But they undoubtedly do all of those things, but most literature doesn't bother meticulously documenting all of it. The reason being, 80-90% of religious figures, be they for the Imperial Cult or the Mechanicum dogma, are so particularly local to whatever region of the vast territory of the Imperium, that they are not relevant to the grander scheme of the setting. You can just assume that the populace carries on celebrating whatever relevant local saints or holidays they have independent of whatever narrative is occurring.
Remember to apply for your breeding permit. The holiest duty to a citizen in the Imperium of Man is making more of them. Only the most pious and gifted of all workers will granted permission for this holy quest.
They tell us the size of a space marine's shriveled ball sack so the definitely would tell us if there were holidays. They don't so there are none. Celebrating anything but the empower probably would instantly cause a psi storm and kill billions or something.
The Imperium has obviously Catholic-inspired ritual on a ridiculous scale 10,000 grander than anything ever actually done by humans. OP is completely right and it has been so sad to see a wonderful grandiose and absurb setting taken down to "reasonable" and "heroic" levels by a bunch of fedora-tipping atheists who couldn't get their original sci-fi and fantasy novels published. What a shame.
No it doesn't it's not catholic or even abrahamic it's a clean break with christianity with a gap of tens of thousands of years.
You people are insanely stupid
Bruh are you really going to argue nothing about the Ecclesiarchy or Sisters of Battle has taken inspiration from Catholicism? Am I speaking to an American here, maybe this is a Yuropan thing and so it's not obvious to you.
Its an aesthetic because gothic shit is cool. You are looking at the superficial and extrapolating thats its "catholic" or trying to be. Rather than it being its own thing.
It's comical Nazi Space Catholicism and you being annoyed at that doesn't change the inspiration. The only reason GW's stepped back from the absurdity in the OP tweet is because they're now concentrating on shilling a good guys vs bad guys superhero narrative with the primarchs. Well I hate logic and reason in 40k, and I love stupid and crippling hyper-religious mania.
You are probably a weirdo prot IRL and have deep issues with catholicism, whereas I am not religious at all and can therefore enjoy the insanity.
Thats hilarious you think the Admech are christians? The Machine God is God
Thats not true anyway.
The Omnissiah is the Machine God and they were forced into compromising with the Imperium that the Emperor is the Omnissiah
You realize that the entire concession of the God Emperor being the Omnissiah is a reflection of the israeli debate over whether Jesus is the Messiah? Like fricking hell dude learn some theology
5 months ago
Anonymous
no the concession is because the Imperium would have nuked them if they didn't acknowledge the Omnissiah is the Emperor
>You people are insanely stupid
t. the dysfunctionally autistic moron that interpets everything in the most literalist fashion possible
You are low iq if you think thats what im doing im literally mocking people that think The Imperium is LITERALLY christian
5 months ago
Anonymous
>im literally mocking people that think The Imperium is LITERALLY christian
Those people exist in your head, you're screaming at your own demented thoughts
5 months ago
Anonymous
>You are low iq if you think thats what im doing im literally mocking people that think The Imperium is LITERALLY christian
you're so moronic you have to invent people in order to have somebody to feel superior to
if I ever get an acquired brain injury and reach this low point I hope one of my family members smothers me with a pillow while I'm asleep
5 months ago
Anonymous
stfu moron. Your kind can stand be mocked because of your fragile egos.
Say a stupid thing get mocked.
Half wit.
5 months ago
Anonymous
can't*
5 months ago
Anonymous
to* while you're at it
nobody thinks the imperium is """"literally christian""""" dumbass
5 months ago
Anonymous
Shut up you fricking stupid c**t.
5 months ago
Anonymous
to be this openly livid you must be mentally unwell as well as stupid
completely unsurprising tbh
5 months ago
Anonymous
I can do this all day moron. im not livid at all, im full of low blood pressure pills
Laughing at your life you c**t.
You really think you can come on the internet and gas light people, the only reason is because theres a screen inbetween me and you stopping me from breaking your neck and stomping on your head.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>I can do this all day
I'm sure you can, you're almost certainly on the disability pensionthyt4
>wonderful grandiose and absurb setting taken down to "reasonable" and "heroic" levels by a bunch of fedora-tipping atheists who couldn't get their original sci-fi and fantasy novels published. What a shame.
Are you fricking high?
Yep. They’re inspired by Catholicism. They have saints.
And they just don’t have feast days. See how simple it is? Taking a bunch of parts of something doesn’t mean there is no end to it. By that logic they also worship baby jebus.
This anon put it best if that can’t quell your raging autism:
Working the foundry 25 hours a day, 8 days a week IS a holy duty in the Imperium. Every day is a feast day and the feast is forced labor flavored.
I don’t know who you think I am. That was my first post in the thread. I can see you’re in the midst of an autistic meltie and there’s no getting through to you. I’ll leave you to it.
Remind me anon what the dominant religion in Dune is, I seem to remember something along the lines of the Orange Catholic Bible being the primary holy text.
No there isnt gay, the question has been debated, stop fricking lying.
The word appears to be a corruption of the original title "Koranjiyana" which if said quickly sounds like the word "Orange".
In this context, this doesn't refer (directly) to the Catholic faith but rather its common meaning, "encompassing everything".
In early fragments of his memoirs, Bertoli [a contemporary in-universe commentator] refers to it as the Koranjiyana Zenchristian Scriptures, or as the Zenchristian Navakoran, but after the fourth year it seems to be settled in his mind, at least, that Orange Catholic Bible was to be the name. We must suppose that a day or a week was given over to settling what may have become a matter of embarrassing dispute. The terms "orange" and "catholic" do, however, seem to have established themselves as reflecting the more innovative and rational as opposed to the more conservative and traditional schools of thought, sometimes being used quite lightly, if we may judge by odd remarks of Bertoli—"what a delightfully pompous catholic statement," "Catholic to a See," "utterly Orange is the only word to describe that nonsense," "for an Orange, that little acolyte of Bruin's is quite a peach," "all of those oranges are bananas"—remarks not at all clear to us now, but some were clearly meant as witticisms. The origin of the term Orange as applied to a religious sectarian is now obscure but its religious significance is so overwhelming nowadays that few remember it as the ancient name of a fruit now called portyguls.
You irish moronic c**t
I think you may have autism, because what you're implying has no basis in reality. Unless you've been LARPing as an imperial citizen this entire thread, you're clearly mistaken as to what everyone else has been poking fun at.
I think you may be intellectually disabled and calling everyone and everything that upsets you autism makes you a c**t.
It's called the "Orange Catholic Bible" to hallmark the unification of faiths. Orange is the color of Irish protestantism. Protestants and catholics, notoriously divided factions of christianity, united again. And the text is implied to not only be a unification of christian sects, but a mass incorporation of all religions into one faith that has identified some core belief structure within all faiths.
The Imperium has obviously Catholic-inspired ritual on a ridiculous scale 10,000 grander than anything ever actually done by humans. OP is completely right and it has been so sad to see a wonderful grandiose and absurb setting taken down to "reasonable" and "heroic" levels by a bunch of fedora-tipping atheists who couldn't get their original sci-fi and fantasy novels published. What a shame.
The Emperor is all but directly stated to have been a church apostate. If anything, he'd want his followers to have little as possible to do with his Old Boss, which was what the Imperial Truth was all about.
Yeah, but he still was a follower of the guy they nailed on a stick for a while once he came. Even if they'll never elaborate on that point of the Emperor's life, it's not hard to figure that he designed many of his buildings with a nostalgia for what he left behind. When the Emperor manifests warp beings of order like the Imperious, he gives them distinctively angelic motifs.
The Emps seems to have designed his empire after pre-Christian Rome, the medieval aesthetic developed after his 'death' as a sort of degeneration. Angels predate christianity eg Valkyrie, Judaism etc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_(mythology)
And the Imperial Truth has been almost completely erased from history in favor of a religion that was created by the guy who was pretty much 100% responsible for the Horus Heresy. What's your point?
So this guy absolutely made this thread so he could argue with himself into he baited people into arguing with him about how all the nuns, gothic churches, martydom, and church ranks had no inspiration from the irl church right?
the imperium is quite literally a bunch of british nerds making fun of catholicism/european christianity. The Cult of the Emperor is just thinly veiled Catholicism; it functions in every way that the Catholic Church does or has in the past. The different chapters and organizations function relative to how other cultures have taken the primary Pre-Schism Christian Church and ran with it. For example, the Black Templar are literally Space Baptists.
It's not subtle, but I could understand how it would be easy to miss for those who didnt go to CCD.
the cult of the Emperor is literally the Emperor from Dune.
Christgays do not worship an Emperor.
The chapters are knightly orders that do not acknowledge the Imperium's religion, they don't even like the Imperium, they consider themselves apart from it and are independent.
The Space marines are still operating under the Imperial truth not the creed.
So its completely different.
>a multitude of saints >worship of a martyred messiah >nuns (with guns) >monks (with guns) >a massive societal focus on sin and penance >literally everything is designed to look like a cathedral >corrupt clergy >crusades >inquisition >confessors
Bro people have been calling them catholic space nazis for more than 10 years. Look at the archive! That title edit was made the same year dark heresy came out. That was before /misc/ was even a thing. It was before /new/ was even a thing!
No one cares. People could call them bronies, it doesn't mean its true.
I know right? Incense burning, praying, candle lighting, organ playing, Latin chanting, nuns and templars who pray to their god in elaborate rituals and erect cathedrals filled with religious imagery is nothing at all like any religion that exists today.
>christians are the only people that do these things
Again you look at the surface and make stupid statements
Having Saints doesn't make you catholic or festivals and ceremonies. laughable
This is copium
5 months ago
Anonymous
you are an extremely dumb person
5 months ago
Anonymous
And you're in denial
5 months ago
Anonymous
You are in denial. Why do you want them to be christian so bad when they are not? so you can perpetuate hate?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody is arguing they are literally christian lmao.
5 months ago
Anonymous
that is what is being said, to the point op is wondering why they don't adhere to catholic tradition.
Which makes mo sense as they aren't christian >but dey make cathedrals and dey look kinda like stuff ive seen
Insane how small ignorant some peopke are
5 months ago
Anonymous
i wanna hear this, this is gonna be funny: what IS the imperium's religious aesthetic inspired by, angry anon?
5 months ago
Anonymous
since when does an aesthetic make a thing the actual thing?
Merely resembling a thing doesn't make the thing the same thing, you mong.
5 months ago
Anonymous
What a non-sequitur, can you not answer a simple question?
What religion is it inspired by?
5 months ago
Anonymous
you seem to have difficulty understanding when a question is being posed to you, so here's one in image format that you might be able to read 🙂
5 months ago
Anonymous
>You are in denial
About what? The fact that the Imperium of Man has obvious inspiration from the Catholic Church? >Why do you want them to be christian so bad when they are not
I don't. Are you a middle schooler who just entered his edgy atheist phase?
I know right? Incense burning, praying, candle lighting, organ playing, Latin chanting, nuns and templars who pray to their god in elaborate rituals and erect cathedrals filled with religious imagery is nothing at all like any religion that exists today.
I KNOW! What kind of moron would look at an image like this and think it was in anyway inspired by a catholic religious organization?
5 months ago
Anonymous
i love the Black Non-Denominational Religious Militant Organization, coolest chapter
5 months ago
Anonymous
Personally, I love the Armageddon Ambiguously-Central-European Tank-based Desert Warefare Legion. Look at their helmets, it's so original, I've never seen anything like that before.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Cool conversion of the vet guard KT to steel legion I saw, I keep meaning to get around to trying it. Chem-dogs would be even cooler ofc.
There are some shocking uncritical thinkers in this thread. Everyone knows that the Imperium has no inspiration from Catholicism or 20th century extremist politics. Anyway, which faction has a cooler moral figures? The Black Templars chaplains, or the Dark Angels chaplains? Honorable mention to the Commissars of both the Death Korp of Krieg and Armageddon Steel Legion, as well as the Ecclesiastical Sororitas.
op people like you that think you can have a one sided opinion and everyone else that proves you are wrong should be silenced, should be taken out back and shot
>It can't be both
The Imperium is supposed to be as backwards as it its forwards, and filled with contradictory laws and orders due to many different offices, both secular and religious, overriding each other.
It be perfectly in-character for serfs to be outfitted with cybernetics that allow them to work at the factories without sleep, and shock their system with unbearable pain if they stop working, while ALSO demanding they stop working to observe religious catechisms and saintly rites. Those who foam at the mouth from the pain, or escape it by continuing to work during these holy observances, are then branded heretics, and depending on the severity of their heresy, are either shot and killed on the spot, or converted to servitors.
40k is all about grimderp: being so depressing, gruesome, and downright awful, that it loops back around to being funny.
you love ad hominem. You have been so throughly btfo in this thread.
My favourite response from you is posting a picture you edited 20 years ago as proof
Exactly. The Imperium might have prayers, saints, angels, crosses, and religious ceremonies, but they are certainly not remotely related to catholic tradition, and they certainly do not have religious ceremonies!
what crosses? the cross in Imperium is a skull. Saints and Angels are not exclusively christian or religious ceremonies.
Theres no link to the Imperial cult and Christhomosexualry.
>Saints in English has become a generic word applicable to non-christian religions
Says who? Your moronic ass?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>While the English word saint originated in Christianity, historians of religion tend to use the appellation "in a more general way to refer to the state of special holiness that many religions attribute to certain people", referring to the israeli ḥasīd or tzadik, the Islamic walī, the Hindu rishi or Sikh Bhagat and guru, the Shintoist kami, the Taoist shengren, and the Buddhist arhat or bodhisattva also as saints.[3][4] Depending on the religion, saints are recognized either by official ecclesiastical declaration, as in the Catholic faith, or by popular acclamation (see folk saint).[5]
oh no no catholic is a moron
5 months ago
Anonymous
>historians of religion tend to use the appellation "in a more general way to refer to the state of special holiness that many religions attribute to certain people", referring to the israeli ḥasīd or tzadik, the Islamic walī, the Hindu rishi or Sikh Bhagat and guru, the Shintoist kami, the Taoist shengren, and the Buddhist arhat or bodhisattva also as saints
Note how none of those terms aren't sainthood. "Historians of religion" are just lazy fricks using a Christian term to make vaguely-similar positions understandable to uneducated audiences that barely even know Christianity. A guru or bodhisattva is very different from a saont both in theology and in translation.
5 months ago
Anonymous
the Imperium is more reminiscent of Buddhism and Hinduism in practice than Christianity and no gothic architecture is not proof its Christian.
Christians do not worship an Emperor on a throne.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Christians do not worship an Emperor on a throne.
No, they worship a King on a cross.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Imperium is more reminiscent of Buddhism and Hinduism in practice than Christianity
How so
5 months ago
Anonymous
The Imperium isn't Hindu, and therefore shares no religious practices with Hinduism
5 months ago
Anonymous
Just like its not Christian. Thanks for agreeing
And I accept your confession of moronation. May the Emperor protect you.
you lost hard moron
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Just like its not Christian. Thanks for agreeing
Exactly. Nobody in the Imperium prays, because that's a real life religious practice.
5 months ago
Anonymous
praying isn't exclusively christian.
5 months ago
Anonymous
And where did I say it was?
5 months ago
Anonymous
you are malding, complete moron
5 months ago
Anonymous
I was agreeing with you though? The Imperium isn't Hindu or Christian, and therefore does not share any religious practices with them.
Why wouldn't that include prayer?
5 months ago
Anonymous
prayer isnt exclusive to any religion? You are trying to be smart but saying moronic things
5 months ago
Anonymous
>prayer isnt exclusive to any religion?
Well, neither are feasts or religious celebrations, but clearly the Imperium can't have those either because that's too close to Catholicism.
Wasn't that the point you were making?
5 months ago
Anonymous
So you understand a religion can have traditions and not be another religion
Essentially you are trying to say one tribe eats so another tribe eats on the other side of the world is the same tribe.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Oh, I understand now. So the Imperium can have its own feasts and celebrations for its own religion, without those needing to specifically be related to a real life religion like Hindu or Catholocism.
I suppose to get the thread slightly back on topic then, what Imperial solemnities and Imperial saints' days do you think regularly interrupt operations on Imperium worlds?
5 months ago
Anonymous
why would they interrupt?
5 months ago
Anonymous
Why wouldn't they? The Imperium is vast and spans a wide variety of worlds after all, and even worship of the Emperor is known to vary in its exact practices from system to system.
The mere fact it's a festival or celebration would certainly imply some change in day-to-day activities.
5 months ago
Anonymous
because its not catholic? why would servitors stop work they arent treated as people.
Have you considered they continue working even when theres a religious procession
5 months ago
Anonymous
>because its not catholic?
And? As we established, the Imperium can have its own feasts and celebrations without them being catholic. What catholics do doesn't really have any bearing on it. >Have you considered they continue working even when theres a religious procession
A religious procession of who? People who aren't working?
5 months ago
Anonymous
If the premise is Catholics have a day off for a Saint. That doesnt apply to the Imperium.
The Imperium has so many Saints they'd never work.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>If the premise is Catholics have a day off for a Saint. That doesnt apply to the Imperium. >The Imperium has so many Saints they'd never work.
And? As we've established, the Imperium can have its own feasts and celebrations without them being catholic.
The Imperium can also have its own holidays and days off without them being catholic either.
5 months ago
Anonymous
yes but the premise that they will do what catholics do is wrong, since its not catholic.
Do you know what a celebration or a feast is? In a religious sense anyway? I'm honestly asking, google will not give you the right answer.
none of it is catholic,
5 months ago
Anonymous
>none of it is catholic
Cool, anyway:
Do you know what a celebration or a feast is? In a religious sense anyway? I'm honestly asking, google will not give you the right answer.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>yes but the premise that they will do what catholics do is wrong, since its not catholic.
We've already been over this. Imperials pray, just like many other real-life religions.
The Imperium is clearly not forbidden from their religious practices resembling real-life religious practices. The Imperium having a similar religious practice does not mean that the Imperium is now the religious practice.
What Catholicism does has no bearing. Catholics praying does not mean the Imperium is forbidden from also praying.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Exactly so they dont behave like catholics. So they wont pray like a catholic or adhere to Saint day celebrations like a catholic,
5 months ago
Anonymous
>So they wont pray like a catholic or adhere to Saint day celebrations like a catholic
Sure. And as we've established, the Imperium can also have its own holidays and days off without them being catholic either.
This anon
If there's anything I hate, it's dumbasses who act like they know what they're talking about without doing any research on the topic. Pic related. The Imperium has plenty of holidays and besides a few major ones, depend significantly on where you live.
gave a few excellent examples of canon Imperial holidays, and it even notes within the Festival of Saints that many saints have their own holy days. The Imperium is clearly capable of having such celebrations without being catholic.
5 months ago
Anonymous
If the premise is Catholics have a day off for a Saint. That doesnt apply to the Imperium.
The Imperium has so many Saints they'd never work.
See
If there's anything I hate, it's dumbasses who act like they know what they're talking about without doing any research on the topic. Pic related. The Imperium has plenty of holidays and besides a few major ones, depend significantly on where you live.
Sectors have a "Major" Saint for specific worship, and then they have the "Festival of Saints" which is an all-encompassing thing to worship all Saints such as Solar Macharius.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Emperor on a throne
You're right, there's never any mention of God sitting on a throne ruling the universe. Just like how's there's no parallel between God's son willing and knowing sacrificing himself to save humanity.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Stfu you moron catholic
Thanks for the your concession, coward.
you aren't doing your faith any credit you lying piece of shit
5 months ago
Anonymous
>you aren't doing your faith any credit
The thing makes this all even more hilarious is that I'm not a catholic. You're just a full blown schizo.
5 months ago
Anonymous
neither am i you moron so what are you doing?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>so what are you doing?
Farming a lolcow who started sperging about Catholicism out of nowhere and continues to go off the rails.
5 months ago
Anonymous
A few of us are Catholic thanks, just chill
5 months ago
Anonymous
don't care what you are butthole
>so what are you doing?
Farming a lolcow who started sperging about Catholicism out of nowhere and continues to go off the rails.
So its yet again a farms homosexual who thinks he farming a lolcow,
What if i said you are the lolcow? because of yojr obsession with catholics and 40k
5 months ago
Anonymous
>What if i said you are the lolcow? because of yojr obsession with catholics and 40k >n-no U!
Keep 'em coming. Your seething is starting to leak into your formatting now.
the Imperium is Catholic even if it's not christian; Catholic means "universal" or "all-encompassing" and the Church of Rome choosing to refer to themselves as Catholic was a very specific political statement (made in the context of the schism with Constantinople) that the Imperium also subscribes to completely.
>what crosses? the cross in Imperium is a skull
You're right, I've never seen a single cross anywhere in the Imperium. That settles it boys, they are not inspired by catholicism after all.
The fact is that the Imperium is a combination of the Roman era Imperial Cult (which is to say, the deification of Roman Emperors) and stereotypical Medieval Europe.
Yeah, honestly. Nu40k needs to stop putting crosses everywhere.
5 months ago
Anonymous
different kind of cross and still not christian.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Is this cross better for you?
5 months ago
Anonymous
when people say cross they mean the crucifixion cross. Thats a very clear symbol. Just crosses are not a christian symbol.
And Imperials let alone marines do not worship Jesus.
I have no idea why cretins like you who post things as if you are making epic gotchas completely without context think you are smart,
5 months ago
Anonymous
I never said they worshipped Jesus, did I?
5 months ago
Anonymous
You implied it
5 months ago
Anonymous
Can you back your statement up at all? >pro tip: you can't
5 months ago
Anonymous
The implication from you was 40k has crosses and it implies the worship of Jesus Christ
The crosses in 40k do not symbolise Jesus Christ or in fact have any religious connotation at all.
5 months ago
Anonymous
I think you may have autism, because what you're implying has no basis in reality. Unless you've been LARPing as an imperial citizen this entire thread, you're clearly mistaken as to what everyone else has been poking fun at.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You do know both of those cross designs are just variants of the christian cross symbol?
5 months ago
Anonymous
>when people say cross they mean the crucifixion cross
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_cross_variants
It's pretty close to pic related (or the Cross of Saint Julian) that the inspiration is clear.
I don't mean to interrupt but >Adeptus Mechanicus doesn't seem to conduct Sacred Server Maintenance every 14 solar cycles or celebrate the solemnity of Turning Everything Off and Back On Again
they do, it's just obfuscated with rites and prayers and nobody understands functionally WHAT the ritual every 14 cycles does but it works.
The trolling was obvious from the moment he started sperging about catholics with 0 mention of them at all.
It has been hilarious to watch him try and handwave away any and all religious elements of the Imperium though.
why are you such a coward? what was said that was wrong? Why do you hate facts?
The trolling was obvious from the moment he started sperging about catholics with 0 mention of them at all.
It has been hilarious to watch him try and handwave away any and all religious elements of the Imperium though.
the ops post is clearly referring to catholicism and the subsequent replies by you clearly indicate its about catholic adherence.
Yet the Imperium is not catholic or even christian.
Do you think you really can get away with this sort of childish behaviour irl?
Where you just stamp your feet and insist up is down.
stop lying you aren't impressing anyone you mental case.
>Christians do not worship an Emperor on a throne.
No, they worship a King on a cross.
which is not what the Imperium worships. I accept your concession.
5 months ago
Anonymous
And I accept your confession of moronation. May the Emperor protect you.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>stop lying you aren't impressing anyone you mental case.
Why are you such a coward? If I'm lying, it should be easy to prove me wrong by pointing to what part of the OP was clearly referring to Catholicism to make you sperg out like this.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>gets btfo itt falsely claiming the Imperium is Christian
Lie lie al you want you are still wrong.
The Imperial Creed isn't based on the Imperial Truth. It was started by the writings of the XVII Primarch Lorgar and his Lectitio Divinatus and it supplanted the atheistic Imperial Truth after being actively suppressed by the Emperor.
It should be noted that the Ecclesiarchy does not have legal authority to kill or in any way persecute people who follow the Imperial Truth. Despite the prominence of the moronic Lorgar cult, it is not the official religion of the IoM and the Emperor does not support it. While it may be fairly rare, the authentic religious position of the Emperor, the Lord Commander Guilliman, and thus the Imperial government, is that Emperor worship is wrong and the Ecclesiarchy is an illegitimate institution which saps state authority to spread treacherous lies.
5 months ago
Anonymous
the only organisation not in the Imperium hierarchy are the space marines and the ad mech.
Ad mech are another empire hence the two headed Eagle.
The marines are independent city states.
The church is under the Imperium.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Wrong, the Imperium's official religion, which is also the religion of its head of state, the Emperor, and head of government, Guilliman, as well as of all loyalist Astartes, is the Imperial Truth. The Emperor would have every single abetter of the Ecclesiarchy tortured to death for high treason, to say nothing of what he'd do to traitor Astartes like the Black Templars. There is no universe in which the Ecclesiarchy has legitimate state authority under the discretion of the Emperor or Lord Commander, it is essentially a widespread heresy that has been treated as heterodox to the official atheistic religion of the IoM due to power struggles and political corruption but there is zero chance at all that it has genuine legal status as anything other than a crime.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Guilliman differs in his Dark Imperium novel
5 months ago
Anonymous
Hardly, it's just bad writers trying to make fanon canon. Guilliman fully understands the irrational nature of worshiping Warp xenos, he just wants to more perfectly critique the homosexualy traitor text written by his homosexual "brother". The Emperor is not a divine being, he is merely a powerful gestalt psyker, and Guilliman knows as much, Dark Imperium does nothing to disprove it, it just makes him consider what that means, in terms of the scale of his gene father's power, specifically his ability to hold conversations and act at what appear to be two different periods of time, simultaneously. A strange ability but hardly unprecedented or beyond understanding. I hate you people who foam at the mouth for simply stating the truth, that the Warp xenos colloquially referred to as 'daemons' are just a normal, natural part of the ecosystem of another dimension of physical space. To treat them as divine is such a mind numbingly, willfully ignorant thing to proclaim, when there isn't one single facet of their existence that requires this.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Wrong, the Imperium's official religion, which is also the religion of its head of state, the Emperor, and head of government, Guilliman, as well as of all loyalist Astartes, is the Imperial Truth. The Emperor would have every single abetter of the Ecclesiarchy tortured to death for high treason, to say nothing of what he'd do to traitor Astartes like the Black Templars. There is no universe in which the Ecclesiarchy has legitimate state authority under the discretion of the Emperor or Lord Commander, it is essentially a widespread heresy that has been treated as heterodox to the official atheistic religion of the IoM due to power struggles and political corruption but there is zero chance at all that it has genuine legal status as anything other than a crime.
>having primarchs feature as people >muh imperial troooth
nu41k is non-canon to WH40k and BL is pathologically garbage
what the frick has that got to do with my post you colossal frick up?
the Imperium is Catholic even if it's not christian; Catholic means "universal" or "all-encompassing" and the Church of Rome choosing to refer to themselves as Catholic was a very specific political statement (made in the context of the schism with Constantinople) that the Imperium also subscribes to completely.
no, you can calk it catholic but it is neither catholic christian or ever referred to as catholic in the lore.
It doesn't subscribe to anything christian or roman church.
In my headcanon of the imperium they don't eat the tinned poo poo.
Arguments about whether fantasy factions are good or bad are moot, especially when they are fantasy space factions in relative proximity to one another.
The reality is the Imperium, while being authoritarian, theocratic, steeply vertical, is unfortunately the only game in town where threats of demonic possession and xenos subjugation are real.
That being said, my Imperials just don't eat the poo poo. Never happened. I know human beings can sometimes do great things in the shadow of over regimentation and deprivation and danger.
But if at the end of all that I can't have a bowl of rice with egg and onions sauce, or biscuits and gravy, or even just oatmeal without centipedes, or whatever your local snack is, what is the point. What is the point of any of it?
i figure that they do eat processed corpses and poop or whatever, but it's more for hive cities with insane overpopulation and forge worlds where 99.999% of the population is essentially in slavery
im sure Jim Notacatholic in his farm house gets to eat some nice potatoes when he pleases
If some prison planets do it, and I say that this has never been proven, then the criminals on there deserved it. The Tau always talk about "freedom to" but never "freedom from," including gunboat diplomacy from mecha Menshevik Manatee midgets.
Obviously the Imperium parodises the monolithic aspect and Iconography of the Church. While I don't agree with the Zoomer Chud assessment that "this makes it Catholic," you got baited hard.
It's just internet culture war static. You don't lose anything by not playing. I admire the Chuds ability to always get a rise out of people by simply having their own identification with media that subverts dominant paradigms. Unfortunate that they are so hard over ideology but whaddyado, just give them a tiny house, a grocery bagging job and a massage parlour voucher and there will be an end to the horror.
>While I don't agree with the Zoomer Chud assessment that "this makes it Catholic," you got baited hard.
I am a millenial non-chud actually, I just think the aesthetic and practices are obviously inspired by catholicism over any other religious influence.
Oh sure it's a vibe, but I mean I could say that it borrows so much from Dune and Alien and 2001AD too. I identify with Catholicism but the next guy could put more emphasis on Star Wars as a moral or cultural touchstone these days.
its not bait, op wanted to have an illogical discussion about why the Imperium doesn't adhere to Catholic tradition.
answer: its not christian why would it?
Op then got mad for getting egg on his face so went full /misc/
Bro you're gonna have a cardiac event, don't sress yourself out like this.
if 40k borrows from Dune wouldn't it be more eastern?
Hmm its almost like 40k isn't christian.
Dune they practised ZenSunni Islam as per the Orange Catholic bible. Have fun.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Catholic means universal, its not christian.
Buddislam is not christian
You are obnoxiously dumb
5 months ago
Anonymous
Get the hose
5 months ago
Anonymous
>he thought Catholic orange bible meant it was christian >hes not aware of what the word catholic means
moron
5 months ago
Anonymous
You keep makimg this assertion without any basis. I understand what it means because I am Catholic. The subtext is that in the Dune universe religion has syncretic elements. Now go away, you boring litte man.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You being catholic doesn't mean you understand a thing.
Like you don't understand catholic has a broader meaning.
Thats an incredibly stupid thing to say.
The religion in dune isn't Catholicism.
5 months ago
Anonymous
We agree, you abject fricking lunatic. Have a coke and stop being a crazy pedantic b***h. You're literally hovering jumping on any comment that doesn't explciitly state the sublime, and it's ridiculous.
5 months ago
Anonymous
shut up paddy you lying c**t.
5 months ago
Anonymous
You GW people are not well. This is why people move onto other things lol
>he assumes everyone's reading level is the same as his shut tier common core education and life consuming dross
No, you worm, no. Btfo
5 months ago
Anonymous
frick off leprechaun
>guy starts relitigating the troubles over the notion 40k could have taken some inspo from IRL catholicism
>to be sure to be sure 40k be irish, made in Dublin to be sure
5 months ago
Anonymous
Uh I mean there's literally an appendix in Dune that deals with the creation of it. It is funny because it also works in the sense of "catholic tastes" but it's pretty clearly meant to be something that looks like an obvious oxymoron combined catholic and orange (i.e. protestant) in the title, indicating the accepted religion in Dune is very very far from anything we would understand and an amalgam of major world religions we know.
5 months ago
Anonymous
No there isnt gay, the question has been debated, stop fricking lying.
The word appears to be a corruption of the original title "Koranjiyana" which if said quickly sounds like the word "Orange".
In this context, this doesn't refer (directly) to the Catholic faith but rather its common meaning, "encompassing everything".
In early fragments of his memoirs, Bertoli [a contemporary in-universe commentator] refers to it as the Koranjiyana Zenchristian Scriptures, or as the Zenchristian Navakoran, but after the fourth year it seems to be settled in his mind, at least, that Orange Catholic Bible was to be the name. We must suppose that a day or a week was given over to settling what may have become a matter of embarrassing dispute. The terms "orange" and "catholic" do, however, seem to have established themselves as reflecting the more innovative and rational as opposed to the more conservative and traditional schools of thought, sometimes being used quite lightly, if we may judge by odd remarks of Bertoli—"what a delightfully pompous catholic statement," "Catholic to a See," "utterly Orange is the only word to describe that nonsense," "for an Orange, that little acolyte of Bruin's is quite a peach," "all of those oranges are bananas"—remarks not at all clear to us now, but some were clearly meant as witticisms. The origin of the term Orange as applied to a religious sectarian is now obscure but its religious significance is so overwhelming nowadays that few remember it as the ancient name of a fruit now called portyguls.
You irish moronic c**t
5 months ago
Anonymous
Is this from the Dune prequels lol, it's definitely not from that appendix.
5 months ago
Anonymous
what appendix if there was an appendix that explained it this would be settled
Its Franks son Brian that put forth the theory its a catholicism and protestant hybrid
The guy that wrote all the books people dont like
5 months ago
Anonymous
Appendix II, the one titled 'The Religion of Dune'. What did you haul your C&P from?
5 months ago
Anonymous
may i see a link to the appendix
5 months ago
Anonymous
nvm i found it im reading it, theres no reference at all in the appendix to it being christian or actually catholic.
its not bait, op wanted to have an illogical discussion about why the Imperium doesn't adhere to Catholic tradition.
answer: its not christian why would it?
Op then got mad for getting egg on his face so went full /misc/
I don't think anyone outside of the Twitter OP(which should be a bannable offense T B H), was saying that the Imperium was literally Catholic, just that it is heavily inspired and ripped from the Catholic church. OP might have inquired about the logistics for having the same traditions in 41st millennium. An interesting enough topic, but the thread was then violently derailed to the delight of many.
The original post has some wit about it but tweets are too long now. It's like catapaulting livejournal entries at people.
In any case, there is actually a more salient point there that the Imperium's percieved inefficiency is ritualised as a social survival technology, which religion is.
Servitors aren't the same things as serfs. Or more specifically, the Imperium has plenty of ordinary citizens which are toiling away at ordinary labor.
And of course the Servitors themselves would have their own operations wrapped up in the Ad Mech's own rituals of maintenance.
thats the implicit premise of the thread, taking a tradition from catholicism and saying why doesn't the Imperium do it
5 months ago
Anonymous
Do you know what a celebration or a feast is? In a religious sense anyway? I'm honestly asking, google will not give you the right answer.
5 months ago
Anonymous
>Do you know what a celebration or a feast is?
You're probably talking to an American who does not understand what celebrations are feasts are even supposed to be without the context of intense commercial interest.
>out of nowhere >op is literally referring to a twitter post complaining the authors are secular and not following catholic tradition.
Farms mong is an idiot.
If there's anything I hate, it's dumbasses who act like they know what they're talking about without doing any research on the topic. Pic related. The Imperium has plenty of holidays and besides a few major ones, depend significantly on where you live.
he literally was inspired by the Holy Blood a book the Di Vinci Code was inspired by, you know a 'heretical' conspiracy text. >The parallel - and I'm only drawing a parallel and not implying that 40K has any spiritual or religious basis - is the way in which the Christian church developed in the early centuries AD - the Emperor becomes a 'god' because he is treated as a god and a whole culture and belief system grows up around that. Which is why the Space Marines don't sit entirely comfortably within the Imperium - they are pre-'Emperor' and their traditions belong to a different and more rational age. Of course, all that has largely disappeared from the canon over the years - so you have to remember I'm talking about the original creation. GW's re-write has always been a lot simpler and - I sorry to say -crass! It's become what I sometimes summarise as 'Waaagh the Emperor!' - but the original idea was that the Space Marines have an older and more direct relationship with the Emperor analogous to that of the Knights Templar as keepers of the Holy Grail and so forth - I'm not saying that stuff is 'real' only that there's the parallel! The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail (book) had just come out at the time and I remember reading that - it's the book Dan Brown based The Da Vinci Code on. Hence you get a natural friction between the different factions within the Imperium - most of which are dependent upon willful self-delusion to some extent. Again - I draw the parallel with the history of the Christian church - the Great Schism - endless heresies and sectarianism - factions hunted down and destroyed (Prussian Crusade for example) and so on. In that respect, the Emperor in the 40K backstory is as much based on history as upon any fictional influences.
>priestly wasn't at all insipred by christianity >proof? >yeah, check out this paragraph of priestly rattling off dozens of references to real life christian history and how it inspired him
You're insane
he literally says >and I'm only drawing a parallel and not implying that 40K has any spiritual or religious basis >Again - I draw the parallel with the history of the Christian church -
People like you are idiots you just read what you want to read.
Hes literally fricking saying theres a parallel not that its supposed to be interpreted as religious and christian.
And he says his inspiration is the Holy Blood so its laughable you think a heretical book is Christian.
- I draw the parallel with the history of the Christian church -
Why do you keep making our arguments for us by quoting the text that proves you wrong? Are you okay?
>I draw the parallel with the history of the Christian church
Since you seem unable to read I reposted that for you. That has been everyone's argument this entire thread. Nobody has said 40k has some kind of "spiritual basis" or that the Imperium is christian, but it has parallels to it. Thanks for admitting that point.
There are plenty of trinities sure >Perun, Mokosh, & Veles >the Mother, the Maiden the Crone
But none of those trinities are specifically the idea of an omnipotent God, its own mortal vessel, & also a binding force throughout all creation. This is specifically Christian
how would wh40k look if imperium were "noble savage", compared to other civlizations, medieval catholics who live humble happy agrarian lives? it would probably be like WF
A good chunk of the Imperium does live humble "happy" agrarian lives on Agri worlds. But there are also hellish Forge Worlds and Hive Worlds. The overall theme of the Imperium is a fusion between literally Paradise Lost (Horus Heresy), Roman Empire, and Catholic Medieval Europe; but the Imperium also takes influence from every other part of human history. We just don't see a lot of it from a civilian's perspective.
The world, once a symphony of milk-drunk gurgles, had devolved into a discordant opera of wails. Wee Horace, his fists clenched like a gnome's on payday, surveyed the battlefield from his bouncy chair. The enemy: a puree of parsnips, once promised as creamy gold, now sat mockingly on his plastic tray, a lumpy moat guarding the fortress of the bib.
Horace's brow, furrowed like a gnome's counting stolen turnips, glistened with the sweat of righteous fury. His chin, adorned with a bib stained the colour of a troll's hangover, jutted out like a rampaging dwarf's. His eyes, once pools of moonlit milk, now crackled with the green lightning of a discombobulated pixie.
He let out a roar that would make a troll wince, a noise that could curdle cheese and sour dragon's breath. It bounced off the walls, rattling the spoons in the dishwasher like startled boggarts. His tiny legs, like wind-up pistons, hammered a furious tattoo on the plastic tray, a drumbeat to the war cry of his empty belly.
The spoon, once a silver chariot to the land of mushy delight, lay abandoned, a fallen knight in the quagmire of parsnips. Horace, a dragon deprived of its hoard, reached out a chubby hand, his fingers like knobby sausages, and swatted the offending puree. It splattered across the tray, a viscous tide of vegetable ennui.
His mother, bless her heart, approached with the weary smile of a veteran of the nappy wars. "Come on, Horace," she crooned, her voice a soothing balm on the battlefield. "One spoonful for Mama, then we sing the dragon song, eh?"
But Horace was not to be bribed. He puffed out his cheeks, a tiny pufferfish armed with the deadliest weapon of all - the silent scream. And in that silence, in that vacuum of unmet needs, bloomed the most potent magic of all - the irresistible, unstoppable, world-altering force of a hungry baby's tantrum.
So the parsnips remained unconquered, a monument to Horace's righteous fury.
The Imperium is actually fairly liberal on what interpretation of the God Emperor's faith you take, given how planets can sometimes go even centuries at a time without outside contact, so as long as people worship Big E, it's fine.
>"The entire surface of Gryphonne IV is covered and encrusted with massive continent-sized factories, machine shops, and other such manufactorums. These places clank and hiss, constantly throwing up pollutants into the ravaged sky as tens of billions of servitors and their tech-priest masters toil night and day to produce munitions and tanks. To the adepts who labor here, the concept of rest is a dangerous blasphemy, for the armies of the Imperium in this part of the galaxy cannot function cannot function without the constant flow of war materials from this steel-skinned world." --4th ed rulebook
>the concept of rest is a dangerous blasphemy
in 40K religion, you honor the saints by working even harder on their feast-days.
Oh boy what a cool and actually original thread topic! I'm sure many anons will post canon examples of Imperial holidays, or theorise on how over the top and grimdark they can actually be!
Actual OP here; I actually haven't posted any comments since i made the thread.
Sheesh this quickly went totally off the rails.
My opinion on the whole argument is that a) grimderp is moronic and bad writing, and is not the point of warhammer in opposition to what that other anon said and b) having everyone just stop critical operations for religious observances is funny dark absurdism and is more in-character for an exaggeratedly hyper-religious society
I was rereading Anabasis lately and it's pretty funny how every time even a minor decision comes up it's like 'alright guys bust out the sacrifices we'd better check these entrails'.
But they undoubtedly do all of those things, but most literature doesn't bother meticulously documenting all of it. The reason being, 80-90% of religious figures, be they for the Imperial Cult or the Mechanicum dogma, are so particularly local to whatever region of the vast territory of the Imperium, that they are not relevant to the grander scheme of the setting. You can just assume that the populace carries on celebrating whatever relevant local saints or holidays they have independent of whatever narrative is occurring.
This is dumb because the life of a religious fanatic is unignorably dominated by religious practices. It can't just fade into the background.
Working the foundry 25 hours a day, 8 days a week IS a holy duty in the Imperium. Every day is a feast day and the feast is forced labor flavored.
Remember to apply for your breeding permit. The holiest duty to a citizen in the Imperium of Man is making more of them. Only the most pious and gifted of all workers will granted permission for this holy quest.
They tell us the size of a space marine's shriveled ball sack so the definitely would tell us if there were holidays. They don't so there are none. Celebrating anything but the empower probably would instantly cause a psi storm and kill billions or something.
The joke is on the homosexual, because these are absolutely things that are hinted at in early WH40k.
It is not our fault this gaylet has only ever interacted with nu41k.
fpbp
moron.
The Imperium isn't catholic. What a fricking moron
The Imperium has obviously Catholic-inspired ritual on a ridiculous scale 10,000 grander than anything ever actually done by humans. OP is completely right and it has been so sad to see a wonderful grandiose and absurb setting taken down to "reasonable" and "heroic" levels by a bunch of fedora-tipping atheists who couldn't get their original sci-fi and fantasy novels published. What a shame.
No it doesn't it's not catholic or even abrahamic it's a clean break with christianity with a gap of tens of thousands of years.
You people are insanely stupid
Bruh are you really going to argue nothing about the Ecclesiarchy or Sisters of Battle has taken inspiration from Catholicism? Am I speaking to an American here, maybe this is a Yuropan thing and so it's not obvious to you.
Its an aesthetic because gothic shit is cool. You are looking at the superficial and extrapolating thats its "catholic" or trying to be. Rather than it being its own thing.
It's comical Nazi Space Catholicism and you being annoyed at that doesn't change the inspiration. The only reason GW's stepped back from the absurdity in the OP tweet is because they're now concentrating on shilling a good guys vs bad guys superhero narrative with the primarchs. Well I hate logic and reason in 40k, and I love stupid and crippling hyper-religious mania.
You are probably a weirdo prot IRL and have deep issues with catholicism, whereas I am not religious at all and can therefore enjoy the insanity.
The Adeptus Mechanicus literally believe in the Holy Trinity as seen through the lens of physics & technology.
The Machine God (Father)
The Omnissiah (Son)
The Motive Force (Holy Spirit)
Thats hilarious you think the Admech are christians? The Machine God is God
Thats not true anyway.
The Omnissiah is the Machine God and they were forced into compromising with the Imperium that the Emperor is the Omnissiah
You realize that the entire concession of the God Emperor being the Omnissiah is a reflection of the israeli debate over whether Jesus is the Messiah? Like fricking hell dude learn some theology
no the concession is because the Imperium would have nuked them if they didn't acknowledge the Omnissiah is the Emperor
You are low iq if you think thats what im doing im literally mocking people that think The Imperium is LITERALLY christian
>im literally mocking people that think The Imperium is LITERALLY christian
Those people exist in your head, you're screaming at your own demented thoughts
>You are low iq if you think thats what im doing im literally mocking people that think The Imperium is LITERALLY christian
you're so moronic you have to invent people in order to have somebody to feel superior to
if I ever get an acquired brain injury and reach this low point I hope one of my family members smothers me with a pillow while I'm asleep
stfu moron. Your kind can stand be mocked because of your fragile egos.
Say a stupid thing get mocked.
Half wit.
can't*
to* while you're at it
nobody thinks the imperium is """"literally christian""""" dumbass
Shut up you fricking stupid c**t.
to be this openly livid you must be mentally unwell as well as stupid
completely unsurprising tbh
I can do this all day moron. im not livid at all, im full of low blood pressure pills
Laughing at your life you c**t.
You really think you can come on the internet and gas light people, the only reason is because theres a screen inbetween me and you stopping me from breaking your neck and stomping on your head.
>I can do this all day
I'm sure you can, you're almost certainly on the disability pensionthyt4
>You people are insanely stupid
t. the dysfunctionally autistic moron that interpets everything in the most literalist fashion possible
>wonderful grandiose and absurb setting taken down to "reasonable" and "heroic" levels by a bunch of fedora-tipping atheists who couldn't get their original sci-fi and fantasy novels published. What a shame.
Are you fricking high?
Nobody said they were literally catholic. But the Imperium does have saints, and is stated to have festivals and other religious ceremonies.
Are you next going to suggest that nobody in the Imperium prays, because catholics also pray, and the Imperium isn't catholic?
Having Saints doesn't make you catholic or festivals and ceremonies. laughable
Nowhere in the OP does it state that they were catholic. Why did you bring up catholics out of nowhere?
stfu you lying piece of shit
Eat a bullet
Post a screenshot of where in the OP is the mention of Catholicism
you are such a god damn b***h stfu
Just answer the question, buddy. Why does it get you so angry?
Use your brain moron, try it. You are saying something blatantly untrue and lying and ignoring all evidence to the contrary.
Yep. They’re inspired by Catholicism. They have saints.
And they just don’t have feast days. See how simple it is? Taking a bunch of parts of something doesn’t mean there is no end to it. By that logic they also worship baby jebus.
This anon put it best if that can’t quell your raging autism:
having saints doesn't mean they are catholic and they aren't inspired by catholicism, they are inspired by Dune lol
Stop doubling down
I don’t know who you think I am. That was my first post in the thread. I can see you’re in the midst of an autistic meltie and there’s no getting through to you. I’ll leave you to it.
don't care moron stfu
Remind me anon what the dominant religion in Dune is, I seem to remember something along the lines of the Orange Catholic Bible being the primary holy text.
You are a god damn moron, see
I think you may be intellectually disabled and calling everyone and everything that upsets you autism makes you a c**t.
"Catholic" is used by multiple denominations other than The Catholic Church.
It's called the "Orange Catholic Bible" to hallmark the unification of faiths. Orange is the color of Irish protestantism. Protestants and catholics, notoriously divided factions of christianity, united again. And the text is implied to not only be a unification of christian sects, but a mass incorporation of all religions into one faith that has identified some core belief structure within all faiths.
The Emperor is all but directly stated to have been a church apostate. If anything, he'd want his followers to have little as possible to do with his Old Boss, which was what the Imperial Truth was all about.
>BL lore
Ok but the Emps predates Christianity
Yeah, but he still was a follower of the guy they nailed on a stick for a while once he came. Even if they'll never elaborate on that point of the Emperor's life, it's not hard to figure that he designed many of his buildings with a nostalgia for what he left behind. When the Emperor manifests warp beings of order like the Imperious, he gives them distinctively angelic motifs.
The Emps seems to have designed his empire after pre-Christian Rome, the medieval aesthetic developed after his 'death' as a sort of degeneration. Angels predate christianity eg Valkyrie, Judaism etc
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_(mythology)
Its not the Emperor manifesting them its peoples beliefs through him manifesting angelic beings.
And the Imperial Truth has been almost completely erased from history in favor of a religion that was created by the guy who was pretty much 100% responsible for the Horus Heresy. What's your point?
that just means Lorgar is a kinda martyr or anti-martyr and proof that losing faith in the Emperor damns you
So this guy absolutely made this thread so he could argue with himself into he baited people into arguing with him about how all the nuns, gothic churches, martydom, and church ranks had no inspiration from the irl church right?
the imperium is quite literally a bunch of british nerds making fun of catholicism/european christianity. The Cult of the Emperor is just thinly veiled Catholicism; it functions in every way that the Catholic Church does or has in the past. The different chapters and organizations function relative to how other cultures have taken the primary Pre-Schism Christian Church and ran with it. For example, the Black Templar are literally Space Baptists.
It's not subtle, but I could understand how it would be easy to miss for those who didnt go to CCD.
the cult of the Emperor is literally the Emperor from Dune.
Christgays do not worship an Emperor.
The chapters are knightly orders that do not acknowledge the Imperium's religion, they don't even like the Imperium, they consider themselves apart from it and are independent.
The Space marines are still operating under the Imperial truth not the creed.
So its completely different.
even more, Christians say that Jesus died for you, The Imperium says Emps is not dead and still alive.
Remember anon, the Emperor's own son, Sanguinius died for not just you, but the salvation of all mankind.
Jesus is still alive, and sitting on a golden throne where He eternally rules from heaven. Read the Bible
templars are an odd chapter not the standard. They are an outlier successor chapter.
idiot
>a multitude of saints
>worship of a martyred messiah
>nuns (with guns)
>monks (with guns)
>a massive societal focus on sin and penance
>literally everything is designed to look like a cathedral
>corrupt clergy
>crusades
>inquisition
>confessors
no sir, no catholicism to be found here, nope
Like are we really going 'no there is no Catholic influence here whatsoever' my man.
its not catholic you fricking mong
They're Anglican
they aren't christian at all. They are a new religion that ironically came out of an atheist ideology
Truly fricking sock of /misc/tards trying to force their bullshit on everything
Bro people have been calling them catholic space nazis for more than 10 years. Look at the archive! That title edit was made the same year dark heresy came out. That was before /misc/ was even a thing. It was before /new/ was even a thing!
and also like 10 years before he started using /tg/
No one cares. People could call them bronies, it doesn't mean its true.
>christians are the only people that do these things
Again you look at the surface and make stupid statements
This is copium
you are an extremely dumb person
And you're in denial
You are in denial. Why do you want them to be christian so bad when they are not? so you can perpetuate hate?
Nobody is arguing they are literally christian lmao.
that is what is being said, to the point op is wondering why they don't adhere to catholic tradition.
Which makes mo sense as they aren't christian
>but dey make cathedrals and dey look kinda like stuff ive seen
Insane how small ignorant some peopke are
i wanna hear this, this is gonna be funny: what IS the imperium's religious aesthetic inspired by, angry anon?
since when does an aesthetic make a thing the actual thing?
Merely resembling a thing doesn't make the thing the same thing, you mong.
What a non-sequitur, can you not answer a simple question?
What religion is it inspired by?
you seem to have difficulty understanding when a question is being posed to you, so here's one in image format that you might be able to read 🙂
>You are in denial
About what? The fact that the Imperium of Man has obvious inspiration from the Catholic Church?
>Why do you want them to be christian so bad when they are not
I don't. Are you a middle schooler who just entered his edgy atheist phase?
I know right? Incense burning, praying, candle lighting, organ playing, Latin chanting, nuns and templars who pray to their god in elaborate rituals and erect cathedrals filled with religious imagery is nothing at all like any religion that exists today.
ESPECIALLY not CATHOLICISM. Don't forget the saints either!
I KNOW! What kind of moron would look at an image like this and think it was in anyway inspired by a catholic religious organization?
i love the Black Non-Denominational Religious Militant Organization, coolest chapter
Personally, I love the Armageddon Ambiguously-Central-European Tank-based Desert Warefare Legion. Look at their helmets, it's so original, I've never seen anything like that before.
Cool conversion of the vet guard KT to steel legion I saw, I keep meaning to get around to trying it. Chem-dogs would be even cooler ofc.
There is nothing even remotely catholic about this image at all.
blast weapons, my beloved.
>Auto-da-fe? What's an auto-da-fe?
>getting so mad you had to reply twice
It's not like I made this title edit, anon. When did dark heresy 1e come out? 15 years ago?
Why are you reporting posts you c**t?
I didn't report his posts senpai.
yes you did
23 years ago
>i made a edit retitling a book
>therefore it is true
This is mental illness
There are some shocking uncritical thinkers in this thread. Everyone knows that the Imperium has no inspiration from Catholicism or 20th century extremist politics. Anyway, which faction has a cooler moral figures? The Black Templars chaplains, or the Dark Angels chaplains? Honorable mention to the Commissars of both the Death Korp of Krieg and Armageddon Steel Legion, as well as the Ecclesiastical Sororitas.
You people are b***hes
op people like you that think you can have a one sided opinion and everyone else that proves you are wrong should be silenced, should be taken out back and shot
Why does the obvious catholic inspiration behind the ecclesiarchy make you so goddamn mad?
>It can't be both
The Imperium is supposed to be as backwards as it its forwards, and filled with contradictory laws and orders due to many different offices, both secular and religious, overriding each other.
It be perfectly in-character for serfs to be outfitted with cybernetics that allow them to work at the factories without sleep, and shock their system with unbearable pain if they stop working, while ALSO demanding they stop working to observe religious catechisms and saintly rites. Those who foam at the mouth from the pain, or escape it by continuing to work during these holy observances, are then branded heretics, and depending on the severity of their heresy, are either shot and killed on the spot, or converted to servitors.
40k is all about grimderp: being so depressing, gruesome, and downright awful, that it loops back around to being funny.
i'm pretty convinced by this thread catholics are stupid
Are the catholics in the room with you right now?
So you're a Catholic, then? You certainly meet the stupidity requirement.
I love a good 'autistic homosexual shits himself to die on a hill no one but him cares about' thread.
says the gay who is literally doing this
>the reference i get the reference HOLY SHIT reddit
So you admit it's inspired by Catholic imagery, then.
I'm glad we can come to an agreement, anon!
You really are a fool
you love ad hominem. You have been so throughly btfo in this thread.
My favourite response from you is posting a picture you edited 20 years ago as proof
>IP counter didn't go up
>ad hominem
No one has ever looked less religious than this guy.
I'm fricking crying holy shit. I genuinely think this dude has never been in a church before.
so what if he hasn't? do you need to go to a church to point out something wrong
>IP counter didn't go up
>he
Nice try.
Who in their right mind would say this is inspired by catholicism? There are 0 similarities.
You don't get it, it clearly looks like an Eastern Orthodox Basilica.
Exactly. The Imperium might have prayers, saints, angels, crosses, and religious ceremonies, but they are certainly not remotely related to catholic tradition, and they certainly do not have religious ceremonies!
what crosses? the cross in Imperium is a skull. Saints and Angels are not exclusively christian or religious ceremonies.
Theres no link to the Imperial cult and Christhomosexualry.
>Saints [...] are not exclusively christian
They are, though.
>the imperium has crosses
oh no no you outed yourself.
Saints in English has become a generic word applicable to non-christian religions. Its use in 40k isn't christian
>Saints in English has become a generic word applicable to non-christian religions
Says who? Your moronic ass?
>While the English word saint originated in Christianity, historians of religion tend to use the appellation "in a more general way to refer to the state of special holiness that many religions attribute to certain people", referring to the israeli ḥasīd or tzadik, the Islamic walī, the Hindu rishi or Sikh Bhagat and guru, the Shintoist kami, the Taoist shengren, and the Buddhist arhat or bodhisattva also as saints.[3][4] Depending on the religion, saints are recognized either by official ecclesiastical declaration, as in the Catholic faith, or by popular acclamation (see folk saint).[5]
oh no no catholic is a moron
>historians of religion tend to use the appellation "in a more general way to refer to the state of special holiness that many religions attribute to certain people", referring to the israeli ḥasīd or tzadik, the Islamic walī, the Hindu rishi or Sikh Bhagat and guru, the Shintoist kami, the Taoist shengren, and the Buddhist arhat or bodhisattva also as saints
Note how none of those terms aren't sainthood. "Historians of religion" are just lazy fricks using a Christian term to make vaguely-similar positions understandable to uneducated audiences that barely even know Christianity. A guru or bodhisattva is very different from a saont both in theology and in translation.
the Imperium is more reminiscent of Buddhism and Hinduism in practice than Christianity and no gothic architecture is not proof its Christian.
Christians do not worship an Emperor on a throne.
>Christians do not worship an Emperor on a throne.
No, they worship a King on a cross.
>Imperium is more reminiscent of Buddhism and Hinduism in practice than Christianity
How so
The Imperium isn't Hindu, and therefore shares no religious practices with Hinduism
Just like its not Christian. Thanks for agreeing
you lost hard moron
>Just like its not Christian. Thanks for agreeing
Exactly. Nobody in the Imperium prays, because that's a real life religious practice.
praying isn't exclusively christian.
And where did I say it was?
you are malding, complete moron
I was agreeing with you though? The Imperium isn't Hindu or Christian, and therefore does not share any religious practices with them.
Why wouldn't that include prayer?
prayer isnt exclusive to any religion? You are trying to be smart but saying moronic things
>prayer isnt exclusive to any religion?
Well, neither are feasts or religious celebrations, but clearly the Imperium can't have those either because that's too close to Catholicism.
Wasn't that the point you were making?
So you understand a religion can have traditions and not be another religion
Essentially you are trying to say one tribe eats so another tribe eats on the other side of the world is the same tribe.
Oh, I understand now. So the Imperium can have its own feasts and celebrations for its own religion, without those needing to specifically be related to a real life religion like Hindu or Catholocism.
I suppose to get the thread slightly back on topic then, what Imperial solemnities and Imperial saints' days do you think regularly interrupt operations on Imperium worlds?
why would they interrupt?
Why wouldn't they? The Imperium is vast and spans a wide variety of worlds after all, and even worship of the Emperor is known to vary in its exact practices from system to system.
The mere fact it's a festival or celebration would certainly imply some change in day-to-day activities.
because its not catholic? why would servitors stop work they arent treated as people.
Have you considered they continue working even when theres a religious procession
>because its not catholic?
And? As we established, the Imperium can have its own feasts and celebrations without them being catholic. What catholics do doesn't really have any bearing on it.
>Have you considered they continue working even when theres a religious procession
A religious procession of who? People who aren't working?
If the premise is Catholics have a day off for a Saint. That doesnt apply to the Imperium.
The Imperium has so many Saints they'd never work.
>If the premise is Catholics have a day off for a Saint. That doesnt apply to the Imperium.
>The Imperium has so many Saints they'd never work.
And? As we've established, the Imperium can have its own feasts and celebrations without them being catholic.
The Imperium can also have its own holidays and days off without them being catholic either.
yes but the premise that they will do what catholics do is wrong, since its not catholic.
none of it is catholic,
>none of it is catholic
Cool, anyway:
Do you know what a celebration or a feast is? In a religious sense anyway? I'm honestly asking, google will not give you the right answer.
>yes but the premise that they will do what catholics do is wrong, since its not catholic.
We've already been over this. Imperials pray, just like many other real-life religions.
The Imperium is clearly not forbidden from their religious practices resembling real-life religious practices. The Imperium having a similar religious practice does not mean that the Imperium is now the religious practice.
What Catholicism does has no bearing. Catholics praying does not mean the Imperium is forbidden from also praying.
Exactly so they dont behave like catholics. So they wont pray like a catholic or adhere to Saint day celebrations like a catholic,
>So they wont pray like a catholic or adhere to Saint day celebrations like a catholic
Sure. And as we've established, the Imperium can also have its own holidays and days off without them being catholic either.
This anon
gave a few excellent examples of canon Imperial holidays, and it even notes within the Festival of Saints that many saints have their own holy days. The Imperium is clearly capable of having such celebrations without being catholic.
See
Sectors have a "Major" Saint for specific worship, and then they have the "Festival of Saints" which is an all-encompassing thing to worship all Saints such as Solar Macharius.
>Emperor on a throne
You're right, there's never any mention of God sitting on a throne ruling the universe. Just like how's there's no parallel between God's son willing and knowing sacrificing himself to save humanity.
Stfu you moron catholic
you aren't doing your faith any credit you lying piece of shit
>you aren't doing your faith any credit
The thing makes this all even more hilarious is that I'm not a catholic. You're just a full blown schizo.
neither am i you moron so what are you doing?
>so what are you doing?
Farming a lolcow who started sperging about Catholicism out of nowhere and continues to go off the rails.
A few of us are Catholic thanks, just chill
don't care what you are butthole
So its yet again a farms homosexual who thinks he farming a lolcow,
What if i said you are the lolcow? because of yojr obsession with catholics and 40k
>What if i said you are the lolcow? because of yojr obsession with catholics and 40k
>n-no U!
Keep 'em coming. Your seething is starting to leak into your formatting now.
And a good day to you Sir
>what crosses?
I wonder
>religious ceremonies
>not exclusively christian
Yeah, you're almost there.
Say it with me now:
The Imperium can have religious ceremonies and festivals for saints without being catholic.
the Imperium is Catholic even if it's not christian; Catholic means "universal" or "all-encompassing" and the Church of Rome choosing to refer to themselves as Catholic was a very specific political statement (made in the context of the schism with Constantinople) that the Imperium also subscribes to completely.
>what crosses? the cross in Imperium is a skull
You're right, I've never seen a single cross anywhere in the Imperium. That settles it boys, they are not inspired by catholicism after all.
its not the christian cross
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Crux_Terminatus
And yet it's still a cross. Funny how you were pretending there were none at all.
that design is silly part of nuGW, but no you are implying they hold up the cross for veneration when they do not.
Keep seething mong
honestly super dumb for the sculptors to add crosses to 40k stuff, it just feeds schizos assumptions about 40k
The fact is that the Imperium is a combination of the Roman era Imperial Cult (which is to say, the deification of Roman Emperors) and stereotypical Medieval Europe.
Yeah, honestly. Nu40k needs to stop putting crosses everywhere.
different kind of cross and still not christian.
Is this cross better for you?
when people say cross they mean the crucifixion cross. Thats a very clear symbol. Just crosses are not a christian symbol.
And Imperials let alone marines do not worship Jesus.
I have no idea why cretins like you who post things as if you are making epic gotchas completely without context think you are smart,
I never said they worshipped Jesus, did I?
You implied it
Can you back your statement up at all?
>pro tip: you can't
The implication from you was 40k has crosses and it implies the worship of Jesus Christ
The crosses in 40k do not symbolise Jesus Christ or in fact have any religious connotation at all.
I think you may have autism, because what you're implying has no basis in reality. Unless you've been LARPing as an imperial citizen this entire thread, you're clearly mistaken as to what everyone else has been poking fun at.
You do know both of those cross designs are just variants of the christian cross symbol?
>when people say cross they mean the crucifixion cross
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_cross_variants
It's pretty close to pic related (or the Cross of Saint Julian) that the inspiration is clear.
>Hey Charnel Guard, whatcha got on your pauldron?
chucklefricks
I don't mean to interrupt but
>Adeptus Mechanicus doesn't seem to conduct Sacred Server Maintenance every 14 solar cycles or celebrate the solemnity of Turning Everything Off and Back On Again
they do, it's just obfuscated with rites and prayers and nobody understands functionally WHAT the ritual every 14 cycles does but it works.
its really telling the /misc/tard who keeps doubling down on this bullshit that the Imperium is christian and nazis keeps crying to the mods
I promise you nobody thinks your posts are interesting enough to report.
personally ive figured he's been just pretending to be moronic for interaction from
onward, but im having a shitty day and pretending he isn't pretending has improved it
I enjoyed the posts, anon. Hope your tomorrow is better.
The trolling was obvious from the moment he started sperging about catholics with 0 mention of them at all.
It has been hilarious to watch him try and handwave away any and all religious elements of the Imperium though.
why are you such a coward? what was said that was wrong? Why do you hate facts?
See
why are you such a coward? what was said that was wrong? Why do you hate facts?
the ops post is clearly referring to catholicism and the subsequent replies by you clearly indicate its about catholic adherence.
Yet the Imperium is not catholic or even christian.
Do you think you really can get away with this sort of childish behaviour irl?
Where you just stamp your feet and insist up is down.
>the ops post is clearly referring to catholicism
Are the catholics in the room with you right now, schizo?
stop lying you aren't impressing anyone you mental case.
which is not what the Imperium worships. I accept your concession.
And I accept your confession of moronation. May the Emperor protect you.
>stop lying you aren't impressing anyone you mental case.
Why are you such a coward? If I'm lying, it should be easy to prove me wrong by pointing to what part of the OP was clearly referring to Catholicism to make you sperg out like this.
>gets btfo itt falsely claiming the Imperium is Christian
Lie lie al you want you are still wrong.
Thanks for the your concession, coward.
>IP counter still doesn't go up
You still haven't answered what religion the Imperium's religious imagery is inspired by, by the way.
The Imperial Creed isn't based on the Imperial Truth. It was started by the writings of the XVII Primarch Lorgar and his Lectitio Divinatus and it supplanted the atheistic Imperial Truth after being actively suppressed by the Emperor.
It should be noted that the Ecclesiarchy does not have legal authority to kill or in any way persecute people who follow the Imperial Truth. Despite the prominence of the moronic Lorgar cult, it is not the official religion of the IoM and the Emperor does not support it. While it may be fairly rare, the authentic religious position of the Emperor, the Lord Commander Guilliman, and thus the Imperial government, is that Emperor worship is wrong and the Ecclesiarchy is an illegitimate institution which saps state authority to spread treacherous lies.
the only organisation not in the Imperium hierarchy are the space marines and the ad mech.
Ad mech are another empire hence the two headed Eagle.
The marines are independent city states.
The church is under the Imperium.
Wrong, the Imperium's official religion, which is also the religion of its head of state, the Emperor, and head of government, Guilliman, as well as of all loyalist Astartes, is the Imperial Truth. The Emperor would have every single abetter of the Ecclesiarchy tortured to death for high treason, to say nothing of what he'd do to traitor Astartes like the Black Templars. There is no universe in which the Ecclesiarchy has legitimate state authority under the discretion of the Emperor or Lord Commander, it is essentially a widespread heresy that has been treated as heterodox to the official atheistic religion of the IoM due to power struggles and political corruption but there is zero chance at all that it has genuine legal status as anything other than a crime.
Guilliman differs in his Dark Imperium novel
Hardly, it's just bad writers trying to make fanon canon. Guilliman fully understands the irrational nature of worshiping Warp xenos, he just wants to more perfectly critique the homosexualy traitor text written by his homosexual "brother". The Emperor is not a divine being, he is merely a powerful gestalt psyker, and Guilliman knows as much, Dark Imperium does nothing to disprove it, it just makes him consider what that means, in terms of the scale of his gene father's power, specifically his ability to hold conversations and act at what appear to be two different periods of time, simultaneously. A strange ability but hardly unprecedented or beyond understanding. I hate you people who foam at the mouth for simply stating the truth, that the Warp xenos colloquially referred to as 'daemons' are just a normal, natural part of the ecosystem of another dimension of physical space. To treat them as divine is such a mind numbingly, willfully ignorant thing to proclaim, when there isn't one single facet of their existence that requires this.
>having primarchs feature as people
>muh imperial troooth
nu41k is non-canon to WH40k and BL is pathologically garbage
what the frick has that got to do with my post you colossal frick up?
no, you can calk it catholic but it is neither catholic christian or ever referred to as catholic in the lore.
It doesn't subscribe to anything christian or roman church.
In my headcanon of the imperium they don't eat the tinned poo poo.
Arguments about whether fantasy factions are good or bad are moot, especially when they are fantasy space factions in relative proximity to one another.
The reality is the Imperium, while being authoritarian, theocratic, steeply vertical, is unfortunately the only game in town where threats of demonic possession and xenos subjugation are real.
That being said, my Imperials just don't eat the poo poo. Never happened. I know human beings can sometimes do great things in the shadow of over regimentation and deprivation and danger.
But if at the end of all that I can't have a bowl of rice with egg and onions sauce, or biscuits and gravy, or even just oatmeal without centipedes, or whatever your local snack is, what is the point. What is the point of any of it?
Say no to corpse starch. Boycott corpse starch.
I bet corpse starch is delicious.
i figure that they do eat processed corpses and poop or whatever, but it's more for hive cities with insane overpopulation and forge worlds where 99.999% of the population is essentially in slavery
im sure Jim Notacatholic in his farm house gets to eat some nice potatoes when he pleases
No that doesn't happen I decided that just now. It's a psy op.
There has to be something to look forward to, even if it is just thermos tea and bland wafers definitely not made from poo.
I bet you have already gone to the source.
>No that doesn't happen I decided that just now. It's a psy op.
all power to you
fight that insidious tau propaganda, anon
If some prison planets do it, and I say that this has never been proven, then the criminals on there deserved it. The Tau always talk about "freedom to" but never "freedom from," including gunboat diplomacy from mecha Menshevik Manatee midgets.
>schizos fanatically trying to say the Imperium is catholic christian
>um im not catholic
Then what are you
Obviously the Imperium parodises the monolithic aspect and Iconography of the Church. While I don't agree with the Zoomer Chud assessment that "this makes it Catholic," you got baited hard.
It's just internet culture war static. You don't lose anything by not playing. I admire the Chuds ability to always get a rise out of people by simply having their own identification with media that subverts dominant paradigms. Unfortunate that they are so hard over ideology but whaddyado, just give them a tiny house, a grocery bagging job and a massage parlour voucher and there will be an end to the horror.
>While I don't agree with the Zoomer Chud assessment that "this makes it Catholic," you got baited hard.
I am a millenial non-chud actually, I just think the aesthetic and practices are obviously inspired by catholicism over any other religious influence.
Oh sure it's a vibe, but I mean I could say that it borrows so much from Dune and Alien and 2001AD too. I identify with Catholicism but the next guy could put more emphasis on Star Wars as a moral or cultural touchstone these days.
Bro you're gonna have a cardiac event, don't sress yourself out like this.
Sorry gay, you say something dumb you will get called out.
You can cope by saying i was just trolling. I don't care. You are still an idiot
Decaf anon
Dune they practised ZenSunni Islam as per the Orange Catholic bible. Have fun.
Catholic means universal, its not christian.
Buddislam is not christian
You are obnoxiously dumb
Get the hose
>he thought Catholic orange bible meant it was christian
>hes not aware of what the word catholic means
moron
You keep makimg this assertion without any basis. I understand what it means because I am Catholic. The subtext is that in the Dune universe religion has syncretic elements. Now go away, you boring litte man.
You being catholic doesn't mean you understand a thing.
Like you don't understand catholic has a broader meaning.
Thats an incredibly stupid thing to say.
The religion in dune isn't Catholicism.
We agree, you abject fricking lunatic. Have a coke and stop being a crazy pedantic b***h. You're literally hovering jumping on any comment that doesn't explciitly state the sublime, and it's ridiculous.
shut up paddy you lying c**t.
You GW people are not well. This is why people move onto other things lol
>he assumes everyone's reading level is the same as his shut tier common core education and life consuming dross
No, you worm, no. Btfo
frick off leprechaun
>to be sure to be sure 40k be irish, made in Dublin to be sure
Uh I mean there's literally an appendix in Dune that deals with the creation of it. It is funny because it also works in the sense of "catholic tastes" but it's pretty clearly meant to be something that looks like an obvious oxymoron combined catholic and orange (i.e. protestant) in the title, indicating the accepted religion in Dune is very very far from anything we would understand and an amalgam of major world religions we know.
No there isnt gay, the question has been debated, stop fricking lying.
The word appears to be a corruption of the original title "Koranjiyana" which if said quickly sounds like the word "Orange".
In this context, this doesn't refer (directly) to the Catholic faith but rather its common meaning, "encompassing everything".
In early fragments of his memoirs, Bertoli [a contemporary in-universe commentator] refers to it as the Koranjiyana Zenchristian Scriptures, or as the Zenchristian Navakoran, but after the fourth year it seems to be settled in his mind, at least, that Orange Catholic Bible was to be the name. We must suppose that a day or a week was given over to settling what may have become a matter of embarrassing dispute. The terms "orange" and "catholic" do, however, seem to have established themselves as reflecting the more innovative and rational as opposed to the more conservative and traditional schools of thought, sometimes being used quite lightly, if we may judge by odd remarks of Bertoli—"what a delightfully pompous catholic statement," "Catholic to a See," "utterly Orange is the only word to describe that nonsense," "for an Orange, that little acolyte of Bruin's is quite a peach," "all of those oranges are bananas"—remarks not at all clear to us now, but some were clearly meant as witticisms. The origin of the term Orange as applied to a religious sectarian is now obscure but its religious significance is so overwhelming nowadays that few remember it as the ancient name of a fruit now called portyguls.
You irish moronic c**t
Is this from the Dune prequels lol, it's definitely not from that appendix.
what appendix if there was an appendix that explained it this would be settled
Its Franks son Brian that put forth the theory its a catholicism and protestant hybrid
The guy that wrote all the books people dont like
Appendix II, the one titled 'The Religion of Dune'. What did you haul your C&P from?
may i see a link to the appendix
nvm i found it im reading it, theres no reference at all in the appendix to it being christian or actually catholic.
frank Herbert hated irish catholicism
its not bait, op wanted to have an illogical discussion about why the Imperium doesn't adhere to Catholic tradition.
answer: its not christian why would it?
Op then got mad for getting egg on his face so went full /misc/
I don't think anyone outside of the Twitter OP(which should be a bannable offense T B H), was saying that the Imperium was literally Catholic, just that it is heavily inspired and ripped from the Catholic church. OP might have inquired about the logistics for having the same traditions in 41st millennium. An interesting enough topic, but the thread was then violently derailed to the delight of many.
The original post has some wit about it but tweets are too long now. It's like catapaulting livejournal entries at people.
In any case, there is actually a more salient point there that the Imperium's percieved inefficiency is ritualised as a social survival technology, which religion is.
op is literally saying why doesn't it adhere to catholic saint holiday tradition.
Why the frick would brainless servitors stop what they are doing.
Because everybody does.
Because the rituals drive the technology unconsciously.
And because a tradition seems useless until it is lost.
why would they stop work when blessing machines is part of the work
Honestly i think op has no point he just wanted to seethe at a twitter post
Hoes are always mad
Servitors aren't the same things as serfs. Or more specifically, the Imperium has plenty of ordinary citizens which are toiling away at ordinary labor.
And of course the Servitors themselves would have their own operations wrapped up in the Ad Mech's own rituals of maintenance.
why would serfs stop what they are doing?
What is a festival?
>op is literally saying why doesn't it adhere to catholic saint holiday tradition.
Quote in the OP of this thread where it says that.
thats the implicit premise of the thread, taking a tradition from catholicism and saying why doesn't the Imperium do it
Do you know what a celebration or a feast is? In a religious sense anyway? I'm honestly asking, google will not give you the right answer.
>Do you know what a celebration or a feast is?
You're probably talking to an American who does not understand what celebrations are feasts are even supposed to be without the context of intense commercial interest.
i am not american, stfu
>out of nowhere
>op is literally referring to a twitter post complaining the authors are secular and not following catholic tradition.
Farms mong is an idiot.
if 40k borrows from Dune wouldn't it be more eastern?
Hmm its almost like 40k isn't christian.
If there's anything I hate, it's dumbasses who act like they know what they're talking about without doing any research on the topic. Pic related. The Imperium has plenty of holidays and besides a few major ones, depend significantly on where you live.
>gallery mode
>looked at cool pictures
>leave thread happy and unaffected by autists itt
This board needs thread IDs.
It's literally just one autist
>guy starts relitigating the troubles over the notion 40k could have taken some inspo from IRL catholicism
as we see itt the deranged paddy reveals his face after the mask slips
obsessed with his schizo sectarianism.
why can't people just leave their real world shit out of 40k.
Its a dark scifi fantasy where holy warriors hammer hideous daemons and aliens to a pulp
There sure are a lot of coincidental catholic church ranks in the space church that was 100% uninspired by catholicism
he literally was inspired by the Holy Blood a book the Di Vinci Code was inspired by, you know a 'heretical' conspiracy text.
>The parallel - and I'm only drawing a parallel and not implying that 40K has any spiritual or religious basis - is the way in which the Christian church developed in the early centuries AD - the Emperor becomes a 'god' because he is treated as a god and a whole culture and belief system grows up around that. Which is why the Space Marines don't sit entirely comfortably within the Imperium - they are pre-'Emperor' and their traditions belong to a different and more rational age. Of course, all that has largely disappeared from the canon over the years - so you have to remember I'm talking about the original creation. GW's re-write has always been a lot simpler and - I sorry to say -crass! It's become what I sometimes summarise as 'Waaagh the Emperor!' - but the original idea was that the Space Marines have an older and more direct relationship with the Emperor analogous to that of the Knights Templar as keepers of the Holy Grail and so forth - I'm not saying that stuff is 'real' only that there's the parallel! The Holy Blood and the Holy Grail (book) had just come out at the time and I remember reading that - it's the book Dan Brown based The Da Vinci Code on. Hence you get a natural friction between the different factions within the Imperium - most of which are dependent upon willful self-delusion to some extent. Again - I draw the parallel with the history of the Christian church - the Great Schism - endless heresies and sectarianism - factions hunted down and destroyed (Prussian Crusade for example) and so on. In that respect, the Emperor in the 40K backstory is as much based on history as upon any fictional influences.
>priestly wasn't at all insipred by christianity
>proof?
>yeah, check out this paragraph of priestly rattling off dozens of references to real life christian history and how it inspired him
You're insane
he literally says
>and I'm only drawing a parallel and not implying that 40K has any spiritual or religious basis
>Again - I draw the parallel with the history of the Christian church -
People like you are idiots you just read what you want to read.
Hes literally fricking saying theres a parallel not that its supposed to be interpreted as religious and christian.
And he says his inspiration is the Holy Blood so its laughable you think a heretical book is Christian.
- I draw the parallel with the history of the Christian church -
Why do you keep making our arguments for us by quoting the text that proves you wrong? Are you okay?
>not implying that 40K has any spiritual or religious basis
>no religious basis
dumbfrick
>I draw the parallel with the history of the Christian church
Since you seem unable to read I reposted that for you. That has been everyone's argument this entire thread. Nobody has said 40k has some kind of "spiritual basis" or that the Imperium is christian, but it has parallels to it. Thanks for admitting that point.
There are plenty of trinities sure
>Perun, Mokosh, & Veles
>the Mother, the Maiden the Crone
But none of those trinities are specifically the idea of an omnipotent God, its own mortal vessel, & also a binding force throughout all creation. This is specifically Christian
>Priestly explicitly says its not religious
>moron thinks its Christian.
>people think 40k is Roman
Its actually turbo space america (america of the 22nd century)
how would wh40k look if imperium were "noble savage", compared to other civlizations, medieval catholics who live humble happy agrarian lives?
it would probably be like WF
A good chunk of the Imperium does live humble "happy" agrarian lives on Agri worlds. But there are also hellish Forge Worlds and Hive Worlds. The overall theme of the Imperium is a fusion between literally Paradise Lost (Horus Heresy), Roman Empire, and Catholic Medieval Europe; but the Imperium also takes influence from every other part of human history. We just don't see a lot of it from a civilian's perspective.
The world, once a symphony of milk-drunk gurgles, had devolved into a discordant opera of wails. Wee Horace, his fists clenched like a gnome's on payday, surveyed the battlefield from his bouncy chair. The enemy: a puree of parsnips, once promised as creamy gold, now sat mockingly on his plastic tray, a lumpy moat guarding the fortress of the bib.
Horace's brow, furrowed like a gnome's counting stolen turnips, glistened with the sweat of righteous fury. His chin, adorned with a bib stained the colour of a troll's hangover, jutted out like a rampaging dwarf's. His eyes, once pools of moonlit milk, now crackled with the green lightning of a discombobulated pixie.
He let out a roar that would make a troll wince, a noise that could curdle cheese and sour dragon's breath. It bounced off the walls, rattling the spoons in the dishwasher like startled boggarts. His tiny legs, like wind-up pistons, hammered a furious tattoo on the plastic tray, a drumbeat to the war cry of his empty belly.
The spoon, once a silver chariot to the land of mushy delight, lay abandoned, a fallen knight in the quagmire of parsnips. Horace, a dragon deprived of its hoard, reached out a chubby hand, his fingers like knobby sausages, and swatted the offending puree. It splattered across the tray, a viscous tide of vegetable ennui.
His mother, bless her heart, approached with the weary smile of a veteran of the nappy wars. "Come on, Horace," she crooned, her voice a soothing balm on the battlefield. "One spoonful for Mama, then we sing the dragon song, eh?"
But Horace was not to be bribed. He puffed out his cheeks, a tiny pufferfish armed with the deadliest weapon of all - the silent scream. And in that silence, in that vacuum of unmet needs, bloomed the most potent magic of all - the irresistible, unstoppable, world-altering force of a hungry baby's tantrum.
So the parsnips remained unconquered, a monument to Horace's righteous fury.
>Saint Fuk mias day
>get 2 (TWO) corpsestarch bars
>get too go home from work a full 10 minutes earlier
Is this guy saying Admech doesn't do enough rituals and prayers?
That's the funniest thing I heard in a while
Misc bait thread full of skub
The Imperium is actually fairly liberal on what interpretation of the God Emperor's faith you take, given how planets can sometimes go even centuries at a time without outside contact, so as long as people worship Big E, it's fine.
>one autistic man denies reality.
A whole thread needed to be dedicated to this?
It’s post-election tg. Tourists came and ruined this place.
>"The entire surface of Gryphonne IV is covered and encrusted with massive continent-sized factories, machine shops, and other such manufactorums. These places clank and hiss, constantly throwing up pollutants into the ravaged sky as tens of billions of servitors and their tech-priest masters toil night and day to produce munitions and tanks. To the adepts who labor here, the concept of rest is a dangerous blasphemy, for the armies of the Imperium in this part of the galaxy cannot function cannot function without the constant flow of war materials from this steel-skinned world." --4th ed rulebook
>the concept of rest is a dangerous blasphemy
in 40K religion, you honor the saints by working even harder on their feast-days.
This whole thread is pure condensed autism. I love it. Spergs really get bamboozled by the concept of religion.
absolute guarantee that bluecheck hasn't been to church a day in their lives
I thought your guys liked blue checks now
Oh boy what a cool and actually original thread topic! I'm sure many anons will post canon examples of Imperial holidays, or theorise on how over the top and grimdark they can actually be!
(OP here) This was literally all I wanted but instead i get whatever the frick all this was *sobs*
Actual OP here; I actually haven't posted any comments since i made the thread.
Sheesh this quickly went totally off the rails.
My opinion on the whole argument is that a) grimderp is moronic and bad writing, and is not the point of warhammer in opposition to what that other anon said and b) having everyone just stop critical operations for religious observances is funny dark absurdism and is more in-character for an exaggeratedly hyper-religious society
Also interrupting work or warfare for religious festivals isn't even exclusively a Christian thing
The Spartans were notorious for it
I was rereading Anabasis lately and it's pretty funny how every time even a minor decision comes up it's like 'alright guys bust out the sacrifices we'd better check these entrails'.