Its a lot of fun and its really well made as well as having the distinction of being one of the only polygonal 3D games of the 5th gen that actually controls well and is maybe even the only polygonal 3d 5th gen action-adventure game that actually controls well.
We don't need this bait thread again. I think the game is quite mixed but it has an obvious charm. Nevertheless: >running through empty Hyrule Field >stopping the game to play an Ocarina every minute >the text speed >waiting for the fricking skulltulas to show their weak spot (what tactical advantage does this give them?) so I can proceed with the game >extremely tame slog before the adult link dungeons >the fricking analogue stick deadzones
There's so much to love in OoT and it shines like the sun when it shines, but its lows don't make me come back to it very often. Every 3D Zelda aside from MM is obviously superior
>running through empty Hyrule Field
You’re supposed to use Epona idiot >stopping the game to play an Ocarina every minute
No arguments here. I wonder if the PC port fixes this yet. >the text speed
Never bothered me. You can skip text, you know. >waiting for the fricking skulltulas to show their weak spot (what tactical advantage does this give them?) so I can proceed with the game
He doesn’t know… >extremely tame slog before the adult link dungeons
Bizarre take. I can’t imagine anyone feels this way on their first playthrough, not to mention that difficulty curve is a thing. >the fricking analogue stick deadzones
This is probably valid, but it’s also not a big deal.
>You’re supposed to use Epona idiot
You get ebola in the latter half of the game. Also, I'm not supposed to do a sidequest – that's why it's a sidequest. If the main quest isn't fun, why bother? >difficulty curve is a thing
Smooth difficulty curve is counterintuitive because if the game tries too hard to prepare you then the player is always as good as the game. It's going to have to kick you in the face here and there to be interesting
these aren't even negative things against the game, save for the text speed
and even then it you're so hellbent on skipping content then why bother playing the game
>muh good for the era it was made
This is my least favorite take when it comes to games. People don't say this nearly as much when it comes to old music and movies, so why old games can't be good NOW?
Look at how many indies with retro visuals and mechanics gets released nowadays. There is an audience for these games that still find then fun today, right now. They can run in any laptop and portable system, and are a fine distraction, it has nothing to do with "nostalgia". That fricking word is everywhere now and no one seems to know what the feeling of being nostalgic actually means.
https://i.imgur.com/wZTW6v2.jpg
I find this game intensely boring. Why is it so popular?
Ocarina of Time is a game in the Zelda series, and does not stray far from Zelda mechanics. Which means that even though it's 3D game that features combat, it is not the main draw of the game, it's just another layer of puzzles to figure out.
That means like other Zelda games, it's mostly an adventure about linear exploration and figuring out puzzles. The slow start of these games may be it's weakest aspect, but this kind of gameplay with carefully planned slow sections that builds up to more loud scenes and a satisfying climax and conclusion became the mainstay of the story heavy Zelda games. It's worth it if you have the patience.
Playing this after mega man legends, it's such an obvious step down in world, character and story. Ocarina does nothing interesting or worth experiencing.
are there any characters as interesting in ocarina of time as tron bonne? Even no-name npcs have more personality than main characters in Ocarina of Time. On top of all this the world is far more thought out in Legends. Ocarina of Time is mostly just a flat map where everything is spread out, MML does far more interesting things with connecting all the dungeons together along with the overworld. Best thing Ocarina has is a nonsensical teleport between the lake and the forest which is never remotely useful and only serves to put into question how these obviously distant places are even connected.
Never mind that MML has actual lore and connections to the rest of Mega Man. There is a reason cope channels like Commonwealth Realm spend all their time trying to prove Zelda has a story with themes instead of discussing said story
Ive never played a mega man game so i dont see how this is a plus. I simply enjoy playing OoT and MM. if this good maybe ill play it. but you dont have to be such an butthole 24/7
MML has a story in its own right.
OoT's story is Ganon is bad and you stop him, then 37yo virgins spend their days analysing the connection between Ganon is bad (OoT) and Ganon is bad (CDi), being mystified by this breathtaking literary masterpiece
2 years ago
Anonymous
OoT is underrated for its story and atmosphere to be honest man. you're being a bit unfair to it. I mean the boss fight to OoT has probably the most amazing atmosphere ive ever experienced in any video game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
OOT has awesome music and feels like there’s a parallel world inside the game. MML feels like you’re exploring a really good anime with a dungeon crawler tacked on. Both are good and it’s hard for me to do a firm ranking between them.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>MML has a story in its own right.
MML's story is like a shitty anime. There's a reason nobody ever talks about it, there's nothing to say.
the connections to the earlier games are one of the most interesting things about Legends. Legends being the last thing to happen in the "timeline" indicating at some point things got completely fricked is what makes the lack of a third installment so painfully blue balling.
I mean, MML3 was never going to reveal new lore details that MMZ or ZX didn’t. I was shocked when the Internet became more populated and I learned that people wanted a sequel to resolve the “cliffhanger” in MML2.
Dude, it’s just a joke. He’s stuck on the moon, and the two engineer qts are working together to get their megadick back to Earth. The implication is that they will do so and live happily ever after with wincest and tsundere doujin material to fill in the details.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I assume the "Master System" mentioned in MML3 is related to the Sage Trinity
ocarina of time has the virtue of not subjecting me to smug and obnoxious Ganker posts. maybe you should just talk about what you do enjoy and reasons others should try it instead of trying to sneer at people for enjoying something you dont
>ocarina of time has the virtue of not subjecting me to smug and obnoxious Ganker posts.
lol:
Its a lot of fun and its really well made as well as having the distinction of being one of the only polygonal 3D games of the 5th gen that actually controls well and is maybe even the only polygonal 3d 5th gen action-adventure game that actually controls well.
All you can do is point out to things that don't actually matter. You're talking about how lived in the world is with how it makes sense with how everything is orientated and how NPCs are. That has nothing to do with how the game plays. There is a reason to why you swerved around mentioning dungeon design or anything gameplay related due to Megaman Legends being dreadfully dull for majority of the time.
What you mean you don't like dark lifeless dungeons with no music in your Mega Man game? Or all the bosses being giant machines? Or the on rails turret segments?
I agree as a kid who always enjoyed RPGs and story over “lonely” gameplay-focused experiences.
I disagree as an adult who has already consumed mountains of fiction and now wants games that provide a more eclectic challenge. That said, I’ve played OOT around 5 times and MML2 3 times, so I do love both.
Boomer here.
I have played every Zelda game upon release and I can honestly agree. I never cared for either of the 64 games. Overrated as hell. I thought Zelda died with the NES. And then when I got myself a Gamecube, I fell in love with Wind Waker. The last good Zelda game we got after NES. Everything after WW has just been ugh...garbage.
Sounds like your brain is rotting. especially since you cant justify any of your opinions AT ALL whatsofricking ever. do you like the newer zelda games too? Fricking christ. Is this what you people do all day? just go on the internet and assert things with zero justification? i get that that its an opinion but when you're going to give it one should at least attempt some kind of reasoning. especially if you're going to talk about how much you dislike what is a cultural and industrial touchstone for many people. i mean what else can someone even do with your useless ass post? >wow this guys so cool he dislikes games people like
It literally is though. I for one am far more interested in talking to someone who says 'OoT is overrated I think the real great action-adventure is mega man legends' over someone who goes 'bro OoT is the best game ever I cry every time...'
If you are playing it for the first time as a bitter old man, you probably wont enjoy it. Thats not saying newer stuff did it "better", you are just burned out on other action games copying its ideas. If you played it as a kid, it shines. And no not " WELL ANY GAME IS GOOD WHEN YOU'RE A KID", its an extremely high quality type of experience, the peak of "kid goes on big adventure in fantasy world" game experience and if you are the age to appreciate it for that, then its not going to be beat. Its just a higher quality experience then the things you could have been consuming and doesn't try to go too far up its own ass(twilight princess) or feel like an incomplete experience (wind waker). Majora you could say is the better "game play", but OoT is the "Super Mario Bros" of 3D Zelda/action games for a reason and Nintendo will probably never be able to recapture that experience, even if they tried.
Im legit sorry you cant appreciate it in the right mindset. Personally, i overplayed it to the point i got sick of it and idk if il ever be able to enjoy playing it again, but i played a lot of games as a kid and OoT will always stand out as probably the best memories i had experiencing a game blind for the first time of any game i ever played. I dont care if that "doesn't make it a contemporary good game", its still one of the best experiences i ever had and il always have memories of it so contrary gays can suck my nintendo boomer manbaby wiener.
By contemporary you mean other games released around it? In that case, no, OoT is the best action adventure game of the 5th gen easily as a full package. Id say its probably better then most after its time as well, but im not fully familiar with everything that came out after it so i cant say for sure, but i have played most every action game on the ps1, N64 and saturn (and late 90s pc) and as a full experience, OoT is the highest. Id say if not the best still by modern standards, its still up there in a top 10. If we're talking Majora, its hard to say. I think on a technical level, Majora is better with the time mechanics and the tight world design, but it doesn't capture the same spirit of adventure as OoT which is what im focusing on.
It's gameplay is just a casualized less interesting version of the games I mentioned
2 years ago
Anonymous
>less interesting gameplay
That's not possible with Ultima VII.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Its also a 3d game compared to the 2d ones you are bringing up for some reason.
2 years ago
Anonymous
TES series then might and magic6. Wizardry8.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And you're still comparing it to completely different genres. Like sure, Morrowind is fine, but its Dune compared to Neverending Story (OoT). Its not at all the same style of pick up and play adventure game. Im sure you will cry casual game if all you consume is crpgs, but its just not a comparable set of games. If you want one up on zelda though, il say elder scrolls does a much better job being an open world with actual depth then breath of the mild.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>pick up and play >forest temple is halfway through the game
yawn
2 years ago
Anonymous
You are literally in the first dungeon in less then 10mins at the start of the game.
2 years ago
Anonymous
And the game is tame as frick for the first half
2 years ago
Anonymous
Literally what 3d zelda game is pick up and play? Forest temple is halfway through oot. In wind waker you sit through an unskippable boring cutscenes. Tutorial island .weird stealth sequence. Tutorial island 2. Sailing forever. Island intro and then the first dungeon starts. Tp has cutscenes tutorial village filled with unrelated minor game mechanics that don't matter but take forever to go through. Cutscenes Weird twilight bullshit. More cutscenes. Weird stealth sequence. More cutscenes. Weird twilight bullshit 2 with moronic collectathon elements. More cutscenes. More walking through places you've already been. And finally the first dungeon starts
2 years ago
Anonymous
What the frick are you and the tard before you talking about? Are the first 3 dungeons of Ocarina absent in whatever version you are playing? You have a tutorial village to dick around in and then you are in the first dungeon. Yeah i agree, every 3d zelda after does take forever, but OoT gets you right in.
And the game is tame as frick for the first half
Maybe cause its the start of the game? It at least prepares you for how future dungeons will be navigated instead of the slow slog in later zeldas. If you are playing OoT for the first time after 20+ years of other games, yeah it probably would feel "tame", but acting like the child sections dont exist makes you seem moronic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
There is zero reason for OoT not to have started you off at forest temple difficulty and get harder from there. The child dungeons are literally sleepwalking. Imagine if we started at the equivalent of forest temple difficulty and only went up from there. Getting 3 dungeons more interesting and harder than spirit temple
2 years ago
Anonymous
>it's the start of the game, so it shouldn't be fun
For fricks sake, gotta wait for the game to get good? I can prepare myself for future dungeons by playing those fricking dungeons. With a game like Sonic Adventure 2 many would argue that the first level is the best; with OoT the debate is instead which is the first level to be enjoyable. Not going to sift through cow shit for hours and hours to get to the good part, even goatfricking in TP has more momentum
Like the cope of needing to compare western crpgs to a Japanese action adventure game because you have nothing else to think of? Why not compare it to something else completely unrelated like Final fantasy 7?
Style over substance. Games that attracted a new generation with pretty 3d graphics (at the time) and clunky, shit gameplay that they didn't know any better about.
Why N64/PS1 shouldn't be retro.
>Why is it so popular?
It's not really that popular. Tomb Raider 2 outsold it (lol)
Its grossly inflated internet presence is because of the massive and somewhat inexplicable dominance of the N64 in North America. It also depends heavily on nostalgia. If you play it for the first time today it's unlikely it'll do anything for you.
I'm not bashing Tomb Raider. My point is a lot of sacred cows, particularly those from the 90s, have a bigger reputation for circumstantial reasons. Another example is EarthBound.
Because its bad to enjoy games made by Nintendo, especially if they are successful.
The hate OoT gets is just like the Rare haters. "They weren't that great." Yeah, for the era compared to other companies of the time, they actually were. Same with OoT. Hate it all you want, but you are going to be hard pressed to find something of equivalent quality from the era it came out in that captures the same kind of feel.
The N64 era as a whole is overrated to shit, so you're not wrong when you say that during that period Ocarina of Time was shoulders above its competition. I was always a Playstation guy and I really didn't feel like I was missing out on much, Nintendo felt kiddy then.
Zelda is well liked and /vr/ has a serious hipster / contrarian issue where you aren't allowed to like popular things without constantly being on the defensive about it since every flaw ever is always magnified and treated as a game ruining flaw.
Oot wasn't very good because my first zelda was alltp which I got with my snes for xmas and nothing will ever compare to getting alltp on the snes that xmas at my grandmas house. Man I was so stoked to get my snes that xmas. So oot is objectively shit because of the overwhelming volume evidence I have presented here today.
american millennials are just very, very loud. although it's not really their fault since the game was groomed to be skub from the start. nintendo had to shore up sales for their shitty console somehow.
>Why do you people always b***h and whine about people liking games then bitterly bring up other, similar games?
Hipsters. It's basically people trying to prove their superior by liking the same thing but rarer thereby proving their taste is superior or whatever. It's not even that they like the other games more. It's important that people KNOW they like the other games more than the shitty ones they like
Zelda is well liked and /vr/ has a serious hipster / contrarian issue where you aren't allowed to like popular things without constantly being on the defensive about it since every flaw ever is always magnified and treated as a game ruining flaw.
This, honestly it's better on this board than most other places on the internet but everyone feels the need to nitpick OoT constantly. I swear people who bash on OoT haven't actually played anything from gen 5 because OoT feels so much more 'modern' than nearly every other game from that gen. Honestly it's amazing how much it changed for the industry when you play other 5th gen games and see just how much stuff that people take for granted wasn't standard yet.
Literally no point in playing OOT after MM came out. It blows every aspect of Ocarina out of the water, gameplay, story, atmosphere, visuals, variety, soul, and music.
either that or they're a Majora's Mask hipster like this guy who I swear did not exist until like the 2010s.
While I agree that OoT feels more "modern" than other 5th gen games I also think that's not automatically a good thing. I don't consider a game inherently interesting because it's 3D. In fact, 3D games can quickly get bloated and tedious simply dealing with mundane activities like moving through the environment. A simple activity like entering a town and crossing the main square to talk to a shopkeeper that takes sub-3 seconds in a 2D game might take 20 seconds in a 3D game not counting animated cutscenes intruding on the activity. Many players often aren't even aware of how much time they spend on 3D walking simulation. They like the immersion. But others find it tedious. People joke about Hyrule Field, which is somewhat of a red herring example, but the general issue carries throughout 3D game design. How do you balance immersion with gameplay? It was never really an issue with 2D games.
it's zoomers trying to escape from the shadow of millennials and establish themselves as the new voice of the internet, which entails desperately trying to tear down millennial icons like OoT.
the real fun of ocarina of time comes from learning how you can break the game's systems to your benefit, e.g. doing some of the adult dungeons out of order, finding weird exploits (like using farore's wind to travel between dungeons), getting items in unconventional orders, and looking for obscure secrets. the game can be very tedious and unfun if you just try to run from dungeon to dungeon in the "intended" way. it isn't difficult, it isn't all too long, no individual battle or puzzle is particularly engaging, but if you take time to just soak in the world, dick around with items and try to do weird shit, it becomes one of the best games ever. if you don't get it, you don't get it.
>doing some of the adult dungeons out of order,
doesn't this involve partially completing some dungeons, leaving and going to another? Seems like a dumb waste of time because the game is only really designed for you to complete forest/fire/water in any order, and then pick between doing shadow or spirit.
yes and no. you can do fire before forest without any finagling, you can also do water before fire, but then if you wanted to do, say, water before forest, you'd need to at least retrieve the long shot from water first. it sounds pointless but it actually does change the game somewhat, e.g. if you have the iron boots and long shot it makes forest temple a lot easier (you can long shot up those vines without even fighting the skulltulas, or walk through the underwater tunnel without ever draining it, etc). also IIRC spirit can be done before shadow and before water, there are more options than just forest/water/fire. you also have to take into account the mini dungeons like ice cavern which can be done at basically any time. it's more something you do after you've already beaten the game once and want to keep things fresh, and granted it doesn't change the outcome of the game, but it can add interesting twists to the experience and let you use things in ways you otherwise never would have used them, like having the long shot in forest temple.
it's about experimenting and finding interesting ways to break the game. you plan on new routes on every play through and try unconventional methods for progressing through the game. it turns the whole experience into a puzzle that you can invent new ways to solve. if you don't get it, maybe the game isn't for you.
It's never required and just makes it more tedious. Maybe *your* game isn't for other people, but Ocarina is as accessible as it can get for 1998.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you sound like a really boring person. if you don't like to play the game in the normal way and you don't like to play the game in an unconventional way, then you probably just dont like the game, and that's fine. nobody cares if you don't like it and nobody is making you try. personally I enjoy the process of experimenting and finding unconventional solutions to issues. if you don't get that, maybe you're just a rigid NPC who wants a dopamine burst instead of intellectual stimulation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you sound like a really boring person.
I think progressing in a dungeon, leaving, traveling across an empty world map just to progress in another sounds intensely boring. Zelda games already have enough downtime with the way too verbose conversations, way too verbose chest opening, way too uninteresting of a world that I see no reason to add to the tedium of an already slow and uneventful experience. Maybe if the game was more interesting, or better built around it by perhaps interconnecting dungeons together it would be more reasonable to have players want to kick themselves out of dungeons that are designed to be completed in one shot it would be worth doing this.
As it is, it seems like an obtuse attempt to convince yourself that the game is more interesting than it actually is. Especially because every dungeon in the game kicks off the event of getting a new item with a gauntlet of challenges leading up to the dungeon boss. Breaking that momentum in design is both poorly thought out and creates another unnecessary layer of stop and go gameplay & progress to a game already full of it.
You sound more entertained by the idea of doing this than actually doing it, it doesn't sound remotely fun and this isn't helped by gameplay that is ultimately not very fun.
2 years ago
Anonymous
honestly I'm not gonna read any of that because it's just going to be more tired criticisms from a soulless NPC. to each their own.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Thanks for conceding.
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh well.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Incredible! The way you totally and utterly destroyed that guy has convinced me that you're right about everything!
PLEASE let me suck your dick!!
>I find this game intensely boring. Why is it so popular?
It was fun and mindblowing to run around a colorful world doing lame little chores in 3D when I was 10 years old in 1998. It was good training for modern chore simulators that didn't even need a quest log or waypoint markers on the map.
Because it's overrated, a very mediocre game. Sadly was baby's first zelda game for many, nostalgia blinds them. And it's trending lower and lower on top 100 lists.
You modern kids sure love to larp as those that came before you and had better to do with their lives, games as a whole were not that popular and overrated as today and to dedicate your whole life with, it was just a little hobby
But it's not anymore, oot is not trending as the second coming anymore, nostalgia glasses finally of. Only millenials who were kids when it launched still care.
Because many finally grew up and became more objective about the game and its flaws.
It has big queer energy
>trending >queer
Nothing but modern internet toxic cancer that ruins everything it touches, i already know you folks are waiting to reduce the Zelda series like Sonic that it never had good games and was never good
>You modern kids
the opposite tbqh
I was 19 when OoT came out. I thought it was boring and not at all like the Zeldas I grew up playing. I was expecting lots of combat and exploring a hazardous wilderness to find dungeons and instead I got cucco roundup.
Not a hipster, there's nothing special about why I didn't like it, all my peers at the time felt the same way. They'd have just rather played Quake, Half-Life, Heroes II of Might and Magic, Baldur's Gate, and any of a dozen other PC and Console games out at the time.
I agree except that I don't call it mediocre trash. I think it's pretty good for what it is and the era it was made, I'm just not into it. > I swear people who bash on OoT haven't actually played anything from gen 5 because OoT feels so much more 'modern' than nearly every other game from that gen.
While I agree that OoT feels more "modern" than other 5th gen games I also think that's not automatically a good thing. I don't consider a game inherently interesting because it's 3D. In fact, 3D games can quickly get bloated and tedious simply dealing with mundane activities like moving through the environment. A simple activity like entering a town and crossing the main square to talk to a shopkeeper that takes sub-3 seconds in a 2D game might take 20 seconds in a 3D game not counting animated cutscenes intruding on the activity. Many players often aren't even aware of how much time they spend on 3D walking simulation. They like the immersion. But others find it tedious. People joke about Hyrule Field, which is somewhat of a red herring example, but the general issue carries throughout 3D game design. How do you balance immersion with gameplay? It was never really an issue with 2D games.
>I find this game intensely boring. Why is it so popular?
It was fun and mindblowing to run around a colorful world doing lame little chores in 3D when I was 10 years old in 1998. It was good training for modern chore simulators that didn't even need a quest log or waypoint markers on the map.
Because it's overrated, a very mediocre game. Sadly was baby's first zelda game for many, nostalgia blinds them. And it's trending lower and lower on top 100 lists.
But it's not anymore, oot is not trending as the second coming anymore, nostalgia glasses finally of. Only millenials who were kids when it launched still care.
Zoomers think rehashing the same discussions that were worn out before they even knew how to read and playing grabass with each other online is "trolling."
Literally no point in playing OOT after MM came out. It blows every aspect of Ocarina out of the water, gameplay, story, atmosphere, visuals, variety, soul, and music.
When I played this game, I didn't really get into it until after the Door of Time had been opened. >shit hits the fan >the friends you made as a child all die sacrificing themselves
on the other hand, it might mean that you established, in your head, that game as the standard by which all other games should be judged. So axiomatically (for you), no game can ever possibly be as good as OOT. This is because subconsciously, you determine the quality of a game as being how closely it evokes the feelings that OoT gave you as a child.
Meanwhile, people who are older than you and base their tastes around games made in the 80s and early 90s (including the original Legend of Zelda), and younger than you who base their tastes on games made in the last 10-15 years (including games like Minecraft, GTA V, and Super Mario Odyssey) won't agree.
And most of those people probably have a more robust sense of what makes a good game, given that they probably like a handful of different kinds of games and don't pretend like there is just one game to internalize as the pinnacle of what all videogames aspire to be (although for zoomers, Minecraft might come close).
I didn't play oot as a child. Your entire post is unfounded and bizarre. I don't use oot as any kind of metric. You made an enemy in your head to get mad at.
Is this how zeldards function? I can't even conceive of being this mentally arrested. It's beyond approach that this is how some people think. God I'm glad I am above this.
>That guy are making up people who don't exist so you can get mad at them
Nah, I've met lots of people who clearly behave as I described and I'm not mad at any of them. They are the ones who get mad at me when I explain why I didn't like Ocarina of Time.
I'm replaying this for the first time in over a decade and having a good time. It's a pretty great game. The controls are much more awkward than I remember them being (I'm playing Master Quest and the GameCube analog deadzones feel really weird) but it seems to hold up about as well as I expected it to otherwise.
>people are so determined to hate zelda they dismiss anything it does, refuse to see any unique aspects, and say people who like them are just fanboys
I really don't get this, no other popular series gets treated like this here. You don't have to like the games but why work so tirelessly to try to tear them down? It makes no sense. Why does liking a zelda game mean you're somehow dumb or inexperienced? The games do unique things. The gameplay is unique. I like them for that
Nah it's just not the greatest game ever as it's meme'd to be.
Has good atmosphere and the world design is great if you don't miss having real action challenges. The story is competent and the aesthetics are varied and memorable. The controls are about as good as they could be for 1998 and the N64 controller of the time and it's satisfying to just move link around and perform basic interaction with the world like running and climbing and falling sword-whacking bushes.
But I just get bored trying to play it. I don't really enjoy shit like catching fish in a bottle to deliver to jabu jabu in order to move on with the game. Just not my cup of tea and every time I mention it there's always someone who loses their mind and can't comprehend that someone exists who doesn't also think OoT is the best game of all time.
>You don't have to like the games but why work so tirelessly to try to tear them down?
posting my opinion is tiring? lol it's just fun talking about this stuff dude, don't develop a complex over it. Are you reacting like this because you made up your mind back in 1998?
I don't understand the hype around most of the big games during the 5th generation, OoT, Mario 64, or Final Fantasy 7. The only game I thought was worth the praise was MGS.
Its a lot of fun and its really well made as well as having the distinction of being one of the only polygonal 3D games of the 5th gen that actually controls well and is maybe even the only polygonal 3d 5th gen action-adventure game that actually controls well.
We don't need this bait thread again. I think the game is quite mixed but it has an obvious charm. Nevertheless:
>running through empty Hyrule Field
>stopping the game to play an Ocarina every minute
>the text speed
>waiting for the fricking skulltulas to show their weak spot (what tactical advantage does this give them?) so I can proceed with the game
>extremely tame slog before the adult link dungeons
>the fricking analogue stick deadzones
There's so much to love in OoT and it shines like the sun when it shines, but its lows don't make me come back to it very often. Every 3D Zelda aside from MM is obviously superior
>controls well
No homie
The later 3d zeldas are actually a step down in terms of control. i guess thats the downside of not having a stick as precise as the N64 one anymore
Funny you say that because both oot and mm are the only good 3d Zelda. I guess I can regard your opinion as trash
>Every 3D Zelda aside from MM is obviously superior
Talking about shitty bait
>running through empty Hyrule Field
You’re supposed to use Epona idiot
>stopping the game to play an Ocarina every minute
No arguments here. I wonder if the PC port fixes this yet.
>the text speed
Never bothered me. You can skip text, you know.
>waiting for the fricking skulltulas to show their weak spot (what tactical advantage does this give them?) so I can proceed with the game
He doesn’t know…
>extremely tame slog before the adult link dungeons
Bizarre take. I can’t imagine anyone feels this way on their first playthrough, not to mention that difficulty curve is a thing.
>the fricking analogue stick deadzones
This is probably valid, but it’s also not a big deal.
>You’re supposed to use Epona idiot
You get ebola in the latter half of the game. Also, I'm not supposed to do a sidequest – that's why it's a sidequest. If the main quest isn't fun, why bother?
>difficulty curve is a thing
Smooth difficulty curve is counterintuitive because if the game tries too hard to prepare you then the player is always as good as the game. It's going to have to kick you in the face here and there to be interesting
>waiting for the fricking skulltulas to show their weak spot
my sides
these aren't even negative things against the game, save for the text speed
and even then it you're so hellbent on skipping content then why bother playing the game
>these aren't even negative things against the game
Yes they are
The game is also shit before Forest Temple
Ganker tier opinion
>muh good for the era it was made
This is my least favorite take when it comes to games. People don't say this nearly as much when it comes to old music and movies, so why old games can't be good NOW?
Look at how many indies with retro visuals and mechanics gets released nowadays. There is an audience for these games that still find then fun today, right now. They can run in any laptop and portable system, and are a fine distraction, it has nothing to do with "nostalgia". That fricking word is everywhere now and no one seems to know what the feeling of being nostalgic actually means.
Ocarina of Time is a game in the Zelda series, and does not stray far from Zelda mechanics. Which means that even though it's 3D game that features combat, it is not the main draw of the game, it's just another layer of puzzles to figure out.
That means like other Zelda games, it's mostly an adventure about linear exploration and figuring out puzzles. The slow start of these games may be it's weakest aspect, but this kind of gameplay with carefully planned slow sections that builds up to more loud scenes and a satisfying climax and conclusion became the mainstay of the story heavy Zelda games. It's worth it if you have the patience.
Playing this after mega man legends, it's such an obvious step down in world, character and story. Ocarina does nothing interesting or worth experiencing.
b8
are there any characters as interesting in ocarina of time as tron bonne? Even no-name npcs have more personality than main characters in Ocarina of Time. On top of all this the world is far more thought out in Legends. Ocarina of Time is mostly just a flat map where everything is spread out, MML does far more interesting things with connecting all the dungeons together along with the overworld. Best thing Ocarina has is a nonsensical teleport between the lake and the forest which is never remotely useful and only serves to put into question how these obviously distant places are even connected.
Never mind that MML has actual lore and connections to the rest of Mega Man. There is a reason cope channels like Commonwealth Realm spend all their time trying to prove Zelda has a story with themes instead of discussing said story
Ive never played a mega man game so i dont see how this is a plus. I simply enjoy playing OoT and MM. if this good maybe ill play it. but you dont have to be such an butthole 24/7
MML has a story in its own right.
OoT's story is Ganon is bad and you stop him, then 37yo virgins spend their days analysing the connection between Ganon is bad (OoT) and Ganon is bad (CDi), being mystified by this breathtaking literary masterpiece
OoT is underrated for its story and atmosphere to be honest man. you're being a bit unfair to it. I mean the boss fight to OoT has probably the most amazing atmosphere ive ever experienced in any video game.
OOT has awesome music and feels like there’s a parallel world inside the game. MML feels like you’re exploring a really good anime with a dungeon crawler tacked on. Both are good and it’s hard for me to do a firm ranking between them.
>MML has a story in its own right.
MML's story is like a shitty anime. There's a reason nobody ever talks about it, there's nothing to say.
the connections to the earlier games are one of the most interesting things about Legends. Legends being the last thing to happen in the "timeline" indicating at some point things got completely fricked is what makes the lack of a third installment so painfully blue balling.
I mean, MML3 was never going to reveal new lore details that MMZ or ZX didn’t. I was shocked when the Internet became more populated and I learned that people wanted a sequel to resolve the “cliffhanger” in MML2.
Dude, it’s just a joke. He’s stuck on the moon, and the two engineer qts are working together to get their megadick back to Earth. The implication is that they will do so and live happily ever after with wincest and tsundere doujin material to fill in the details.
I assume the "Master System" mentioned in MML3 is related to the Sage Trinity
ocarina of time has the virtue of not subjecting me to smug and obnoxious Ganker posts. maybe you should just talk about what you do enjoy and reasons others should try it instead of trying to sneer at people for enjoying something you dont
>ocarina of time has the virtue of not subjecting me to smug and obnoxious Ganker posts.
lol:
I don't see how that is smug or obnoxious at all. I'm thinking of tomb raider or quest 64.
All you can do is point out to things that don't actually matter. You're talking about how lived in the world is with how it makes sense with how everything is orientated and how NPCs are. That has nothing to do with how the game plays. There is a reason to why you swerved around mentioning dungeon design or anything gameplay related due to Megaman Legends being dreadfully dull for majority of the time.
What you mean you don't like dark lifeless dungeons with no music in your Mega Man game? Or all the bosses being giant machines? Or the on rails turret segments?
>completely mogs all ocarina enemies
no zelda games will ever have enemies this enjoyable to fight
Every enemy/boss in MML that isn't heavily scripted is easily beaten by circle strafing.
>he circle strafed into gunfire
>he had his armor broken
sorry, no fairies to revive you if you die kid lmao.
That fight is heavily scripted.
So are zeldas
so you're saying that for most bosses you just run in circles but the good one is like a zelda boss fight? interesting
>run in a circle
>jump sometimes
I agree as a kid who always enjoyed RPGs and story over “lonely” gameplay-focused experiences.
I disagree as an adult who has already consumed mountains of fiction and now wants games that provide a more eclectic challenge. That said, I’ve played OOT around 5 times and MML2 3 times, so I do love both.
do we really need this thread again
now i gotta figure out away to pick up a copy of mega man 64 for cheap :/ really didnt need more games. i hate this anon shill
Boomer here.
I have played every Zelda game upon release and I can honestly agree. I never cared for either of the 64 games. Overrated as hell. I thought Zelda died with the NES. And then when I got myself a Gamecube, I fell in love with Wind Waker. The last good Zelda game we got after NES. Everything after WW has just been ugh...garbage.
Sounds like your brain is rotting. especially since you cant justify any of your opinions AT ALL whatsofricking ever. do you like the newer zelda games too? Fricking christ. Is this what you people do all day? just go on the internet and assert things with zero justification? i get that that its an opinion but when you're going to give it one should at least attempt some kind of reasoning. especially if you're going to talk about how much you dislike what is a cultural and industrial touchstone for many people. i mean what else can someone even do with your useless ass post?
>wow this guys so cool he dislikes games people like
Seething nintendie holy kek
>implying I even like zelda games
they're NPCs. their MO is to provoke humans in order to observe what sentience looks like.
having bad taste inst a replacement for a personality
It literally is though. I for one am far more interested in talking to someone who says 'OoT is overrated I think the real great action-adventure is mega man legends' over someone who goes 'bro OoT is the best game ever I cry every time...'
>I'm far more interested in talking to myself
The ego of this man.
Nah not a samegay I'm not that mega man guy but honestly I could spend hours talking to myself.
His tattoo says moot
If you are playing it for the first time as a bitter old man, you probably wont enjoy it. Thats not saying newer stuff did it "better", you are just burned out on other action games copying its ideas. If you played it as a kid, it shines. And no not " WELL ANY GAME IS GOOD WHEN YOU'RE A KID", its an extremely high quality type of experience, the peak of "kid goes on big adventure in fantasy world" game experience and if you are the age to appreciate it for that, then its not going to be beat. Its just a higher quality experience then the things you could have been consuming and doesn't try to go too far up its own ass(twilight princess) or feel like an incomplete experience (wind waker). Majora you could say is the better "game play", but OoT is the "Super Mario Bros" of 3D Zelda/action games for a reason and Nintendo will probably never be able to recapture that experience, even if they tried.
Im legit sorry you cant appreciate it in the right mindset. Personally, i overplayed it to the point i got sick of it and idk if il ever be able to enjoy playing it again, but i played a lot of games as a kid and OoT will always stand out as probably the best memories i had experiencing a game blind for the first time of any game i ever played. I dont care if that "doesn't make it a contemporary good game", its still one of the best experiences i ever had and il always have memories of it so contrary gays can suck my nintendo boomer manbaby wiener.
So you admit oot rides exclusively in nostalgia and I'd objectively out done by evfn it's contemporaries
By contemporary you mean other games released around it? In that case, no, OoT is the best action adventure game of the 5th gen easily as a full package. Id say its probably better then most after its time as well, but im not fully familiar with everything that came out after it so i cant say for sure, but i have played most every action game on the ps1, N64 and saturn (and late 90s pc) and as a full experience, OoT is the highest. Id say if not the best still by modern standards, its still up there in a top 10. If we're talking Majora, its hard to say. I think on a technical level, Majora is better with the time mechanics and the tight world design, but it doesn't capture the same spirit of adventure as OoT which is what im focusing on.
>Full package
The cope of every zelda fan.
Zelda does nothing better than ultima Vii. Or MM6
>Zelda does nothing better than ultima Vii. Or MM6
How about having gameplay that anybody would ever want to experience?
It's gameplay is just a casualized less interesting version of the games I mentioned
>less interesting gameplay
That's not possible with Ultima VII.
Its also a 3d game compared to the 2d ones you are bringing up for some reason.
TES series then might and magic6. Wizardry8.
And you're still comparing it to completely different genres. Like sure, Morrowind is fine, but its Dune compared to Neverending Story (OoT). Its not at all the same style of pick up and play adventure game. Im sure you will cry casual game if all you consume is crpgs, but its just not a comparable set of games. If you want one up on zelda though, il say elder scrolls does a much better job being an open world with actual depth then breath of the mild.
>pick up and play
>forest temple is halfway through the game
yawn
You are literally in the first dungeon in less then 10mins at the start of the game.
And the game is tame as frick for the first half
Literally what 3d zelda game is pick up and play? Forest temple is halfway through oot. In wind waker you sit through an unskippable boring cutscenes. Tutorial island .weird stealth sequence. Tutorial island 2. Sailing forever. Island intro and then the first dungeon starts. Tp has cutscenes tutorial village filled with unrelated minor game mechanics that don't matter but take forever to go through. Cutscenes Weird twilight bullshit. More cutscenes. Weird stealth sequence. More cutscenes. Weird twilight bullshit 2 with moronic collectathon elements. More cutscenes. More walking through places you've already been. And finally the first dungeon starts
What the frick are you and the tard before you talking about? Are the first 3 dungeons of Ocarina absent in whatever version you are playing? You have a tutorial village to dick around in and then you are in the first dungeon. Yeah i agree, every 3d zelda after does take forever, but OoT gets you right in.
Maybe cause its the start of the game? It at least prepares you for how future dungeons will be navigated instead of the slow slog in later zeldas. If you are playing OoT for the first time after 20+ years of other games, yeah it probably would feel "tame", but acting like the child sections dont exist makes you seem moronic.
There is zero reason for OoT not to have started you off at forest temple difficulty and get harder from there. The child dungeons are literally sleepwalking. Imagine if we started at the equivalent of forest temple difficulty and only went up from there. Getting 3 dungeons more interesting and harder than spirit temple
>it's the start of the game, so it shouldn't be fun
For fricks sake, gotta wait for the game to get good? I can prepare myself for future dungeons by playing those fricking dungeons. With a game like Sonic Adventure 2 many would argue that the first level is the best; with OoT the debate is instead which is the first level to be enjoyable. Not going to sift through cow shit for hours and hours to get to the good part, even goatfricking in TP has more momentum
Like the cope of needing to compare western crpgs to a Japanese action adventure game because you have nothing else to think of? Why not compare it to something else completely unrelated like Final fantasy 7?
>adult finds children's game for children to be boring
What did you expect?
Style over substance. Games that attracted a new generation with pretty 3d graphics (at the time) and clunky, shit gameplay that they didn't know any better about.
Why N64/PS1 shouldn't be retro.
you just had to be there
>you had to be a dumb clueless kid
fixed it for you
Nah, kids back then were not such spoiled baiting brats of nowadays, less shitty parents
>Why is it so popular?
It's not really that popular. Tomb Raider 2 outsold it (lol)
Its grossly inflated internet presence is because of the massive and somewhat inexplicable dominance of the N64 in North America. It also depends heavily on nostalgia. If you play it for the first time today it's unlikely it'll do anything for you.
>multiplat outsold exclusive
whoa...
Nintendo games tend to be "exclusives" because no one else wants them. Funny how that works.
yes that's why the pcuck golden boy carmack begged ninty to let him do a mario port for PC 🙂
>Tomb Raider 2 outsold it (lol)
Tomb Raider was incredibly popular and for good reason.
I'm not bashing Tomb Raider. My point is a lot of sacred cows, particularly those from the 90s, have a bigger reputation for circumstantial reasons. Another example is EarthBound.
Why do Gankertards hate Zelda so much
Because its bad to enjoy games made by Nintendo, especially if they are successful.
The hate OoT gets is just like the Rare haters. "They weren't that great." Yeah, for the era compared to other companies of the time, they actually were. Same with OoT. Hate it all you want, but you are going to be hard pressed to find something of equivalent quality from the era it came out in that captures the same kind of feel.
The N64 era as a whole is overrated to shit, so you're not wrong when you say that during that period Ocarina of Time was shoulders above its competition. I was always a Playstation guy and I really didn't feel like I was missing out on much, Nintendo felt kiddy then.
>For the era
Nah. Objectively compared to anything. It's good.
Attention.
Zelda is well liked and /vr/ has a serious hipster / contrarian issue where you aren't allowed to like popular things without constantly being on the defensive about it since every flaw ever is always magnified and treated as a game ruining flaw.
I played this game for like 5 minutes and it was unberable
Oot wasn't very good because my first zelda was alltp which I got with my snes for xmas and nothing will ever compare to getting alltp on the snes that xmas at my grandmas house. Man I was so stoked to get my snes that xmas. So oot is objectively shit because of the overwhelming volume evidence I have presented here today.
just play pic related
it's more fun, better, and came out one year earlier on the same console
Because you aren't the only view point or person that matters, moron
american millennials are just very, very loud. although it's not really their fault since the game was groomed to be skub from the start. nintendo had to shore up sales for their shitty console somehow.
>since the game was groomed to be skub from the start
How?
Because Nintendo did a good job in actually advertising it.
just relax and enjoy it 🙂
Why do you people always b***h and whine about people liking games then bitterly bring up other, similar games?
>Why do you people always b***h and whine about people liking games then bitterly bring up other, similar games?
Hipsters. It's basically people trying to prove their superior by liking the same thing but rarer thereby proving their taste is superior or whatever. It's not even that they like the other games more. It's important that people KNOW they like the other games more than the shitty ones they like
This, honestly it's better on this board than most other places on the internet but everyone feels the need to nitpick OoT constantly. I swear people who bash on OoT haven't actually played anything from gen 5 because OoT feels so much more 'modern' than nearly every other game from that gen. Honestly it's amazing how much it changed for the industry when you play other 5th gen games and see just how much stuff that people take for granted wasn't standard yet.
either that or they're a Majora's Mask hipster like this guy who I swear did not exist until like the 2010s.
While I agree that OoT feels more "modern" than other 5th gen games I also think that's not automatically a good thing. I don't consider a game inherently interesting because it's 3D. In fact, 3D games can quickly get bloated and tedious simply dealing with mundane activities like moving through the environment. A simple activity like entering a town and crossing the main square to talk to a shopkeeper that takes sub-3 seconds in a 2D game might take 20 seconds in a 3D game not counting animated cutscenes intruding on the activity. Many players often aren't even aware of how much time they spend on 3D walking simulation. They like the immersion. But others find it tedious. People joke about Hyrule Field, which is somewhat of a red herring example, but the general issue carries throughout 3D game design. How do you balance immersion with gameplay? It was never really an issue with 2D games.
2d is boring
your posts are boring
Go back to your generic indie games
Still not interesting.
it's zoomers trying to escape from the shadow of millennials and establish themselves as the new voice of the internet, which entails desperately trying to tear down millennial icons like OoT.
"millinial icons like oot" LMFAO OOTrannies are delusional. Incredile how they sperg when someone tells them the e truth about their overrated game.
the real fun of ocarina of time comes from learning how you can break the game's systems to your benefit, e.g. doing some of the adult dungeons out of order, finding weird exploits (like using farore's wind to travel between dungeons), getting items in unconventional orders, and looking for obscure secrets. the game can be very tedious and unfun if you just try to run from dungeon to dungeon in the "intended" way. it isn't difficult, it isn't all too long, no individual battle or puzzle is particularly engaging, but if you take time to just soak in the world, dick around with items and try to do weird shit, it becomes one of the best games ever. if you don't get it, you don't get it.
>doing some of the adult dungeons out of order,
doesn't this involve partially completing some dungeons, leaving and going to another? Seems like a dumb waste of time because the game is only really designed for you to complete forest/fire/water in any order, and then pick between doing shadow or spirit.
yes and no. you can do fire before forest without any finagling, you can also do water before fire, but then if you wanted to do, say, water before forest, you'd need to at least retrieve the long shot from water first. it sounds pointless but it actually does change the game somewhat, e.g. if you have the iron boots and long shot it makes forest temple a lot easier (you can long shot up those vines without even fighting the skulltulas, or walk through the underwater tunnel without ever draining it, etc). also IIRC spirit can be done before shadow and before water, there are more options than just forest/water/fire. you also have to take into account the mini dungeons like ice cavern which can be done at basically any time. it's more something you do after you've already beaten the game once and want to keep things fresh, and granted it doesn't change the outcome of the game, but it can add interesting twists to the experience and let you use things in ways you otherwise never would have used them, like having the long shot in forest temple.
sounds like a tedious way to rearrange dungeons I already know all the answers to the puzzles to, I don't see this improving the game.
it's about experimenting and finding interesting ways to break the game. you plan on new routes on every play through and try unconventional methods for progressing through the game. it turns the whole experience into a puzzle that you can invent new ways to solve. if you don't get it, maybe the game isn't for you.
It's never required and just makes it more tedious. Maybe *your* game isn't for other people, but Ocarina is as accessible as it can get for 1998.
you sound like a really boring person. if you don't like to play the game in the normal way and you don't like to play the game in an unconventional way, then you probably just dont like the game, and that's fine. nobody cares if you don't like it and nobody is making you try. personally I enjoy the process of experimenting and finding unconventional solutions to issues. if you don't get that, maybe you're just a rigid NPC who wants a dopamine burst instead of intellectual stimulation.
>you sound like a really boring person.
I think progressing in a dungeon, leaving, traveling across an empty world map just to progress in another sounds intensely boring. Zelda games already have enough downtime with the way too verbose conversations, way too verbose chest opening, way too uninteresting of a world that I see no reason to add to the tedium of an already slow and uneventful experience. Maybe if the game was more interesting, or better built around it by perhaps interconnecting dungeons together it would be more reasonable to have players want to kick themselves out of dungeons that are designed to be completed in one shot it would be worth doing this.
As it is, it seems like an obtuse attempt to convince yourself that the game is more interesting than it actually is. Especially because every dungeon in the game kicks off the event of getting a new item with a gauntlet of challenges leading up to the dungeon boss. Breaking that momentum in design is both poorly thought out and creates another unnecessary layer of stop and go gameplay & progress to a game already full of it.
You sound more entertained by the idea of doing this than actually doing it, it doesn't sound remotely fun and this isn't helped by gameplay that is ultimately not very fun.
honestly I'm not gonna read any of that because it's just going to be more tired criticisms from a soulless NPC. to each their own.
Thanks for conceding.
oh well.
Incredible! The way you totally and utterly destroyed that guy has convinced me that you're right about everything!
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It can out when we were children so therefore it’s amazeballs.
You modern kids sure love to larp as those that came before you and had better to do with their lives, games as a whole were not that popular and overrated as today and to dedicate your whole life with, it was just a little hobby
*whoosh*
Keep coping even in 1998 oot was trash, it also ran like trash at around 20fps. Luckily people now see it for what it is and is down trending hard
>trending
>queer
Nothing but modern internet toxic cancer that ruins everything it touches, i already know you folks are waiting to reduce the Zelda series like Sonic that it never had good games and was never good
>You modern kids
the opposite tbqh
I was 19 when OoT came out. I thought it was boring and not at all like the Zeldas I grew up playing. I was expecting lots of combat and exploring a hazardous wilderness to find dungeons and instead I got cucco roundup.
Not a hipster, there's nothing special about why I didn't like it, all my peers at the time felt the same way. They'd have just rather played Quake, Half-Life, Heroes II of Might and Magic, Baldur's Gate, and any of a dozen other PC and Console games out at the time.
Yup, but OOTrannies can't grasp the fact that many people did not like their favorite game and see it for what it is, overrated mediocre trash.
I agree except that I don't call it mediocre trash. I think it's pretty good for what it is and the era it was made, I'm just not into it.
> I swear people who bash on OoT haven't actually played anything from gen 5 because OoT feels so much more 'modern' than nearly every other game from that gen.
While I agree that OoT feels more "modern" than other 5th gen games I also think that's not automatically a good thing. I don't consider a game inherently interesting because it's 3D. In fact, 3D games can quickly get bloated and tedious simply dealing with mundane activities like moving through the environment. A simple activity like entering a town and crossing the main square to talk to a shopkeeper that takes sub-3 seconds in a 2D game might take 20 seconds in a 3D game not counting animated cutscenes intruding on the activity. Many players often aren't even aware of how much time they spend on 3D walking simulation. They like the immersion. But others find it tedious. People joke about Hyrule Field, which is somewhat of a red herring example, but the general issue carries throughout 3D game design. How do you balance immersion with gameplay? It was never really an issue with 2D games.
>I find this game intensely boring. Why is it so popular?
It was fun and mindblowing to run around a colorful world doing lame little chores in 3D when I was 10 years old in 1998. It was good training for modern chore simulators that didn't even need a quest log or waypoint markers on the map.
Because it's overrated, a very mediocre game. Sadly was baby's first zelda game for many, nostalgia blinds them. And it's trending lower and lower on top 100 lists.
>extremely popular game that still makes it to top of all time lists is actually.... BAD!
based unpopular opinioners
But it's not anymore, oot is not trending as the second coming anymore, nostalgia glasses finally of. Only millenials who were kids when it launched still care.
How are nostalgia goggles off if those who played it still think fondly of it? You wouldn't have nostalgia if you played it afterwards.
Because many finally grew up and became more objective about the game and its flaws.
>But it's not anymore
I dunno, you're seething about it being popular, so.
has anyone posted romhacks that can work on an ED64?
It has big queer energy
I find this thread intensely boring. Why is it so popular?
Zoomers think rehashing the same discussions that were worn out before they even knew how to read and playing grabass with each other online is "trolling."
>125 replies to the most entry-level possible /vr/ question that's potentially bait anyways
I miss gatekeeping. We should do it more.
Literally no point in playing OOT after MM came out. It blows every aspect of Ocarina out of the water, gameplay, story, atmosphere, visuals, variety, soul, and music.
I agree. And I thought that when it came out.
Am I allowed to like both MML and OoT?
I think so.
Autism
Nintengia
Why do people get so defensive whenever someone dares to say anything bad about this game
Ego
When I played this game, I didn't really get into it until after the Door of Time had been opened.
>shit hits the fan
>the friends you made as a child all die sacrificing themselves
Maybe you just have shit taste
It's a nice and comfy adventure game, it's fun to just go around looking for shit to do. It's not really good for intense action.
It's just the best game of all time. I think that says a lot over how little video games have developed
on the other hand, it might mean that you established, in your head, that game as the standard by which all other games should be judged. So axiomatically (for you), no game can ever possibly be as good as OOT. This is because subconsciously, you determine the quality of a game as being how closely it evokes the feelings that OoT gave you as a child.
Meanwhile, people who are older than you and base their tastes around games made in the 80s and early 90s (including the original Legend of Zelda), and younger than you who base their tastes on games made in the last 10-15 years (including games like Minecraft, GTA V, and Super Mario Odyssey) won't agree.
And most of those people probably have a more robust sense of what makes a good game, given that they probably like a handful of different kinds of games and don't pretend like there is just one game to internalize as the pinnacle of what all videogames aspire to be (although for zoomers, Minecraft might come close).
I didn't play oot as a child. Your entire post is unfounded and bizarre. I don't use oot as any kind of metric. You made an enemy in your head to get mad at.
Is this how zeldards function? I can't even conceive of being this mentally arrested. It's beyond approach that this is how some people think. God I'm glad I am above this.
Uh no it isn't. That guy (and you) are making up people who don't exist so you can get mad at them
>That guy are making up people who don't exist so you can get mad at them
Nah, I've met lots of people who clearly behave as I described and I'm not mad at any of them. They are the ones who get mad at me when I explain why I didn't like Ocarina of Time.
Because its a girls game
I'm replaying this for the first time in over a decade and having a good time. It's a pretty great game. The controls are much more awkward than I remember them being (I'm playing Master Quest and the GameCube analog deadzones feel really weird) but it seems to hold up about as well as I expected it to otherwise.
>people are so determined to hate zelda they dismiss anything it does, refuse to see any unique aspects, and say people who like them are just fanboys
I really don't get this, no other popular series gets treated like this here. You don't have to like the games but why work so tirelessly to try to tear them down? It makes no sense. Why does liking a zelda game mean you're somehow dumb or inexperienced? The games do unique things. The gameplay is unique. I like them for that
Nah it's just not the greatest game ever as it's meme'd to be.
Has good atmosphere and the world design is great if you don't miss having real action challenges. The story is competent and the aesthetics are varied and memorable. The controls are about as good as they could be for 1998 and the N64 controller of the time and it's satisfying to just move link around and perform basic interaction with the world like running and climbing and falling sword-whacking bushes.
But I just get bored trying to play it. I don't really enjoy shit like catching fish in a bottle to deliver to jabu jabu in order to move on with the game. Just not my cup of tea and every time I mention it there's always someone who loses their mind and can't comprehend that someone exists who doesn't also think OoT is the best game of all time.
Ok so why should I stop liking what I like because you don't like it
You shouldn't stop liking it, you should expand try different kinds of games to appreciate why it's not everyone's favorite.
>You don't have to like the games but why work so tirelessly to try to tear them down?
posting my opinion is tiring? lol it's just fun talking about this stuff dude, don't develop a complex over it. Are you reacting like this because you made up your mind back in 1998?
I don't understand the hype around most of the big games during the 5th generation, OoT, Mario 64, or Final Fantasy 7. The only game I thought was worth the praise was MGS.
Yeah I guess people like different things
Damn, no love at all for Super Mario 64? I can get feeling kinda lukewarm on OoT and FF7 but Mario 64 is the shit, man.
I don't care about mario64 or mgs at all but I really like OoT. Never played ff7.
>Its a "zoomers shit on classic games thread"
Man I hate reruns.
You have no soul. Sucks to suck.
I'd take an N64 with ocarina over a psx with its 20 best games