I'm an average windows user but want to check out Linux OS as an alternative option. But I didn't know that there were so many OS to choose from. Can some anyone advise/explain what OS would be best for gaming since that's what I mainly do on my PC? Going to use virtual box to try it.
Need the most stable OS I dont want to spend 90% trying to find fixes to make my games work.
https://www.linux.org/pages/download/
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Most of my games are on Steam but I have multiple launchers as well with other games I have.
How secure is Linux? Is it dependant on the type of OS?
Old-ass Windows veteran w/ some Linux experience here.
The ultimate tl;dr about Linux is, that it barely matters which DISTRO you choose, since you can tweak and adjust them all to your liking. It's more about what kind of pre-packaged setup you want to start up with.
Linux are easily the most secure systems out there. This should be a common knowledge by now. No Windows viruses and shit work in Linux, and average teenage hacker kids totally lose their minds if they realize you're using Linux.
Thanks to Valve pushing the Proton / DXVK tech ("Steam Play") for a few years now, vidya runs better than ever before on Linux. You can even add non-Steam games and apps to the Steam library and use Proton to play a lot of them.
For everything else, there's the Lutris / Play On Linux apps.
You will need to do some bare minimum amount of tweaking to get games to work, but in Steam it usually boils down to choosing one or another version of DXVK.
If you're a Windows-guy, distros like Zorin OS or Mint provide a soft landing to Linux world. For a real imposter distro, there's the Q4OS.
If you're okay with something bit-less Windowsy but wanna prioritize gaming capabilities out of the box, Pop! OS is a literal brand created by a corp that also makes gaming PCs.
SteamOS3 is a full-blown desktop OS, based on Arch.
You can go to destktop mode any time you want.
>The ultimate tl;dr about Linux is, that it barely matters which DISTRO you choose, since you can tweak and adjust them all to your liking
There are a few caveats here
1. Most third party software is guaranteed to support Ubuntu and therefore other distros based on Debian (Pop OS, etc). If you want something that "Just works", then chose one of these
2. If you go with Arch or a related distro (Manjaro, SteamOS) then you get access to the Arch User Repository, which allows access to thousands of programs not in the official repos that you don't have to compile and install yourself.
Most of this is accurate, but some of it is bullshit, so here's a few more caveats.
>The ultimate tl;dr about Linux is, that it barely matters which DISTRO you choose.
This is true in the sense that you can completely change the default setup to match another distro if you want, but update schedule and package availability are distro dependent.
>but in Steam it usually boils down to choosing one or another version of DXVK
You can't choose another version of DXVK through steam. You probably meant changing proton versions, but even then, some games will require a few terminal commands or a third party proton install before they work.
> You can even add non-Steam games and apps to the Steam library and use Proton to play a lot of them.
This sometimes works but it is not recommended. A lot of games will break due to protons sandboxing. You're better off using bottles(for most games) or lutris(for the handful of games with very complex install steps).
Linux isn’t SECURE, it’s OBSCURE. Which means nobody bothers to make malware for it. It’s easier to make malware for Linux than for Windows, but because only about 2% of PC users run Linux most hackers simply don’t see it as worth the effort to make malware to attack a group of people who typically are far more computer-savvy than normal
>Linux isn’t SECURE
Terry gave us the greatest gift of all
and it was not TempleOS
Not really. Windows has a ton, and I mean a TON of obsolete weird features that can be exploited to hack it. Even recently there has been an exploit where you could execute code remotely if the victim just displayed an .rtf file, not opened it, just displayed it on the File Explorer.
State of the art Linux and Windows is generally considered secure... until a new big exploit drops and everyone has to patch. And usually that exploit targets some random bullshit Windows feature.
Ironically, it's Windows that gains security thanks to obscurity. Not Linux.
>Linux isn’t SECURE, it’s OBSCURE
OS marketshare by kernel
Linux - 45%
NT - 29%
Darwin - 23%
Linux based OSes are the most common, and along with other similar secure UNIX-like OSes run the most high value targets.
like 95% of servers running linux
computers aren't only used by consumers, anon.
And who wants to hack a server? The vast majority of hackers are either jeets trying to ransom granny’s 10 year old laptop for $50 in bitcoin, or scriptkiddies trying to brick someone’s computer because they lost a match in CoD.
are you trying to be that moronic or it just comes to you naturally
pic related looks beautiful
if you want to sample distros, your better off trying them out on bare metal. also, nvidia or amd?
My current pc is nvidia. does the GPU/CPU type matter for the Linux OS?
With nvidia you need to install proprietary drivers and some distros make that difficult. Your best options are trying out ubuntu/it's derivatives like linux mint or popos since they are made for people who want their pc to just work. manjaro/endeavor os are also decent since nvidia drivers are just a couple simple packages to install, however I can't say how sane their defaults are.
So its not as simple as downloading the auto driver updater from nvidia and running it?
>using the auto updater
No. Linux in general tends to have superior hardware support than Windows.
The minor gripe is the matter of drivers, and how especially Nvidia has kept theirs "locked", as in proprietary, up until very recently, providing a bit worse support on Linux than Windows. AMD's got upper hand in this for a while, but again, things are changing.
Nvidia cards will work, always have. You just might have to deal with a few versions older drivers. Pic very related.
>Nvidia has kept theirs "locked", as in proprietary, up until very recently
they still are, it's only the kernel modules thats open sourced
>Mint
I wish I managed to get the latest LTS version to work on my laptop, but the WiFi/Bluetooth and sound just fricking refused to work for some reason while everything else worked flawlessly.
Since I didn't have a Ethernet adapter (the Ethernet in my laptop is broken) it would have been a massive pain in the ass to try and get it working, so I just went with Ubuntu instead
Just share your phone's internet via USB for a short while.
>Does a Linux distro exist for phones?
Android is literally based on Linux.
There are however some special mobile distros that are even closer to the real deal.
>Just share your phone's internet via USB for a short while.
I didn't even think that would work on Mint (since it's one of the things that doesn't work on Ubuntu for me)
I might just try getting it working on a Live USB now, even though I would have to spend an entire day redownloading all of my steam games, I might just make the switch if it works in a live environment
Just one more question though, what is the easiest way of managing TDP/power consumption in Mint? All software that I found for it on Ubuntu is either outdated, requires the latest version or doesn't work at all and I would rather have it be done through a GUI than having to use commands every single time I want to make the change
Did you try using the EDGE version?
Do people actually fricking play this game. What is even going through your head when you're playing it.
>Do people actually fricking play this game
Yes.
>What is even going through your head when you're playing it
Route planning, stealth, peace, and, sometimes, extreme manslaughter.
what kind of homosexual would have windows logo on start bar in linux
>Windows logo on start bar
>Using Mint
dude. Why?
I'm not him, but it's funny.
Not him, but it just looks good, corporate logo or not. The 4 squares are iconic at this point. If/when I make the switch, I plan to use pic related for the start button.
>death Stranding running on a GNU/Linux distribution.
It was the biggest disappointment of the decade, Kojima broke my heart, he confirmed himself as a scammer who uses mass media with egotistical and narcissistic intent.
And I'm going to respect this.
steamos obviously for games
Is it viable for web browsing and other launchers like origin? Or just only steam?
Yeah, you can do anything with it. SteamOS is just Arch Linux with Steam preinstalled.
This seems the most attractive to try. Im torn between trying ZorinOS or SteamOS.
I dont need an OS but I eventually want to build my own custom PC and want to know what the best Linux OS is for starting one is the reason I'm asking about Linux
my two cents: steamOS is designed for a very specific set of hardware, being the steam deck, and isn't guaranteed to work reliably on a different system (for now at least, the official desktop release has been delayed indefinitely iirc)
not to mention that a immutable root partition makes normal installation of packages and upgrades troublesome on desktop (imagine a read only C:/ drive)
I would personally reccomend checking out either zorinOS, openSUSE tumbleweed or endeavourOS
>and other launchers like origin
If the other launchers have a linux install, then yes. Otherwise you're stuck doing some gank windows emulation in order to get it to work.
Just get xubuntu
>can easily be made to look like windows
>just works
>simple to install, comes with a good selection of basic software
Pop!_OS says its build for gaming but how does anyone know how secure these OS are? I know windows and intel are already pozzed but are all these OS opensource?
I dont want to set up one of these OS and find out my steam account has been hacked or what ever.
>how does anyone know how secure these OS are?
A simple matter of trust + everything being open source and mostly community provided, with the absolute crucial Kernel stuff being dictated by Linus Tovals himself even today.
>but are all these OS opensource?
Yes. That's the whole reason why there's millions of distros and sub-distros. You legit can build your dream operating system with Linux.
>I dont want to set up one of these OS and find out my steam account has been hacked or what ever.
You clearly have no fricking idea what you're even talking about if you need to state such worries ITT.
To put it short:
Linux is free, safe, secure, better performing, and truly open. Many of the distros are also just as easy, if not easier to use than modern Windows, but sometimes they also expect more technical know-how from the users.
>You clearly have no fricking idea what you're even talking about if you need to state such worries ITT.
That's the point of this thread is to educate myself on Linux because I have no idea what I'm talking about. I've only ever heard of the OS and never bothered to try it. I'm not super smart with technical stuff but if I have some resources and tutorial of some sort I'll manage to sort it out.
>if I have some resources and tutorial of some sort
And the first place you decided to seek for such sacred knowledge was an ANONYMOUS WEEB IMAGEBOARD'S VIDEO GAME section?
Google is your friend.
Youtube is filled with tutorials and introductory material. Wikipedia has all the knowledge you'll ever need.
But I'll throw you a bone:
you can literally make a "Live USB" drive with a Linux on it, and boot to it without installing it on your PC.
Yes, a full-blown operating system running on your USB stick, SD card, hell even a DVD if you got one. Try things out, see how it feels, then decide if it's worth checking another distro, or just installing either next to Windows, or on top of it.
>you can literally make a "Live USB" drive with a Linux on it, and boot to it without installing it on your PC.
this, also ventoy. allows you to drag & drop isos onto your USB and boot from them. It's nice having a swiss army knife of flash drives on my keyring with an encrypted copy of my passwords, the latest archiso, puppy linux, and even an windows ISO.
I figured to ask here first because I know there are people who actually game on Linux and wanted their unfiltered opinion. Web searches are filtered as frick and mostly anything you search online just sucks the wiener of Microsoft or any mainstream software/tech.
Thanks for the advise. Do the different Distro''s require a certain size? (obviously more than 40gb)
>Do the different Distro''s require a certain size?
Yes.
>(obviously more than 40gb)
That's the nu-Windows mentality.
Most modern-looking desktop Linux distros are like 4-8 gigabytes, tops.
Smallest ones literally fit on a single CD.
>Most modern-looking desktop Linux distros are like 4-8 gigabytes, tops.
>Smallest ones literally fit on a single CD.
Thats awesome to hear. Hate when an OS takes up so much of your HHD just from existing.
Does a Linux distro exist for phones? would be fun to run it on an older phone
>Does a Linux distro exist for phones?
<__<
calling android a linux distro is about as moronic as calling playstation os a freebsd distro
Yes? Whenever context allows me to be clear what I'm talking about, I refer to it as gutted FreeBSD (and XBox OS as gutted Windows 10). There's no technical justification to preventing the user from accessing core functionalities of their device, like installing software like desktop environments and what not - although I think it is justified to make the users jump through a couple of hoops such that newbies don't accidentally brick their installation. It's just anti-consumerist anti-features.
why don't you just call it all unix then?
I'm moronic when it comes to anything Linux. All I know about it is literally just the name. Wasn't aware the android is Linux based. I just barely discovered Raspberry Pi was a thing
Pretty much everything that isn't your PC, or an Apple product, is Linux.
For example, if you have an ISP provided modem/router combo that you use to connect to the internet, then that's actually a very low power computer running Linux in almost all cases.
>Does a Linux distro exist for phones?
Yeah it's called Android.
Literally Android. Although there are some GNU+Linux distributions for phones as well, like Sailfish OS.
Linux for phones exists, but it's in an alpha state right now and isn't really ready for daily use. In the meantime the closest you can get is a degoogled android ROM
is ARM the future of gaming?
not at the moment; perhaps in the future when vidya essentially runs inside containers, like Flatpak
Android is a neutered proprietary version of Linux. There are de-Googled versions of it, but requires work to install
>That's the point of this thread is to educate myself on Linux because I have no idea what I'm talking about. I've only ever heard of the OS and never bothered to try it. I'm not super smart with technical stuff but if I have some resources and tutorial of some sort I'll manage to sort it out.
Download virtualbox and a beginner-friendly distro like Zorin or Pop_OS, and follow along some tutorials.
I'm actually in the process of doing that right now. Going to check out what distro I prefer
for absolute noobs just try out ubuntu
most guides on the internet are for ubuntu
and change to something else ASAP because ubuntu sucks shit
Why would anyone use linux when it is objectively worse for gaming than windows?
Because it's not?
Linux unironically runs MORE games out of the box than modern Windows.
I can literally run DX5 era classic games on Linux, but not on anything newer than WinXP.
Many modern games ran through DXVK literally perform BETTER than they do natively on Windows + DirectX, and numerous audio or visual issues related to lack of obsolete drivers or other tech just don't happen on Linux.
It's even simpler:
you run a simple system update command, and everything gets done for you.
In some cases, everything you need is found in the "app store" -like package manager.
>but linux can play this 20 year old game better than windows
Who cares? Its 2022. Sounds like linux cope
>Who cares?
Everybody but (You).
t. Win7 master race.
>I'm interested in this topic, can somebody tell why ppl do X, Y or Z?
>WOW why you guys even care about this shit??
>okay well I only asked because I didn't realize you were all bunch of autists! don't care what you morons say!
t. (You).
That literally never happens in Linux.
Unlike in Wontworks, GNU/Linux is a modular package. If one part "breaks", rest will usually keep working just fine.
*cough cough*
Everybody but (me) huh?
Windows user here, I don't care about new games either
>It's even simpler:
>you run a simple system update command, and everything gets done for you.
You see with windows or even a (god forbid) mac, all i have to do is turn my pc off and it auto updates 🙂
No settings to adjust or errors to correct:)
Everything auto updates in Linux too. Heck, you don't even have to turn your PC off, everything updates by itself and only your kernel will be switched to the newer version the next time you power off.
Linux just doesn't have the windows culture of "download this program from that random website" and every developer having to bundle their own auto updater in the program itself, everything is handled through a single package manager.
>he has to turn off his pc to update
You should turn off your PC sometimes anyway.
i do once in while blue moon for kernel swaps
but its always my choice to do so of course
Wouldn't that possibly create small performance issues with very long uptimes? Like with the RAM or whatever
No
>A new version of chrome is available click here to download
>A new version of VLC is available click here to download
>A new version of utorrent is available click here to download
>A new version of windows is available restart to download
You think this is okay but it isn't. Unless you're running LTSC no way you don't have to adjust settings after a windows update.
>Many modern games ran through DXVK literally perform BETTER than they do natively on Windows + DirectX, and numerous audio or visual issues related to lack of obsolete drivers or other tech just don't happen on Linux.
Anon I love Linux but stop spreading false/exaggerated info. This is only applicable to games with terrible PC ports that have half-assed DX12 implementation, like FF7 Remake and Elden Ring. In general Windows still runs most games at a higher framerate, which is to be expected when you're running games through DXVK. The few times where it's more competent than the actual developer's implementation of DX12 is pretty rare, but luckily Japanese PC devs are terminally moronic.
>In general Windows still runs most games at a higher framerate, which is to be expected when you're running games through DXVK.
Depends on your hardware, DXVK also gets used a lot on Windows because of how terrible some vendors D3D drivers are.
Honestly cross-platform vendor-neutral implementations of high level APIs on top of standardized low level APIs is probably the future. Even when they're slower they're within a few percent and they have consistent quality and the ability to fix issues that Microsoft is uninterested in solving.
>>DXVK also gets used a lot on Windows because of how terrible some vendors D3D drivers are.
>years later and I still have to use DXVK on SASRT because Nvidia drivers are a pile of dog shit
Enough about updating, what if i DON'T want to update?
then just dont type in the funny words and it won't
No spam or forced problems to try and get me to update?
nope
if your software works now it'll work forever in theory
you might want security updates if you use the internet, especially so with a browser, but you could always just update that alone
nah. You're the one who decides.
You should update before turning off your system though, that's just good practice.
Why would they do that?
Your update manager will say "there are updates" if there are updates. That's all.
I've heard (but can't confirm) that bad things can happen if you don't update for a long-ass time — I suppose it's possible that you may end up in some kind of dependency hell if you let all your packages get out of date by years and then try to install something, if your distro's packages are maintained in such a way that assumes people will be reasonably up to date — but I wouldn't know, because I install updates. This isn't Windows where you need to be careful about not installing spyware and downgrades.
for the uninitiated: this kind of UI and settings is usually tied to your DE or any management software you might have on your system for package management apart from the distro-specific package manager
you can always set up a cronjob to update your system if you want, but there's not much need unless you want some hands-off server or something
>Linux unironically runs MORE games out of the box than modern Windows.
>Out the box
yeah okay anon.. what the frick did you even have to do to get Max Payne to even boot up? did you JUST double click on the .exe?
Wine runs 99% of games. So well in fact, that a game naive to wins 95, that won't work with win10, will work on linux.
so the only thing fricking linux gaming are the anti cheats? what if I felt like playing WoW, Tarkov, Chilvary 2, etc. will it just work?
>what the frick did you even have to do to get Max Payne to even boot up?
I'm not him — although, hilariously, he is using my screenshot, which I originally posted in a much earlier thread. Anyway, I just downloaded the game from Steam and clicked "play". Steam automatically runs Windows games through Proton. Max Payne works best with Proton 5.13, in my experience, whereas the latest Proton causes some issue with the color depth or brightness last time I checked. But you can select older Proton versions like 5.13 in the game's Properties menu, so that's a non-issue.
Running a non-Steam version with Wine? I don't know; it probably works.
>Running a non-Steam version with Wine? I don't know; it probably works.
it does
Because I hate windows and windows is the devil
Why is linux so complicated? Do people really need to build "the dream os" what does that even mean?
>oh i want my start button here and i want it to where when i click an explosion happens
Who careeees
>Why is linux so complicated?
It really is not.
>Do people really need to build "the dream os"
Some of us do.
>what does that even mean?
Not being leashed and neutered by a mega-corps that keep making their systems more expensive, more bloated yet less capable each and every single year.
Linux gives the users full control over THEIR PC, instead of turning them into a part of a botnet.
>boohoo i dont want be part of the "botnet"
Whatever that is schizo.
It sounds like an excuse for autismos to feel superior just for spending hours adjusting settings for the pc to even start
>spending hours adjusting settings for the pc to even start
This is exactly what I want to avoid.
You are much more likely going to break your PC's bootloader using modern Windows operating systems.
Seriously kid, there's a reason why almost all servers and numerous other professional applications use Linux.
Hell, unless you're an Apple-gay, you might even be using a "Linux-lite" on your phone as we speak.
>Seriously kid, there's a reason why almost all servers and numerous other professional applications use Linux.
>I MUST have an OS ment for server/administrative work to game on!
Wanna guess for what purpose Windows was created originally, eh champ?
>blaming the israelites for your tiny penis
to bad Windows can't help you get laid loser
>Apple-gay
Never. I have always hated apple products, first time I sat down and touched that keyboard never bother to use it again. Same with the phones
Most people who use Linux do it with the defaults, with maybe some theming customization at most. The extreme ricers are a vocal minority.
>Why is linux so complicated?
because hackers who use it are so good with computers that they don't bother dumbing it down for normalgays
I have no idea how to get the community to put more effort into making moron-proof abstraction layer on top of Linux
>hackers
you give the average linux user too much credit.
It's called Fedora.
>gnome
>pipewire
>wayland
>selinux
>dnf
Designed from the ground up to be used by hard working white men.
>wayland
kek
>wayland bad
tick tock, xorgger
It has a higher skill ceiling and a slightly higher skill floor.
It's perceived as complicated because most people are computer illiterate or just aren't used to the interface.
Having the ability to something is comfortable to use is just a natural extension of an open source OS.
It's just the OS people use when they aren't being bamboozled by societal pressure, corporate sabotage and marketing.
Microsoft makes sure it's the default install on everything and sabotages interoperability whenever possible.
ER crashing constantly also got me to switch away from PCI-passthrough Windows to just Linux.
A lot of stuff will just werk out of the box and there will probably be just a handful of things that don't. You won't need to search out drivers for DACs and drawing tablets like on Windows and even for virtual machines there is virtIO support.
Stay on win11 fren
It really seems like linux is a meme
>you have to spend hours tweeking all the setting but then if you want to play a game you have to tweek all the settings again then if you want to watch a video you have to tweek all the settings AGAIN
>you have to spend hours tweeking all the setting
depends on the distro
>but then if you want to play a game you have to tweek all the settings again
some autist has already done it, you just run the install script
>if you want to watch a video you have to tweek all the settings AGAIN
no?
I've had ubuntu for like 7 years and I've never had to "tweak" anything and I've really only needed to know the bare minimum of how to use the command line for setting things up.
>then if you want to watch a video you have to tweek all the settings AGAIN
Windows shills say the weirdest shit. lol
>run game
>no audio
many such cases, im going back to windows
If you are unwilling to fix stuff that inevitably breaks and only use your PC for gaming, Linux is simply not for you, and that's ok.
I don't mind fixing stuff, I do it on windows often enough already. Its just I dont want to open a program up and the OS reboots or something crazy like that.
>the wingays are already out seething
I miss him bros
If you have to ask, the answer is always Ubuntu.
just keep using windows, linux isn't for you
Daily reminder linux is for coping schizo poorgays who are either to broke or too scared to get windows.
I have both, keep seething
Both as in linux and windows or both as in poorgay and schizo?
honestly possibly all four
show your specs homosexual
at least you tried
I paid 2000 euros for my new pc, installed linux on it and it handles modern AAA like a dream. What kind of argument is that.
>durr you're too broke or scared to receive a good dicking by a corporation
From this thread i have gathered
>use linux if you want to play 30 year old games
>use linux if you have dozens of hours of free time
>use linux if you want to be rebellious and stick it to the MAN
Good reasons
from this reply i have gathered
>use windows if you want to play fortnite
>use windows if you don't have the mental capacity for follow even a youtube video
>use windows if you like big tech sticking it up your ass
daily reminder that gatekeeping is a good thing and we shouldnt be encouraging morons here to switch to linux
Should I do the step from windows to linux? I work at my iMac and use windows just for gaming.
I hate the microisraelite so much like you wouldn't believe.
>Should I do the step from windows to linux?
Try some distros of your choice using a bootable USB drive. When you find one of your liking that works well enough via USB, install it either next to Windows, or format and do a clean install.
Is there a way to transfer your current drivers to a clean formatted Linux install? When I used to mess around with installing cracked windows OS on old hard drives to learn nothing worked because basic drivers were not installed and had to use another computer to download the drivers.
You don't need to do any of that on Linux.
That's right, you do not need to "download drivers".
All the hardware and software compatibility is built straight into the Linux Kernel.
99.9% of all hardware WILL just work. Only the most cutting edge HW may not be included in the Linux's data banks just yet, but there's instantly a few million devs rushing to get them included.
...Visual Novels ?
>All the hardware and software compatibility is built straight into the Linux Kernel.
Is that like a driver data base in the iso when you first run it?
>Is that like a driver data base in the iso when you first run it?
Even better: it's all etched into the very heart of the operating system itself.
>I hate the microisraelite so much like you wouldn't believe.
if this is the case, then yes
There are some exotic choices (like running Android on desktop - Android uses exactly the same Linux kernel but a different set of core software, or analogous stuff like setting up Gentoo to use BSD core software instead of GNU), but realistically the ability to run games is identical between all "usual" distributions because they use the same upstream software. The differences are in things like the package manager, update model (point releases vs rolling release), bundled default software (most notably the desktop environment), bleeding edge (incorporating the latest versions of upstream software as they become available) vs stability (delaying releases to make sure components work well together), etc. Basically the only thing that goes into actual game-compatibility is bleeding edge distributions getting the latest drivers with potential performance improvements quicker.
I'll skip detailed reasoning but my top recommendation would be KUbuntu (the latest version 22.04 seems to also be a long-term support version, but were that not the case, I would have recommended the latest version due to more up-to-date components like drivers being kinda important as far as gaming is concerned).
For the record, I myself use Fedora, which strikes a lot of the correct notes here (like having really up-to-date software - like drivers, but having less of a risk of breakable because it's point release), but there are some minor details that might cause headache to someone unfamiliar with the ecosystem, like their policy towards non-free software (you have to go through a checklist of "things to do", like installing non-free media codecs etc).
>Realized I no longer need Windows when finding work arounds to getting Elden Ring to function with a gpu incompatible with the latest directX
>Go linux and never look back
Thank you Miyazaki-sama
@605792740 @605792950 @605793068 @605793069 @605793090 @605793162 @605793309 @605793420 @605793467 @605793496 @605793612 @605793730 @605793806 @605793913 @605794349
>samegayging this hard
If an entire Italian city started using Linux (Zorin) in all their offices and facilities a few years ago, and every other server machine in the world rans Linux to boot, you can bet your ass that the team penguin's OS are safe and stable.
It's gaming capabilities have also skyrocketed in the past 4 years thanks to SteamPlay, and now Steam Deck's attracting some big-name publishers to support the cause.
Are VNs working ok on linux?
every vn ive tried runs fine, including modded ones
Even those new win10 ones?
haven't tried, but if you have some specific ones you'd like me to try i can. but worst case you can probably just run it in virtualbox anyway, not like they have high system requirements
A lot of visual novels (well, recent Western ones at least) are made using RenPy and as such work natively. They're some of the most basic programs around so I can't imagine compatibility being an issue and indeed I've played Japanese visual novels like Bible Black as far back as in the early 2000s using Wine, although I guess you should never underestimate the ability of Japanese to make weird technical choices that makes their games weird to run even on their native platforms so maybe there are some one-off examples that don't work, or don't work out-of-the-box.
They usually work fine after tinkering with the installation apart from some ones like the english version of Yume Miru Kusuri (which is missing some internal calls in Wine) and Grisaia (graphic driver bug still unfixed in Mesa).
As an example, an Euphoria bug on Wine got fixed just last month.
I've been using Linux since 2006 when Vista came out. It was so horrendous it made me switch. I've used pretty much every major distro out there throughout the years, and I'd say right now the overall best is hands down Fedora, no contest. If you install it, just remember to install the nonfree repos from https://rpmfusion.org/Configuration/ as well, and you're pretty much good to go. Don't bother with Ubuntu, it has been complete shit for over a decade, and the only reason it's so widely used is because it used to be good before 2011 and people are resistant to change.
Is it good for playing games?
As good as any Linux distro.
>people unironically recommending ubuntu in this thread
it's literally just debian stable with gnome installed. oh and with a load of free bloatware. and guess what? any worthwhile ubuntu fork is just the same shit with a different desktop enviroment. garbage
>file.png
this hasn't been a thing for a long time
Linux mint.
What's the difference in the versions? Is there one that's more stable? or is it just like windows home, professional, etc.
You mean like Cinnamon, MATE, etc? Those are different desktop environments.
There are so many apps that I'm using that don't work on linux and alternative are just shit. If it was all about games I would switch long time ago.
>LTS for desktop usage
I love kubuntu.
It works really well.
The only game out of alot that I cant play is stranger of paradise and lost planet colonies.
I think it has something to do with the videos. Installed all the 32+64bit gstreamer plugins but i think its the culprit.
Work related: RDP to windows machine is slow. Read somewhere its still the win98 standard lol
Otherwise I would say for older games linux has even more compatibility than windows these days. It works suprisingly well.
Ok but what is the purpose of linux besides "its no windows"?
Its seems like the only pro is it can run old software and is compatible with old hardware.
i just got tired of windows constantly doing shit i didnt ask it to
Hmmmmm. I guess your "its not windows" argument has reason. Only valid argument in the entire thread
This shit, I know Windows 7 backported the telemetry but 10 just does stuff without asking you
>Oh do you wanna use Edge
>No
>Well we'll ask you again until you do
>Oh do you want gay troony flags in your search bar?
>No
>Well too bad
>Do you want us to push MSM garbage news to your computer?
>No
>Too bad
>Do you want ads in your software, start menu and explorer
>No
>We're gonna do it anyway, what are you gonna do? You have to use Windows
I have a 10 install for VR, and it feels like you're wrestling with the OS to change every little setting from the default as if Microsoft know better than you how you should use your computer, like it's a fricking locked down console, in Linux you just type
>Yes do as I say!
And it does it
>>Oh do you want gay troony flags in your search bar?
What, it happened? How?
it actually unironically fricking did
any search engine "windows 10 remove gay flags"
When did they add that shit? I haven't used Windows for about 10 days, but gay month had already begun
>When did they add that shit?
during pride month
I don't know the details since I'm not using windows
Never been an issue for me. Why do you even have the search bar constantly extended? Wait, is that Cortana? Lmao.
It's the default, like cortana
>but I used a third party tool to rip out cortana
Bruh that's the point, you need third party tools to rip out core OS functions to make it tolerable
>>but I used a third party tool to rip out cortana
I didn't. At least I don't remember doing it.
>MSM bullshit in start bar
I just filter it out at this point. Is it removable?
They added it to normal versions of Windows 10 during homosexual month, I only noticed because B&S just would not work after an update on W7, there is no option to disable it, only hide the search bar entirely which is jarring coming off Linux
If you use LTSC or Education like most people here it doesn't have it but be real normal people don't install those, you are now forced to see political propaganda front and center if you use microsofts shit, I'm surprised they didn't add the Ukraine flag considering how much the notifications kept popping up about the big bad evil russia, I don't want to see raindow or swastika flags in my OS whatsoever an OS should be agnostic Windows 10 legitimately reminds me of MSN news
>in Linux you just type
>>Yes do as I say!
>And it does it
Having to type that out in full before it'll let you frick up your installation will never stop being funny to me
I'm using Windows 10 and I don't have any of that. I see it mention Edge sometimes, but it happens so rarely that I can't figure out even an approximate frequency. I've been looking into Linux, but came to a conclusion that I probably won't switch to it until my next PC. M$ is a b***h, but I can't say that I'm suffering a whole lot right now. I'm certain that when I make the switch and get everything to work, I'll be wishing I did it sooner.
it's faster
Pretty sure that's the reason a majority of users switch. There's also people who like to play with something different, prefer how customizable is, the fact that you can easily live boot and how light it is and can fit many needs, from a barebones OS to one with a script made to install all the software that you need. Easier to use officially for enterprises than pay for licenses.
Now would I use windows if ms literally made a modern XP or 7 that's lightweight and doesn't force me to go to /fwt/ guide to debloat it? Yes, yes I would. Will ms do that? Quite, the opposite.
Although I doubt you actually care about any of this and are just posting to bait anons and play the role of an agitator, am I wrong?
Any number of potential reasons. A big and practical one that affects day-to-day use would be the availability of desktop environments with a different workflow or ones that are just better (KDE) than explorer.exe, and along those lines (although not affecting moment-to-moment use) are different and arguably on the net lesser headaches like how system updates and drivers work.
Ultimately people use operating systems not for their own sake but to run programs and hopefully the OS doesn't get in the way of that by automatically restarting for updates (or requiring you to crawl through the menus to disable such a functionality) and with those two points these are exhausted and you get to more minor details. Some care about different and mostly better security decisions. Others like to rice up their setup, or at least like to in principle have control of their system and to understand how it works, or indeed like how Unix-like operating systems DO fundamentally work (e.g. power users who like to use text shell - you can use text shell on Windows and nowadays you can even use Bash, but it's not a natural way of doing things). The availability of software like Photoshop is an argument in favor of Windows, but likewise Linux has better tools (or a better ecosystem to work a tool that available for both systems) for other tasks, like machine learning or many programming languages. People might use Linux at work and as such it's natural to use it home as well (or they want to get acquainted in order to work). Hell, maybe there are the kind of mythical morally upright creatures that actually care about FOSS ideology or not giving any more power to megacorporations than what's strictly required. And besides, why not?
main reasons I switched from Windows to Linux is:
>windows kept fricking stealth uninstalling my torrent client every midnight and prevented me from running the installer for it again, which I could only get around by some incredibly hacky shit to let me reinstall it again, but even then it still deleted my torrent client without any warning each day
>melty blood type lumina being hardcapped at 40 fps for no reason when I played it on Windows, but working straight out of the box on Linux
>I really do not want to deal with forced updates or my PC suddenly turning on at night to update ever again
on top of that you get
>faster booting times and less RAM usage because most linux distros aren't bloated pieces of shit
>OS takes up less HDD space
>significantly more secure since most viruses are targeted at Windows computers
>most games just work with Proton or Lutris, some require a bit of tweaking but if you've ever played old PC games on Windows this shouldn't be unfamiliar to you
>installing new shit using package managers is significantly more streamlined and easier by using a single terminal command rather than having to download and run the installer yourself
>I only update the system when I choose to
>can customize practically anything to my liking
>for programming and development, a lot of tools are built around Linux or work easier with it
>online documentation for how to do shit in Linux or how to fix shit is aplenty, as opposed to Windows where your only source of help is often outdated YouTube videos or Microsoft's tech support pages that have only the vaguest most general answers
>shit's free, don't have to bother with licensing keys or anything
only main downside to Linux is that it doesn't have as strong of a multimedia tool suite (shit like Photoshop or Sony Vegas), and its open-source clones aren't that good in comparison
but otherwise it's well worth the effort of learning Linux
For video editing on Linux, there's davinci resolve, and the FOSS kdenlive is quite good too
Easier to tune to your liking
Much lighter weight (meaning more memory available for actual computing work)
Faster
Much less malware and spyware
Everything is free without having to torrent from shady websites
im an EXPERT PROGRAMMER that uses Debian, CentOS, Redhat and OpenBSD professionally but ive been thinking of using steamos on my dedicated GAMING PERSONAL COMPUTER
>tfw listened to Ganker and installed Gentoo on a core 2 duo laptop and spent a week compiling everything
To be fair, that laptop ran faster than it ever did after. Diving head first into the more unfriendly stuff was a lot of fun. I currently use Arch on my main PC, and I have to say that having a more hands on approach to things certainly help you learn how everything works and makes solving problems easier down the road
"Linux is free, if your time is worthless"
>says whilst posting on a mongolian basket weaving throat singing website
>oh noo I have to spend like a minute or two installing it oh god
but anon he has to copy paste a command in google to install the drivers 🙁
that is vital shitposting time!
Which firewall should I install?
just dont open ports
The firewall is built-in to the kernel (netfilter), what you have is various interfaces and GUIs for said interfaces to configure that firewall. As I understand, most distributions ship ports closed by default, you need a firewall setup if you want to do more granular privilege changes. Depending on distribution you're using there might be some such program pre-installed and it's probably adequate - just search the menu, but I think I've personally used Gufw.
I didn't understand a single thing you said.
embrace your innocence
To be honest, I'm not intimately familiar with the topic myself so I might have made a mistake giving a technically correct response.
But the takeway is that you don't need to care about such things unless you're going to do something special where you'll know you definitely need to do something (for me it was restricting access of my DLNA porn streaming server to my own devices in the home network). Hell, do you need to install some third-party software (or change settings from default) even on Windows, nowadays?
You are putting me on! Every computer needs a firewall!
The point he’s making is that the firewall is built into the OS.
Imagine a car where you have to install an aftermarket A/C system; that is Windows. Now imagine a car with the A/C system built in from the factory; that is Linux.
>my DLNA porn streaming server
Elaborate on that. Not the porn, but everything else. What is DLNA, why would you need to stream stuff from a personal server, etc.
You don't have to install a firewall, it's already in the base system. The system kernel (basically what makes everything work) has a program called netfilter, that handles the firewall part. You can configure this firewall if you want, not by running netfilter itself, but by running user interfaces to configure it in a user friendly way. However, you probably won't need to, because most Linux distributions have network ports closed by default, meaning you don't really have to do anything to be secure. As for which user interface/program you want to use to configure the firewall, you probably would have one on your Linux distribution right out of the box, which you could find by searching for "firewall" in the menu. Anon had Gufw, but there are others.
What GUI is most like tinywall or simplewall?
Not sure but I tried a few firewalls and UFW (Gufw for the GUI) is the simplest I've seen personally.
That is a great question! What programs are out there that would replace windows firewall?
Gufw should do the job well. I've used Ufw before, Gufw is the graphical user interface of Ufw, it's simple and works well for when you need to open or close specific ports for your needs.
this (
) but instead of gufw use firewalld
Is it possible to play League of Legends on Linux without abi.vsyscall32=0
I heard it slows down 32 bit applications i don't wanna do it.
I think there's a wine build for that
Which anti-virus should I install?
Common Sense 2022
>Security through obscurity
That just means if more people start using Linux then it will not be secure anymore.
through obscurity
Linux is free and open source; what are you on about?
To be fair it'd be more like "all the braindead morons are on Windows, so let's target them instead of the Linux nerds".
I still disagree though, for Linux is still a good target of choice since it runs servers and sometimes even routers. Linux is more secure than Windows, although both are still vulnerable in a lot of ways, Windows is just a very specific kind of fricked up.
Windows + WSL2.
Guys help me. I want to try out linux but never used something like a VM. Where should I start, what should I do?
Do you have an adequate computer for running a VM?
sure. gaming pc from 2020
Alright, all you need to try a Linux OS without making bootable USB is an ISO and VM software
You can, technically, booting a small game or two should be totally fine but typically a live media session isn't exactly designed to be use as a linux environment.
1. download virtualbox
2. download ubuntu iso
3. ???
4. profit
VMs and Linux have nothing to do with each other. You can use Linux but never use a VM, and the other way around. If you want to use a VM, look up VirtualBox (don't forget the VirtualBox Guest additions)
If you want to use Linux, you can go easy mode: download an Iso of Linux Mint, create a bootable USB drive with that Iso (you can use software like BalenaEtcher for that, it works well), then boot your PC off that USB drive and try it.
And I can use this usb stick linux like a real OS? Install drivers and games, etc.?
Booting from an USB stick is normally just for you to see if you like it and it works for you. Once you're sure it's good, you can actually install the thing on your hard drive, there's an "Install [whichever Linux distro you're using" program on the desktop, click it and it'll actually install the Linux distribution on your hard drive. You can choose to keep it alongside your existing Windows by splitting your hard drive in two, or make it your only system. Either way, back up your data before erasing your shit.
Also
is right, you can also just try out Linux directly on your Windows session by using a VM, it's simple and easy. Get VirtualBox or another VM software (if Virtualbox, don't forget the guest additions) and an iso of the Linux distro you want to use. You can even run another windows.
Just get Fedora or ubuntu.
It's the most common distro with the most online help/community.
Everything else is irrelevant.
Linux just doesn't have basic stuff like mpc, musicbee or other apps.
>mpc
>musicbee
I remember you. Didn't you at one point straight up say you specifically use those because they don't work on linux?
Nah, must have been some other anon.
>musicbee
Never heard of it. Pretty sure it's not a video game though.
>Need the most stable OS I dont want to spend 90% trying to find fixes to make my games work.
That's the linux experience, and not just games, tough luck if you have to use photoshop or some excel spreadsheet
#
>what OS would be best for gaming since that's what I mainly do on my PC?
It hardly matters. Ubuntu is what is officially supported by most things including native Linux games, but if you want a good desktop environment then you'll want to use some Ubuntu derivative. For a newbie like you, Linux Mint is fine. Then again, Lutris doesn't support Mint, so if you want to use Lutris then maybe try Pop!_OS instead. Lutris is pointless if you're only going to play Steam games though.
>Going to use virtual box to try it.
How are you going to test gaming performance in comparison to Windows when you're using a VM? Don't be a pussy; just create a partition or buy a new disk, and install Linux.
>Need the most stable OS I dont want to spend 90% trying to find fixes to make my games work.
Like I said, the specific Linux distro you choose will hardly make any difference in this regard. If there's a fix needed to make a game work on Linux, you'll generally need that fix on any distro. Deal with it or stay on Windows.
I managed to get games to work on mint with lutris, haven't been able to get things to work with steam adding non-steam games, don't know why but since lutris works so well for me I don't bother
the primary issue with recommending Ubuntu or similar distros is that often times Mesa will not be the bleeding-edge/git version, and as such the average gamer might suffer from older gpu drivers on AMD
niche of course, but something to think about since some games do have stuttering or issues solved via mesa updates; I believe Elden Ring was one example for AMD users
frick im tired today and skipping words left and right
currently I have a NVIDIA GTX 3060 will this have any issues? Or is it for older cards like GTX 970
mesa only really matters for AMD since the open source drivers are better for those cards
for nvidia as long as you run proprietary drivers on a modern card (30 series included), you'll be good
where do you find proprietary drivers? Is it something that nvidia will have or Linux community sites?
your package manager will have them
for arch its just 'sudo pacman -S nvidia'
if you're on a fancy kernel it'd just be 'sudo pacman -S nvidia-dkms' alongside the headers for your fancy kernel
nouveau is the open source nvidia driver that works for older cards, but you'll want to avoid it if you're using a modern card for sure
I think I have a old laptop laying around some place and I'll reboot that with a linux OS. Do I have to place the iso on USB/CD or can I run it from the virtual mount like magic disk or deamon tools?
I've always just livebooted from a usb
usually use rufus (windows) or dd (linux) to set it up with the iso
I will warn you that if your laptop is hybrid intel/nvidia you'll have to configure and install some extra stuff for graphics switching to work as well as probably use something like primusrun for games
if you don't intend to game on it much then you don't really have to worry about that at all
I used to want to switch to Arch without a Desktop Environment so I could work in a more organized way but honestly what's the point? If I want to stack windows I can do it with the shortcuts or manually and I don't do it all that often anyway, especially with a dual screen.
If I want Linux shit, I can use WSL2. Except now I also have Powershell if I want.
It's pretty neat.
>I also have Powershell if I want.
why do you hate yourself this much?
You'll need Powershell for some tools though, especially Windows hacking/recon tools.
>I also have Powershell if I want
And I can eat poop if I want. I don't want though
>without a Desktop Environment
I tried looking into this, but I've seen a demonstration of what this is actually like. Why would you not want to have a desktop? How does that increase productivity?
Using a DWM forces you to think differently and multitask by splitting your screen instead of alt tabbing or doing things more manually
>Need the most stable OS I dont want to spend 90% trying to find fixes to make my games work.
remember when you were a kid just learning computer and didn't know how to do even the basic shit like moving files around and changing settings?
that's how you're going to feel switching to linux, except now you're not a kid that soaks in any knowledge like a sponge, but a moronic adult that hates change and refuses to learn
so you're either commit and bite the bullet or eat shit
Just use Mint. Designed to be ‘Windows babby’s first Linux’, and will do 99% of what you ask of it. Combine it with Wine (a Windows emulator) and you can play any PC game your computer has the horsepower to run
Don't get me wrong, i'll use Bash whenever I need to script something. Maybe even Python if I don't want to wrestle with Bash. It's not that I'd use powershell, it's that I can use it, and it's good for the 1% cases in which I might need it.
>There's also the fact that part of the reason I'm trying to make the switch is because linux eats less system resources when I try and do shit.
Fair enough, but W10 is pretty light nowadays. My Manjaro+KDE machine is currently using 7GB/16 of RAM with Firefox and about 80 tabs. It's about what you'd expect of W10. I guess W10 would use more CPU though since it has a bunch of background shit, but it's hard to notice.
>W10 is pretty light
Yes, I'd recommend Linux for low end PCs, but middle/high ends PCs can comfortably run W10. Of course you might be able to win a few % CPU usage or a few ram GB with a properly configured Linux distro, but it probably won't change your experience in any way. Except maybe battery life.
I used Arch before, I guess you'd end up with maybe 4GB of ram instead of 7 if you include the Desktop Environment and the Firefox tabs?
Ended up switching to Manjaro since I had a hardware issue and wasn't sure whether I fricked up with Arch or it was hardware. It was hardware.
I'd like to go back to Arch someday but I feel like I'm just gonna be wasting my time tinkering, not necessarily learning that much from that.
there isn't much to tinker on arch unless you're into configuring your DE a bunch
I'm bringing up tinkering because I think I might have fricked up. What I did was the basic installation process:
>partition HDD (EFI partition, / root partition, /home partition)
>mount partitions
>pacstrap for basic packages install and shit
>genfstab for mounting partitions automatically
>swapfile
>install grub, boot manager with pacman
>create users/groups
I'm afraid I might have messed up after that, when I booted it normally and hesitated between DWM and Plasma since I did some hackery to disable DWM and go for Plasma instead
I also don't remember checking for drivers, do these come automatically when you update your system with Pacman?
when I've swapped DEs it was just a dropdown in my display manager (lightdm-gtk-greeter)
I assume you just made an edit to .xinitrc or something?
>I also don't remember checking for drivers, do these come automatically when you update your system with Pacman?
guess
had the answer, I did that. So it gets updated automatically with the rest.
It just felt a bit weird how I'd get 1-2GB updates every week or so for some reason. Manjaro updates seem to be much lighter, that might be because they delay the updates, and not because I fricked up?
Yeah I think I did something like that. Or maybe I did:
>systemctl disable lightdm
>systemctl enable sddm
Not sure, but either way I should redo that someday.
as long as the display manager is configured right (no missing theme or whatnot) and the service is enabled it should have come up
either could have switched to the dwm or plasma session though of course
It works, I have my Plasma desktop, but sometimes it looks like it's booting twice before it succeeds. I can't explain it, but this and the hardware issue (basically anytime I moved my laptop too much it'd Kernel panic - loop on the last 2 seconds of sound while freezing visually and I'd have to hard reboot it) made me think I might have fricked up somewhere.
the hardware issue is probably not your fault (unless you dropped it)
can't explain the booting twice behavior but it has been a while since I've seen plasma load up
yay and paru will also do -Syu through pacman first if you just type `yay` or `paru`
I don't have Honeyview on Linux, so I can't switch;
an image viewer?
A good image viewer that just display your picture full screen when you click it, lets you scroll or zoom the picture very smoothly (it's for reading things after all), no clunkiness, with also support for nice features like copying the current picture to a folder, CBZ support, jumping from a folder to another...
I have Gwenview and Okular on my distro but they're underwhelming.
I also would like to have a Paint.Net equivalent and I don't want to learn Gimp or Photoshop. Maybe I should still try Photoshop, but that sounds like a pain.
It's tangentially related, but can someone explain how a Steam Deck runs? For example, I see Ace Combat 7 is Steam Deck compatible but I don't see anywhere on the Steam page mentioning it is LInux/SteamOS compatiable. I was under the impression that the Steam Deck used a linux kernel. What's actually going on under the hood?
its running the game via Proton, a fork of Wine
Wine is a translation layer that basically tells Linux how to run a piece of software that was originally designed to run on Windows (various versions)
Proton also packs in an automatic installation of either dxvk or vkd3d, whichever is applicable based on directx version, to translate any calls to directx to Vulkan instead since obviously: directx doesn't run on Linux
there's more to it of course, but this is the basic gist
Thanks that's very informative. Does this mean I could just install SteamOS on my desktop, run the game via Proton, and be able to play Ace Combat 7 without issues?
in theory
SteamOS 3.0 isn't ready for general desktop use without some tweaking
HoloISO exists from a third party but has things you'd want to fix or have to deal with eventually that don't make it ideal for a general desktop quite yet
I'd suggest EndeavorOS or Arch via archinstall instead which would give you the same experience just without the caveats of using Valve's repos
you COULD use Valve's repos on either on those versions of Arch, but packages being vastly out of date is not ideal
basically: SteamOS is just Arch installed with Plasma, Steam, Gamescope, Wayland, Mangohud, and a session management between the gamepad ui version of Steam (launched through Gamescope which requires Wayland, incompatible with Nvidia GPUs at the moment) and standard desktop Plasma with a slightly different theme
installing EndeavorOS or Arch with Plasma as your DE will get you 90% of the way there; you'd just want Steam (if you use it) and your GPU drivers (mesa or nvidia)
>I dont want to spend 90% trying to find fixes to make my games work
homie you will spend most of your time googling fixes for everything you do
Does it show you the commands it's running? I'd like to know what it's doing after it's done. Makes scripting and automatizing easier too.
Does every single player game work through wine/proton?
No.
Wine and Proton are great and it may be the case that you'll be able to run every game you actually like, but an unambiguous "no" is the only responsible answer to this question, lest you install Linux under delusional pretenses and then get butthurt about some random game not working perfectly.
Shouldn't it reach a point where everything works?
When there's a will, there's a way. But will is a limited resource, and nobody gives a frick about random obscure games that may have worked on Windows only because of some undocumented hack. And if there WERE an infinite number of genius programmers working infinitely fast on fixing Wine, I'd rather they stop and just work on creating native source ports for every game instead.
I'll check it out, thanks.
Most likely yes
I heard some games had issues but like 90% or 95% were good? Other than anti cheat games and some edge cases Proton should do the work.
for reference as well when using Arch-based distros:
Proton GE can be obtained via the AUR as proton-ge-custom-bin or proton-ge-custom packages
Wine and Proton have been making big strides towards solving the WMF problem thankfully
its only a matter of time
Can somebody explain to a brainlet like me what's Wayland and Xorg or whatever is the name of the competitor?
they are just display servers
Wayland was created to try and solve some security issues people had with xorg among other things
honestly it doesn't matter much for the end-user
you can pretty much only use Wayland right now if you run AMD, not sure if you'd run into any issues but Valve uses it and Gamescope to run nested sessionst to contain games at certain resolutions, framerates, etc.
if you run Nvidia, just use xorg for now and you'll be set
So basically let's say a Desktop Environement like KDE Plasma is installed. The way it displays windows depends on either Wayland or Xorg, that's what it is?
And AMD -> Wayland, Nvidia -> Xorg.
yea I'm not into display management architecture but Wayland does something along the lines of taking out a piece of the chain-of-communication when windows ask for certain things from the display server
wikipedia or the main project pages can show this much easier than I ever could just talking from rough memory
with KDE Plasma you can choose to run either its xorg or Wayland sessions at login, and swap between them at will
comparison for Wayland
both are from Wayland's site: https://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html
Neat.
>The way (KDE) displays windows depends on either Wayland or Xorg, that's what it is?
Yes, and it should be largely transparent to the end user.
> AMD -> Wayland, Nvidia -> Xorg.
AMD can also be used with X.org, Nvidia's proprietary driver you need for gaming has issues with Wayland that can depend on what window manager is being used.
yea that's reasonable
I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to package management and try to avoid using multiple managers on one system, though I use flatpak on my Steam Deck for obvious reasons (unless I eventually swap it from SteamOS to Arch)
this masterpiece was 100% made using Linux workstations
Kek, interesting analogy for sure. I remember having occasional issues with dual monitor back when I used Mint (with Xorg), maybe this explains that.
if they're the same refresh rate you'd probably be fine
I run a 165 and a 120 and haven't ever really seen tearing to my knowledge (no compositor either)
the desktop environment is more important imo. as someone who's used Cinnamon for 2 years, it sucks so much and breaks in annoying ways. The other DEs are way too basic to even have an opinion about. The only standout DE i've used is KDE, you should try them all out on a live usb if you want to see how different the feeling is
The "constant repairs" aspect of Linux is a fricking meme. Even if the rate and severity of issues is higher than Windows (which I as an intermediate Linux user claim it's not), the fix 99/100 is "sudo pacman -S *programthatfixesmyproblem*." Or "sudo nano config.txt" and change a single line from 1 to 0. Meanwhile in Windows you are diving into legacy control panel menus for diagnostic programs you have never heard of, editing registry keys, or running .bat files you found on the Internet.
It reminds me of my other hobby, working on cars. People claim older cars are a pain and break all the time. Okay, even if that is true, would you rather buy a $10 part at Autozone and swap it out, or get out your diagnostic tool and wiring diagram before digging into the deepest recesses of your engine bay to find some $200 sensor that went bad? You are fooling yourself if you think your stuff should/will never break. I would much rather have the freedom to quickly and easily fix the inevitable.
pls no make fun of regedit sir 🙁
As a Windows user I only broke my system once, for some reason I had a weird background process hogging CPU (not a virus, just some weird shit going on, COM something). Could barely do anything with the system (not even running a browser) and I knew it'd die eventually.
Running Linux from a USB Drive and reinstalling saved my ass but it took me an entire day to reconfigure everything. Linux is probably easier to maintain overall.
Linux is a meme, don't fell for it
If you're using Linux to play games, install Ubuntu. Commercial Linux software is pretty much all targeting Ubuntu and RedHat, and as far as I've started to see, not even RedHat.
All of the Ubuntu variants (Xubuntu, Ubuntu MATE, etc) are basically the same under the hood, so pick the one that looks the nicest, they're just different interfaces, and Ubuntu has a lot of documentation on how to do shit available.
You can also try SteamOS, I guess -- I've never used it.
In terms of security, Linux is generally quite secure (in large part due to very few attacks on desktop systems, and you aren't going to be running server shit like WordPress and PHP on your gaming desktop lol).
You still need to follow basic precautions like not downloading and running random scripts and shit, like you would on Windows -- doesn't matter how secure you are from remote attack if you just let something stupid in right through the front door.
Linux is extremely modulable anyways, the distro you start on doesn't matter much
if you go for an uncommon one finding up to date prebuilt binaries is going to be a pita tho.
>This looks expensive to repair, frick"
As is the intention, problems only the manufacturer can fix, for a hefty price
So has anyone cracked the seat heating DRM yet?
gonna pirate that hot booty
Wasted half a day tried to install fricking wine and lost in the end. First thing the fricking official install guide just doesn't work and shits itself half way. Then you just google solutions that bring more problems and more solutions. Eventually it installed but in wrong version. No way to update, installed as 64bit but wanted to be 32bit. Then just more googling and googling without any solutions. Meanwhile it installs hundreds of packages, unless I need something then it's nope. Your version is too new, your version is too old. And only way to reinstall this cancer is to reformat drive. Frick this noise. I'm angry.
Get wineHQ. I did and everything just works
>pacman -S wine
wow so hard
Do these
https://github.com/lutris/docs/blob/master/WineDependencies.md
https://github.com/lutris/docs/blob/master/InstallingDrivers.md
Linux Mint or Manjaro are good ones. I run them both and have no issues. Manjaro is pretty close to what SteamOS is
Is there a HWinfo64 alternative for Linux? Is psensors as good as it gets?
Does lutris auto install wine?
lutris is just a front-end to manage wineprefixes and such
it does have a lot of lutris-patched winerunners that it typically defaults to but you can also install versionf of wine as desired that aren't from your system's package manager
>Need the most stable OS I dont want to spend 90% trying to find fixes to make my games work.
LOL you should just stick to consoles then.
If you're actually serious, just go with Ubuntu or Linux Mint; those two are the most beginner friendly distros for people switching from Windows.
I would unironically shill EndeavorOS/Arch over Ubuntu simply because of apt and how beginners might stumble into having to add extra repos for different pieces of software
arch repos and AUR just have it all, and an optional AUR helper is very easy to install and start using
honestly I don't get how anyone can think installing arch is hard. literally just follow the fricking guide
And there's an installer now
Sometimes when i wanna install something i can see it on Aur page yet when i do pacman -S package name it says that package doesn't exist but if i do yay -S package name it works.
Why is this? What's the difference between yay and pacman?
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/AUR_helpers
yay is an aur helper and will search the aur for packages as well as the normal repos in pacman.conf
I know you already received plenty of answers but here's my exact experience as someone who has always wanted to switch:
Tried ubuntu several times over the years, something always broke really fast and it was a pain to use, went back to windows
Tried manjaro because morons were saying it was good for gaming, broke after 2 months, went back to windows
Valve announced the steam deck, I checked what type of distro they were using for it, it's Arch + KDE
So I googled my options and settled on EndeavourOS because it's Arch-based and doesn't do the stupid shit Manjaro does with updates that breaks everything, and because I was worried Arch itself would be too complicated
Been using Endeavour for a year with no issues, because it's Arch I get every new update as soon as I want (like, say, a day 2-3 patch to completely fix Elden Ring stuttering) and anything that affects me will affect SteamOS so Valve itself will be on it if nobody else
Does HDR work in Linux properly? I just got an HDR 1000 monitor and have been using Special K's HDR retrofit to make everything HDR which is quite nice.
afaik no, it hasn't been a focus for any of the devs
redhat hired some people to work on it so it's coming
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/SELinux
it isn't gaming related
They're all exactly the same. All that really matters is the desktop environment.
I think the other anon only mentioned it cause fedora defaults with it on
gaming fedora (nobara) must disable it
Just get Pop OS, Manjaro or Linux mint. The distro makes no difference as long as you don't get a minimal one like arch or gentoo that you have to DIY. Once you get used to it if you dont like something you can change distro later but you seem to be falling into a beginner trap of seeing distros as being a big choice with lots of pros and cons. Its not, pick one thats "just works" and general purpose and whatever you want to use your computer for will work fine
People who saying Steam os are lying btw, its not something designed to be used as a desktop
I'm a Linux user bytrade and daily drive it, but I use Windows for gaming and pretty much just that. Linux gaming is just too situational and complicated for no reason.
Why not just use WSL2?
frick off Nadella
>This looks expensive to repair, frick
That's the point, now you have to pay them to repair it instead of doing it yourself or paying a mechanic
The more I learn about technology and see how it's being used the more I sympathize with Ted
WHATS A GOOD LINUX OS THAT ALLOWS ME TO PLAY FF14 STEAM NATIVELY WITHOUT LEARNING HOW TO FRICKING CODE AND FIX EVERY SINGLE BROKEN CODE
AND NO, IM NOT INTERESTED IN INSTALLING ARCH AND IM RUNNING AN AMD RADEON MACHINE
GIVE ME A FRICKING ALTERNATIVE TO WINDOWS ALREADY. IM LOSING MY FRICKING MIND.
EndeavorOS so you don't realize you're installing Arch, silly
use latest mesa or mesa-git for AMD drivers
its that easy
arch has an installer
don't be scared it's just text on a screen it cant hurt you
yeah archinstall is really good. the only things that won't work ootb is bluetooth and printing but those are trivial.
>archinstall is very good
is it?
configuring the wifi is simple google search away. I did it as a linux newbie. You can do it too. If you are connected via ethernet it's not even an issue.
I installed arch manually as linux newbie just by reading through the fricking wiki, that is not indicative of anything
you underestimate how absolutely fricking moronic the average computer using moron is
The same moron that can't or won't configure the wifi is the same kind of moron who won't switch distros because they are too lazy/stupid. So it's moot.
>I installed arch manually as linux newbie just by reading through the fricking wiki, that is not indicative of anything
have you seen how long the installation guide for Arch fricking is? (https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/installation_guide)
im not interested in learning how to fricking code, I just want to move away from Windows, boot up my games in peace, and leave it fricking at that. I'm not interested in learning an entire new language just to install a god damm game. Recommend me an OS that works out of the box without acting like a smug moron with a tranime profile on their twitter page.
Then don't use Arch, just use Fedora or OpenSUSE
And will I have to install any bs just to play shit like Steam FF14?
I hope so, you're an obnoxious c**t
EndeavourOS is Arch with a more extremely-low-IQ-proof installer, which seems perfect for you since you seem to think copy pasting a few keywords in a terminal is "coding"
looks like a ruffled a few feathers.
don't forget your programming socks before you go back to using your shitty OS.
I'm not a programmer. You just think copy/pasting something is programming.
Dude, you're exactly the kind of consumer that is made for windows. Just keep using it, moron. lol
>arch users are confirmed attractive and outgoing
damn, guess im switching to linux
stay on windows
then why the frick are you installing arch then
>following basic instructions = learning code
if you're that moronic pretty sure there is like a 20 minute israelitetube video just for you
This is why I hated linux then and still do now
>you cant actually start doing anything until you make sure all these dependencies and configs are in place. Once that done, good luck spending hours trying to fix one little thing by googling the niche solution
Windows and Mac just fricking works
I installed linux and it just fricking worked and still does
Windows doesn't just fricking work, I have to configure it after install and reconfigure it after every update because it stealthily resets settings, I have to go into the registry to disable stupid shit, and even then I'm not allowed to modify anything that matters
Mac works because it doesn't let you do anything so it never has anything to fail at lol
>Windows doesn't just fricking work
This is a lie and always will be a lie, cuck
I don't care how much microsoft is paying you, windows is a piece of shit and is more and more unstable every time they release a new version. I know because I actually used it for longer than you've been alive and for more than just booting up epic and, ubisoft launcher, battle.net and/or origin to play the latest fotm in my friend group.
They pay me nothing, but Im wondering what linux cult got you pinned, homosexual 🙂
oh wait you do it for free
BMW is now selling heated seats as a subscription.
My "cult" was trying it one day and realizing it's better in pretty much every way conceivable for my use case, which is 95% intense gaming. Something you're too stupid to even do. Won't be replying further, don't want to lose any braincells reading your posts.
windows:
>run installer
>don't like (insert thing) about operating system
>try your best screwing around with third party software and the registry
>give up
linux:
>run installer
>don't like (insert thing)
>uninstall and replace it
so basically you got filtered by your own computer?
reddit Black person meme. also filtered.
>reddit Black person meme. also filtered.
you never denied the pic homosexual
Well your girlfriend is closed source and cheats on you with TrustedInstaller!
>Tesla
>Cant perform basic functions without using the pre-installed ipad
>Subscription services for functions that should be ready to use
>Heavy as FUARK, shit cars that cant drive on nice roads well
>Battery degredation will ruin the whole vehicle, removing savings for fuel
>Cant fix it yourself
Cringe
>Used golf
>Small, fast, can corner well
>Simple mechanics and easily fixed
>Tons of parts that can be installed to make it FAST
>Cheap to purchase and run
>Can find manuals online for free
based
Honestly, I'd drive a car like that.
you can find that at your local junkyard
I know right? It looks dope
it also tends to just brick by itself
nobody uses windows anything for servers
where is that even from? i think archinstall does it. if it doesn't, iwctl works. i think the welcome message even tells you about it.
https://www.protondb.com/app/39210
so FF14 is supported by steam's proton, which means it shouldn't have any problem running on linux. so just install debian stable and you're good homie. don't listen to arch gays they have terminal autism
>don't listen to people telling you to install distros with the latest updates for gaming
>install the distros that purposefully stays years behind instead
Mental illness
years behind? idk bro, looks alright to me.
I accidentally deleted part of my post before sending it, because I'm a stupid person. I was trying to ask if the game has a source port or if the guy just doesn't know what "natively" means.
"natively" as in, being able to install the game on any OS without having to install other bullshit, wrestle with software code or other dumb bullshit just to open the fricking game.
If it's available only as a Windows executable, then one way or another you will have to install Wine, which qualifies as "other bullshit" in my opinion (though you may already have it installed).
Linux is responsible for giving Microsoft new Windows users everyday.
That doesn't make any sense.
It works though.
Every fricking OS now is cancer. What a great future.
W10 for main stuff
WSL2 for having an easy VM to test stuff and use Unix only programs/tools
Simple as
videogames
There's no reason to use anything but fedora, it's perfect
Windows Users should look to MINT
Mint is fine for light browsing, but dogshit for games. Recommend another distro, please.
I got mine to work really well with games. I just had to install the latest linux kernel(dunno why mint didn't do that for me), wineHQ, bing bang boom it's all good
Didn't work on my machine. What system were you using?
linux users are gays and always will be
Is it possible to customize a Linux installation into providing a user experience equivalent of Cruelty Squad?
there's a lot of old wms with these really gaudy themes
try to find old linux screenshots for inspiration
definitely. a retro desktop enviroment like NsCDE, some widgets and change up the colours and theme to your liking
There are going to be headaches migrating to Linux. It's unavoidable. There will be some things that need to be worked out and troubleshooted, but once you got it all working, the experience is much better.
For instance, I have updates set to check once every 14 days. I don't have a system that pesters me to update so goddamn often and Mint isn't spamming me with nonsense or putting ads in my start menu
>install this OS that is still a work in progress bro
I believe its a good OS, but I'm not gonna use it until their homepage is at least finished.
Any other OS? Its a tie between Fedora and Debian for me so far.
>their homepage isnt even finished
which distro has the least amount of BLOAT?
I tried arch and following a guide and it still installed shitload of apps I don't need
did you install plasma-meta?
y-yes...
that'd be why
>Install the plasma-meta meta-package or the plasma group. For differences between plasma-meta and plasma reference Package group. Alternatively, for a more minimal Plasma installation, install the plasma-desktop package.
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/KDE
should've installed plasma-desktop
CRINGE!
if you want the "plasma experience" all the extra software can be handy
full fat plasma is honestly pretty lightweight, I used it initially on my laptop in college before I went to i3
plasma-meta is ok. it's the applications shit that you REALLY don't need.
Linux from scratch
Gentoo
https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/any/plasma-meta/
yeah, meta comes with the bare minimum for a functional DE.
Interesting
I really wish it was based on Arch instead, I don't think I can give up the AUR
Didn't have any problems after installing endeavour coming from windows, didn't even bother keeping windows I just formatted the entire PC
you can just read the list of what nobara has and install what you want from it anyway on any distro
its just a premade iso in the vein of SteamOS, really
I'm on KDE Plasma. Still looking to take the DWM-pill, but not quite there yet.
you can always install dwm (or any DE) and just switch sessions at your login screen (display manager)
I thought you could only choose between xorg and wayland on login. I used to switch by disabling/enabling services at runtime, but that seemed clunky
plasma has a wayland and xorg session, but any other DE sessions you install will show up in that same list
no need to toggle services since SDDM or w/e you use should just have it populate the dropdown list
Neat.
I didn't have the shortcut to open a terminal so I had to reboot from TTY2 but it werks. Funny because I used i3 for a short time at some point and I had a decent idea of how to get by. I'll look at it someday.
i3 has been by go-to for ~6+ years
comfy
Thanks. I'm a big fan of "bad on purpose" things. This is what I've made my install of Chance look like.
>it reminds me of Web 1.0 when we could actually customize what we did more
Wasn't the who point of moving to Web 2.0 adding user interaction? I don't understand. Unless you mean how standardized CSS stuff has become, but you don't have to use it for your own website if you don't want to.
I played Tetris, Mupen64, and Dota 2.
After about 3 months I realized that I was 100% dependent on strangers on obscure forums for updates and bug fixes. I'll probably switch over again before using Windows 11. I just hate relying entirely on furrycumlord9000 on the forums to give me terminal commands to get things to run
>just hate relying entirely on furrycumlord9000 on the forums to give me terminal commands to get things to run
Thats why I use Windows. Linux is best for small services
> I just hate relying entirely on furrycumlord9000 on the forums to give me terminal commands to get things to run
accurately captures why Linux won't become an alternative to Windows anytime soon. Its just too much bullshit for the most simple shit and there's hardly any payoff.
having gone through osx, windows, and linux for many, many years I can very confidently say that linux is hands-down the best experience for me
decades of computer usage and this is where I've ended up
What the hell do you need furrycumlord9000 for
What is the Visual Studio 2022 alternative for Linux? CLion? I need a proper IDE for sepples development including gamedev and graphics.
The fundamental issue with Linux is that it's for hobbyists. It assumes the average user is willing to read the manual, google around for solutions, or in general actually give a shit about learning how to use their computer. But the average user these days is a braindead moron who can barely operate a smartphone, let alone a shell.
I don't understand why people even want Linux to "take over" when the only way it ever could is by sacrificing everything that makes it Linux to satisfy the general populace.
>I don't understand why people even want Linux to "take over"
less Microsoft is a good thing for everyone
There are dumbed down distros for such people
I guarantee you that "such people" would still be confused by your dumbed down distros.
"such people" just need a browser
thats it
this isn't rocket science dude
>I'm going to ignore your point entirely and declare victory!
Every time. See you next thread.
not even the same anon, schizo
I want all my games to just work and that's it.
which games? protondb is a good resource to check
Not just games. Any application in general. There has not been a single app I can think of that works on Linux "just fine" compared to Windows.
what applications do you use
there are distros that are basically identical to mac and mac is even more moron friendly than windows
Gamers have never touched MacOS
but gamers are not the kind of people we're talking about
we talk about brain-dead moronic office rats that bare understand what a kam-pu-tor even is
Office rats need to be trained how to open a start menu and use a web interface
>have session auto launch browser
>have a dock with browser icon in it
>start menu with browser in it
CHOOSE YOUR WEAPON
>bare
barely*
I use Ubuntu + Cinnamon Desktop. It's essentially windows, but with more customization and without the moronic bloat. Your distro hardly matters, it just depends on what you want. If you aren't sure, go for a popular distro like Ubuntu and install the LTS. You'll have the best version compatibility with most Linux software.
That's a very good looking file explored. Reminds me of Aseprite.
You don't, on Windows you just cry and b***h long enough on Twitter until it gets fixed for you. Or return it to the store and buy something more idiot-proof.
I just want to use my applications I configured perfectly to my needs over all those years. Linux has only shitty alternatives and win10 is gay. I don't even care about win10 games. I hate being forced to downgrade.
This thread is 50% one guy being paid to promote windows and 50% people trying to discuss linux while that guy responds to himself and the morons who fall for his shill campaign over and over
Who would the windows guy be?
>in truth, it's actually one guy for linux and everyone else who uses windows like normal people
Actually nevermind it's more 80% and 20% respectively
Gee I wonder who it could be!
Surely not the guy acting all shocked and innocent after being called out
Closing this dumbass tab lmao
No, seriously.
How's linux gaming without steam?
Is it possible to game properly in linux without steam support and how will a noob/newbie linux user be able to do that if possible?
I don't like steam at all and use their services after what they have done to my previous account and thus I refuse to use steam out of spite
Just use Lutris, you can also read the install scripts to figure out how to prepare the prefix manually if you prefer it
I will preface this by saying that I've never given Epic a dime. I use Heroic Games Launcher to play all the free games I've claimed from Epic. Also works with your GOG library. It automatically configures them with Proton too
It actually uses Proton? I've heard from multiple sources that Proton is for Steam and using it outside of Steam isn't recommended. Even the Proton GE dev recommends using Wine GE for non-Steam purposes.
see pic
it has never deleted my save. I use the app image and it prompts me when there's an update available
>see pic
hm, interesting. I mean, if it works, it works...
Here's what I was referring to, though.
dont use proton-GE, use wine-GE
the creator doesnt recommend it
i know heroic also has an rpm package, but if the appimage auto updates i might gow ith that
does this still delete your saves?
does it update itself or will i have to install it everytime there is a new release
does HGL not support W7?
>install and launch
>nothing happens
>3 Heroic.exe in task manager with 0 resource usage outside of a few Mb of ram
Linux Mint is waiting for you, anon-kun
yeah I'm jumping ship once I get the money to upgrade. No point configuring a whole new desktop on a broken motherboard with a 10 year old cpu
Yes. In fact, I use Steam to pirate games and stream them to a laptop.
I don't use steam except as a store to download game that I bought (removing drm after downloading them of course).
I just manage my wine prefix manually, proton and all that shit is bloat.
You can't let Windows go? Zorin OS.
Want something Linux-y but noob friendly? EndeavourOS.
>Install shadow warrior 2 from lutris (GOG)
>Install process exits with code 256 in install script
>Retry
>Lutris cant detect install files and needs to redownload the game
>Install successful
>Launch game
>Blackscreen, only see game cursor
>Reboot into Windows
>GRUB has destroyed MBR on my separate Windows disk
Thanks Linus
all threads above are Black person tier threads. read on.
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There are basically only two distros to get, unless you don't mind building a PC entirely around your OS. I won't mention what is at tech-god tier,
but I will mention these:
>Artix Linux
https://artixlinux.org/
OpenRC fork of Arch. Was designed with security and ease-of-use. This is the one to switch to if you don't have enough time to learn computers again.
OpenRC is the only upgrade from SysV, which what SystemD pretended to be. OpenRC is backwards compatible with SysV, so very easy and pleasant transition
from older distros. Artix is relatively new, but should be decent given the quality of Arch. The divergence between Arch and Artix is rather large
now though, and will only increase as the systemd virus further takes over the official Arch distro.
>Gentoo
https://gentoo.org/
Designed for high security and performance. Often call a meta-distro because it is extremely customizable. It will give the best performance
on your hardware of any OS possible because every installation is custom to your system. Gentoo has a team with a proven track record.
The only downside is the steep learning curve, but once you learn, it is the most powerful and efficient distro. You can do movie-like wizardry
once you learn to use it.
There are effectively no other modern, desktop distros that will work on most hardware. Hardened kernel and OpenRC are needed.
There is no compromise with SystemD, as that is the most blatant Deep State backdoor added to any software ever.
You might as well have official Windows malware on your system, as that is where much of the funding to create/promote it came from.
tl;dr - systemd distros have nsa backdoors. you can stay on winblowz if you use these.
yes and yes.
Black person these are the ONLY 2 secure linux distros out there, if you want real secure you need freebsd or even better, tails os
lmao using tails instead of whonix as a reference for a secure OS