Is he right? do videogames not have to be fun?
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Is he right? do videogames not have to be fun?
Is he right? do videogames not have to be fun?
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extremely low quality e celeb thread
>even recognizing this as an eceleb
You and everyone that posts in this thread, me included, really needs to go back
Video games aren't art. They are children's toys and there is nothing wrong with that.
Toys are meant to be fun to play with.
He's saying using it as excuse to hide your clear disingenuous argument is being obtuse.
Fun is subjective, when you mean fun to you it can be mindless shooters, to others it can mean telling story that you don't like cause it's consider "woke" despite not being at all.
Every tweet this guy makes is made to distract from the fact that he is a pedophile
>"is vaush right about [blank]"
no
Based.
This man jerk offs to children being raped.
That is what he is saying, all of this is justifying him watching illegal videos of children, little baby girls being raped my adult men.
Vaush in these comments are defending his addiction to child rape videos.
This is disgusting.
I feel like this is an outdated way to view it when every zoomer has a smartphone with access to the internet and they can film themselves and distribute it with the press of like 2 buttons
it's worse if you have to interact with egirls because god knows when one of those bawds is going to randomly drop nudes in your dms
Out-fricking-PACED
>Top-left says child porn is fine if you don't pay for it
>Both bottom arguments are saying child porn is fine even if you pay for it
Well, which is it?
Vaush is on the record admitting that he's willing to compromise and contradict any of his positions at any given time if it makes "political" (optical) sense for him to do so. It makes sense that he'd flip-flop on this too.
https://twitter.com/BionicMeatloaf/status/1517745701823856643
Vaush thread
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A fricking thread, made solely to talk about Vaush.
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Games with painful load times or painful framerates are always high quality.
>twatter
>ehomosexual
>Vaush
Why are you using a year old twitter screenshot from a horsefricking fat pedophile?
have a nice day what a shitty thread
>"If a game isn't fun, why bother?" Black Nintendo man.
He's black??!
He's not wrong. Interactive experiences can be more than just a toy.
98% of vidya are fun though. The 2% that go for a unique thing rarely succeed.
Oh tell me more about the 100% unexplored undeveloped artistic axis of interactivity, frickface.
Film has been around for over a hundred years and out of a million movies painstakingly made, maybe a handful are ART, are EXPERIENCES, that can CHANGE A HUMAN.
Video games/interactivity has EXACTLY ZERO works of art, or even inklings of clues of what direction to go to possibly find art within it. But it won't be found.
Interactivity and world building is the art of God.
Not you, humanoid
>Interactivity and world building is the art of God.
So anything containing interactivity and world building is art?
If it causes an emotional reaction in you, it's art.
Games are toys and have always been toys, get over yourself, you're not an art connoisseur because you play video games
Well made toys can be artistic.
Nice job being a disingenuous frick.
>stubbing your toe is art
>I'm moronic
Not an argument. You gave a definition that would include acts such as stubbing your toe. Revise your definition of art so it doesn't include stubbing your toe, or admit you can't define it and thus has no meaning.
>include acts such as stubbing your toe
The world is a stage, as they say. When I stub my toe, I am given a revelation by God, that I might sublimate my will to anger with the comfort in knowing that all I ever have been, and am in this moment, is for a given purpose: my life as an expression of God's great work.
We are all great works of art!
Art is a matter of "interpretation". It's just as much something you "put in" as it is you "get out".
It's kind of an empty signifier. It's a massive fricking meme, whatever it is. homosexuals won't stop arguing about it.
Explain why people cover their houses (and sometimes bodies) in video game items then. How is that any different from some dude obsessed with LOTR or star wars?
>maybe a handful are ART, are EXPERIENCES, that can CHANGE A HUMAN
by what metric?
By his metric, as the protagonist of the world.
>Communist propagandist talking about art
>Calls video games an artistic medium
Hold this L leftoids
the left hates him ever since he endorsed Biden.
Fashies get the bashies
They don't, and I don't have to buy them.
videogames don't have to be anything
No, video games can be scary, moving, depressing, uplifting, draining, empowering and a hundred other things. It does not necessarily have to be "fun".
The only thing that matters in a video game is that it is entertaining, in whatever form needed to achieve that.
If you are not entertained, you should not bother, and neither should the dev.
Because a game that isn't entertaining is worthless.
Vaush is the biggest fricking pseud on the planet. The Sargon of the left.
But Sargon is a leftist by most peoples standards already.
This is why we didn't want videogames to become recognized as art
i havent kept up with these morons but does destiny still live rent free in his head?
He's right, but he's a huge moronic homosexual pedophile so I'm actually retracting my agreement.
>Breadtuber
>Hates fun
Why am I not surprised?
People who exclusively want games to be fun are the same morons who think movies should only be Marvel CGI quipfests. Probably stems from the Druckmann interview where he says that they call Uncharted "fun" and The Last of Us "engaging". I wouldn't call a song about the artist's wife dying of cancer "The feel-good hit of the summer".
Vaush is a homosexual but I'm not going to pretend to be moronic to own him epic style on an Chilean basket-weaving forum
fat pedophile cuckold
Reminder that after destiny's manifesto this guy is about to get fricking nuked once people find out he unironically Harvey Weinstein'd a girl
>a girl
>a single girl
oh poor anon you have much darker secrets to uncover...
>actually giving a frick what some midget who decided the next step of his career of commentating on starcraft 2 matches was to talk politics thinks or does
Christ. I bet you still follow sargon and andy warski and all the other internet bloodsports homosexuals like the kiwisperg manchild you are.
This is the trash these threads attracts.
Nobody cares, people are too busy complaining about the troony shit still.
Who? Get a life Black person
reddit
Fun is subjective. I like to be forced to overcome stupid odds (helps if the game cheats). Bullet hell games and things like that are fun to me. Some people prefer to build shit in a multiplayer setting and go with Minecraft. That's their own perception of fun. In the end, you play games because they're fun, but that definition of fun comes from your own preferences. I can't see someone willingly putting a lot of time and effort into a game they don't find fun, unless it's to make a video of how awful it is. In that, the process itself is the fun.
isn't his wife some fricking mexican ogre?
Games are digital toys. Vaush & co should move on to the artistic medium of music or whatever where their "superior insights" are no doubt a better fit.
If you don't want your game to be fun, go ahead. Just don't be surprised that no one wants to play it.
"Fun": enjoyable
Hitman blood money and fallout new Vegas are not fun in the same sense that mario kart is fun, but everyone will describe that they felt "fun" playing these games
Fun is a metric of enjoyment. Not an emotion.
Games are supposed to be fun, they have an interactive element to them, they are supposed to keep you engaged, besides Pathologic is barely a game and it's fricking trash for pseuds
Vaush has never had an interesting though and it shows in his fanbase
I play games to have fun
If I want other emotions I would read a book or watch a movie
I think a better term than "fun" should be "enjoyable." And there are various ways that someone can enjoy something. You may like survival horror because you enjoy the thrill of being stressed out and scared. You may like extremely difficult games because you enjoy being able to overcome harsh challenges. You may accept some annoying shit because you know (or hope) you'll enjoy the payoff that will come later. But if I don't enjoy playing a game in some fashion then I drop it.
The purpose of a video game is to be fun.
It is a toy, a diversion, something to engage the consumer.
There can be artistic merit in them but absence of artistic merit does not negate the value of a game. Fun is also a metric and the amount of fun a game provides can not grant it any depth.
A game that's not fun is like a barren woman and a game that only provides the most surface level of fun is like a prostitute on the street. The ideal game is fun in ways that stimulate the player to grow and think.
>pedophile
opinion discarded
A fun game still has to make you suffer sometimes for it to really be impactful. It's what makes a game feel like a real adventure and journey. Older games discovered this by accident since their real goal was to just kill you so you put another quarter in, and then it was to pad the game for time. But the feeling of coming out of a miserable pokemon cave was one of the best feelings you could get from games at the time. The whole game doesn't have to be CBT but torturing the player a little bit makes the fun a lot more fun.
I'm not having an argument about "art" unless you can give a clear definition of "art" that includes everything that has traditionally been called "art" but does not include things that are not traditionally called "art".
Any arguing done without having an agreed upon definition just becomes an argument of semantics.
Have a e-girl.
>Any arguing done without having an agreed upon definition just becomes an argument of semantics.
If everybody agreed upon a definition of what constituted "art", wouldn't they have to agree on what to take away from any image they look at? The difference is its significance, and while I agree that you can abuse this kind of thing you can't really throw it away either without throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
You will never settle on a definition of "art" that satisfies everyone, nor the conditions you're speaking of. It is one of the most charged in our vocabulary. People do not agree on what it is, and that is why art exists. It cannot exist without that disagreement.
Meaningless babbling. You're just proving my point. Arguments about whether something is art or not are just arguments about what art is. Since art has no set definition, arguments about what art is never reach a consensus because it's up to personal definition. How can you logically argue about something that is not logical? And if it's up to personal definition, then the entire concept makes no fricking sense to begin with. I could replace art with any random sound and it would just as much sense i.e. kamplix. I think video games and music are kamplix but movies are not kamplix. Prove me wrong.
This is literally not how speech works in any group of peoples ever.
Vaush is a gay pedo liberal who has admitted to jerking off to e-girls and wants to kill babies. His opinion means less than the average ant on the street
Based Vaush. How does he make so many chuddies seethe?
>communist
>condones CP
>"games are art" argument
Even though all it takes is three strikes to be out, in the case of this guy all he needs is the one. In any order.
People who use "art" as the metric for a video game are hipsters desperately trying to pretend they're not playing a video game so they "play" glorified movie games.
>is a communist
>literal 1%er from the Hollywood hills
>Go on website
>They're talking about how much they hate vaush
>he's a basedboy cuck vegan leftist commie
>Go on other website
>They're talking about how much they hate vaush
>he's a fascist nazi sympathizer fricking conservative piece of shit
>Go on other other website
>They're talking about how much they hate vaush
Are you guys completely certain that vaush is a real person and not just a social experiment being performed on all of you?
I like him solely because he manages to piss so many people off.
At this point in my life that's about all I can hope for in a person. Never watched this doughy beardo but anyone who can make the most whiny c**ts on the internet upset has to have something going for them.
>I like Epstein solely because he manages to piss so many people off.
good to know, anon.
Same, him jerking off to videos of little defenseless girls being raped is nothing compared to his harmful views upsetting people.
You must really like Destiny then
You must be at least 5'8 to be respected by your fellow man. Even that is pushing it.
He's actually 5'9, all those manlet pictures are photoshopped
>
Smaller hitbox than the rest, not impressed.
He was gay, audie murphy?
He's a bumbling moron that spreads himself thin for the sake of maintaining a brand that he can't uphold. I'm not surprised he angers a diverse group of people when he gets so much wrong.
Well, if go down to the Borden in Mexico, there isn't fun, over there it's AQUA.
you can over design a gun to make it a work of art, but then it loses its original purpose of being a weapon since it isn't likely to be fired; it no longer is a gun, it's art. same with games. if the intention is not to be fun, it ceases to be a game.
Games exist to entertain, this nebulous idea of "fun" that will have five different definitions from five different people just muddies the waters. If you're playing a video game and you're captivated by it, whether it's because of pure gameplay or some artsy shit seems pretty irrelevant. It's performing its job either way.
>this nebulous idea of "fun"
and yet you use words like entertain and artsy. that's fun, you idiot
Because I already qualified it by saying you must be captivated. There's some ineffable quality that keeps you coming back, to reduce that feeling down to "fun" is some serious manchild shit. Fricking 8th graders in adult bodies all over the place, very embarrassing.
this is why anyone who wanted video games to be seen as 'art' should be eating their words by now
unless of course, they enjoy such fart huffery
>twitter opinion of a literal nobody
One of my favourite games just isn't fun. It's engaging, I wanted to complete it, but it deliberately makes things unfun as possible during actual gameplay. It all serves an actual point, but at times I just wanted to drop it because I was tired of endlessly running around the island.
>One of my favourite games just isn't fun. It's engaging
Summed it up right there, a game absolutely needs to be engaging in some form because of the time you're likely investing in it.
I had fun playing Pathologic so no, he's not right, I guess.
He sounds like a gay but I agree.
Pathologic isnt "fun" but there is some level of satisfaction surviving to see the next day.
Vacuuming your home isnt fun but its satisfying to dump all the dust into the trash when you finish.
>Is he right?
no
Are you guys ready for an even bigger influx of tourists?
He just described Drakengard's appeal so yes
>fun is an emotion
You know you guys will never find a singular answer to this, it's a pointless discussion. Each individual person has wildly different tastes in what they want in media, how could you ever possibly pigeonhole an entire media platform into one concept? That doesn't really work with movies, books, music, can't see how it would work with games.
Works for sports which is a type of game
I suppose if there's a physical aspect to it then maybe, but even then you get sports nerds waxing about the "art" of baseball or a "beautiful" pick and roll. If you get into something enough you start to consider it an art form because it has greater meaning to you.
Nah he's a homosexual.
t. someone who works in the games industry and hates these homosexuals (also I have a massive wiener)
what grueling experience? you played a video game you enjoyed and guess what, you probably had fun while doing it, even if it wasn't bing bing wahoo crap. This homosexuals talking about Pathologic, he didn't go through BUD/S or some shit.
Funny seeing you homosexuals trash talk Vaush, but he'd still fricking embarrass you infront of millions of people if you even tried debating him. He knows his shit. He btfos every fricking right winger
He said exclusively use fun as the metric
damn that's crazy
Thank god, video games will never be art and thus do not need pretentiousness to be used as measurement.
Fun is adequate. It's the only measurement that matters.
This is who lefties take spiritual advice for their religion from?
Never played Pathologic. Is it a troony game?
Vaush is bad, but that fricking homosexual Hasan is even worse.
Fricking homosexual that larps as a communist while living in a million dollar mansion
his autistic fans just use that fricking moronic "Participate in society LOL" meme over and over if you question this, as if it is not hypocritical that he is le communist, but lives like a fricking king as if he needs it
That's the most clown world shit ever, communists are a complete joke
It's champagne socialism taken to an insane extreme.
>LE KARDASHIANS ARE LYING TO YOU
Most influential lefty streamer btw.
I don’t blame him for that. If I was a Turkroach and dumb Americans bankrolled me for saying whatever they wanted to hear to the tune of millions of dollars I would do the same.
it's just more proof most human are sub 80iq morons that might as while be culled by the rich or their dumb commie friends you just can't help/save people this dumb or blind
What do you mean? It perfectly illustrates why "real communism" has never been tried and will never be tried.
is this vags dud is just a horny bastard with a microphone and webcam?
t. doesn't watch e-celebs except my oshi kson
10 years gao neckbeards like this guy would be prime targeta of mockery for having a room full of e-girl porn and dakimakuras and shit
Hes right that video games dont have to be fun, however if I play your unfun video game I Will not play your next game.
Why doesn't tiny just give in already and start hating trannies