Cactus
https://store.steampowered.com/app/250110/Assault_Android_Cactus/
NOT a shmup either but still fun and very cool looking twin-stick shooter
>NeverAwake
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1727180/NeverAwake/
I recommend DRAINUS or Mecha Ritz for your first pick, they are very forgiving, DRAINUS especially is very beginner friendly as you spend a lot of time absorbing projectiles to reflect them.
I didn't put it on the list but DoDonPachi Resurrection or DFK has a mode with autobombs everytime you get hit, very forgiving for beginners.
>all indieslop garbage
>tranime image
please, kys
>Complains about shumps being indie when shumps ARE the best genre for "indie" games
moron
indie shmups are almost universally fricking trash moron, and you didn't even name any of the few good ones. There is a huge catalog of great arcade and console shmups before you'd ever have to resort to that trash.
now post clears poser trash
>any of the few good ones
Such as?
Still waiting.
Zero ranger alone stands near the greats of the genre you absolute fricking homosexual.
Your turn b***h. Name some good ones. Btw whatever you say I'm going to mock you hard depending on what games you pick.
>Zero ranger alone stands near the greats of the genre you absolute fricking homosexual.
lmao, you probably think shitkaruga is a masterpiece. kys
He does this in every thread. Shits on games, never posts clears, and pretends to be an elite. It's a bit pathetic. The fact that he shows up in EVERY thread speaks volumes. Just ignore him.
>they're trash, because... THEY'RE EASY
Anon said he never beat a shmup, anon was given babby shmups. Where's the problem?
no they're trash because they're fricking dogshit games.
There are plenty of easy arcade and console shmups.
https://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=59651
post your 1ccs and I'll take your post a bit more seriously.
Post the games you think he should play then.
Sengoku Ace
R-Type Leo
1944
In The Hunt
Gradius 2
Strikers 1945
Batrider
Darius Gaiden
Out Zone
Tiger-Heli
Batsugun
Salamander NES
Daisenpuu
Gate of Thunder
Axelay
Nexzr
Hishouzame
Raiden
>no autofire
Nearly all trash. Good job moron
lmao seething little shitters. either post clears or go back to your braindead bulletslop games
I cleared more games than you
yes, I'm sure you've ""cleared"" some indieslop baby moron games.
Now post those clears champ.
Thank you for exposing yourself with your horrible taste, now everyone knows to disregard your posts.
I just can't take people seriously who play bullet hell trash, especially soulless modern bullet hell indieslop. There's no game design in bullet hells, you're just playing a puzzle game. Younger japs are infantile and love excess.
>wan mirrion burrets wooow
>Complains about bullet hell
>lists Batsugun
>Even though Batsugun was proto bullet hell
Lmao you can't fricking real right now anon
early hybrid games like Batsugun, 1944, and Batrider still have very competent game design though. They aren't just projectile vomit with zero thought put behind anything.
Sounds like a skill issue on your end
>skill issue
>when the hardest games both for survival and scoring are dadshmups
post clears shitter.
>getting filtered by bullet hells
Fricking lmao, please keep posting.
>no Gradius 3 (ARC)
Little b***h got filtered
>Salamander NES
Abadox is better
>very good
Batrider
>decent
Strikers 1945
R-Type Leo
>trash
Everything else.
You haven't cleared any of these games.
So you only play old memo-heavy games and get filtered by the newer games because you can't deal with overlapping patterns, you must be a 35+ year old frick seething at his irrelevancy and lack of skills so you cope by acting tough and trying to bully the people new to the genre.
most shmups are indie
most games are indies, who cares.
>backpedalling
What was your goal here? Getting (You)s?
Isaac, Sine Mora, Jamestown, Monolith (now called Star of Providence), Geometry Wars 3, Dead Nation, Atomicrops, Resogun, Bleed 2, Furi, Cuphead.
>Sine Mora
>good
So you were just shitposting the whole time, good to know.
the ones by nip devs are good.
>Like Dreamer
>Mecha Ritz
>DRAINUS
>Crimzon Clover World EXplosion
thanks anon, ill check these out while also slamming my forehead against a wall trying to get past the 3rd stage in gradius
Once you beat the first loop of Gradius your third eye opens. You can do it.
Crimzon Clover is one of the best games in the entire genre, I'd also recommend this one
It's funny how I have 6 of these games but I never played even an hour of them. I really should work on my backlog.
They're dime a dozen slop that's always on sale and no one cares about
https://drive.google.com/file/d/10gOoljOemz5pbnwYRMbTfr6sWlQLr-l-/view
wait a minute
this isn't dolphin porn
:<
how do i get good at rts then?
Charts?
Euroshumps
Just ignore the autists and play on easy.
May well be watching a movie at that point
If you're good enough to clear normal, sure. If not easy will likely still be engaging enough.
>autists
>s
It's literally 1 guy and he is in every single one of these threads.
meds.
You're so fricking funny anon, here are your (You)s.
>you mean to get good at thing I have to...practice?!?
>when will they develop an AI to be good at shmups for me?????
What if I still like them and don't try to 1CC everything because I have IRL shit to do and b***hes don't care about your clears? What are you gonna do about it? I love Zero Ranger, Eschatos, Crimzon Clover, Gradius Gaiden, Cotton Rock n Roll, and Gunbird, and there isn't a thing you can say to stop me from talking about these games and calling them good. I may be a shitter in your eyes, but at least I have a healthy sex life.
Circlejerking on /vg/ counts as sex as well.
>I love Zero Ranger, Eschatos, Crimzon Clover, Gradius Gaiden, Cotton Rock n Roll, and Gunbird
you don't though. You're just a poser trying to look edgy and unique on the internet.
How easy would it be to make a shoot em up?
They're braindead easy to make, but hard to make well, which is why 99.9% of indie shmups today are trash.
In terms of assets? Probably pretty easy. In terms of game design? You'd better know your shit, especially if you want to be both accessible and hard to master.
On paper it's easy because it's just moving hitboxes but making a good one with good patterns and a good rhythm (dictated by the enemy spawns, their health, and where their patterns force you to move) is very hard.
Not to mention it has to look (and sound) good as well otherwise people won't even want to look at it for more than 2 seconds.
God damn I love DoDonPachi.
It's the easiest kind of game to make as a solo dev. The guy who made Hotline Miami made several shmups before he made that game.
>Do they really just expect you to grind the same 20 minute game loop hundreds of times?
kind of, yeah, thats how other genres were like such as run-and-guns as well (a contra 1cc is actually quite similar in mindset to a shmup 1cc for example)
nowadays people use savestates. its that elephant in the room that people in the community actually used to ignore/handwave but the best players do a lot of practice with savestates on mame, it allows you to truly route a game fully and to reset small mistakes, and then they take what they learned and do a full run (that doesn't use savestates) and its counted as a legitimate run now.
a lot of the talk about mindset actually doesnt matter much if you are diligent at practicing with savestates, you will get a 1cc even in your sleep (for some games) at a certain point because you've memorized the game rote and know all of the patterns. Like, if you savestate practiced on a console shmup like Gunhed you'd beat that game in a day or less easily.
It's a memory game. After you play the same levels over and over you start to get it down. It's no different from how most users here have probably memorized hundreds of moves dodge frames and boss order from the dark souls series.
If i play the game from start till I die, usually in the 3rd or 4th level, I tend to not learn the game properly. But if i play level 3 over and over again, i find myself learning it rather than just glossing over it once every 10-15mins on a run
Also as everyone knows Easy is like Normal difficulty and Normal is like hard compared to other genres. Long as your ego doesnt think you should be playing better than you actually are its more enjoyable
do shmups have even more secondaries than touhou? Literally not even ONE person can post their clears in this thread?
>do shmups have more secondaries than shmups
?
touhou isn't a shmup
Oh this should be good
Please explain
not wasting my time on a shitter until you post clears.
Thanks for admitting you're wrong!
Aw man come on, you could have written something funny instead of this
You didn't even try!
No time to explain in a simple sentence why touhou isn't a shmup but plenty of time to shitpost in shmup threads on Ganker 24/7.
I do think Touhou people try too hard to fit in other shmup communities other than the unhinge Touhou community.
shumps themselves are secondaries, its the poser genre
people are too scared to even post attempts
I can post my 1cc of Thunder Force 4 when I get back from work if you want.
Well, first of all, it's like any other skill or hobby you try to get good at: Do you only care about results or do you actually love the process?
If all you want is to be good at something for whatever weird reasons only wanting to be good at something you could have, then grind is the only way forward. Put that shit at max difficulty from the very beginning. Try try and retry and adapt. Do your boring homework, watch tutorials from pros and grind grind grind grind and grind some more.
>But grinding is boring.
Then maybe you just enjoy the process (playing the games). If that's the case, play at any difficulty you can actually play and stop letting your juvenile and inflated ego let people live rent free in your head who tell you "EASY MODE BAD!" because if you give zero shit about bragging to other shmup autists about beong da best, why do you even want to be da best?
Literally ZERO clears posted in this thread at all. Fake interest is at peak levels.
I know you are but what am I
le
>he says, not posting any clears
I already posted clears, see
>No screenshots
fake news
I recently managed to 1cc Raystorm on the m2 switch collection.
Hardest game I've ever cleared. Most of my other 1ccs are entry level stuff like Gradius or DDP Daifukkatsu
Any other keyboard players in this thread? I'm a shmup baby.
Keyboard player here.
Yes. They're essentially puzzle games, learning the patterns is more important than mechanical skill.
you're thinking of bulletslop. Classic shmups have a lot more traditional game design.
Classic shumps are even MORE about learning the patterns, you need to know where and when the string of enemies are doing to spawn. Some of them need you to know which path to take too.
they have elements of memo like basically all action games, but they have much more to their design than just a bunch of intricate bullet patterns with a tiny hitbox.
Post clears shitter
I've cleared Megablast 2 and Gun-Nac. Literally most of the difficulty came from not knowing where enemies were going to spawn. Once I learned the levels they became piss easy.
so you're a dumb shitter who has only cleared babby games. Gun Nac is literally the lowest rated game on the shmup difficulty list. get the frick outta here
>He says while not posting screenshots
I've also cleared Silkworm, Blood Money, a few of the R-Types, all the Gradius games (including the anime waifu one). They all become a million times easier once you learn the levels and you only need basic dodging skills.
>a few of the R-Types
>all the Gradius games
lmao, sure you did champ. Post your R-Type 2 JP 2all clear. Dumb lying shitter
I record all my no miss clears
Post em then. Until then, you're just another anon talking shit on Ganker.
>all the Gradius games
You cleared Gradius III arcade and Gradius IV?
>names two moronic baby games and gets called out
>uhhh well.... I also cleared uhhh.. uhhh ummm (shit, what's that one really popular shmup called) uhhh R-Type!! and uhh... Gradius!! (wait, which ones? frick I don't even know how many there are...) uhh.. ummm... ALL of them.. HAH!!! (whew, he's totally going to believe me)
>learning the patterns is more important than mechanical skill.
You need to learn the patterns AND have enough "mechanical skills" to dodge them.
Most of the time there's very little dodging involved and more just leading shots and following a path.
You literally don't play shmups. Unless you're playing R-Type or a Psykio game which are almost 100% memorization you do need to learn to dodge shit in addition to routing the stages.
moron post
It really doesn't apply to either of them. Classic shmups actually tend to be more memorizey than danmaku so you'd be wrong regardless though
Ah yes, blind first playthroughs are just as hard as your 10000th attempt where you know when and how everything goes down.
>blind first playthroughs are just as hard as your 10000th attempt where you know when and how everything goes down.
This applies to literally every single game ever made.
"The games aren't more about memorizing than dodging" doesn't mean "routing doesn't help at all" you stupid fricking moron, try utilizing more than five of your brain cells and realize that things aren't black and white
post clears shitter
You first
>bullets shoot in a predetermined path
>Enemies spawn in predetermined places
>the only true dynamic factor are the few bullets aiming directly at you with the exception of gimmick stages with destructive or hostile environments.
You're grossly misleading regarding how old shmups were designed. You're literally "old good, new bad". Even then, games like Super Hydorah exists.
yes, old good, new bad in this case
the issue isn't memo vs. no memo (which is not even the case regardless), it's actual competent game design, stage design, and level design vs. just a bunch of lazy stupid fricking patterns with pixel hitboxes and sensory overload with vomit clutter garbage filling the screen
And then you have games like Zero Ranger and Hydorah as I said before. Are you seriously trying to imply that there weren't dogshit shmups before bullet hell became popular?
Both shitty indieslop games kys
Yeah ok lol. This is why no one takes you seriously. Shitting on something isn't an argument. Go ahead. Explain what's wrong with Super Hydorah. Other than "its le INDIE" you fricking child.
>Go ahead. Explain what's wrong with Super Hydorah.
It's not made by pure nipponese blood.
Any tips? (Of the fedora)
For maximum efficacy
Oh yeah, last time I asked I got advicegayged for bullet hell, this is not one.
If you can't beat Batsugun it's actually over for you, that game is so easy.
Post no miss clear shitter
Why would anyone even screenshot or record that? It's not impressive. The game is really easy.
so you admit you haven't done it. post clears shitter
Bullshit, watch as I lop off my head and fall into a fire and best you with the charred remains of my dick.
Dead genre
You can't gatekeep video games. It's like trying to gatekeep movies or music. You really need to get laid and pick up a hobby. People are going to play and enjoy what they want, and no amount of crying will change any minds. I doubt you have a lot going on IRL when you live and die by these threads and your unwarranted sense of elitism. Your opinions are just that--opinions. Literally worthless and adds nothing to any discussion. It just makes you look like a gargantuan homosexual. Not giving you any more (you)'s
Practice.
kinda hate that shmup threads die immediately if everyone isn't just shitting on each other.
unfortunately the only shmup players on Ganker are the mentally unhinged schizos banned from the shumpforum and discord.
It's one schizo who magically is always available when these threads pop up. Almost like he spends all of his time on Ganker.
I only started but I just continue and play through the game and then start it again. I imagine I'll get better and use less continues as I keep doing this.
You will, but restarting stages during learning is faster if the game lets you.
I ain't trying to race I just find them fun. I'm old and played shit like 1942 or 5 in arcades way back when but there's been no shmups for me between then and now. I'll worry about specific sections when I get good at the others.
>SHMUP thread
>Everyone is too busy trying to prove that they're better than eachother and plays harder games than the rest to just appreciate the fact that SHMUPS are some of the best games out there.
Why do you feel the need to do that? Prove that you're the biggest fish in the pond? What does that accomplish? The only SHMUP I can 1cc is Thunder Force 4 which is babby tier and everytime I play actual bullethells I get my ass kicked and I enjoy it regardless.
Those are the dangers of gamer/enthusiast as an identity. Everything revolve around how much of a tryhard you are which ignores the fact that playing SHMUPS whether you suck or are God is just fricking great. Why can't you all just enjoy that instead of trying to prove who's the fraud by talking about achievements that are ultimately pointless to anyone else but yourself.
I'm still proud that I can 1cc TF4 on a good day because I adore this game, its music and aesthetic and because it is still hard to me and overcoming things that are hard, even if just to us, is very rewarding.
Very cool anon. I really need to get into Technosoft games, I heard excellent things about Thunder Force III and IV. Don't let the tryhards put you off the genre.
Because some people put all of their self value in video games. If you're lucky, you eventually realize that no one is going to care but you and a few strangers on the internet. They spend so much time on games that they have tricked themselves into thinking that that can condescend others for not being tryhards like them. People like you just enjoy games, but people like the ones in this thread hold all of their self-value in being better at what is ultimately entertainment and not valuable to anyone else in the slightest. It's why it's so hard to take those posters seriously. Like, they really think that they can convince someone that they're having fun "the wrong way." It's mind-boggling.
>The only SHMUP I can 1cc is Thunder Force 4 which is babby tier
Then shut up and leave the thread shitter
The irony is astounding. Maybe you're just low IQ.
Capitalizing "shmup" is the easiest way to tell everyone you're a secondary
>I have aspergers
Yeah I know you do.
I blame shmupg. mods really need to ban that shithole for good.
>AHHH MODS SAVE ME
go back to riddit.
You have no idea the level of off-topic "discussion" and discord drama we would reach if /vg/ disappeared.
bro this place is a dumpster fire
Literally all we had to do was talk about shmups and ignore meta/bait posts.
Please no, the sludge would just leak here and those homosexuals are insane even by the standards of this shithole.
>Everyone
Again, it's literally 1 dude trying to shit up every threads and he admitted in a previous thread that he was being a massive homosexual on purpose.
meds.
Imagine having a cooking thread and the only cooking experience 99% of people in the thread have is heating up a hot pocket.
That's what it's like dealing with nothing but nonstop posers and secondaries in these threads.
yes
I played Fantasy Zone 1 and 2 and Touhou 7, any recs?
>Fantasy Zone 1 and 2
I too would like to play more games like Fantasy Zone.
>Touhou 7
Cave games I guess. Try Dodonpachi and Deathsmiles.
>I too would like to play more games like Fantasy Zone.
The Fantasy Zones on Megadrive and Game Gear are original games fyi. I think most people just assume they're a port of 1.
Did you play M2's remake of 2 or the original?
Black Bird is very similar to Fantasy Zone, there's also Defender which FZ was heavily inspired by, if you like that you may enjoy Resogun.
I played the remake. Iirc the original has 3 zones per level instead of 2? Wonder how that affects the endings
Yeah I started from scratch and literally played DDP DOJ (BL) for hundreds of hours until eventually 2-ALLing including hibachi.
Not my proudest moment and I was a complete gamer schizo during those times. Basically seething at every moving thing.