I fucking love final fantasy. So glad I didn’t listen to the contrarianism surrounding thing this game.
>but… but it’s basic
I’m having a blast
I fucking love final fantasy. So glad I didnt listen to the contrarianism surrounding thing this game.
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Who said anything that it was basic? Good for you if you love the game.
>but… but it’s basic
nobody has ever said this you stupid zoomer filth
Yes they have, zoomer gay. Lurk 5 years before posting.
nice try zoomer
Get off my fucking board, zoom zoom. Your shitty haircut isn’t welcome around these part.
that's a mirror you're talking to, zoomer
It is basic and simplistic, so what exactly is the problem for calling it what it is? Whole story and characters you can summarize it in like 3 sentences because there is no complexity and the combat is as basic as a turn based combat could possibly get.
ok maybe a few anime jrpg freaks say this
>Whole story and characters you can summarize it in like 3 sentences because there is no complexity
who cares nerd
don't play ff2 if you don't want to lose sanity
Why doesn't anyone play the PSP remakes?
I do. They're still the best versions of the first two games (and III)
>(and III)
unironically have a nice day, the 3D remake of III is dogshit
I prefer PS1 versions.
If it has MP instead of spell charges it's not real FF1. That's a boomer opinion I'm standing by. My personal favourite was the PS1 remake.
they ugly as fuck
they are very pretty. they even have way more animation than any other version, they feel more alive than most retro games. they also have cool monster redesigns and clouds flying over towns
I prefer PSX version myself. SNES style still.
>I can’t enjoy new Reddit game
>time to try some old basic bitch reddit game instead!
Wow I’m so proud of you
Nice, is it your first time? Be sure to play 3 and then 5 to really appreciate the job system. 5 has a great fucking cast too.
game
Breath of Fire 3.
Yep, I’ve only ever played 7 and 10. The freedom this game gives you for assembling your team is refreshing. It really feels like D&D
You're gonna love the job system games for sure then, 5 is when you can start using abilities on separate jobs.
also the Bravely Default and Octopath Traveler games carry on with the job stuff if you really get a taste for it
Yeah but is good/better than 5? You say you like the job system and people tell you to play X-2 lmao.
That's kind of up to you but Bravely Default is extremely close to how 5 functions with ability sharing and lets you use more than just 1-3 other abilities from other jobs. Octopath just lets you have a secondary job and has some other quirks.
12 had the most freedom as far as your team assembly goes, or it did before the zodiac job system thing
I prefer having characters stuck in a niche. The "everyone can excel anywhere and is an above average Red Mage" is what I don't like about 6, 7, or 8. At least 6's Esper boosts are locked, 7 and 8 allow for too much on-the-fly customization.
I'm also the kind of person who likes 3 DS's Job Adjustment phase.
Play 5, it has the best class system
breath of fire 3 right there.
RIP
murdered by capcom
I hated jobs in 3, or rather they way they were handled.
>go kill all these enemies to get enough points to actually classchange
>whoopsie there's a mini size dungeon here hope you got the points to turn everyone to mages
>uh oh there's a dungeon full of enemies that split if you attack them without a katana or magic hope you can turn people to mages and dark knights
>lookie here a boss that spams a super strong partywide thunder attack, better go 4 dragoons gay
>DS version removes points but nerfs your stats to near-uselessness for many battles until you ""adjust"", killing the point
I hear the pixel remaster fixed this but fuck me man, what a pain in the ass. Once I realized what dungeons were after the dark knight cave, I quit.
Kamige. Make sure to also play DQ, FF's older brother by one year.
>skipping 4
Why?
4 is mid in a lot of ways. The story is all over the place and feels stream of consciousness at times. You can't customize your party until very late in the game.
What's not mid is how the combat mechanics play into the story. Chefs kiss on that, but overall, the design goals of 4 were accomplished much more fully in 6.
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Also it's probably the most melodramatic out of all the FFs. I cannot take it seriously with all the fake out deaths.
>the design goals of 4 were accomplished much more fully in 6.
No. 6 mechanically sucks.
What makes you say that? I think it had the most fully realized version of ATB in the series and magicite was mostly a great system.
I think the beginning of the game suffers from lack of mechanical complexity because the World of Balance is essentially one long tutorial, but once you're in the World of Ruin the game really opens up and becomes one of the most mechanically interesting in the whole series.
Everything makes me say that. FFVI is the game that broke ATB by letting it run during animations, by the way.
5 has one of the best job systems in JRPGs in general and SE is fucking RETARDED for having to try a new gimmick every game and starting from zero every time. Imagine FF12 with FF5s job system. Fuck man
I genuinely don't understand why they've only ever used the job system on 3, 5, 11 and 14. It's one of the most iconic things about the series.
X-2 also has it, as well as Lightning Returns, and Tactics series
Is lightning returns worth it? 13 filtered me as a teen by chapter 3 but I understand that the 13 series has alot of hype to it to be a trilogy in the first place
it doesn't, they just forced the series because they already had sunk so much money on it, they couldn't backtrack by that point on the PS3's life.
The XIII series gets better gameplay with each entry, but the story gets dumber and dumber. Lightning Returns is fun but you'll have to try not to cringe at the ending.
if you play 5 DON'T TRY TO OPEN ALL THE CHESTS. YOU WILL MANAGE TO OPEN ALL OF THEM AND THINK YOU HAVE ENOUGHT TIME BUT YOU WILL BE TROLLED AT THE END
just be faster 🙂
That joke boss requires at least one minute
it's doable you just gave melt all those monster in a boxes very fast, bring out the nukes fuck your resources there's item to get
I still really hate that font.
It’s uninspired for sure. I think they built these games with mobile in mind
I can't read this fucking font wtf
someone on the steam forums thankfully posted a file to convert it to GBA FF6 font, I have no idea wtf they were thinking with the pixel remaster font
They're all worth playing aside from 2. Be sure to turn on the CRT filter for maximum SOVL. I'm playing them again when they release on the bing bing machine soon.
Play 1 (GBA/PSP)
Don't play 2.
Don't play 3. (although I heard DS remake is better)
Play 4.
Play 5.
Play 6. (use "restored" GBA roms for SNES games)
Play 7.
Play 8.
Play 9.
Play 10.
Don't play 11 (lol).
Don't play 12.
Don't play 13.
Don't play 14 (unless you're an MMOfag).
Don't play 15.
Be cautiously optimistic for 16.
You're welcome.
Any info on undubs?
Don't. FF games are better in English.
Depends on the setting. I'll be playing 16 in English but usually the original language is preferable.
>Undubs
Yes? There area a few, and/or making sure you get a proper version of the game that includes the JP audio as well (ie FFXII's PC edition called The Zodiac Age for instance is the definitive version of the game. Likewise, the FFX and FFX-2 Remaster)
As for actual undub mods, one of the first ones that needs them is Final Fantasy IV (3D Remake). The PC version on Steam is the best version of the 3D variant, but stupid SE didn't include the JP audio. Thankfully there IS a mod that returns it. There are also mods for other things like if you want the classic Nintendo DS font, and/or you want higher framerates in battle (but some of those are wonky and not really worth it). For those playing Final Fantasy IV, I suggest either A) emulating the PSP "Complete Collection" edition, which is the most content heavy 2D version of the game and also comes with the sequel The After Years 2d version. Unfortunately the "pixel remaster" version is very similar to a baseline SNES version (at least its the standard JP release version I think as opposed to the Western FF2us "easy type" which removed abilities like Cecil's Darkness wave among other simplifications and name changes) which may or may not be what you want but the PSP has more content than the SNES, GBA , PS1 etc.. and other versions. or B) Get the 3D Remake version on PC with mods for JP audio , which has a good bit of new content and other improvements on depth/new stuff in its own way , and then there's a FFIV The After Years 3D Remake version also on Steam if you're interested in continuing the story.
Good luck anon!
>Don't play 3. (although I heard DS remake is better)
it's really not terrible especially with the remaster, it's just short
The job level nonsense increasing grind and all around wasted time makes 3ds worse then the famicom version
i was talking about the pixel remaster but yeah, the 3d ones are pretty bloated. i think it works better as a shorter game.
The GBA versions have horrible resolution and sound quality and they suck ass. I would never recommend them. Play the PSP version of IV, the translated SNES version of V, and the SNES Woolsley Uncensored patch for VI.
Restoration patch for GBA fixed the sound. 6 in particular has a digitized version of the real Japanese opera, very cool.
It still has GBA resolution, it's not suitable for playing on an actual monitor.
Psp version of 3 was enjoyable. I feel like only people who skipped it would tell others to skip it.
3>1, 2 and 4
It has the perfect pacing and best overworld design
>Don't play 11 (lol).
?
dead mmo holding the best catgirl race hostage
you can still play it but it won't ever be like it was since the community is mostly old guys that know everything about it already
i started it at the start of last year and have had a blast. obviously with any mmo you aren't ever going to get the mmo feeling but it was a great single player experience, much better than xiv because it's actually an RPG, even more so than pretty much any other FF game
11 is the worst game in the series.
I wouldn't go that far but it's miserable to play. Everything takes forever to do and the controls and UI fucking suck.
It's a game desperately in need of a remaster for modern audiences, but SE has made it very clear nothing like that is ever going to happen for the game.
They outsourced a mobile remake of the game but it got cancelled. You can find screenshots of it out there
But yes, you are spot-on.
>It's a game desperately in need of a remaster for modern audiences
I'd kill you if I got the chance.
Consider that the next game in the series, 12, was made with very similar mechanics yet is much more approachable and far more fluid.
11 is just a heavily flawed game and is very hard to stomach today and I don't think that should be a controversial statement.
>12, was made with very similar mechanics
Not at all and this shit about FFXII being an offline MMO has always been retarded nonsense. FFXII doesn't share any similar mechanics with FFXI. There's no TP, no skillchaining, no jobs or subjobs, and no deep equipment system.
>11 is just a heavily flawed game and is very hard to stomach today
I think this comes entirely from retards trying to play on mouse and keyboard.
>he thinks it's because of m&k
no, it's because you move at molasses speed, you skill up, level up and craft up at molasses speed, and it takes forever to do anything because of the forced co-op (which is cool, to be fair, but it's also unreasonable for a person with responsibilities to put up with)
>you move at molasses speed, you skill up, level up and craft up at molasses speed, and it takes forever to do anything because of the forced co-op
You should try playing the game post-2012
not him but I've played it recently and it's not any different - just the taking out and putting away animations of your weapons takes WAY longer than it feels like it should, and this happens every single time you encounter an enemy
every little thing in the game is like that, the game feels designed to waste your time
>just the taking out and putting away animations of your weapons takes WAY longer than it feels like it should
This is functionally no different than a battle transition in the single player games.
It's really not slow at all. There's increased movement speed now, you can level to 99 within a day, everything skills up extremely quickly, you can solo everything with trusts, and you can mount anywhere at any time except for dungeons. The only remaining complaint is about the UI which comes from mouse and keyboard players.
I'm glad you like the game, anon. I tried to like it but I didn't, for the aforementioned reasons.
increased movement speed in ffxi is like evolving from snail to turtle
and sure, you can level to 99 in a day. sure, bro. I played a different game you did
>and sure, you can level to 99 in a day. sure, bro.
You literally can. If you have a high level friend to do pulls in Escha you can do 99 in a few minutes.
>if you do something that most people can't do
just stfu man
>can only read half a post
No wonder XI filtered you.
yea it's still slow post-2012
it's better, sure, but also if you're saying current ffxi is "the greatest rpg ever" then lol
in 2023 i'd rather play a modern mmo
>it takes forever to do anything because of the forced co-op
They added NPC party members called "Trusts" and you can solo most of the expansions now
that makes it a single-player game and by that metric it has to be compared with ff7, ff10, etc. and it's awful compared with those
11 is trash. It has no respect for your time
I never played 14 but it's probably just as shit
I could never figure out how to even get 11 as a kid. I couldn’t understand if it was a pc game or ps2 game.
I appreciate you laying it out like that, but I would like to play all the main line ff games. I get that some are going to be better than others.
>I would like to play all the main line ff games.
You really don't have to.
i mean you don't have to play games at all, let the man form his own experiences
Play Final Fantasy Tactics, PSX not PSP unless you like overly verbous fanfiction.
>PSX not PSP unless you like overly verbous fanfiction.
look up "The Lion War"
>Play 6. (use "restored" GBA roms for SNES games)
Why not just play the SNES version?
Better scripts and extra content, primarily.
It has some extra dungeons and stuff but frankly it's not really worth it.
I actually have an SNES mini with ff6 on it. I wasn’t sure if I was going to play that one, or PR with QoL updates
FFXI is the greatest rpg of all time and the amount of people who will never even touch it because muh boomer mmo is sickening.
It's an MMO. I'm not playing it because I'm not interested in the genre. Same reason I haven't played XIV, XV and I'm not going to play XVI. Call me when Final Fantasy is actually Final Fantasy again and we'll talk.
>Call me when Final Fantasy is actually Final Fantasy again and we'll talk.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.square_enix.android_googleplay.ffl_gp&hl=en_US&gl=US
>phone game
i h8 square so much you bros have no idea
Phones are closer in power to the consoles of real FF games anyways.
>this better be FF Dimensions
>it is
My fuckin' moron. That game has no right being as good as it is.
All I know from Dimensions is that it has a pretty wicked final boss
Envy did it better
nobody played 11
Worst UI in the history of video games is a pretty incredible achievment.
Seems like its a humongous pain in the ass to even play the damn game.
>Don't play 2.
>Don't play 3. (although I heard DS remake is better)
>Play 6. (use "restored" GBA roms for SNES games)
Ignore this absolute fucking retard. 3 is fucking AMAZING. Fucking moulie...
What a gay ass post. Kys.
>Don't play half the games
Lol
>skipping 2, 3, and 12
>But playing 10
have a nice day you fucking retard. Suckstart a shotgun you fucking deluded Yunachud.
The worst thing is that there are clueless anons who agree with him because other people told them to skip those same games. Imagine being a biological male and letting people on the internet choose what you play.
>Don't play 2
how about you shut fuck
II is great, especially if you like powerleveling
If I was ever going to replay FF2 I would simply play literally any SaGa game instead and have a better time tbh.
Yeah and if I was going to play a JRPG franchise that shit the bed and nearly fucking killed itself three times I'd play Suikoden, but here we are in an FF thread.
Not really the same thing. FF2 is essentially proto-SaGa.
>Not the same thing.
Yes, it is.
It would be more like me suggesting Bravely Default to someone who likes FF5. Which would be a great recommendation and make me smart.
>Yeah and if I was going to play a JRPG franchise that shit the bed and nearly fucking killed itself three times
FF is the series that nearly killed the company twice, lol, SaGa's always been good and didn't have a single bomb.
Well guess what - you can still have a good time playing both FFII and SaGa games. What's wrong with experiencing more of the stuff you like?
FF2 feels like a series of incomplete ideas more than most games in the series to me. It was released slightly less than a year after 1. That's insanely low dev time. While I think it has a lot of cool ideas, I think the execution leaves something to be desired.
what a fucking qt
picked up
>skipping III
>ever
The only excuse for this was how it was nonexistent in the west in the original form until Pixel Remaster. Now there's literally no excuse. FFIII may be just a prototype for V but it's still a more than fine game in its own right. It's also cozy as hell once you get the airship and literally get to live on the thing while flying around.
>Don't play 2
Child's opinion
>Don't play 14
Oh shit moron what are you doing moron
Oh boy, we got a special snowflake here.
FFXIV is one of the hottest games out right now. It's hardly contrarianism. I would never suggest it to someone who isn't already an FF fan. XI ironically is a much better suggestion to new FF fans especially now that you can finish it single-player.
I wasn't talking about FFXIV my man.
2 is better than 3
Such a shame the keyword system didn't become a series staple
It was just a streamlined version of Ultima's dialogue system, it has no reason to exist when you could simply write prepackaged dialogue choices, that's why Ultima eventually dropped manual typing for NPC dialogues too, nobody liked spamming keywords on dozens of NPCs that didn't even have answer for any of them.
It's one of the few things from FF2 that didn't even make it to SaGa.
>shit is better than shit
whatever
fuck off Squall
Go talk to a wall.
Quistis in shambles
ah, there's another one that sucks ass
>use "restored" GBA roms for SNES games
Personally I thought the DS remake was the best version of 4.
currently playing dawn of souls, total kino, ty
PRs are better for I-III and VI. GBA for IV and V.
Just play the pixel remaster of I-VI to annoy retards like this.
Good list, although 2 and 3 are good on PSX versions at least.
The shorter list is just FF7, FF8, and FF10.
The shortest list is just FF7.
Oh, obviously:
Play the originals not the shitty remasters/remakes. And no, don't get shitty fan-translations either.
>"shortest list ff7"
>retard says this when FF6 (FF3 for the best country in the world aka MURICA) exist
L M A O
>Don't play 3. (although I heard DS remake is better)
Fuck no. The DS remake gives every boss 2 attacks per turn which absolutely breaks the balance of the game.
2 is way better than 5, Plebeian.
Based. Don't understand the hate this game gets, it's kino
No idea. Hating on 2 has been a meme since forever, just like hating on Zelda 2 is. Probably two thirds of people complaining have never even played the game. The music alone is worth a playthrough. Also it's the game with the most dead party members in the series, I believe.
it was notorious for being very buggy on FC. lots of mechanics didnt work as intended or didnt work at all. later versions fixed all the bugs but the game sux meme stayed.
>that dev who nerfed the Ultima spell to the ground and got fired for it
that's actually hilarious, reminds me of that one "fantasy and sci fi can't mix" autist that's been around here lately
Famicom 2 is straight up bad. The GBA remake owns though and is the optimal way to play it.
Famicom 1 is worse and incredibly buggy, but everyone gives it a pass just because.
3 is dogshit even on the ds. 15 is okay. It’s time to forgive.
You are ass backwards son
11 is/was the best game in the entire franchise. Not that a philistine with such horrid taste would know anything about that.
MMO players should be stuffed into boxcars in Meincraft. Shit genre. Shit fanbase. Just end it.
It's so clear you haven't a clue what you're talking about. XI was not like any MMORPG you've ever played before. You can't even imagine what it was like.
You've also never experienced the story up to the end of Chains of Promathia, so you never got to experience such a biblical, mind-blowing twist.
I know what you're talking about, and I'm jealous that you got to experience all that, but most people didn't have the time to put into a game like that. Even for a kid with nothing to do it asks too much out of you.
I finally played 13 for the first time and I wasn't too disappointed by it. I think it plays to its strengths of being linear well with how the combat is designed.
Ironically the only thing that falls apart, at least imo, is when actual side quests open up because to me this is not a battle system designed with grinding battles over and over. I ended up abandoning side content but the main game scenario is decent at least.
I also really like Sazh and Hope
Final Fantasy is my favorite JRPG series
Get better taste.
>Get better taste.
>posts bejita quest
its actually gohan quest.
I like both equally. No actually I prefer DQ because it knows what it wants to be unlike FF which lost its identity after 5.
>which lost its identity after 5.
Actually, FF9 was the last "classic" FF game.
Actually, FFX is the last "classic" FF game.
Fuck that, X started FF's downhill roll imo. NES, SNES, and PS1 FFs all had world maps where you can get vehicles to traverse them. Starting with X, you get more hallways, no overworld, no meaningful vehicle travel. Comat system and sphere grid was cool though
> Starting with X, you get more hallways, no overworld, no meaningful vehicle travel
It fits the story though, it's a pilgrimage. But I get your point.
12 literally goes right back to the formula yet for decades we’ve had to listen Xbabbies bitch and whine about 12. Because apparently a wannabe anime story game is superior to hollywood tier disney kino. I do agree though that the sphere system was good and ffx does have 12 beat in that regard
The airship is a teleport lol
Same with X
FF0 shows how cringey an avatar running acroos the overworld is with modern graphics. Honestly FF8 did the 3D overworld the best
>FF8 did the 3D overworld the best
Completely agree. Plus I thought Ragnarok looked badass
Those are some fantastic colors.
Same.
But that's Anna from Fire Emblem. Not Final Fantasy.
I play a fire emblem game for the first time a few months back and man I can’t believe what I was missing. It’s like tactics but better.
FF2 is fine, it's worth playing. FF3 is the most skippable one because it gets completely mogged by 5.
I recently have been replaying through the series. I'm up to 4. Having replayed 2, I appreciate that it's the last actual dungeon crawler in the series. I liked it much more than I remembered.
I agree but who the fuck enjoys the pixel remakes. This looks like complete ass to me. Play the ps1 versions, or psp. Christ.
At least it's easy to mod.
Something about FF1's world map was particularly soulful. That moment where you break out with the TNT and can sail anywhere is soulful.
i wonder if theres any mod that added the extra content from the GBA
It’s a million times more convenient to play it on mobile. I agree with you as a whole, but the ff1 PR is pretty optimized for mobile controls, so it feels fluid
There's actually a surprising amount of gameplay tweaks in the pixel remasters. iirc FF3 in particular got a lot of changed from the original nes version.
>ps1 versions
why? the only thing they added is more loading times
ps1 has crucial bugfixes to the nes version while retaining classic features like vancian magic. the load time on battle transition is a downside but it's still the best version to play out of all the other versions which all have their varying problems and benefits.
Agreed. I always recommend PSX versions.
Naah, the pixel remasters are convenient and look good enough.
It's my favorite vidya series.
Don't play the pixel remaster of 6. Use an SNES emulator and get the Ted Woolsey uncensored version. It was the original script before jap business men and us localizers tainted it. Also comes with all of the good changes that modern versions fix that weren't in the SNES version. It's the best looking, most true to the original vision, and most polished with modern fixes version of the game.
https://www.romhacking.net/hacks/1386/
>I fucking love final fantasy
So are you buying this?
yeah got the asian english version preordered on PlayAsia. i'd have gotten the US one but I wasn't online at 3AM when they announced it and it sold out five minutes later.
Maybe the switch version.
Have you seen the anniversary edition?
I wish I could by the vinyls separately because I really don’t care about the art book or the plastic models
I have hopes that they'll change up the font for the console releases since they deleted screenshots showing any text. Even though that was most likely damage control
I genuinely don't understand the autism about the font. It's not the best font I've ever seen but the way people talk about it you'd think it's jumping off the screen and stabbing people's eyes out.
it's kinda jarring how smooth it is when everything else is trying to look pixely
I've heard people with autism and ADHD struggle to read certain fonts, so do with that what you will.
I have autism and ADHD and it doesn't bother me at all.
It’s definitely boring, but I do agree that a lot of people are way overreacting. Especially when there’s mods to fix it
Same, except I would like the artbook. I could do without the games or the plastic figures.
No it looks ugly
These would be good for me if:
>FF1 looked a bit more like the PS1-onwards remakes, not too fond of the old-school ascended job sprites
>The got rid of the UGLY ASS FUCK FONT, why is this a thing? This didn't happen with SaGA (At least not on such a level AFAIK), but it's honestly my biggest gripe, I modded it on PC but I want to play it on switch to be honest
>The colors? Why did they change them? Now it looks too fucking bright and kills the atmosphere, specially for FFVI
>They had bonus content all versions have gotten troughout the years
It's for the reddit-crowd, prease understand.
The missing bonus content really sucks. Especially losing out on Soul of Rebirth.
When the fuck is the release date on this?
Website Says May 31st (Tentative)
Q2 2023
Which final fantasy is this ? I'd like to check it out myself
It's FInal Fantasy
As in, the very first one ever?
Correct. That version specifically is the one on Steam and mobile.
Thanks anons.
It fixes problems the original had but removes some things too.
>Original had Vancian-esque Casting as in no MP but times you can cast a spell before needing to rest but no way to recover charges save sleeping at an Inn or using Tents/Cabins, forcing you to play more conservatively with spells, PR adds items to restore spell charges in dungeons.
>Original had the Peninsula of Power glitch (Enemy Cluster of a higher level is in a lower level area on the map which is good for grinding levels at) which has been removed in PR
>Original had spells that do not work, that has been fixed in PR.
If you want a definitive version of FF1 but without the extra dungeons like in the PS/GBA/PSP versions, this is your go to.
The points by level system has grown on me. It forces me to be more strategic about magic use.
FF1 pixel remaster. It’s on steam and android/IOS
I replayed 1-6 via PR recently
1 is always a fun game, not much to complain about
>2 starts out really fun if you actually get into the leveling system. The game has a lot of good ideas that are just poorly applied and not intuitive, like various status effects targeting different resistances (Silence and Fog are the same, but target Body and Mind resistance, respectively). It's extremely tedious by the end
3 is actually very fun, especially if you play it without min/max optimization autism. I like how little direction you get a times.
>4 is 4. It's a great game with a terrific Act 1. I don't think there's a ton of variety and combat is very straight forward at the end, but I don't have any real big complaints.
5 is wonderful and I always liked it. Even better than I remember even if PR isn't perfect. Again, don't min/max autism like 3 and the game remains a great challenge and lots of fun right up to the end. I like limiting each Job to a single character.
>6 is my favorite game, a lot of it is nostalgia. I can't think of anything to say about it. Fun systems if you, once again, limit yourself. Also very fun if you want to just break the game and steamroll the finale. Lots of options and the large cast is the best part.
>not the NES version
The NES version is clunky as shit, buggy as shit, the script is garbage, and the spell charge system was rightfully replaced with MP.
It needs these QoL changes to actually be worth a damn today.
you're the reason why final fantasy is a braindead story game now
Make sure you play 5, 5 is fucking amazing and in many ways the high water mark for the series.
The best scene lands better if you've played 4 but it's fine by itself too.
>The best scene lands better if you've played 4 but it's fine by itself too.
What do you mean?
Galuf's death being the inverse of Tellah's
Too annoying to explain, I did a write up here though:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/113966q/the_climatic_moment_in_final_fantasy_5_hits/?
I beat Pixel Remaster of FF1 last weekend. Had a great time and the map and chest tracker made it a smooth experience.
>I fucking love eating shit. So glad I didn't listen to the contrarianism surrounding it.
>>but... but it's shit
>I'm having a blast
That's nice anon
What did you play this week?
>Playing videogames
shiggy diggy
>God-tier
6 and 9
>Great tier
7 (NOT remake), 8, 10, 14, Tactics (look up a hack called "The Lion War" which is the definitive experience)
>Good tier
1, 4, 5, 10-2, 13 & sequels
>Meh tier
The rest
The remake was fine. If they had been more honest about how they were going to change the story, then it wouldn’t have been received so poorly
yeah I love spending 40 hours in the slums and shimmying through rubble and backtracking through the same maps and having equipment upgrade tiers that were so infrequent that they shouldn't have even been in the game
I thought I was the only one that thought FF7R has a dogshit upgrade system. I do like materia, though.
did you love the side quests too? mister my three (3) kittens are missing can you find them?!
I dropped the game after the motorcycle chase and getting the Jessie's kiss trophie. I don't know if it was the backflip on the motorcycle by the literally who OC at the end of it, or if I just realized I wasn't having fun anymore, but I haven't booted the game since. I was already confused by Sephiroth showing up in the first 20 minutes, and fuck me the sidequests are awful. I thought I just got distracted, but maybe I didn't like it in hindsight.
It's probably for the best that you stopped. Zack's alive now.
Zack is cute!
Why would they completely invalidate such a good ending? What the fuck is Nomura smoking?
>What the fuck is Nomura smoking?
Nomura is smoking the "FF7 is our moneycow and we'll ride this bitch into the ground"
It doesn't have to make sense, it just has to say Final Fantasy VII on it.
>Nomura
>He is blissfully unaware
Nojima/Kitase are also responsible for what's going on in 7R.
Not really since the plot literally would make zero sense.
>since the plot literally would make zero sense.
>he thinks that matters
As opposed to now?
I will say that the side bit about visiting Jesse's home was some of the new content I actually liked story-wise, but the rest of the game just felt like pure wank
not to mention they turned the Honeybee Inn from this seedy whorehouse with the weird mindfuck stuff into a fucking PG-13 burlesque show cutscene
>Seedy whorehouse
It was a place to have fun you stupid revisionist retard, it has a laidback atmosphere
You sound like the retard that said "saddler in re4 original was so mysterious you didn't know if he was evil or not"
>It was a place to have fun you stupid revisionist retard, it has a laidback atmosphere
the place with the sex dungeon? interesting take
What sex dungeon? That was corneo mansion
yeah haha everyone in those locked rooms was probably just playing with train sets
ignore remakefags
hide remakefag threads
do not respond to remakefag posters
Funny that's the only sidequest you can mention
Fucking thank you. Though 11 is great. 13-2 is one of the best games in the series. Especially since it was painfully obvious to anyone who actually played it that it was Chrono Trigger 3 at one point.
Forever my evidence outside of the gameplay flow feeling very close to Chrono Trigger. Even the combat system took some queues from it.
How are the PC ports for 13 and 13-2? Been thinking of giving them another go after so long
13-2 is sort of unoptimized, but the dips aren't too painful. I played through the entire game of 13-2 on a 3 year old V17 Nitro and it was still comfortable. 13 is a 64 gb mess that has some mods, but it doesn't crash? It doesn't dip too much on a 2060 xc, but it's still noticeable.
I don't know what the other anon is on about, FFXIII-2 was unplayable for me. The giant pudding fight ran in slow motion.
wasn't Chrono Trigger supposed to be a Final Fantasy at some point in development too?
I'm curious about this too. Or was that Chrono Cross?
Yes, Chrono Trigger and Xenogears were both originally planned as Final Fantasy before turning into their own thing.
Same with Secret of Mana.
if you talk to Cloud when he's in his wheelchair in Mideel, he says "Zenogias!" which is a reference to Xenogears, which hadn't been released yet
Was full voiced Aria de Mezzo Carattere based or cringe?
I love FF1 too but i hate how the font is way too small for that huge ass textbox
FF1 is one of the few good games in the franchise, along with 7 and 13.
I have to say the 3D remakes of III and IV looks pretty good. Feels like a PS1 rpg. Soulful remakes.
4 3d is legitimately challenging too
Congratulations, you want a medal or something?
Yes I do actually
Sorry, we couldn't afford one. Have this instead.
ATB feels fucking awful to play with so far
I don't know if it's an issue with the Pixel Remaster, but in 5 I can't keep track of fucking anything seeing as you are pushed to rush through menuing and ATB speeds seem all over the place between fights so I can't just intuit the turn order. Deciding whether to heal or not is a pain in the dick as well because I can't parse any health/MP information at a glance because its just a giant block of numbers on a background that is brighter than them for some ungodly reason. The only way I can even tell whose turn it's supposed to be is looking at whose name is highlighted so through a single turn I need to scan my eyes across the entire bottom half of the screen as well at the enemy half of the top or my parties half if I'm healing at least 4 times and the eye strain just compounds over and over seeing as I seem to stumble into a random encounter every 3 god damn steps. The entire UI looks like it's straight out of someone's first RPGM game and needing to scan it over and over at light speed or the enemy will get in free turns is nauseating.
Also the enemy designs suck fucking shit compared to DQ, no internal consistency at all and clash violently with the tiny character sprites that are made with like 3 individual pixels, I am vomit.
are you playing at max speed or something? just slow it down if you can't move that fast, it's in the settings
battle speed setting determines how fast your enemies attack. you can also turn it to 'wait' so that the counters stop moving while you're picking a spell or something
Just don't ever play 2 and yeah, the entire series is gold.
3 > 5
I played 3 without a single guide, really fun time, I tried playing 5 and got stuck every hour because no one told me I was obligated to use magic or some shit.
people annually play through 5 with meme parties, actual skill issue
People can beat the entire game turn into frogs, that's not an argument.
neither is "i got stuck"
If a casual player get stuck that's a game design problem.
i can not believe THE gabe newell himself replied to me
No it isn't. Blame the player not the game should be a mantra. PEBCAK is my life mantra.
FIX THE PIXEL REMASTER FONT YOU moron THERE ARE A TON OF FONT PACKS IT'S A DRAG AND DROP REPLACE JUST GOOGLE ONE AND GET IT N I G G E R THAT SHIT IS HIDEOUS
I'm glad you're enjoying it though. Final Fantasy I isn't so much the subject of "contrarianism", merely being the most simple of the games and very very janky on Famicom. It's still quite fun and has some clever design, namely in how you can do the four main dungeons entirely out of order with the "intended" route.
Enjoy it, avoid the fanbase, though. Don't take the games too seriously either. As a kid they're some of the coolest shit you'll ever experience, but their age shows greatly now. The games that really stand out are 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13-2
They all have flaws, but you'll have a hard time finding other jrpgs quite like what I listed. Not arguing over which game I listed is "shit." The only legitimately and objectively bad FF games I can think of are Explorers and World of FF. Everything else is subjectivity.
>woff
>bad
>13-2
>good
kys
I'm right anon.
>World of FF.
>objectively bad
Huh?
Ok ok you guys got me. I bought it on release and felt like I got overcharged and haven't let it go since. It's not that bad; never did finish it, though.
That's okay bro, it's a fanservice game so it's not to everyone's taste. Thanks for being honest.
*smooches your forehead in a not-gay manner*
Is FF1-3 playable on NES?
I'm only asking bc I'm using my famicom to play thru DQ1 and I've played FF4-6 so might as well look into 1-3
>Final Fantasy thread
>retards jumping at each others throats
>not just over which game is the best
>but over other anons' rankings of which games are good or bad
There's not a better fanbase on this earth. I love you all, you pack of autists.
it doesn't matter what game is best what matters is that Faris best girl
Pixel remaster is the definitive edition for 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6, don't care
>don't care
coulda fooled me
>The versions without the 15+ year old bonus content, no original OST or mod for said OST, gameplay tweaks, and an outdated localization are the definitive editions
Maybe for 1-3, 4-6 though? Get fucking real
>1-3
Not even
Ds is the definitive way to play 3 and I'm tired of pretending it isn't
>locked the onion knight class to a superfluous sidequest that requires online communication
Good
why
Cut screen
I think Americans just don't understand the concept of a "love hotel" so they can't really make sense of Honeybee Inn without thinking of it as a brothel
The most amusing bit of dialogue from Honey Bee Inn is this right here
>Old Woman
>What's wrong, Grandpa? You keep sighing.
>Old Man
>...wheez... puff... You know, Grandma...
>Old Woman
>You talking about this room?
>Old Man
>...whew... I know our son rented this for us and all, but...
>It's too nice for us. Big round bed, gorgeous tub, I just can't get comfortable.
>Old Woman
>Don't worry about it. It's a high class neighborhood, in the Big City.
>You keep complainin' and we'll get in trouble.
In case you didn't catch that because of the dodgy translation, life in the slums is so shitty that a love motel in the ghetto is considered extravagant to the 2 old people there. But what's even more amusing is that Shinra executives routinely take a train from the top of the Plate to slum it up in Honey Bee Inn. The old couple talks about how their son got a promotion to Department head (Reeve? I'll have to check that). But right next door there are Shinra executives playing out a satanic ritual because I guess that's the only way he can get off now.
So the Honey Bee Inn is simultaneously this seedy hotel in the slums that also is frequented by high paying patrons.
But they have the honeybee girls that people can hire to take into one of the rooms.
I've never played FF9
Should I get the switch ver ?
FF9 only redeeming quality is muh nostalgia, don't bother unless you are on a mission to finish every single FF.
Yeah so if i want to play it anyway, is the remaster version good ?
The series peaks at VI. Enjoy the ride. Fantastic games.
Pixel Remaster's font gives me cancer
final fantasy is the most overrated video game franchise of all time
That would be Zelda, its peak goyslop, FF is a close second for how hard SE keep trying to nostaliga wank it
god I fucking love video games
nuff said
>Final Fantasy
>games keep coming out named that, just with added numbers
So, when is actual FINAL fantasy coming out?
In June because yoshitpiss is going to kill SE with FF16
When are they gonna drop the Penultimate Fantasy?
At least they didn't settle on their first name idea "Fighting Fantasy"
Besides Final Fantasy, what's some rpg kino worth playing? I already finished Chrono Trigger. I don't care if its 2D or 3D.
Earthbound, and Mario RPG are good. I enjoyed Secret of Mana too.
FF4,5 and 6 is probably the best trilogy of RPG's I ever played
Rudra no hihou on SNES. It was one of the last games made for the SNES and has fan translations that made the magic system work in English. Godlike music as well.
What ever happened with Strangers of Paradise? Was it a good game? Was it a good FF1 remake?
It's incredible and one of the best games in years.
>Was it a good FF1 remake?
Not quite.
It was my GOTY 2022.
Still playing it ~220 hours. Very good game.
>What ever happened with Strangers of Paradise?
Released on Uncle Timmy's Black Hole Store Was it a good game?
yes but had a bad performance on release, but some later patches fixed it a bit
Was it a good FF1 remake?
i don't consider it a remake whatsoever, it's more like a re imagination of a prequel to FF1 with META flavor thrown at it, that said it was still a fun run given i only played through the vanilla base game, i keep hearing good things about the DLCs.
Let's hope it gets released on steam soon
It's a prequel
Just seeing the end with Jack Garland sitting on His throne GOING all about darkness and shit AND see the Warriors of light pretty much justifies the entre game
FF1 is very good, I played it in 2012 I think, I wish they released another one just like it but with a couple more QoL features, the level of freedom and discovery is great but I'd rather have enemies on the field for such a game, Romancing SaGa comes a bit close but a lot of mechanics and "features" are a bit too obscure to find on your own and it has no "world map"
I'm sad there aren't more JRPGs that play like FF1. Yeah the SaGa games are similar like you said.
I actually kind of enjoyed FF15 because I played it a bit like FF1 and ignored the story and just wandered around camping.
There's the DS SaGa remakes if the later SaGa are too much for you, they also have a world map but they're pretty linear, it's the closest you're ever gonna get to FF1 considering they're made by the same designer.
Otherwise you can play Metal Max or some DQ like DQ3, neither are as complex as a SaGa game and they still retain the same level of freedom of progression.
Based blast haver.
I'm playing Dragon Quest IV right now.
Just don't fall for the XIV meme. The people that would suggest it and call it the best FF are legitimately mentally ill and shouldn't be taken seriously.
XIV is not even a RPG, same as XVI. Yoship just doesn't like stuff with depth, there's zero customization in the games he makes, it's just garbage for casuals.
did you mean to post XV and not XIV or XVI because XV was made for super casuals
http://www.novacrystallis.com/2014/09/with-final-fantasy-xv-i-do-want-to-make-it-more-casual-says-tabata/
All games are made for casuals. I could post the same thing with God of War4
Do it with Devil May Cry 3 instead. God of War has always been a casual baby series.
As an experience FFXIV is great, I had a great time with the story and I met a lot of cool people there. I'd recommend going through the story and doing all the side content to anyone.
But as a game it's real fucking lame. The combat system sucks, the overwhelming majority of enemy encounters boil down to using your 1-2-3 combo and avoiding easy to avoid ground telegraphs, the overworld is useless and 99% of the sidequests are a waste of your time.
99% of the side quests are a waste of time because there's no customization in the game, your only progression is ilvl and making a ilvl progression of 300 ilvl to 302 ilvl is just fucking boring. In other rpgs you get progress like going from a sword to a divine sword that does more damage to zombies or a fire sword that gives a burn dot, but in this game it's just flat numbers going up, it's just so dull.
There's also zero choice in how to progress your character or how you'd like to tackle the problems in the game, so there's basically no problem solving in the game, it's like an arcade game, the only thing that matters is reaction times.
The game is also extremely antisocial, there's zero incentives for you to make friends and depend on other people, people are easily replaceable for anything you'd want in the game besides maybe ultimate/savage raids.
14fags are funny especially that copypasta about playing the immersive ff14 mmo or however it went
There was a time nearly eight years ago the game had a comfy community of RPGfags and weebs. Now the average XIV player hasn't even played a single RPG. It's facebook tier normies, WoWfags and the "mentally ill" obsessed with drama. Fuck. I remember back when Void Ark was first released and the boys were in chat yelling about Skies of Acradia. Do not play XIV, though I guess there is no point even trying to warn Ganker, this place has massively degraded as well.
FF3 (non-DS) is so fucking good.
FF1 is a blast
your font, however, looks like shit
All 6 of the Pixel Remasters are worth playing.
7 is worth playing.
10 is worth playing.
10-2 is worth playing for seeing the absolute peak of the battle / job system in the series.
Tactics is worth playing
Dimensions is worth playing.
None of the other mainline or tactics series are worth playing. 7Remake is worth playing depending on how much enjoyed 7.
Do not bother with 8, 9, 12, the 13 trilogy, 15, 12-RW, TA1 or TA2.
Is their a version of FF2 that isn’t a glitched out mess? The PSP version was buggy as fuck. 2 is literally the only one I have yet to beat.
Play the gba version. It's the best.
Nothing worse than showing up 200 posts late in a ff thread. *sigh* I’ll have to spend less time on 4chan…
i try ff6 but didn't grab me
1, 2, 4, are better. 6 is overrated IMO. Still better than 7, though.
1 isn’t even better than pokemon red. Yes it was the shit when it came out but it aged poorly. 6 is better than all three of the games you mentioned and you just hate 6 because it was crowned as the best for a long time until you contrarian zoomers became old enough to go on the internet
Games don't age, retard. They are the same they were back them. FF I GBA is a masterpiece. Just admit FF 6 was your first FF game like it was the case with most FF 6 babies.
2-6 are all worthless garbage and you should have a nice day for defending any of them
>FF I GBA
Literally the worst possible version
>Literally the worst possible version
When the original famicom version doesn't even works. Thief class is useless.
NES version has the original gameplay mechanics and the inherent value of being the original, which puts it ahead of both the GBA and PSP versions. The PS1 version is easily the best though.
>The PS1 version is easily the best though.
I sure love those 15 seconds loading times for the menus!
You cannot possibly believe 4,5 and 6 are garbage. They practically began the hype train that eventually became the hype spaceship when 7 came out
>You cannot possibly believe 4,5 and 6 are garbage
Yes I can, because they are, genuinely some of the most tedious JRPGs I've ever played.
why the fuck are they using that soulless font?
it's for the reddit-crowd
cos it looks okay with japanese text
How do you deal with the shit font and scrolling stutter? I bought the whole pack when it came out cause I'm a consumer whore but damn to the pixel remasters run and look like shit
it's an easy fix by going into the game's directory and editting a text path in one of the game's files. look up a tutorial i guess.
Why is 12 so polarizing? I've heard good things about it, but a lot of anons ITT don't suggest playing it.
>FFX is very character driven and emotional, heavily focused on the party and what they go through
>FFXII comes out and it takes the focus off of the party and requires you to follow chains of political events in the background to get the whole story
Thanks for the replies. Seems like 12 might be interesting. I'm still on 3 so will be some time until then.
Yet the Ivalice political background has been used for multiple FF games and is practically only challenged by FF7s universe. Whereas FFX couldn’t even get X3 green lit
autoattack combat and the gambit system making the game play itself really bores some people, as much as I like everything else about 12
You should play 12 if you like Ivalice. That's the strongest thing about that game is how amazing they bring the world from Tactics to life.
If you've never played Tactics....
I mean, it's like Star Wars kinda, it's political, mediterranean-y, what you see is what you get, and the story doesn't go anywhere
12 is too easy, but playing the zodiac version with the Struggle for Freedom difficulty mod was the best experience I've ever had with a FF in my life, the game is SO FUCKING FUN with a difficulty mod, like holy shit. Every hunt and even some story bosses just pushed my shit so much, I had to change strategies all the time and even spam items at times, always try to come prepared. Really good way to experience the game. I feel sad that people will play the easy version and think the game is shit.
12 has some pretty good sidequests.
12 was the first FF game to revisit the world of a previous FF game. Also, to this day, I still maintain the firm belief that FF12 wasn't originally meant to be a mainline FF game. It smacks of a FF Tactics sidestory or gaiden. Mainline FF games never had that political focus like FF Tactics had... and here we are in a mainline FF game, in the FF Tactics worlds of Ivalice with a politically focused story
I did quite like the political aspects of FF Tactics and Tactics Ogre. Maybe people just want more party focus as the other anon said from the mainline games.
Worst combat presentation out of any mainline FF (I am ignoring MMOs because lol, mmos).
Worst art-style out of all mainline FFs.
Worst zones and zone design. (Yes, worse than XIII).
Story is not very interesting since the characters are not very interesting.
That's my perspective at least.
My biggest grip with XII is Vaan, the worst MC ever. I would have rather Reks lbe the MC
Also, I really don't know what people see in the
>politics
It's not particularly good in this regard...Is the mere presence of politics enough for some people? I suppose...But really VII has better politics and so too does VIII.
The political intrigue in Matsuno games always gets shoved aside when it gets revealed that demons were behind all of it. It's probably because Square-enix execs didn't believe a game about politics would be well-received so they force him to change it.
The politics in FFXII don't get shoved aside when Venat is revealed. They're still the entire point.
That's all well and good but he doesn't really write politics in an interesting way. Aim for a nation etc. etc. Just moralism all the way down. A good political story will explore things more...passionately. Ex. You can simplify Napoleon and make his story very full by saying it was all just glory. But if you show what glory is....! Matsuno doesn't know and so he can't write it.
make his story very
>dull
not full
The demons in Matsuno games are invariably representative of some real world evil though. For instance, Gerun is Kissinger/Brezinski.
Balthier didn’t hook you in?
No. The game needs stronger art or stronger storyboarding or ideally both.
How can you hate XII's art style? It's gorgeous. It's the most beautiful game on the PS2.
I've always enjoyed the first Final Fantasy.
One day my kids will play it on my old PSP, Gameboy Advanced, or PC.
Any other anons know that feel?
I will likely not have children anon.
>likely
If you want them, I'm sure you can think of a way to find a woman to have them.
I agree, but I simply don't have a woman I am interested in having children with at the moment. Also, I work in a slightly-dangerous field and will likely die earlier than is normal.
>I work in a slightly-dangerous field and will likely die earlier than is normal.
hmm. Well people in the past were dying at like age 40.
I wouldn't let the fact you might die earlier deter you. Especially since your kids would love you regardless of your work anyways.
>but I simply don't have a woman I am interested in having children with at the moment
same lol
I pray thee well anon. Best wishes. Never lose hope that you can in fact have it if you want it.
If we had gotten Versus XIII what do you think it would’ve been like? I imagine kingdom hearts but darker
>I fucking love final fantasy.
Good, I'm glad you enjoy it. I hope later versions were faster than the NES game. I tried replaying it a little while ago, and fuck the original runs slow. It is fun to run through this game with different team setups. Something like Monks and White Mages for a quick game, stocking up on Fighters and Red/Black Mages for something more expensive.
I hear there are a few spinoffs that capture the four-dudes-with-classes feel of the original. The Four Heroes of Light is one. Bravely Default uses the same classes. Both are from Square, as well.
Final Fantasy 2 is quite a bit different. The series doesn't stick with that style, if you don't like it. If you do, then FF2 basically spreads out into the Final Fantasy Legend games, then the Romancing SaGa titles, then the rest of SaGa.
why would you play the NES versions in 2023?
I agree with you that these classic JRPG's are all molasses, the only reason I can stomach them is using an emulator with a 2x speed button.
If you're okay with using an emulator, try that
Bizarre lack of the game with the most potential in this thread.
Imagine if they never debunked THAT theory. The game would’ve been saved.
R=U has been rebunked according to experts
>read the interview saying the theory is debunked
>damn that's too bad but oh well time to move on
>Dissidia, a series known for its very deliberate and detailed references, throws this into the mix
That's actually from Mobius, but the original Dissidia and 012 use Rinoa's weapons as Ultimecia's uniques.
>we now have 2 games that reference it
you're not making this any better for me!
Can I get a QRD ?
no.
R != U
But I don't see why Ultimecia can't be Rinoa's descendant.
Descendant??!!?
Yeah. It would explain all the references neatly and make a lot more sense to me than R=U
It's the best Final Fantasy by far, but you chose the tarnished art to post. What a foolish error anon!
As for the theory...It doesn't matter. The theory misses the point of the story anyway, as most do.
>The theory misses the point of the story anyway, as most do.
What makes you say this, friend?
Memory is the key...and what you've forgotten. If someone never remembers, then the story didn't "work". It was a story told too early. Many, many such cases.
Thank you anon, I hope the same for you. Anyway, if I fall without, then others who are like me will succeed anyhow.
Dude Seifer killing Oden was metal as fuck.
I was so young and so used to the other FF games when I played this that I got to the fourth disk without ever upgrading anyones weapon except for Squalls a single time
Imagine if this had been made into a mainline FF Game. We would be given the same respect like the boys who play DMC.
No need to imagine, it's happening right now with FF16.
i kinda miss the weird parasite eve style ORB combat
>put some respeck on mah name
>Play the romhacked NES version
>no play the modded GBA version
>no play the PS1 version
>No play the Pixel remaster
Can someone make up a definitive list of the best ways of play FF1-6?
FF I and 2 in regular GBA
FF IV, V, VI in SNES
3 sucks.
1,2 GBA
4 PSP
3,5 Pixel Remaster
6 SNES
>1
PSP
>2
PSP
>3
PR
>4
PSP
>5
GBA with sound patch
>6
GBA with sound patch or the SNES Woolsey uncensored translation
>PSP "sprites"
PSPfags seriously defend this.
>coomer argument
here's your counter-argument. get laid, btw
with your example it's PR>SNES>>>>>PSP>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3d get better eyes and stop huffing gasoline.
Dude there was this comic of rinoa and the white mage girl fucking cecil and I would bust loads. Only one that rivaled it was PromPhoto and the ffx one where rikku is looking for yuna but gets fucked auron. I don’t remember the name. I’m sorry lord for leading my brothers to sin.
ALL 3D FINAL FANTASY GAMES SUCK
black mage girls
Super Mario RPG > FF 6.
u wanna play with ur mario games?
i had a big raims is a big taims
cause Mario might be super
but I'm super duper
with a big tuper
Just admit 6 broke you back then
>Face a boss in this game
>FF4 boss music suddenly plays
Genuinely caught me off-guard
>I am matter... I am antimatter... I can see your past... I can see your future... I consume time... And I will consume you!
>plot of FF8 is so bad people have to pretend fanfiction is canon
>Price of power is memory
>Witch is trying to cause mass memory-loss (time compression)
>Do you have the will to take the power, pay the price, and then claw it all back? Even if the memory is untrue? Even if you create a new fiction?
etc. etc.
What does a lion do? Why is the fight with this...
How is Time Kompression "memory loss"?
Compress time into an instant. There are no other memories. Time is experienced as memory. People with dementia, memory loss "lose time".
Compressed, 1 memory.
Is the orphanage "real?"
All of this is because the question of memory is so important.
The true point is more...
What did people forget? What did YOU forget? Etc. Can a game make you remember? Or in other terms, is there a spark still there and can it grow back into a flame.
The romance is tied to this as well...because first romance is "remembering" how to be that, especially for a man.
It's an extension on VII's story. Cloud had to create himself through willpower. The romance, Tifa, helped him when he was almost lost.
In VIII the construction is more dire...it's not Squall, but the world itself.
"It already happened. Now we're writing the future."
They will never write something like VII or VIII again probably. The stories were told through the game, not dialogue, and they lack the ability to do this now.
>The stories were told through the game, not dialogue
lmao, imagine seriously believing this shit
??? i think you expected this to sound smart but really doesnt. Dialogue was always essential for FF7
No. You could strip all the dialogue and the main story would still be told. The fine points could be many different ways. This is why the translation does not matter. It's like a myth. You can tell it a dozen different ways. The core will carry each way through.
This is what
>storyboarding
Is supposed to do. Not many good artists in this field anymore, in all fields. They "forgot".
Funny because even retards who spend all day here talking about FF7 misunderstand basic elements of its story, so saying you can "skip everything and you'll understand" is bullshit.
All of those
>retards
Understand the story. They are quibbling on autistic details because they are autistic. Hence why I said earlier R = U does not matter. It's just a fun theory for spergs to enjoy.
FF8’s story actually makes alot more sense if R=U is true though. You’re not getting that.
????????
Enjoying something and understanding it are 2 different things. I can see a chinese action movie and find it fun, but doesnt means i understand shit of what is going on
If you think FF7 is fun without any story, great. But the game doesnt tells its story only with gameplay.
>Enjoying something and understanding it are 2 different things. I can see a chinese action movie and find it fun, but doesnt means i understand shit of what is going on
And i wish ff7 was simple like a chinese action movie. It is the first game with an schizo protagonist and layers and layers of unreliable narrator.
I understand your position, and agree largely. My use of understanding is less of "able to explain" and more of a "got the message" type of understanding.
I think you do understand Chinese action movies generally.
Ex. Fellini films...and other similar films. You will "Get" them. But maybe you will struggle to explain it. Same with Lynch.
When Tifa is in the lifestream running...and calling for Cloud. And then finds herself there, with him splintered. It is the same sort of thing you could see in a film without dialogue. And you would "get it".
This is my major point I suppose. Newer FFs lack this quality.
Not really, lynch's whole thing is how the mistery is the story, but you cant project the same interpretation to every other work.
And i dont even think it is a matter of perspective, when you see a jrpg with as much dialogue as ff7, there is not a "i can see the tiny characters and it will be enough to understand it" because it is not true. You can enjoy the game, but you can never say things like
>Understand the story. They are quibbling on autistic details because they are autistic.
when we are talking about concrete plot elements that are writen.
Perhaps I was the true autist all along...
In all seriousness, it's fair to disagree with me.
Sure, at the end of the day i know this wont change how you see these games. But i just think you meant "i want a game where i can have fun even when skipping the story"
But saying "i got the plot even by skipping it" or "ff7 doesnt need any dialogue" is crazy
Oh no, I didn't mean that at all. What I meant to say is that the composition (events, scenes, visuals, audio) is so strong that it SENDS the essence of the work to the player even without dialogue or exposition.
I prefer the games to have exposition, and enjoy the exposition (as well as the dialogue.)
But I think that excellent composition is one element missing from newer FFs.
And of course, the text does "sharpen" the image. Taking it away from pure expression to something more concrete as you said.
I hope this helps make my position more clear.
I get what you're trying to say, but i feel like most FFs still have that, the difference is how you dont have to use that part of your brain because characters have voices now.
But lets use FF15 as example, even if you dont pay any attention to what those characters are saying, the whole roadtrip with your bros where you need to find a blonde haired girl that you like is easy to understant.
XV certainly has spectacle. But it's less able to pull the viewer in. The story-boarding transmits information, but it does not send the essence...and for this reason I still do not know what the essence of XV was.
But maybe you are right and I simply didn't understand.
The last game I thought had this strong composition was X.
If you or anyone else can help me see what I am missing about XV (or the XIII's), then I would be glad to hear it. I might just be wrong, it's true.
Like, you say there isnt this element in new games, i just pointed out that they are still there. But this wont mean you will like, or that i can even point out what you missed. You play following a different logic
No I agree with what you are saying. The fault is mine. I was unable to explain myself well enough. My apologies anon.
i would actually love for someone to be shown those games with no dialogue then be asked wtf happened
Someone should do this! I will stop now because I think I've explaine
Ah auto post...I think I've explained my perspective on 8 and 7 enough. But I know autists will not like it, that's okay.
Ironically, removing all text from 8 would make it easier to understand most likely.
>This is why the translation does not matter. It's like a myth. You can tell it a dozen different ways. The core will carry each way through.
And you end up like other anons here who larped 70% of the events of the game
>No. You could strip all the dialogue and the main story would still be told. The fine points could be many different ways.
lmao, yeah, like how the GF erasing memory is a thing that is totally told through anything but text boxes, fuck off kid
Put the weed down
I played through VIII remaster recently with the Lunatic Pandora mods and I enjoyed the side quests a lot
Go play ghostjannies
ghostjannies fits ff8 so well, they're definitely coming back for FF8R
im glad to hear you're enjoying the game anon. post ur jobs
same too bad they went to shit starting with 7
people should just mod FF8 to have a good story. It couldn't possibly be that hard. just change some lines of dialogue
There is a FFVIII story rewrite mod called "Succession"
...Is it good? Didn't know about it, cool
I haven't played it before, I just saw it when I was setting up mods to play remaster. From what I red people seemed to like it
Terrible.
FF13 also had severe localization changes where they've cut whole world rules that explain how one character is the way they are.
damn, never seen this before. so he's not as big of a prick in the japanese version
"Whatever"
>How's the NA translation going?
>whatever...
So basically he still has a catchphrase and while it isn't used in exactly the same spots, it's still there in places where it fits?
Sounds like the guy gave his sweat, blood and tears to salvage that mess. It's probably real good, but no one's gonna care because it's not an official Square rewrite
I commend him for trying, but why? Why bother doing what is effectively writing fanfiction?
Can 8trannies leave and take their hotdogs with them? This thread is starting to suck
>11snail mad no one cares about his game
just remake this and remove all the fetch 20 pig butts quests, then it might be good
>fetch 20 pig butts
damn you're bad at pretending you have any fucking idea what XI played like
Which final fantasy game had the worst story so far
8 or 10 ?
8 by far. It falls apart like a jenga tower after disc 2.
XV. Convenient how 8 and 10 haters forget about that game
Just from this low quality post you lool like the type of guy who says 12 is the best one
>Just from this low quality post you lool like the type of guy who says 12 is the best one
I've never played 12, the only games I've played so far have been Final Fantasy 1 through 10 because that's where the good era ends.
>Which final fantasy game had the worst story so far
>8 or 10 ?
15 just on the grounds of:
A CGI movie
5 pieces of Single Player DLC
1 piece of Multiplayer DLC
Anime OVAs
A true ending novel
is all needed to get the full story
FF is great, specially 7
Guy speak beaver.
you are now remembering how many weird spinoff Final Fantasy games are on the DS
Am I crazy for liking the postgame of ff4 gba/psp?
It feels incredibly refreshing playing a post game that isn't throw 10000 enemies at you with bigger stats
The post-game added in the gba remakes are one, if not the best addition in a remake in this series.
Too bad the post-game content of 5 is horrid
Long ass corridors where you face incredibly hard enemies every 5 seconds that are meat tanks and barely give you exp , it was aneurysm inducing
But at least the new pirate , gladiator and necromancer class was cool
soul of rebirth in 2 is great.
then they took it out for the PR
Is Zodiac Age a good way to play XII for the first time?
yes
Anyone ever seen distant worlds live? Is it a safespace for autists? Or is filled with e-thots and fake final fantasy fans?
I have. I have seen both the orchestral version and the smaller, chamber music version (Dear Friends maybe? It had a different name). The small chamber music version is better if you can go. When I went, it was mostly sweaty dudes such as myself, I saw it in Seattle and Phoenix, both sweaty dudes.
Man, now I looked it up and Distant Worlds is going to be in Phoenix tomorrow. Now I have to decide if I want to go all the way up there on a workday.
Tucsonbro?
I went in like 2013 or 2014 and it was one of the best nights of my life. Uematsu sat in my row and bowed when he had to move past me. No e-thots spotted but who knows nowadays.
what game is that?
I didn't get the plot of FF7 even after reading all the dialogue.
What was confusing?
Everything Sephiroth. His relationship with his mother. He being dead most of the game. Everything.
Sephirot is Nemesis (Not RE but actual Nemesis in Greek sense.)
I was a kid. I barely knew Greeks were people.
you were right
Nemesis is something you would be aware of as a kid however...that terror, that majesty. Or at least, in some form. Sephirot was that.
No, Sephiroth is Homelander, but a Homelander that is fighting in wars since he was 10 years old.
>No, Sephiroth is Homelander, but a Homelander that is fighting in wars since he was 10 years old.
Hmm
Is sephiroth the prototype of the "supersoldier created by megacorp to be a weapon and propaganda" concept?
No. There a movie
>Supersoldier
Or maybe ultra soldier
With Jean Claude Van Damme that is older. KINO movie.
That movie is great but aside being super soldiers, theit purpose is different from sephiroth in a way that sephiroth is unique and also used to be a simbol of shinra. Sephiroth is more like a mix of that concept with Jenova, who is The Thing. This is why he is so manipulative
True true. I am glad you know of that KINO!
You might be right that it's the first then. I guess Achilles is the closest example. Except Achilles with a very different ending (mind-fucked by a Titan.)
We can say that Sephiroth is the first aparition of a character like that being manufacturated by a company. Something that got really popular in recent years.
It is a great theme.
Even more when it is about money and how cientists dont have any ethic or limitations in modern environments.
Jenova successfully replicated through him I suppose...
This is the thing that is never explained 100%
Yeah I think it's fairly open-ended. Is it biological? Psychic? Does it work purely through illusions and manipulation until the subject is broken and left without a will? I'm not sure...
Not just that, his wish to "destroy the world" is even coming from himself or he is being compelled by her?
He's literally lifted straight from Dragon Quest 4.
What is the name of the character so i can check?
Psaro, or Pisaro in japanese.
Shinra dug up what they thought was an Ancient, named Jenova. But Jenova was actually a planet-eating alien.
Shinra then tried to revive the Ancients by injecting Sephiroth with Jenova's cells in the womb.
When Sephiroth got close to Jenova at Nibelheim she started fucking with his head and led him to Gast's research on Jenova and his own creation, which mindbroke him so she could convince him to come get her out of containment.
Cloud fought him and tossed him into the Lifestream where he got supercharged on the knowledge of all the dead people there and ended up at the North Crater in a huge chunk of materia. By the time the game started, he and Jenova had formed a symbiosis with him basically acting as her brain.
>1
Cool
>2, 3, 4, 5, 6
Never played
>7
Cool
>8
Cool
>9
Cool
>10
Al Based, yah
>11
Never played
>12
Cool
>13
Cool
>14
Never played
>15
Cool
Yeah FF is pretty cool.
Cloud is pretending to be Zack cause he's mentally ill
>>>but… but it’s basic
>
>I’m having a blast
What's your point, you retard?
The old FF games are popular for a reason.
It's with 13 that the series has gone to shit
I'm a tourist, what game is OP's pic?
Dragon Ball 1
FF about to gets steamrolled
wtf