Is 2 better than 3? Always thought 2 is supposed to be the best but some Finn is saying 3 is better
>fish, metals, bugs, meteors and gems in varying rarities in the basegame and the expansion packs add more collectibles
seriously try it out again
Is 2 better than 3? Always thought 2 is supposed to be the best but some Finn is saying 3 is better
The open world just seemed like pointless padding and time wasting to me. Sims is doing stuff in your house
Made my homeless playthrough way more interesting though.
yes
Can I even expect an objective answer from /vr/? Many will probably say 2 is better because it's retro
No 2 is a sweet spot between gameplay and game feel
1 is fun but really difficult if you aren't into micromanaging
3 suffers from poor programming
>3 suffers from poor programming
How?
>fish, metals, bugs, meteors and gems in varying rarities in the basegame and the expansion packs add more collectibles
This sounds fun
3 is notoriously poorly coded resulting in the game reaching single digit framerate and taking several minutes to list unless you have it on an SSD by the time you have the last content pack for it, so unless you go out of your way for guides and mods to improve performance
>unless you have it on an SSD
Everyone has that today
I did not have this problem and I was running it from a 5400 RPM disk. Just don't install every single expansion and stuff pack.
>How?
Off the top of my head, the save file explodes in size because the game is constantly generating and saving thumbnails -- and NEVER deleting them.
If you go into create-a-sim and mess around with hair color or shirt patterns or whatever, every single change will cause a new thumbnail for that sim to be generated. According to a guy on Nraas, those thumbnails persist even if you revert the changes you made.
The greenhouse, which is a premium store item, requires cheats or mods to actually use, because it's "indoors" and plants can't be planted indoors. Also, plants go dormant in winter even if they're in the greenhouse. (Actually they can go dormant halfway through autumn and until halfway through spring, which totally breaks gardening. But that can be modded)
use any game starter mod and pick and choose only packs that matter to not bloat up your game. i personally just play with generations+seasons and nothing else because i am very grounded in reality player and those add to base game experience.
however sims 2 is still better game, albeit dating breaks the game pacing as you can just farm lifetime points in it which defeats the point of game having strict 'time limit' as you can just keep purchasing elixirs of life
>and pick and choose only packs that matter to not bloat up your game
If you need to surgically remove content from the game to make it run well then 2 is the better option since even with all the expansion packs it runs flawlessly
yeah, 2 is still better. and afaik it's the only game in the series where you can create fully functional apartment complex from scratch with no limit to amount of apartments, so things like khruschevkas are possible because of it, and i could reenact my ultimate slav dream in a video game, at last
WHAT? No fricking way i didn't know you could make apartments in 2. One of the reasons i play 3 is just because of the apartment shit.
it was literally the last expansion pack before working on TS3, it also added magic as well because when else are you going to do it?
I completely missed it, i'll definitely download this one when i decide to play again.
Also I just found out the latest Sims 4 EP is about apartments as well, but knowing how neutered that game is, it's probably not 1/10 as content rich as 2's version
I don't know much about 4, i just remember being quite the same in terms of graphics and content but having way less mods and being harder to find them
it's a miserable experience, it has reached to the point that on top of expansion and item packs, they now have game packs which introduce one game mechanic and that's it
Holy shit they're also more expensive, and i thought simpoints were already israeli enough.
Easiest way to sum up the Sims 4 :
Every action that every rendered Sim does is put in a queue. The more Sims being rendered, the longer the queue, the longer it takes to do every action in the game. The queue also includes random idle animations and animations that play when using furniture. Above ~30 Sims in my experience will often have needs be unable to be met, because the previously mentioned queue is full of idle animations, NPC Sims interacting, and animations of other Sims eating/drinking/using their phones
I really don't know how or why they coded this game so poorly but at least the Sims 1-3 exist
and sims 3 apartments are the worst kind. people give sims 3 too many credits, while due to open world it had to cut A LOT OF STUFF to make it run. sucks sims 3 is not retro or else it coulda been discussed as technologal marvel like all those backports of ps1 to N64 games, as sims 3 was very ambitious for its time
https://youtube.owacon.moe/watch?v=svNZA6DhZ-c
and worst of all is they could make sims 4 the perfect game just by fixing the shit of 3 but they still fricked up
4 is fricked by inception since it was built on a failed attempt to make an MMO
that's why it somehow runs on my retro machine. i can run all 4 sims games on it because of it. it's hilarious. at first i thought sims 4 was good at optimization, but then someone told me it was meant to be cross platform phone game... that's why it runs on low tier specs from late 2000s
every Sims game is fricked; all Sims 2 premade neighborhoods for example are already pre-corrupted and will eventually start fricking with your save
1 and 2 are actually retro
Every game is slow as absolute shit to load and likes lagging to absolute shit on contemporary and post contemporary hardware, and generally requires patches to run stably. Sims 2 requires one for Windows 10 compatibility, otherwise half the graphical effects don't work right. You're going to want it anyways, because better resolution settings
>How?
I thought it was common knowledge that 3 had terrible performance issues. Plus loading screens that could take well over two or three minutes on bigger save files.
I never played a Sims game
Theres a mod that basically clears memory every 10 minutes to mitigate the rampant memory leaks. I think that's probably how everyone plays it. It's hard limited to 4gb ram which really exacerbates the situation.
It's also a 32bit only application which at the time it was turning obsolete
try to play it through some generations
There are fixes, but you will need to mod the shit out of it. It'll work great after that, also limit your frame rate on Nvidia to 60, the game literally doesn't have a frame limiter, it'll always run poor without it.
you asked a question moron. maybe you should have let me know you wanted it in essay format
3 has more content overall but most of it catered to the facebook audience of gathering and cheevo hunting that was present in Farmville and such
2 has it flaws but it's the second most content rich entry including stuff that to this day they haven't reintroduced like forming your own business
I think 3 is better because the open world is such an obvious next step for the series that makes the game better. That being said it runs like shit and it feels like 2 did more with less. Still have to say 3
I live both, honestly.
I never played 3 but I liked 2, seemed to be mostly an upgrade to 1 but I thought sims aged too fast.
3 is the best but everyone is so fricking ugly. How can anyone fap to 3 when 3 exists ia beyond me. But gameplay wise if you play 4 you realize how moronic it is compared to 3, just an awful game. 2 is a balance between 3 and 4.
I'm sure after expansions 3 is not terrible, but it was kind of a letdown after 2 had things like cars that they pulled out of the base game and make you buy all over again. It's also where the whole "pudding face" meme began
Are these games actually comfy? Is there any other quality? Where do you get the dopamine from in this games?
Nowadays you're probably better off with Animal Crossing. Sims was nice because you could customize basically everything in the game, but now this is something you can do in almost any game, platformers, RPG's, GTA, etc. That and both users and EA started charging for stuff that should be free which I think was ultimately their downfall.
>this is something you can do in almost any game, platformers, RPG's, GTA, etc.
Maybe with soulless mods made by some Discord troons
That is basically what became of the Sims modding community after some time anyway, sadly
I do think characters like Xbox Avatar look more "fun" than Sims, though. Also Stable Diffusion/DALL-E 3 exists now if you just want to make fun realistic or anime characters
I played Sims 1 and there's the challenge of micromanaging your sim stats and get the better pay and social life.
Fell for the meme when first game came out. Boring as shit.
i preferred 2
not retro
The topic is if Sims 2, a retro game, is the best in its series
nice non retro stealth thread
only sims 1 fits the /vr/ as it's only game with will wright soul in it
I think 2 is better.
I don't like Sims 3 because it ages and kills off Sims you're not currently playing.
I want to play multiple families and control what's happening in the whole neighborhood.
If you're a hardcore role-player I guess that can work, but otherwise you end up with a neighborhood full of Yous.
I prefer to determine how the neighborhood starts, then sit back and see how it plays out with minimal interference.
2 is definitely the better game. People like the idea of 3, it sound amazing with the open world and all, but it's clunky and the game runs like ass even with the fixes. Anons will swear up and down that they have a magic setup that runs the game perfectly but even the people who have created the fixes admit that it will never run completely without issue. Most of the content released for the game just bogs it down. You can download the complete Sims 2 with all the Expansions and DLC and stuff without issue.
Though I liked 3 idea of an open world Sims game, the execution was terrible and made it a chore do to anything. 2 still, for me, the quintessential, Sims experience. Also, 3 models look like a bunch of tall ugly babies.
Default template 1 white girl (child/teen/adult) in Sims 2 is hot as frick compared to every other entry.
finally a real deciding factor
>TS1
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1gKoQyXQKPA9hTtywt8OWEZzb4-9615uaSlibAPGb5Oc/edit
>TS2
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1UT0HX3cO4xLft2KozGypU_N7ZcGQVr-54QD9asFsx5U/edit#heading=h.8da6kvufm5g5
>that house
pure soul
Pretty cool that TS1 and TS2 have these handy open source modern installers/guides. Are these linked in The Sims General on /vg/ too?
why thank you, anon
Is this widescreen patch any different from hex editing the resolution yourself? I remember hex editing working well except the relationship panel only showing 5 sims per page (the default 1024x768 shows 10) while buy menus used all the new available space properly.
>Is this widescreen patch any different from hex editing the resolution yourself?
nope
i actually have to edit hex myself regardless because i have very specific windows version (LTSB 2015) due to driver support, but that doesnt support some .net frameworks, and that patch needs one of them. so it's better to edit it yourself
The widescreen patch includes a directdraw wrapper which is needed to keep the game stable on modern hardware, it's not recommended to skip it and hex edit the game yourself.
sims 1 uses dgvoodoo wrapper to make it playable on modern hardware
I liked Sims 2 the best. I find the regular way to play the game kind of boring though. So instead I make the biggest lot I can on the map and then create a new sim and buy that lot and that way you end up with a huge empty lot and only like $1000 to start with. Then the challenge is to try to build it up to a huge mansion without dying or getting old. You end up having to start with just a tiny 9x9 or so size house with mostly no walls. And you have to pretty much get a job on the first day otherwise your sim will probably die from hunger. Most attempts don't work out, after a while I can tell i'm about to die so I start again. Going to work refills your hunger so that helps a bit, but I often lose my job on the first day for smelling bad or being in a bad mood, depending on the job. And I try to keep buying the elixir of life when I get up to that part so I don't get old, makes the challenge a bit harder for a while to have to make sure you have enough points to buy it all the time.
just like dating cheeses lifetime points, money can be cheesed with plant sims. you can basically trap those in sprinklers at their backs and catch fish literally infinitely at their fronts
that kinda gives me idea for sims 2 build though
one of those japanese style square homes that have big ass pond in the middle with stairs leading up to it
3 is overall best when it comes to pure quantity of things you can do. Plus the true open world style of the game was fantastic, though obviously fried computers back in the day with how optimized it could be without heavy modding.
2 had shit tons of soul though that 3 kinda lacked in some places. Felt a tiny bit more sterile then 2 did.
Man, I loved adding all sorts of mods to 2 back then, even some that added content from expansions for free. Spent whole days browsing furniture, clothes and terrain stuff and got the money cheat from gamewinners.
>even some that added content from expansions for free
Do tell, I never dwelled into modding 2 outside fixes because whenever I looked I only found item recolors or barbie doll hairstyles
Play the OG. Too much soul and care. Sims 2/3/4 is EASlop.
>b-but basements, 3 story buildings and aging
Yeah, I'll agree, it was nice to see that, but the music, vibe, humor, cutesy artstyle were all skewed targeting women and women only.
after hearing about some people's playthroughs over the years it depends on which one is the better outlet for coomers and would be criminals since i'm fairly certain that's the target audience.
I play for wacky shenigans and funny scenarios. But yes, unfortunately the people who play this game are vast majority cumbrains and middle aged cool wine aunts with cats
unless those wine aunts are black widows i doubt it. alot of the stuff i've see people do with their sims is some real serial killer shit.
i wish i still had the greentext of the guy who made himself and his friends in the sims and it ended in arson because he got cucked by one of his friends in the game.
>unless those wine aunts are black widows i doubt it.
That's because you're terminally online and lurk obsessively on /vg/'s sims general. Go talk to a girl and ask her what videogames she liked to play when she grew up. Chances are she'll either say Mario Kart or The Sims.
>Go talk to a girl and ask her what videogames she liked to play when she grew up Chances are she'll either say Mario Kart or The Sims.
every girl i know IRL who plays videogames plays weeb shit anon.
Generation gap i guess. The only anime thing women were even vaguely aware of when i was a kid was final fantasy and princess mononoke
What generation gap is that? The girl i knew played pokemon and gta.
Maybe you should learn how to use past and present tense then
>or The Sims
i actually had classmates girls who'd hang out with me only because i was the geek and only one who had gaming computer, they would come to my house just to play original sims
there is much deeper implications to that. girls never really changed, just power dynamic changed. in 2000s girls NEEDED the geek to setup computers for them so they could chat with their friends over icq or msn or whatever. now all girls just have smartphones so the role of the geek has been diminished, but in the end, women stayed the same. they never cared about men, just those they deemed useful for their benefit
>making friends to advance in career paths is a nightmare
>finally reach the top level
>sims out of nowhere decides to change careers and personally demotes himself
no frick off
the grind continues. it's what makes this game hooking. it feels like tactical rts like baldurs game than life sim if you play it now. you pause, give actions, unpause
>watching your progress get randomly reset is actually.... le good!
this right here is what people mean when they say will wright soul all over it. he got you good. you will never be satisfied. it's endless repetition of grind for pointless consumerism pleasures. your sim will never be happy, and so wont you
Yeah go chow down on your EA slop troony
>if you don't like the game fricking you over then you're a troony
this place has rotten your brain
I remember Sims 3 being notorious at launch and being poorly received, apparently it was a huge step down from 2, like even basic stuff like interactions and flexibility was ;imited compared to Sims 2. It's as if all the things learned from Sims 2 were thrown out the window for Sims 3, and it took them years to get 3 to become a proper normal proper sims game. Sorta like DICE does for every Battlefield game they release. interactions and flexibility being limited compared to Sims 2.
There's also the dlc complaints, apparently the sims 3 took things sims 2 already had and sold them as dlc for 3, or they split the content and features originally bundled in 1 dlc package for sims 2 into multiple dlcs for sims 3, trippling the dlc and justify their existence and force hardcore sims fans to get them.
I'm assuming after all these years their issues and complaints have been addressed, or fans have grown complacent and put up with it.
you confused it with sims 4
my apologies
The only thing I remember about Sims 2 is that it took forever to load (had the CD version) and crashed constantly. Agree with that others that both Maxis and EA never really understood what people liked about the first game, calling the sequels by the prototype name "Dollhouse" would make more sense for 3 and 4.
>that both Maxis and EA never really understood what people liked about the first game
The people that took over Maxis do not understand it, but Will Wright did. Sims 1 echoes the wit and charm of prior Sim games with all the hallmark dark subtle humor tied to it. Pic related: This shit wouldn't fly in a new Sims game especially with the eerie music that accompanied it.
I really liked it, but I get why some people hated it. The Sims is advertised as a game at the end of the day and is a game it's terrible. I hate The Line and Dark Souls 1 for similar reasons
It's a good message, yes, but a terrible idea for a game. Making new game plus part of the lore was clever in Dark Souls 1, too, but I wouldn't call it fun
Sims 3 open world was a good idea that failed execution because the "move out" mechanic means every non player household moves out and skips town constantly leading to dead neighbourhoods.
Sims 2 does everything better and runs like a dream
There was only ever one good Sims game.
What about Bustin' Out?
>playing any other edition except 2
>not playing an uberhood
why sim?
>uberhood
How optimized/non-buggy is it?
Its fine corruption is so overblown just dont delete sims and try not to use the dev tools in game. Theres a little file you can download that clears corruption every time you load up a lot.
Been playing this uberhood for like 8 years with the only rollback needed was when a mod destroyed butler ai so hed just stand on the lot not doing anything forever.
any torrent for sims 2? I can't find it in any legit store
search on archive.org for the sims 2 collection
i think i found the one that worked for me was on archiveorg which was ultimate collection
it must be modified because sims 2 not supposed to just work on modern windows, but that one did.
you still need to use some mods to fix it. like shadows gonna be fricked no matter what because they used some bitmap texture that is not supported on modern windows, period. so it's either you disable them, or mod new shadows that change code to modern standard