Looking at achievements, less than 1/4 of players could beat DMC5 in any difficulty, and a little over half of those could beat both his fights without continues.
Given the game sold over 5 million copies, statistically speaking, he filtered around 3.75 millions. And that's just on the starting difficulties.
For comparison the achivement rate for mission 18 is almost 45%. That's a 20% drop, but it's skewed by the two starting difficulties so it's impossible to tell how many people played either but not anything else. Nonetheless the drop for SoS is even steeper, as it's 7.5%. Not to speak of DMD (4%), BP (3%) or HaH (2%).
I think there were a lot of people who went in expecting something similar to Souls but the complexity goes over their heads. I say Souls but the lack of a dedicated dodge button really upset some people.
A very worthy contender, yes. I appreciate the degree of interplay and replay value boss Vergil has in 5. Very cathartic character to load up after you job to a particular room of enemies with another character.
I’d say that he’s a bit overtelegraphed in his moves, compared to his 3 incarnation.
I wish Nero's fight didn't allow you to use Breakers like the first time. Same with the Prologue. If you really need to do those fights with Breakers there's BP.
Nah I'm fine with that. The only thing I miss from the fight are Nero's perma-wings. Those + Devil Bringer should work like Dante's hair input.
Also the big Frick You.
looking at the stats myself it seems that around 50% of players reached vergil, and around half of those were filtered by one of his two fights, meaning vergil filtered more around only 1.3 million. an impressive total regardless.
Not even close
based choice as well
while i love the fight, I think the title goes to Senator Armstrong.
Vergil's a great contender though.
MGR has a lot of cool going on in its presentation but honestly I can't help but feel its gameplay is really lacking. Not a bad game by any means but it's not something I find myself feeling urged to replay.
Also I like Monsoon more anyway I wish you weren't perma ripper mode in that fight.
I think what he needs is not more aggression but more moves. The beauty of 5's fight is as you say, the sheer variety whereas Vergil 3 was more restrictive.
>Fantastic dynamic with the MC and player >Rival character perfected >Good boss fights which build up throughout the game >Recurring foe in three of the games >Edgy katana swordsman in a trenchcoat is cringe but because its DMC its cringe kino and just works >Good character with some subtlety and depth >Really fun to play in the Special Editions
They did so much right in DMC3 that they raised the bar and no one else has reached it. At least for action titles.
DMC1: has Vergil, good game
DMC2: no Vergil, shitty game
DMC3: has Vergil, good game
DMC4: only Vergil's influence, half a game
DmC: shitty Vergil, shitty game
DMC5: has three Vergils, good game
>DMC6 >only one Vergil but he's a fully playable protagonist
Will it be an upgrade or downgrade? I really can't imagine where the franchise can go from here though.
It would be really weird for Vergil to be present and not have a boss fight, even if it was some friendly sparring or a bonus thing, there being no stakes to said fight would take away from what made them special.
Nero has no daddy issues, he gave 0 fricks about Vergil until Dante spelled it out in his face, and even then he interfered on their fight because he's a lawgay, though I suppose he *did* want to be recognized near the end.
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>Nero has no daddy issues, he gave 0 fricks about Vergil until Dante spelled it out in his face
Why do you think he gets so triggered by Dante calling him dead weight? He must've thought Dante was his dad.
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He gets triggered because he thought he was useful to Donte
Actually I don't know, it was incredibly gay holy shit Nero is gay
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He didn't necessarily have to think Dante was his dad to get so assmad. It could just be that Dante is basically the only remotely close thing to a father figure he had ever had at that point
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Nero just gets shit on throughout the whole game, he loses Yamato, the Qlipoth happens because of it, he feels like he dissapointed Dante (he was only telling him to run away for his own safety), jobs against Urizen two times, gets sidelined, should I continue?
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He also might think Dante is dead for what's basically his fault, and he knows V is keeping things from him and pretty much ends up using him.
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Thing is, Nero was friends with V, he essentially got to know who his father truly is, and I think that played more into him saving Vergil too than the whole family thing.
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Now that you mention it, Nero also saw Vergil when he was dying, which Dante never did.
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Dante was just a c**t to V.
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Dante was a c**t to everyone in 5, he was an unlikable bum.
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>calls you deadweight >leaves you to die >fuses Rebellion and Sparda in front of you >leaves you naked at the side of a road >has the big cojones to attack from the back >takes both your rocket launchers >doesn't elaborate
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>calls you deadweight >leaves you to die >fuses Rebellion and Sparda in front of you >leaves you naked at the side of a road >has the big cojones to attack from the back >takes both your rocket launchers >doesn't elaborate
He did a cool dance for Nico to show that he liked the hat she gave him, though.
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Why can't he just say thanks like a normal person?
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He's a super autist who's spent the last few years only talking to the pizza delivery guy while sitting in his pitch black office, shitting in his toilets with the water disconnected.
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Everyone else was tortured by it, Lady even had to despawn from the game.
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>should I continue
Gets his shit kicked in right in front of Kyrie/Nico, loses arm, loses DT, feeling weak as shit, am I missing anything.
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Everyone keeps him from going to Vergil as if he was going to kill him but he NEVER said anything that would imply so.
>one new weapon
Between the Arms and the guns, Dante has 6 to 10+ weapons in every game.
Nero in 5 has a sword, a gun, a special arm and 8/12 add-ons for said
Unless Mirage Blades get new moves or he gets new ranged attacks, you would need more than one new weapon for Vergil to match them >Mirage Blades >Yamato >Mirage Edge >new gauntlets
I'd argue two completely new Arms, not counting the new gauntlets, should be in order. A total of six weapons like D4nte, who had one of the smallest arsenals in the series.
You're just looking at this in broad numbers and not how each character handles their different parts. Nero has one sword, but that sword has the best moveset in the series and has an extra mechanic that affects all of its moves. His Bringer has a variety of functions more than just an attack, and his gun has multiple levels of shooting that do different things. His DT improves all those things in drastic ways too. His Breakers are simple, but they're heavily specialized and very powerful if used correctly.
Vergil is somewhere between Nero and Dante. His Concentration and SDT heavily affect everything his weapons do, so it's not right to do a direct comparison with Dante's weapons, which all have their own separate mechanics and flows to them. He also handles guns completely differently, since for example Yamato has extremely good ranged abilities, and Mirage Edge is not too far behind. And he has his Doppelganger.
More than new weapons, I'm certain if we ever see Vergil in a canonical fashion, he's going to get some completely new mechanic like Nero with the Breakers or Dante with SDT. What Yamato represents to Vergil is a lot more than what Beowulf or Mirage Edge do, so him getting a true new weapon would mean more than getting a couple new moves.
I'll be honest, I prefer the final Jeanne fight in Bayonetta 1 to Vergil 3 (fricking bullshit), Nelo Angelo 3, and DMC5 Vergil's fight. I like fighting Monsoon in MGR more too. My favorite boss fight is Henry Cooldown in No More Heroes 1.
Doesn't the final Jeanne fight have a section where the camera stops focusing on you while the building you're on starts falling but the fight keeps going? And actual QTEs? And doesn't it come after a long shmup section?
This could be me not figuring out his moveset but isn't monsoon mostly just blocking until you can hit him. Once i learned to not attack him when he's dismembered the fight became piss easy and blocking him is just as easy since he has like 3 moves
>So we all agree DMCV has the best soundtrack in the series right?
No. That's Devil May Cry 1 and 3. I don't care for the boss themes in DMC5 other than Caveliere Angelo's theme. The Vergil boss fight theme is nothing compared to Ultra Violet. Bury the Light is good, but there's too many lackluster tracks.
DMC5's OST literally has Ultra Violet in it. And a bunch of other themes from the other games. And remixes of Griffon, Shadow, Nightmare and Nobody's themes.
I have a confession to make. I like fighting Reboot Vergil in the Definitive Edition version of DmC. I wish I could find the list of changes he got from the original game because there were a ton like aerial parry, more health, no health regen, ect...
It will likely be them reuniting at the end so there will be some stuff. Vergil trying not to lose his shit seeing Nero's form with the blade will be kino.
I like DMC3 Vergil more, though it's largely for plot reasons.
>arena is cooler >OST is fully orchestral, incorporates the main motiff, and has a melancholy choir underpinning how tragic the fight is >Vergil is using the ultimate weapon Mcguffin against you and hits like a total truck because of it >his voice lines feel more desperate and flustered than the rest. He's really pushing himself to his limit >fight shifts to pure survival mode when he does his DT carpetbomb attacks. :VWOOM VWOOM VWOOM VWOOMctchk" just sounds cool >is the original final boss Vergil >seems to gain more moves on harder difficulties than 5 Vergil does >is a legit fight to the death built up since the opening credits, doesn't become a friendly game like it does with Nero. Ending cutscene is super emotional and tragic, you can't help but like him for "dying" on his own terms while asking Dante to leave >is a natural culmination of the other two fights, taking most of his moves from there and adding more on top
I've played tons of sam so i dunno the fight as raiden or sam kinda blends in and it's just intense as hell
I gotta say. playing as Vergil against dante i was able to beat him but chaining air perfect judgement cuts with the clone is so fricking OP it's hard not to fallback to it all the time especially when you're getting your ass handed to you with most move dante pulls
Overall, I think 5 is better than 3, but this here vergil boss is one of the few things 3 has over 5 imo. The arena is way too big for its own good in 5, and he's overall easier to beat than in 3. The music in 3 is also better for these fights (silver bullet is an absolute banger, but specifically for the dante version of the fights, 3's music is better)
Haven't played any of the games but I like a few songs and I'm looking for more like it. The ones I like Rules of Nature, It has to be this way, The Only Thing I Know For Real, and Bury the Light. What other songs are similar to those?
>"You're dead weight!" The bitter shout of a man who was prepared to die. No one had to die but him. He entrusted the future to those he believed in.
ngl that's kinda fricked up fr fr
Isshin and Vergil (DMC3) are two of my recent favorite final bosses. It really felt like I was being respected as a player to use all that I learned to beat them. There are probably ways to cheese them but winning the duel with style and grace makes it so much satisfying. Your ego gets boosted.
DMC3 Vergil is overrated as frick, constant superarmor, his DT phase is basically a run and gun type situation and ETC
His other fights in 3 were better IMO
Fricking love Vergil, but Sword Saint Isshin is up there as well. Loved how the fight was just a raw test of skill and that "Hesitation is defeat" is literally the best clue on how to beat him.
Isshin had a great set-up and characterization, but I wish he'd felt more... unique, I guess is the word. Compared to the stuff Vergil does in his two games he just feels like another fight. Owl in both his fights and funnily enough old Isshin felt more special.
5 vergil doesn't feel aggressive enough. first time i fought vergil 3 i recall being surprised by the frequency of his attacks. the presentation and overall impact of the fight was better in 3s final boss than 5s imo.
Vergil being overly aggressive would ironically make him easier because he's only open to damage whenever he's attacking or in recovery. This is the entire reason why his DT makes him way harder, since you can only hurt him while he attacks but doing so won't stop him from doing it. That, combined with the fact that in 5 he can't be knocked out of DT and he starts repeating attacks over and over make him way harder than in 3.
It's a fight where you're not going to lose in one go, but doing repeated mistakes will be your demise and many of them will be due to you getting in trouble you didn't need to. He's exactly what he should be for a game like this.
NTA but if you don't know how to take out Doppel quick it's harder than Vergil 3's JCE. If I had to complain about any part of the fight being slow or easy it's gotta be the Dive Bomb unless you know how to stop him outright.
I think this is what makes Vergil in 3 stand out. The player sets the tempo of the fight and the difficulty dictates how fast you need to set the tempo to actually win against his regeneration. It really gives that "at each other's necks" feel for players who want to push the fight to the limit. The biggest disappointment of Vergil in 5 for me was him not immediately responding with a melee attack after shooting him 3 times.
That was referring to 5, actually. In 3, like you mentioned, the game more or less sets the difficulty for you, but at the beginning of his fight in 5, if you sit back and take shots at him, Vergil will also sit back and take shots at you.
I think this is what makes Vergil in 3 stand out. The player sets the tempo of the fight and the difficulty dictates how fast you need to set the tempo to actually win against his regeneration. It really gives that "at each other's necks" feel for players who want to push the fight to the limit. The biggest disappointment of Vergil in 5 for me was him not immediately responding with a melee attack after shooting him 3 times.
Also, not saying that 3 is bad for doing that, just stating that that's what happens. I think it works especially well for 3 narratively.
No but he is still an excellent bossfight much better than Vergil 3 mechanicly, since he doesn't vanish into thin air for 70% of fight spamming helmbreaker/judgment cuts while regenerating health.
Listen you frickers, you screwheads, here's a man who would not take it anymore. A man who would not let
Listen, you frickers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the c**ts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who woke up to justice.
DMC3 Final Vergil is IMO the best boss fight of all time. Great buildup, great fight, great setting and song. It's traditional but that's not a bad thing, it's like the all time classic.
>Armstrong
All time winner for spectacle but the fight's not perfect and it's just just a little bit bloated. It's not JUST the fight. >The Boss
It's thematically cool, but it's also a gimmick boss. learn the CQC counter for her and she's like the easiest fight in the game.
Bros I only played the first DMC way back in the day, how's the trilogy collection on pc? I've got a controller, so I don't have to worry about shitty controls. Is it worth it?
It good. There's a few missing effects due to problems they had with the source code for the games, but they're completely playable. Well, DMC2 isn't, but that's got nothing to do with the HD Collection.
Also, if you're planning to play 4 make sure it's 4SE.
>dmc 1
Completed with DMD >dmc 2
sped through it on normal, as one does through a minority ghetto at night >dmc 3
beat it on normal, hard and DMD
then started with Vergil playthrough, but burnout got to me >dmc 4
i am here
He's piss easy and the fight has zero intensity
Looking at achievements, less than 1/4 of players could beat DMC5 in any difficulty, and a little over half of those could beat both his fights without continues.
Given the game sold over 5 million copies, statistically speaking, he filtered around 3.75 millions. And that's just on the starting difficulties.
>3/4 people got bored and quit
Is what you're actually trying to say.
This is probably true. Few people actually beat their games.
For comparison the achivement rate for mission 18 is almost 45%. That's a 20% drop, but it's skewed by the two starting difficulties so it's impossible to tell how many people played either but not anything else. Nonetheless the drop for SoS is even steeper, as it's 7.5%. Not to speak of DMD (4%), BP (3%) or HaH (2%).
I think there were a lot of people who went in expecting something similar to Souls but the complexity goes over their heads. I say Souls but the lack of a dedicated dodge button really upset some people.
there's already a jump button though. Also anyone have the screen cap of souls players complaining over action games? Shit's hilarious
You have no idea how much people waste money and after that just don't care anymore of what they bought
A very worthy contender, yes. I appreciate the degree of interplay and replay value boss Vergil has in 5. Very cathartic character to load up after you job to a particular room of enemies with another character.
I’d say that he’s a bit overtelegraphed in his moves, compared to his 3 incarnation.
I wish his fight against Nero wasn't that easy. You can wail him TOO MUCH when he gets staggered, should be just a couple seconds.
The VS Dante fight was for all intents and purposes the "final boss" of the game. The VS Nero fight was just an extra for story closure.
I get it on something like DH, but by DMD...
You can't give Nero shit like the ability to easily destroy his doppelganger with a single button press and expect things to be challenging.
As if Quad S or a DT Stinger doesn't completely melt Doppelganger. Even a single Royal Revenge IIRC.
I wish Nero's fight didn't allow you to use Breakers like the first time. Same with the Prologue. If you really need to do those fights with Breakers there's BP.
Nah I'm fine with that. The only thing I miss from the fight are Nero's perma-wings. Those + Devil Bringer should work like Dante's hair input.
Also the big Frick You.
looking at the stats myself it seems that around 50% of players reached vergil, and around half of those were filtered by one of his two fights, meaning vergil filtered more around only 1.3 million. an impressive total regardless.
based choice as well
MGR has a lot of cool going on in its presentation but honestly I can't help but feel its gameplay is really lacking. Not a bad game by any means but it's not something I find myself feeling urged to replay.
Also I like Monsoon more anyway I wish you weren't perma ripper mode in that fight.
What Vergil did more? filter or kill?
How is this possible when the game shits yellow orbs at you constantly?
You're not accounting for the people who beat the game on Human mode.
or that most people who bought dmc5 only played the first few missions then got bored and dropped the game because it's shit
>the fight has zero intensity
that's just not true, especially in dmd
had more fun fighting him than 90% of fromsoftware games
>He's bad because he's not...le hard!
Midwit take, there's plenty of bosses that are insanely difficult that are way worse than DMC5 Vergil. Including DMC3 Vergil on DMD.
I would argue yes. Nearly every aspect is at the top of its game.
nope, that honor still belongs to God Hand
Yes he is
Not only a good boss but fun as hell character to play as well
Could probably have been more aggressive.
He's almost certainly one of the most 'interactive'. The amount of clashes and such you can do is crazy.
I think what he needs is not more aggression but more moves. The beauty of 5's fight is as you say, the sheer variety whereas Vergil 3 was more restrictive.
I want to be like him so much bros
I wish I were a half-demon too
Best character, yes. Best boss, probably not.
Not sure about that but why is Vergil so fricking cool?
Why is he so fricking beloved here? Honestly even outside of here it seems he's probably the fan favorite character in all of DMC, how does he do it?
he is the "I studied the blade" persona done right
>Fantastic dynamic with the MC and player
>Rival character perfected
>Good boss fights which build up throughout the game
>Recurring foe in three of the games
>Edgy katana swordsman in a trenchcoat is cringe but because its DMC its cringe kino and just works
>Good character with some subtlety and depth
>Really fun to play in the Special Editions
They did so much right in DMC3 that they raised the bar and no one else has reached it. At least for action titles.
DMC3 is literally the greatest action beat em up game ever made.
DMC1: has Vergil, good game
DMC2: no Vergil, shitty game
DMC3: has Vergil, good game
DMC4: only Vergil's influence, half a game
DmC: shitty Vergil, shitty game
DMC5: has three Vergils, good game
>DMC6
>only one Vergil but he's a fully playable protagonist
Will it be an upgrade or downgrade? I really can't imagine where the franchise can go from here though.
It would be really weird for Vergil to be present and not have a boss fight, even if it was some friendly sparring or a bonus thing, there being no stakes to said fight would take away from what made them special.
The stakes are that Dante and Vergil are tied, and if Vergil wins then he can make fun of Dante for a while.
Would prefer something like Dante Angelo before this Goku and Vegeta bullshit
>inb4 that's just Majin Vegeta
Upgrade if Vergil gets one new weapon, add some shit to the d pad, and have both a Dante and Nero boss fight.
>Nero boss fight.
4 and 5's had the perfect opportunities. Now what will they fight over? Nero's daddy issues autism again?
Vergil literally said he wanted to settle the score.
>Nero's daddy issues autism again?
Vergil did promised a next time and friendly sparring match will suffice.
I just don't see how it can be meaningful, they already had their bonding fight which also was Nero's ebin victory lap.
Nero has no daddy issues, he gave 0 fricks about Vergil until Dante spelled it out in his face, and even then he interfered on their fight because he's a lawgay, though I suppose he *did* want to be recognized near the end.
>Nero has no daddy issues, he gave 0 fricks about Vergil until Dante spelled it out in his face
Why do you think he gets so triggered by Dante calling him dead weight? He must've thought Dante was his dad.
He gets triggered because he thought he was useful to Donte
Actually I don't know, it was incredibly gay holy shit Nero is gay
He didn't necessarily have to think Dante was his dad to get so assmad. It could just be that Dante is basically the only remotely close thing to a father figure he had ever had at that point
Nero just gets shit on throughout the whole game, he loses Yamato, the Qlipoth happens because of it, he feels like he dissapointed Dante (he was only telling him to run away for his own safety), jobs against Urizen two times, gets sidelined, should I continue?
He also might think Dante is dead for what's basically his fault, and he knows V is keeping things from him and pretty much ends up using him.
Thing is, Nero was friends with V, he essentially got to know who his father truly is, and I think that played more into him saving Vergil too than the whole family thing.
Now that you mention it, Nero also saw Vergil when he was dying, which Dante never did.
Dante was just a c**t to V.
Dante was a c**t to everyone in 5, he was an unlikable bum.
>calls you deadweight
>leaves you to die
>fuses Rebellion and Sparda in front of you
>leaves you naked at the side of a road
>has the big cojones to attack from the back
>takes both your rocket launchers
>doesn't elaborate
He did a cool dance for Nico to show that he liked the hat she gave him, though.
Why can't he just say thanks like a normal person?
He's a super autist who's spent the last few years only talking to the pizza delivery guy while sitting in his pitch black office, shitting in his toilets with the water disconnected.
Everyone else was tortured by it, Lady even had to despawn from the game.
>should I continue
Gets his shit kicked in right in front of Kyrie/Nico, loses arm, loses DT, feeling weak as shit, am I missing anything.
Everyone keeps him from going to Vergil as if he was going to kill him but he NEVER said anything that would imply so.
>one new weapon
Between the Arms and the guns, Dante has 6 to 10+ weapons in every game.
Nero in 5 has a sword, a gun, a special arm and 8/12 add-ons for said
Unless Mirage Blades get new moves or he gets new ranged attacks, you would need more than one new weapon for Vergil to match them
>Mirage Blades
>Yamato
>Mirage Edge
>new gauntlets
I'd argue two completely new Arms, not counting the new gauntlets, should be in order. A total of six weapons like D4nte, who had one of the smallest arsenals in the series.
You're just looking at this in broad numbers and not how each character handles their different parts. Nero has one sword, but that sword has the best moveset in the series and has an extra mechanic that affects all of its moves. His Bringer has a variety of functions more than just an attack, and his gun has multiple levels of shooting that do different things. His DT improves all those things in drastic ways too. His Breakers are simple, but they're heavily specialized and very powerful if used correctly.
Vergil is somewhere between Nero and Dante. His Concentration and SDT heavily affect everything his weapons do, so it's not right to do a direct comparison with Dante's weapons, which all have their own separate mechanics and flows to them. He also handles guns completely differently, since for example Yamato has extremely good ranged abilities, and Mirage Edge is not too far behind. And he has his Doppelganger.
More than new weapons, I'm certain if we ever see Vergil in a canonical fashion, he's going to get some completely new mechanic like Nero with the Breakers or Dante with SDT. What Yamato represents to Vergil is a lot more than what Beowulf or Mirage Edge do, so him getting a true new weapon would mean more than getting a couple new moves.
I'll be honest, I prefer the final Jeanne fight in Bayonetta 1 to Vergil 3 (fricking bullshit), Nelo Angelo 3, and DMC5 Vergil's fight. I like fighting Monsoon in MGR more too. My favorite boss fight is Henry Cooldown in No More Heroes 1.
Doesn't the final Jeanne fight have a section where the camera stops focusing on you while the building you're on starts falling but the fight keeps going? And actual QTEs? And doesn't it come after a long shmup section?
This could be me not figuring out his moveset but isn't monsoon mostly just blocking until you can hit him. Once i learned to not attack him when he's dismembered the fight became piss easy and blocking him is just as easy since he has like 3 moves
the drop at the minute mark as the fight begins is just *chefs kiss*
His fights were better in 3
DMC3 version of him.
Hold my sake
So we all agree DMCV has the best soundtrack in the series right?
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
>So we all agree DMCV has the best soundtrack in the series right?
No. That's Devil May Cry 1 and 3. I don't care for the boss themes in DMC5 other than Caveliere Angelo's theme. The Vergil boss fight theme is nothing compared to Ultra Violet. Bury the Light is good, but there's too many lackluster tracks.
DMC5's OST literally has Ultra Violet in it. And a bunch of other themes from the other games. And remixes of Griffon, Shadow, Nightmare and Nobody's themes.
I have a confession to make. I like fighting Reboot Vergil in the Definitive Edition version of DmC. I wish I could find the list of changes he got from the original game because there were a ton like aerial parry, more health, no health regen, ect...
Do you lads hope DMC6 explores Nero and Vergil's relationship more?
I hope it explores Spardas and Vergil/Dante's relationship
It will likely be them reuniting at the end so there will be some stuff. Vergil trying not to lose his shit seeing Nero's form with the blade will be kino.
Not even close
Based God Hand chad
God Hand is so blazé. Call me the Devil Hand.
I wish some of these were actual tracks
I like DMC3 Vergil more, though it's largely for plot reasons.
>arena is cooler
>OST is fully orchestral, incorporates the main motiff, and has a melancholy choir underpinning how tragic the fight is
>Vergil is using the ultimate weapon Mcguffin against you and hits like a total truck because of it
>his voice lines feel more desperate and flustered than the rest. He's really pushing himself to his limit
>fight shifts to pure survival mode when he does his DT carpetbomb attacks. :VWOOM VWOOM VWOOM VWOOMctchk" just sounds cool
>is the original final boss Vergil
>seems to gain more moves on harder difficulties than 5 Vergil does
>is a legit fight to the death built up since the opening credits, doesn't become a friendly game like it does with Nero. Ending cutscene is super emotional and tragic, you can't help but like him for "dying" on his own terms while asking Dante to leave
>is a natural culmination of the other two fights, taking most of his moves from there and adding more on top
He was
while i love the fight, I think the title goes to Senator Armstrong.
Vergil's a great contender though.
Armstrong is a dogshit boss fight, anon.
He's almost as underwhelming a Sundowner. If anything from MGR is good, it's Sam.
I've played tons of sam so i dunno the fight as raiden or sam kinda blends in and it's just intense as hell
I gotta say. playing as Vergil against dante i was able to beat him but chaining air perfect judgement cuts with the clone is so fricking OP it's hard not to fallback to it all the time especially when you're getting your ass handed to you with most move dante pulls
I wish you fought him multiple times like in 3. Urishit doesn't count.
Urizen is so kino he needed four battle themes.
Arkham > Urine > Moondust > THE KEEEENG OF THIS WORLD > le evil pope
No disagreements here. Arkham is the best villain in the franchise.
Now that I notice, they never give Vergil THE villain role, always antagonist, in 1, in 3, in DmC and even in 5 with Urizen.
Should he had a fight against Dante when he revived instead of just the cutscene?
Overall, I think 5 is better than 3, but this here vergil boss is one of the few things 3 has over 5 imo. The arena is way too big for its own good in 5, and he's overall easier to beat than in 3. The music in 3 is also better for these fights (silver bullet is an absolute banger, but specifically for the dante version of the fights, 3's music is better)
Literally every single TF Devastation boss is better.
TF Devastation is just fricking great in general.
Man, platinum really can just take anything and make a good action game out of it.
What do you mean "anything"? It's Transformer, they've got decades of mecha animation to draw inspiration from.
I want them to do Chainsaw Man so hard it's unreal, would prefer Capcom, but that's even more impossible.
When was the last time Capcom did games for IPs they didn't own?
Nightmare Before Christmas? coincidentally, the only other action game I think they did besides DMC
Haven't played any of the games but I like a few songs and I'm looking for more like it. The ones I like Rules of Nature, It has to be this way, The Only Thing I Know For Real, and Bury the Light. What other songs are similar to those?
Smell of the game(guilty gear strive), devils never cry(dmc 3), philistine(no more heroes 2), Devil trigger(dmc 5)
Fought DMC5 Vergil for the first time while on a high dose of LSD and it was one of the best moments of my life
What does LSD make the fight look like?
Kino. I played it in 4k 60fps on Rtx 3070, 65 inch samsung tv with low response time and freesync
I can't imagine what Jet plane Vergil must be like
He's a fun punching bag in my book. Vergil 3 on DMD is unmatched though.
How’s it going, red?
Don't reply to him
Good. Havent been up to much lately though. Took a break from doom and dmc and looking to playing something else. What about you?
Good. DMC 5 practicing getting better as V.
Nice. Didnt tackle him much outside of beating bp and s-ranking his stuff but I appreciate the character and the fact that he filtered so many.
I just need to get better with cane parry before I decide to frick myself with turbo and aggression mods.
>"You're dead weight!" The bitter shout of a man who was prepared to die. No one had to die but him. He entrusted the future to those he believed in.
ngl that's kinda fricked up fr fr
He at lest least is the worst ally of all time.
Isshin and Vergil (DMC3) are two of my recent favorite final bosses. It really felt like I was being respected as a player to use all that I learned to beat them. There are probably ways to cheese them but winning the duel with style and grace makes it so much satisfying. Your ego gets boosted.
DMC3 Vergil is overrated as frick, constant superarmor, his DT phase is basically a run and gun type situation and ETC
His other fights in 3 were better IMO
Just stop being an impatient tard.
Does anyone know how Green Empusas healing enemies affects the scoring in DMC5, if at all?
I think you just get a longer fight, so if you can keep it up, you get more style points.
I love this shit
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One of for sure.
Fricking love Vergil, but Sword Saint Isshin is up there as well. Loved how the fight was just a raw test of skill and that "Hesitation is defeat" is literally the best clue on how to beat him.
>simon says is le good
Isshin had a great set-up and characterization, but I wish he'd felt more... unique, I guess is the word. Compared to the stuff Vergil does in his two games he just feels like another fight. Owl in both his fights and funnily enough old Isshin felt more special.
Yes, DMC3 specifically. DMC5 he still blows away 99% of other video game's boss fights, but it's not as good as his fights in 3.
For me it's DISAPPEAR!
THE SHADOW REMAINS CAST
Yes. His DMC3 final battle.
>hold my beer
>Vergil is playable
>Sam is playable
>Genichiro isn't
5 vergil doesn't feel aggressive enough. first time i fought vergil 3 i recall being surprised by the frequency of his attacks. the presentation and overall impact of the fight was better in 3s final boss than 5s imo.
>the presentation was better in 3
How?
I had a very aggressive fight with Vergil my first time. I later found out that for the first half, Vergil basically matches your tempo.
Vergil being overly aggressive would ironically make him easier because he's only open to damage whenever he's attacking or in recovery. This is the entire reason why his DT makes him way harder, since you can only hurt him while he attacks but doing so won't stop him from doing it. That, combined with the fact that in 5 he can't be knocked out of DT and he starts repeating attacks over and over make him way harder than in 3.
It's a fight where you're not going to lose in one go, but doing repeated mistakes will be your demise and many of them will be due to you getting in trouble you didn't need to. He's exactly what he should be for a game like this.
NTA but if you don't know how to take out Doppel quick it's harder than Vergil 3's JCE. If I had to complain about any part of the fight being slow or easy it's gotta be the Dive Bomb unless you know how to stop him outright.
I think this is what makes Vergil in 3 stand out. The player sets the tempo of the fight and the difficulty dictates how fast you need to set the tempo to actually win against his regeneration. It really gives that "at each other's necks" feel for players who want to push the fight to the limit. The biggest disappointment of Vergil in 5 for me was him not immediately responding with a melee attack after shooting him 3 times.
That was referring to 5, actually. In 3, like you mentioned, the game more or less sets the difficulty for you, but at the beginning of his fight in 5, if you sit back and take shots at him, Vergil will also sit back and take shots at you.
Also, not saying that 3 is bad for doing that, just stating that that's what happens. I think it works especially well for 3 narratively.
No but he is still an excellent bossfight much better than Vergil 3 mechanicly, since he doesn't vanish into thin air for 70% of fight spamming helmbreaker/judgment cuts while regenerating health.
Fight was literally a worse version of a fight from 15 years earlier.
Why didn't 5 have a single threatening enemy besides bosses?
Cuz you played in DH.
Listen you frickers, you screwheads, here's a man who would not take it anymore. A man who would not let
Listen, you frickers, you screwheads. Here is a man who would not take it anymore. A man who stood up against the scum, the c**ts, the dogs, the filth, the shit. Here is a man who woke up to justice.
You get D-. Sparda would never use profanity or insult his opponents.
DMC3 Final Vergil is IMO the best boss fight of all time. Great buildup, great fight, great setting and song. It's traditional but that's not a bad thing, it's like the all time classic.
>Armstrong
All time winner for spectacle but the fight's not perfect and it's just just a little bit bloated. It's not JUST the fight.
>The Boss
It's thematically cool, but it's also a gimmick boss. learn the CQC counter for her and she's like the easiest fight in the game.
Haven't gotten around to Azel
No you can literally beat him by holding one button
Bros I only played the first DMC way back in the day, how's the trilogy collection on pc? I've got a controller, so I don't have to worry about shitty controls. Is it worth it?
It good. There's a few missing effects due to problems they had with the source code for the games, but they're completely playable. Well, DMC2 isn't, but that's got nothing to do with the HD Collection.
Also, if you're planning to play 4 make sure it's 4SE.
Cool, thanks anons
It's fine. Be sure to check out Bayonetta as well since it's basically just DMC but if Kamiya kept directing the series.
Thanks for the recommend YT.
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPPRRROOOACHING
Vergil 3? Close. Vergil 5? No.
The best boss of all time is Azel.
>dmc 1
Completed with DMD
>dmc 2
sped through it on normal, as one does through a minority ghetto at night
>dmc 3
beat it on normal, hard and DMD
then started with Vergil playthrough, but burnout got to me
>dmc 4
i am here