Is Metal Gear Solid the smartest game ever made?
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Is Metal Gear Solid the smartest game ever made?
Is Metal Gear Solid the smartest game ever made?
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yes
Yes but not because of that hack, but mastermind Fukushima, you can tell because as soon as he dissapeared (MGS4) writing fricking plumeted
Kojima is the David Cage of Japan
in an unintentional way like deus ex? yes.
keep in mind that metal gear's story is an amalgamation of various movies & animes that kojima grew up watching.
so whatever nuance there might be in the writing is purely coincidental.
i'd say that david cage is more of the mirrorverse version of kojima.
cage's writing is dumb and tries too hard to be smart while kojima's writing sorta just stumbles into being smart with the power of hindsight.
Expert analysis from the man who mastered dramatic spacing in his posts. Kojima has lots of influences and references them, so therefore nothing he did is original despite making games like we never saw before with a story we never saw before, and it's all coincidence because he's a 'hack', and the smart guy who watched the world go by from the safety of an anime forum is going to tell us all about it. Great insight into your wisdom acting like Kojima is any different from anyone else who live life and develop through what they experience.
>kojima's writing sorta just stumbles into being smart with the power of hindsight
No, it doesn't. It's some of the worst writing ever.
What a pretentious twat.
i wouldn't have it any other way. who else would put a 20 minute cutscene of some dude frying eggs in their AAA game?
That was just a tribute to the "this is your brain on crack" commercial. He also has a "winners don't use drugs" shirt.
Kojima is the based of based. Basedjima? Yes, I'll have one.
2 is, yes
It is also my #1 favorite game coincidentally
mgs2 is so up its own ass it's hilarious
i can still praise it for the player vs player character stuff, as well as predicting meme culture in 2001, but god
>predicting meme culture in 2001
lol he directly quoted a Dawkins book
to provide historical context
then he went into describing how the internet will provide unprecendented information overload and how AI will determine which memes spread
Considering the book was written 20 years before the internet it's easy to see how you can extrapolate it's theories unto new mass communication mediums
> it's easy to see how you can extrapolate it's theories unto new mass communication mediums
If it was easy, surely more people made similar predictions. But, you can't name any, because you're a brainlet talking out of his ass
Cyberia by Douglas Rushkoff (1994)
https://www.elon.edu/u/imagining/expert_predictions/chapter-18-may-the-best-meme-win/
This vague quote from an author you never even heard of until you did a google search just before posting the link doesn't prove anything. Nothing in it relates to social media, or the curation of information by AI. In fact, AI isn't even mentioned. Please refrain from such low effort replies in the future and perhaps frick off from this site entirely
Even Dawkins didn't predict meme culture. It's been years since I read the selfish gene, but I remember the discussion focusing on multigenerational memes like religion, music, etc. Not the rapid proliferation and evolution of memes and their utility for social control in real time. Even more profound was how MGS2 predicted internet censorship. Back when the storyline was written, the internet was still incredibly free. At the time very few people could have guessed how things would be today. Again, I don't think Kojima was responsible for the most intelligent writing found in the MG series. He is way too blue pilled these days, especially for a Japanese man.
Internet memes were not predicted by memetics
Pic related isn't what Richard Dawkins thought of when he said "ideas are like genes in that they are subject to evolutionary pressures and may be passed on and mutated just like genes"
the word meme isn't even what people really discuss, it's the large amount of worthless digital information described by the colonel and rose when they're describing Selection for Societal Sanity
>Is Metal Gear Solid the smartest game ever made?
Hyped up as the next gen realistic stealth action super game.
kill first enemy, can’t loot equipment.
dropped.
Filtered
Mgs2 graphics were and still are amazing.
It probably makes more sense in Japanese.
I'm starting to believe the rumors that Kojima had very little to do with the storyline(s) of MG and took credit for a team of writers with real talent. He probably just popped in here amd there to add all the stupid shit sprinkled throughout the series.
Remember that Kojima resents his fan base as he intentionally duped everyone with MGS2. He knew exactly what fans wanted (the tanker levels), pretended like that's what he was giving us, then gave us pussy boi Raiden and bland level design. All the cool shit in that game toward the end was probably written by someone else.
Ah, the contrarian 'it was good, but it can't be the popular guy who came up with it, it surely must be someone else'. Why do fans nowadays just try to find anyway to attack and superficially discredit the people who made everything, while they do nothing themselves? Show some respect to people who actually did something with their lives instead of pretending the janitor wrote MGS2 and everybody actually wanted to stay on the boat the whole game so Kojima 'betrayed' us by giving us one of the best games ever just because it's not exactly how you say it should be.
probably because mgs5 exists and each mission credits the writer
And you are speaking on the subject so you clearly know that the way writing works in games is that usually the creator lays out bullet points and the other guys fill in the dialogue and / or events, etc... right? They don't just do whatever they want or stray from the course, same way Final Fantasy games were thought up by the top guys in charge like Nomura, Sakaguchi, whoever, depending on the game and the other writers filled in around that? Same as anime like Evangelion all started from Anno and Sadamoto and the other guys wrote to meet their goals, and even the director of some parts, Tsurumaki, juat directs to around what Anno tells him to do? That's how Japanese teams works, and all this shit is translated as well so we aren't even seeing the original product when we're playing.
mgs5 levels are basically episodes of the A-team. it's possible that kojima drafted every single one and let tamari or whoever fill in the blanks, but not necessarily true. there's no tight interlocking story between "snake walks into this base and fultons 30 people" and "there's 12 tanks here, snake fultons them"
in any case, the point is that kojima wrote all the ones where epic meta guy from mgs1 psychically pilots a gundam to try and kill a brainwashed meme-clone of big boss and the other writers wrote the ones where you sneak into a base
Yeah but let's be real, it's yet another modern game that they couldn't finish and there were the obvious main story parts and the rest, actually most of the missions, were fillers so they could put out a 'full game' by the deadline because they had no more time to buy and were over budget, same way FFXV was pushed out, and many Square games were rushed out like FFXII, Xenogears, FF8 to a lesser degree, etc... MGS5 maybe could have been great but we'll never know. As for Death Stranding I think it was made with the idea they can't do the huge story they usually do. That being said I think there still were great parts to all his games since MGS4 but modern tech may have been the biggest issue, we don't get many of these big, finished, and fleshed out games anymore. FFVIIR may be the best idea, to put out episodes. Beyond all that, Kojima made alot of games so he might not even have any ideas left compared to the stock he used to.
>Ah, the contrarian 'it was good, but it can't be the popular guy who came up with it, it surely must be someone else'.
Coppola has made more shit movies than classic ones, therefore he's a hack. It's starting to look like Kojima is following that path. You cannot just be a genius for a brief period of time and a super hack for the majority of your lifetime.
That's not what I see as a hack. A hack would be, to me, someone who never was actually good and maybe got by with pure gimmick, luck or fraud. Kojima definitely made some of the best games ever, regardless if you want to credit the team around him more, the games with him at the helm were great. Doesn't have to mean everything you make ever has to be great. Tons of people put out some shitters or go to hell with time. Raimi made some stinkers then came back and kicked off the superhero shit with huge movies and maybe some of the best ones, Woody Allen reinvented comedy then put out a bunch of stinkers. Many bands fall off and can't do it anymore, including some of the best ever. MGS5, again, was an unfinished game, but there are plenty of great elements to it. If I had to name a 'hack' then it would be someone like Tarantino who doesn't just 'reference' his inspirations, he straight up copy-pastes everything and then denies he ever saw half of it. Wachowski's as well, they had one actual stand-out movie, almost all copied, then tried to be more original and fell to shit. In recent Kojima games there are still tons of great, new ideas, just the whole picture isn't there. Same as I would say FFXV and KH would be some of the greatest games in their 'genre' if they were fully finished.
>Raimi made some stinkers then came back and kicked off the superhero shit with huge movies
What pre-Spider-Man 1 Raimi movie is bad?
are you a friend of kojima or something? i don't get why you're so defensive about all of this.
like seriously there's enough documentation on MGS2's development that debunks it being the "misunderstood masterpiece" that most of it's fanboys preach about it being and the series (and kojima himself) wears alot it's influences on it's sleeve.
the "filler" of MGS5 hold significance in the idea that you're basically seeing cipher's rise to power and inevitable transformation into the patriots.
almost all of the missions relate to cipher to some degree.
Just arguing my opinion. Not sure what you're trying to say with the rest of the post. I don't get the 'misunderstood' thing, I don't follow what internet people say about games besides coming here sometimes. I loved MGS2 and don't have any issues with it besides having to play all difficulties to get dogtags.
>Ah, the contrarian 'it was good, but it can't be the popular guy who came up with it, it surely must be someone else'.
You're reading way too much into this. It's really very simple. If you have been following Kojima's Twitter and interviews, you will see that he is not a based and redpilled intellectual. He is a globohomosexual cog who desperately wants to be accepted into Hollywood. It's hard to believe someone like that could be responsible for the high points of the MG writing.
It's also no seceret that he has a team of writers and a massive ego, making it not a very big leap to assume he would take credit for the work of his underlings.
I don't follow interviews and Twitter, so no idea. Not sure what the political talk here is about, last paragraph is conjecture attacking the guy who made great games, don't see any evidence it's true, and not everyone sees everything from the same viewpoint so I can't say he sees the issues the same as you and would purposefully be taking a leftist stance or whatever.
>no idea
That's my point. You're making a lot of baseless assumptions about why people are not convinced that Kojima ever was (or at least still is) the genius mastermind behind the MG series without looking at the context of that skepticism. Yes, I could sit here and dig through his interviews and Twitter archives to point out things that I've seen over the last several years, but I won't because 1) it wouldn't be a good use of my time, 2) it wouldn't change any Kojima fanboys minds, 3) I wouldn't give a shit even if it did. If you're really all that interested, you could do the legwork yourself and see what you think about it.
Personally, I was a Kojima fanboy since MGS1. MGS1 and MGS2 are some of my top favorite games of all time in spite of the Raiden bait and switch bullshit (parts of MGS4 was almost certainly an apology for betraying fans with MGS2, but I won't go into that here). All that said, I'm less and less convinced that all or even most of the credit for the brilliant parts of the MG series should be credited to Kojima. My own summation of what from what he has been saying over the last several years is that he is saying what he thinks he needs to say in order to be accepted by Hollywood and is no longer that creative genius who was paving the way for his own version of "Hollywood" in the games industry, and perhaps never really was.
No, this is.
people who don't own this game have 0 iq
Kojima is a moron, and his games after MGS1 suck.
>"Dude, what if we ripped off Blade Runner and made a game out of it"
>*lets everyone else do the actual work that makes the game good*
And moronic journos desperate from acceptation from other mediums try to make rockstars out of absolute hacks
TIP: If you're never-endingly impressed with how smart you are for loving MGS2, ie Baby's First Twists And Pseud Theorizing, you are absolutely nowhere near as intelligent as you think you are.
You just didn’t get it maaaan
that fat gimli looking moron was right when he said mgs1 is the only good one
He had me until that last word
top lel
Kojima claims to be....
>Didn't put mgs1 on n64
>didn't put mgs2 on dreamcast
Frick you hideo Kojma!! Lose arm!!!
The only kojima game I enjoyed wa shis most recent one