I am not excited for this show at all. I know they're going to shit up the NCR, if not outright having the faction die off they're going to turn it into some allegory for real life politics. This poster is all I need to see to know that this show will be mid at best, and unwatchable at worst. This poster screams to me
>WE WUZ FALLOUT N SHIEEET
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That JRR Tolkien quote will always be relevant until TV finally dies
What quote?
"Bitches be trippin"
"Can't evil create shit"
t. Jrr Tolkien, who famously wrote about an evil guy creating a ring.
>sauron invented rings
>"Creating a ring" is the same as "inventing the very concept of rings"
Frick off ESL
>does not understand the context of "create" in the quote he's arguing about
>calls other people ESL
to be fair people always misquote him, that's not exactly what he said
>amazon original
>Everyone survives a pyroclastic flow
The single dumbest part of that show which is saying a lot.
You tried justifying your actions just to end the post with "I won't watch a show with blacks in it"
Do better
Fallout always had black people in it, and it's never a problem. The fact you defaulted to black people shows more about you than me.
Then what's with the we wuz shit at the end?
Intent. He's not a character, he's a quota. Why are you ok with your race being treated as objects you Uncle Tom?
you're just racist
the fact you're not upset over them not correcting that mistake means you're lost
I won't watch a show with israeli propaganda in it.
I won't watch a show that I know will take a bigger shit on the franchise than Bethesda has
Black person
There, about as much good as you deserve.
can modern writers do anything except "wacky quip-filled action-comedy"? this looks more like borderlands than even fallout 3 or 4
wacky quip-filled action-comedy actually fits for fallout tbqh
I think it's more that writers of these vidya adaptations will see the game they're adapting and create a generic and moronic script using one of a few presets
>sci fi show where the genocidal aliens are misunderstood and humans are the real monsters for having a military
>wacky and goofy adventure about [generic misfit gang] who romp around the world saying the names of things that exist in the IP
>generic kids' movie about [brand mascot] coming into the human world and battling the villain from the games
you get the picture
It looks like it's emulating the games pretty well with a fish out of water vault dweller coming into the wasteland to solve political conflicts
What am I supposed to be seeing here?
The problem is that they don't look like NCR in the slightest
They literally look more like Gunners from fallout 4
Let me remind you that NCR had uniforms and issued weapons
The NCR is in this show? Todd is going to put his grubby little manlet hands on them?
The entire point of the show is to override the classic canon.
>It looks like it's emulating the games pretty well with a fish out of water vault dweller coming into the wasteland to solve political conflicts
Bethesdrone pls
Its vidya, you can hardly ruin it storywise
It's west coast Fallout. There's only story.
This is what Wizards of the Coast like do. Oh, a fantasy world where we could use the wildest plot a writer can come up with? Yeah let's make combat wheelchairs and modules about 'the college experience'
>why yes I've only played fallout 4, how did you know?
even Fallout 2 with all its pop culture references wasn't that
even bethesda's fallout respected the moments when it tried to be dramatic and kept the wacky shit out of the main plot, have a nice day shill homosexual.
No
Honestly, no. I wanted to believe in a Fallout series in line with A Boy And His Dog, a film that cost almost nothing to make and helped inspire the basic ideas behind Fallout. But modern writers, who all graduate with movie degrees and work for MBAs, absolutely refuse to write anything other than a low value (bad) comedy because it doesn't require any effort or inspiration. It's just a cheap cartoon, which is all they wanted to make.
Good point, they should reference the media that influenced the series, it would probably translate better to directors and tv gays.
You should give Red Star a watch.
can you give a link to where i can read up on it? wikipedia gives 0 hits outside of some 1908 book
Nuka Break follows on from this story if you end up enjoying the premise.
ah that one. yeah i watched it yesterday when i read someone recommending it. i enjoyed it
That might've been me again since I binged it a few days ago kek.
i thought so tbh lmao. thanks for the rec, i'll make sure to watch nuka break
>The soccer coach of an amateur club has financial difficulties. He has one minor employment after another, but the employment office denies him any additional allowances because he did not correctly declare his work hours.
>Director Yohan Manca Writer Yohan Manca Stars Abel Jafri Judith Chemla Antoine Burlet
I did, and I enjoyed it. I prefer smaller stories though, although I'll admit that a "small" fallout story is just a western at best and a sci-fi art film at worst. Neither appeal to general audiences anymore, and studios will only finance something that is basically a marvel cartoon because that's what they expect to make money. When it flops, they just continue doing it until it does make money or they move on to the next franchise to destroy.
That is why I could see this being the best place for indiegays to take the lead since they aren't beholden to anyone outside of their own love for the idea. Any major company is going to have their balls placed firmly in a vice so they can't move beyond the checklist demands since it isn't their money on offer. Comparatively if you had a Niel Breen like individual pumping out a selection of works nobody can really stop him without firing out C&Ds like a c**t. If the main company that holds the right won't do it the fans can pick up the slack. Worked for the likes of 40k for the time before GW starting having autism fit about it.
Talk to me about Half Life fanfiction. It was a robust scene although it died out, largely due to inaction and indifference by Valve. If Bethesda was remotely intelligent (they aren't) they'd just finance a Fallout Legends series and not have any continuity between each episode. As dumb as it is, it could probably work if they just explicitly state it all as non-canon or sub-canon, similar to what George Lucas did with all Star Wars expanded universe.
But this also requires an ounce of thought and creative ingenuity within Bethesda and movie studios they contract to, which will never happen because both attract the worst sorts of people least equipped to write movies.
Another alternative could be a Love Death + Robots anthology series so you can have different kinds of design formats to align with the scattered nature of the narrative. One could be a very cheap MSpaint looking set up following the following the origins of a raider tribe contrasted against a higher quality full 3D animation showing off the campaign of a isolated BoS patrol.
whats with all the ncr cucks around here?
>not Adrien Brody
its oger
Why even have him show up? so the soys can point at the screen and basedface at "IT'S HECKIN MR HOUSE!!!"?
He's being played by two actors according to IMDB. There's a very real chance one is playing his body and that he's going to get killed off in the show.
>not using an AI Rene Aubergine
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If they ever try to use AI necromancy on Odo I will begin construction on a second killdozer promptly. Let that man and his wonderful journeyman career die in peace.
her eyes are so big
>this show will be mid at best
that's the best Fallout fans can hope for anyways
>I'm not excited for this show at all
Then why did you make a post about it, anon?
Because I like fallout, but everything after New Vegas was dogshit. Even down to merchandise sucks shit.
Choosing between bethesda fanfic and actual fanfic I'll choose actual fanfic
My actual fanfic is better than yours
NOTHING we've seen makes it look like it'll be bad stop coping
You mean except the full scene they showed? The one that was just quips and shit writing?
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Here’s Todd talking about it
>NOTHING we've seen makes it look like it'll be bad
>Avellone finally gets to see his dream of seeing the NCR destroyed come true
Absolutely based, he won
It all just feels so... forced. Like it's not an organic mind making it.
right, like they have a checklist or template, and squish it down on top of a setting.
>"We need a strong queer female-presenting person, what aspect of fallout would be a good vehicle for that?"
>FO4 combat armor pauldron
>NV vet ranger chestplate
>modern PASGT helmet
Did they even try
>FO4 combat armor pauldron
guy on the right is wearing full combat armor, the woman on the left is wearing some combination of leather armor and combat armor
>NV vet ranger chestplate
none of them are wearing desert ranger or ranger armor, which the veteran rangers use, and it would not make sense for them because they are the faction that is unique to mojave because they are a combination of NCR Rangers and the Desert Rangers
the commander of the NCRA in Mojave is a female, the whole point of the NCR is that they are meritocratic and let women fight or lead if they prove capable.
>I can't think of a single game that was about that. Not even Bethesda's.
well we can start with vault city, who does not let in ghouls or mutants. you have to leave them outside because the guards won't let them in if you're travelling with companion of either. likewise the jacobstown is like a refugee center because the mutants can't go anywhere without getting shot, and the NCR being hostile against mutants is an open secret, and they have to go to westside with the junkies and marginalized if they want any shelter
>vault city
Not the main quest
>jacobstown
Not a conflict of have haves and have nots, you imbecile. Supermutants terrorized the wasteland 80 years ago, there's a generational trauma involved plus mutants are incredibly dangerous beings with a penchant for violence, and a lot of them are gullible and/or insane.
Also not a main quest, dumbass
city
>Not the main quest
the frick are you talking about?
Go play fallout 2, Black person. You're lead to Vault City by Vic telling you he got his water flasks from Ed in VC.
VC itself will send you on a long wild goose chase so that you can eventually access Vault 8's computer which sends you to Vault 15 where you will get the location of Vault 13.
>Go play fallout 2, Black person
You go, you apeiodic mongrel
You don't need to visit Vault City to beat the game
anything not part of the current WR speedrun is not part of fallout new vegas confirmed
>part of fallout new vegas
>moved the goal from "part of the main quest"
lol
so you are just arguin semantics then and you know it.
main quest of new vegas is meeting the factions then deciding who you wanna side with, it's not you speed glitching through the air to meet the "obligatory" flags to activate the possibility to achieve end credits
>so you are just arguin semantics then and you know it.
I'm arguing that the main quest consists of the parts that are obligatorily to it, you then tried to move the goalposts
those women would be being raped senseless in an apocalyptic scenario, not leading fricking armed combat units
frick this shit
Maybe true, probably is, but most people don't want to deal with subject matter like that in the media they consume unless it provides some kind of commentary or statement about it.
>those women would be being raped senseless in an apocalyptic scenario
gotta sell them off to the fiends first
Whyyy does it always look the same kind of cheap and shit all the time????? I'm sick to death of it!!
what
The costumes and sets and the way the fricking color grading works for Amazon shows is shit
looks fine to me. better than any source material for sure
Ah yes I forget that plastic pauldrons were a staple in my Fallout playthroughs.
Pixels are not made of plastic
>looks fine to me
Maybe check an optometrist?
Are they meant to be NCR? Or Gunners? Leftmost looks like she's wearing a fricking bowler hat lmao
I think it's meant to be a beret. Could be worse, it could be a flat cap instead.
bro your chinese sleeper cells???
>it could be a flat cap instead
A fricking newsboy hat would be hilarious. Get a touch of Piper in the show.
>a fricking RPK
>in AMERICA
Not even an RPK but an RPD even if you look at the handguard which makes it even more rare in a way, it is probably supposed to be representing the Chink AK from Fallout 3 which has a very similar handguard to the RPD.
Still moronic
>black
I realize what's so offputting about this dumb fricking cover.
>random identifiable objects from the games flying around like they're being blown apart
>it's just bottlecaps and a box of sugar bombs
noticed the same thing. it makes no sense. you're just supposed to see caps and a bobblehead and clap
Yes.
It’s sloppa made for morons like DSP who will point at the screen, screech “ACK ACK ACK I MEMBER THAT THAT’S A LASER RIFLE” then go back to their normie jobs
CAESAR IS COMING.
BUT WE WONT LET HIM
White girl mc
Black guy will probably be her best friend / fricker
old nasty white guy
seriously frick this shit man frick this world when they do shit like this frick off!!!!!!!
Why would you be? Anytime Amazon have done something with an established franchise it's been goyslop like Wheel of Time or Lord of the Rings, and Fallout has been slop ever since Bethesda got their hands on it. Even New Vegas is slop compared to 1 and 2 as much as the zoomers who only played it will claim otherwise.
Bethesda has sloplike traits but it really isn't
if you want to be taken seriously, stop saying words like "slop" because it makes you look like a fricking moron.
You call things cringe everyday though right?
I want to watch it because in essence, it has potential to be a decent show.
The main executive producer is Jonathan Nolan, the cinematographer is Stuart Dryburgh and the composer is Ramin Djawadi. They have been involved in HBO shows in a way or another so they are top of their game.
The problem is that Amazon Studios and Todd Howard are involved. It might look cheap and cliché
The cinematography in the trailer is pure kino. The shot of the soldiers lines up with the priest looking dude in the back and the shot behind the MC looking out across the wasteland and framed by something especially look good
>The main executive producer is Jonathan Nolan, the cinematographer is Stuart Dryburgh and the composer is Ramin Djawadi
Weren't these three all involved in that dogshit Westworld show?
The first season was good. I was hoping that these were the tards who worked on it.
>The first season was good
Yeah and then they torpoed it to oblivion
Yes, Jonathan Nolan and Ramin Djawadi worked together on Westworld. The show was never bad but it became less interesting after season 2.
You can't blame Ramin for that though, he composed great tracks for it as well as Game of Thrones and House of the Dragon
Now I know you're a writer for the dogshit show. Everyone fricking hated it after the first season.
>The show was never bad
It was dogshit after Hopkins died
Wait until you see the writing credits for the writers. Any hope is going to fricking plummet.
Walton Goggins is a good actor but I can already tell the ghoul is going to be a cringy BADASS
What the hell is this thing, the blip boy 2999?
You'd think the props/costume department wouldn't cheap out on something so iconic to the series, even using the fo4 special edition pip boys would've been a better choice than this abomination
They should have used the kino pipboy
what's this from? also that's not pimp boy 3000
It’s pipboy from 76. One of the few times they threw Classic fans a bone
>pimp boy 3000
>3000
You sicken me
ah, 3 billion. lmao, even better. sorry i haven't played new vegas since 2018
>You'd think the props/costume department wouldn't cheap out on something so iconic to the series
Isn't that their main priority? You don't put any modicum of effort into something as a gay as a videogame TV adaption. You just siphon the cash off to your friends while they fart out some crap they found in the garbage somewhere.
>muh women doing things men do in a post-apoc society, all with nice hair and perfectly straight, white, teeth
never fails
>they're going to turn it into some allegory for real life politics.
Yeah that would be totally out of place in Fallout haha kys dumb fricking ape
You know what kind of politics we're talking about, the NCR is an allegory for the modern US yes, that's not the kind of politics that's the problem.
NCR is an allegory and its history in FNV draws inspiration from multiple things from US history like manifest destiny, vietnam war, project 100,000 but it's not a propaganda bludgeon where Aaron Kimball being Grongald Grumpf promising to make mojave great again.
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The jacket goes past the hip line, fastener or buttons are covered with a fly to increase durability, breastplate and shoulder pads are strapped on top of the jacket, same as the utility belt.
middle one has a scarf while the left one uses a tube scarf
Now Post the fallout 4 "assault rifle" and not the real lewis gun.
So It's 9 years after Fallout 4, and apparently set in LA? Wasn't shit relatively fine there in New Vegas time period?
Its probably set in LA for easy filming issues and not having to pretend its somewhere else, as I assume they wanna show wrecked landmarks. It certainly isn't there to appease classic Fallout fans or be New Vegas 2, like some of you lads are hoping
There's talk by certain NPCs that the NCR is struggling with resources from rapidly expanding too much, but other than that, most of Southern California should be doing just dandy.
It's sucks because even the stock NCR Uniform is so much better than this.
I love the look of the NCR uniform, but I wonder what I'm looking at.
You're looking at a BDU (likely pre-war, everything NCR uses pretty much is) and an incredibly shitty, likely civilian grade (read: scam) plate carrier. Nothing seems confusing, other than it actually matching when it's almost certainly scavenged.
Makes sense, my main hang up is the different texture that's underneath the chestpiece itself. Besides that I imagine it's the best the NCR could conceive for adapting to the wind and sand-worn environment of Vegas.
>blouse and trousers are loose to allow protection against the sun and the heat
>bloused or covered up at the neck and extremities to keep sand out
>wide brimmed helmet for additional protection against the sun
I always assumed the chestpiece was layers of leather. But thanks for your perspective on the jacket underneath, it looks too distinct to match the arms.
I could be completely wrong since it is just passing interest in world war period uniforms, but the left one in
gives me these vibes in pic rel.
I get that, a more discolored blouse in comparison to the trousers. I think I might be also moronic and maybe mistaking the blouse as a whole thanks to the texture on the arms and torso below the armor.
>and an incredibly shitty, likely civilian grade (read: scam) plate carrier.
It's not even that good it's just a leather chest piece worn over a burlap sack. The average NCR conscript has about as much protection as a base level Legionshitter. The only ones that get the real good stuff are the NCR rangers. Meanwhile General Oliver's discount power armor battalions are essentially walking trashcans with a side of exploding knees since they gutted most of the hydraulic systems out. They have to watch for pinching and turning into human reverse legs since they are using the heavier T-45 variants that were more steel than anything else.
I like to think intact salvaged Advanced Power Armor from the Enclave exists on brahmin baron ranches or resorts, while the NCR military had to deal with glorified platemail.
That and the T-51b. In their eyes it would seem like a waste to give that technology out to the thousands of plebs who exist within the NCR. Where their options are either dying for the expansionist mantra or shoveling brahmin by the cart load. And people thought the families of New Reno were a pack of homosexuals.
I always figured they're somewhat similar to desert uniforms we have nowadays, or rather in the recent past.
The top vest thing is likely something like kevlar (i assume if they can get that), and the jacket underneath would be thick material to stop chafing and to protect the body against scrapes rather than gunfire.
>Joshua Sawyer: "'Who thought up of the World War I-era helmet uniform in the NCR?' That was me working with Brian Menze, I believe."
>"Any reason Brian and I chose the World War One outfits? Um, there is like a neat kind of distinctive deserty vibe, especially like the Australian, like the Anzac type of uniforms that we saw. They just had a neat kind of vibe to them. They seemed, they had their first, you know, first half of the 20th century vibes. They kind of fit well in the desert. Um, yeah, we just thought they had the right vibe to them, is kind of the idea. Um..."
Oh well now I do feel vindicated, nice.
>There's talk by certain NPCs that the NCR is struggling with resources from rapidly expanding too much, but other than that, most of Southern California should be doing just dandy.
I keep seeing this brought up, but it's entirely from 2 or 3 throw away lines that are in universe speculation. Even Caesar and Lanius themselves say a defeat of the NCR at Hoover Dam wouldn't destroy the NCR nation, and the best they can hope for is to push them back to the Long 15.
But it's all a moot point anyway as
pointed out. Bethesda doesn't give a shit about internal consistency or logic, they think Fallout is just a few aesthetics they need to keep repeating over and over and over again.
>Bethesda
>Caring about the lore of previous games
>Being consistent
>Meme arrow.
> So It's 9 years after Fallout 4, and apparently set in LA? Wasn't shit relatively fine there in New Vegas time period?
Nope, in fact, one of the soldiers at Camp Golf mentions LA sucks, and is some place few people know about.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Boneyard#cite_note-12
> The Courier: "So, what's your story?"
>Razz: "Ain't much to tell. Grew up out west, in the Boneyard. Heard of it? Yeah, not many people have. Wasn't really a good place for kids, you know? I joined up to get out. My family's still back there."
I assume it's like a ghetto, and if the ncr collapsed it would be even worse off.
Todd Howard is involved so dont know why you lads think this will even do much with anything New Vegas.
It already has that dumbass flying ship from Fallout 4. Expect Bethesda style and nothing else. Ncr will just be that small group of women for part an episode if that's even them
>from Fallout 4
uhm they are actually from tactics
All the brotherhood airships from tactics were destroyed, not to mention they didn't look like the shitheap abomination of the prydwen
>ncr dies
best case scenario, new vegas made them a bunch of helpless morons.
Don't a lot of people say in New Vegas anyway their rapid expansion was going to kill them anyway? They just kept expanding out and barely fixing shit along the way, it was going to collapse at some point.
idk I ignored all NCR npcs after they acted like 6 raiders in primm was a problem and i went in there with a tire iron and cleared the town.
Something as complex as the NCR can't just collapse in a couple of years. It was formed by the union of different cities in southern California, and they would certainly be interested in maintaining it, since they benefited much from it. The worst case scenario would be a reduction to the original borders, not a complete return to primitives and raiders. Why would southern Californians want to tear up their empire? As for the rest of the country, there are big cities everywhere that would step in to fill the power vacuum, everyone wouldn't just instantly turn into raiders. The hoboworld that Todd wants to create simply wouldn't exist even in the worst scenario.
There are five companies that would stand to lose a lot on the complete collapse of the NCR core regions. I highly doubt they would let the whole thing go up in smoke without a sufficient reason like getting glassed themselves:
>The Gun Runners whose primary location is straight out of the Boneyard. They are the industrial base for weapons development and one of the few organizations that are stepping into the realms of R&D. Able to create entirely original designs based on their accumulated knowledge in regards to ballistic weapons development.
>The Followers who despite their crimes of being radicals still hold a morale obligation towards the citizenry of the greater NCR. Many of whom they had elevated beyond the level of shit sniffing scavengers and dirt scratchers.
>Crimson Caravan one of the oldest and most ruthless of the merchant companies of which they have their fingers in a lot of pies spanning from the West and abroad.
>Van Graffs if they don't get murked at the end of FNV stand to become one of the most influential families to corner the market on energy weapons. Giving enough time they may become a direct competitor to the Gun Runners in the global arms race.
>The Hub Water Merchants one of the oldest merchant houses on the West Coast. If they are still going at this point they would be amongst the most important for any burgeoning nation looking to extend beyond their own borders. From what little can be gleaned from FNV the core regions had been completely drained of fresh water sources due to exhaustion by the Brahmin Barons and the general growing pains that comes from elevating a nation state beyond the 100k milestone.
If you can find away to wipe out the above every settlement from San Fran to Gecko will become easy pickings or they will simple devolve into petty city states squabbling over trash. Primary candidates to annexation by the BoS since they never spread themselves as thin with their internalized hierarchy.
If Todd kills off the NCR to create Caesar's ideal synthesis I will actually kneel.
>He thinks the legion will even be mentioned
Even if they did show up they would be treated as cartoonishly evil and be constantly humiliated for being hecking misogynists.
But the Legion ARE cartoonishly evil misogynists. 90% of the characters in NV joke that they're all gays because they hate women so much. And they do the cartoon villain thing of killing their own guys when they fail once.
Tbf Graham didn't just fail, he almost destroyed all of the legion forces in his mad rush to boulder. Vulpes mentions that it took them 5 years to regain the same numbers.
They don't even need to kill the NCR, just to a Legion story in New Mexico or just regular Mexico, which was the plot of the original Interplay F3. I'm into this idea, and it doesn't even offend the existing canon trilogy or Bethesda's nu-trilogy.
https://www.denofgeek.com/tv/fallout-tv-series-video-game-adaptation/
>“We always knew we wanted to pay proper homage to the games by having a Vault Dweller going to the surface for the first time,” Robertson-Dworet tells Den of Geek magazine when we catch up with the showrunners ahead of SXSW 2024, where the series has an activation called Filly, a post-apocalyptic “shanty town” where festivalgoers can experience firsthand the unique world of Fallout. “Lucy comes from this very privileged, civilized vault. It’s a place that prides itself on how peaceful, civilized, and kind everyone is to each other.”
Get ready to see the white girl constantly lectured on how privileged she is
https://www.esquire.com/uk/culture/tv/a46569272/fallout-tv-show-cast-release-date/
>“The games are about the culture of division and haves and have-nots that, unfortunately, have only gotten more and more acute in this country and around the world over the last decades,” Nolan tells Vanity Fair for this exclusive first look.
>In the Fallout universe, the human beings fortunate enough to ride out the apocalypse in underground communities only had that option available to them because they had money. Forcing doe-eyed Lucy out into this sadistic, Darwinian remnant of civilization opens the door for Fallout to engage in some social satire as well as action and adventure.
Lads... They made fallout political
Your homosexual "culture war" trash is not politics. It's just you trannies being morons.
Then don't play fallout. Because places like vault city and the hub touch on the exact same "culture war" stuff you hate.
>Because places like vault city and the hub touch on the exact same "culture war" stuff you hate.
Shit, I forgot about how Vault City was about trans people
Can you go 10 minutes without thinking about trans penises? Vault city is about the darwinian social satire that interview mentioned
>Can you go 10 minutes without thinking about trans penises?
Can you?
>Vault city is about the darwinian social satire that interview mentioned
As we know, Vault City was the main quest in 2. And 1 and 3, 4 and NV
>vault membership based on money
Ignoring all the vaults with membership based on shit like age, gender, profession, literally one fricking guys ideal toys, etc.
Didn't 4 even open with your character having a vault tec salesman asking if you wanted to sign up to 111's list? I don't think you even paid him or had payment come up. Your character didn't seem particularly rich.
Yes payment isn't brought up because you're specifically chosen due to having a baby. Vault tec needed to test its cryotec on babies since all the vaults are dry runs for space craft.
If I recall, the Vault-Tec rep says the SS and their family is eligible because of their military service. Outside of one or maybe a few vaults that required it as part of their criteria for whatever experiment (like the one that tested rich people living in cramped, non-luxury surroundings), I don't recall there ever being a mention of needing money to secure access to any vault as the non-control vaults wanted specific groups depending on the experiment.
Unless she's in a control vault (pretty sure some were just as advertised) or the experiment never happened (4 has a vault where they wanted to try and make a universal cure by infecting the population with random shit to run tests until the overseer sabotaged it) I wouldn't consider her that privileged, and one of the trailers shows a vault with it's residents going schizo and murdering each other.
101 was the control test vault i thought?
101 wasn't a control vault, the experiment was that the Overseer had absolute authority and they were never meant to open up the doors and stay isolated forever (and then you find out the overseer before Amata's dad did open it up, and Amata's dad opened it himself to let James and the Lone Wanderer in because they had no doctor at the time). The average vault was meant to open back up at some point and let people back out to the world. Vault 76 was a control vault.
I thought 76 was a colonization study, since they have the C.A.M.P.s
It's a control Vault in that it worked exactly as advertised.
>Ignoring that Vaults were for the most part fricking weirdo-science experiments by Vault Tec where 90% of them suffered some tragic end by way of their creators implementing a multitude of cruel/unusual systems to see if anything unorthodox would survive the apocalypse
Holy fricking shit it's DOA. Not even the starter vaults in most games are fricking ideallic gated communities
the "vaults are le wacky science experiments" is BY FAR the WORST part of Fallout and I am very glad that it is getting shit on.
So, what are the purpose of the Vaults?
Wasn't it to gather data for when rich people frick off the planet after the government and Vault-Tec realized there simply weren't enough Vaults for everyone?
Apparently it was a retcon because someone pointed out to Tim Cain there would not be enough vaults to possibly save everyone, so the Enclave wanted data while they built a generation ship to frick off to a new planet.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Multi-generational_starship
Ok, so that makes a lot of sense. And we can still have the more weird Vaults because maybe a Vault-Tec Big Wig or one of their Scientists was like "There's a 1000 Vaults, I'm sure they won't notice us frick with a few of them."
>its socialist lecturing propaganda
Dead on arrival
Are you really surprised?
>The games are about the culture of division and haves and have-nots that
You fricking mongrel moron
I can't think of a single game that was about that. Not even Bethesda's.
>The games are about the culture of division and haves and have-nots
No they are not, most of the game plots are quest for X object that lead to a foreign party that wants to take over the wasteland through means that resembled old world ways
>"vault dwellers are privileged rich white people"
>Fallout 4 (the only one the director is likely to have ever played) shows the protagonist is invited to the vault because he fought in a land war against the Chinese in the Alaskan wilderness
?????
even Fallout 3 showed any random family could get invited into a vault as long their application is approved
>Fallout 4 (the only one the director is likely to have ever played) shows the protagonist is invited to the vault because he fought in a land war against the Chinese in the Alaskan wilderness
Nolan has mentioned that he got hooked into the series with Fallout 3, and wated huge amounts of time in it.
Its also been mentioned that, while making the show, the main staff were made to play the old Fallout games as well.
So, they're liars and incompetent morons too. Checks out.
The Todd Squad
>The games are about the culture of division and haves and have-nots
Lol wut no they’re not
New Vegas and 2 certainly have those ideas as very central.
They really don't.
It's central on New Vegas, with the city as metaphorical oasis in a desert and a paradise denied to many, but it's not very central to 2.
It might be a theme in some of the games via certain quests and worldbuilding details but it’s not what the game is fundamentally about at its core.
I am excited for the fact that it will shit on the NCR and Legion. Who make up the majority of NV furgays.
Get you cards ready gentlemen
They wont get many supermutants because picrel. Ghouls maybe, but they also require effort ad resources.
Upper right is already confirmed
The guns are from 4 and so is that eyesore, the T-60 armor
what is the problem with utilizing the lewis gun design? it obviously works
>Not the main quest
vault city is part of the main quest
>Not a conflict of have haves and have nots
you forgot about the "culture of division" part? why do you think the mutants are ostracized? because their socioeconomic status or because of their obvious physical outlook?
>Supermutants terrorized the wasteland 80 years ago
so just like the enclave or every colonial power? except they terrorized the world for hundreds of years. yet today they are some of the founding members of anti war, pro peace organizations.
> there's a generational trauma involved plus mutants are incredibly dangerous beings with a penchant for violence
or, the generational trauma is exacerbated by the obvious distinct physical look, ie. division from the rest of the humans. ex-enclave can hide amongst the society and live peacefully, those from the master's army can never do that even if they provide intellectually aligned with the NCR because the NCR wants them out of their territory.
>mutants are incredibly dangerous beings with a penchant for violence
if you said "some" i would have agreed, but saying they all are is ignoring completely altruistics like marcus.
Can't believe that the ncr hires mercenaries to terrorise jacobstown and ncrgays simply brush over it?
>ncrgays simply brush over it?
as opposed to?
A couple literally whos paying some mercs to harass jacobstown is supposed to be the breaking point for one of several factions in NV that wants to exterminate super mutants?
Aside from the enclave who are basically a shell of themselves there's no one actively hunting down supermutants, not even the legion. Mean sonofab***h was literally tortured and almost killed near the Hub if not for Tabitha saving him.
The Courier is literally a mercenary the NCR hires to do jobs.
NCRgays have blinders on at all times in order to cope with their shit faction
>vault city is part of the main quest
No it isn't. What part of the main quest is obligatory in Vault City
>why do you think the mutants are ostracized?
Because they tried to conquer the world some time ago
>so just like the enclave or every colonial power?
Are you moronic? Can list me the colonial powers whose main objective was assimilation of people while eschewing natural resources? And the Enclace upper echelon wanted complete genocide of everything that wasn't them, unlike the Master and unlike any other "colonial power"
>or, the generational trauma is exacerbated by the obvious distinct physical look
Or, maybe it's the superior strength, tendency for violance and psychotic rage. I dunno.
>if you said "some" i would have agreed, but saying they all are is ignoring completely altruistics like marcus
It's embarassing how clearly you've never played any game besides maybe 4 or 3. Marcus good nature and acceptance of the situation doesn't change who he is, he'll happily tell the Chosen One how great servin the Master was and that he wishes Unity could've won
>No it isn't. What part of the main quest is obligatory in Vault City
why does it have to be obligatory? you can finish both fo2 and fo1 in less than 10min if you want to skip everything
>Because they tried to conquer the world some time ago
just like USA did, a founding member of NATO and UNICEF. just like the enclave did, the pepetrators of multiple conspiracies to try to erase all non enclave humanity.
>Can list me the colonial powers whose main objective was assimilation of people while eschewing natural resources?
almost all of them? what do you think gives the colonial powers the mandate to walk into a country and claim them as theirs? they are TRYING to assimilate them, by giving them whatever reason that makes them seem not-conquering invaders.
>And the Enclace upper echelon wanted complete genocide of everything that wasn't them, unlike the Master
so you think FEV dipping where 99% of cases turn into mindless robots is actually a humanitarian goal, and better than colonization? master's army are no more than mindless slaves, meant to serve the unity unquestionably.
>Or, maybe it's the superior strength, tendency for violance and psychotic rage. I dunno.
so what do you do about the 1% of mutants that are intelligent like marcus? you wanna kill them simply because prejudice. that is EXACTLY the point of racial discrimination and the mechanisms that propagate, in our world and the fallout world and you just perfectly exemplified it. good job.
>Marcus good nature and acceptance of the situation doesn't change who he is, he'll happily tell the Chosen One how great servin the Master was and that he wishes Unity could've won
link the dialog where he says that. i don't remeber that and i played fo2. he meets jacob way before you ever meet him in broken hills, at which point he's already a full altruist.
>why does it have to be obligatory?
Because that's definition of it being part of it. Arroyo is part of the main quest, the Oil Rig is part of the main quest. Vault City isn't.
>just like USA did
Okay, so you are moronic.
>almost all of them?
List them and show me when thet eschewed natural resources of conquered places.
>so you think FEV dipping where 99% of cases turn into mindless robots
What, no it doesn't. Why don't you play Falout game before commenting on a Fallout thread. First generation mutants that too affected by radition aren't robots, they're just dumb.
And where are you even getting these numbers?
>so what do you do about the 1% of mutants that are intelligent like marcus?
What about them?
>you wanna kill them simply because prejudice
Please, point me to when I said that.
>link the dialog where he says that
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/HcMARCUS.msg
>i don't remeber that and i played fo2
I'm sure you did. That's why you said Vault City was part of the main quest and didn't know Marcus talked about dipping Jacob in the vats
>And where are you even getting these numbers
not him but they say in fallout 1 that anyone that is radiated turns into morons. it's why they're looking for vault dwellers since they're not irradiated and every vault dweller can be turned into a smart super mutant like lou tenant
>not him but they say in fallout 1 that anyone that is radiated turns into morons
Yeah but he specifically said 99%. Where does that figure come from?
probably the fact that wastelanders outnumber vault dwellers by god knows what ratio
>Because that's definition of it being part of it. Arroyo is part of the main quest, the Oil Rig is part of the main quest. Vault City isn't.
so in your opinion, fallout 2 is nothing but running straight to san francisco, and fallout 1 is nothing but running to necropolis, west tek and the cathedral?
>show me when thet eschewed natural resources of conquered places.
what resources are the super mutants eschewing? they capture the human capital, and brahmin from the areas they occupy, they capture the weapons, everything possible they can use. even if they were just capturing the humans, ignoring the weapons and brahmin they capture, you can still say that they are both capturing manpower AND sustenance, because they can either eat or cannibalize them after they get dipped.
>First generation mutants that too affected by radition aren't robots, they're just dumb.
after you dip a human they become pacified and unquestioning and you call this being mindless. the liutenant is intelligent and manipulative, the footsoldiers are unquestioning and mindless or dumb, which ever way you want to phrase it. all of it is because the dipping process pacifying you.
>What about them?
what is this question? you said that prejudice causes anti-mutant sentiment. marcus wants nothing but safeguard mutants in face of NCR intervention, how is the anti mutant prejudice not affecting him in this case?
>Please, point me to when I said that.
right here
">Or, maybe it's the superior strength, tendency for violance and psychotic rage. I dunno."
you're claiming ALL of the mutants are prone to violence and psychosis, when it isn't true, but fo the NCR it might as well be because they see them all as same.
>Marcus talked about dipping Jacob
your argument is that marcus is at present a "violance and psychotic rage", when he isn't. does he show any hostility to you in NV? no
>so in your opinion, fallout 2 is nothing but running straight to san francisco
Again, stop making things up
Main quest I said and Main Quest I'm defining, it's not my problem you were wrong.
>what resources are the super mutants eschewing?
Their goal is assimilation not conquest. They ravaged every town and kill who they can't turn in the cut endings
>they capture the human capital
Doesn't exist. Actually play the game.
>after you dip a human they become pacified
They demonstrably don't.
>which ever way you want to phrase it
I'd phrase it in acorrect way and "mindless robots" isn't anything likei it. One of the mutants even has a human girlfriend, something you'd know if you had actually played the game.
>what is this question?
Do you want me to rephrase it with smaller words?
>you're claiming ALL of the mutants are prone to violence and psychosis
a) I never said all. b) that's not at all the same as "kill all mutants". Learn what words mean.
> argument is that marcus is at present a "violance and psychotic rage"
No it isn't. Learn to read. I said Marcus good nature doesn' change what he is and what I said about the mutants is to explain why they're so poorly received in human society, at no point I said anything abouta mutant genocide like you're claiming
And also nice backtracking on Marcus, the dialogue is right there to show he doesn't regret what he did
>Again, stop making things up
I think we need to be clear on this, if you say "its not obligatory for main quest" then what do you mean specifically? If you play the game normally, you get breadcrumbed to Vault City. ONLY if you know EXACTLY where to go are you able to go straight from Arroyo to SF then the Rig, this is a speedrunning strategy. NOT a way normal people play the game.
>if you say "its not obligatory for main quest" then what do you mean specifically?
Precisely what is written there. You can skip it
>you get breadcrumbed to Vault City
You get breadcumbed to several places. It doesn't make them part of the main quest.
>ONLY if you know EXACTLY where to go
No. 2 doesn't have a timelimit like 1, you can just explore by your own and there's wasy to find the geck without going to Vault City
>Precisely what is written there. You can skip it
you can skip it if you know the map coordinate to beeline to, while avoiding random encounters with 20 raiders, half of which wield burst weapons, random events with 10+ radscorpions, random events with 5 enclave PA units wielding miniguns, or random counters with super mutants wearing miniguns, meanwhile you are equipped with the stick from the temple of trials, and you will go last because of your low stats... sure you can make it if you save scrum a lot and avoid random encs, but this is not how the game is meant to be played. most will get killed by an end game random encounter and turn back.
>You get breadcumbed to several places. It doesn't make them part of the main quest.
you are just saying anything not part of a speedrun route is not part of the main quest, when this is just the side effect of the developers letting you skip parts if you want, for added replay value, and saying "It's not part of main quest because it isn't". If that's the case, then megaton isn't part of the main quest, even though the first objective points you there. Goodsprings isn't part of the main quest. Shady sands isn't part of the main quest.
>No. 2 doesn't have a timelimit like 1, you can just explore by your own and there's wasy to find the geck without going to Vault City
what does time limit have to do with your idea that skipping content with speedrun strats equates to what you think is "part of the game"? and for fallout 1, you can just rest to heal up as long as you extend the timer when you get to the hub, but make sure to kill the mutants before the attack.
>you can skip it
Yeah, you can
>you are just saying anything not part of a speedrun route is not part of the main quest
I'm saying anything that isn't obligatory to the main quest isn't part of the main quest
>Goodsprings isn't part of the main quest
You literally start at Goodsprings and can only leave Doc Mitchell's house after char creation. It's the definition of obligatory
>what does time limit have to do with your idea that skipping content
Because it means there's no game over for excessive exploring
>but make sure to kill the mutants before the attack
Yeah, but if you don't, and your playing the pre-patched version, it's game over
>I'm saying anything that isn't obligatory to the main quest isn't part of the main quest
so a feature of the game design, means it's not part of the game? you don't have to complete the legion ending to complete the main quest of NV, is legion not part of the game? is legion not part of the game?
>so a feature of the game design, means it's not part of the game?
How many times are you gonna desperately move the goalpost?
Part of the main quest is what's obligatorily to the main quest, like say Goodsprings in NV, your failed example.
Vault City isn't, so it's not part of it
what goal post did i move? ive been saying "part of the game" all this time, because we are both talking about the same thing and you know it. otherwise you are just trying to claim victory by saying that vault city is not sufficient as an example to show themes of a game because it's not included in the set list of flags you have to trigger to achieve end credits.
>ive been saying "part of the game" all this time
Yeah, which is a different goalpost
I said "part of the main quest" you then desperately tried to shift to "part of the game", which is obviously a different thing
the first post i made about this is
replying to
, obviously talking about the themes of the game, and not what is part of "ogligatory" to reach the end screen
> I never stated that whatever themes Vault City's quest have part of the game's themes, but that wasn't their claim their claim was that was "what Fallout was about" which is incorrect
so you agree you are talking about "what fallout is about", in this case why are you talking about some arbitrary flag condition you have to achieve to reach the end screen? what the game is about is about what is actually happening betwee the moment you start the game and when you get to the end credits. you can skip reading all dialogue in the game and pretend the games are just shooting galleries because it's not required to read the dialogue to beat the main quest, yet that's obviously you ignoring what the game is telling you.
>obviously talking about the themes of the game
What game, there's more than one
>and not what is part of "ogligatory" to reach the end screen
And yet you responded arguing about how it makes part of the main quest of Fallout 2 right here:
. Curious.
>so you agree you are talking about "what fallout is about
No.
> in this case why are you talking about some arbitrary flag condition you have to achieve to reach the end screen?
Because the what the overall series is about and what the themes that some of the the games have in some of their areas aren't the same thing
Same way "part of the main quest," and "part of the game" aren't the same thing
>And yet you responded arguing about how it makes part of the main quest of Fallout 2
because it does, as another poster pointed it out to you
you only made up your mind that it's not part of the game because it isn't "obligatory" later, since you didn't first start with it in your argument.
>No.
ok so what is your argument? because if it's that no part that is not obligatory to complete the main quest then it's not going to work. in that case, junktown is not fallout, shady sands, the formation of NCR is not fallout. yet, curiously, fallout 2 NCR exists. shady sands, exists. your argument boils down to "it isn't part of the game because it isn't na na na". i can decide that anything the enclave at the oil rig say is not part of the main quest because reading the dialog is not necessary to complete the main quest, only clicking the dialog boxes is necessary.
>Because the what the overall series is about and what the themes that some of the the games have in some of their areas aren't the same thing
Same way "part of the main quest," and "part of the game" aren't the same thing
ok but this too doesn't work, if we go with your logic then shady sands is not fallout because it isn't required. the birth place of NCR is not fallout according to u
>because it does,
It doesn't.
>part of the game
Goalpost moving.
>ok so what is your argument?
About?
>shady sands is not fallout
Another goalpost moving. "Not part of fallout", "not part of the main quest" and "not part of the game" aren't the same thing
funny to see your replies getting shorter and shorter, and you, abandoning your arguments one after another.
>About?
"I'm arguing that the main quest consists of the parts that are obligatorily to it, you then tried to move the goalposts"
And here your ruse falls apart. Shady sands is not obligatory, ergo. NCR's home is not fallout, according to you.
>funny to see your replies getting shorter and shorter, and you, abandoning your arguments one after another.
That's because you're getting stupider and more fallacious.
I didn't abandon a single argument, you did.
Marcus, the nature of the mutants, your imbecilic comparison between Unity and colonial powers, your incorrect assessment of the Enclave, all of them you dropped and all you have left is seethe about how Vault City isn't part of the main quest in 2, which you do by trying to move the goalposts
>And here your ruse falls apart
>Shady sands
Lol, are you illiterate? Go back to my original comment and point to when I said anything about Shady Sands
>is not fallout
Goalpost moving again
>I didn't abandon a single argument, you did.
you did in
, by not addressing
>since you didn't first start with it in your argument
I made all my points in my first reply
and they still stand.
You said "it's not main quest"
, so you are either making up a completely irrelevant goal post by stating that non obligatory quests are non obligatory, and indeed they are, or you are trying to say that anything not part of the main quest is not fallout. Which one is it?
>by not addressing
because it does, as another poster pointed it out to you[...]
you only made up your mind that it's not part of the game because it isn't "obligatory" later, since you didn't first start with it in your argument.
>No.
ok so what is your argument? because if it's that no part that is not obligatory to complete the main quest then it's not going to work. in that case, junktown is not fallout, shady sands, the formation of NCR is not fallout. yet, curiously, fallout 2 NCR exists. shady sands, exists. your argument boils down to "it isn't part of the game because it isn't na na na". i can decide that anything the enclave at the oil rig say is not part of the main quest because reading the dialog is not necessary to complete the main quest, only clicking the dialog boxes is necessary.
>Because the what the overall series is about and what the themes that some of the the games have in some of their areas aren't the same thing
Same way "part of the main quest," and "part of the game" aren't the same thing
ok but this too doesn't work, if we go with your logic then shady sands is not fallout because it isn't required. the birth place of NCR is not fallout according to u #
Not addressing what?
>and they still stand.
None of them do. That's why you stopped replying
>You said "it's not main quest"
And it isn't. It's not obligatory to the main quest despite your claims of it being a part of it
Okay, so you choose option 1 of
>you are either making up a completely irrelevant goal post by stating that non obligatory quests are non obligatory, and indeed they are, or you are trying to say that anything not part of the main quest is not fallout. Which one is it?
Your point is irrelevant to my original point which deals with what are themes of fallout, and how "culture of division" is indeed reflected in the games, which still stands.
>choose option 1
No.
You've not gonna pigeonhole me into two different strawmen you wrote just because you're been wrong about everything you typed itt
*you're
>or you are trying to say that anything not part of the main quest is not fallout.
Goalpost moving again
>because we are both talking about the same thing
We aren't. You just need to pretend that we are because you don't have an argument otherwise
>that vault city is not sufficient as an example to show themes of a game
Another example of your dishonest goalpost moving. I never stated that whatever themes Vault City's quest have part of the game's themes, but that wasn't their claim their claim was that was "what Fallout was about" which is incorrect
>what is the problem with utilizing the lewis gun design?
It's ugly
>it's ugly
why? i think its incredibly aesthetic
It's fricking disgusting.
>why? i think its incredibly aesthetic
Get some better taste
Jesus
>a complete mess of a design where the idea was to bridge between a squad assault weapon and a light machine gun
>looks like a hunting shotgun with a magazine
"No"
>bridge between a squad assault weapon and a light machine gun
the BAR predates the idea of a SAW. The BAR predates the period where "Assault Rifles" were even a thing
and nobody used it like an assault rifle because it was WAY too heavy for anything it was designed for. also my point isn't even that it's not meeting it's design spec, many ships don't meet their design spec in ww2 but are still utilized to great extent like the atlantas. my point is that it's ugly, and someone who tries to claim lewis gun is ugly while bringing up that shit is probably moronic.
>can't recognize a fricking BAR
>spergs about its design with some moronic terminology like "assault weapon"
KEK
How embarassing
You should have a nice day immediately. Just not with a gun please.
>communism good
Yeah, that notorious source of communist propaganda throughout the decades, Hollywood.
>NV is ignored, mocked, and/or explicitly removed from canon
Is there any game fanbase with a bigger persecution complex than New Vegas?
my prediction and from what we've already seen
oh I forgot the "they ruined the guns"
NCR and Legion will both be cut for new factions.
Entirety of Fallout 1-NV will be retconned
>t: Inside her
I don't like how Fallout 4 is now the standard artistic style that all Fallout media has to use. It looks too cartoonish,
Don't flatter yourself. It isn't going to reference the NCR at all. It's either gonna make TBoS look like paragon's of virtue or the fascists police. They are going to make the Underground the Antifa stand-in and paint them as nothing but good guys while completely and utterly ignoring anything that ever happened in Fallout 1, 2, NV, or really anything prior to FO3.
when did they make the vaults all about researching for how to get off world? i know tim cain said it was the point from the start but no game afaik mentioned that
It was a retcon in 2
how did it get retconned in 2?
Did 1 ever imply the vaults were experiments? I know they tell you the experiments were
>12's door doesn't close fully
>13's water chip eventually breaks
>15's population are a mix of different cultures, ethnicities and religions
but don't they only really tell you they were experiments in 2?
i recently replayed 1 and 2 and dont remember vault experiments being mentioned in 1.
the president in fallout 2 tells you they were social experiments.
>Did 1 ever imply the vaults were experiments?
Nope. That was a 2 retcon
It led to interesting concepts, but some of the shit it led was awful
>but some of the shit it led was awful
This. What the frick was wrong with some company just capitalizing on an impeding nuclear disaster? This stuff has happened IRL even, nothing evil, just good business.
Because the cost of making Vaults that actually work and keep their occupants safe from nuclear annihilation is too damn high to make real profit off of. The only benefit to Vaults for as much as they take to build/maintain are the unusual survival strategies/tests their creators give them to see what methods would best result in humanity surviving once they open up.
Oh then you will love this.
https://www.terravivos.com/
That's these:
>retcon
No, lore expansion.
So, retcon
people who like this show are the same people who think starfield is a good game
>dude vault suits
>dude ghouls
>dude BoS
>dude caps
>dude bobbleheads
>dude dogmeat
>dude literal random consumable item
maybe the series deserved to die unceremoniously
lol
>dude it's on the westcoast
>dude vault-tec
and the list goes on
>woman
>black
Of course it's bad
exactly man. almost everywhere now they are posting women and black guys
Diversity is our strength.
Fallout: Detroit
>When Caesar started imitating the Black person
damn Raimi shouldn't have been allowed in the writing room that day
fricking kek holy shit
https://voca.ro/1mbflfqNhK23
imagine the spit roast
Unironically an Enclave slogan
you people are so tedious
when does the goyslop come out so i can watch it?
kek
how come?
Damn!, that guy on the right must be like 8 feet tall!
I'm just glad Todd doesn't go full iron manlet and wear foot high heels
>subjects regarding quality content by independent vidya creators gets deleted, posters banned
>corporate vidya slop trash content gets left up
what did they mean by this?
kys zoomer eceleb worshiper
that was sad, i was waiting for his comeback
As the kids today would say: Literally who?
someone who made challenge runs for fallout 3/4/nv and skyrim for the most part. it's good stuff
What are the best mods for fallout 4?
uninstall.exe
The game remains unplayable trash and no modlist has ever been able to fix it.
Nah it's a pretty fun game it just pales in comparison to 3 or NV
I'm nearly at this point
>I've spent about 100 hours modding it and it's still a glitching, bugging, crashware betatest of a game 9 years later...
>I look for outrage every chance I get
This is your brain on the Russian agitprop campaign. Imagine getting groomed by vatBlack folk lmao
I'm thinking of scrapping my TV, it's not worth the space on my wall
I mean what else would you put there? A painting? A bookshelf?
Tv's are a useful decorative piece. You point your furniture at it
A painting sure would provide better entertainment
You guys are just admitting to not having friends or a gf. Sounds like you don't need one
My wife agrees that we should probably scrap the TV
>You guys are just admitting to not having friends or a gf
I haven't watched a movie with friends in years, we just hang out in discord and play games
I don't have a gf, tbh. I have a dog though, girls that come over are far more entertained by it than a tv show
>The absolute state of NCR
Goggins has got a lot on his shoulders, carrying this show.
Call it now: Better or worse than Netflix Resident Evil?
nothing
EVER
could get as bad as this
Actual cringe than it is cringekino.
After Resident Evil and Rings of Power I'm wondering what exactly gives anyone hope for Fallout.
Reacher was a good adaptation
Never heard of it. Doesn't sound like a video game.
Lord of the Rings isn't a video game either morono
It has quite a few video games. Some of them were good. A lot better than the amazon show.
Netflix Resident Evil deserved to be taken out back and shot in the head, what a shitshow. I hope it won't be as bad as that. Cringe and shit, but maybe at least a little fun.
has anyone noticed Todd Howard's obsession with girl-boss faction leaders as of late?
explain
fallout 76 has so many, so does starfield. Just annoying, b***hy, woman bossing everyone around and being a c**t. pretty sure that was the opening to starfield
?t=51
damn yeah, straight up calls her boss girl and shit lmao
don't care you can romance an assaultron in fallout 76 so it's based
He's probably made to have that many in powerful positions, anon.
>a poster so soulless I start to instinctually count fingers and do other tricks to determine whether this was AI generated or not
I've been larping as a NCRtrooper in the youtube comments section for years. I am a huge fan of fallout but I have to say this shit looks bad. I am NOT excited for this. I will only be excited if they hit us with a big iron sequence.
There will be NO Marty Robbins for you, just songs about nuclear radiation and maybe a little "I Don't to Set the World on Fire".
I MUST HAVE BIG IRON ON MY HIP.
YOU WILL ONLY GET BUTCHER PETE AND YOU WILL LIKE IT.
I am ok with a butcher pete sequence.
Hopefully they'll grace us with a snippet of Johnny Guitar.
Get on the cross, profligate
are you the trooper that left comments under mitten squad videos?
cant shit it up anymore than new vegas did honestly
>le wacky bottle caps and power armor xD Fallout
>Not the brutal "slowly die in an irradiated desert or get instagibbed by super mutants" fallout
Nah I'm good.
Bethesda completely missing the bleak edginess of the original two games and instead focusing on the absurd humor has always sucked. Its such a flanderization of the series that it's almost insulting
a 1:1 adaption of Fallout 1 would be the only non-moronic way of making a non-anthology show.
>Fallout 2
>bleak edginess
I remember all those pop culture references being bleak and edgy
Fo2's pop culture references were often on the edgy side
That's why I also mentioned the absurd humor. It was bleak edginess and abused humor. Also the humor was still very edgy, I mean ffs the chosen one with a low INT gets raped
>le wacky bottle caps and power armor xD Fallout
what is wacky about those?
>Not the brutal "slowly die in an irradiated desert or get instagibbed by super mutants" fallout
>Bethesda completely missing the bleak edginess
that is precisely what is shit about fallout 3, and the whole crux of the "bethesda doesnt understand fallout". bethesda thinks fallout is 200 years after the great war people doing nothing but scavenging ruins and fighting the mutants infesting them. it's acceptable for fallout 1 to slow a more ruined civilization because it happens less than 100 years after the great war, but it's not acceptable after 200 years, even fallout 2 and new vegas understood this.
>focusing on the absurd humor has always sucked
which games focus on humor? even fo2 which morons always say is too quirky has places like reno where ch*ldren get murdered, humans get buried alive, there is human experimentation, slavery etc.... even OWB with "penis jokes" is extremely bleak, wtih concentration camps and human experiments.
>that is precisely what is shit about fallout 3,
Fallout 3 is the epitome lol so random humor and not taking itself seriously what the frick are you talking about lmao. Dogshit worldbuilding isn't bleak and edgy
>Which games focus on humor
Fallout 3 and 4
The absolute low point for humor in the franchise is old world blues
OWB should've been a Fallout 3 DLC.
>even OWB with "penis jokes" is extremely bleak, wtih concentration camps and human experiments.
Even the dark moments are riddled with Joss Whedon and reddit tier quipping. New Vegas is the only good nu Fallout game and even then it has a lot of gay shit in it.
>NCR
Done and dusted
>Legion
Literally who?
>House
Can't stop winning
The House ALWAYS wins
>Inb4 shill
He's literally a fascist capitalist.
>fascist capitalist
What national identity is House backing?
He's libertarian more than anything.
That’s not a national identity, you called him a fascist, if he doesn’t follow or stand with any national identity then he isn’t a fascist.
Fallout threads are always the most autistic flamewarring imaginable. I hope this show is unwatchable shit just to spite the "fans" on this board
The autism is from the "people" who just shitpost and don't even play the games.
I can't believe there are people that think the NCR is some kind of sacred cow that must have its sanctity protected
Actual deranged Californian fantasy where their shithole pseudo-country gets to be the dominant super power in the world, so they make it legal to deliberately give someone AIDS in all parts of the world
Hope the last scene of the show is Todd Howard pulling out his 10 inch wiener and dropping a big steaming piss on a corpse in ranger armor
NCR was created before California became an absolute shithole, still corrupt then and now, but not anywhere near what it is today
What I'll be doing when this shit comes out.
Post more of this goddess
I will not
more
She looks so peaceful
Everything she does is godly
She looks beautiful in that outfit
She look beautiful in all kinds of outfits
I love this b***h like you wouldn't believe.
She sings too
Any of her in a robe and slippers?
I remember she wore them but can't recall the episode. Have her in a towel instead
Yes. You and the guy that sees Kim Possible's mouth as a mustache
The show is funny because he's moronic.
Am I the only one that sees that line on her face as lips?
So why didn't Daffy plow her again?
he's not gay
This is the only other picture I have of her sleeping, which is relevant because that's what I'm going to do when this shitty Fallout show comes out.
>Dark skin
>White hair
S tier, it's a cruel joke by God to not have made this a real phenotype
>DARKSKIN b***hES WIT BLONDE HAIR BE LOOKIN LIKE DURACELL BATTERIES
frick the RNC
>no supermutants
>Shady Sands thus the capitol of NCRis a fricking nuclear crater
Frick you Amazon.
>>no supermutants
A good thing, had they been included they would have all been brain dead morons and the CGI used for them would have been God awful. They really should have animated the show instead of doing live action
>We will never get an Arcane-tier or even Edgerunners-tier show for Fallout
It hurts bros
>ugly no FPS 3D animation or loltrigger
No thanks, I'd rather see Ufotable or SHAFT handle a Fallout show.
>Arcane
>Ugly
How does it feel to be that moronic
Yeah it's fricking ugly. For that matter all 3D animation will stay ugly until it's a consistent 30 to 60 FPS.
moron are you playing the fricking show? The standard for animations is 24 FPS
>3D
>sub 30
Yeah it's staying fricking ugly, I figured as much.
>Ywn get a Fallout anime opening
>Ywn see a sakuga of a Super Mutant having its head twisted off by a cute asian girl in a suit of power armor
>Ywn get a deathclaw doujin
>Ywn get assaultron waifubait
Why must we live in such a terrible timeline?
And instead, we get PA that looks like it was rejected from Power Rangers
Frick that, we need a live action Arcanum series.
We need a remaster of arcanum with not so shitty combat. That's it.
It certainly feels malicious, almost like they wanna shit over all the legacy of the west coast. What's Todd's endgame here?
>What's Todd's endgame here?
revenge for Starfield
Main problem is the sound design. With good enough sound editing, you can convincingly make painted plastic sound like metal, but without that it ends up feeling like the cosplay gear it is.
>they're going to turn it into some allegory for real life politics
Have you never played a Fallout game before?
>baggy vault suit
not watching it
JEWS ALWAYS WIN BABYBEE
ANOTHER IP
BACKROCKED
>JEWS ALWAYS WIN
>still having threads on this show
Have you homosexuals not seen what the creators said?
>California is a blank slate
>Todd Howard creator of Fallout
>Fallout is about ghouls, radiation and power armor
We already know it's gonna suck, we just wanna seethe and talk about Fallout
>California is a blank slate
>Todd Howard creator of Fallout
They never said either of these things.
Well next time fricking use the right art style and remember to gas the bos ya stupid Hollywood fricks . god damn how do you incompetent morons fail so hard when you were given the easiest fricking job of all time.
God, I truly hope ai replaces you "people"
>Well next time fricking use the right art style
The show is using the "right" art style. Get bent.
4 isn't canon, looks like the biggest piece of dogshit ever made holy shit how do you make a wasteland so unpleasant to look at holy shit, and to this day remains unplayable no matter how many mods you use.
>4 isn't canon
Get
Bent
It is canon.
It's the next final fantasy because of your mindless dick sucking. Nice job.
>It's the next final fantasy
What does this even mean?
>Its the next "one of the most successful video game franchise ever"
Is this supposed to be an insult? because it isn't.
It means the franchise is in a death spiral that can't be stopped.
>FF
>Fallout
>in a death spiral
HAHAHAHAHA how deluded.
yes
> I know they're going to shit up the NCR, if not outright having the faction die off they're going to turn it into some allegory for real life politics.
You are aware that Chris Avellone made the Lonesome Road DLC for NV specifically to destroy both the NCR and Legion because he felt they were too big/civilized for a post-apocalyptic game? If Bethesda destroys the NCR, it will be because Obsidian wanted it also.
Ulysses was a schizo, his words meant nothing
Avellone isn’t Obsidian. He only wrote the dlcs and a few characters.
Obsidian approved, and developed, Lonesome Road, whose whole point was to destroy both. Its not like Avellone did it all by himself.
>Lonesome Road, whose whole point was to destroy both.
Maybe that was Avellone’s desire but not every ending include an inevitable end for the NCR.
The guy behind the show probably doesn't even know Lonesome Road exists. And even then with the current BoS, and Institute, the wasteland powergap is far too wide now.
why is she so bug eyed
>Could've made an adaptation of Fallout 1's story, it's pretty linear and everything about it is canonized anyway
>decide not to do that
>Could've adapted Fallout 3's story then. It's also more linear and there would've been an opportunity to fix some of the holes in it
>decide not to do that
>Instead, decide on California, where the original games where set, where NV was more closely related and where they'll frick up the established canon
Tell me how this isn't on purpose
It absolutely is. Todd almost certainly gave them shitty info on purpose.
NCR has always been my favorite part of fallout, it is very interesting to see the success and failings of trying to recreate civilization in a post-apocalyptic world and them just trying to make USA 2.0, a system that ended the world in the first place, is great for social commentary about the American government.
To just turn around and destroy them just to maintain a post-apocalyptic feel is so boring I can’t even understand why anyone would ever even consider it.
>To just turn around and destroy them just to maintain a post-apocalyptic feel is so boring I can’t even understand why anyone would ever even consider it.
the whole point of Fallout, as a franchise, is that "war never changes". Humans are unable to most past the petty wars of religion, politics, and resources, that have destroyed every nation previously.
The whole point of Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas, was to show this cycle
-Stars off small, independent, towns/cities(Fallout 1)
-Nation form(Fallout 2)
-Nations grow beyond their means, leading to issues, and eventually collapse(New Vegas)
Keeping the NCR alive is completely antithetical to the entire message of Fallout.
NTA but while I agree that it would be very fitting for the NCR to be destroyed at some point- this is a stupid way to do it. More people agree with Sawyer than Avellone on the issue of whether the re-emergence of society is an appealing aspect of Fallout. The destruction of the NCR should be something that see across one or multiple games, not basically offscreen for, of all things, a TV show. Taking a great example of how games can tell stories in unique ways and then taking a canonical dump over it in another medium- it just feels embarrassing, honestly. Games have an inferiority complex towards film and television despite being bigger and more widely enjoyed than both at this point and one of the most beloved RPGs of all time being followed up on in such an obviously underwhelming way by a TV show feels so emblematic of that. They'd never let you seriously follow up a beloved movie with a game.
>he destruction of the NCR should be something that see across one or multiple games
So like NV.... which was all about it?
-Hanlon mentions the NCR has drained all the water out west, and they're running out.
-Hildern mentions the NCR lacks the food to feed its people, and will face mass starvation within a decade.
-Several NPCs talk about how the NCR's economy has collapsed since the BoS .destroyed their gold reserves, leaving their paper money almost worthless.
-Numerous NPCs talk about how the NCR is stretched too thin to defend its terroritories, and raiders and bandits are a huge issue, while large cities like the Boneyard are shitholes.
-The war in the Mojave is massive unpopular, and causing civil unrest over how much of a meat grinder it is.
-Lonesome Road talks about the tunnelers fricking everything up
-There is literally the "nuke everything" option at the end of Lonesome Road which Avellone said is canon.
The idea they "did it offscreen" and "in a TV show" is only true if you didn't play New Vegas which was all about how FRICKED the NCR is, and how its collapsing fast.
>And even in NV the NCR was past its best days but they were still a mostly stable society at it core.
Uhh no they weren't? Did you even play New Vegas? See
>-Hanlon mentions the NCR has drained all the water out west, and they're running out.
>-Hildern mentions the NCR lacks the food to feed its people, and will face mass starvation within a decade.
>-Several NPCs talk about how the NCR's economy has collapsed since the BoS .destroyed their gold reserves, leaving their paper money almost worthless.
>-Numerous NPCs talk about how the NCR is stretched too thin to defend its terroritories, and raiders and bandits are a huge issue, while large cities like the Boneyard are shitholes.
>-The war in the Mojave is massive unpopular, and causing civil unrest over how much of a meat grinder it is.
>-Lonesome Road talks about the tunnelers fricking everything up
>-There is literally the "nuke everything" option at the end of Lonesome Road which Avellone said is canon.
There is nothing "stable" about the NCR.
The NCR’s money is worthless in the Mojave because they don’t have the political power to enforce their currency there. That same problem doesn’t exist in California.
Anticipating a future food shortage is not the same as mass starvation and societal collapse. History is filled with people anticipating food shortages, and society rarely collapse because of them.
>The NCR’s money is worthless in the Mojave because they don’t have the political power to enforce their currency there. That same problem doesn’t exist in California.
Nope
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/New_California_Republic#Currency
>During the conflict with the Brotherhood, the NCR's gold reserves out in the frontier were raided by the Brotherhood to the point where the NCR was forced to stop minting new gold coins so as to put an end to the raids completely, indirectly resulting in NCR paper money no longer being properly backed with gold. NCR citizens panicked and rushed to reclaim the listed face value of currency from NCR's remaining gold reserves. Since the NCR was unable to realize these withdrawals, particularly towards the frontier, faith in their currency considerably dropped. In order to contain the financial fallout from the inevitable inflation to come, the NCR government abandoned the gold standard and established fiat currency, not payable in specie.[33][Non-game 8] Since then, many wastelanders lost faith in it as a medium of worth, both as a result of it not being backed by anything but the government's word and the inevitable inflation.[Non-game 9] In response to the loss of faith, merchant consortiums of the Hub re-established their own currency, the venerable bottle cap, backing it with water (exchanging a standardized measure of water for caps).[Non-game 10][Non-game 11]
Even back in places like the Hub they are going back to caps because the NCR's money is worthless even in its own territory like The Hub.
>[Non-game 10][Non-game 11]
Notice how the game itself stops short at simply they convert to a fiat currency and the frontiers, like Mojave, especially lose faith in it.
What you are describing is off screen.
All we get is second hand accounts of these problems.
So why the frick do the bos get to still fricking exist travel all over the continent but never have to deal with any of this shit? Bad writing isn't an answer.
See
BoS aren't, and don't try to be, a nation. So they never run into the issues nations do. Who would've guessed that not being moronic and trying to start a nation, when all of human history has shown that pointless, lets you avoid the issues that come with trying to be a nation.
Are you implying that relatively small organisations/cults don't collapse either? We were literally witnessing it in NV
>pulls magically fully functioning tech 200 years after the end of civilization is somehow a good survival strategy.
so why the frick do they have an infinite supply of it that lets them survive? The answer is dogshit writing.
"wow who needs to make iron when we have all this bronze omg"
>so why the frick do they have an infinite supply of it that lets them survive?
they don't? They even mention multiple times how their entire existence is basically just scraping by to find new PA and shit to use for replacements/parts, and other issues.
Have you played any of these games?
Again, there's a limit to how much they can realistically scavenge after 200 years and if they can have a fleet a fricking airships muh scavenging isn't a viable explanation.
The answer is again dogshit writing.
>Again, there's a limit to how much they can realistically scavenge after 200 years and if they can have a fleet a fricking airships muh scavenging isn't a viable explanation.
The BoS were building airships out of scavanged supplies as far back as Tactics. The Prydwen in Fallout 4 was built out of scraps from Adam's Airforce base. None of it was manufactured/new.
And that's bad fricking writing holy shit. Like if it was that easy loads of other people would've done it before or alongside them.
Heck even a meme faction like the enclave would've survived if it was that easy.
so, repeat after me "the bos are mary sues that get magic tech out their ass because of dogshit writing."
>Like if it was that easy loads of other people would've done it before or alongside them.
Having parts doesn't mean you have the specialized know how to use them. That's like saying if you gave a normal person all the materials to build a house, they would do it.
Well, no, they wouldn't since most people have no idea on the basics of construction work on anything like a house.
The enclave had access to scientists and tech that were always than the bos so again the bos getting everything is what makes them a poorly written mary sue faction.
The Enclave also used that tech to make shit like APA, and Vertibirds
Which is again moron writing because if the secret to surviving and thriving was having nomadic airships everyone would be living on them by now. But they don't because the bos are poorly written mary sues.
>everyone would be living on them by now
That literally isn't how people, or technology, works. You're actually sub 10 IQ
I don't care anymore. Enjoy fallout dying a slow death over the next several years because bos dick sucking.
Hanlon and Hildern are not reliable sources, Hanlon is a massive, self-deluded doomer and Hildern is a glory hound who would absolutely blow up the importance of his work.
I'm honestly questioning the "raiders are fricking up the NCR itself" claim you make, because New Vegas makes a point to show how diminished and pathetic the average raider has become, and this is in the Mojave, treated as the last frontier of the western US. The Khans are delusionally clinging to their glory days and named raider clans are some of the weakest enemies in the entire game. I would have to replay sometime to see what you're saying.
Not a single one of the major players in NV is operating under the assumption that NCR is going to die within a few years. The NCR remaining stable is key to Caesar's long term plans, House wants them around as patrons. You'd think you'd see it mentioned more if they intended the implication that the NCR was going to die in a few years rather than just suffering the same instability that pre-war nations often did.
I absolutely know for a fact Avellone didn't say that the nuke everything ending is canon, he just said that that's what he thinks should happen, because he has a weird bone to pick with every fallout game after the first one, so I'm going to assume you're willing to stretch everything else, too.
>Hanlon and Hildern are not reliable sources
>Anything that makes the NCR look bad is just lies!
Maximum copium.
>a guy who has literally gone crazy after losing so many men for nothing and is willing to get even more of them killed just to hopefully end the violence and a lying blowhard who's willing to get people killed and then cover up their existence to further his career might be unreliable sources of information
Yes
He's totally a writer from the show trying to cope.
Hildern's comment is extremely sketch, and not a reliable source. A reddit comment explains it pretty well.
https://www.reddit.com/r/falloutlore/comments/51i7pp/what_would_the_population_size_of_the_ncr_be_by/d7cldjy/
>headcanon to try to dismiss what is actually said in-game
Redditards be tarded.
>all narrators are 100% reliable all of the time.
dogshit Hollywood writers everyone.
Nice strawman. That wasn't the argument being made.
I fricking knew it. You are one of the show writers aren't you?
>The destruction of the NCR should be something that see across one or multiple games, not basically offscreen for, of all things, a TV show.
Fricking exactly. NCR and west coast collapsing should be experienced through a game, not a shitty TV show spin-off.
>Fallout 5 directed by old obsidian and set in the frontiers of Arizona after the legion and the ncr collapsed, with new factions rising.
What could've been...
I want more west coast games so bad bros. A lot of people prefer the ruined city atmosphere but personally I enjoy the scorching west atmosphere of west coast more.
There is a world of difference between having a thriving civilization and a gone one.
Destroying the NCR fully brings nothing new to fallout because the entire franchise already takes place in the fallen civilization of the USA. What does having another failed civilization on top of that being?
It is far more interesting to have the NCR still alive but massively struggling with the various issues of creating civilization from scratch and just having them be dead.
>The whole point of Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas, was to show this cycle
I definitely don’t think you can say that considering how long after new Vegas was written from 1 and 2. I doubt the writers of the first fallout had already looked that far ahead.
And even in NV the NCR was past its best days but they were still a mostly stable society at it core.
I feel like fallout is actually optimistic despite its war never changes message. Because while violence is inherent to the human race, the urge to pick up the pieces and start anew to survive is also there. Fallout is more about the struggle of humanity and which path does it choose: to continue the cycle of violence or break it.
So why do the bos get to stick besides blatant favoritism? They're just insane cultists.
They're iconic and fallout is an iconic nerd property.
So incompetent writing then.
Becuase the BoS avoid everything that ruins nations by not tryingto be a nation.
The BoS don't really care about taking over land, or controlling territory, they just go around, murder mutants, collect tech, and move on. Because they never try to be a nation they never grow to the point of facing the issues nations face as they get bigger/over populated.
The BoS are, if anything, the most suited for survival long term, because they remain a relatively small group of techno cultists.
so dogshit writing got it.
because obviously they can just pull magic tech out of their asses 200 years after an apocalypse with zero supply lines new manufacturing or anything.
>because obviously they can just pull magic tech out of their asses
BoS never pulls tech out of thier asses. Hell, its explicitly mentioned the BoS lack the ability to make things like PA, or laser weapons, or veritbirds, etc. They scavenge it all.
>Keeping the NCR alive is completely antithetical to the entire message of Fallout.
Sorta, but even if the cyclical aspect of the human condition needs to play out, the NCR is bound for a collapse like the Roman Empire did, not like Nagasaki
It's problems are political, enviromental, societal, structural. This wouldn't cause them to revert to Bethesda's hobocore in 2 decades
>This wouldn't cause them to revert to Bethesda's hobocore in 2 decades
They aren't hobocore that we've seen. And "nukes from the divide" aren't "political, enviromental, societal, structural." issues.
>They aren't hobocore that we've seen
They're pretty hobocore
>And "nukes from the divide"
Didn't reach Shady Sands, or any city as far as we know, just the road
Also, not canon. That shit was horribly implemented in the game
>Also, not canon. That shit was horribly implemented in the game
Its in the game, its canon. No matter how much you don't like it.
>Its in the game, its canon
In the game you have 4 different choices moron.
Nuking the I-15 is only in half of them
>-Nations grow beyond their means, leading to issues, and eventually collapse(New Vegas)
this is a bad read, mojave is just one front of their expansion, they're also expanding to baja in the south. meeting the legion there was, in the way i see it, unexpected. their expeditionary force still pushed back the legion's respective force, neither side have made a large commitment to the fight although the presence of the legion high command there is pretty indicative of their commitment, kimball's visit there is more just a part of his campaign trail instead of anything indicative of commitment.
the point is, that if NCR wants the mojave they will get it.
>The destruction of the NCR should be something that see across one or multiple games, not basically offscreen for, of all things, a TV show
Todd has said they aren't doing anything that affects the endings of the games, meaning they will have to leave open the matter of NCR. Their fate isn't being decided here.
>neither side have made a large commitment to the fight
M8, go replay New Vegas, its mentioned both forces are throwing everything they have to the fight, not only in the Mojave, but all the way along the Colorado to the south. the overwhelming majority of the NCR and Legion's forces/resources are tied up in the slugfest that is the war.
The NCR resources being tied up in the Dam is EXPLICITLY in the NCR forces already within the Mojave.
Numerous NPCs complain about how most of the NCR's best soldiers and equipment are still out west defending territory that's already relatively settled instead of being used in the Mojave boarder war.
Lonesome Road is a striking example of this. Long 15 shows you that the NCR has/had a contingent of Vertibirds and troopers with energy weapons and salvaged power armor used solely to guard the stretch of highway into California.
>Numerous NPCs complain about how most of the NCR's best soldiers and equipment are still out west defending territory that's already relatively settled instead of being used in the Mojave boarder war
No they don't. Hanlon complains that the best of the rangers are on Baja "chasing ghosts", but that's because Oliver resents them since they got the glory for the victory in the First Battle of Hoover Dam,, but he brought on his heavy troopers and has been concentrating as many troops as he can in the Dam, House literally tells you this
Oliver is the entire reason Mojave resources are so scarce and why there are no greater tactics at play than massing soldiers on the dam even when the Legion has an active insurgency going on.
The NCR command is lazily fighting a ground war and ignoring secondary threats because of the orders from Oliver. Not because they can't, but because they won't.
>Oliver is the entire reason Mojave resources are so scarce
Wrong. The whole of the NCR is overextended, poorly equipped and poorly led
Moore isn't any better than Oliver and neither is Kimball
>The whole of the NCR is overextended
again, I think you're confusing "the NCR in the Mojave" with "All of the NCR on the West Coast". There are thousands of square miles of the NCR we do not see in New Vegas because the game doesn't span Southern Oregon and NW Nevada down to Baja California
>poorly led.
yes
>Moore isn't any better than Oliver and neither is Kimball
That wasn't an argument I was really trying to make, but you're correct.
>ain, I think you're confusing "the NCR in the Mojave" with "All of the NCR on the West Coast"
No, I'm not. The NCR is overextended at the Mojave and that's causing problems on the homefront
>That wasn't an argument I was really trying to make
But it was you said Oliver was the "entire reason' when there's more than him
>even when the Legion has an active insurgency going on.
wait, the legion are plagued by a insurgency? where?
>The whole point of Fallout 1, 2, and New Vegas, was to show this cycle
That sounds like some 'I made it the frick up'.
Then why give them free advertising you moronic Black person
>watch trailer
>cyclop
>2 eyebrows
American movies and tv are so creatively bankrupt they are copying bollywood streetshit at this point. Copying the smelliest ugliest people in the world and hoping for success.
Speak up, sir...You need the extra small condoms?
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUKDEL34444520061208/
Stay in line
Man I hate Marvel/Deadpool humor so much
Is it really that hard to set Fallout in a state where neither the BoS or other known faction has set foot?
No, but that's like asking for an Elder Scrolls game outside of Tamriel, where none of the major races appear, and there's no Daedra. Franchise are defined by their iconic/unique elements.
Obsidian managed to make both House and Caesar's Legion iconic despite being introduced in NV
But they also exist very much in relation to the NCR.
It would be much harder for especially the legion to leave the same impression without the NCR.
What sets fallout apart from any other post-apocalypse if you remove all the elements people know from previous fallout?
No one besides 40k gays likes big boy power.
When it’s being handled by a manlet and soulless stuffed shirts from Amazon, yes. It really is that hard.
I'll watch it for Walton Goggins and Matt Berry (Although I don't think he'll be around a lot)
Everything is too fricking clean. Where's the dirt and grime on the costumes?
This is the same company that made The Boys and Rings of Power. I'm not going to waste my time watching this. But I look forward to shitposting about it.
The fricking ugly "assault rifle" is in
Non-feral ghouls aren't the hideously mutated rotting people anymore, they are the noseless dried raisins in Fallout 4.
They turned Power Armor into a knock off Iron Man suit, separating helmet and propulsion jets out the arms and all.
Looks like shit and lit like a bad porn parody.
Writing is trash.
It is "canon"
I hope this show bombs so hard Microsoft announces that they will never make another adaptation of the ips from the studios they own ever again.
Halo season 2 and the Fallout show are just sunk cost fallacy embodied.
>NCR in New Vegas is the faction with the most content and thorough questlines that present you with the struggles that they are facing
>(You) have the option to assist them and help them with their problems
>Solving every facet of the NCR's problems literally leads to the best ending that you can get in the game
Why are they so obsessed with tearing down the NCR when they are probably the most thoroughly thought out faction that can prosper in the Wasteland
Becuase nothing you do in NV does anything to solve the NCR's real problems
-You don't solve the water shortage issue.
-You don't solve the food production issue.
-You don't solve the currency devaluation issue
-Beating the Legion in the Mojave doesn't stop the fact the NCR is going to need to keep throwing men at them all along the Colorado and into Arizona.
-The above means they are still going to be stretched too thin to deal with internal raider problems.
-The leadership of the NCR remains unchanged ,meaning the same people making the same stupid mistakes
The player solves fricking NOTHING in New Vegas.
show writer anon there were plenty of islands off the pacific and fertile lands north. One event leading to the total destruction is dogshit writing.
Like I can understand a depression, famine, and bunch of other problems but to have died off this quickly when there's so much easily taken territory next to them is just moronic.
>there were plenty of islands off the pacific and fertile lands north
You uhh... don't really understand the tech level of the NCR, or basic American geography, do you?
The lands up north in upper Oregon and Washington State aren't exactly great farming lands, and the NCR hasn't been shown to have any meaningful naval craft, much less to make it out to Hawaii with any safety/regularity.
>show writer anon
Huh?
You're defending the show so hard so it's the only thing that makes sense.
My point being that again there's the west coast across both Americas to colonize if hoover dam didn't pan out.
Also, the morons on the east have functioning boats so it's fair to say that the west have them too.
>NCR has to invade Arizona for some reason
And with the added energy from the dam they can far more easily purify water and increase their farmland. Which goes a long way for the food and water shortage.
>And with the added energy from the dam they can far more easily purify water and increase their farmland.
And they will drain Lake Mead like they did all the rivers/ lakes, and aquifers out west, leaving them with nothing in a relatively short amount of time.
>a population of 1 million will drain lake mead
Sure.
>a population of 1 million will drain lake mead
NCr's population was over 2 million by the time of Fallout 2, and that's before they have taken northern California.
They're closer to 5-6 by the time of NV, not to mention all the people in the Mojave they will have to take in.
There was 700k citizen in the NCR in 2 and there is no way they increase by over 5x in that short amount of time.
>-You don't solve the water shortage issue.
>-You don't solve the food production issue.
Wouldn't this be solved now that the NCR has control of the Dam and the Legion aren't attack Brahmin caravans anymore?
>-You don't solve the currency devaluation issue
Fair
>-Beating the Legion in the Mojave doesn't stop the fact the NCR is going to need to keep throwing men at them all along the Colorado and into Arizona.
>-The above means they are still going to be stretched too thin to deal with internal raider problems.
I don't think the NCR ever stated anything about going into Legion territory, they just wanted to hold the Dam. As for internal raiders, the Courier allying the NCR with multiple factions in New Vegas shows that the NCR can take the route of allying with other local factions to deal with local raiders instead of having to stretch out their own resources.
>-The leadership of the NCR remains unchanged ,meaning the same people making the same stupid mistakes
Also fair
>Wouldn't this be solved now that the NCR has control of the Dam and the Legion aren't attack Brahmin caravans anymore?
No? Lake Mead isn't enough to supply all of California. and the sharecropper farms would only make a small dent in the NCR's food issue.
>the most thoroughly thought out faction that can prosper in the Wasteland
They aren't though. Despite some of the blatant dev favoritism, winning for the NCR is only gonna reinforce their faults and promote the worst of the leadership to even further power
It's remarkable how utterly shit this show looks.
What a shit show.
Can't wait for this flop. I'm launching a Youtube channel to take advantage of all the hate before people forget it exists. I'm predicting that I'll get thousands of subs. Wish me luck Ganker.
Normally I hate opportunistic grifters but in this case I'll make an exception. god speed captain.
Also to help you out make sure to very subtly imply that anyone who does like it a deranged cultist and go fricking hard on the awful artstyle. oh yeah and make sure to compare it to the last of us too.
that'll do wonders for engagement but just make sure to watch both and to be as sincere as possible because right now that's what people are sensitive to.
Well aware that sincerity gets clicks. It factors into my buisness plan. I'm just trying to get as much money as possible as quickly as possible, I won't be attempting to start controversy or pursue clout. Totally understand why you would hate grifters. For me this isn't about ideology. I just need capital, and this is a sure-fire way to make it.
good luck
ps make sure to shit on goggins the most and compare him to danny trejo whenever possible. You'll understand why later.
What are the chances it'll not be an IP skinwalker of the Fallout franchise so the writer can make their own original failed story using said characters? It happened with Halo and Twisted Metal already so there's very little chance it won't happen here.
Slim to none
Unfortunately, low because todd decided to make it canon. Best case scenario this causes a pr shitstorm so big that Phil is forced to take the ip away from Bethesda.
What is Todd's obsession with WMBF couples?
He just has higher taste than most.
Just realized that Princess and the Frog was the last traditionally animated Disney film. Let that sink in.
So if the Enclave returned... somehow, what would the asspull explanation be? A second oil rig?
The Enclave persisted in Navarro years after the rig exploded, they were the U.S. government. Every former military installation that isn't explicitly in the hands of the NCR or BOS would and could have an Enclave presence.
witlzig is an enclave scientist, isn't he?
you're not being pidgeonholed, you just lack a cohesive argument and refused to ellaborate it, if your argument about non obligatory quests is not just a cope to let you leave this argument feeling like you achieved something, then what is it? my entire argument in this reply chain is
>culture of division is shown in vault city and NCR
i had another example that just comes to mind, tennpenny's tower
your argument is
>vault city is not part of the main quest
>?
the long barrel + stock mod makes it look a lot more bearable, but it's obviously based on the lewis gun
>you're not being pidgeonholed
Yes, because I refuse to be
>you just lack a cohesive argument and refused to ellaborate it
Projections again. My argument has been the same since the beginning. Vault City ,>It's not part of the main quest. You however have constantly shifted about yours response
>It's actually part of the main quest
>it's technically part of the main quest
>it's part of the game
>it's part of Fallout
>doesn't matter if it's part of the main quest or not, it's part of the themes
And that is, of course, for one argument since you ran away from the others
>continuous refusal to ellaborate his actual point
it's getting hard to see how you could be arguing in good faith but i'll try
i am guessing you are not moronic, and could understand what my original post was about, which was about the themes of fallout and the culture of division, going forward with this assumption, you wanted to contest my point and you did understand what my point was. you used "it's not part of the main quest" as a way of trying to say "the themes are not reflective of the main quest's themes".
i can accept your argument to this point, but where your argument goes shaky, you start being vague on purpose, you don't ellaborate your actual point, so it would seem like you changed your point from "it's not reflective of the themes" (because it simply is, as reflected by multiple games adopting the themes of cultural division) to "it's not part of the obligatory main quest steps". if you want the last word so badly then we can pretend this was your sole argument for the entire time, then you can have it. im tired of replying to you.
refusal to ellaborate his actual point
"Elaborate" has only one "L" ESL
And I have already "ellaborated" it. Part of the main quest it's what obligatory in it.
>themes of fallout and the culture of division
Which you were wrong about, remember? You were wrong about Marcus, about the Enclave, about the Unity, about Goodsprings.
It's clear that you simply lack the capacity to argue and yet insist on doing it anyway.
You don't even seem to understand your own point. You conflate Vault City's societal class divide with Jacobstown "us vs them" narrative and then later on claim that mutants have a stigma against not because of their history and nature but because of their appearance. It's embarrassing. You really should stop.
>it has a water cooling barrel in 2077, except the barrel also has air cooling vents
>it has a tiny side magazine reminescent of FG42 which is a german WW2-era paratrooper weapon
it's ugly outdated, and nonsensical because bethesda "people" are too braindead to understand what power armor is supposed to be in a military doctrine taking into account suspension of disbelief that PA requires.
you can hip fire .50cal since it lets you essentially operate it weightlessly and with stabilization so yeah a rifle cartridge design in that respect is stupid when a PA could probably absorb the recol of at least 20mm cannons arm mounted, the issue would be more in the logistics factor, vertibirds are the main way of deployment for PA at least how they are portrayed in the games, fitting a lot of rifle rounds and LMGs is more fitting for those kinds of operations so here it makes perfect sense.
>You conflate Vault City's societal class divide with Jacobstown "us vs them" narrative
vault city is an example of a societal divide, in other words culture of division, you are agreeing with me since it's the reason i brought up VC in my first post. VC is also a good example because it has 2 lines of division, one that totally excludes ghouls/mutants and one that just excludes the human refugees and random wasters
>Jacobstown "us vs them" narrative
jacobstown is an example of an obvious division created between the NCR and the mutants. "us vs them" is also a point of cultural division. NCR vs Enclave vs Legion is culture of division. the tagline of the TV show is "everyone wants to save the world they just don't agree how". ideological clash is at the core of fallout, every single franchise entry features some amount of it.
>mutants have a stigma against not because of their history and nature but because of their appearance
it's a combination of both, the less informed are scared of them because they assume all of them are mindless killers, and then there's the obvious appearance created divide which also extends to ghouls, although it's not appearance based solely, they're also a sanitary hazard
They infiltrate and take over BOS remnants, government and military linked up
A second oil rig would at least be a tolerable answer and give us Fallout 2 II. This would be shit, but watchable and enjoyable. I would be okay if this was the outcome. We won't be so lucky.
it will be kino bros
STALKER is the better game so why does anyone even care?
Fallout is gay woke bing-bing wahoo shit.
Always has been.
>divide and conquer
>STALKER is the better game
Then how come I never see any stalker threads? It's just one or two stalkergays seething at fallout threads
Because you're newbie that chases popular trends and spend all your time on shit holes like Ganker
Stalker is not post-war America.
didn't the main writer or whichever key role it was (director?) just go out and say "im not making it for the fans"?
He said that he prefers working on IP in which the original creators are pushing up daisies since they can't b***h about the changes he will make. It isn't a bad mindset to have since the dead have no real avenues for lodging complaints.
he was quoted out of context, the original quote was just something like pleasing fans is a fruitless effort because everyone wants different things.
that's not true, there's something found common in all fans of the same thing. if you set out to make a version of that thing you should at least make an effort to find out what they have in common to please as many as possible, saying it's a fruitless effort makes it sound like you don't give a shit about the thing and you expect to please nobody.
if u go with the majority, then what people want out of fallout is BoS vs super mutants + brand appeal, and i don't think that's a good approach, even though anything related to fallout will most certainly have to feature both if it's a big production
even if the show was legit good people would shit on it simply because it's amazon affiliated, has a black/woman in it, there's no pleasing the complainergays
The fact that this is even some sort of argument only confirms what everyone already knows and that's most fallout fans do not play Fallout 2 and certainly do not play through it blind.
While just about every location is optional, there's still a route the game presents to the player for them to gradually follow
imagine going back in time and showing this to someone who just finished fallout 2
>If you are a fan of the games and want to know the next story...this is it."
this shit makes me want to kill myself so fricking bad, fallout 2 and new vegas are incredibly meaty and interesting stories and watching the technology we have now get used to molest everything the games stand for fricking sucks man
NV came out 14 years ago, time to move on anon
>NV came out 14 years ago
and nothing has surpassed it since
So there is no reason to care then, fallout went downhill 3 games ago. I don't approve of the show but i'm not going to cry about it or kill myself. lol.
Nobody is expecting anything.
its moronic to expect this to be chernobyl/tlou-tier, especially since its not by hbo, u gays just wanna whine meanwhile for ppl who actually care about fallout it's exciting because it's the first big screen adaptation.
people who actually care about fallout are dedicated and conscientiously invested into the world, characters, lore, how fun it is to play etc etc instead of having their nuts quake in their pants about how cool it is to consooom their favorite thing on tee vee
I am not excited, actually. No.
I think it's gonna be a stinker, like Rings Of Power
why do you moron keep trying to connected the game lore to the tv show? its the halo show all ever again
Approved by Todd Howard himself.
it's nice to have closure.