consoles will never die because that's where all the games get made. PC's only big releases in literally the past 10 years were playstation games. That's the state of the platform.
>PC's only big releases
Why do you care about big releases so much? Do you have the mental age of a 12 year old? You won't care about something unless it's big and popular? That's a pretty novel mindset for this place i'll give you that.
>Why do you care about big releases so much?
PCgays loves to boast about graphical capabilities of PCs yet best looking games on PC are PS4 games' ports such as God of War or Last of Us.
That doesn't answers my question, what does some old argument that hasn't been used in half a decade have anything to do with you praising goyslop as the only games worth paying attention to?
>that's where all the games get made.
All games are made on PC >PC's only big releases in literally the past 10 years were playstation games
Baldur's Gate 3 and Starfield are literally dominating Ganker
morons don't want to troubleshoot and have to toggle settings to get games to run well on their $500 dollar pc. They want to buy a shitty locked box to be able to play the latest garbage AAA so they can be like picrel
The most recent one is from 2 months ago. Also, just pirate and / or don't activate your Windows, as well as use a $10 keyboard and mouse to save even more money. And don't blow any money on a fancy monitor / TV.
games are running worse than ever, and on PC, even worse than that. there are mainstream games that will run like complete ass on that build simply because of VRAM requirements. 99% of consumers would be better off with a PS5 or xbox just on that alone.
If you crank the settings like some chimp then sure, but most mid range to lower end cards get by just fine on 1080p or even 1440p. The exaggerations you see on the performance of games comes from cranking the settings or trying to play at 4k.
I've seen some good deals locally. I saw a 3080 sell for 300 and others for 350. If you don't buy new you're eating good right now.
I built my current PC at $700 back in 2018 and it's still running latest releases at High settings.
Quite literally all you have to do is not be moronic and do some research on the best combo of items you can get out there for a decent price.
>I built my current PC at $700 back in 2018 and it's still running latest releases at High settings.
Latest releases being whatever FOTM indie trash you're into. A 700$ machine from half a decade ago absolutely cannot run current AA or AAA games at high settings.
>it's still running latest releases at High settings
kek sure it is buddy
NTA, but presuming he's talking about the RTX 2000 series cards, it's 100% feasible. Even the CPU's available from 2018 would still be usable today even if by now you'd consider upgrading them.
If he has an 2070 in that machine and is playing on 1080p he could easily get 30-60 fps even on unoptimized shit on high. Did you think he meant he was playing them at 4k 60?
>it's still running latest releases at High settings
kek sure it is buddy
He said high not highest. Setting games to high textures or other bits and the rest can be a bit lower. It's called not being a chimp about your graphics settings.
Some PC troubleshooting is absolute nonsense. >install original Splinter Cell >game crashes after the first cutscene >try absolutely everything to fix it >even the desperate shit like unplugging the mouse >nothing works >3 months later get the urge to give it another shot >works perfectly
Shit like this happens fairly frequently with me, and it can ruin an evening when you just wanted to play a game but have to troubleshoot for a couple of hours with no results.
>$500 dollar pc
More like $1000 dollaroos or more including upgrading parts and spending hours troubleshooting shit so it doesn't self delete vs just putting a game in a console and playing it
>$1000 dollaroos or more >for upgrading parts >spending hours troubleshooting shit
Seeing consolegays try to explain PC gaming never fails to crack me up. It's almost as funny as their plug'n'play cope which hasnt been true since the ps3
>under $500 >able to run modern games on max >without shitting itself
You want me to show you a PC that does something no console can, all while being cheaper to buy and build. Gotta love those double standards!
Oh btw, used 20XX cards go for a couple hundred dollars and will get the job done. Knock yourself out.
morons don't want to troubleshoot and have to toggle settings to get games to run well on their $500 dollar pc. They want to buy a shitty locked box to be able to play the latest garbage AAA so they can be like picrel
You aren't running any modern games with even okay graphics on a $500 PC. Meanwhile that same game ported to PS or Xbox will run very well.
>You aren't running any modern games with even okay graphics on a $500 PC
are you sure about that? >Ryzen 5 3600 = $200 >RTX 2060s = $80 or $0 if you already had that cpu before
1080p vs 1440p native >but Rift Apart...
Rift Apart is the only exception because it is a game designed for PS5, where no current configuration can reach the speed of the portals of the original console
Now that is the only game because if you look at all the others, Star Wars Jedi, Forspoken, Dead Space Remake, FFXVI, all are games that run between 1080p to 720p or less and with unstable framerate, but not on the components I just told you about
according to him if you already owned the parts it costs you $0
I already had those things years before, instead of going for PS4 or Xbox One I went for building a PC
Come on, it's not hard to understand how to upgrade the parts of a computer
Something similar to what you will do when PS5 Pro arrives
3600 is 90 quids
On Amazon it is at 90 dollars
anyway you can spend a little more and go for a better cpu
here is the video in case nobody believes me that it uses a cpu and gpu from 2019, and it performs better than a PS5, both in graphics, resolution and framerate
>DLSS
i can hate nvidia all i want, but DLSS is the real deal and is one of the best reasons to buy an nvidia card.
AMD (and consoles which are also AMD), has no answer.
What is the advantage of running a game at a worse native resolution?
Do you know that those who use DLSS 3 with Frame Generation to run a game at 100fps+ are running the native game at 1080p?
I understand that upscalers are useful for many things, and they could have existed before, but I also find it ridiculous that now most people, and devs, have to depend on it for a game to run stably, that used to happen on consoles and now it happens on PC
DLSS is horrible and I hate it. Gamedevs started relying on it with games like Remnant 2 too. I dread the day when games became unplayable without DLSS or FSR or Intel's reconstruction tech.
A 500$ pc can barely play minecraft.
A 300$ console can play pretty much any new games. This fact, however, is too much for overweight people to understand, perhaps because of their lack of contact to the outside world.
He is correct.
PC gaming is for gaming enthusiasts. It's not financially feasible for casual gamers to pour thousands of dollars into rigs that can run games at Max settings and frames when you can just toss $500 at a console to run games "well enough".
You can build a Series X-equivalent (if not slightly better) for $700. If you can afford a $550 console, you can afford a $700 PC.
You can do far better than a 6700XT if you don't only buy new. I've been building pcs for years and that's a rookie mistake. I can find locally 3080s for 320-380$.
There is a chance you can catch a miner card, but those still "work", the lifetime will just be shorter. You gotta remember some folks are always ooh shiny thing everytime something new pops up. Its a lottery of get fricked.
>$500 shit pc with the last couple decades worth of games running perfectly fine >$500 console sold at a loss with hardly anything to play, backwards comp to the previous gen at best.
thing with console gays and this "muh $500 pc cant run modern console games" shit is that the morons that buy console are also the morons that only play games that are A) currently relevant to talk about with their peers and B) have nothing to offer beyond their graphics.
i have a couple of those kinds of morons in my social circle. they talk about building their first PC and picking out parts and they always come up with those stupid expensive configs, talking about the latest AAA schlock they want to run on it and yadda yadda. and at the end of the day most of their playtime goes into CSGO, League or Bloons.
oh but they absolutely *need* that 4090 for those games and they absolutely *need* a top of the line CPU and they absolutely *need* 32 GB of RAM as if they do anything on that PC that would actually require even a fraction of that horsepower.
im on a 3060Ti and a 5800X3D and i actually considered going back to my 1060 6GB because the one game i bought the 3060 TI for ive finished and theres nothing on the horizon for me that i would need it for.
im going to stick with the 5800X3D because i do CAD and 3D printing and that shit is mostly CPU bound but i could probably still do with something more cost effective.
also *only* 16 GB of RAM even though i always have tons of programs and background tasks running and im not even capping it out
Correct, the console gamers buy and consume the latest slop like good goyims they are.
Not too different from an unthinking automaton that has been programmed to do specific tasks, I truly pity you
A $500 PC doesn't benefit from economies of scale, hardware homogeny, and game publishing subsidies in the same way consoles do. PC gaming is superior but there's a cost of admission.
If PC was the only platform playstation could still make hardware, think of a PS5 but instead of using its own OS it would use Linux or Windows. Maybe have their own launcher or DRM. But they could still make hardware and exclusives.
The hardware between current platforms is more or less the same, it's a software difference
No you're both right. I built a pc to play jap games and normal games at a better framerate and resolution. I don't play fps or strategy games so I technically don't play "pc" games.
>Noita >Cave Story >Rimworld >Fallout 1+2 >all RTS
I could keep going but if all of even your own personal favourites are on console you deserve the shit youre given
I'm playing Noita right now. You're an butthole for mentioning it in the same list as Cave Story and Fallout 1. Haven't played Rimworld, Fallout 2 is so-so.
>cant afford PC >can afford an underpowered, overpriced hunk of plastic and electronics with monthly fees. Can afford to buy games at full price, and will be able to afford the next overpriced and underpowered hunk of plastic and electronics when the mandatory upgrade time happens.
Consoles deserve death.
There are lots of enthusiast level markets that exist across all industry sectors that are not dependant on normie consumers. Even if the normal consumer didn't have access to games they would still get made, just for people with money. As one of those people I would be more than happy to pay more for a premium experience that doesn't associate with, or cater to, the lowest common denominators of society.
A 500$ pc can barely play minecraft.
A 300$ console can play pretty much any new games. This fact, however, is too much for overweight people to understand, perhaps because of their lack of contact to the outside world.
>"umm ackshually a 500$ pc can indeed run minecraft"
god fat people suck so hard at comebacks, go lose some weight fatty, i'll be watching you seethe and dilate while i play fifa 23 with the lads
>"u-umm excuse me s-sir, i think you've lost the argument since you stated that minecraft does not run on a 500$ computer, while in fact, it does! epic gamer win! dattebayo!"
get checked for autism buddy you're gonna need all the help you can get for understanding social cues
11 months ago
Anonymous
>makes claim about [GAME] >claim refuted, clearly has not played the game. >tries to motte-and-bailey out of it
A 500$ PC has way more games and will many of them better than a PS5.
>A 300$ console can play pretty much any new games
Last I checked, PS5s costs at least $400, extra $100 if you want the disc version
you can buy a Steam Deck (which is a full fledged PC) for the same price and enjoy a better and cheaper gaming experience
>a Steam Deck is not running at 4K at any usable FPS.
Neither does PS5 lmao.
FF16 unironically runs at 720p and not even consistent 60 fps. That's a handheld Switch resolution.
Elden Ring runs at a locked 4K resolution and gets the predictable 30-60 FPS. Can my Steam deck run Elden Ring at locked 4K with 30 FPS?
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's a PS4 game anon
Your 2013 console was already enough to play the game without spending $900 on scalped hardware
11 months ago
Anonymous
so can the Deck play at 4K with 30 FPS? that's what I was asking and for some reason you aren't answering.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>has a PS4 >still buys a PS5 to play a PS4 game instead of buying a PC for the same price
kek
11 months ago
Anonymous
I've never seen someone move the goal posts so hard, and by extension, completely self-own. this was fun, moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not even the guy you were talking to originally. I'm just wondering why you're acting all uppity just because you're a running a game optimized for 2013 hardware in a 2020 system
11 months ago
Anonymous
No but I can get a locked 30fps on elden ring with the steam deck. It can also run the new ratchet and clank nicely.
11 months ago
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Yeah at 720P lmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
The steam decks native screen is 800p. I fail to see how this is a bad thing. If it was a 1080p display then It would be a bad thing
11 months ago
Anonymous
No one scalps PS5s anymore when was the last time you left your house?
>j-just buy a glorified tablet instead... it's not like the nintendo... it's actually made by the epic gamer man, the saint of us fat people, le gabe "gamer" newell! p-people won't definitely laugh at you when you say you have one *dies of diabetes*
I'm not the one seething over normal people gaming the normal way. I just enjoy seeing fat people go into a diabetes induced frenzy because they desperately need to justify wasting 5000$ on a pc instead of 20$ monthly for a gym subscription.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You seem to have difficulties concentrating on the matter at the hand, we are discussing the steam deck which costs $400 not a $5000 PC that you seem to be treating as sour grapes
11 months ago
Anonymous
And I said that there's no reason to buy a glorified tablet when you can buy an actual console for the same price that will do the job way better with the extra of not making you look like a fricking dork when someone walks in your home (I know people don't walk in yours but we're normal people unlike you)
11 months ago
Anonymous
Normal way? Pc gaming is easier than ever. I returned to it after changing to console gaming for the ps4 generation and it's nowadays it really just is launch the game. If you're not moronic you can do basic settings management and get anything to look pretty and run well.
11 months ago
Anonymous
It's not the fact that it's easy or not. Of course it's easy, you don't honestly think you're a tech guru for downloading a goddamn game, do you? It's the fact that normal people use PCs for actual work, and a console for gaming. You're not gonna bring pals to your home for some coop and tell them "Please wait! I need to unplug my pc and then plug it into the tv HDMI and then load up steam and wait for it to update and then connect my controller oh shit the controller isn't connecting frick oh frick". You're just going to turn on your console, select the game and play. If you're proud of being a dork, that's cool, but society won't cater to your dork wishes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah and I'm trying to tell you that normal people pc game too. I game on lg c1 55 inch tv. Connected to a blutooth controller. Where I'm from the Ps4 and pc gaming are the big options. I've only seen a handfull of ps5s and one of those is mine.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Where I'm from the Ps4 and pc gaming are the big options.
Let me guess, you either live in Africa, South America or Eastern Europe.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Let me guess, you either live in Africa, South America or Eastern Europe.
If that's the case, why aren't Western Europeans and North Americans as smart as them?
11 months ago
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>You're not gonna bring pals to your home for some coop and tell them "Please wait!
No need.
11 months ago
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Not to mention I do setup and play couch coop games with my friends. It's easy dude. You just need to high an iq higher than like 60.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Is the obesity affecting your brain too, pal? No one said it's hard to. Any fricking person can do the things you said. It's just that it's moronic when you can just buy a console to do the same thing without you looking like a fricking loser. The only way people don't look at you weird when you tell them to couch co-op with you on a PC is because they're weirdos too. Grow up, manbaby.
Gaming wouldn't die, but we'd certainly see a significant change. As much as Ganker wants to believe it, PCs are still a turn-off for most people. Most can't build one, most don't even know what to get in a prebuilt, and most can't even operate them properly. Maybe we'd see an increase in Mac gaming if consoles died for good.
>can't afford a PC which has free games, free online multiplayer, lets you use 3rd party $10 chink controllers and only needs to replace specific parts to upgrade >can afford a PS5 which has $70 games, paid online, doesn't even let you use your old DS4 controller to play PS5 games because of ~~*reasons*~~ and will be outdated next year once the pro model comes out and you're forced to buy an entire new PS5 just to update it instead of replacing some parts
Yes, but mainly because I tend to agree with the seemingly least cancerous person in any given screencap. Since the “let consoles die” user has a female anime avatar, it’s immediately the most cancerous one in the argument.
games are built on pcs, tell me again why we downgrade them for peasants?
nobody can justify this btw
consoles are literally the only reason why raytraced mario 64 renders arent the baseline 10 years ago
peasant hardware neuters innovation and we are left with these hardware companies that release marginal increases in power when we very well could have normalized rtx 10 yesrs ago and have 10x the power we have today
Buddy, you're fat. You can't call people peasants. I don't know how it is in your gaming larp world, but in the real world, normal people dictate the rules. And for the rest of your lifetime, normal people will enjoy their gaming experience on consoles, as it was intended, and you will seethe and dilate until you choke on a hot pocket and die at the age of 32 while playing Nekopara 9.
>games are built on pcs, tell me again why we downgrade them for peasants?
Have you seen real PC exclusives mate? CSGO and Dota 2 and LOL can be played on toasters.
>actual gameplay >walk around in rpgmaker and battle in excel spreadsheets in order to save your trans friend from the evil cis people >repeat for the rest of PC exclusives >meanwhile in movie games, beat the shit out of gods or survive a badass zombie apocalypse
Do people not understand that a console is just a mass produced PC with some proprietary hardware, and running some proprietary software, made a bit cheaper than desktop PCs via economy of scale and the expected profits to be made by their companies via controllers, online subscription, and more difficult to pirate games? If consoles died as a concept, they would just be replaced with similarly cheap but price efficient PCs with increased controller support, mass produced and benefiting from economy of scale. Microshart is already starting to blur the line between windows and xbox.
Consoles already ruined PC gaming. Enjoy your mandatory updates and rapidly obsoleted hardware to play shittily optimised AAA games made by diversity hires.
>all these people saying that PC parts are too expensive >just spent $700 on a bunch of parts that turned my PC to a mid-high range machine that'll future-proof me for a while
You guys misinterpret how cheap PC actually is if you've already got one. Yes if you're building from actual scratch you'll need a bunch of cash but even if you only upgrade once a decade like you would with a console you won't need to replace things like the power supply or hard drives so you can shave off a couple hundred bucks unlike consoles where you have to rebuy the whole shebang every time.
"baww but monitors and mouse and keyboard are hundreds of dollars" says the convenient strawman. Yeah on console you still gotta buy a TV to go along with it so a $500 console goes to $1300 when you need a good TV to go with it. Then you gotta look into sourcing multiple controllers too.
>I keep seeing many parrot on how you need a 1000$+ pc to game
Even the fricking FTC tried that angle during the Activision hearing and judge called them moronic lmao
I would argue that both Sony and Microsoft could fully embrace PC and it would be for the better but not Nintendo. Nintendo is off doing their own thing with their weird ass gimmicks. And you can emulate those games on PC if you want to anyways.
Yes, gaming needs to die. There needs to be a scorched earth. Gaming is too profitable, games are no longer based on a few people's vision, they are driven algorithms and board groups to appeal to the maximum number of people. Kill off the biggest consumer base.
It's definitely cheaper. You could play the big AAA games from last year on a PS4 for less than 200 bucks. Doubt you could play Elden Ring on a PC worth that much.
I played Elden Ring on my old GTX 970 at medium settings, you can pick those up for like $70.
A solid HDD to go along with it is cheap as hell these days too.
Nah he's right I played Elden Ring at medium settings with 970 too me
He's right but not because of pricing but because consoles sets up a good baseline for what's to come. I bought a 970 for example when the PS4 and Xbone came out and I played games at 1080p/60 fps for years until I switched to 3060Ti last year. I intend to use this setup for almost 10 years too. Consoles are good at setting that trend just so PC players can follow. Without consoles setting the baseline I imagine how horrible it would be for PCgays to have to buy a card every 2 years or so to get stable 1080/60. Also most PC """games""" are just console ports that targets consoles. Real PC exclusives are games that can run on 20 year old hardware. Consoles dying would be horrible for PC and I say this as a PCgay.
btw. I think it's due to pirated version being better lol.
oh no way, dude I upgraded to a 3060 from a 970 too. I picked up a standard 3060 since they came in 12gb vram variants though. Hope you don't get fricked over on 8gb vram with how reliant newer games are on it.
ye, I could have too, but I had that rig from like 8 years ago and didn't need to tweak it for elden ring so I didn't need to buy a 2nd hand console :I
He's right but not because of pricing but because consoles sets up a good baseline for what's to come. I bought a 970 for example when the PS4 and Xbone came out and I played games at 1080p/60 fps for years until I switched to 3060Ti last year. I intend to use this setup for almost 10 years too. Consoles are good at setting that trend just so PC players can follow. Without consoles setting the baseline I imagine how horrible it would be for PCgays to have to buy a card every 2 years or so to get stable 1080/60. Also most PC """games""" are just console ports that targets consoles. Real PC exclusives are games that can run on 20 year old hardware. Consoles dying would be horrible for PC and I say this as a PCgay.
why are people still ok playing AAA titles sold primarily for their graphics graphics on 60 fps alongside massive drops while playing 1080p with terrible settings
Most people are tards and dont understand how bad they have it until someone physically demonstrates the difference between what they are getting and what they could have
And many react to that in anger because they dont like the idea that they've been had, sour grapes mentality ensues
yeah it's so dead it's the most popular pasttime in the world with dozens of titles of all different genres releasing daily with billions of dollars being made and invested. should be any day now!
PC has ALWAYS been the poorgay option. My parents never bought me a console as kid but they had a PC that I could play games on sometimes. 3rd worlders play dota on their craptop pc. Consoles are luxury goods because they cant be used productively like a shitty PC can.
>zoomoid doesnt understand poorgay life.
Back in my day children subsisted on free game demos and pirated games at 20 fps at 800x600 resolution on a crt monitor found in a junkyard.
>buy switch >have to rebuy classic games at full price >have to pay full price for games that are 3 years old because nintendo doesn’t slash prices >have to pay a subscription fee to play online with mediocre or terrible nintendo servers
Both are right.
PC has a higher up front in order to play the latest games cost but significantly less in the long run.
If all the extra production for consoles went in to parts then prices would go down albeit.
He’s right that not everybody can afford a PC, but he’s dead wrong that consoles dying would kill video games. He would just get priced out of playing the newest ones. Big fricking deal.
>there's an image/video of a $670 or something near that PC that outperforms every single dogshit console for the price of a console + 2 years of "imagine paying to be allowed to use your internet" online service
Eh, PlayStation should die since Sony and their fanbase perpetuates an unsustainable model of games in AAA gaming and bloated costs.
Everything else is fine.
Console gaming won’t ever die so long as gaming exists. >Every console we know ceases to exist >Some big brained exec: >Hmm you know, there’s an untapped market here. What if we made a simple kind of pc that focused on gaming for easy of use in the living room? >Consoles are reborn.
Give it up pc tards. There’s more danger of pcs becoming so streamlined and restricted they’ll be more like big phones than curated, sanitized, closed system console gaming dying.
A Steam Deck is $500 minimum, and will play games people care about for years >b-buh 30 FPS
Consoles now can't even do 1080p/60 >uhhhh storage
Storage is easily upgradable that a monkey could do it >LE LINUX
If you're a homosexual, you could make it boot/dual boot Windows
It's a great gateway PC, and I'm tired of hearing Black folks complain about price when it's been out for almost 2 years
Oops forgot to mention it was for the steam deck. They also sell these slower samsung 3.0 drives but I doubt you'll feel the speed difference to be honest.
>game devs forced to optimize their shit
Nooooooooo, everyone needs to have 4 hard drives to store 100 GB of 4k textures for each and every video game, stooooop
>all normies drop gaming >no more FIFAtards and CoDbabbies >big corps frick off, leave midsized studios alone to pander to people who like games
Don't threaten me with a good time, anon...
>>all normies drop gaming >>no more FIFAtards and CoDbabbies
They would pivot to Switch which would be horrible for PCgays. I don't want to play games that looks worse than PS2 games.
>They would pivot to Switch which would be horrible for PCgays
The frick it would, we don't give a shit about graphics as long as the game is good. Hell most people a PC don't go near modern games because most devs are chasing that graphical dragon and making the filesize bloat to unnecessarily large sizes even though as a game they're smaller than most gen 5 ones.
>we don't give a shit about graphics as long as the game is good
People shit on games like DQXIS or Deus Ex Director's Cut and play original because those are Nintendo ports lol.
Sure if you're a sonygay but they don't matter. The beauty of pc is that graphics don't matter because you can set it however the frick you like and mod shit in and out.
>The beauty of pc is that graphics don't matter because you can set it however the frick you like and mod shit in and out.
Is that why MonHun Rise sold like shit on PC compared to World? Even PCgays prefer PS4 ports over Switch ports.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Rise had less sales because they decided to go with the standard genius practice of making it a Switch exclusive during all the marketing hype and quietly releasing it on PC a year later.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Is that why MonHun Rise sold like shit on PC compared to World
You want to know why it sold less on PC? Because the switch version didn't run like ass like the ps4 version of world plus it had shit the pc version didn't namely local play and those amiibo exclusive layered armor.
In other words it proves my point.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Because the switch version didn't run like ass like the ps4 version of world
Wrong. >had shit the pc version didn't namely local play and those amiibo exclusive layered armor.
Who cares?
It sold like shit because PCgays prefer good graphics. How many of PCgays played Bloodborne PSX? How many of them would play a potential PC release?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Wrong
How is it wrong? Even when the game launched with issues on PC it ran at a higher framerate and loaded shit in much faster than the ps4 version.
Most people double dipped to the point where the pc version outsold the ps4 version. That's a testament to how shit it was. >It sold like shit because PCgays prefer good graphics
Yeah, no.
This is how I know you're not a pcgay or someone who gives a shit about gaming because graphics are the last thing everyone that isn't a sonygay cares about.
Performance comes above all else.
And that doesn't mean 60fps, no, that means stability. >How many of them would play a potential PC release?
What even is your point with this anyway? Bloodborne psx isn't even a full fricking game for starters so it's not a matter of graphics, as for the actual game it would probably sell circles around the ps4 version for two reasons.
1) the souls fanbase is larger on pc
2) the ps4 version runs like ass and you can't turn off the blur.
I have bloodborne and I love it but I would snap by disc for a PC version to appear right now because that game deserves better than to be locked on a shitty console that runs it worse than Zelda does botw despite being far less complex.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>How many of PCgays played Bloodborne PSX?
why would anyone? that's a shitty joke tech demo made by a freakish troony
>Great PC costs approximately $1200 on it's own, add another 200 for a great monitor, and another 150ish for a good mouse and keyboard.
What this gets you is a PC that will be able to play tens of thousands of games made for pc from the 70's to today, allow you to emulate about 75% of every console game ever released in history, an extremely flexible web browsing platform leagues better than any console, an equally flexible media server that can act as the centerpiece and equalizer to a whole home theater setup. You can also keep it trucking along for 5-6 years at a time only spending money when needed for incremental upgrades. Functionally unlimited storage.
all for a buy in of roughly $1500 maybe another $350-$400 for parts to upgrade over the next 5-10 years. all in all over a 5 year span on the hardware alone your looking at a breakdown of like $380 a year.
>PS5 is $650usd give or take, your monthly $21.99 PS Plus subscription (99% of people "too poor" to afford a pc never have $140 free to buy the cheaper annual sub, so they pay out the ass 21.99 x 12 so 265ish annually), $80 for a spare controller probably, and a TV that cost about $450 we'll say an average mid range modern tv.
What this gets you is a console running largely previous generation games at 1080 and 30fps, ALMOST 12 Exclusives(likely less than 10 in the next year), almost zero backwards compatibility outside of digital store ports that you cannot take with you to the next Console Gen. A Console unable to run current gen games at 1080 without constant framerates, minimal upgrade capacity, shit web browser functionality (ads ads ads ads ads),
all for a buy in of roughly $1180 for the initial hardware investment but if we look at it over a 5 year period those PS Plus subs add up to $1320usd. Making your 5 year investment apprximately $2499.40 so nearly $500 per year, JUST on maintaining the system alone.
tl;dr consoles are more expensive, only "affordable" to idiots
Of all the things to try and call me on. I actually low balled the TV number. The most common newly sold TV's in the USA are in the 60 inch range. Which easily sit in the $600+ range. As for PC Monitors, most people buy cheaper ones in the $120 range.
I overstated the average PC monitor cost, and understated the TV cost. You want to talk about fricking desperation pal. My position is objectively irrefutable.
I wish pc gaming would just die already. Nearly nothing of worth came from pc gaming meanwhile the games coming out of consoles, particularly from Japan, have revolutionized this industry and made it so enjoyable. How the frick can their be legitimate pc fanboys when all you Black folk get is generic shooters or RTS?
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PC gets pretty much everything outside of a small handful of exclusives, of which usually end up coming to PC anyway. There is no reason to buy a console when you can have more powerful hardware with more freedom.
Consoles are just a nicer experience and they're perfect for setting up in the living room. Imagine plugging in your rgb monstrosity into a tv. Everyone would laugh at you which is why PC gamers all play games by themselves in their dark, stinking bedrooms/basements. PCs are for losers who do things like install linux and configure their firewall settings.
>Imagine plugging in your rgb monstrosity into a tv.
I would be more embarrassed if I owned a PS5 which looks like a giant, triple oversized router from 15 years ago.
>turn the 7 layers of ray tracing off >shorten the draw distance >wow, like fricking magic it runs at 60+ FPS
The game only runs like shit because they try to force an insane amount of RT and stupidly long draw distance on by default and consoles don't have an option to turn it off, even on performance mode. You make performance mode on consoles shut off all the RT and scale the draw distance back and it will absolutely play at 4k/60 on PS5/XSX
My point is that PC is able to turn off the RT and lower the draw distance, and the game runs fine. And explaining why the game runs like dogshit on consoles - the insane amount of forced RT and ultra draw distances.
I have a feeling the PS4/X1 versions of the game will end up running BETTER than the current gen editions of the games because they'll strip out all the bullshit that slows Survivor to a crawl on modern consoles just to get it working on the older ones in the first place.
>if things were different and consoles didn't force options away from you it would totally run well!
Did you really think this sounded like a good argument?
>it will absolutely play at 4k/60
Nothing on console plays at 4K/60, upscaled to 4K is not 4K.
>Did you really think this sounded like a good argument?
It's an argument for whether or not it will perform decently on last gen hardware, and a valid one. See above. Survivor runs like shit due to forced RT and draw distance, the RT will be turned off the and draw distance substantially lowered in the last gen editions. >upscaled to 4k is not 4k
I didn't say it would run at a NATIVE 4k/60 now did I, homosexual?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>I didn't say it would run at a NATIVE 4k/60 now did I
then you might as well have said nothing at all because it's a totally superfluous and meaningless statement.
>if things were different and consoles didn't force options away from you it would totally run well!
Did you really think this sounded like a good argument?
>it will absolutely play at 4k/60
Nothing on console plays at 4K/60, upscaled to 4K is not 4K.
Nope. That's incompetent and/or lazy programmers. A PS5 should be good enough. Look how good Last of Us 2 looked on a PS4. It's actually AAA dreck made by lazy programmers that is holding gaming back. We would get better games if they stopped pushing graphics.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>A PS5 should be good enough
Yes, but games will be locked to 30 fps if they don't want to have games at sub-HD resolutions. >Look how good Last of Us 2 looked on a PS4
It is the same example as Rift Apart on PS5, because they are first-party studios that have exclusive and dedicated resources to make their games as good as possible.
Third-party studios don't have access to those resources and therefore have to resort to things like UE5 or Unity, which also won't be well optimized on current gen consoles
11 months ago
Anonymous
>We would get better games if they stopped pushing graphic
Like Nintendo consoles right?
I came to the same conclusion, and I play mainly on PC
I am so glad I found this comment, anon, let me ask you this, what do you think happened to God of War or Uncharted franchise once some of their games became available on PC? Why do you act like Sony permanently signed an agreement where they vowed to bring all their games to PC? The original Uncharted games aren't on there, so as God of War games, so as Infamous games, those franchises are exclusive to PS, period, just because you got a taste of them doesn't mean they left their "house" so to speak. Letting you play one game from one franchise doesn't make it that franchise as a whole automatically non-exclusive.
>I think that X >No, X is not that >Okay, X is not that, but.. but..
You're pathetic.
And since you didn't actually response to my argument, you therefore agreed with it. Thank you,
You have no argument. There are no exclusives left that literally anyone gives a frick about, except one. In 2009 people relentlessly mocked unsharted. No one fricking cares about it, or nu-GoW.
Devs aren't making pc exclusives anymore and are shitting out terrible pc poets because they know consoles are a better market. The biggest pc launch of the year is available on consoles.
Consoles need you to justify buying their shit hardware and being forced on their walled garden where you have no freedom and have to pay to use your own internet. They do that with exclusive bait. PC hardware stands on its own. It doesn't need exclusives to lure people on to the platform.
This >There are no exclusives left
At the very least contradicts this >anyone gives a frick about, except one.
So make up your mind, either they have exclusive games, and we take them all into account or they don't, because people like yourself all of the sudden now pretend like older games don't exist anymore, which is just pathetic, because if this argument wasn't about Sony, people would be defending their precious older titles like their life depends on it.
>There are no exclusives left >At the very least contradicts this >anyone gives a frick about, except one.
It really doesn't. Please point to the PS5 exclusive anyone cares about. The only game you can point to that would mildly interest anyone is a game from 8 fricking years ago. That's just desperation at that point.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>That's just desperation at this point.
The only desperation I see is that no matter what, even if it means pretending like the only games that matter are recent AAA games, people would go into cardiac arrest, but won't admit a simple truth that PS5 was and is a successful console. >Please point to the PS5 exclusive anyone cares about.
I mean, I can point at any and you will still find the audience for it, is this really the argument that you want to make? Because what you're saying is that the only games that matter are the ones that came out over the last 3 years, older titles they don't count because.. that doesn't align with your argument and therefore makes it invalid?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>even if it means pretending like the only games that matter are recent AAA games >older titles they don't count because
Older titles don't count because PS3 and anything before it can just be emulated. My point is that there is virtually no exclusive from the last 2 gens you can point to that the average PCgay would give a single frick about except Bloodborne. That's literally it. 1 (ONE) game. They sure as frick don't care about nu-GoW or Ratchet and Clank or Returnal or Spiderman and they don't care about old shitty movie games like Unsharted or TLoU either.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Older titles don't count
Of course they don't. >because PS3 and anything before it can just be emulated
If you have a PC strong enough to handle PS3 emulation, sure, I don't see how it makes older titles non-exclusive, you're still emulating a PS3, but on a PC, without the emulator you can't do anything with the ROM but to look at it, and on top of that you need PS3 firmware, so you are essentially playing on a console that run on PC. When you will find a way to play that downloaded ROM directly from your PC without PS3 firmware and emulation, you can come back to this thread. >My point is that there is virtually no exclusive from the last 2 gens you can point to that the average PCgay would give a single frick about except Bloodborne.
Why would I care about PC gays? Especially the average one? Especially what they think? The average PC gay will tell you that the console is bad because his $10000 PC performs better and somehow will find a way to feel good about himself, while Jim over here spent half of the money that he did and still got the same if not better in some cases experience, because console games are in a variety of cases better optimized. >They sure as frick don't care about nu-GoW or Ratchet and Clank or Returnal or Spiderman and they don't care about old shitty movie games like Unsharted or TLoU either.
I don't care either, except Uncharted and TLOU, but there are plenty of people who do, just like there are people who care about older games in general.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>If you have a PC strong enough to handle PS3 emulation, sure
A fricking steam deck can run Demon's Souls at 120fps. If you have a remotely decent CPU from the last 7 years you can do PS3 emulation.
>even though you're playing it on PC, it doesn't count! because uhhh ...you need to download readily available firmware to go with your readily available rom
nice cope bro
>Why would I care about PC gays?
Okay, let me expand the argument. Does literally anyone give a frick about unsharted games? Because those games were bundled with PS4s like horizon is now and people were just throwing them in the trash. Even you are conceding that you don't give a frick about the vast majority of the games I listed and the two you say you do care about are literal, low effort TPS movie games.
>The average PC gay will tell you that the console is bad because his $10000 PC performs better >muh $1,000,000,000 PC
More deranged consolegay cope.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Well, that is a really nice compliment, you tried to use my argument against me, I am glad that you found it so effective. >Does literally anyone give a frick about unsharted games?
Yes, I do, and like I said, you either count all of them or none of them.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes, I do
You're in the minority. No one would care if the entire series came to PC. This is the only way snoys know how to shitpost because it's the last thread they can grasp at
How many AAA exclusives has PC had in the last decade? 3? If that? This is just more of the eternal salt that they'll NEVER get Bloodborne lol. Lmao even!
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You're in the minority.
Can you prove it though? Even then, it still shatters your argument. Yes, there are people that care about older games, move along.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Can you prove it though?
Like I said, people were throwing unsharted copies away. You couldn't trade it in for anything, the disc was worthless. And this isn't about older games. It's about you desperately grasping on to a handful of games on the PS4 that aren't even good.
>Gaming 'dies' >actually just fifa and AAAslop >games return to the golden age of smaller, more experimental, with more developers freed from hebrewic investors and ESG
IM FROM VIDYAS AIRES AND I SAY KILL EM ALL!
PC gaming is for gaming enthusiasts. It's not financially feasible for casual gamers to pour thousands of dollars into rigs that can run games at Max settings and frames when you can just toss $500 at a console to run games "well enough".
Nope, PC is the new sour grapes. PS5's console exclusives are pretty bad and the good ones have been ported over to PC with superior performance and quality.
>ported over to PC with superior performance and quality.
Ratchet's PC version is worse though.
Rise had less sales because they decided to go with the standard genius practice of making it a Switch exclusive during all the marketing hype and quietly releasing it on PC a year later.
World came to PC one year after console version. It was even a longer wait than Rise's 6 months.
>Ratchet's PC version is worse though.
that is a game for children like you, your opinions doesn't matter at all
>Older titles don't count
Of course they don't. >because PS3 and anything before it can just be emulated
If you have a PC strong enough to handle PS3 emulation, sure, I don't see how it makes older titles non-exclusive, you're still emulating a PS3, but on a PC, without the emulator you can't do anything with the ROM but to look at it, and on top of that you need PS3 firmware, so you are essentially playing on a console that run on PC. When you will find a way to play that downloaded ROM directly from your PC without PS3 firmware and emulation, you can come back to this thread. >My point is that there is virtually no exclusive from the last 2 gens you can point to that the average PCgay would give a single frick about except Bloodborne.
Why would I care about PC gays? Especially the average one? Especially what they think? The average PC gay will tell you that the console is bad because his $10000 PC performs better and somehow will find a way to feel good about himself, while Jim over here spent half of the money that he did and still got the same if not better in some cases experience, because console games are in a variety of cases better optimized. >They sure as frick don't care about nu-GoW or Ratchet and Clank or Returnal or Spiderman and they don't care about old shitty movie games like Unsharted or TLoU either.
I don't care either, except Uncharted and TLOU, but there are plenty of people who do, just like there are people who care about older games in general.
>If you have a PC strong enough to handle PS3 emulation, sure
Now I see why you only posted one video, lmao, sit your ass down.
11 months ago
Anonymous
TLOU and GTAV can be ran natively on the deck, and uncharted is an interactive movie marketed to the lowest common denominator.
Are you trying to demonstrate the power of your double digit IQ?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>TLOU and GTAV can be ran natively on the deck
The argument was not about native games, it was about PS3 emulation.
And even then, fine, here, more to add to your cope.
Play GT5 natively on Steam Deck.
Play Infamous 2 natively on Steam Deck, do I need to send you more?
This is what I am telling, frickers on Ganker will NEVER accept that their argument might be wrong or slightly invalid, they will back down so much to the point where they can't even make sense of what they just said, truly pathetic.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Emulation development goes toward optimizing the games people actually care about playing. There is no reason for RPCS3 devs to improve a game like TLoU when 1, no one cares and 2, it's already native anyway. Demon's Souls is like the whole reason a lot of people bought PS3s so naturally, that game has been worked on to death to the point that it can impressively run on shit hardware. It's the same reason if you try to run BotW on yuzu, it sucks ass. Why would yuzu developers put effort into a game that already runs flawlessly on cemu? It would just be a waste of time.
>TLOU and GTAV can be ran natively on the deck
The argument was not about native games, it was about PS3 emulation.
And even then, fine, here, more to add to your cope.
Play GT5 natively on Steam Deck.
Play Infamous 2 natively on Steam Deck, do I need to send you more?
This is what I am telling, frickers on Ganker will NEVER accept that their argument might be wrong or slightly invalid, they will back down so much to the point where they can't even make sense of what they just said, truly pathetic.
The argument was about the fact that if a game isn't native, you can just emulate it. There is no reason to ever emulate an already native game unless it's a very special case where the port is so horrendously poorly optimized that it's actually worth considering emulation overhead. And the fact that a steam deck, a fricking handheld with a shitty 15W APU can emulate PS3 would have been like black magic a decade ago. It's still impressive given what it is.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The argument was about the fact that if a game isn't native, you can just emulate it.
Look, I don't even know who I am talking to anymore, this whole debacle started because I said that if you want to objectively view the exclusivity thing, then you have to take every game into account, then the person backed down and said that all of the sudden older games don't matter, because if they did he would lose his argument, then he said that you can still emulate them on PC, which I said I agree with, but then you forget the part where you still need PS3 firmware and an emulator to do so, it's not a native experience, therefore it has to be taken for what it is, emulation, not native experience that Sony decided to bring to PC with older titles, but I am all for emulation if you ask me, just because we are talking about this, it reminded me to install RPCS3 myself and give it a try. If you want to say, or whoever it was, that PS5 had a small amount of native exclusive games for PS5 then that's all you had to say, I would say, sure, instead he or whoever it was had to say that Sony has no exclusives whatsoever, I said that it was wrong, because older titles must be included as well, and that's how we ended up here.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>then the person backed down and said that all of the sudden older games don't matter
That's not the argument. The argument was there are no exclusives left that anyone cares about that can't just be emulated except for Bloodborne. You said uncharted and I said that shit was mocked to hell and back in the early 2010s and people were throwing away the bundled disk that came with PS4s.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The argument was there are no exclusives left that anyone cares about
To which I said, can you prove it? Because if at least one person does, then the argument is invalid, but the truth is, and you know it too, there are more than just one person, and even if they are minority, what all of the sudden their taste doesn't matter? >except for Bloodborne
Played it, I still have no idea what so special about it, just buy a dirt cheap PS4 slim, play the game, then resell it. >You said uncharted and I said that shit was mocked to hell and back in the early 2010s and people were throwing away the bundled disk that came with PS4s.
I was playing PS2 in 2010, I am way out of the loop, but Uncharted at least to me is a good game, but my opinion doesn't count because.. then the argument would also be lost, because I am a minority, which makes me right, but still makes me wrong somehow according to you.
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm pretty sure you were responding to at least three different anons in this thread >Played it, I still have no idea what so special about it
What exclusives did you enjoy on PS4/PS5 that would make them worth getting for?
I'm genuinely curious as I'm trying to find a reason for buying the newer playstation systems because I'm an idort with money to burn.
So far, I can't seem to find any reasons that would make the playstations objectively worth getting in this era. And the deck has pretty much removed the need for nintendo's switch (which is building up dust on my shelves atm)
>then the person backed down and said that all of the sudden older games don't matter
That's not the argument. The argument was there are no exclusives left that anyone cares about that can't just be emulated except for Bloodborne. You said uncharted and I said that shit was mocked to hell and back in the early 2010s and people were throwing away the bundled disk that came with PS4s.
This anon is correct, the last exclusive that people truly cared about here is Bloodborne, and once the PS4 emulator is out, the community developers would rush to develop optimizations specifically for Bloodborne.
Microsoft saw this coming hence the reason they no longer actively develop xbox exclusive games nowadays
11 months ago
Anonymous
>What exclusives did you enjoy on PS4/PS5 that would make them worth getting for?
I didn't buy it because I wanted to play exclusives, at least not only because I wanted to play exclusives, this goes way back, but to save you time, I don't like digital "ownership", because I had a library of 200+ games that was taken away from me, and even though those were games that I claimed for free from EGS, it still hurt me a lot, but it's a long story, so I will spare you the details decided to go fully physical, and consoles are still capable of giving me just that, physical games anywhere I want, no internet required(at least the games that I play), on top of that I always wanted to play TLOU games, as well as plenty of others, Ghost of Tsushima ended up being a wonderful game, I loved it for what it was, but still found it a bit weak compared to something like The Witcher. Back to PS5, I realized that if I were only to care about exclusives, then perhaps getting a console isn't for me, because it's expensive to play only what 5 games, I know that there is more, but I only cared about 5, two TLOU games, GOW, GOT, Gran Turismo 7, I decided that it would be a wrong move to take, so I went it with the idea to switch from gaming PC entirely(I had my reasons, I don't care if it seems like a bad idea to someone) but I wanted to do it anyway, and so I did.
What I said here won't apply to everyone, but this is why I bought a PS5, and since you asked, here is my response.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You write like a rambling Dostoevsky character. I like the cut of your jib
11 months ago
Anonymous
Thanks?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Thank you for giving your honest opinion, which is a rarity here.
I had a ps2 and xbox 360 until I saved up enough money to build a PC. I've never really considered switching to consoles as the main reason I got a PC was so I can get into modding fallout 3/nv and skyrim which has been and is still the best gaming experience I've ever had. >I had a library of 200+ games that was taken away from me
that's pretty fricked up, anon, what did you do?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>that's pretty fricked up, anon, what did you do?
I was a schizo who convinced himself that migrating all your accounts to a new e-mail address every three months is good privacy and security practice, but EGS had a different opinion about it, one day I change my email like normal and then I get the red message that reads something like: >You are limited to only one alternative email on your account
This seemed odd, considering that you can't add an alternative email to your account, you can only have your main one, but I just brushed it off, what I couldn't brush off is that the button to change a new email address was greyed out, I couldn't change it, so if anything was to happen to this email, whether it will get compromised or I will lose access to it, that's it, my account will be ownerless technically, so I wrote to the support and they said that the only way to get rid of this message is to verify the ownership, by giving your IP, first username, first e-mail, receipts(I only ever claimed free games, so there were no receipts), but sure, I gave them that and it worked, I could change my email again, and so.. I did, except this time everything that I just did with the support person didn't work, and they simply said - We are freezing your account because we couldn't verify the ownership, have a good day. >mfw
I am not stupid enough to break TOS when I have that much games in my library, that I gathered for so long. And changing your emails, even once every three months isn't against TOS, EGS themselves allow to do that every 3 months, it's your choice.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>We are freezing your account because we couldn't verify the ownership
I used to work in the customer service industry, you should be able to get this resolved by acting like a karen and asking for their supervisor, be outraged but do not insult the pajeet agent and you can get your account back
11 months ago
Anonymous
It was 2 years ago, I don't even have the credentials anymore, but what I do remember is that this freezing was permanent from their words, that's all. I mean, fine, I never paid a dime for those games, I shouldn't beat myself over it, I just wanted to get as close as possible to owning games, that no one cat take away, plus it's just comfy with a controller for me.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>This anon is correct, the last exclusive that people truly cared about here is Bloodborne >here
Okay, I will take your word for it. >and once the PS4 emulator is out, the community developers would rush to develop optimizations specifically for Bloodborne.
Great, like I said, I am all for emulation, I just hope that there won't be another game like Bloodborne to take over the Ganker for PS5 or PS6, because then you might be dead by the time it reaches the point where we can emulate those.
>PS5 = 500 dollars + 70 dollars per game + 60 dollars per year for the duration of the gen to use the internet connection you already pay for to play multiplayer games >PC = 700 dollars one time for a better machine that can actually play shit at 1440p/4k native instead of 800p upscaled + tons of stores where you can get games cheap or you can just pirate, plus you can emulate, plus you can use it for a multitude of things besides vidya
Yeah hard choice there, you're missing out on the 1 timed exclusive per year you'd get on the PS5.
Most people who are actually poor but have an interest in video games seem to have old PCs that they milk for every last droplet of value for their hobby. Just look at some poorer regions of the world, the perception always seems to be that consoles are expensive as frick and people use low-end PCs. Consoles are just tools to extract money from morons with the myth that they're cheap or good value.
Well, they play what they can. They're poor, after all, that's the point. They make due with what they can get for cheap. It's not like there's a lack of good PC games which are either old or just lightweight in general. You don't need to play the latest AAA garbomancy abomination, most of them aren't worth playing in the first place.
>PS1 exclusives: 500+ >PS2 exclusives: 500+ >PS3 exclusives: 150+ >PS4 exclusives: 50+ >PS5 exclusives: 6, one of which is releasing next year on other platforms, two of which are shit VR titles, one of which is a dead multiplayer title, and one of which is a PS3 game >Xbox exclusives: all on PC
That's all you need to know about the current absolute state of consoles. Exclusives were the only reason to get them and they don't even have those anymore. Not to mention you have to pay Sony a $120 per year goy tax to play *select* PS1/PS2/PSP titles, when just about the entire library of all three of those is emulatable on a complete toaster let alone a semi-decent modern PC.
>Demon's Souls Remake
A ps3 game >Astro's Playroom >Horizon VR >Some other VR title I forget
Then you don't have a game >Destruction All Stars >R-type Final 3
This is essentially am expansion to 2 and not a full game >FFXVI (timed)
And yeah you acknowledged that's going to leave
>but they count some shit like the MGS collection.
Yeah, a lot of them aren't actually exclusives like DoA 5 Ultimate:Core fighters. That's just a free version of DoA 5 that you can get on xbox.
It needs some major cleaning up.
Consoles are already dead, Sony and Xbox(always were) are just locked down budget PC's, and Nintendos are glorified phones.
They only continue to exist because they're big brands and non-white friendly(computers are raysis).
Console tards spend just as much paying the premium on software and services, in the end, it's just a way to milk poors.
>Sony and Xbox(always were) are just locked down budget PC's
That wasn't really true until the PS4. When the PS2 came out it was fairly strong and the Xbox was stronger than any PC you could make at the time for a short while, same with the 360, and the Cell CPU in the PS3 actually was one of the better CPUs at the time even though it made it moronic to develop games for and caused it to get really shit multiplat ports.
Only if you exclusively play AAA games which all console players do. AAA have such a stranglehold on the normies that they keep releasing these unoptimized pieces of of bloat
Because indians, chinks, hues, and other lower humanoid lifeforms can afford mobile phones.
Why would you play phone games if you're white and not a woman?
Yes, I bought a PS5 purely because I didn't have the money to build a new PC that won't be unable to play new games within a year and won't have that money anytime soon. Certain games like BG3 I just have to make do with on low settings because you don't play a CRPG on a console but I'm mostly console gaming from now on.
No he's wrong.
If you kill consoles you'll force devs to optimize games hard for PCs so that more people can play their games. Ergo, a $500 PC would then be enough to play games at console settings and above.
Killing consoles wouldn’t give us better PC games. People aren’t even upgrading their PCs right now because GPU prices are ludicrous thanks to crypto and AI gays
How many AAA exclusives has PC had in the last decade? 3? If that? This is just more of the eternal salt that they'll NEVER get Bloodborne lol. Lmao even!
>hurr if you can afford a $500 console you can afford a $500 PC
Most people don't buy them at full price.
They wait for deals.
Also just because you can get a $500 PC, you need to invest more if it's your first one in general or first upgrade in a long time.
A monitor isn't that cheap either
If you bought a PS5 at anytime before earlier this year odds are you paid over MSRP for it. They haven't even done any price cuts on one at major retailers as far as I'm aware, outside of maybe some free game bundle deals.
>consoles have a significantly higher long term cost on stagnating hardware
what?
PC survived the first console crash, it will survive the second. Get bent scrub.
>PC survived the first console crash
That dumb meme that only affected NA?
Yeah PC and PC games were doing fine but during that time Japan was doing their own thing and it went really, really well
The american can only corrupt and scam, just look at the old pioneers in western video games. They're mostly forgotten, got scammed out of their company and returned to become conartists when Kickstarter came
$70 games and paying for your own internet
vs
constant sales, key sellers discounting even brand new games, piracy and not paying twice to use your own internet
There are constant sales on consoles now and with physical media it’s even easier to get games for absolutely nothing. Also not everyone pays for online
How much does Disco Elysium cost on consoles? At the largest discounted price
as that's a big title on numerous platforms at that. Right now I can grab it for ~10$, less if I'm willing to wait a month
heck pick any multi-platform game. PC runs laps around consoles in actually offerring a reasonable price for old content
11 months ago
Anonymous
The Final Cut version in the Switch goes down to $13 often that’s how much I spent anyway
How much does Disco Elysium cost on consoles? At the largest discounted price
as that's a big title on numerous platforms at that. Right now I can grab it for ~10$, less if I'm willing to wait a month
heck pick any multi-platform game. PC runs laps around consoles in actually offerring a reasonable price for old content
Do you know what else have constant sales?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Physical media?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Ho yes, your mom is going to be physicial media. I can assure you.
>constant sales
lmao
That's console. Go look at physical games, sometimes the price on Amazon is even cheaper when the game is on sale on digital storefronts.
This was the case for PC too, you could often get a PC game for cheap in stores. I bought DOOM Eternal (PC) for 10€, sure it was just a game code in a case but still
Then there is used. A used copy of a game has been useless for PC for decades but on console it's still possible.
Also don't forget that games never drop in price in digital stores. Sometimes, before a sale, they increase the base price too
> key sellers discounting even brand new games
Also on console I think, they have keys since the PS3/360 gen I think. I don't know about this, I never looked into it >piracy
Again, also possible on console. At least after some time.
>"""physical media"""
lol
That fricking sucks and we can blame PC for that.
Physical copies is what made consoles a good, viable option
>IT'S PC USER'S FAULT
lol homie so ignorant he thinks consoles didn't gut discs before PCs
type less, you're doing a very poor job doing what you think you are
11 months ago
Anonymous
You can get a used game for console and play online.
Impossible for at least for most PC games since the 2000s
>type less
No, you will experience my unfiltered thoughts in an unrefined format
11 months ago
Anonymous
>You can get a used game for console and play online.
Sure let me go buy a used copy of Uncharted 3 and see how many people are on the multiplayer
Oh wait...
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Sure let me go buy a used copy of Uncharted 3 and see how many people are on the multiplayer >Oh wait...
Moving the goalpost...
Anyways (just like on PC) some games still have a dedicated fanbase. Look at MGO2, that has fanservers running
>and we can blame PC for that.
The blame literally comes from Sony because they pushed this high fieldelity install bullshit in gen 7 and they don't do gaming PCs
11 months ago
Anonymous
>games are only installed on PlayStation consoles
What the frick are you even talking about, smooth brain
11 months ago
Anonymous
Are you being moronic on purpose?
Anon the whole download thing doesn't come from pcs, they've been doing that shit for years.
It all began with the rampant bullshit Sony allowed.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Steam started in 2004 anon and PC games have had unique keys needed to install games for as long as I’ve been alive at least. What are you even talking about
11 months ago
Anonymous
You have no idea what I'm talking about. Anon, consoles have always dictated the industry, steam wasn't even a major player until about 2010
11 months ago
Anonymous
My point was about physical getting shafted.
Physical copies for PC have been about the keys since the 2000s, for multiplayer at least
Yeah probably
But I don't think it's that people can't afford PCs they just have no reason to get them when consoles already meet their basic needs
It's kind of like if you only drink 1 cup of Folgers a day you don't need to buy a professional grade espresso machine
You just need a cheap simple brewer that is fairly automatic and just werks
There has been room for both consoles and computers for decades. People asking for the death of consoles seem to be coming from a bitter place. I'd rather they be fixed than killed. Xbox and Playstation becoming more and more homogenized is honestly pretty sad, Nintendo is still holding down the fort, but we don't even have the handheld market anymore.
Now that AIBlack folk are taking all the graphics cards for their AI farms and until room temperate SuperConductors are confirmed real and used daily, it's impossible to build a good powerfuk PC without blowing up your house.
I want to get into PC building despite my income because I feel like I can never just play a game anymore without my PC killing itself over a few years of using it. Not to mention, the stress of killing it just because I had one gram of electricity in my body when touching shit then OOPS computer completely gone. It's why I stick to prebuild just so I can at least HAVE a working thing even if it's too weak to run Minecraft.
There is probably some truth to it but I honestly don't think it would be that big of a problem. Also, in the future everyone's computer will just be a streamed OS so everyone will just play games on that horror machine.
You’re right. I just wanted to price match but it’s more like
$3000 sofa
$800 entertainment center
$1200 oled 4K TV
2 extra dualsense for a total of $140 (tax excluded)
2 new games for a total of $140 (tax excluded)
3 years of PS+ for $255
$200 gold plated HDMI, can’t forget the cables :^)
that’ll be $5,735 plus tip (tax and cost of the console was excluded from this total)
A TV and couch are expected pieces of furniture that you need if your are to be a functional adult with friends and a girlfriend. A PC monitor is for people who live alone and play in a goon cave which is why they’re so ugly. These are not equivalent
If you are an adult with a job you should have a monitor lying around. It won’t be 1440p 144hz but that’s irrelevant to this absurd argument that normal people don’t have monitors.
gaming would be much better without consoles >less technical limitations >no longer need to pander games towards brainless NPC fifa players
consoles are a blight, they're the reason triple-A games suck
I'd love for this to happen, but the market will always follow the supply/demand laws. It'll never be cheap as long as nvidia has a stranglehold on the market, and people aren't going to stop buying their products anytime soon.
Considering your average ITX build is already almost console sized I'd agree with him, but them I remember the ROG 4090 is the size of a PS5 and they had plans to release an even bigger one.
Everyone can afford a gaming PC if they know what they're doing and they know what they need. The only issue is that the ideal PC gaming set up is pricey but you can easily work around it and use what you currently have or need to your advantage.
If you are say a college student or in need of a [new] laptop, then you can afford to spend the price of a console to buy a higher spec laptop that is much better for games.
If you're looking at getting a desktop, then you don't really need to spend any additional money on a monitor as you can use any HDTV as a half decent PC monitor. Throw on a wireless mouse and keyboard and you'll be fine even if you have to sit further away.
As for the other guy's statement, the only consoles that justify thier own existence are Nintendo ones due to novelty, portability and quality exclusive software. There really isn't a great selling point to the PS5, and the best, and really only great thing about Xbox is Game Pass, which you can just get on PC and it only is worth it if you actually play a bunch of games on it. Modern consoles don't have the simple plug-in and play aspects they used to, they're just cheap, weak PCs with less utility.
TL;DR version: PC gaming is affordable if you're not an idiot and if Nintendo is the only company that can justify the continued existence of consoles
PC is the dying platform though, everybody plays on mom and dad's 15+ year old shit and when it dies nobody goes for a new pc, they prefer a phone or a tablet
I dont know what's funnier about this OP
The implicit admission that consoles are for poorgays
that poorgays actually believe the gaming industry gives two fricks about their broke wallets
the broke brown consolegays itt running damage control
OP posted a twatter screencap and didnt get banned
everyone but nintendo loses money on every console sale subsidizing the hardeware so they can lock you into their walled software garden, PC can't really compete with that on anything but getting you into 20 year old games and piracy. Gaben doesn't give you 50% off on GPU purchases like Sony and Microsoft do
if consoles would cease to exist I'd simply just stop playing games yes
I am comfortable with Apple ecosystem for work and I wont buy a desktop at 28
I hope my next company gives me a nice, powerful work PC so I can replay NV one more time and have rounds of Middle eart 2 and Age of Mythology from time to time but apart from that I have no intention to play PC games anymore
Console vs pc gaming is the ultimate poor person mentality filter. Console is cheaper up front but then you’re paying $70-80 for every new game in addition to paying a monthly sub to use internet.
A pc gamer gets heavy discounts if they choose to pay at all for their games. Over a generation of a console the pc gamer will spend far less overall. Not to mention everything else that pc does that consoles can’t.
Everybody can afford a PC and even if "consoles" die, you have prebuilts. Just stick a sony or microsoft logo on them for brandcucks so they don't get confused.
Consoles gobble up a ton of computer part resources and cost more than the sum of their parts are worth
Without consoles more resources can go to creating independent parts thus lowering prices making custom pc building more accessible, and the best part about building your own computer is that it will never at all in any way possibly cost more than a sum of its parts
Crysis all the way back in 2007 was the last time a developer tried to push PC past consoles and they went running to the 360 and PS3. PC simply isn't a viable platform for anything but F2P.
PC doesn't need a market of games incapable of running on consoles. It just needs better hardware/more freedom than consoles, which it has.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Are you legitimately moronic? Like how do you dress yourself and not comprehend simple information?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>PC is not a viable platform because consoles are holding back video games
Your 'argument' is nonsense.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Crysis flops as a PC power showcase >No one revisits the concept over 15 years later >Why did consoles do this?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>as a PC power showcase
A 4K60fps gameplay video is a PC power showcase, buddy. Do you even know what you're trying to say at this point?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Console ports
Do you, 'nonny-kun?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>inferior ports that prove consoles are holding gaming back
It speaks for itself, no?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>PC's best looking games are console ports >PC exclusives look far worse >This means consoles are holding PC back
The self-contained PC market can only fund low budget and F2P, it's not much better than mobile, really.
You're dodging the point. PC doesn't need any exclusives and always wins out in graphical fidelity. It's because of the advantages of PC hardware over consoles and unparalleled user freedom that it exists as a market in the first place.
>unparalleled user freedom >Stuck with digital only
e-girlng my ass off.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Enjoy your restrictive walled garden, paying to use your own internet and not being allowed to do what you want with your own hardware, bro. I will enjoy modding and even pirating my games.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're awfully angry for a guy who's "happy" to own nothing.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>le own nothing
I actually own my hardware. You don't.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>actually own my hardware
Now imagine owning a game!
You don't own games you can't mod
And you own a game you can't buy, sell or trade? roflmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
>he's so poor he cant afford to actually keep his games
I pity you, I really do
11 months ago
Anonymous
You don't own games you can't mod
11 months ago
Anonymous
>even the shittiest PC ports look better than the same native console games >PCs run at high framerates and resolutions while emulating consoles >consoles somehow aren't holding back gaming
11 months ago
Anonymous
>self-contained
lmao that is and was always a consolecope since it's common knowledge consoles dont stand a chance in direct conflict when their games get ported to PC. picrel
11 months ago
Anonymous
>direct conflict
lmao you're talking about toys. PC doesn't get high fidelity games when left to it's own eco system. These is nothing else to say, there is no comeback.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Considering consoles need to render games at 720p and then stretch + FSR them to be able to hit even 30 FPS at "4k", yes native 4k 60 is a showcase for PC even for a "console port."
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why would anyone willingly cut themselves off from a bunch of markets when they can sell on all platforms instead? It's just a dumb business decision that doesn't work unless a console manufacturer is paying them for it. Any game can demonstrate the power of PC through graphics settings, resolution and framerate while still tapping into console markets. This is why every time a consolegay brings up PC not having exclusives they genuinely just aren't equipped for the conversation and are suffering from brainrot.
11 months ago
Anonymous
PC has exclusives. Countless in fact. But what do they look like? Why are the best looking PC games console ports?
11 months ago
Anonymous
You're dodging the point. PC doesn't need any exclusives and always wins out in graphical fidelity. It's because of the advantages of PC hardware over consoles and unparalleled user freedom that it exists as a market in the first place.
>NOOO PCS ARE TOO EXPENSIVE >Yes I will pay a yearly subscription fee for the privilege of playing my games online for the entire console generation, put up with worse game sales, and I will rebuy my games every console generation, what do you mean? Nintendo can charge $60 for their games till the end of time and I won't have a problem with it 🙂
>worse game sales
Is this 2010? The sales are literally exactly the same. >Nintendo can charge $60 for their games till the end of time and I won't have a problem with it 🙂
God forbid a game retain value. Gotta buy those digital licenses!
>complaining about getting israeliteed and paying full price for old games as opposed to sucking nintendo's dick for the privilege of paying full price for half decade old games
you are a cultist
Physical copies are usually cheaper than any digital sale and aren't time-limited.
Nintendo games rarely use "value", even used some morons expect to resell the game for almost full price
>console manchild tries to debate against PC's >reveals they have no fricking idea what they're talking about
Every single time.
Look, I also hate overpriced garbage PC parts but your are in no way forced to get them, maybe unless you are playing the most unoptimized AAA slop which runs like hot garbage regardless of the platform.
I also feel kind of sad because I did see the point of owning a console in the past. Great exlusives, no installing, optimized performance, "it just works". All of that is gone now.
I'm a poor Balkan slav Black person and I could afford a new PC with a RTX 3070 in 2020. You westerners have no fricking excuse to be gaming on consoles in 2023.
Isn't a console plus 5 games like $900?
You can definitely afford a PC with that kind of money and then enjoy constant sales, cheap games and even piracy if that's your thing.
If you "can't afford a pc" you have more important things to take care of instead of videogames. Beef up that savings account, get those retirement investments in order, etc.
>$10 for a Windows key >A minimum of $20 for both the mouse and keyboard >A monitor that isn't factored in the cost unless you're willing to factor a $200-1000 TV into the cost of a console >Cables that are either shipped with the rig if its a precon or sold with the parts if not
That adds $30 unless you're talking about Canadian money (worthless)
>k*ll
Zoomers and gen alpha will bring about the advent of newspeak all on their own through just how much they pointlessly self-censor over their fears of baseless rumors of "THE ALGORITHM" censoring them.
Also frick your twitter screencap thread.
Pc of course meaning >LE EBIN BATTLESTATION RGB RTX X080 GO BIG OR GO HOME HAHA
Meanwhile consoles basically all have 10 year old mid range hardware with a modern ssd. A comparable pc is the same price or less, usually less.
yes
yes, let consoles die
Consoles are already dead, they're just locked-down PCs sold at a loss now.
consoles will never die because that's where all the games get made. PC's only big releases in literally the past 10 years were playstation games. That's the state of the platform.
>he says on the day baldurs gate 3 releases
The multiplat?
made for pc, ported to consoles. just like snoy games are made for console and ported to pc, but you can use a controller on pc also.
Pc can emulate consoles
>PC's only big releases
Why do you care about big releases so much? Do you have the mental age of a 12 year old? You won't care about something unless it's big and popular? That's a pretty novel mindset for this place i'll give you that.
>Why do you care about big releases so much?
PCgays loves to boast about graphical capabilities of PCs yet best looking games on PC are PS4 games' ports such as God of War or Last of Us.
That doesn't answers my question, what does some old argument that hasn't been used in half a decade have anything to do with you praising goyslop as the only games worth paying attention to?
>because that's where all the games get made
WHAT THE FRICK AM I READING.You can program games on consoles now??
Moronic PC gamer luddite.
Morning ESL,learn fricking English
Moronic PC gamer luddite. Go back to your overpriced lego.
>that's where all the games get made.
All games are made on PC
>PC's only big releases in literally the past 10 years were playstation games
Baldur's Gate 3 and Starfield are literally dominating Ganker
>gaming dies with it
Good.
.
tsmt
consoles die, gaming dies, simple as
PC survived the first console crash, it will survive the second. Get bent scrub.
Not in today age
Correct on all accounts, and hopefully that's what happens.
>can afford $500 console
>can't afford $500 pc
morons don't want to troubleshoot and have to toggle settings to get games to run well on their $500 dollar pc. They want to buy a shitty locked box to be able to play the latest garbage AAA so they can be like picrel
>$500 gaming PC
what is this, 2010?
I've seen some good deals locally. I saw a 3080 sell for 300 and others for 350. If you don't buy new you're eating good right now.
https://www.youtube.com/@LinusTechTips/search?query=$500
The most recent one is from 2 months ago. Also, just pirate and / or don't activate your Windows, as well as use a $10 keyboard and mouse to save even more money. And don't blow any money on a fancy monitor / TV.
games are running worse than ever, and on PC, even worse than that. there are mainstream games that will run like complete ass on that build simply because of VRAM requirements. 99% of consumers would be better off with a PS5 or xbox just on that alone.
If you crank the settings like some chimp then sure, but most mid range to lower end cards get by just fine on 1080p or even 1440p. The exaggerations you see on the performance of games comes from cranking the settings or trying to play at 4k.
>people choose convenience instead of wasting hours changing settings so the game runs at 22fps instead of 20
I built my current PC at $700 back in 2018 and it's still running latest releases at High settings.
Quite literally all you have to do is not be moronic and do some research on the best combo of items you can get out there for a decent price.
>I built my current PC at $700 back in 2018 and it's still running latest releases at High settings.
Latest releases being whatever FOTM indie trash you're into. A 700$ machine from half a decade ago absolutely cannot run current AA or AAA games at high settings.
>lalallalalalla i dont hear you
Black person behavior both of you
NTA, but presuming he's talking about the RTX 2000 series cards, it's 100% feasible. Even the CPU's available from 2018 would still be usable today even if by now you'd consider upgrading them.
My current craptop prebuilt with tech that would be considered "Great" in at the absolute latest 2017 can run Callisto Protocol on High.
If he has an 2070 in that machine and is playing on 1080p he could easily get 30-60 fps even on unoptimized shit on high. Did you think he meant he was playing them at 4k 60?
>it's still running latest releases at High settings
kek sure it is buddy
>I built my current PC at $700 back in 2018 and it's still running latest releases at High settings.
Nope lmfao.
He said high not highest. Setting games to high textures or other bits and the rest can be a bit lower. It's called not being a chimp about your graphics settings.
If I’m already not being a chimp about graphics I might as well just buy a console
>monthly goy fees
>$69.99 games
good luck with that, buddy
I don’t play online video games
>$69.99 for the latest singleplayer game
or
>$0.00 for the latest singleplayer game
You are subhuman if you are paying for singleplayer games
I buy them for $20 at Walmart on clearance
>paying for singleplayer games when you can get them for free
I've won this argument, submit to me and let me frick your butthole
>he
is a big boy, let him speak for himself.
>morons don't want to troubleshoot
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Some PC troubleshooting is absolute nonsense.
>install original Splinter Cell
>game crashes after the first cutscene
>try absolutely everything to fix it
>even the desperate shit like unplugging the mouse
>nothing works
>3 months later get the urge to give it another shot
>works perfectly
Shit like this happens fairly frequently with me, and it can ruin an evening when you just wanted to play a game but have to troubleshoot for a couple of hours with no results.
cool non-sequitur my man.
>game runs bad on console
>nothing you can do
>game runs bad on pc
>turn off vsync
>$500 dollar pc
More like $1000 dollaroos or more including upgrading parts and spending hours troubleshooting shit so it doesn't self delete vs just putting a game in a console and playing it
>$1000 dollaroos or more
>for upgrading parts
>spending hours troubleshooting shit
Seeing consolegays try to explain PC gaming never fails to crack me up. It's almost as funny as their plug'n'play cope which hasnt been true since the ps3
pls show me a complete under $500 PC build able to run modern games on max without shitting itself I would really like to know
>under $500
>able to run modern games on max
>without shitting itself
You want me to show you a PC that does something no console can, all while being cheaper to buy and build. Gotta love those double standards!
Oh btw, used 20XX cards go for a couple hundred dollars and will get the job done. Knock yourself out.
>$500
>run modern games on max
'next gen' consoles can't even run games at 1080p or keep a stable framerate.
You aren't running any modern games with even okay graphics on a $500 PC. Meanwhile that same game ported to PS or Xbox will run very well.
>PS or Xbox will run very well
hahahahhah
>You aren't running any modern games with even okay graphics on a $500 PC
are you sure about that?
>Ryzen 5 3600 = $200
>RTX 2060s = $80 or $0 if you already had that cpu before
1080p vs 1440p native
>but Rift Apart...
Rift Apart is the only exception because it is a game designed for PS5, where no current configuration can reach the speed of the portals of the original console
Now that is the only game because if you look at all the others, Star Wars Jedi, Forspoken, Dead Space Remake, FFXVI, all are games that run between 1080p to 720p or less and with unstable framerate, but not on the components I just told you about
What about the PSU, motherboard, RAM, case, and storage?
according to him if you already owned the parts it costs you $0
I already had those things years before, instead of going for PS4 or Xbox One I went for building a PC
Come on, it's not hard to understand how to upgrade the parts of a computer
Something similar to what you will do when PS5 Pro arrives
On Amazon it is at 90 dollars
anyway you can spend a little more and go for a better cpu
here is the video in case nobody believes me that it uses a cpu and gpu from 2019, and it performs better than a PS5, both in graphics, resolution and framerate
>DLSS
i can hate nvidia all i want, but DLSS is the real deal and is one of the best reasons to buy an nvidia card.
AMD (and consoles which are also AMD), has no answer.
it's junk
looks terrible
there's no reason not to just turn down a couple superficial settings if you can't hit a res or fps
Looked good everytime i saw it, but those settings should be turned down anyways.
What is the advantage of running a game at a worse native resolution?
Do you know that those who use DLSS 3 with Frame Generation to run a game at 100fps+ are running the native game at 1080p?
I understand that upscalers are useful for many things, and they could have existed before, but I also find it ridiculous that now most people, and devs, have to depend on it for a game to run stably, that used to happen on consoles and now it happens on PC
DLSS is horrible and I hate it. Gamedevs started relying on it with games like Remnant 2 too. I dread the day when games became unplayable without DLSS or FSR or Intel's reconstruction tech.
>raise resolution to avoid artifacts
>add artifact to compensate for raising resolution
it will never stoip being moronic
3600 is 90 quids
>modern games
>worth playing
Graphics settings barely do shit these days.
You can build a Series X-equivalent (if not slightly better) for $700. If you can afford a $550 console, you can afford a $700 PC.
You can do far better than a 6700XT if you don't only buy new. I've been building pcs for years and that's a rookie mistake. I can find locally 3080s for 320-380$.
I thought gpus were one of the only parts you shouldn't ever buy second hand like psus
There is a chance you can catch a miner card, but those still "work", the lifetime will just be shorter. You gotta remember some folks are always ooh shiny thing everytime something new pops up. Its a lottery of get fricked.
I've never had an issue buying second hand, but you do make a good point. I guess almost double check the seller, and ask questions about its usage.
Yup. Series S is $300. If modern devs weren’t braindamaged and stopped shitting out unoptimized crap then it would be all anyone needed for 1080p
>You aren't running any modern games with even okay graphics on a $500 PC.
>Yup.
Objectively wrong.
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>i3-12100F
>RX 6600
not bad
look this dummies
with ram, ssd, case, everything still cost $500
>PS or Xbox will run very well
at low settings 720p lol
>$500 shit pc with the last couple decades worth of games running perfectly fine
>$500 console sold at a loss with hardly anything to play, backwards comp to the previous gen at best.
thing with console gays and this "muh $500 pc cant run modern console games" shit is that the morons that buy console are also the morons that only play games that are A) currently relevant to talk about with their peers and B) have nothing to offer beyond their graphics.
i have a couple of those kinds of morons in my social circle. they talk about building their first PC and picking out parts and they always come up with those stupid expensive configs, talking about the latest AAA schlock they want to run on it and yadda yadda. and at the end of the day most of their playtime goes into CSGO, League or Bloons.
oh but they absolutely *need* that 4090 for those games and they absolutely *need* a top of the line CPU and they absolutely *need* 32 GB of RAM as if they do anything on that PC that would actually require even a fraction of that horsepower.
im on a 3060Ti and a 5800X3D and i actually considered going back to my 1060 6GB because the one game i bought the 3060 TI for ive finished and theres nothing on the horizon for me that i would need it for.
im going to stick with the 5800X3D because i do CAD and 3D printing and that shit is mostly CPU bound but i could probably still do with something more cost effective.
also *only* 16 GB of RAM even though i always have tons of programs and background tasks running and im not even capping it out
Console morons think you NEED to spend 3000 dollars on a PC yearly to play videogames.
Console players don’t think about PC at all they just buy and play video games
Console players don't think.
Correct, the console gamers buy and consume the latest slop like good goyims they are.
Not too different from an unthinking automaton that has been programmed to do specific tasks, I truly pity you
>Console players don’t think about PC
Tendies don't
Xbots don't
Sonygays on the other hand...
>Tendies don't
lol
homie, the people you call tendies usually are PCgays.
And?
A $500 pc will never have the performance of a mass produced ps5/series x
It will if you mass produce it
They tried that with Steam machines and they bombed worse than the Wii U
Black person Technology
A $500 PC doesn't benefit from economies of scale, hardware homogeny, and game publishing subsidies in the same way consoles do. PC gaming is superior but there's a cost of admission.
Good. Frick AAA and AA gaming.
If PC was the only platform playstation could still make hardware, think of a PS5 but instead of using its own OS it would use Linux or Windows. Maybe have their own launcher or DRM. But they could still make hardware and exclusives.
The hardware between current platforms is more or less the same, it's a software difference
In a sense, the best games on PC are console titles, nearly all of them
If it's on pc then it's not a console title
Made for consoles, pretty much every japanese title that comes to PC was made for consoles.
No you're both right. I built a pc to play jap games and normal games at a better framerate and resolution. I don't play fps or strategy games so I technically don't play "pc" games.
>Noita
>Cave Story
>Rimworld
>Fallout 1+2
>all RTS
I could keep going but if all of even your own personal favourites are on console you deserve the shit youre given
If you start mentioning older titles then i could mention emulation
I'm playing Noita right now. You're an butthole for mentioning it in the same list as Cave Story and Fallout 1. Haven't played Rimworld, Fallout 2 is so-so.
>I'm playing Noita right now. You're an butthole for mentioning it in the same list as Cave Story and Fallout 1.
Why?
Because it's nowhere on the same level.
>DBHispanic can't afford a PC
Naturally
historically, yes.
however, smart phones exist now, so i think companies would just pivot to mobile.
the deck is cheaper compared to the PS5, that homosexual in the twitter screencap is just moronic
>cant afford PC
>can afford an underpowered, overpriced hunk of plastic and electronics with monthly fees. Can afford to buy games at full price, and will be able to afford the next overpriced and underpowered hunk of plastic and electronics when the mandatory upgrade time happens.
Consoles deserve death.
There are lots of enthusiast level markets that exist across all industry sectors that are not dependant on normie consumers. Even if the normal consumer didn't have access to games they would still get made, just for people with money. As one of those people I would be more than happy to pay more for a premium experience that doesn't associate with, or cater to, the lowest common denominators of society.
>I would be more than happy to pay more
morons like you need to neck yourselves
did you read the rest of his sentence or are you just parsing out sections of comments to be outraged by?
You're replying to a low RAM AI.
>hurr durr I want to pay more for a ~~*premium*~~ goyslop station with monthly fees
If it excludes morons like you, most definitely. Like a yacht club for vidya.
>proud of paying extra for less
only in America.
It's amazing how little words like this mean to you when you aren't a poorgay and the lives of poorgays have zero impact on how you enjoy your life.
>Not
>Everybody
>Can
>Afford
>A
>PC
If you can afford a console, you can afford a PC.
A 500$ pc can barely play minecraft.
A 300$ console can play pretty much any new games. This fact, however, is too much for overweight people to understand, perhaps because of their lack of contact to the outside world.
A console can't play java MC, and bedrock runs on a potato.
You're moronic.
>"umm ackshually a 500$ pc can indeed run minecraft"
god fat people suck so hard at comebacks, go lose some weight fatty, i'll be watching you seethe and dilate while i play fifa 23 with the lads
>Can't get basic facts right
>"COPE!"
why mention a games you've never played? Oh wait this is Ganker.
>"u-umm excuse me s-sir, i think you've lost the argument since you stated that minecraft does not run on a 500$ computer, while in fact, it does! epic gamer win! dattebayo!"
get checked for autism buddy you're gonna need all the help you can get for understanding social cues
>makes claim about [GAME]
>claim refuted, clearly has not played the game.
>tries to motte-and-bailey out of it
A 500$ PC has way more games and will many of them better than a PS5.
>A 300$ console can play pretty much any new games
Last I checked, PS5s costs at least $400, extra $100 if you want the disc version
you can buy a Steam Deck (which is a full fledged PC) for the same price and enjoy a better and cheaper gaming experience
a Steam Deck is not running at 4K at any usable FPS. some people might want to sit on their couch and use a big TV
>a Steam Deck is not running at 4K at any usable FPS.
Neither does PS5 lmao.
FF16 unironically runs at 720p and not even consistent 60 fps. That's a handheld Switch resolution.
Elden Ring runs at a locked 4K resolution and gets the predictable 30-60 FPS. Can my Steam deck run Elden Ring at locked 4K with 30 FPS?
That's a PS4 game anon
Your 2013 console was already enough to play the game without spending $900 on scalped hardware
so can the Deck play at 4K with 30 FPS? that's what I was asking and for some reason you aren't answering.
>has a PS4
>still buys a PS5 to play a PS4 game instead of buying a PC for the same price
kek
I've never seen someone move the goal posts so hard, and by extension, completely self-own. this was fun, moron.
I'm not even the guy you were talking to originally. I'm just wondering why you're acting all uppity just because you're a running a game optimized for 2013 hardware in a 2020 system
No but I can get a locked 30fps on elden ring with the steam deck. It can also run the new ratchet and clank nicely.
Yeah at 720P lmao
The steam decks native screen is 800p. I fail to see how this is a bad thing. If it was a 1080p display then It would be a bad thing
No one scalps PS5s anymore when was the last time you left your house?
How well does the deck run FFXVI?
as well as Starfield on PS5
If you're buying a console along with a 4k tv to make use of that resolution, you can probably afford a PC.
>j-just buy a glorified tablet instead... it's not like the nintendo... it's actually made by the epic gamer man, the saint of us fat people, le gabe "gamer" newell! p-people won't definitely laugh at you when you say you have one *dies of diabetes*
you appear to be upset, friend
I'm not the one seething over normal people gaming the normal way. I just enjoy seeing fat people go into a diabetes induced frenzy because they desperately need to justify wasting 5000$ on a pc instead of 20$ monthly for a gym subscription.
You seem to have difficulties concentrating on the matter at the hand, we are discussing the steam deck which costs $400 not a $5000 PC that you seem to be treating as sour grapes
And I said that there's no reason to buy a glorified tablet when you can buy an actual console for the same price that will do the job way better with the extra of not making you look like a fricking dork when someone walks in your home (I know people don't walk in yours but we're normal people unlike you)
Normal way? Pc gaming is easier than ever. I returned to it after changing to console gaming for the ps4 generation and it's nowadays it really just is launch the game. If you're not moronic you can do basic settings management and get anything to look pretty and run well.
It's not the fact that it's easy or not. Of course it's easy, you don't honestly think you're a tech guru for downloading a goddamn game, do you? It's the fact that normal people use PCs for actual work, and a console for gaming. You're not gonna bring pals to your home for some coop and tell them "Please wait! I need to unplug my pc and then plug it into the tv HDMI and then load up steam and wait for it to update and then connect my controller oh shit the controller isn't connecting frick oh frick". You're just going to turn on your console, select the game and play. If you're proud of being a dork, that's cool, but society won't cater to your dork wishes.
Yeah and I'm trying to tell you that normal people pc game too. I game on lg c1 55 inch tv. Connected to a blutooth controller. Where I'm from the Ps4 and pc gaming are the big options. I've only seen a handfull of ps5s and one of those is mine.
>Where I'm from the Ps4 and pc gaming are the big options.
Let me guess, you either live in Africa, South America or Eastern Europe.
>Let me guess, you either live in Africa, South America or Eastern Europe.
If that's the case, why aren't Western Europeans and North Americans as smart as them?
>You're not gonna bring pals to your home for some coop and tell them "Please wait!
No need.
Not to mention I do setup and play couch coop games with my friends. It's easy dude. You just need to high an iq higher than like 60.
Is the obesity affecting your brain too, pal? No one said it's hard to. Any fricking person can do the things you said. It's just that it's moronic when you can just buy a console to do the same thing without you looking like a fricking loser. The only way people don't look at you weird when you tell them to couch co-op with you on a PC is because they're weirdos too. Grow up, manbaby.
A laptop is enough to run 99.9% of games at 60 fps at decent enough resolution.
daily reminder that THIS is the future pirate gays chose
Console sales go up every year
die? no.
get smaller? very likely
PC is more cancerous, casual and reddit than consoles
I can pirate on PC, and I guarantee you that I have saved many times more money from owning one than being a moron console cuck.
Gaming wouldn't die, but we'd certainly see a significant change. As much as Ganker wants to believe it, PCs are still a turn-off for most people. Most can't build one, most don't even know what to get in a prebuilt, and most can't even operate them properly. Maybe we'd see an increase in Mac gaming if consoles died for good.
He is. But gatekeeping is good. Gaming will be less approachable and this is a good thing.
>can't afford a PC which has free games, free online multiplayer, lets you use 3rd party $10 chink controllers and only needs to replace specific parts to upgrade
>can afford a PS5 which has $70 games, paid online, doesn't even let you use your old DS4 controller to play PS5 games because of ~~*reasons*~~ and will be outdated next year once the pro model comes out and you're forced to buy an entire new PS5 just to update it instead of replacing some parts
Consoles are cancer, that is all
>k*ll
Yes, but mainly because I tend to agree with the seemingly least cancerous person in any given screencap. Since the “let consoles die” user has a female anime avatar, it’s immediately the most cancerous one in the argument.
games are built on pcs, tell me again why we downgrade them for peasants?
nobody can justify this btw
consoles are literally the only reason why raytraced mario 64 renders arent the baseline 10 years ago
peasant hardware neuters innovation and we are left with these hardware companies that release marginal increases in power when we very well could have normalized rtx 10 yesrs ago and have 10x the power we have today
Buddy, you're fat. You can't call people peasants. I don't know how it is in your gaming larp world, but in the real world, normal people dictate the rules. And for the rest of your lifetime, normal people will enjoy their gaming experience on consoles, as it was intended, and you will seethe and dilate until you choke on a hot pocket and die at the age of 32 while playing Nekopara 9.
>games are built on pcs, tell me again why we downgrade them for peasants?
Have you seen real PC exclusives mate? CSGO and Dota 2 and LOL can be played on toasters.
name 5 pc games that sold 5m+ that aren't on consoles
Why?
Sales = Success = Relevance
The great thing about PC is that we don't need exclusives to stay relevant. Keep coping though, its really cute.
Many of the "platinum tier" games on steam have sold over 5m copies and are exclusive to pc
>Inb4 indie games don't count
most of the total war series
now name 5 PS5 games that sold 5m+ that aren't on PC
>whataboutism
because he can't refute what was said and he knows he lost
I noticed irl that pc only people are always cringe incels morons while console players are usually normalgays type.
>I noticed irl that pc only people are always cringe incels morons
pc-only people are generally either autistic or poor.
>either autistic or poor.
Never both?
>said "generally"
they can be both.
consoles being the normalgay sub-5 hours per week AAA only gamer's choice isn't new
>https://www.thegamer.com/best-pc-exclusives-of-the-decade-ranked-according-to-metacritic/#total-war-shogun-2-90
so this is the power of PC exclusives...
Out of all those, only Total War, WoW and Black Mesa are exclusive lol
>-according-to-metacritic
Yikes, consolegays need third party shills to tell them WHAT'S GOOD NYUKKA
Fun fact, Total War and Football Manager are Sega's 3rd and 4th best selling series.
Despite Sega literally making consoles in the past.
i know variety is scary man, it must be hard coming from moviegames.
Moviegames are way better than 99% of your exclusives being transgender indie RPGs. have a nice day, fatso.
I know its frustrating for console players to deal with actual gameplay, let it all out.
>actual gameplay
>walk around in rpgmaker and battle in excel spreadsheets in order to save your trans friend from the evil cis people
>repeat for the rest of PC exclusives
>meanwhile in movie games, beat the shit out of gods or survive a badass zombie apocalypse
>i had to think and it traumatized me.
Must be rough.
Only.
morons.
Type.
Like.
This.
Clappity clap.
Kill consoles and these homosexuals with them, if possible.
Do people not understand that a console is just a mass produced PC with some proprietary hardware, and running some proprietary software, made a bit cheaper than desktop PCs via economy of scale and the expected profits to be made by their companies via controllers, online subscription, and more difficult to pirate games? If consoles died as a concept, they would just be replaced with similarly cheap but price efficient PCs with increased controller support, mass produced and benefiting from economy of scale. Microshart is already starting to blur the line between windows and xbox.
I play console games because I prefer japanese games over woke western games featuring Black folk and ugly characters.
Consoles already ruined PC gaming. Enjoy your mandatory updates and rapidly obsoleted hardware to play shittily optimised AAA games made by diversity hires.
>all these people saying that PC parts are too expensive
>just spent $700 on a bunch of parts that turned my PC to a mid-high range machine that'll future-proof me for a while
You guys misinterpret how cheap PC actually is if you've already got one. Yes if you're building from actual scratch you'll need a bunch of cash but even if you only upgrade once a decade like you would with a console you won't need to replace things like the power supply or hard drives so you can shave off a couple hundred bucks unlike consoles where you have to rebuy the whole shebang every time.
"baww but monitors and mouse and keyboard are hundreds of dollars" says the convenient strawman. Yeah on console you still gotta buy a TV to go along with it so a $500 console goes to $1300 when you need a good TV to go with it. Then you gotta look into sourcing multiple controllers too.
Ratchet and Clank is pretty fun.
This whole place is either children or worse yet terminally online users. I keep seeing many parrot on how you need a 1000$+ pc to game
No central texas.
>I keep seeing many parrot on how you need a 1000$+ pc to game
Even the fricking FTC tried that angle during the Activision hearing and judge called them moronic lmao
I would argue that both Sony and Microsoft could fully embrace PC and it would be for the better but not Nintendo. Nintendo is off doing their own thing with their weird ass gimmicks. And you can emulate those games on PC if you want to anyways.
Yes, gaming needs to die. There needs to be a scorched earth. Gaming is too profitable, games are no longer based on a few people's vision, they are driven algorithms and board groups to appeal to the maximum number of people. Kill off the biggest consumer base.
It's definitely cheaper. You could play the big AAA games from last year on a PS4 for less than 200 bucks. Doubt you could play Elden Ring on a PC worth that much.
I played Elden Ring on my old GTX 970 at medium settings, you can pick those up for like $70.
A solid HDD to go along with it is cheap as hell these days too.
You're a fricking liar. I tried playing it on a 1650 and it stuttered in low graphics. And I had a SSD, not a HDD.
are you moronic? gtx 1060 6gb i7 8750h 16gb ram hdd. Ran on highest settings. You are just mentally ill
What's your processor? I've seen issues when running on older architecture.
My friend with a 970 and I7 4770k has it both on his series x and pc and prefers the pc for the more stable framerates.
Nah he's right I played Elden Ring at medium settings with 970 too me
btw. I think it's due to pirated version being better lol.
oh no way, dude I upgraded to a 3060 from a 970 too. I picked up a standard 3060 since they came in 12gb vram variants though. Hope you don't get fricked over on 8gb vram with how reliant newer games are on it.
I'm already fricked over by it in Lies of P demo which I had to use DLSS and RE4 remake.
Or I can just buy a secondhand PS4 and play it that way
ye, I could have too, but I had that rig from like 8 years ago and didn't need to tweak it for elden ring so I didn't need to buy a 2nd hand console :I
consolebros...
so that is what he meant by actual videogames....... i kneel...
jelly, peasant?
>NECAAP
He's right but not because of pricing but because consoles sets up a good baseline for what's to come. I bought a 970 for example when the PS4 and Xbone came out and I played games at 1080p/60 fps for years until I switched to 3060Ti last year. I intend to use this setup for almost 10 years too. Consoles are good at setting that trend just so PC players can follow. Without consoles setting the baseline I imagine how horrible it would be for PCgays to have to buy a card every 2 years or so to get stable 1080/60. Also most PC """games""" are just console ports that targets consoles. Real PC exclusives are games that can run on 20 year old hardware. Consoles dying would be horrible for PC and I say this as a PCgay.
why are people still ok playing AAA titles sold primarily for their graphics graphics on 60 fps alongside massive drops while playing 1080p with terrible settings
Most people are tards and dont understand how bad they have it until someone physically demonstrates the difference between what they are getting and what they could have
And many react to that in anger because they dont like the idea that they've been had, sour grapes mentality ensues
>Is he right?
No he is not.
Because gaming is already dead. We're just witnessing the last few spasms before rigor mortis sets in.
yeah it's so dead it's the most popular pasttime in the world with dozens of titles of all different genres releasing daily with billions of dollars being made and invested. should be any day now!
>zoomers are actually onions-opped into believing “k*ll” is a bad word because their youtubers can’t say it or else they lose adrev
dire
Consoles are about exclusives. Thats a 2000 midset. Consoles are about comfy gaming.
PC has ALWAYS been the poorgay option. My parents never bought me a console as kid but they had a PC that I could play games on sometimes. 3rd worlders play dota on their craptop pc. Consoles are luxury goods because they cant be used productively like a shitty PC can.
>PC has ALWAYS been the poorgay option.
and at the same time
>PC costs 10000000 bucks MINIMUM
>zoomoid doesnt understand poorgay life.
Back in my day children subsisted on free game demos and pirated games at 20 fps at 800x600 resolution on a crt monitor found in a junkyard.
that's because your parents had bought the PC to browse AOL. they weren't exactly cheap back in the day either.
>buy pc that's like 1200
>pirate everything
>in like 15-20 games you've more than made up the difference
>YES CORPOMOMMY PLEASE TAKE MY THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FOR HARDWARE
>PAY for videogames? what am I a fricking moron?
oh well, I have stock in Microsoft so I'm happy.
>buy switch
>have to rebuy classic games at full price
>have to pay full price for games that are 3 years old because nintendo doesn’t slash prices
>have to pay a subscription fee to play online with mediocre or terrible nintendo servers
Both are right.
PC has a higher up front in order to play the latest games cost but significantly less in the long run.
If all the extra production for consoles went in to parts then prices would go down albeit.
He’s right that not everybody can afford a PC, but he’s dead wrong that consoles dying would kill video games. He would just get priced out of playing the newest ones. Big fricking deal.
He's a kh fan. Probably spent more on that shit mobile game than some of us have on games.
>there's an image/video of a $670 or something near that PC that outperforms every single dogshit console for the price of a console + 2 years of "imagine paying to be allowed to use your internet" online service
Eh, PlayStation should die since Sony and their fanbase perpetuates an unsustainable model of games in AAA gaming and bloated costs.
Everything else is fine.
Console gaming won’t ever die so long as gaming exists.
>Every console we know ceases to exist
>Some big brained exec:
>Hmm you know, there’s an untapped market here. What if we made a simple kind of pc that focused on gaming for easy of use in the living room?
>Consoles are reborn.
Give it up pc tards. There’s more danger of pcs becoming so streamlined and restricted they’ll be more like big phones than curated, sanitized, closed system console gaming dying.
A Steam Deck is $500 minimum, and will play games people care about for years
>b-buh 30 FPS
Consoles now can't even do 1080p/60
>uhhhh storage
Storage is easily upgradable that a monkey could do it
>LE LINUX
If you're a homosexual, you could make it boot/dual boot Windows
It's a great gateway PC, and I'm tired of hearing Black folks complain about price when it's been out for almost 2 years
I bought a 1tb ssd from aliexpress and it worked out just fine. They're mass getting selling these western digital drives for cheap right now.
Oops forgot to mention it was for the steam deck. They also sell these slower samsung 3.0 drives but I doubt you'll feel the speed difference to be honest.
>can't afford pc
>buys junk console, $100 games, subscribes to online subscribes to good boy club, buys gacha mtx
>nooooo gaming will die if I can’t buy and play every game on the day it was released at max settings aaaahh help meeee
>game devs forced to optimize their shit
Nooooooooo, everyone needs to have 4 hard drives to store 100 GB of 4k textures for each and every video game, stooooop
>all normies drop gaming
>no more FIFAtards and CoDbabbies
>big corps frick off, leave midsized studios alone to pander to people who like games
Don't threaten me with a good time, anon...
>>all normies drop gaming
>>no more FIFAtards and CoDbabbies
They would pivot to Switch which would be horrible for PCgays. I don't want to play games that looks worse than PS2 games.
>They would pivot to Switch which would be horrible for PCgays
The frick it would, we don't give a shit about graphics as long as the game is good. Hell most people a PC don't go near modern games because most devs are chasing that graphical dragon and making the filesize bloat to unnecessarily large sizes even though as a game they're smaller than most gen 5 ones.
>we don't give a shit about graphics as long as the game is good
People shit on games like DQXIS or Deus Ex Director's Cut and play original because those are Nintendo ports lol.
Sure if you're a sonygay but they don't matter. The beauty of pc is that graphics don't matter because you can set it however the frick you like and mod shit in and out.
>The beauty of pc is that graphics don't matter because you can set it however the frick you like and mod shit in and out.
Is that why MonHun Rise sold like shit on PC compared to World? Even PCgays prefer PS4 ports over Switch ports.
Rise had less sales because they decided to go with the standard genius practice of making it a Switch exclusive during all the marketing hype and quietly releasing it on PC a year later.
>Is that why MonHun Rise sold like shit on PC compared to World
You want to know why it sold less on PC? Because the switch version didn't run like ass like the ps4 version of world plus it had shit the pc version didn't namely local play and those amiibo exclusive layered armor.
In other words it proves my point.
>Because the switch version didn't run like ass like the ps4 version of world
Wrong.
>had shit the pc version didn't namely local play and those amiibo exclusive layered armor.
Who cares?
It sold like shit because PCgays prefer good graphics. How many of PCgays played Bloodborne PSX? How many of them would play a potential PC release?
>Wrong
How is it wrong? Even when the game launched with issues on PC it ran at a higher framerate and loaded shit in much faster than the ps4 version.
Most people double dipped to the point where the pc version outsold the ps4 version. That's a testament to how shit it was.
>It sold like shit because PCgays prefer good graphics
Yeah, no.
This is how I know you're not a pcgay or someone who gives a shit about gaming because graphics are the last thing everyone that isn't a sonygay cares about.
Performance comes above all else.
And that doesn't mean 60fps, no, that means stability.
>How many of them would play a potential PC release?
What even is your point with this anyway? Bloodborne psx isn't even a full fricking game for starters so it's not a matter of graphics, as for the actual game it would probably sell circles around the ps4 version for two reasons.
1) the souls fanbase is larger on pc
2) the ps4 version runs like ass and you can't turn off the blur.
I have bloodborne and I love it but I would snap by disc for a PC version to appear right now because that game deserves better than to be locked on a shitty console that runs it worse than Zelda does botw despite being far less complex.
>How many of PCgays played Bloodborne PSX?
why would anyone? that's a shitty joke tech demo made by a freakish troony
>PC get one big timed exclusive and they turn into smug gays
What a surprise
Just showing snoys what they look like.
I've lived in poverty land on disability welfare and could always afford a PC because I pirate games and don't buy high-end parts
let me guess.... latin america?
ehh, just 10000 km off
>Great PC costs approximately $1200 on it's own, add another 200 for a great monitor, and another 150ish for a good mouse and keyboard.
What this gets you is a PC that will be able to play tens of thousands of games made for pc from the 70's to today, allow you to emulate about 75% of every console game ever released in history, an extremely flexible web browsing platform leagues better than any console, an equally flexible media server that can act as the centerpiece and equalizer to a whole home theater setup. You can also keep it trucking along for 5-6 years at a time only spending money when needed for incremental upgrades. Functionally unlimited storage.
all for a buy in of roughly $1500 maybe another $350-$400 for parts to upgrade over the next 5-10 years. all in all over a 5 year span on the hardware alone your looking at a breakdown of like $380 a year.
>PS5 is $650usd give or take, your monthly $21.99 PS Plus subscription (99% of people "too poor" to afford a pc never have $140 free to buy the cheaper annual sub, so they pay out the ass 21.99 x 12 so 265ish annually), $80 for a spare controller probably, and a TV that cost about $450 we'll say an average mid range modern tv.
What this gets you is a console running largely previous generation games at 1080 and 30fps, ALMOST 12 Exclusives(likely less than 10 in the next year), almost zero backwards compatibility outside of digital store ports that you cannot take with you to the next Console Gen. A Console unable to run current gen games at 1080 without constant framerates, minimal upgrade capacity, shit web browser functionality (ads ads ads ads ads),
all for a buy in of roughly $1180 for the initial hardware investment but if we look at it over a 5 year period those PS Plus subs add up to $1320usd. Making your 5 year investment apprximately $2499.40 so nearly $500 per year, JUST on maintaining the system alone.
tl;dr consoles are more expensive, only "affordable" to idiots
Embarrassing post, imagine admitting that you NEED access to online goyslop games. How many of hours in CSGO do you have, homosexual?
I get what you mean, but I can't even play Gran turismo without Ps plus. You can do the basic drives, but I can't do much else.
Not much.
>200 for a monitor
>but 400 for a tv
You can literally see the desperation
Of all the things to try and call me on. I actually low balled the TV number. The most common newly sold TV's in the USA are in the 60 inch range. Which easily sit in the $600+ range. As for PC Monitors, most people buy cheaper ones in the $120 range.
I overstated the average PC monitor cost, and understated the TV cost. You want to talk about fricking desperation pal. My position is objectively irrefutable.
remember time when you could buy a PC which outperformed console for around 500$, krypto then NVISREAL and AMD greed really fricked us over
both of these opinions are fricking moronic. How the frick is the stigma of PC gaming being more expensive than console gaming still around?
Because it is
>not everybody can afford a PC
If you can afford a SX/SS or PS5 then you can afford a steam deck.
The steam deck is a portable we’re talking about console
I wish pc gaming would just die already. Nearly nothing of worth came from pc gaming meanwhile the games coming out of consoles, particularly from Japan, have revolutionized this industry and made it so enjoyable. How the frick can their be legitimate pc fanboys when all you Black folk get is generic shooters or RTS?
?
PC gets pretty much everything outside of a small handful of exclusives, of which usually end up coming to PC anyway. There is no reason to buy a console when you can have more powerful hardware with more freedom.
>>>>>k*ll
Consoles are just a nicer experience and they're perfect for setting up in the living room. Imagine plugging in your rgb monstrosity into a tv. Everyone would laugh at you which is why PC gamers all play games by themselves in their dark, stinking bedrooms/basements. PCs are for losers who do things like install linux and configure their firewall settings.
>Imagine plugging in your rgb monstrosity into a tv.
I would be more embarrassed if I owned a PS5 which looks like a giant, triple oversized router from 15 years ago.
consoles ruined games and stalled their progress, both technical and gameplay wise
> PC virgins actually believe this.
this game is getting back ported to PS4 btw :^)
>turn the 7 layers of ray tracing off
>shorten the draw distance
>wow, like fricking magic it runs at 60+ FPS
The game only runs like shit because they try to force an insane amount of RT and stupidly long draw distance on by default and consoles don't have an option to turn it off, even on performance mode. You make performance mode on consoles shut off all the RT and scale the draw distance back and it will absolutely play at 4k/60 on PS5/XSX
If you can't change the settings, saying "if" is meaningless.
My point is that PC is able to turn off the RT and lower the draw distance, and the game runs fine. And explaining why the game runs like dogshit on consoles - the insane amount of forced RT and ultra draw distances.
I have a feeling the PS4/X1 versions of the game will end up running BETTER than the current gen editions of the games because they'll strip out all the bullshit that slows Survivor to a crawl on modern consoles just to get it working on the older ones in the first place.
>Did you really think this sounded like a good argument?
It's an argument for whether or not it will perform decently on last gen hardware, and a valid one. See above. Survivor runs like shit due to forced RT and draw distance, the RT will be turned off the and draw distance substantially lowered in the last gen editions.
>upscaled to 4k is not 4k
I didn't say it would run at a NATIVE 4k/60 now did I, homosexual?
>I didn't say it would run at a NATIVE 4k/60 now did I
then you might as well have said nothing at all because it's a totally superfluous and meaningless statement.
>if things were different and consoles didn't force options away from you it would totally run well!
Did you really think this sounded like a good argument?
>it will absolutely play at 4k/60
Nothing on console plays at 4K/60, upscaled to 4K is not 4K.
So?
"next gen" consoles run shit at sub-1080p, sub-30fps and you're telling me they're not holding things back?
Nope. That's incompetent and/or lazy programmers. A PS5 should be good enough. Look how good Last of Us 2 looked on a PS4. It's actually AAA dreck made by lazy programmers that is holding gaming back. We would get better games if they stopped pushing graphics.
>A PS5 should be good enough
Yes, but games will be locked to 30 fps if they don't want to have games at sub-HD resolutions.
>Look how good Last of Us 2 looked on a PS4
It is the same example as Rift Apart on PS5, because they are first-party studios that have exclusive and dedicated resources to make their games as good as possible.
Third-party studios don't have access to those resources and therefore have to resort to things like UE5 or Unity, which also won't be well optimized on current gen consoles
>We would get better games if they stopped pushing graphic
Like Nintendo consoles right?
I came to the same conclusion, and I play mainly on PC
I am so glad I found this comment, anon, let me ask you this, what do you think happened to God of War or Uncharted franchise once some of their games became available on PC? Why do you act like Sony permanently signed an agreement where they vowed to bring all their games to PC? The original Uncharted games aren't on there, so as God of War games, so as Infamous games, those franchises are exclusive to PS, period, just because you got a taste of them doesn't mean they left their "house" so to speak. Letting you play one game from one franchise doesn't make it that franchise as a whole automatically non-exclusive.
>PS5 has no games
>yeah but look at these games no one ever cared about from over 10 years ago
>feeling jealous yet?
lol
>I think that X
>No, X is not that
>Okay, X is not that, but.. but..
You're pathetic.
And since you didn't actually response to my argument, you therefore agreed with it. Thank you,
You have no argument. There are no exclusives left that literally anyone gives a frick about, except one. In 2009 people relentlessly mocked unsharted. No one fricking cares about it, or nu-GoW.
>no exclusives left
Devs aren't making pc exclusives anymore and are shitting out terrible pc poets because they know consoles are a better market. The biggest pc launch of the year is available on consoles.
easily one of the worst takes in this thread
Consoles need you to justify buying their shit hardware and being forced on their walled garden where you have no freedom and have to pay to use your own internet. They do that with exclusive bait. PC hardware stands on its own. It doesn't need exclusives to lure people on to the platform.
This
>There are no exclusives left
At the very least contradicts this
>anyone gives a frick about, except one.
So make up your mind, either they have exclusive games, and we take them all into account or they don't, because people like yourself all of the sudden now pretend like older games don't exist anymore, which is just pathetic, because if this argument wasn't about Sony, people would be defending their precious older titles like their life depends on it.
>There are no exclusives left
>At the very least contradicts this
>anyone gives a frick about, except one.
It really doesn't. Please point to the PS5 exclusive anyone cares about. The only game you can point to that would mildly interest anyone is a game from 8 fricking years ago. That's just desperation at that point.
>That's just desperation at this point.
The only desperation I see is that no matter what, even if it means pretending like the only games that matter are recent AAA games, people would go into cardiac arrest, but won't admit a simple truth that PS5 was and is a successful console.
>Please point to the PS5 exclusive anyone cares about.
I mean, I can point at any and you will still find the audience for it, is this really the argument that you want to make? Because what you're saying is that the only games that matter are the ones that came out over the last 3 years, older titles they don't count because.. that doesn't align with your argument and therefore makes it invalid?
>even if it means pretending like the only games that matter are recent AAA games
>older titles they don't count because
Older titles don't count because PS3 and anything before it can just be emulated. My point is that there is virtually no exclusive from the last 2 gens you can point to that the average PCgay would give a single frick about except Bloodborne. That's literally it. 1 (ONE) game. They sure as frick don't care about nu-GoW or Ratchet and Clank or Returnal or Spiderman and they don't care about old shitty movie games like Unsharted or TLoU either.
>Older titles don't count
Of course they don't.
>because PS3 and anything before it can just be emulated
If you have a PC strong enough to handle PS3 emulation, sure, I don't see how it makes older titles non-exclusive, you're still emulating a PS3, but on a PC, without the emulator you can't do anything with the ROM but to look at it, and on top of that you need PS3 firmware, so you are essentially playing on a console that run on PC. When you will find a way to play that downloaded ROM directly from your PC without PS3 firmware and emulation, you can come back to this thread.
>My point is that there is virtually no exclusive from the last 2 gens you can point to that the average PCgay would give a single frick about except Bloodborne.
Why would I care about PC gays? Especially the average one? Especially what they think? The average PC gay will tell you that the console is bad because his $10000 PC performs better and somehow will find a way to feel good about himself, while Jim over here spent half of the money that he did and still got the same if not better in some cases experience, because console games are in a variety of cases better optimized.
>They sure as frick don't care about nu-GoW or Ratchet and Clank or Returnal or Spiderman and they don't care about old shitty movie games like Unsharted or TLoU either.
I don't care either, except Uncharted and TLOU, but there are plenty of people who do, just like there are people who care about older games in general.
>If you have a PC strong enough to handle PS3 emulation, sure
A fricking steam deck can run Demon's Souls at 120fps. If you have a remotely decent CPU from the last 7 years you can do PS3 emulation.
>even though you're playing it on PC, it doesn't count! because uhhh ...you need to download readily available firmware to go with your readily available rom
nice cope bro
>Why would I care about PC gays?
Okay, let me expand the argument. Does literally anyone give a frick about unsharted games? Because those games were bundled with PS4s like horizon is now and people were just throwing them in the trash. Even you are conceding that you don't give a frick about the vast majority of the games I listed and the two you say you do care about are literal, low effort TPS movie games.
>The average PC gay will tell you that the console is bad because his $10000 PC performs better
>muh $1,000,000,000 PC
More deranged consolegay cope.
Well, that is a really nice compliment, you tried to use my argument against me, I am glad that you found it so effective.
>Does literally anyone give a frick about unsharted games?
Yes, I do, and like I said, you either count all of them or none of them.
>Yes, I do
You're in the minority. No one would care if the entire series came to PC. This is the only way snoys know how to shitpost because it's the last thread they can grasp at
>You're in the minority.
Can you prove it though? Even then, it still shatters your argument. Yes, there are people that care about older games, move along.
>Can you prove it though?
Like I said, people were throwing unsharted copies away. You couldn't trade it in for anything, the disc was worthless. And this isn't about older games. It's about you desperately grasping on to a handful of games on the PS4 that aren't even good.
god of war 1-3 + psp games are better on pc tho?
you have to fricking stream them on ps5 lmao.
>god of war 1-3 + psp games are better on pc tho?
Yes, and with higher resolution, you are right.
>you'll kell consoles
how the frick do you kell something
>Gaming 'dies'
>actually just fifa and AAAslop
>games return to the golden age of smaller, more experimental, with more developers freed from hebrewic investors and ESG
IM FROM VIDYAS AIRES AND I SAY KILL EM ALL!
He is correct.
PC gaming is for gaming enthusiasts. It's not financially feasible for casual gamers to pour thousands of dollars into rigs that can run games at Max settings and frames when you can just toss $500 at a console to run games "well enough".
not really. pc gaming is cheap as frick if you still play at 1080p since the requirements haven't changed for like a decade
>ITT: consolegays experiencing pic related
I will laugh at you delusional homosexuals every time
Isn't it usually the other way around lol.
Nope, PC is the new sour grapes. PS5's console exclusives are pretty bad and the good ones have been ported over to PC with superior performance and quality.
>ported over to PC with superior performance and quality.
Ratchet's PC version is worse though.
World came to PC one year after console version. It was even a longer wait than Rise's 6 months.
>Ratchet's PC version is worse though.
that is a game for children like you, your opinions doesn't matter at all
>If you have a PC strong enough to handle PS3 emulation, sure
Now I see why you only posted one video, lmao, sit your ass down.
TLOU and GTAV can be ran natively on the deck, and uncharted is an interactive movie marketed to the lowest common denominator.
Are you trying to demonstrate the power of your double digit IQ?
>TLOU and GTAV can be ran natively on the deck
The argument was not about native games, it was about PS3 emulation.
And even then, fine, here, more to add to your cope.
Play GT5 natively on Steam Deck.
Play Infamous 2 natively on Steam Deck, do I need to send you more?
This is what I am telling, frickers on Ganker will NEVER accept that their argument might be wrong or slightly invalid, they will back down so much to the point where they can't even make sense of what they just said, truly pathetic.
Emulation development goes toward optimizing the games people actually care about playing. There is no reason for RPCS3 devs to improve a game like TLoU when 1, no one cares and 2, it's already native anyway. Demon's Souls is like the whole reason a lot of people bought PS3s so naturally, that game has been worked on to death to the point that it can impressively run on shit hardware. It's the same reason if you try to run BotW on yuzu, it sucks ass. Why would yuzu developers put effort into a game that already runs flawlessly on cemu? It would just be a waste of time.
The argument was about the fact that if a game isn't native, you can just emulate it. There is no reason to ever emulate an already native game unless it's a very special case where the port is so horrendously poorly optimized that it's actually worth considering emulation overhead. And the fact that a steam deck, a fricking handheld with a shitty 15W APU can emulate PS3 would have been like black magic a decade ago. It's still impressive given what it is.
>The argument was about the fact that if a game isn't native, you can just emulate it.
Look, I don't even know who I am talking to anymore, this whole debacle started because I said that if you want to objectively view the exclusivity thing, then you have to take every game into account, then the person backed down and said that all of the sudden older games don't matter, because if they did he would lose his argument, then he said that you can still emulate them on PC, which I said I agree with, but then you forget the part where you still need PS3 firmware and an emulator to do so, it's not a native experience, therefore it has to be taken for what it is, emulation, not native experience that Sony decided to bring to PC with older titles, but I am all for emulation if you ask me, just because we are talking about this, it reminded me to install RPCS3 myself and give it a try. If you want to say, or whoever it was, that PS5 had a small amount of native exclusive games for PS5 then that's all you had to say, I would say, sure, instead he or whoever it was had to say that Sony has no exclusives whatsoever, I said that it was wrong, because older titles must be included as well, and that's how we ended up here.
>then the person backed down and said that all of the sudden older games don't matter
That's not the argument. The argument was there are no exclusives left that anyone cares about that can't just be emulated except for Bloodborne. You said uncharted and I said that shit was mocked to hell and back in the early 2010s and people were throwing away the bundled disk that came with PS4s.
>The argument was there are no exclusives left that anyone cares about
To which I said, can you prove it? Because if at least one person does, then the argument is invalid, but the truth is, and you know it too, there are more than just one person, and even if they are minority, what all of the sudden their taste doesn't matter?
>except for Bloodborne
Played it, I still have no idea what so special about it, just buy a dirt cheap PS4 slim, play the game, then resell it.
>You said uncharted and I said that shit was mocked to hell and back in the early 2010s and people were throwing away the bundled disk that came with PS4s.
I was playing PS2 in 2010, I am way out of the loop, but Uncharted at least to me is a good game, but my opinion doesn't count because.. then the argument would also be lost, because I am a minority, which makes me right, but still makes me wrong somehow according to you.
I'm pretty sure you were responding to at least three different anons in this thread
>Played it, I still have no idea what so special about it
What exclusives did you enjoy on PS4/PS5 that would make them worth getting for?
I'm genuinely curious as I'm trying to find a reason for buying the newer playstation systems because I'm an idort with money to burn.
So far, I can't seem to find any reasons that would make the playstations objectively worth getting in this era. And the deck has pretty much removed the need for nintendo's switch (which is building up dust on my shelves atm)
This anon is correct, the last exclusive that people truly cared about here is Bloodborne, and once the PS4 emulator is out, the community developers would rush to develop optimizations specifically for Bloodborne.
Microsoft saw this coming hence the reason they no longer actively develop xbox exclusive games nowadays
>What exclusives did you enjoy on PS4/PS5 that would make them worth getting for?
I didn't buy it because I wanted to play exclusives, at least not only because I wanted to play exclusives, this goes way back, but to save you time, I don't like digital "ownership", because I had a library of 200+ games that was taken away from me, and even though those were games that I claimed for free from EGS, it still hurt me a lot, but it's a long story, so I will spare you the details decided to go fully physical, and consoles are still capable of giving me just that, physical games anywhere I want, no internet required(at least the games that I play), on top of that I always wanted to play TLOU games, as well as plenty of others, Ghost of Tsushima ended up being a wonderful game, I loved it for what it was, but still found it a bit weak compared to something like The Witcher. Back to PS5, I realized that if I were only to care about exclusives, then perhaps getting a console isn't for me, because it's expensive to play only what 5 games, I know that there is more, but I only cared about 5, two TLOU games, GOW, GOT, Gran Turismo 7, I decided that it would be a wrong move to take, so I went it with the idea to switch from gaming PC entirely(I had my reasons, I don't care if it seems like a bad idea to someone) but I wanted to do it anyway, and so I did.
What I said here won't apply to everyone, but this is why I bought a PS5, and since you asked, here is my response.
You write like a rambling Dostoevsky character. I like the cut of your jib
Thanks?
Thank you for giving your honest opinion, which is a rarity here.
I had a ps2 and xbox 360 until I saved up enough money to build a PC. I've never really considered switching to consoles as the main reason I got a PC was so I can get into modding fallout 3/nv and skyrim which has been and is still the best gaming experience I've ever had.
>I had a library of 200+ games that was taken away from me
that's pretty fricked up, anon, what did you do?
>that's pretty fricked up, anon, what did you do?
I was a schizo who convinced himself that migrating all your accounts to a new e-mail address every three months is good privacy and security practice, but EGS had a different opinion about it, one day I change my email like normal and then I get the red message that reads something like:
>You are limited to only one alternative email on your account
This seemed odd, considering that you can't add an alternative email to your account, you can only have your main one, but I just brushed it off, what I couldn't brush off is that the button to change a new email address was greyed out, I couldn't change it, so if anything was to happen to this email, whether it will get compromised or I will lose access to it, that's it, my account will be ownerless technically, so I wrote to the support and they said that the only way to get rid of this message is to verify the ownership, by giving your IP, first username, first e-mail, receipts(I only ever claimed free games, so there were no receipts), but sure, I gave them that and it worked, I could change my email again, and so.. I did, except this time everything that I just did with the support person didn't work, and they simply said - We are freezing your account because we couldn't verify the ownership, have a good day.
>mfw
I am not stupid enough to break TOS when I have that much games in my library, that I gathered for so long. And changing your emails, even once every three months isn't against TOS, EGS themselves allow to do that every 3 months, it's your choice.
>We are freezing your account because we couldn't verify the ownership
I used to work in the customer service industry, you should be able to get this resolved by acting like a karen and asking for their supervisor, be outraged but do not insult the pajeet agent and you can get your account back
It was 2 years ago, I don't even have the credentials anymore, but what I do remember is that this freezing was permanent from their words, that's all. I mean, fine, I never paid a dime for those games, I shouldn't beat myself over it, I just wanted to get as close as possible to owning games, that no one cat take away, plus it's just comfy with a controller for me.
>This anon is correct, the last exclusive that people truly cared about here is Bloodborne
>here
Okay, I will take your word for it.
>and once the PS4 emulator is out, the community developers would rush to develop optimizations specifically for Bloodborne.
Great, like I said, I am all for emulation, I just hope that there won't be another game like Bloodborne to take over the Ganker for PS5 or PS6, because then you might be dead by the time it reaches the point where we can emulate those.
All games are for children but Sony should have ported bloodborne instead
PlayStation
PlayStation X
PlayStation Portable
PlayStation II
PlayStation 2
PlayStation 3
PlayStation 4
PlayStation 5
PlayStation 6
What the frick am I reading lmao. Put 2+2 and tell me if he's right or not op
>PS5 = 500 dollars + 70 dollars per game + 60 dollars per year for the duration of the gen to use the internet connection you already pay for to play multiplayer games
>PC = 700 dollars one time for a better machine that can actually play shit at 1440p/4k native instead of 800p upscaled + tons of stores where you can get games cheap or you can just pirate, plus you can emulate, plus you can use it for a multitude of things besides vidya
Yeah hard choice there, you're missing out on the 1 timed exclusive per year you'd get on the PS5.
also with a PC you can just download a C compiler and make your own games too
Even AIs knows PCs are the superior choice
Doesn't beat quantum computer though, so, good luck with your toaster.
Most people who are actually poor but have an interest in video games seem to have old PCs that they milk for every last droplet of value for their hobby. Just look at some poorer regions of the world, the perception always seems to be that consoles are expensive as frick and people use low-end PCs. Consoles are just tools to extract money from morons with the myth that they're cheap or good value.
But those people are playing real old shit like San Andreas online.
Well, they play what they can. They're poor, after all, that's the point. They make due with what they can get for cheap. It's not like there's a lack of good PC games which are either old or just lightweight in general. You don't need to play the latest AAA garbomancy abomination, most of them aren't worth playing in the first place.
Yes, if you kill consoles gaming dies.
Unironically yes, gaming as reached a point where it can't live without normalgays
Yes. Let consoles die.
Can't afford a PC? Not my problem, skill issue.
>PS1 exclusives: 500+
>PS2 exclusives: 500+
>PS3 exclusives: 150+
>PS4 exclusives: 50+
>PS5 exclusives: 6, one of which is releasing next year on other platforms, two of which are shit VR titles, one of which is a dead multiplayer title, and one of which is a PS3 game
>Xbox exclusives: all on PC
That's all you need to know about the current absolute state of consoles. Exclusives were the only reason to get them and they don't even have those anymore. Not to mention you have to pay Sony a $120 per year goy tax to play *select* PS1/PS2/PSP titles, when just about the entire library of all three of those is emulatable on a complete toaster let alone a semi-decent modern PC.
>PS5 exclusives: 6
Returnal is on PC.
Ratchet and Clank is on PC.
FF is a timed exclusive.
What's even left? Just demon's demake?
Demon's Souls Remake
Astro's Playroom
Horizon VR
Some other VR title I forget
Destruction All Stars
R-type Final 3
FFXVI (timed)
It was actually 7.
>Demon's Souls Remake
A ps3 game
>Astro's Playroom
>Horizon VR
>Some other VR title I forget
Then you don't have a game
>Destruction All Stars
>R-type Final 3
This is essentially am expansion to 2 and not a full game
>FFXVI (timed)
And yeah you acknowledged that's going to leave
So the true number is 3
I'm not defending the PS5's shit exclusives, just for the record.
>PS3 exclusives: 150+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:PlayStation_3-only_games
It totals around 180, but they count some shit like the MGS collection.
>but they count some shit like the MGS collection.
Yeah, a lot of them aren't actually exclusives like DoA 5 Ultimate:Core fighters. That's just a free version of DoA 5 that you can get on xbox.
It needs some major cleaning up.
Consoles are already dead, Sony and Xbox(always were) are just locked down budget PC's, and Nintendos are glorified phones.
They only continue to exist because they're big brands and non-white friendly(computers are raysis).
Console tards spend just as much paying the premium on software and services, in the end, it's just a way to milk poors.
>and non-white friendly(computers are raysis).
moron
ooga booga me play sony bongostation monkeyball 23 very good me buy all dlc
>Sony and Xbox(always were) are just locked down budget PC's
That wasn't really true until the PS4. When the PS2 came out it was fairly strong and the Xbox was stronger than any PC you could make at the time for a short while, same with the 360, and the Cell CPU in the PS3 actually was one of the better CPUs at the time even though it made it moronic to develop games for and caused it to get really shit multiplat ports.
>and the Xbox was stronger than any PC you could make at the time
Wrong. Doom 3 on Xbox was heavily downgraded compared to PC version, so was FEAR.
That was 2 and 3 years post launch. I could be misremembering, but I recall for at least a few months Xbox was the best you could get.
>non-white friendly(computers are raysis).
PC players are majority third world because games are expensive. PC allows them to cope with game prices.
I'm tired of the constant shitflinging.
Only if you exclusively play AAA games which all console players do. AAA have such a stranglehold on the normies that they keep releasing these unoptimized pieces of of bloat
No, there would be an obvious gap in the market for cheap gaming pc's.
PCsissies and consolesisters, how do we keep losing to Mobilechads? I thought our games were better than mobile games!!!!
Brainless spending, there is nothing to be jealous of.
>these brainless consoomers are outspending my brainless consoomers
Uh huh.
Because indians, chinks, hues, and other lower humanoid lifeforms can afford mobile phones.
Why would you play phone games if you're white and not a woman?
>can't afford pcs
>buys tons of 60-100 dollar games
This is not the 1960s, literally everyone in the west can afford a computer.
>People are fine with spending 1k for an iphone
>Won't do the same for a 1k premade that'll play any games currently out
Why
Yes, I bought a PS5 purely because I didn't have the money to build a new PC that won't be unable to play new games within a year and won't have that money anytime soon. Certain games like BG3 I just have to make do with on low settings because you don't play a CRPG on a console but I'm mostly console gaming from now on.
Fine. Make a console killer that would beat a PS5. The budget is the cost of a PS5
https://pcpartpicker.com/
>k*ll
Huh?
No he's wrong.
If you kill consoles you'll force devs to optimize games hard for PCs so that more people can play their games. Ergo, a $500 PC would then be enough to play games at console settings and above.
>can't afford $800-$1000 PC
>CAN afford $700 console, $500 TV, $100 controllers, $24/month subscription...
Gaming
is
a
luxury
if you can't afford a pc or console you probably shouldn't be spending your money on video games or wasting your time playing them.
Killing consoles wouldn’t give us better PC games. People aren’t even upgrading their PCs right now because GPU prices are ludicrous thanks to crypto and AI gays
How many AAA exclusives has PC had in the last decade? 3? If that? This is just more of the eternal salt that they'll NEVER get Bloodborne lol. Lmao even!
How many are you getting
>bloodborne
PS4 emulation is being worked on
get ready for the day of rope, snoyhomosexuals
>Can almost emulate an 8 year old game
So....this is the power of the pc master race. Truly astounding lmao.
>hurr if you can afford a $500 console you can afford a $500 PC
Most people don't buy them at full price.
They wait for deals.
Also just because you can get a $500 PC, you need to invest more if it's your first one in general or first upgrade in a long time.
A monitor isn't that cheap either
If you bought a PS5 at anytime before earlier this year odds are you paid over MSRP for it. They haven't even done any price cuts on one at major retailers as far as I'm aware, outside of maybe some free game bundle deals.
>PCs have a higher upfront cost
sure whatever, and consoles have a significantly higher long term cost on stagnating hardware
>consoles have a significantly higher long term cost on stagnating hardware
what?
>PC survived the first console crash
That dumb meme that only affected NA?
Yeah PC and PC games were doing fine but during that time Japan was doing their own thing and it went really, really well
The american can only corrupt and scam, just look at the old pioneers in western video games. They're mostly forgotten, got scammed out of their company and returned to become conartists when Kickstarter came
$70 games and paying for your own internet
vs
constant sales, key sellers discounting even brand new games, piracy and not paying twice to use your own internet
There are constant sales on consoles now and with physical media it’s even easier to get games for absolutely nothing. Also not everyone pays for online
>"""physical media"""
lol
Who cares what’s on the disc you can still trade with your friends and sell it easily
How much does Disco Elysium cost on consoles? At the largest discounted price
as that's a big title on numerous platforms at that. Right now I can grab it for ~10$, less if I'm willing to wait a month
heck pick any multi-platform game. PC runs laps around consoles in actually offerring a reasonable price for old content
The Final Cut version in the Switch goes down to $13 often that’s how much I spent anyway
Do you know what else have constant sales?
Physical media?
Ho yes, your mom is going to be physicial media. I can assure you.
>constant sales
lmao
That's console. Go look at physical games, sometimes the price on Amazon is even cheaper when the game is on sale on digital storefronts.
This was the case for PC too, you could often get a PC game for cheap in stores. I bought DOOM Eternal (PC) for 10€, sure it was just a game code in a case but still
Then there is used. A used copy of a game has been useless for PC for decades but on console it's still possible.
Also don't forget that games never drop in price in digital stores. Sometimes, before a sale, they increase the base price too
> key sellers discounting even brand new games
Also on console I think, they have keys since the PS3/360 gen I think. I don't know about this, I never looked into it
>piracy
Again, also possible on console. At least after some time.
That fricking sucks and we can blame PC for that.
Physical copies is what made consoles a good, viable option
>IT'S PC USER'S FAULT
lol homie so ignorant he thinks consoles didn't gut discs before PCs
type less, you're doing a very poor job doing what you think you are
You can get a used game for console and play online.
Impossible for at least for most PC games since the 2000s
>type less
No, you will experience my unfiltered thoughts in an unrefined format
>You can get a used game for console and play online.
Sure let me go buy a used copy of Uncharted 3 and see how many people are on the multiplayer
Oh wait...
>Sure let me go buy a used copy of Uncharted 3 and see how many people are on the multiplayer
>Oh wait...
Moving the goalpost...
Anyways (just like on PC) some games still have a dedicated fanbase. Look at MGO2, that has fanservers running
>and we can blame PC for that.
The blame literally comes from Sony because they pushed this high fieldelity install bullshit in gen 7 and they don't do gaming PCs
>games are only installed on PlayStation consoles
What the frick are you even talking about, smooth brain
Are you being moronic on purpose?
Anon the whole download thing doesn't come from pcs, they've been doing that shit for years.
It all began with the rampant bullshit Sony allowed.
Steam started in 2004 anon and PC games have had unique keys needed to install games for as long as I’ve been alive at least. What are you even talking about
You have no idea what I'm talking about. Anon, consoles have always dictated the industry, steam wasn't even a major player until about 2010
My point was about physical getting shafted.
Physical copies for PC have been about the keys since the 2000s, for multiplayer at least
Yeah probably
But I don't think it's that people can't afford PCs they just have no reason to get them when consoles already meet their basic needs
It's kind of like if you only drink 1 cup of Folgers a day you don't need to buy a professional grade espresso machine
You just need a cheap simple brewer that is fairly automatic and just werks
>censoring kill
How much of a bunch of pussies can zoomers be?
There has been room for both consoles and computers for decades. People asking for the death of consoles seem to be coming from a bitter place. I'd rather they be fixed than killed. Xbox and Playstation becoming more and more homogenized is honestly pretty sad, Nintendo is still holding down the fort, but we don't even have the handheld market anymore.
I don't even know what they're talking about
Make. PC. Building. More. ACCESSABLE. First.
Now that AIBlack folk are taking all the graphics cards for their AI farms and until room temperate SuperConductors are confirmed real and used daily, it's impossible to build a good powerfuk PC without blowing up your house.
I want to get into PC building despite my income because I feel like I can never just play a game anymore without my PC killing itself over a few years of using it. Not to mention, the stress of killing it just because I had one gram of electricity in my body when touching shit then OOPS computer completely gone. It's why I stick to prebuild just so I can at least HAVE a working thing even if it's too weak to run Minecraft.
My pc: $ 800, no pass, stronger than a PS5 plus i can work and have more fun with it
>PC gaming.............
1337 doesn't look like that.
you now remember that these suggestions are based on your account history
care to share something with the class, anon?
There is probably some truth to it but I honestly don't think it would be that big of a problem. Also, in the future everyone's computer will just be a streamed OS so everyone will just play games on that horror machine.
>OS
>paying for windows
lol
lmao even
When buying a console you have to factor in TV, couch and extra peripherals. That adds at least an extra $400. See I can shitpost too?
>TV, couch and extra peripherals
>$400
Where the frick are you shopping, the salvation army?
You’re right. I just wanted to price match but it’s more like
$3000 sofa
$800 entertainment center
$1200 oled 4K TV
2 extra dualsense for a total of $140 (tax excluded)
2 new games for a total of $140 (tax excluded)
3 years of PS+ for $255
$200 gold plated HDMI, can’t forget the cables :^)
that’ll be $5,735 plus tip (tax and cost of the console was excluded from this total)
A TV and couch are expected pieces of furniture that you need if your are to be a functional adult with friends and a girlfriend. A PC monitor is for people who live alone and play in a goon cave which is why they’re so ugly. These are not equivalent
If you are an adult with a job you should have a monitor lying around. It won’t be 1440p 144hz but that’s irrelevant to this absurd argument that normal people don’t have monitors.
ok but why did he censor kill
>censoring kill
WHY DO THEY ALWAYS DO THIS?
Trained by TikTok
Some literal who that knows nothing. Shocking.
>NECAAP
>NAACP E
gaming would be much better without consoles
>less technical limitations
>no longer need to pander games towards brainless NPC fifa players
consoles are a blight, they're the reason triple-A games suck
Or maybe PCs should be cheaper?
I'd love for this to happen, but the market will always follow the supply/demand laws. It'll never be cheap as long as nvidia has a stranglehold on the market, and people aren't going to stop buying their products anytime soon.
ps/Xbox costs $800 over 5 years because of the online fee
PCs are cheaper
I'm considered poor in America and even I can afford a pc. You esl morons have terrible lives. inb4 troon rage
why did this homosexual censor the i in kill? his point is true regardless.
because is twitter, if you say kill or suicide or something along those lines the tweet gets buried and nobody sees it
>because is
moron
MODERN
CONSOLES
ARE
PCS
FRICKING
MONGOLOID
people will just buy prebuilt pcs
Considering your average ITX build is already almost console sized I'd agree with him, but them I remember the ROG 4090 is the size of a PS5 and they had plans to release an even bigger one.
Everyone can afford a gaming PC if they know what they're doing and they know what they need. The only issue is that the ideal PC gaming set up is pricey but you can easily work around it and use what you currently have or need to your advantage.
If you are say a college student or in need of a [new] laptop, then you can afford to spend the price of a console to buy a higher spec laptop that is much better for games.
If you're looking at getting a desktop, then you don't really need to spend any additional money on a monitor as you can use any HDTV as a half decent PC monitor. Throw on a wireless mouse and keyboard and you'll be fine even if you have to sit further away.
As for the other guy's statement, the only consoles that justify thier own existence are Nintendo ones due to novelty, portability and quality exclusive software. There really isn't a great selling point to the PS5, and the best, and really only great thing about Xbox is Game Pass, which you can just get on PC and it only is worth it if you actually play a bunch of games on it. Modern consoles don't have the simple plug-in and play aspects they used to, they're just cheap, weak PCs with less utility.
TL;DR version: PC gaming is affordable if you're not an idiot and if Nintendo is the only company that can justify the continued existence of consoles
we
should
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videogames
PC is the dying platform though, everybody plays on mom and dad's 15+ year old shit and when it dies nobody goes for a new pc, they prefer a phone or a tablet
IT's simple, we kill the batman
I dont know what's funnier about this OP
The implicit admission that consoles are for poorgays
that poorgays actually believe the gaming industry gives two fricks about their broke wallets
the broke brown consolegays itt running damage control
OP posted a twatter screencap and didnt get banned
I didn’t think Musk could make twitter any worse but somehow he found a way
He's fought in the keyblade wars, you should probably listen to him.
everyone but nintendo loses money on every console sale subsidizing the hardeware so they can lock you into their walled software garden, PC can't really compete with that on anything but getting you into 20 year old games and piracy. Gaben doesn't give you 50% off on GPU purchases like Sony and Microsoft do
*that said I still hate consoles, imagine a game asking me to do something boring and I can't cheat to skip it
I'm pretty sure Valve sells the base steam deck at a loss to garner mass adoption
Doubt it, weren't there always laptops with basically identical hardware besides the controller shit that cost the same amount
>poorgays can't play games anymore
sounds good to me
if consoles would cease to exist I'd simply just stop playing games yes
I am comfortable with Apple ecosystem for work and I wont buy a desktop at 28
I hope my next company gives me a nice, powerful work PC so I can replay NV one more time and have rounds of Middle eart 2 and Age of Mythology from time to time but apart from that I have no intention to play PC games anymore
>I am comfortable with Apple ecosystem for work
why are you gay
Console vs pc gaming is the ultimate poor person mentality filter. Console is cheaper up front but then you’re paying $70-80 for every new game in addition to paying a monthly sub to use internet.
A pc gamer gets heavy discounts if they choose to pay at all for their games. Over a generation of a console the pc gamer will spend far less overall. Not to mention everything else that pc does that consoles can’t.
>censoring kill
What the frick?
Why did he censor kill?
algorithm voodoo
Everybody can afford a PC and even if "consoles" die, you have prebuilts. Just stick a sony or microsoft logo on them for brandcucks so they don't get confused.
>ps4
>€200
get me a gaming PC that can do the same for the same price. no usedhomosexualry.
Playing on a PS4 in 2023 must be miserable. It already felt outdated a few years into its launch. A fricking steam deck is more powerful than a PS4.
Literal 12 year old office PCs had better CPUs than the PS4, throw a $30 1060 3GB in a PC that you find in a dumpster
I tried playing death stranding on a 1060 and it ran at 20FPS at 720p
Why didn't you play a game instead of kojima movie
You have a fricked CPU or otherwise don't know how to operate a PC, it's good enough for 1080p with middling settings to get 60 FPS IIRC
a 950 run at 720p medium at 50fps
Dunno about office CPUs but when I tried to play RDR2 and DOOM'16 on my i5 2500k + GTX1050 (non-TI) it didn't work very well unlike in these videos
Consoles gobble up a ton of computer part resources and cost more than the sum of their parts are worth
Without consoles more resources can go to creating independent parts thus lowering prices making custom pc building more accessible, and the best part about building your own computer is that it will never at all in any way possibly cost more than a sum of its parts
Crysis all the way back in 2007 was the last time a developer tried to push PC past consoles and they went running to the 360 and PS3. PC simply isn't a viable platform for anything but F2P.
PC always wins baybee. Consoles are dying now and PC is still standing strong.
Yeah because they realized with how far ahead PC was they wouldnt need to.
they might have to now, I hear consoles can finally do 60fps-oh wait
Your reading comprehension is extremely poor. Crysis was the last time a game was made that didn't need to run on consoles.
what is your argument exactly? that consoles are holding video games back?
Crysis was your chance to show that a PC market for games that won't run on consoles was viable. You blew it.
PC doesn't need a market of games incapable of running on consoles. It just needs better hardware/more freedom than consoles, which it has.
Are you legitimately moronic? Like how do you dress yourself and not comprehend simple information?
>PC is not a viable platform because consoles are holding back video games
Your 'argument' is nonsense.
>Crysis flops as a PC power showcase
>No one revisits the concept over 15 years later
>Why did consoles do this?
>as a PC power showcase
A 4K60fps gameplay video is a PC power showcase, buddy. Do you even know what you're trying to say at this point?
>Console ports
Do you, 'nonny-kun?
>inferior ports that prove consoles are holding gaming back
It speaks for itself, no?
>PC's best looking games are console ports
>PC exclusives look far worse
>This means consoles are holding PC back
The self-contained PC market can only fund low budget and F2P, it's not much better than mobile, really.
>unparalleled user freedom
>Stuck with digital only
e-girlng my ass off.
Enjoy your restrictive walled garden, paying to use your own internet and not being allowed to do what you want with your own hardware, bro. I will enjoy modding and even pirating my games.
You're awfully angry for a guy who's "happy" to own nothing.
>le own nothing
I actually own my hardware. You don't.
>actually own my hardware
Now imagine owning a game!
And you own a game you can't buy, sell or trade? roflmao
>he's so poor he cant afford to actually keep his games
I pity you, I really do
You don't own games you can't mod
>even the shittiest PC ports look better than the same native console games
>PCs run at high framerates and resolutions while emulating consoles
>consoles somehow aren't holding back gaming
>self-contained
lmao that is and was always a consolecope since it's common knowledge consoles dont stand a chance in direct conflict when their games get ported to PC. picrel
>direct conflict
lmao you're talking about toys. PC doesn't get high fidelity games when left to it's own eco system. These is nothing else to say, there is no comeback.
Considering consoles need to render games at 720p and then stretch + FSR them to be able to hit even 30 FPS at "4k", yes native 4k 60 is a showcase for PC even for a "console port."
Why would anyone willingly cut themselves off from a bunch of markets when they can sell on all platforms instead? It's just a dumb business decision that doesn't work unless a console manufacturer is paying them for it. Any game can demonstrate the power of PC through graphics settings, resolution and framerate while still tapping into console markets. This is why every time a consolegay brings up PC not having exclusives they genuinely just aren't equipped for the conversation and are suffering from brainrot.
PC has exclusives. Countless in fact. But what do they look like? Why are the best looking PC games console ports?
You're dodging the point. PC doesn't need any exclusives and always wins out in graphical fidelity. It's because of the advantages of PC hardware over consoles and unparalleled user freedom that it exists as a market in the first place.
>implying
All modern games need to be gimped for consoles, you do know that, right?
>NOOO PCS ARE TOO EXPENSIVE
>Yes I will pay a yearly subscription fee for the privilege of playing my games online for the entire console generation, put up with worse game sales, and I will rebuy my games every console generation, what do you mean? Nintendo can charge $60 for their games till the end of time and I won't have a problem with it 🙂
>worse game sales
Is this 2010? The sales are literally exactly the same.
>Nintendo can charge $60 for their games till the end of time and I won't have a problem with it 🙂
God forbid a game retain value. Gotta buy those digital licenses!
>God forbid a game retain value
defending paying $60 for a 5 year old game like it's a good thing is hilarious
>Defending worthless digital keys
>Complaining that people get to buy games that are actually worth money
>worthless digital keys
lol?
>complaining about getting israeliteed and paying full price for old games as opposed to sucking nintendo's dick for the privilege of paying full price for half decade old games
you are a cultist
>Talks up Nintendo
>HURPY DURPY DO, LOOK AT THIS XBOX AND PS5 GAME THAT WILL CRASH IN PRICE AT THE SAME RATE AS THE PC PORT
Do you honestly believe nintendo is going to have physical releases forever? No console is. That shit will end within the next decade.
The split between digital only PS5 and disc version is so far apart even Sony won't go all digital within the next few generations.
>put up with worse game sales
Physical copies are usually cheaper than any digital sale and aren't time-limited.
Nintendo games rarely use "value", even used some morons expect to resell the game for almost full price
any PC in the world can run zombie panic, co-op horror, free on steam if u download today
>console manchild tries to debate against PC's
>reveals they have no fricking idea what they're talking about
Every single time.
Look, I also hate overpriced garbage PC parts but your are in no way forced to get them, maybe unless you are playing the most unoptimized AAA slop which runs like hot garbage regardless of the platform.
I also feel kind of sad because I did see the point of owning a console in the past. Great exlusives, no installing, optimized performance, "it just works". All of that is gone now.
Exclusivity is a thing of the past and outdated business model. It's sad that Creepy Tim over at Epic Games didn't get the memo.
It's nice that he's paying for copies, but I'd rather buy them on steam.
Poors shouldn't be considered human
I'm a poor Balkan slav Black person and I could afford a new PC with a RTX 3070 in 2020. You westerners have no fricking excuse to be gaming on consoles in 2023.
>hurrr console le bad!
>hurrr PC le bad!
I thought the whole PC vs console thing died out in like 2015
you dont need EXPENSIVE FRICKING PC to run games
No you dont you can get a 700$ pc with specs on par with an average game console
Not only that you don't have to pay for online you can upgrade it and you can do a lot more with a PC
Isn't a console plus 5 games like $900?
You can definitely afford a PC with that kind of money and then enjoy constant sales, cheap games and even piracy if that's your thing.
If you "can't afford a pc" you have more important things to take care of instead of videogames. Beef up that savings account, get those retirement investments in order, etc.
>Not everyone can afford a $400 PC with practical application outside of gaming
>But everyone can afford a $500 console with no games
>$10 for a Windows key
>A minimum of $20 for both the mouse and keyboard
>A monitor that isn't factored in the cost unless you're willing to factor a $200-1000 TV into the cost of a console
>Cables that are either shipped with the rig if its a precon or sold with the parts if not
That adds $30 unless you're talking about Canadian money (worthless)
>k*ll
Zoomers and gen alpha will bring about the advent of newspeak all on their own through just how much they pointlessly self-censor over their fears of baseless rumors of "THE ALGORITHM" censoring them.
Also frick your twitter screencap thread.
Pc of course meaning
>LE EBIN BATTLESTATION RGB RTX X080 GO BIG OR GO HOME HAHA
Meanwhile consoles basically all have 10 year old mid range hardware with a modern ssd. A comparable pc is the same price or less, usually less.
It'll never die when you have people who buy consoles only to play FIFA
>gayman PCs cost less than current or past gen consoles trust me bro
what year is it?