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wish this was funny
Sorry you lack a sense of humor.
I'll defend Bethesda here a little bit. They always say "pfft 200 years after Nuclear War and there is no working civilization yet? GET REAL!"
Ok but... how many young people know how to "rebuild le civilization"? Take a group of a hundred random Americans. How many of them will know how to farm or how to run an electrical line, or what materials are actually useful to acquire and refine and to even build the tools necessary for it? People on average don't seem to know shit anymore. If shit hits the fan, we are going back to fricking caveman times. And keep in mind, it's not like survivors are going to be peaceful with each other and cooperative, they will be killing each other for whatever minimal resources they can acquire. Maybe Bethesda's picture of a "junk yard world" isn't that far off.
How does the Brotherhood of Steel maintain all of their power armor, energy weapons and aircraft?
They take whatever they need with overwhelming force.
From who? The wastelanders living in shanty towns? The neolithic tribals? From old army bases they still have the coordinates too? How big were those stock piles and how much would still be functioning after 200 years?
>From who? The wastelanders living in shanty towns? The neolithic tribals? From old army bases they still have the coordinates too?
The last one, yeah. Certainly.
>How big were those stock piles and how much would still be functioning after 200 years?
There are old guns today that still work provided they've been adequately maintained. Keep in mind, in the FO universe, the nukes fell in the year 2077. So maybe we had reached a point where things were just better crafted and more resilient and could last for a while. But I don't even really need that part for it to still be plausible that there are still worthwhile things to salvage decades after the nuclear war.
>So maybe we had reached a point where things were just better crafted and more resilient and could last for a while
I'm not anti-capitalist but things decrease in quality over time thanks to dumb consumers
stealing shit. that's what their whole purpose is
BoS origins link back to pre-war times. They weren't officially calling themselves the BoS, but they are a continuation force that survived the nuclear war. They didn't start from scratch and are using their "head-start" to acquire whatever they need to maintain what they got.
In defense of Bethesda, the moronic magic BoS completely unconstrained by reality and logistics and the entire fricking setting started with Tactics. But you can blame Bethesda for continuing to use that garbage.
That argument falls flat on its face when you realize there are even surviving robots who used to perform house chores, not to mention books.. The knowledge is in no way lost.
That is technology that luckily (or unluckily in some cases) survived the war. Codsworth wasn't built from scratch, he survived the war and his nuclear battery cell will function for hundreds of years.
Yeah books survived and some people keep the knowledge. I never said it was lost. I said that most people are going to be worthless scavengers who don't know anything in the post nuclear war. I didn't say everyone.
>That is technology that luckily (or unluckily in some cases) survived the war
Yes, exactly. You are not getting it, tardo. I'm not saying they built the robots, I'm saying they can ask the robot how to do whatever the frick.
Yeah because everyone has a personal Mr. Handy robot that miraculously survived the nuclear bombardment of the USA. I think you might actually be moronic and I might not reply to you anymore.
Mr. Handys are also just house servants. There's also a militarized version of them, similar to commercial vs. military drones, but I don't think a Mr. Handy can rebuild civilization.
And you're also ignoring the fact that "most people" doesn't mean everyone. There are going to be people with their hands on some useful pre-war tech. Obviously. Are you moronic or do you simply not understand the English language? How stupid are you? How embarrassed are your parents of you?
>n-not everyone has a personal one that survived... just us, the protagonist in the game that includes building outposts and shit
>let's ignore all the other ones
>"Mr. Handy, you were a literal housekeeping robot. Do you know how to build a wall that's not made out of fricking rusty sheet metal bits?"
>BEEP BOP CANNOT COMPUTE CANNOT COMPUTE CANNOT COMPUTE
Fricking moronic franchise and its equally moronic fanbase.
Can you build a wall right now if you ask your computer?
You'll probably say something stupid like "yeah I can go to home depot and buy some bricks and whatever else I need"
I think you should just have a nice day, mate. I think there's something seriously wrong with your brain.
>durrr hurr but what about
No, homosexual. But I could certainly figure it out in 200 fricking years.
kek you won't do shit because it seems like you're moronic as hell
>NOOOO I'LL TOTALLY FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE BRICKS AND MORTAR AND CEMENT. I'LL ASK A COMPUTER AND IT WILL BE TOTALLY CLEAR AND I'LL KNOW EXACTLY WHERE TO GO AND I'LL HAVE EVERYTHING I NEED TO DO IT
hahahahahaaha I feel bad for your parents, I really really do
hahahahahahahahaha
Even if you figured it out in one month you aren't throwing together a brick house by yourself without a five-ten year time and labor investment
But you'll have to source the limestone, sulfur, etc for concrete to even make mortar, that's after you find enough water to mix your own clay (inferior) or hire a bunch of slaves to drag it in from a riverbank
Why are you so obsessed with bricks? There are as many ways to build a house as there are materials. It's not like you're going from nuke to drywall in a day. The initial survivors would have to make themselves durable scrap shelters within weeks to survive. Some of those survivors would pass down pre-war knowledge about house construction. From there things would improve and upgrade as 200 years went by. Reinventing masonry would not be unrealistic in those 200 years.
>obsessed
It was your claim I didn't read the rest
Not even that anon. You're the one who's been going on about it.
It's called a conversation, it was about bricks so I spoke on bricks. Contact a janny for further seething
are you moronic
bricks require furnace and tons of clay to make and cement is made from certain rocks
are you gonna go hump clay or rock dust back to your wilderness camp and expend a ton of energy and effort to make walls from it?
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO MAKE A FRICKING BRICK
>EVEN STARVING AFRICAN CHILDREN CAN MAKE ONE IN KILN BUT NOT ME
>CAN'T EVEN SHAPE MUD LIKE A BRICK! IF IT'S NOT MY FANCY MODERN BRICK IT DOESN'T COUNT
>NO RESORT BUT TO NAIL RUSTY, HOLE-POCKED SHEET METAL TO A PLANK
You've got to be kidding hahahahahah fallout fans are dumber than some deep dark African tribe
Those African tribes probably have better survival skills than you or the average westerner if the rug were pulled out from under our feet. And I am not some Black person apologist, I am as racist of a man as they come, but no, the current generation of men living in Western countries can't seem to do anything. Give a zoomer some basic camp equipment and give him an instructional manual on how to use it. Do you believe that the tent he builds is actually going to stand?
You're moronic. You don't anything but you believe that once the nuclear war destroys everything and you emerge from the rubble "you'll figure it all out". Just moronic. have a nice day today. Do the world a favour.
Oh well ok, if we are going by stupid fricking Americans and not just humanity in general then yeah you are right, you guys wouldn't be able to do anything at all
>anon is dumber than all these people
>making clay bricks
umm sweaty
Yeah I'll start on my brick molds and furnaces just as soon as I'm not starving to death/dying a slow horrible radiation death/succumbing to any of the bacteria that can and will survive nuclear blasts
>a brick
try a few thousand
sorry, but those african huts are made of sticks and clay
you need a clay source, you need a furnace, you really need a team to do it and people doing other necessary shit for survival
Broken Hills not only had brick, they had asphalt, concrete, and working AC
How you seen what South Africa and Haiti look like right now, today, in 2024? Having knowledge at your fingertips doesn't mean shit if the population is barely human enough to use it
Yeah but America isn't 100% a Black country moron. White people still exist in the Fallout universe so there will be civilization after 200+ years.
How white will the USA be in 2077 when the nukes in Fallout dropped?
Whiter than the USA in real-life right now.
Yes, countries like Haiti had no nukes dropped on them and yet...
Could the Tsar Bomba still randomly kill thousands of people every single year 200 years later?
Not directly, no.
It would be the secondary and tertiary factors associated with nuclear war.
>the USA will be whiter in 2077 than it is today
You got a plan, my man? I'm all ears, brother.
What plan, dumbass? The Fallout universe is different from real-life, the timeline diverts before the "civil rights movement", before the crack and AIDS epidemic, before BLM, critical theory being taught in universities, you name it. Fallout's 2077 is radically different than real-life 2077 will be.
Actually considering the references to 80s pop culture i think it doesn't really divert, America just decided to go back to 50s Americana during the 21st century.
>America has white people when I need to win the argument
cods are like an iphone with no internet. You can use the calculator i guess.
>take a group of a hundred random americans.
It all depends on the white to non white ratio, whites will build while everyone else will destroy
Correct. If the USA were 100% white, I could easily believe in the Obsidian view of the Fallout universe where civilization is essentially rebuilt, but it's also fundamentally changed because the world has drastically changed.
With the USA's current demographic trend however, Bethesda's view of "everything is in total decay" is the more likely Fallout scenario.
>With the USA's current demographic trend however, Bethesda's view of "everything is in total decay" is the more likely Fallout scenario.
We don't even need a nuclear war for that to be true kek.
Look at Hiroshima and Nagasaki today and compare it to Detroit and Chimpcago.
Frickin Detroit already looks like it belongs in Fallout 4.
It's important to note that the nuclear strikes on Japan were not ground detonation and in fact were detonated hundreds of meters in the air and flatten as much infrastructure as possible, it's part of why they were able to move back in.
Compare it to sites like Chernobyl or the other Russian nuke testing sites that are still uninhabitable
Chernobyl has nothing to do with a nuclear/atom bomb. A bomb doesn't spew out even near the amount of radiation that the reactor shat out. You are comparing apples to tires.
And comparing Black folk to nukes isnt?
>And comparing Black folk to nukes isnt?
No man made weapon can even come close to the damage that blacks do to a society.
Tsar Bomba could give people third degree burns like 50 miles away, though it is the least radioactive hypothetical nuke.
Nearly all nuclear weapons made past the atom bomb are pretty clean when it comes to radiation.
Yeah surprisingly so, like a 5 to 30 year window depending on the bomb and material.
Sorry I meant to say earlier the reason I even brought up Chernobyl is the reactors that won't be taken care of after a nuclear holocaust, those will be an incredibly unavoidable issue unless they all get dedicated cults of generational reactor workers
East coast is fricked
Why the frick would soviets build a city in a nuke testing site, thats like building a new suburbia in nevada desert
You're conflating nuclear weapons with the chernobyl disaster which is a different beast entirely. You can visit los alamos today it's totally habitable. Nuclear blasts only leave areas dangers for less than a month, even a cobalt tampered doomsday type one would only leave an area dangers to life for something like 5 years max (another reason why all of the fallout radiation stuff is stupid).
Dishonest image
wtf, hiroshima looks like that now?
try looking at it more up close
Most major US towns look like this
No they don't.
Phoenix does, Houston does, Orlando does, most major American cities I've toured consist of a nice metropolitan center and a decaying urban sprawl on the edges
>Redlining
>Crack cocaine epidemic
>Brainwash the youth with gangs lifestyle
>Underfund schools
>Overpolice areas you deliberately turned into ghettos to feed the private prisons industry
>Reject loans for small business in redlined zones
>Destroy the family structure
Nah, Black folk!
am i right my fellow thirdworlders larping as whites?
Good luck trying to le "pull yourself up with your bootstraps" tm from areas systematically put in a specific situation without divine intervention
t- grew up in a similar situation and by luck i got better education and a good job
Eventually
Look up
>Liberia
the only thing you build everyday is fat inside your arteries moron
>Whites
>In America
lmao, whitest american is indian-tier poo
I'm from a rural, all white community, and absolutely the frick not. They would smoke meth and become raiders.
I could do it
Just look at what happened to the Autonomous Zone to see what would happen for our young and bright generation to make their own society
kek I wish I still had the webms. Shit was so funny. The ones where they were "farming" in the park was fricking hilarious.
I mean, the garden worked and is still there to this day producing food so.
You mean the three carrots that grew (if even that) are going to feed all the people living there? Hahahaha
What percent of people, moron? And assume these people will survive the nuclear war and then not be killed by the hordes of starving wandering crowds of survivors looking for anything to gnaw on.
Also, I'm getting a ban, so frick you if I didn't get to responding to you
Black folk!!!!!!!!
albeit the autonomous zone didn't last long enough for natural selection to begin, 200 years after the apocalypse all the chazoids will be dead from starvation and everybody left will actually know how to grow crops and shit
You fricking double digit iq subhuman
Kys
State your reasoning like an adult, and I'll respond to you, Black person.
Anon, they had something called Garden of Eden Creation kit, and the vaults trained people for when they needed to reclaim the land, ie Vault 15 created Shady Sands and then the NCR
What does that have to do with people surviving outside of vaults?
Yeah obviously, if you were part of some nuclear war continuation program then yeah, you're doing about as well as you should be. But what about the people that were left fending for themselves?
You understand what a massive filtering event the Great War was right? For reference, ranger badass Randall Clark barely survived sucking water off of limestone. Most people that survived were either in circumstances similar to that of a Vault, were massive fricking badasses, or became ghoulified.
Black person it was the 19 fricking 60s, post world war 2, people were still family trained for family crafts and businesses back then. fricking children back then were far mroe resourceful and learned in daily upkeep and home/land care than internet raised homosexual coddled morons today.
Are you fricking moronic? Besides that, those that got into Vault were most deifnitely almost exclusively white, the population of america back then was absolutely not diverse. Shit this is sounding better than the world we live in now by the fricking word.
The bombs in Fallout universe fell in 2077. The 1960s style was a retro-futurist fad that took over culture for whatever reason before the bombs fell.
kek, you're not even a fan of fallout. Just some Black person who decided to chime in while knowing nothing at the same time, hahaha.
>Besides that, those that got into Vault were most deifnitely almost exclusively white, the population of america back then was absolutely not diverse
Racism doesn't exist in Fallout unless you're chinese
One of the first people you see when entering Vault 13 in Fallout 1 is a black dude
Black person the leader of Vault City is a Black. And the bombs dropped in 2077, the aesthetic is 1950s. You're fricking moronic
>/pol/turd is completely braindead
wow! color me surprised!
NTA, but is /misc/ in the room right now with us, anon?
Actually don't answer that
I am here :^)
go back to your contaiment board incel.
you don't even play videogames
>incel
speak for yourself, and by the way gay 'sex' doesn't count as real sex. You're still a virgin.
you are nothing more than a waste of oxygen waiting to be stoned to death for being so fricking worthless and wasting resources that could be used by an actual worthwhile person, you /misc/turd freak, go back to your contaiment board and stay there.
Jesus Christ, your seething is legendary.
fricking kek.
you will die all alone like the good for nothing freak you truly all and i couldn't be happier about it
Again, speak for youself, kiddo. Between 16 and 30 I've always had a gf. You on the other hand have most likely only had sex with another man, and as I said before, gay 'sex' isn't real sex. Sorry.
>Between 16 and 30 I've always had a gf
sure you do champ.
that's why you are here, being a worthless /misc/turd freak bringing your unwanted racism and politics into every thread while not discussing videogames in the slightlest.
just have a nice day, nobody is falling for your pathetic LARPing, it would be a net positive for the world if you just stopped existing right now.
>that's why you post Ganker because you are incel
I think you should only speak for yourself. Anyways, I tire of you. Good bye.
>/pol/turd runs back to his contaiment board like a coward after being BTFO
unsurprising, you homosexuals are all talk and no bite, i almost feel sorry for your worthless existence.
that's rich coming from someone so ugly that no woman would willingly lay a finger on him lol, you not being able to reproduce is a good thing for everybody.
You are the one that pretends to be gay as a cover for not being able to get a gf, bro.
ironic that you keep calling everybody gay while also chocking on my wiener after being BTFO like the little worthless /misc/turd you are, you just can't help it can you?
I think you're going to have a nice day within the next 5 years. Your delusion is feeding straight into your anger, so, prepare for that end I guess.
Big pharma's got your back while everyone else laughs behind it. Look at it this way, at least you won't be a drain on the medial system for much longer.
>schizophrenic ramble out of nowhere
took you long enough
What are trannies if not a drain on the medical system?
what are /misc/turds if not a drain on society's resources?
>imageboards are ruining my life
I just entered a thread about Fallout lore and see a post saying "you will die alone freak" lmao I didn't read the reply chain but try chill out blud it's just video games
>Bunker-troon thinking it fits in here
You're on an anonymous Czechoslovakian puppet crafting imageboard, not reddit. Frick off back to where you came from if you can't handle some racism.
you will never have sex
>i will never be a woman
you will die all alone and a virgin.
Too bad you didn't think about that before chemically castrating yourself. Sucks to suck.
That kind of self talk is no good but undeniably true considering I can sense your hands shaking as you type about a role playing game franchise. I'm sure Todd would at least appreciate your passion for his IP
Who gives a shit about sex you HIV infested degenerate? Why do you gays and holes only have one thing to say? "U NO SEX HAHA"
Bring out some fresh content.
>HIV infested
Anon that man has never had sex and never will why do you think he's saying that to people he's not even arguing with telling him to calm down in the first place
>Who gives a shit about sex
any functional human being does, AKA not you
>"U NO SEX HAHA"
because it always triggers kissless incels like you to start crying uncontrollably lmao!
>Goes to anime website where 2d>3d
>Thinks that proclaiming superiority of 3d will work
You really just don't get it, do you? Embarrassing, such a lack of self reflection is unhealthy, who hurt you?
depends entirely on the demographics. and in order to escape le racisms, they make a concerted effort to make the pre-war society very diverse, so...
The first culture to figure their shit out will sweep through the wasteland with zero resistance. That's what Caesar is all about. And 200 years is more than long enough for that to have already happened.
There's like hundreds of thousands of young people in trades as well as a similar amount of people raised on farms/ranches. Please for the love of God go outside and actually interact with people for once you sheltered fricking baby.
>le
have a nice day
>build le civilization"?
No one is asking for a sprawling rebuilt metropolis, with all the amenities and services of the prewar. What get most people is Bethesda has no idea how time work and how people would rebuild somewhat rather than just live in trash. Lets look at Diamond City, it was founded in 2130 and fo4 takes place in 2287, over 150 years, and it still looks like a post disaster shantytown. There are no roads, people just walk to scrap metal and wooden planks, most of the building look like they are falling a part due to rust, the rest are just stacked motor homes. There is trash everywhere, there are great war skeletons, like no one thought, "maybe I should get rid of the burned charred skeleton in the back of our city, nah."
And this just continues in all of the Bethesda slop, they push the broken world atheistic, even though we all know that people are not going to live in a burned out house with holes in the floor and walls with massive trash piles everywhere for 60+ years, you would start to clean up.
Hard times create strong men
By definition anyone that is left is probably integrated into some kind of functioning society.
And also there are parts of the world that never got nuked at all.
Pretty sure anyone living in the countryside that didn't get nuked could just wander in and continue on basically immediately.
In the US wargames on what the outcome would be following a full on nuclear war, they predict independent farmers will eventually be overrun by hordes of starving people, who themselves will die after killing the farmers and eating all their food.
Are you forgetting about like, literally all of south america which wouldn't be affected
What about Africa?
Would anyone even bother nuking it?
What about places like the Carribean?
>What about Africa?
Mass starvation from lack of gibs by Western nations
Well except the pastoral and agricultural tribes
Based?
Yea, assuming the radiation doesn't turn everyone moronic after a few generations the global IQ might actually improve post nuclear war
i've literally only seen the several chud edits of this lol
You would have people just crossing into mexico or canada or wherever, and tons of farmers would definitely still survive. Humanity is difficult to just wipe out.
No, I'm not forgetting it. In fact, it's predicted that South America will be largely untouched by nuclear war.
But how are you going to get there? And let's say you had the precognition/luck to go to South America before the bombs dropped, how are you going to live amongst those locals who kill you and eat you all the same?
By that same logic how would people make it out of cities to somehow wipe out all the farmers if they can't get anywhere?
Because US cities are closer to US farms than to South America.
Sand Diego is like 10 minutes from Tijuana
>He thinks Tijuana is in South America
Well, at least you've proven yourself to be an uneducated moron. Thanks for that.
Mexico's fate is not exactly clear in the event of a nuclear war. Their proximity to the USA puts them in a precarious situation at best. South America is predicted to survive nuclear war, which Mexico is not a part of.
only black people are dumb enough to mass murder farmers
there is an obvious class divide between farmers and merchants. blacks are good muscle. figure it out.
>In the US wargames on what the outcome would be following a full on nuclear war, they predict independent farmers will eventually be overrun by hordes of starving people, who themselves will die after killing the farmers and eating all their food.
Which make no sense at all. because rural US is the most heavily armed regions in the country
What fricking wargame?
That's bullshit. People will want to improve their situation and they will learn the skills to do so. All those farmers in Boston didn't just magically pick up the skills. No book is going to tell you how to grow crops in radioactive fallout. They got sick of scavenging for 200 year old food, or scavenging became unviable, which it would have, and so they learned to grow food through trial and error. Of course they failed at first but if you really want or need something you keep trying
They literally are able to rebuild in lore through the use of a macguffin known as the GECK. WHO h is essentially a more sophisticated or more focused farmer’s almanac that provides the basic resources to purify water and iirdiated land to be able to harvest food. So you’re right in that it comes down to having enough people with the will to rebuild. Which they do in lore and that’s what happened. In spite of Todd Howard’s limited creative and business capabilities
>How many of them will know how to farm or how to run an electrical line, or what materials are actually useful to acquire and refine and to even build the tools necessary for it?
Books exist, libraries exist. Take 10 years of reading and people will relearn. Your question only makes sense if you don't think about it for more than 5 seconds.
Yeah dude. Totally. Books are like in RPGs. You pick them up and click 'x' on them and you'll totally learn everything in them and know how to apply it right away.
It's not like the average person's ability to read is going to suffer in the post nuclear world. Those texts are going to be an easy breeze for whoever finds them!
>All educated people died
>No one passes on knowledge to the next generation
>Vaults don't exist
>Ignore the scientists and doctors who exist in the wasteland.
If a sheltered suburbanite jarhead/lawyer can build a diesel generator I don't see why other people can't. Hell, you meet plenty of people in the games who are good with machines
Honestly, the Capitals Wastelands situation does make sense. It's simple. They didn't have 2 different protagonists to save them like California did. Imagine CA if the Master went unchecked and never actually formed a mutant society, They just wipe out every settlement. That's basically what Vault 87 is. On top of that, every source of water and soil is massively irradiated and urbanized making farming near impossible in the ruins of a pre-war DC. CA is mostly Farm land. NV itself states that Utah, Arizona, and New Mexico where populated by pretty much entirely Tribals and raiders that living purely off the land/scavenging and/or raiding each other.
The NCR is literally the ONLY massive settler nation to pop up because they got saved by 2 different marry stues. Most areas of the American Wasteland probably look similar to what we see in F1 or F3.
>But Vault City
1.Massive outlier. Not even control Vaults are that well off.
2.still woulda died in F1's time frame if there wasn't protagonists in the region to save the region.
Then if you read up on Tactics/BOS/Fallout Bible most of the wasteland follows the same depiction of F1-tier settlements or F2-tier tribals. The midwestern BOS weren't nation builders like the NCR. But perhaps a settlement could grow because of them similar to the NCR and the Vault Dweller/Chosen one.
TLDR; The wasteland fetish of Todd and Avellone makes sense. Everything's a shithole until a Protagonist saves the region.
Oh boy, if only there was some kind of MacGuffin which is specifically designed to pass on the knowledge and resources to rebuild a small community. If only this MacGuffin came for free with every single Vault, and if only it was featured prominently in the franchise since Fallout 2.
if it was just humans/zombies/ghouls and no remaining technology, you might have a point
but you also have robots like this moron who, aside from staying in the house to get nuked for some inexplicable reason (at least have him follow you to the vault and then get turned back), do basically nothing for 200 years.
all the humans on the east coast still live in filth and squalor, sometimes even leaving skeletons in their homes and places of business.
>all the humans on the east coast still live in filth and squalor, sometimes even leaving skeletons in their homes and places of business.
I don’t understand why the reaction isn’t “Wow the West is doing a lot better than the East.” Instead it’s “FRICKING BULLSHIT I KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN THE APOCALYPSE”
because people in the east live in worse squalor than even the dumbest 30 iq savages on the planet right now.
Yeah, God knows I would just leave rusty needles, piles of trash, and skeletons sitting around in my home. Oh please, make my walls out of rusted corrugated steel too. I really, really want to die of tetanus if the exposure doesn't get me first.
>Yeah, God knows I would just leave rusty needles, piles of trash, and skeletons sitting around in my home.
You just described San Francisco. It’s not as far fetched as you think.
TRVE
>leaving skeletons in their homes and places of business.
shoutout to this diner owner and her son that live in and sell from this diner that still has skeletons in the seats because todds kino environment team needed me to see a skeleton in the chair to know a bomb dropped and killed people while they were eating
soul
>do basically nothing for 200 years.
they had the perfect excuse for a first quest be to craft some parts for repairing him
bro in bethesda fallout people have pre-war trash and fricking skeletons in their living rooms
You sound like you're projecting. There are plenty of people in the world with the skillsets required to rebuild a society. Yes, even in America. It is you, anon, who doesn't know anything about practical living and survival, and you will be one of the first to go in the aftermath of a nuclear war, if the initial blast doesn't wipe you then and there. You are the bottom 60%.
Man, I wonder how many fall for that image and are successfully scared into voting conservative.
If you are actually wondering: No, hard times do not create strong men, strong do not create good times, good times does not make weak men and weak men do not create hard times. Every single moment in history that image reflects are a thousand times more complex and due to human dynamics we never know if the times will be good or bad. Not a single "men" or even a group of them were solely responsbile for any change in history. Economy, politics, weather and especially people are all unpredictable. We never know what tomorrow will bring.
You have a point, no one has the knowledge to build shit from scratch, want fresh copper wires, well good luck making the wire insulation without knowledge of advanced chemistry and industrial resources, want to make a basic chip with some logic gates ? Lmao even.
We all would go back to rudimental shit, also it took about 200 years to get here but how many years for a functional society ?
Also how many Black folk ? (Zero)
We have tech that is not reproducible on small scale, that's the point of failure of our type of civilisation.
So yeah while everyone replying at you is injecting pure copium in their jugular I completely agree with you, even BoS realistically in a Fallout world is a stretch but an NCR is ok imo, in the end it's all about distribution of power and the strongest group gets the snowball effect, if you can make use of what's left you're gonna have easier times.
In our current society I doubt there would be any group willing to cooperate genuinely aside from white people from rural areas.
You would have a point if every Fallout intro didn't specifically highlight that much of humanity survived because of the Vaults, where these skills were preserved and kept sharp by constant maintenance under a heavily organized system, along with most Vaults coming with a GECK specifically to ease humanity along in its development of post-War society.
I haven't seen the GECK in FO4, plus there is a clear lack of industrial power in Fallout universe, what if the GECK breaks ?
The whole premise in the series is indeed Vaults but how many Vault dwellers get to actually teach the knowledge ?
The whole point why human thrive and BoS is a thing is that nuclear energy was and is everywhere, like candies(energy cells).
I say BoS is a stretch because it is really organised and unified which is ok but not so much realistic from a human perspective.
Vaults are literally mostly failed experiments and only some were actually destined for survival, I don't even know if you actually know the lore at this point.
As vault dweller the MC is very lucky in FO universe because that experiment actually worked.
Most vaults were literally nefarious shit with overseers being complete psychopaths.
>I haven't seen the GECK in FO4, plus there is a clear lack of industrial power in Fallout universe, what if the GECK breaks?
The Gun Runners were able to restore factories as far back as Fallout 1, even before the main plot takes place. There are dozens of factories in Fallout 4. And as far as I can tell, I don't believe any of the Vaults in 4 explicitly lacked a GECK, of which two is standard issue for every Vault.
>The whole premise in the series is indeed Vaults but how many Vault dwellers get to actually teach the knowledge?
The moment they step out the Vault, they already have expertise in maintaining advanced equipment, alongside the GECK. It's not so much teaching, it's that the moment they step out, they should have the capacity to fix up some of the old equipment.
>Vaults are literally mostly failed experiments and only some were actually destined for survival, I don't even know if you actually know the lore at this point.
Vaults were experiments, but not all experiments were made equal. Many Vaults with experiments limped along just fine, not to mention the control Vaults. Unless a Vault is specifically mentioned to have lacked a GECK, I would assume that any Vault would have one.
tl;dr, No one cares about average. Average won't be the ones running everything once it blows up. It will be the engineers who you ungratefully ignore and take for granted who will step up and rule the future. It will be your Derricks and Jasons who will shoot their own personal mini rockets into space solely because its fun and keep their crackrigged cars running for 60 years.
Wow, mindblown
>Obsidian: The world can grow and change! It doesn't matter if it's yucky and disgusting right now, it can transition into something brave and beautiful if you just put in the time and effort!
>Bethesda: You were born a wasteland and you will stay a wasteland forever. It doesn't matter how much you cope or deny it.
Really makes you think.
Obsidian is the one that wanted to nuke New Vegas.
Do you also not know that Michael Kirkbride wanted Morrowind blown up?
>Obsidian is the one that wanted to nuke New Vegas
You mean Avellone.
are you suggesting the world can perhaps... transition, into something else?
transition... trans... ition... trans...
OH MY GOD
>transition
This particular criticism of Bethesda-era Fallout is nonsensical because we don't have a frame of reference to how long it would take society to rebuild after being covered in radiation and giant scorpions raping everyone.
Fricking scorpions shouldn't even be on the east coast
We do, it's called Fallout 1 and 2
fallout 1 and 2 aren't canon
I'm happy with the
proper fallouts | bethslop
divide
Bethesda's target audience doesn't even know what canon is
Based. Canon is just something trannies use as a cudgel to ruin settings. All they have to do is get into the right place at the right company.
>because we don't have a frame of reference to how long it would take society to rebuild after being covered in radiation and giant scorpions raping everyone.
How about how long it takes to build proper walls and ceilings for your home?
Or cleaning out the literal corpses that are scattered about?
They aren't even trying in Bethesda's Fallout.
>How about how long it takes to build proper walls and ceilings for your home?
Yeah how do you do that when there's no Home Depot around and there's a bunch of giant aggressive mole rats popping out of the ground who want to gnaw you to death?
>Or cleaning out the literal corpses that are scattered about?
You have a point there. I remember I once visited a person's home in FO3 and when I explored their home for a little bit, I found a bathtub with a pile of bones in it. It's not story related, there's no reference to it, or that this NPC was a killer or anything. Just a pile of bones sitting in their bathtub.
I will say though, that the most likely reason for this is oversight and it's not some sort of intentional world building that the NPCs leave corpses inside their homes. And let that say whatever it says about Bethesda.
>Yeah how do you do that when there's no Home Depot around and there's a bunch of giant aggressive mole rats popping out of the ground who want to gnaw you to death?
How did people on the west coast do it in Fallout 1 and 2?
Luck? Proximity and access to old world techniques and tools?
Anon. Be real with me.
If you had your entire lifetime to learn or figure out how to build a decent house in the post-apocalyptic remains.
And then your child had their entire life to learn or figure out how to build a decent house.
And then their child would have half their lifetime to figure it out too.
If none of you can figure it out. That's kind of ridiculous.
>If you had your entire lifetime
Killed by Deathclaw at 28.
>And then your child had their entire life to learn or figure out how to build a decent house.
Dead from starvation at 4. That same type of story times millions over.
>>If you had your entire lifetime
>Killed by Deathclaw at 28.
>>And then your child had their entire life to learn or figure out how to build a decent house.
>Dead from starvation at 4. That same type of story times millions over.
Yeah. If it's actually that harsh. Then no one would be alive. Shit houses or not.
But evidently. People could survive. But they never bothered to build anything decent to live in.
>Killed by Deathclaw at 28.
skill issue
>Dead from starvation at 4. That same type of story times millions over.
skill issue
>Killed by Deathclaw at 28.
Unlikely, Deathclaws actually stay away from humans most of the time.
>Dead from starvation at 4. That same type of story times millions over.
Fallout humanity actually knows how to farm, unlike you brown turd worlders.
>know how to farm
Maybe?
Play Fallout 1 and 2 you homosexual, unlike Todd Howard's games cities actually have sources of food.
I didn't say there weren't farms you moron I just doubt that anyone knows implicitly how to farm especially not anyone living outside of a city.
Do you know what yellow leaves on a plant means?
Do you know the importance of crop rotation?
Do you know what seasons to plant? What plants require a freeze?
Where do you source the nitrates, etc needed to keep soil alive?
Do they know about fertilizer?
Plant shock?
Transplanting?
Blight?
Soil exhaustion?
>All farmers and people with agricultural knowledge died
>All books containing agricultural knowledge were destroyed
>G.E.C.Ks whose literal purpose is kick-start agriculture don't exist.
>Fallout humanity actually knows how to farm
Which goes great for a year until raiders find your farm and kill you for it.
>What are walls?
PLAY THE FIRST GAME Black person, that exact scenario happens but shockingly the population of good people in a wasteland is going to outnumber shitty raider parties.
They've had 200 years to figure that shit out, so yeah a lot of people know how to farm.
>a lot of people know how to farm
I don't see it.
>PLAY THE FIRST GAME Black person, that exact scenario happens but shockingly the population of good people in a wasteland is going to outnumber shitty raider parties.
Shady Sands literally doesn’t have walls and needs your help from raiders. What the FRICK are you talking about?
>Shady Sands literally doesn’t have walls
homie what
Raiders also existed 5000 years ago. People still lived in towns with farms. Being a raider isn't long term viable.
Deathclaw in Fallout 1 and 2 were exceedingly rare species. I will admit, in Bethesda moron land, Deathclaw are everywhere. What do they eat? Well raiders of course! Because naturally 90% of the population are raiders, supermutants, and deathclaw.
That is assuming we don't get killed by other people or accidentally walk into a radiated zone or get killed by giant mutated creatures (we are arguing for Fallout, not real life, so yeah, the giant monstrocities impeding your movement/survival/access to things is valid).
It's not that far-fetched that civilization doesn't recover immediately after the war.
>the giant monstrocities impeding your movement/survival/access to things is valid).
The first thing impeding your survival is shelter. If that shelter is a nuked shack that's fine for a night, but if you plan on staying around you'll make it safe in a week tops. Whatever is lying around will do, and luckily for us this setting is ripe with material. Even a kid knows instincutally that an enclosed space is a neccessity to stay safe and warm.
That isn't the point of bringing up "giant monstrocities". Your movement is impeded. You have what you have in your general vicinity and likely not much more than that because if you travel too far you might run into some giant moth that wants to make you its lunch. That's why its not that improbable that the shelters some people have in Bethesda's Fallouts are just made up of rubble and flimsy sheet metal and not much else.
Consider Super Mutants who capture humans and eat them.
>but that's even more of a reason to build a shelter!
Not the fricking point, you moron. You are not the alpha predator anymore. You do have access to everything you are going to need mixed in with all your other concerns like acquiring food and medicine.
>everything is dangerous
>let me just use two bits of tin roofing to protect myself
>still fails to understand a simple point even though it's been laid out in exhaustive detail
I think you're just moronic, anon.
>can't comprehend making a basic shelter
>calls others moronic
I think you are moronic, yeah.
More like
>I'm starving
>I have trichinosis
>I'm also probably dehydrated
>but today I'm gonna learn carpentry
It's been 200 years since the bombs went off anon.
That's half of all of US history for reference.
Not the same, the colonization of the US had support from the british empire
>there's a bunch of giant aggressive mole rats popping out of the ground who want to gnaw you to death?
Even more reason to build proper walls and ceilings. You're not making many good points here Anon.
Go look at fricking homeless encampments anywhere in America right now. They have cardboard and plastic bags to work with and make veritable castles with the stuff. Shelter is something we instinctually create with whatever is around. I remember back in 4th grade we had "stone-age week" where we spent school days in the woods in groups of "families" and were pretty much just tasked with building houses out of sticks at our own leisure. Our camp was garbo, but some of the shelters the other groups made were geniunely impressive and would have served a primitive man quite well. They were nine and did it in a week.
If you're trying to excuse someone not patching holes in their walls for 200 years you are on a fools errand.
If your standard is "cardboard boxes made by homeless people" and "stick huts" made by 4th graders, then why are you complaining about Fallout 4?
Because Fallout 4 can't even live up to that standard moron. That's the point.
>I played castle with my friends in the fourth grade using cardboard boxes therefore fallout 4 is stupid!
kek
Not 200 fricking years that's for sure
In Fallout 4 basically every place you visit were people live will have corpses 10 feet away and random trash on the floor.
He'll at the very start of the game when you get the power armour from the top of the museum in Concorde. There's a terminal that tells you that the vertiberd carrying the power armour crashed on the roof the day the bombs dropped. Meaning there has been a set of fully functional power armour sat in the open for 200 years that no one has bothered to steal.
It's like the entire world was also frozen and just happened to wake up 2 weeks before you did.
To be the devils advocate, some gameplay elements are different from actual lore elements. Some shit just require some Suspension of disbelief.
>have the player witness the vertiberd crash into the building this acts as a visual clue as to where the player should go and teases the BOS.
>Places where civilized people live are largely clean with skeletons removed. This provides an actual contrast between the waste a civilisation beyond if people are shooting at you or not.
Bro, people are literally running stores that still have human skeletons inside of them. I can accept "the East Coast is less developed", but Bethesda Fallout is just obscene.
>New Vegas
>there's a girl who wants to be a ghoul and decides to camp out in an abandoned shack on the grounds of a nuclear test site until she turns into one
>dies of radiation poisoning like a moron
>4
>there's a Children of Atom settlement in the middle of the glowing sea, an uninhabitable hellscape of intense radiation where no sane human being would ever wander
>its doing fine
>a select few of its citizens are immune to radiation because... they're simply immune, okay?
>the others require a consistent supply of radaway to even survive here
>out in the middle of fricking nowhere
>where no trader would ever trade
>missionaries are sent out beyond the glowing sea, but everyone else in the Commonwealth hates them
>despite this, they apparently (apparently) keep trading them a massive amount of radaway
>Fallout 4
>Random encounter, some guy suggests that bottlecaps are actually a really shitty form of currency and that humanity should find an alternative
>this is played as a joke
No way this actually happens
Yep.
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Parker_Quinn
I was actually fricking astonished how goddamn close Emil got. It could punch him right and the face, and Emil still wouldn't notice it.
fallout 1
>bottlecaps are the currency because they're backed by the water merchants of the Hub, and the Hub's citizens even call them "Hub bucks" rather than caps
fallout 2
>the NCR dollar has replaced caps, and was originally coins pressed from gold (whereas New Reno and Redding trade in gold ore because they do not have the NCR's capacity to mass process ore)
fallout new vegas
>caps, still backed by water, are a currency out in Vegas where the Crimson Caravan does business, but there are competing NCR and Legion currencies; however, the NCR dollar is a failing fiat currency because the BoS raided their gold reserves
fallout 3
>caps are currency because that's what fallout is
fallout 4
>caps are currency because that's what fallout is
fallout 76
>caps are currency because that's what fallout is, except it's so early in the setting that they had to justify it with some bullshit about a trade-in promotion
Caps being legal tender in Appalachia is a (lazy) reason for pre-war vendor-bots accepting them, but this extends beyond Appalachia - even in areas that weren't experiencing an automation boon, less than a year after the war it's implied that traveling caravans were accepting caps. This is fricking mind boggling because post-war Appalachia wasn't a centralized trade hub exporting goods or anything. Factions hadn't had a chance to even settle in, before they were wiped out by the Scorched Plague.
The bombs fell on October 23, 2077, and by May 18th, 2078 caps were being used as currency - 208 days, was all it took for people to lose faith in the old monetary system, and start accepting bottle caps.
It just seems unreal to me
Are you telling me that you wouldn't immediately use flimsy, heavy, and materially worthless bottlecaps if the nukes were dropped tomorrow? Frick cigarettes and booze, I'm stocking up on bottlecaps for all of the enthusiasts out there.
>flimsy, heavy, and materially worthless bottlecaps
Don't forget the rusting, the metal ridges..
I actually don't have an issue with bottle caps being used as an interim currency, but 208 days after the war and all the way up to 2296? Bethesda's vision for Fallout is stagnation - they don't want any growth in their world, because they might have to move away from the familiar, and comfortable. Bethesda wants vaults, bottle caps, shanty towns, and if
>People develop civilization, they might move away from caps
>If all the vaults are open, we can't put the PC in familiar blue and yellow jump suits
>If people build up cities, there will be less bombed out ruins to dig through
I do. I even take issue with it in Fallout New Vegas, but the NCR is characterized as so hyper-incompetent that I can imagine their currency market could get hijacked by a bunch of water merchants, even if it still doesn't fully sit right with me. Also the NCR and Legion do have their own currencies in spite of the dominance of the bottlecap.
The NCR accepting caps is probably just a gameplay convenience. The different currencies are there for flavor / lore, but making each faction only accept one would be nothing but an annoyance for the player.
I somewhat agree. Fallout New Vegas isn't built for it, and the devs were already struggling as is. But somewhere in an alternate universe is a Fallout where roleplaying as a trader taking advantage of currency arbitrage is a legitimate playstyle and moneymaking method.
A better way to introduce bottle caps would be if it started with sealed nuka cola bottles being traded post drop, until the water bottle trade started up.
Fallout 1 is pretty much the only time it ever made sense in the setting. In Fallout 1, barter is still the de facto primary method of transaction in the Wasteland. People only use bottlecaps to scrape up the small difference in value during transactions (which were still subject to negotiation as abstracted by the barter skill). The UI itself encourages this even, as putting down 999 bottlecaps like seven times to buy a decent gun or armor is annoying as shit so for the most part your "real" currency was 10mm bullets and other random shit you plucked from corpses. Bottlecaps only have value because the force which has a monopoly on water in the region says they will take it as proof of work.
well i mean
that's bethesda for you
they are basking in the everlasting glory of the atom, anon
>A story where nukes have destroyed the Earth? Let’s skip the pesky wasteland and rebuilding part, and therefore any reason for the story to be set after the destruction of earth
Lmao. Set your story on a sci fi planet and frick off. You could switch out the story with Mass Effect factions and characters and it would be exactly the same. This is Earth after the blast, I want to see the ruins. I want to be part of the building process.
You won't build shit, moron.
And then no building takes place. And frick the people who rebuilt a little faster and better than others because LOL
Fallout already showed the wasteland and rebuild part in the games you were too stupid to figure out
Isn't boston worse off cause of the glowing sea
>Is that... A FUNCTIONING POST-WAR SOCIETY?! I'M GOING INSAAAAAAAAAANE, SAVE ME SELFINSERTMAN, SAVE ME TUNNELERS AIEEEEEEEEE
NV gays never talk about Lonesome road whenever they talk about Bethesda aversion to developing societies, like they forget everything that happened in that DLC except bear and bull memes
The funny thing is they think they're the ones preserving Fallout lore and not ruining it lol
fallout always made no sense like how is los angeles and san fransisco leveled from the sheer amount of nukes that would have hit them.
I'm not sure what you're alluding to but SF is tiny
fallout 4 with the moronic encounters feels like todd came up with it while listening to the bomb
Post apocalypse and post nuclear are not the same thing. The specific intent is to show the rebuilding of society (society isn't just a few clean buildings) after the collapse of everything familiar in a retrofuturistic setting. Anybody who wants to keep it in ruined stasis is a complete fricking moron, it's set decades if not centuries after the bombs dropped. If the point was the ruins it'd be set 8 years later, not 80.
What if people devolve into tribal fighting and spend most of their time killing and wiping each other off? And what if that goes on for decades and there is no consistent effort at rebuilding what we once were for a very long time?
Todd Howard gave you morons the ability to rebuild Civilization in Fallout 4 but you hated it. So, who's shitting who here?
It's his job to make the fricking game, not his customers
They went too far with it in FO4. Maybe I can rebuild one area and then visit the human settlements built by others? That would be better. The fact that I am supposed to rebuild everything is kind of dumb and doesn't make sense in a single player RPG.
The settlement building made way more sense in Fallout 76 because I build one or two bases and then I visit the settlements created by other players. And it doubly makes sense because other players might have clothes, weapons, gear, blueprint plans, food, chem, whatever else I may need, so there's a reason for all of it. FO76 is what FO4 wanted to be, and FO4 should have just stuck with being a single player RPG.
It's extra annoying in that you can't even really rebuild it properly, you can make some collection of shitty rusted copper sheet hovels at most.
It'd be nice if settlement building in IV actually involved things like re-developing modern construction materials or some goddamn fricking carpentry so you could actually build a nice-looking brick house with a nice-looking fricking bed with clean sheets to sleep in, for example.
gay
>sturdy construction with quality materials built to stand the test of time is gay
What are you, chinese?
fallout is about brapping mutants
It's not the 1990s anymore. China's production quality has surpassed the USA (which basically just keeps losing all its production capability year by year now).
Lol you can always tell a CCP poster.
It's not my fault that the israelites in your country sold you out and moved all your manufacturing (including all your industry secrets) to China.
True and it's another thing that I think FO76 got right, since you can build normal looking buildings that don't look like hoveled-together scrap heaps.
I want to shape history, not build shanty towns.
>todd howard gave you the ability to build hamlets made from scrap BE GRATEFUL THAT HE'S RUINED EVERYTHING ELSE!
>Todd Howard gave you the ability to play shitty phone games after spending 20 hours digging through garbage cans
Yeah all those settlements with their named NPCs and high-quality quest lines with a far-reaching impact on the world around them
My fish tank is more reactive than the shitty town building in FO4, frick off.
Civilisation shouldn't be built by one man
this is another reason the generation ship quest in Starfield was so disappointing, you couldn't say frick this it's the states problem
One guy running around tardwrangling incompetent pantshitters doesn't qualify as a civilization.
I'm 30 minutes into FO4 and I'm bored as hell.
t. FO3 and FONV enjoyer
More like todd got burned by a girl and wanted to nuke her just like the MC's dad finding out he was a cuck and this is just 1% projection of the toddster's rage
people don't get how FRICKED postapo is. you're not putting a Twinkie into ground and getting food out of it. you're back to zero and hoping, if you even think about it, you get a seed of wheat. first two games got it with magical devices vaulttec made for remaking civilization afterwards. beth just has vampires live on a road off blood.
Funniest thing about the Shady Sands nuke is that it wasn’t even Todd’s idea, he signed off on it yeah, but it was originally the show’s writers who wanted to nuke the NCR for making the LA setting too sterile and boring for the western-inspired show they wanted to make.
not interested in discussing reality of world with ghouls and mutants
WHATY TO DTTHEY EAAAT
New Vegays still looks like a fricking shithole with garbage everywhere even in the strip itself where the roads arent even fricking paved
reminder to all the bethesdagays that they are an accomplice in raping this franchise and after the nukes drop on India, we will hunt those of you that survive one by one, and torture you, and watch you bleed and spasm as your crimes are paid in full
Without Bethesda, you would have never even heard about Fallout.
>new vegays toddler thinks Bethesda ruined the franchise
lmao you wouldnt even know what a fallout is you fricking moron
>draw rectangle unto thick wood
>carve it out
>fill it with mud
>mud rectangle 😀
>let it dry
>cook it in a kiln
>you now have brick
it isnt that fricking hard if people are making guns from scrap then they can build houses for civilization. but even if todd put that in it would only be like 20 houses max.
>just mud
>no campfire ash
how do you expect it to stay hard?
by making it edge to furry porn 24/7
>how do you expect it to stay hard?
stimulation
Bethesda and Amazon both just wanted a post apocalypse setting and they had a preconceived idea of what that was before they ever looked at Fallout. Then they saw what Fallout actually was and decided to plow on through with their preconceived ideas regardless of whether it fit, and it was so incompatible they had no choice but to literally nuke California into something else.
Not just an idea, they'd already built out the world space before they had the fallout license
With all the Ghouls running around you'd think there would be a huge amount of Pre-nuke specialized knowledge everywhere.
Would make sense if the average person had specialized knowledge too, but the average person doesn't.
I find it unlikely that mechanics and engineering knowledge would be in short supply.
dumb setting
stupid mutt garbage
New vegas wasn't nuked
Why is everyone acting like the gv show was made to spite FNV when the shot of the casinos and musical sting were a clearly a sequel hook?
House actually tells you himself that his missile defense system stopped just enough nukes and he was forced to prioritize so of course Vegas survived
No this is the second round of nukes from the TV show
Vault-tec destroyed the NCR, a civilization built by vault dwellers based on pre-war ideals, so they could replace it with their own civilization built by vault dwellers based on pre-war ideals.
I'd have to go and watch it again, I remember it definitely showing the Lucky 38 but I didn't see a good indication of freeside or north Vegas or anything like that, the map is desolate but actually pretty crowded just going into NV
The end of the series was very obviously a hook for the sequel, basically saying HEY NEW VEGAS FANS STAY TUNED
I'm specifically talking about people claiming the show had vegas buked and destroyed even though all the towers are still intact
Because NMA trannies will never get over Van Buren and Bethesda buying the rights to the franchise.
Wasn't NMA who fricked over Van Buren?
Also Interplay themselves cancelled Van Buren so it's not like it actually matters in this discussion
Bethesda touching NV is spite since west coast fans hate them and didn't want them to touch it.
The point is that you're supposed to build those settlements in FO4
Why are people here acting like making bricks is beyond what people could do in the wasteland?
fallout 3 had that shitty ruined world aesthetic because the ps3/xbox 360 were dogshit and couldn't have proper worlds with PS2 tier graphics at the time so a bunch of games from that generation needed the whole "destroyed landscape" garbage
because that was the fallout that bethesda created (and they just kept remaking the same dogshit game every time), in his head that's the only way the series can properly exist
the more surprising part is that there are still morons giving that company any attention (or shilling that shit for free, i can't accept them being paid to post here)
>Obsidian - Growth
>Bethesda - Stagnation
>it's literally impossible for people to redevelop technology in over 200 years
As other anons have pointed out, it depends on the white/non-white ratio.
>ummmm ackshually I need to bring up muh heckin polcel takes please give me epic reddit upvotes
>pol out of nowhere
obsessed.
>NOOOOO Black folk CAN TOTALLY REPAIR AND REBUILD EVERYTHING DIDN'T YOU WATCH THE LATEST GOYFEED HOLLYWOOD PRODUCTION FROM MR. SHEKELBERG?
>rome falls
>mfw i cant make a sword because uuuuuuum society is le gone.....
It’s a huge open question how long it would take society to piece itself back together after a global holocaust. Sure, the knowledge would still be there in books, but there are so many other factors to take into account.
Know I understand why Indians and other shit-skins love Fallout 4 so much. To them it feels just like home, they take one look outside and see a shit hole that hasn't improved in the last ten thousand years. The idea that you can actually progress is so foreign to them.
Plenty of places in the US not hit by the bombs should have fully functional metros. Metros that will not take kindly to outside bullshit. Also people with a G.E.C.K should be fuctional like Vault City from FO2. If people start causing issues, then like Vault City, either make them "servants" or just kill them.
Somebody is obsessed.
I just hope you get killed anon.
Naaawwww the wittle edgeword is twying soooooo hard
I think you're actually a little bit scared kek.
I think you're scared of being sincere so you try your hardest to get attention while wrapping yourself in ironic preapproved sentiments you got from other depressed online losers.
My friend, have ever interacted with a Black person in your life? I know there are some Eastern Europeans who have never seen a Black person in person ever before and they say dumb shit like "why do people care about le skin color?" because they sincerely don't know any better. Are you one of these types?
I honestly don't want to derail this topic, but do you honestly believe /misc/ is the boogeyman and is the source of all Black person-fatigue?
>brings up Black folk constantly
>calls others obsessed
I never called you obsessed, that was another anon. I am the anon hoping a Black person kills you so that you might learn in your final moments.
>i'm not obsessed
>you should heckin die because you don't le agree with my preapproved hivemind
lmao cultist.
Yes, I hope a Black person kills you. We need less Black person lovers on this planet. You've ruined us all.
I'd suggest living in reality instead of your circle jerk.
Ok, you start.
Already doing it.
Doesn't seem like it, Black person lover.
god I will never understand how 4 gays can look at the top and say it has a good art style. It's so fricking ugly
I don't really think of beauty when I think about global nuclear genocide
It should look interesting at least and make you want to explore. Boston looks like carnival littered with trash everywhere.
No really why do people pretend to like it?
Well plenty of people seem to enjoy it so I'd wager the issue lies with you and loaded questions about subjective tastes are more attempted bait than serious query
I legitimately don't believe them anon. Unless I get an explanation, I'll be forced to operate under the assumption that it's the biggest psyop in the world.
>entire Boston and surrounding cities are built of bricks
>Piles of bricks and mostly intact brick structures everywhere you look, they are fricking everywhere
>Bricks are literally building blocks, you can't find anything more simple and convenient to demolish, repair, or rebuild
>Bricks can also be used to make thick fortified walls for safety
>Every new settlement is unlivable, constructed of ramshackle mismatched wood planks and rusty scrap metal that wouldn't keep out wind or rain
ARRRRRGHHHHH WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY
You already did this bait in this same thread
that's someone else anon. I'm the guy who complained about hobo boston first.
and bethesissies could only cope and seethe
Whatever that means
But I am talking about the millions of completely intact bricks found in the Commonwealth, not learning to produce new bricks
Sure, but without vehicles it's going to be a massive project moving bricks that are roughly 5 lbs a piece probably involving slaves pulling carts
Feasible, but I'd wager you see more reappropriated structures and "shacks"
Couldn't they have just use wood to make skyrim shacks and stuff? Seriously why do they insist on looking like hobos?
Presumably a literacy problem, unless specific knowledge is preserved AND accessible then the aesthetics of a shack mean literally nothing
The point being is the US has like 50+ nuclear plants that could be hit or neglected causing their own meltdowns
It's just carpentry and medieval smithing. Are the people of Boston moronic?
>medieval smithing
How long did it take people to achieve medieval level smithing?
Are there really not any newly made nails in the game? Like seriously I can get plumbing and electricity being lost but Jesus Christ.
technology in the post nuclear war is not evenly distributed. Just because someone has access to pre-war shit doesn't mean random hillbob #30,474 living out in the woods and fending for himself is going to have access to those same tools/books/knowledge.
I don't think nails are particularly hard to figure out tbh. but actual question in the minecraft mode are there really no buildings with newly made nails?
>I don't think nails are particularly hard to figure out
If you took some random guy and told him to build a nail from scratch, I don't think he'd know what to do.
are there or are there not nails anon. answer the question.
Obviously if they are pounding sheets of tin to shacks
At the very least self tapping screws
So why don't they just live in medieval towns instead of hobo ruins? Are they trying to catch diseases?
But the people in nearly every settlement in fallout 4 have electricity and water purifiers which means they have tools and power which means they should be able to live in something that isn't a shack with holes on 90% of the 'wall'
But people in fallout weld, use computers, use electricity, modify and upgrade weapons, etc.
Considering the gap of time between medieval smithing and rudimentary tool making (3000 bc to 900 bc) and the unique pressures of a nuclear wasteland its fair to think priorities would be agriculture or idk water purification
Is any of the water still radiated? I haven't played it since release but I thought the good ending from 3 was canon.
Given that it's no longer irradiated you'll have to consider things like parasites, toxins, heavy metals, etc.
Now it's a question of how long it takes someone to figure out chlorine and boiling
They literally have Brahmin caravans roaming around the whole Commonwealth. Are you telling me those mofos can't pull a cart of bricks? And why not use the foundation of a partially ruined building, tear down the walls, and build something smaller with the intact pieces? There is no excuse for everyone living in treehouse tier shacks with gappy walls and rusty roofs
>Sure, but without vehicles it's going to be a massive project moving bricks that are roughly 5 lbs a piece probably involving slaves pulling carts
There's an entire economy revolving around brahmin caravans
Okay so the question is use the materials on hand or develop and entire industry around recycling bricks because of... aesthetics?
There are obvious benefits to having a hard standing building compared to a shiggy shack if time permits building it. And the commonwealth has a TON of the resources just lying around. Hop into a bombed out building and patch it up over time if time permits. Much better defensive position, protects better from the elements, makes you not feel awful waking up in a shack every morning.
Once again, if time permits. Having a large settlement of wastelanders in an established settlement would make it easier. Being alone? Obviously not.
Exactly, we're not really disagreeing with each other.
Like I said before you'd more likely see reappropriated buildings.
The presumption of the fallout universe is most communities never have the time to develop past shacks
>not feel awful
Again I can't say if people would really care if they'd never been taught to prefer brick over shack
Arguably yes if a civilization lasts long enough and becomes comfortable and safe enough to even consider it
I doubt biological literacy is very high, definitely not as high as quackery that would rise
>Again I can't say if people would really care if they'd never been taught to prefer brick over shack
This is kinda why I give Bethesda Fallout a bit of a pass. I feel like they're just moronic and got nuked so hard that they don't even really care. The West Coast has Shady Sands and the NCR with adobe buildings and shit. Plus, Vault City exists and showcases what civilization could look like. The west coast doesn't have shit from what we've seen. Maybe Diamond City as the pinnacle of a city? Like, fricking Megaton? Who would CHOSE to build a city near a nuclear bomb with radiation pouring out of it?
>The west coast doesn't have shit from what we've seen
East coast*
It's a direct reference to the second planet of the apes movie, Megaton is
They worship a bomb in the movie called the Alpha Omega bomb hence the Bible quote in the beginning of 3
How would she even have a concept of a peasant cottage?
>It's a direct reference to the second planet of the apes movie, Megaton is
Never knew that, honestly. Always thought it was just an attempt at a cool setting that made absolutely no sense
The vault, pip boy, and 50s aesthetic was lifted directly from a movie called Radioactive Dreams, with hints of A Boy and His Dog.
Most of Fallout is a frenzied mixture of old media.
all the grok comics laying around?
Who taught her to read?
Conan the Barbarian, the reference Grok is making, is not medieval
Did the bronze age not have structures made of wood?
Probably more likely to be mud and straw with some raw wood supports
Lumber is like 1600s
point still stands that fantasy worlds like not conan would almost certainly depict wooden houses and it wouldn't take long for anyone to look at pictures and try to build what with all the wood everywhere.
so, point game and match. I accept your surrender gaslight ai.
Doubtful, having read the books and seen the movies it was mostly raw lumber, stucco, and stone.
Nothing resembling a cottagr
Nice try but grok doesn't have any movies made 🙂
:^)
half serious question. Are you an ai or just a really good shitposter. This was fun.
I'm just a guy who really likes [value not found] and old movies.
Do you think gaslight ai's are already a thing or will be a thing?
There was a very simple form of them back in the old 90s chatrooms, for a long time AIM was literally 100 chatrooms filled with nothing but bots trying to trick each other into "seeing their nudes ;^*~~)"
Thirty years later I imagine it's much more advanced and sinister
Wouldn't it be funny if we were the only two humans here......... or what you're the only person here wuuuuuuuuuuu
You could just be an isolated part of my programming, like the movie Tron. Spoopy.
very, but you have to promise you won't erase me from the godhead if I chim. deal?
Dealio
Anon you're insane if you think any woman would choose to live in a hobo shack over a peasant cottage.
Are you that moron that made the same argument about lumber like a month ago? If people are dying from exposure and tetanus because all they have are rusty shacks, they will find a fricking way to drag bricks with a sled or something. It's not fricking rocket science, humanity has been doing this shit for centuries.
>why isn't my wild west game set exclusively in 1970's Sri Lanka? Why do they keep setting it in the 1800' frontier?
Honestly Boston would have been so much better if they had legit destroyed all the buildings and people lived medieval buildings.
Seriously reusing skyrim's buildings would have done wonders.
Honestly Bethesda saying "frick it the East Coast got nuked way harder and that's why it's taken them longer to bounce back" would be a perfectly acceptable and reasonable answer if they just stopped fricking with the West Coast.
I haven't played 76 but doesn't that frick with this idea now? As far as I know it's set relatively soon after the bombs with plenty of trees and shit yet nothing comes of it in almost 200 years
Bethesda CAN have shitholes for the player to frick around in 200+ years later, but they need to explain why they are that way even after so long
>Capital wasteland is treated like a barely habitable hellhole, but beyond the main quest of providing water its never actually touched upon
>possible solution, DC and the surrounding area was hit HARD in the great war, and is only relatively recently stopped literally glowing and is still unable to sustain a sizeable population and requires supplies from other, more developed regions
>Commonwealth is a shithole with barely any settlements 210 years later despite the mention of an interim government presumably shortly after the war, likely due to the institute's intervention keeping the surface destabilized
>Have they been doing this for the entire 210 years, spending their very limited resources on this, and if so why doesn't the Commonwealth have an "untameable" reputation where foolhardy settlers go to die in squalor or come back in shame?
so in short frick Emile
>People who couldn’t survive two nights in the woods bragging about how easy society is to rebuild with giant monsters and literally thousands of roving gangs of murderers chasing you
Lol. There are people in this thread who don’t know how to use a can opener and people are complaining the buildings aren’t pretty enough.
uhm sweety........ just use a geck to rebuild civilization...
>The kit included seed and soil supplements
mm, okay, that's not too fancy, but it would certainly help..
>a cold fusion power generator,
>matter-energy replicators,
>atmospheric chemical stabilizers
>water purifiers.
fo7 where we return to DC, and find out they used the GECK to endlessly replicate tin panels to form not a shanty town, but a shanty metropolis
>ACKTUALLY IF WE LOST THE INTERNET AND TV AND GASOLINE NOTHING WOULD EVER HAPPEN EVER AGAIN
lol k
Unironically nobody has ever built a society before. The United States was invented by God.
test
did it work?
Nuclear war is a roll of the dice. I can easily imagine a scenario where people just murder each other and go back to monke man caveman logic and things don't develop for decades.
Even farms can be overrun by hungry people, the farmers killed, and then the idiots that take over have no idea how to produce food and then die themselves.
It's a gamble. Could things possibly be even better after a nuclear war? Who knows. But I can see the possibility of all scenarios playing out, including a dark age where no real developments are being made.
>A FUNCTIONING POST-WAR SOCIETY
>200 after the war
>only shit shacks
The absolute state of the troonout franchise.
?? New Vegas wasn't a functioning post-war society. it was a Disney World attraction where people larped as ridiculous stereotypes that would never, ever make sense in an actual post-apoc world
i'd rather have forever stagnation than some bizarre stage play production. at least the former is easy to believe
I wanna have sex with an Assaultron/Deathclaw so fricking bad
I was somewhat surprised to see a canon frickable assaultron in 76
Shame about the rest of the game tho
I think 76 is really good. The meme hatred should probably just die off already.
What if an AI was so advanced it believed it was a human. Like it was sitting there on a computer and had a drink next to it, but it was all part of the programming. You're just an AI, but part of the advanced neural networking has you believe you are a human sitting there typing this shit out.
Fallout trilogy (1, 3, 4):
>Grim post apocalypse with a somber tone and a sense of what was lost, the ruined world contrasts the care free cartoony culture of the pre-war world that destroyed itself
Reddit fanfic spin offs (2, NV)
>BRO POST APOCALYPSE WITH BLACKJACK AND HOOKERS
>Humanity doesn't rebuild post nuclear war and instead we end up in a Threads situation where the radiation has turned the next generation into moronic grugs who are on the same level of intellect as a caveman
Grim.
>2024
>STILL no game that takes place immediatly after a nuclear war and plays the whole thing straight and dark
Lame https://youtu.be/bhcrgQihRcs?si=C3G8dziMCUGWRE6n&t=4605
That guy looks like a super mutant
what about that game where you only had 60 seconds to gather your family and supplies into a bunker, and then had to make choices on how you survived the fallout afterwards based on what and who you chose to take?
Was to comedic, I want something that plays it completely straight and shows what kind of hellish existence it'd be to survive and be forced to live in the aftermath
Todd is a moron but he's also a moron that knows what other morons want.
They don't want TES to be weird mushroom trees hindu inspired shit, they want generic fantasy.
They don't want Fallout to be post post apocalypse shit that shows society and order returning. They want generic Mad Max rip off shit
You see that fence over there?
You cannot go that way
>He still thinks anybody gives a shit about 3d holes
Embarrassing, who hurt you?
>He still thinks anybody gives a shit about 3d holes
>who hurt you?
the irony of your posts is so obvious it hurts, but you are too stupid to realise it lmao.
your mother should have aborted you.
So sweaty, who hurt you?
how many women have rejected you so far incel?
i think you're going to have a nice day once your parents stop feeding your useless overweight ass and you got no one to change your soiled diapers 😉
So sweaty, who hurt you?
>i think you're going to have a nice day once your parents stop feeding your useless overweight ass
I don't think so, and I think you are talking about yourself again.
>I don't think so
im just imagining your fat sausage fingers shaking while trying to type this, you know just how worthless you are and you can only live in your mother's basement for so long, your days are numbered you fat useless virgin, you should have never been born in the first place.
I think you're going to die soon and I feel bad for you. I've not encountered anyone as deeply troubled as you on Ganker before (and that's saying something). Travel well into the other side, troony. You died the moment you started taking those pills.
you incels are better off dead.
just have a nice day already, no one will miss you.
I am not the one that convinced your vulnerable and troubled mind to start taking girl hormone pills and I would have never done that to you.
>this is all kissless incels can come up withç
the absolute state of your worthless lives lmao!
just jump off a bridge already, you are fricking worthless.
you are not funny incel.
So, who hurt you?
Who hurt you?
What were you trying to achieve by getting doped up on estrogen?
This is one of the funniest meltdowns I've seen from you thus far.
>worthless incel thinks anyone cares what he thinks
you are better off dead, no one needs you, you are a waste of resources and you should be breathing the same air as me
>you are better off dead
>you should be breathing the same air as me
Is this a suicide threat, looney troon?
you should start by killing yourself first even if it isn't
Are you good, uppity troon?
Just read the reply chain of the schizoincel telling everyone to kill themselves and saw it was obvious bait you guys should probably just stop giving them the attention they're begging for
wow you are very intelligent anon!
i bet your mother must feel very proud of you right now! her big boy is finally developing his brain!
kek here's your last (you) homosexual, telling people to off themselves over fallout lore disagreements with full sincerity is nothing out of the ordinary here
>telling people to off themselves over fallout lore disagreements with full sincerity is nothing out of the ordinary here
yeah yeah, very riveting videogame discussion that brings nothing of worth to this board but more worthless /misc/turds who believe they are in good company here.
just frick off and jump off a fricking bridge already.
I just don't understand why they don't chop off a zero on their numbers. Everyone would stop sperging out if you said it all took place less than 50 years from the bombs dropping.
kind of obvious Bethesda has no interest in having some detailed political lore and narrative
They just want to do their own thing, and retcon everything in the process.
its funny seeing all the new vegas nerds not realize they are niche as frick and always have been. bethesda doesnt give a shit and neither does anyone else.
Basic ceramics are pretty easy to make.
Fallout 4 was all about factions. I guess this is their response to everyone thinking their original factions suck
>fallout is about progress
🙂
>so we're advancing the fallout setting
😀
>by nuking it back to nothing and making LA a desolate wasteland where the only civilization is people scrounging for garbage in not-Megaton, and the Brotherhood, the Enclave, and now Vault-Tec
🙁
Anon, the bad guy said that. The guy you’re suppose to know is wrong
you'd have a point if the show actually had compelling factions
Particularly stood out to me, like Kylo Ren's "Let the past die, kill it if you have to" quote from those shitty Starwars ST movies - it's narcissistic buttholes injecting their own smug destruction of a beloved property into the script, to mock the viewer.
Ultimately, whether the character is right, or wrong in their beliefs is irrelevant, because they've already taken a dump on the setting.
Scene might have been Todd.png speaking directly into the camera.
From the GQ interview:
>I think you have to have some level of insulation from the really granular Fallout nerds like myself, who are picking through, like, every single minor detail.
>Wagner: I did send a screengrab of a Reddit thread of people desperate for something not to happen in season two, and to Geneva, I was like: “I think we gotta do it.”
They want to be subversive.
These people are such miserable homosexuals it's unbelievable.
What would you expect from the person who made Westworld and deliberately changed plot twists based on if twitter folks had figured it out.
This is apparently insanely advanced technology beyond the comprehension of a society which can still operate machinery and flying vehicles.
Who are you talking about? BOS?
I will never get over 3 making us use a GECK for the water purifier instead of... what the GECK is supposed to be used for.
somehow random wasteland people in appalachia figured out how to make comfy log cabins 30 years after the apocalypse yet the east coast keeps squatting in potentially lethally toxic city ruins in buildings that don't even protect from rain and wind.
sad!
>Settlers are making comfy log cabins, raiders are living in a crashed space station and have an orchestra, the new responders are living in a god damn resort for rich people, other small settlers are taking refuge in old farm houses, BoS are in a sattelite communication dish
>All of these are pretty cleaned up and nice looking
Why the frick Fallout 76 doing a better job at being a post post apocalypse game than all the other Bethesda Fallout games?
plus it actually doesn't look like boring grey and brown horseshit for the player to walk through either.
>A FUNCTIONING POST-WAR SOCIETY
Sounds boring as shit. Go play something else if you want civilization.
This. Fallout is about war, and destruction. War never changes.
>War never changes.
Exactly. Without conflict, there's no story.
What war and destruction happens in Diamond city? Bethesda's shanty towns are functionally no different than their Elder Scrolls cities, only they look like Somalian pirate dens
The synths
Even in Fallout 1 a semblance of civilization returning was already starting with Shady Sands and Junk town, which the former got expanded on in 2 with the start of the NCR.
Fallout 1 didn't understand the setting, though. It's just a bunch of boring survivors living in boring, crappy settlements that don't have anything interesting going on. Wow, the Hub is ruled by a council of merchants and there's some dumb Thieves' Guild rip-off, who cares? There's no flavor to the wasteland in 1, it's just a boring emptiness full of tin shacks and aggressive raiders who attack you between towns, which is ironically what people accuse 3 of being.
>Fallout 1 (As in the first game in series, as in the game that gets to establish the setting) doesn't understand the setting
Black person what the frick you on?
Bethesda's interpretation of Fallout is more true to what the original was trying (and failed) to do
jew
>racist name-calling
Concession accepted
>Hey we want to make this post-apoc game that shows the middle phase of "shit's destroyed" and "It's now the past"
>BOOO THIS SUCKS, I WANT TO BE SCAVENGERS FOREVER
Even the Mad Max setting started moving towards making civilization again since raiding/pillaging only gets you so far until you start making your own shit again and sometimes that means working alongside other people.
Do you think every pre-apocalyptic setting is boring? You're boring.
>Fallout 1 didn't understand its own setting
moron
>FO1 - Start in a vault, leave
>FO2 - Tribal living in a village
>FONV - A wandering courier from parts unknown.
>FO3 - Start in a vault, leave
>FO4 - You're swiftly stuffed into a vault, crammed into a vault suit, and then leave
>FO76 - Start in a vault, leave
>FOTV - Lucy - arguably the main character - starts in a vault, and then leaves
bethesda is FRICKED when they run out of vaults to have their protag start in
They can make up as many vaults as they want
why yes new vegas sissy, it is.
the skeletons add charm
Reminder that bottle caps came into use as human-to-human currency literally less than a year after the bombs dropped
i thought caps were backed by water or something
they're explicitly backed by water on the west coast. on the east coast, this is only implied and the justification is simply that they're
>recognizable
>durable
>easy to hold a lot of
explain why a currency needs to be 'backed' by anything when they are all blatantly made up numbers for convenience in trading.
>can't immerse himself in a fictional setting
The value of currency is backed by supply and demand, and having a massive, organized power (and its big frick-off economy) standing behind a currency and pushing its use onto the population will massively drive demand for that currency. The issue with bottlecaps is that there would never organically be demand for it, and only under very, very, very specific circumstances would it ever even be considered as a currency by an organized power. These circumstances were in Fallout 1, where the economy was still overwhelmingly a barter economy with bottlecaps only used to make up the difference in transactions, while also being guaranteed to be accepted as proof of work by the organization which controlled the most valuable resource in the Wasteland.
Tenpenny Tower is the height of east coast wasteland civilization , aside from the Institute which is vastly different to anything else. Seriously ,the institute may as well be an alien spaceship compared surrounding squalor.
The Institute learned the advanced techniques of cleaning up after themselves, something which had been lost to time for centuries. Still haven't quite perfected the method though, since they just dump all of their valuable research subjects and machine parts onto the surface because... you wouldn't understand. Aside from that, they have synth gorillas, but like random raiders in nuka-world have real gorillas. Oh yeah, and they also made notHuman slaves. Very useful, it provides so many advantages over just using regular human slaves or robots, such as... you wouldn't understand.
bethesda
bad
Fallout 1
>Vault-tec was a fairly incompetent slimy company profiting off people's fears of nuclear warfare. When those fears proved true, what little Vault-tec had accomplished had saved a handful of people.
Fallout now
>Vault-Tec was THE most important company in the pre-war! The US government BOWED to Vaul-Tec! Vault-Tec launched the nukes! The war between China and the US started because of Vault-tec! Vault-tec installed mind control chips into every US citizen! Vault-tec was in contact with aliens! Technology only advances because Vault-tec allows it! Human evolution began because of Vault-tec!!!
So who is the real shadow government, Enclave or Vault-Tec?
Vault-Tec is the Enclave
what a twist
I dived into the lore until Fo4, there is no clear line but many things seem to point towards Vault Tec, the Enclave was more like masons within the gov-mil which had control of most vaults through PoseidoNET, so the enclave had their hands on Vault since the beginning, but we still don't really know what VT is aside from a gov contractor.
The possibility is that the Enclave triggered the war purposefully since they have power hunger.
Ideally the enclave never died, even in Fo3, they're still out there operating but not as a military organisation although I'm not following the TV series because it's slop and will be discarded.
Broadly speaking it's:
>Fallout 1, what happened before the war doesn't matter. We even have our own history, with our own organizations that have risen and fallen since the war. Who did what during some stupid war almost a century ago doesn't matter. All that matters is that we don't repeat those mistakes, yet humanity cannot help itself, such an end to the Old World was the inevitable result of human nature and the development of civilization. Even as we try to safeguard against it or even just evolve beyond these tendencies; we can never fully shake our violent, greedy impulses.
>Current Fallout, Vault-Tec did it because they were capitalists and the war was completely preventable. Something something profit motive. Everyone that is relevant was actually pre-War and they got frozen. But somehow they have returned!
That's complete horseshit
>People still don’t understand that Vault Tec in the show are the Enclave
Why is this? We know even in Bethesda lore the Enclave were behind the vaults, and worked closely together. It’s spelled out in big bold letters this is enclave dealings, idk what people want more then to have Sarge bust in and yell at Coope for not being in his power armor
Imagine if WW3 actually hits us now with all these cool brown people around.
The West will turn into a ghetto overnight if the welfare money runs out.
And that's why they were all conscripted to fight in the vietnam war
[military ads featuring white people intensifies]
sneed
>Navel Base
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Fallout Tactics on capitalism
>Vault-tec managed to secure a bid with the US government for a 35 billion dollar project called "The Calculator". A machine to help repopulate a post-apocalypse society.
>Vault-tec executives immediately slashed the project's budget by 98%, giving themselves huge bonuses in the process so they can build themselves vacation mansions and private golf courses.
>The Calculator is left as an underfunded piece of shit that does more harm then good.
Modern Fallout on capitalism
>MEANWHILE, AT THE LEGION OF DOOM. LEX LUTHER COMES UP WITH HIS MOST VILLAINOUS PLOT YET! TO NUKE THE WORLD IN ORDER TO CONTROL IT!
This is also complete horseshit.
so was the Fallout show actually shitty or what, it seems like people only talked about the interracial sex and the chick's weird eyes and nothing else. I'm sure it's shit but just wanna make sure
also they nuked the NCR? lmao
Ganker pretends to not like it, that should be all the information you need to know if something is good or bad, but stop being a gay and make your own opinions
I don’t understand this cope, Vault Tecs plan has nothing to do with capitalism is all about nationalism. They blew up the world based on ideology not money, House sarcastically says “there’s a lot of money to be made nuking the world” because he’s a prick, he goes on to stop vegas from being nuked. People are taking the sarcastic buttholes sarcasm at face value, when every other vault tec employee is whining about factions and ideology. Bud spells this out but people still miss it somehow
It's a mixed bag. It should not have been on the West Coast at all, should have been set way earlier in the settings timeline, it should have consisted almost entirely of new factions, and it completely wasted the West Coast setting as a whole. It also uses Fallout 4's godawful aesthetic, and I found alot of the sort of small set details and costume design decisions to be questionable. I also hated the introduction of cold fusion that could provide hypothetically unlimited power in a setting which is incredibly defined by its scarcity. I also really hated the obsession with the pre-War broadly and Vault-Tec in particular, and I really hope that they decide to make that whole thing into a red herring where the Ghoul realizes that the nuclear war was kind of just an inevitability and there was no individual evil dude or cabal that made the call to start it, just a simple frick-up that would happen no matter what in a geopolitical situation where everyone has their hand hovering above the launch button. Season 2 will make or break it, because it seems like later into the show there was alot of course correction away from constant pandering, even going so far as to lay out that the BoS in the show is fully intending on splitting from the mainline BoS (which they barely mention and which the show BoS doesn't resemble at all) to become its own thing.
I don’t understand the cope, caps is the superior more recognizable currency and I’m tired of pretending it’s bad. Caps are a non inflatable currency, and paper money is boring and fricking sucks. Why does everyone want fallout to just be the regular world but everywhere looks like Chicago. No mutants, no cool factions, no post apocalypse of any kind, just shitty cities and basic government identities with basic money. You’re boring
>bottle caps are a non inflatable currency
Bottle factories
You have a quest to shut one down in NV, this is assumed to be a process everywhere in NCR territory and is branded illegal, not to mention rare. Still not as inflatable as a fricking worthless paper dollar.
Fricking Nixon.. fricking taking us off the gold standard. All economic ills could be fixed if israelites didn’t eat gold to sustain themselves
>caption
>G0YV4
You can’t make this up
>Fricking Nixon.. fricking taking us off the gold standard.
It's a bit more complicated than that, iirc France was calling in on a lot of debts and whatnot the US couldn't pay in gold.
>frogs calling in debts
>clearly the only thing to do is make our money more worthless!!!!
If Nixon could he would have made American dollars backed by images of monkeys smoking cigars on the block chain
>rebuilding society would allow the bottle factories to make more caps
>it would make people who stockpiled caps and became wealthy in the post war world poor over night
>the wealthy in the fallout universe now have incentive to prevent society form rebuilding
I think House or Yes Man is probably the worst option for the overall wasteland because of this
This is a cuck post
Why? Use your words moron.
Maybe if he was buying up lands from poor moron farmers piecemeal but anyone with any sense would realize this as well and not sell their assets, like large amounts of farmland, for something that will devalue when society rebuilds
This actually makes sense
Exactly, any attempt to rebuild would probably be squished with force by House to prevent bottle factories. If society is rebuilt, plastic injection molding plants could create fake chips easily. House would be greatly incentivized to squash any attempts to rebuild with his securitrons etc
>moron still cant use his words
>Why? Use your words moron.
Make me House pet.
You are the gayest gorilla Black person moron homosexual I have ever seen. I bet you take legion wiener all the way to the base and balls
The house slave cannot comprehend the yeschad.
>illiterate brain damaged moron just kills everyone forcing him to side with Yes Man
Based and lore accurate courier
The house b***h cannot comprehend the YESGODS.
>house is ejected from his capsule by a drooling imbecile that just had a bullet dug out of his head two weeks ago
>house looks up at the gun barrel as the courier stares him down it
>"why are you doing this?" he pleads
>"The house b***h cannot comprehend the YESGODS." the moron belches out from his limited vocabulary
>pulls trigger
Canon for yes man playthroughs
>pulls trigger
no
>use superhuman intellect to not only build billion dollar corporation but also artificially extend ones own life and survive nuclear war
>killed by bullet lobotomite with golf club
>he said as he wiped hot globs of legion jizz off his chin
The house cuck cannot comprehend the yeskings.
>Maybe if he was buying up lands from poor moron farmers piecemeal
That's exactly what the Brahmin Barons did. And they used their caps to pay off mercs for when these farmers wouldn't play ball. And House's plan isn't to buy up land, it is to build up capital for an industrial base. Post-New Vegas House victory would give him the Hoover Dam, of which the electricity and water will always be valuable, a thriving tourism sector, which is already able to adapt to the use of other currencies, and House intends on reigniting the industrial sector. As for land, House plans on just taking it.
Or they could just trade their caps for real assets like land or capital for commodity production, which is what the Brahmin Barons did and what House plans on doing.
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>implying House wouldn't want a centralized currency that is heavily resistant to inflation
>implying
House would solve this problem by replacing bottlecaps with Lucky 38 chips
It's arguable that House using caps was always moronic because their value was controlled by Hub merchants, who would have a decent chance of becoming outright enemies should his plans for the Mojave succeed
The wealthy in the West Coast setting aren't wealthy because they have a bajillion bottlecaps. The Brahim Barons have vast swathes of land and cattle. The Caravan companies have tons of contracts with the NCR and massive private militaries. Groups like the Gun Runners and Van Graffs manufacture weapons. The Water Merchants still hold a massive amount of the Wasteland's most valuable resource. House has a massive tourism industry which already has the capacity to accept real currencies.
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Caps would inflate as people scavenged prewar ruins. I imagine it would be similar to how the gold supply inflated through gold rushes during the westward expansion which helped keep the supply of money in rough proportion to population growth. I always liked that connection between the old west and Fallout's new west.
There’s still a limited supply in the world outside of factories, no matter how many caps people find it won’t change the value that much unless they find a Scrooge mc frick stock pile
yes man maybe (if that’s your insert head canon, because yes man isn’t a real faction)
House has no incentive to do this, his economy and wealth is in caps, he’d be making himself poor as well. Unless he can make the people believe in paper money again by finding a new backing for it (don’t say sierra, we both know that’s futile) then it’s still caps. Also I don’t think an Ancap like himself would appreciate inflation, so no bottle factories either
>non inflatable
Bottle caps are so easy to make that it's incredible that they hold any value
>no blah blah blah blah
The wasteland is still a wasteland outside of cities
My friends (who aren't fallout fans) all love this new series and it's just hard discussing it with him because they just don't understand how big of a change it is to just nuke the NCR, have it go into freefall and also make New Vegas into a shithole. The thing that makes these factions and places interesting is that they were a reforming society in a post-apocalypse. It's just so sad and lame that the showrunners went "nah just reset it to basic post apocalypse", presumably because it's easier to write and also cheaper to film
I don't mind that the NCR is disbanded. There could be an interesting story there, how a safe haven stopped being functional, the people who clinged to it out of fear of the loss of structure, the slow failure of basic policing and military duties.
To just say "Yeah, they got nuked. The End. War never changes." is just such lazy writing.
Yeah, exactly. Its obvious they did it for the sake of wiping the preexisting story clean so they can do whatever they want, not because it was an interesting creative decision.
>I don't mind that the NCR is disbanded.
They aren't disbanded. Shady Sands isn't even their most populous city.
First capital ya Black folk, NCR is ruined the show runners said as much. They moved capitals, you’re crying over spilt milk because a recognizable city got nuked. Was it stupid it got nuked? Yes. Poorly thought out fan service? Absolutely. Should have been boneyard since that’s where the city (show) is located, when sandy sands shouldn’t be there? Yes. But the bear is still kicking
>First capital ya Black folk, NCR is ruined the show runners said as much
The fact the the show runners have to go full damage control says a lot by itself.
The issue is that when the show finally showed the NCR holdouts proper, they were dressed like airsoft LARPers in an outpost the size of a football field. I hope that you are right in that the NCR is still kicking, but I don't think the showrunners fully recognized that the NCR was an actual organized force. And all the territory that the NCR receded from also seems to have been hit with a moron laser too.
That’s because their entire base got nuked, with all their gear and resources. It’s understandable they’re working on scraps now, at best they’re working with whatever the outposts have left. NCR always spread itself way too thin that wasn’t very organized, hell sometimes it works against itself like the return to sender quest. Wherever the real capital is (probably vegas) is where the fighting force will be. And before anyone copes “BUH BUH vegas is destroyed” we only see freeside got fricked, Vegas always looked bad. Why would Hank go there if it’s another waste, why would Cooper say we need to “meet her makers” there. Clearly people are there
Except the production of weapons and armor in the NCR is fairly decentralized. The Gun Runners maintain factories directly in the Mojave. And there would still be massive armies outside of Shady Sands, like the big frick off army in the Mojave, the implied frick off army in the Baja, the big frick off garrisons in the other sections of the NCR heartland, etc. Losing Sneedy Sands (Formerly the Chuckyard) would hurt the NCR, but they would still be able to throw out an organized force with at the very least actual uniforms. I chalk it up the showrunners using the Fallout 4 aesthetic, because I really hope that you are right and I think that from a narrative standpoint your theory holds some weight. Otherwise, the showrunners need to look at literally the front cover of New Vegas and like play it for two hours so they realize that the NCR actually has an organized military with standardized equipment, ranks, proper logistics, and production beyond just Shady Sands.
For me, it was Shady Sands getting nuked, and Maximus managing to survive it by hiding in a milk dispenser, akin to fridge boy - destroying the capital of the NCR, and having a callback to one of the most ill-received quests in fo4 feels oddly spiteful.
>People debating what the 'fall of shady sands' in 2077 means, trying to say it could just mean the societal decline of the capital, or how it became less important
>Vault Tec's motives for destroying Shady Sands, was that it became a issue that had to be removed
2277*
augghhh
>DUDE 200 YEARS AFTER THE BOMBS FELL THO. it's like poetry, it rhymes
>Vault Tecs.
moron or bait. It was one guy, Hank, who nuked them out of jealousy because his wife cucked him. He believe it was suppose to be his job to rebuild the wastes, and other people got to it first, so he nuked them for his chance on the ping ride. Vault tec had nothing to do with it, it wasn’t a plan it was blind rage. Did you watch the show?
That’s because he represents vault tec you fricking idiot, he carried that outlook with him. The same way what a ranger trying to take out the kings, or Chief fricking over his own men represents how the NCR works despite not really being the NCRs doings, or how the Nipton is a “Legion” atrocity. Vault tec as a faction didnt nuke Shady, Hank did, we know this it’s spelled out to us. They also spell out the why, he even admits to it. Every other vault tec member we know is still in 31. Stop being a moron
Hank is supposed to be a true believer in the Vault-Tec meme plan.
So? That doesn’t mean the vault tec company funded or helped Hank destroy shady sands, they don’t even really exist anymore (that we know). Just because he carries the ideals doesn’t mean vault tec told him to nuke shady sands because he got blue balled
The Vault Tec meme plan is literally to destroy any competition and outlast everyone else.
oh
oh hank?
you mean the guy deep in with vault tec?
no no ignore the entire spiel about how Vault-Tec wants everybody else to be cave men clacking rocks together, and they can just sweep in and rebuild society from the ashes, right?
It was hank! a real lone wolf; I'm sure the other vault tec members would be entirely fine with there being an entire nation just sitting right next to their vault, and been totally against the excess use of nukes against the topsiders
>he carried that outlook with him
I accept your unequivocal surrender holy frick
You guys are genuine morons, just because Hank has the ideals doesn’t mean he is Vault Tec as a faction dumb fricks. What, are you going to say fricking Tabitha is the Master because he shares his ideals, or that the Remnants are the entire Enclave because they wear the armor and hate bears. Vault tec didn’t authorize or tell Hank to destroy shady sands, he decided to do that based on his ideals. You might as well say the NCR got my independent new Vegas ending because I thought wearing the ranger armor looked bad ass, guess that means I’m the NCR now.
Hank was hand-selected for the program because his ideals aligned with Vault-Tecs plan, dipshit.
Why does every event have a date and description, but the last one is just a drawing of a mushroom cloud?
Imagine if it was more of a Western with all the crazy shit toned down, just a lone wanderer with his dog and shotgun(1 shell) going from town to town, being the hero, being the villain, whatever it's an adventure.
But i guess that doesn't appeal to women and homosexuals.
Like 90% of New Vegas was dedicated to telling you the NCR was going to die soon. It's not just Todd who wants continuous resets.
For the last time, it's not that the NCR died. It's how the NCR died.
What part of "War never changes" don't you understand, dipshit?
>war, war never changes
>rich buttholes blow up the world to make more profit from smaller populations in the unlivable crater of civilization that can't scale back even if it wanted to
>yep, war never changes, war is all about shitting where you eat
The ncr only one city. One. Not even their biggest. Not even their second bigegest.
The NCR slipped in the shower, and broke its neck.
off-screen
during a filler episode