How would you make a modern Oregon Trail game that appeals to current audiences?

So since the indians committed sin that means europeans have a divine right to genocide them and steal their land? I preferred when Europeans just called them savages and stole like the bullies they are,, more direct.

No they did not, they warred, but wholesale genocide was done by Europeans on a massive scale which is incomparable.

Also yes there was organized genocides, the whole invention of the Rangers was an irregular warfare unit meant to hunt down native villages, burn it, rape it, scalp everyone. Regular campaigns were made to destroy ethnic groups. Go ask the seminole.

There are books and tons of historical testimony that disprove you.

Cherrypicking the american indian wars? Cope, the documents prove the atrocity.

Also of course the murdered white villages, to them they were illegal squatters in their land, who wanted the natives removed. Want me to squat in your home while an armed guard surrounds me?

>Also of course the murdered white villages, to them they were illegal squatters in their land, who wanted the natives removed
Even the most zealous anti-illegal immigrant people don't want to see Mexicans rounded up and shot for "squatting on US soil"

i'm sure a decent fraction of the small minority of texans that aren't fat brown indians would agree

https://www.realclearscience.com/lists/frightening_tales_from_archaeology/massacre_torture_colorado.html

And you're an butthole for it.

so it's only genocide if you win? Natives also broke treaties and attacked people they'd agreed to leave alone. There was political nonsense going on between the various tribes as well. If somebody murdered your whole family, you'd probably be kinda mad about it, right? Well that happened to people on both sides, but only the Euros are evil for feeling like that

The treaties were awful concessions in the first place that denied natives their homeland and health, them being told not to continue their ancient way of life was tanamount to a slow death, of course they'd break them.

>Also of course the murdered white villages, to them they were illegal squatters in their land, who wanted the natives removed
Even the most zealous anti-illegal immigrant people don't want to see Mexicans rounded up and shot for "squatting on US soil"

US sees Mexico as a fellow country, the US saw natives as a problem to be gotten rid of.

>the documents prove the atrocity.
because the Native Americans didn't have documents, they just carved shit into cliffs

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Fort_Laramie_(1851)
Look what the US thought of so called treaties.

Respecting their boundaries and not trying to take every inch of land? Realizing Manifest Destiny is a cultish ideal that America had a "divine right: to all of North America? Parlaying with them as you would another equal nation?

>equal nation
But they weren't equal and they weren't a nation. They were a bunch of warring tribes. Some of them were more peaceful than others, yeah, but none of them were equal. Once again you reveal your ignorance with this idea of some Native American nation. To this day some tribes still hate each other over ancient conflicts.

I bet you cry every time you see the white demographic shrink in the US, huh Goebbels?

>them being told not to continue their ancient way of life was tanamount to a slow death
Realistically, it had to happen some time. You can't stay untouched hunter-gatherers forever while the rest of the human race advances. At best you become a zoo exhibit, at worst you become another land of poverty and misery that the 1st world has to send aid and medicine to.

remember when the Huron genocided their 'fellow tribes' from modern day montreal to illinois?

>Europe was stuck in constant cycles of famine, a fricked economy and extreme poverty
>implying

was stuck in constant cycles of famine, a fricked economy and extreme poverty
yes and its not even a joke
like this anon says

This is unequivocally true though, Europeans were saved by crops like corn and potatoes from the vicious cycles of malnutrition and famine. I think people forget that most of Europe isn't "fertile" especially for large sums of wheat. Potatoes and corn were far heartier than anything else and could produce massive yields similar to wheat. It's what fueled and fed their struggling populations.

it was also a reason why industrial evolution happen(also a reason of over population in china, india and africa and even china floods is caused by it)

>Sounds like God smiled on Europe.
on israelites especially
usa was and is a blight on Europe, judeo golem that only exist to profit from misery of fellow white man

>when you steal and extract so much silver at the expense of slaves and natives you frick your own economy
LOL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Price_revolution

Shipmaking, good Iron, and pack animals are what gave Europeans like 95 percent of their edge. In places like Asia, shipbuilding was lesser and places with bad iron had to workarounds, it wasn't a universal thing.

from wakanda obviously, jk
from Phoenicians... I mean israelites

That's my point though.
Those developments only happened after the conquest of the Americas
So it's hilarious to theory craft a timeline where Europe somehow became relevant without the colonization of the Americas and developed similarly to form those alliances only now to send "aid" to the poor Native American savages.
I think you're just failing to understand that and the underlying humour behind it.

>Europe was only rich because they went to the new world and stole everything
Why weren't the indians rich and powerful if they had it all from the start?

So then it wasn't the resources, it was the different way of life, culture, and philosophical thought. They already had a higher level of development. They were successful to begin with and only expanded upon their successes with further resources from abroad.

You say "they had their own black death" as of Europeans didn't have... the Black Death.
They were still way more advanced, more technologically developed. There wasn't even signs of progress with the indian tribes in thousands of years.

Signs of progress relative to what?
Who defines what progress is?
To you it's a game of civilization where you're building up to the (now)
But that's not at all how technology or "progress" works.
Also, I'm only making a comparison to the black death so people understand this wasn't a walk in the park. It was actually worse than it, all things considered.
Since they had entire cultures and generations completely killed off. Meaning that oral traditions became muddied and the passed down knowledge started to become lost.
Where in Europe some towns might have been abandoned, in the Americas it meant entire peoples. Gone.

>NOOOOOOOOO I WANT TO HECKIN STARVE AND FREEZE ITS MUH CULTURINO AAAAHHHHHHH SAVE ME Black personMAN

if they were cool, why'd they get conquered?

Jesus christ you children are so fricking moronic about everything.
The terms First/Second/Third word are terms that were created during the cold war to identify which phere of influence you were in.
The first world was the west/nato countries.
The second world was the soviet sphere.
The third world was everyone else.
It has frick all to do with economics or human development and is just about which side of the cold war you were on.
You people sound like fricking idiots when you insist on using vocabulary you don't understand.

no one cares about that anymore
everyone on here is still only concerned with 1st world issues both the historical meaning and the new meaning
get over yourself

Damn bro.. it's almost like they were recovering from a massive disease outbreak that absolutely destroyed them.
Euros are the only people who would see entire abandoned settlements, countless dead/dying natives and think to themselves "God did this for me :)" absolute psychopaths.
Where other races might show compassion with intent to help or preserve other humans the Anglo only thinks of personal greed

>mayflower settlers literally set up shop in Squanto's old deserted village, god did this
Why Squanto put up with them, I don't know.

>muh wheat no grow here
>Indians show hoe fishing for mussels work, gib squash and corn
>The second the first generation dies, time for death war

They're such "shitholes" that they manage to control nearly the entire world. Riddle me this, how does a shithole conquer the entire world?

They weren't though.
When the spanish got to south america they brought their diseases with them that killed 95% of the population in the Americas.
Prior to that they had an HDI better than anywhere in europe.
I know you're a moronic edgy teenager but you genuinely have no idea what they frick you're talking about.

If you pretend to be stupid for long enough, then you're not really pretending anymore.

Trying way too hard. You're entering kang territory. Of course the unga bunga that couldn't be bothered to discover wheels or metallurgy in between two mass ritual human sacrifices were superior to the big meany stupid whitey. Its all written in the doodles that made their literature. They were only ten years away from becoming a type II civilization. Superpower by 1530. Then the virus came. Unfortunately they didn't practice social distancing and Russian bots promoted anti vaxers propaganda which destroyed the rules based order of our democracy.

the indians did it too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Fort_William_Henry#Massacre

Montcalm, before agreeing to these terms, tried to make sure that his Indian allies understood them and that the chiefs would undertake to restrain their men. The process was complicated by the diversity within the Indian camp, which included some warriors who spoke languages that were not understood by any European present. The British garrison was then evacuated from the fort to the entrenched camp, and Monro was quartered in the French camp. The Indians then entered the fort and plundered it and butchered some of the wounded and the sick left behind by the British.[32] The French guards posted around the entrenched camp were only somewhat successful at keeping the Indians out of that area, and it took much effort to prevent plunder and scalping there. Montcalm and Monro initially planned to march the prisoners south the following morning, but after seeing the Indian bloodlust, they decided to attempt the march that night.

The next morning, even before the British column had begun to form up for the march to Fort Edward, the Indians renewed attacks on the largely defenceless British. At 5 a.m., Indians entered huts in the fort that housed wounded British, who were supposed to be under the care of French doctors, and the Indians killed and scalped them.[33] Monro complained that the terms of capitulation had been violated, but his contingent was forced to surrender some of its baggage to be able even to begin the march. As the British marched off, they were harassed by the swarming Indians, who snatched at them, grabbed for weapons and clothing, and pulled away with force those that resisted their actions, including many of the women, children, servants, and slaves.[33] As the last of the men left the encampment, a war whoop sounded, and a contingent of Abenaki warriors seized several men at the rear of the column.[33]

You and I both know that if the Native Americans had the technology and the organization, they would have invaded Europe in exactly the same manner, especially if they showed up right after the Black Plague (which was roughly the same situation in North America when Euros arrived)

Escape the tyranny of their homelands by murdering innocent native villages? Sounds like a shitty, awful people, maybe they don't need freedom if that's what they do with it.

Also lol, look at the reservations and indian pops of today and do some basic history, the Americans and Europeans did it way more, MAGAt.

Cope and Seethe, you live on stolen land and benefit from horrific sins commited by your ancestors. White man not the perfect race after all.

Look at the people of Sentinel Island.
That would be the injuns today if White people never showed up.

This. Anyone who studied history beyond the high school level can tell you that people made up all sorts of reasons to wage war. A while ago it was civilizing german barbarians. Yesterday it was bringing democracy to destablized middle eastern countries.

So the same as your average American? Also the US government deliberately encouraged sale of alcohol to indians as they knew it caused mass dependency

Difference between small ritual drinks a few native groups did, and Barry, 64, who downs 12 small beers a day.
Look what happened to the modern midwest when opiods got popular, same thing.

The government pushing a drug on an unsuspecting group is ABSOLUTELY an excuse. The whole fricking opium wars was because of this. Alcoholism in the Reses today are from a line of alcoholics brought on from it.

When I give you alcohol in exchange for land, it's a dishonest, scamlike transaction. It is used to make groups more exploitable and to have eager user bases, damn well knowing what it does to communities. People unaware of what a drug is capable of are easy marks, so it is definitely in bad faith.
Romans and Greeks both knew what wine is and its daily use, most Natives didn't consume large amounts of alcohol regularly pre contact.

And the British just left mounds of Opium near the Indian border or sold it at a cheap price to the Chinese, its just there they don't have to smoke it right? Dumb and disingenuous.

>its just there they don't have to smoke it right?
Literally yes. If I put a bunch of drugs on your porch and you smoke them all, whose fault is that?

James Bond went to China and, using his clever gadgets, forced every Chinaman to smoke opium

People with hundreds of years of knowledge on alcohol versus people being introduced to it in one generation is not equivalent and never will be. To the Natives it was new and so they didn't have hundreds of years of insight on what drinking too much was. One generation was all the US needed to strip them of land, burn their villages, rape and murder any who protested, and send the stragglers to Oklahoma.

Only ritually and in small doses, like for the elite in the case of the Aztecs. Hard liquor, lots of it, they did not have.

what is funny that whole concept of constitution or rights was stolen from indios

Nice. Stop at a cool diner or something for me.

I heard some strange stuff but nothing too notable or spooky to make a good story. Probably just the wind and various animals. Some strange smells, but again probably just the decaying structure. Some people died there but not a ton, from what I understand