Older ones are actually better designed. Elden Ring gives you slow as frick movesets and rolls while coked up enemies tweak out all across your screen hitting you with DMC combos.
I agree, I'm saying the people who start with ER will enjoy the over-leveling and OP shit, and when they go play the older games b***h about how it's not as easy to do so.
Which is the biggest sin of ER.
They are switching its core audience to a normie one, lossing all of the soul that they had in the process.
They became trash not ironically.
Go and fight the Rune Bears, those frickers will read your inputs and wait for you to be in an attack animation so it can jump back and do the instant tackle.
>You are more mobile than any other souls game.
More than Sekiro, the game with literally infinite stamina and a grapple? And you call him moronic. >but it's not a souls game bro
Irrelevant.
Don’t you get it anon if an enemy swings their sword like 3 times they’re doing a DMC combo!!!
>attack delays >input reading >AOE spam out the ass >this is somehow comparable to a 3 hit combo
>attack delays
You mean something that hollows and the asylum demon does? Lmao >input reading
Red eyed knights are notorious for input reading instacharging when you back off to heal, this has been in the series forever >AoE spam out the ass
Just as telegraphed and frequent as DS3, bosses with abnormally high AoE like Godfrey have generous jump timing to completely bypass them. Elden Ring is literally more of the same (for better and worse) plus the addition of guard counters, jump attacks, and actually useful Weapon Arts.
>something that hollows and the asylum demon does
You do know when people mention delayed attacks in ER, they are talking about the random delay between attacks, not attack startup, right? >this has been in the series forever
Except it's never been as blatant and lazy as in ER. >Just as telegraphed and frequent as DS3
lol >Elden Ring is literally more of the same
It's "more of the same" in the sense that the devs doubled down on all the annoying shit in the series and made it even worse, but hey, at least the Weapon Arts are useful now, right?
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Anonymous
It's annoying to you because you're bad and probably autistic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>git gud
no argument
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's annoying
Isn't an argument either.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>random delay
Are you confusing this for variable combos? What enemies have “random delays”? >it’s never been as blatant
Literally yes it has. A red-eyed knight 0frame charging you is extremely blatant, black knights input read, Raime will immediately thrust anytime you press heal, it is the same as it has always been. Don’t try to heal against enemies in neutral, that has been a rule in this entire series. >double down on the annoying shit
I remember I had your same view during my first play through. I was raging at Maliketh, Duo, and Godfrey as being bullshit/spazzy/spammy fights and hated them. Later play throughs, I actually took the time to learn them (and leveled more than 30 VIG) and my opinion changed completely. They are literally more of the same (which is good, I liked DS3’s bosses) just learn them and don’t fall back into bad habits like I did my first time around.
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>variable combos
That's what I mean. >Literally yes it has.
Lol no, do you not know what the word "worse" means? It being bad at some points doesn't make it the same when it's more obvious in ER. >just learn them
Being able to deal with the bullshit doesn't make it any less moronic.
probably not, no. the addition of a jump button (and platforming horse) would any previous game pretty much unbearable if elden ring was your first game.
like that slog to get anything of note was a really important part of dark souls, whereas in elden ring you can just beeline straight to pretty much whatever you want. there's no coming back from that.
It's fine for your first souls game. It won't ruin your experience if you play the rest of the souls games after it if that's what you're worried about.
No, start with ds3 if you want to fight bosses or ds1 if you want to explore then play the other ones.
Sekiro is a completely different game, but I like it more than any of the souls games
Bloodborne would be better I think. Better dodges, better heals and easier parry. And it also forces you to be aggressive and not cower behind a shield.
Downside is that some bosses are parry skill checks.
I started with Nioh 2 which is the hardest. Then I played Sekiro which was kind of hard, but in a gimmicky way and easy to break.
Then I played Elden Ring which felt like an unfortunate hybrid of Souls and Elder Scrolls. The game was way too floaty and easy to break, and horribly unfocused. You wander around killing random things until you're done with no structure, beginning, middle, or end to anything. Its hollow.
Then I played Dark Souls 3 which is everything from Elden Ring distilled into a much tighter and more appealing game.
I'm not playing Dark Souls 1-2 or Nioh 1 due to 60fps cap.
That is all.
I'd say do DS3 first, it's much shorter and no-filler. ER is to DS3 what one of those wacky Skyrim total conversion mods that adds a few new mechanics and a whole continent is to base Skyrim; which is great if you really like skyrim, but lacks the polish as a standalone introductory product to someone who was lukewarm on the mechanical premise in the first place.
Basically if you really like DS3 and want more; (of everything; more qol OP stuff, more romhack wtf zones, etc...) then you'll really like ER. I think it's kinda like DS3 Cinders. On the other hand, if you don't really like DS3 -style gameplay, I don't think you'll enjoy ER because it's just like that really spread out and you will get burned out
as a really dumb analogy, ER is like one of those 80+ hour jrpg games, if you've never played a jrpg before, maybe try a shorter one instead of jumping right into the deep end and getting exhausted 1/4 of the way in.
Not a souls game and its shit.
No, because you'll go back to the older ones and b***h about how "ohhh they're so clunky" like all the normies who played it first.
Older ones are actually better designed. Elden Ring gives you slow as frick movesets and rolls while coked up enemies tweak out all across your screen hitting you with DMC combos.
only morons get hit
I agree, I'm saying the people who start with ER will enjoy the over-leveling and OP shit, and when they go play the older games b***h about how it's not as easy to do so.
Which is the biggest sin of ER.
They are switching its core audience to a normie one, lossing all of the soul that they had in the process.
They became trash not ironically.
Lose sovl
Game become sovlless
It's no longer a sovlsgame/sovlslike
Not at all, BB and DS3 bosses are far faster than ER bosses.
ER bosses rely on delays to trick you, not fast surprise consecutive attacks.
>not fast surprise consecutive attacks.
are you serious
>not fast surprise consecutive attacks
single digit IQ post
Go and fight the Rune Bears, those frickers will read your inputs and wait for you to be in an attack animation so it can jump back and do the instant tackle.
There's guard breaks, a frickton of ash of wars and jumping in ER. You are more mobile than any other souls game.
You might actually be moronic.
Don’t you get it anon if an enemy swings their sword like 3 times they’re doing a DMC combo!!!
>You are more mobile than any other souls game.
More than Sekiro, the game with literally infinite stamina and a grapple? And you call him moronic.
>but it's not a souls game bro
Irrelevant.
>attack delays
>input reading
>AOE spam out the ass
>this is somehow comparable to a 3 hit combo
sekiro isn't a souls game based moron
>but it's not a souls game bro
>Irrelevant.
you are braindead
Even ignoring Sekiro, in BB you are comparably faster to ER when taking the enemies and bosses. into account.
The player has more movesets in ER than BB
Corpse Piler is faster and stronger than anything in bloodborne. However, taking enemy speeds into account, you feel much faster in Bloodborne, yes.
>attack delays
You mean something that hollows and the asylum demon does? Lmao
>input reading
Red eyed knights are notorious for input reading instacharging when you back off to heal, this has been in the series forever
>AoE spam out the ass
Just as telegraphed and frequent as DS3, bosses with abnormally high AoE like Godfrey have generous jump timing to completely bypass them. Elden Ring is literally more of the same (for better and worse) plus the addition of guard counters, jump attacks, and actually useful Weapon Arts.
>something that hollows and the asylum demon does
You do know when people mention delayed attacks in ER, they are talking about the random delay between attacks, not attack startup, right?
>this has been in the series forever
Except it's never been as blatant and lazy as in ER.
>Just as telegraphed and frequent as DS3
lol
>Elden Ring is literally more of the same
It's "more of the same" in the sense that the devs doubled down on all the annoying shit in the series and made it even worse, but hey, at least the Weapon Arts are useful now, right?
It's annoying to you because you're bad and probably autistic.
>git gud
no argument
>It's annoying
Isn't an argument either.
>random delay
Are you confusing this for variable combos? What enemies have “random delays”?
>it’s never been as blatant
Literally yes it has. A red-eyed knight 0frame charging you is extremely blatant, black knights input read, Raime will immediately thrust anytime you press heal, it is the same as it has always been. Don’t try to heal against enemies in neutral, that has been a rule in this entire series.
>double down on the annoying shit
I remember I had your same view during my first play through. I was raging at Maliketh, Duo, and Godfrey as being bullshit/spazzy/spammy fights and hated them. Later play throughs, I actually took the time to learn them (and leveled more than 30 VIG) and my opinion changed completely. They are literally more of the same (which is good, I liked DS3’s bosses) just learn them and don’t fall back into bad habits like I did my first time around.
>variable combos
That's what I mean.
>Literally yes it has.
Lol no, do you not know what the word "worse" means? It being bad at some points doesn't make it the same when it's more obvious in ER.
>just learn them
Being able to deal with the bullshit doesn't make it any less moronic.
probably not, no. the addition of a jump button (and platforming horse) would any previous game pretty much unbearable if elden ring was your first game.
its the most accessible and together with dark souls the easiest
DS1 is 10 times easier than ER.
it's really funny how much pyromancy completely breaks DS1
Its harder to get his tail than it is to kill the boss.
You can do the same with putrid tree spirit (the one in war dead catacombs)
The tree spirit would've read your inputs and done three sweeps across the room in that time period.
no.
play dark souls 1
The real boss of dark souls is all the gate keepers in real life.
Elden ring is a great place to start. Very accessible and polished.
like that slog to get anything of note was a really important part of dark souls, whereas in elden ring you can just beeline straight to pretty much whatever you want. there's no coming back from that.
Start with demons souls, not the remake though
It's fine for your first souls game. It won't ruin your experience if you play the rest of the souls games after it if that's what you're worried about.
no fricking way. there's wayy to many qol improvements and all the legacy dungeons are like "procedurally generated" remixes of previous games.
Legacy Dungeons are the best levels in the series.
plus the sites of grace every 50 metres.
No, start with ds3 if you want to fight bosses or ds1 if you want to explore then play the other ones.
Sekiro is a completely different game, but I like it more than any of the souls games
Yes it's a great game regardless of when you play it.
The best Souls game is the one made by Bluepoint
Bloodborne would be better I think. Better dodges, better heals and easier parry. And it also forces you to be aggressive and not cower behind a shield.
Downside is that some bosses are parry skill checks.
You can rollspam to get through any BB boss
play at least DS3 first
shut up, cow. it's only good if you like getting assfricked by randos who make shitty gimmick builds around status effects. some ol' bullshit tb.h
I started with Nioh 2 which is the hardest. Then I played Sekiro which was kind of hard, but in a gimmicky way and easy to break.
Then I played Elden Ring which felt like an unfortunate hybrid of Souls and Elder Scrolls. The game was way too floaty and easy to break, and horribly unfocused. You wander around killing random things until you're done with no structure, beginning, middle, or end to anything. Its hollow.
Then I played Dark Souls 3 which is everything from Elden Ring distilled into a much tighter and more appealing game.
I'm not playing Dark Souls 1-2 or Nioh 1 due to 60fps cap.
That is all.
Oh and I played Code Vein prior to Nioh 2 and its better and more refined than any of the Soulsjank btw
You just liked Io’s fat breasts
the breasts are more refined
It's too difficult for someone's first Souls game.
Bloodborne or DS3 are the ones I'd recommend for newcomers.
Feels like ubishit game
I'd say do DS3 first, it's much shorter and no-filler. ER is to DS3 what one of those wacky Skyrim total conversion mods that adds a few new mechanics and a whole continent is to base Skyrim; which is great if you really like skyrim, but lacks the polish as a standalone introductory product to someone who was lukewarm on the mechanical premise in the first place.
Basically if you really like DS3 and want more; (of everything; more qol OP stuff, more romhack wtf zones, etc...) then you'll really like ER. I think it's kinda like DS3 Cinders. On the other hand, if you don't really like DS3 -style gameplay, I don't think you'll enjoy ER because it's just like that really spread out and you will get burned out
as a really dumb analogy, ER is like one of those 80+ hour jrpg games, if you've never played a jrpg before, maybe try a shorter one instead of jumping right into the deep end and getting exhausted 1/4 of the way in.
Anyone got a decent int str build?
Yeah. One of the easiest to get into.