Is there a definitive way to prove if someone is undeniably good at retro games or not?
Is there a definitive way to prove if someone is undeniably good at retro games or not?
Is there a definitive way to prove if someone is undeniably good at retro games or not?
Yeah. If he bathes daily or not
if they have a huge sealed games collection
First run playthroughs
This basically. Being able to beat a hard game is one thing, being able to do it without too much trouble is another. If you can skim through say, NES games in general, with little troubles, then it is fair to say you got good at video games. After a while you start to build discipline, endurance, reflexes, and can read the game more easily. Things learnt in one game will be useful in another.
But I would say the real tests are game which are unconventional, like Street Fighter 2010.
cope
if they only use save states occasionally like when the game doesn't respect your time or is badly designed then they are good
>the game doesn't respect your time
The game is not sentient.
It doesn’t matter, play what you like
How often do you even play retro games with other people?
Yes. Film a game being produced all the way to sale and then gameplay by its first and only customer, all live, not pre-recorded.
Anything less allows for myriad of ways to cheat.
plug three fingers into your anus and jump five times then smell it, if it smells like copper then youre good at retro games
Why would you need to prove you are good at retro games though? Is this autism?
It's fun to prove one's electronic metal now and then.
I can get to level 34 of Galaga (arcade) .
So it's like a validation thing? Some strange way to prove that all that time you spent "getting good" was worth something?
To those that care, yes. Like, if I saw someone even get past stage 5 of that game, I already know they're more skilled than 50% of the population at least, and if they can get to stage 10 or beyond has more promising abilities, then 20-30 is another level, then 40+ we're talking about legitimate quick-draw material, anon.
tl;dr old video games aren't just fun, they're aptitude tests.
Aptitude for what exactly? Being good at Galaga for example is only impressive to other people who fixate on galaga. There are no transferable skills involved.
>There are no transferable skills involved.
If you say so, but there's a huge difference between someone who gets killed on stage one of any of these classics and who can make it to the later ones.
I eat food and drink clean water, I find that allows me to live.
What do you do for a living?
Holy shit you are so insecure. Just hide the thread if it makes you feel that self-conscious.
>metal
mettle is the correct word
Dahhhh. Not knowing a word my whole life makes me feel as stupid as the trolls say I am.
it's okay just play some Wordtris
the skills from the game are 100% transferable to real life
Thanks.
I forgot that existed. Guess I'll be checking out the SNES version, it's better than the others, yes?
>The point is that you can't infer general talent from gaming skills
Do you honestly believe that someone who can 1CC a Laserdisc light gun game has no other applicable skills outside of vidya?
I can't tell if this is a troll post
Never mind not having kickback, are you telling me that a quick-draw video game cannot help one hone their quick-drawing skills? This question has nothing to do with target accuracy in the real world, which is a different argument, that for reasons already stated, has limited, but not non-existent real world applications.
tl;dr the anon reading this is now reminded that the Pentagon has been working with video game companies since the 1970s to train people to fight
As far as I can tell, the US military mainly involves itself with video games as a recruitment tool, and when they train soldiers with games they're more like simulations than commercial games. If you have some info suggesting otherwise feel free to share it.
https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/video-game-training-how-do-games-compare-to-military-simulations/
>Do the same techniques in developing “fluid intelligence” with training simulations translate to commercial gaming? Today’s soldiers don’t seem to think so.
As for Battlezone, it looks like a modified version was made for the military, but it was never actually used to train soldiers.
>you've proven your point. damnit
>ok, now that the goalposts are moved, that's better
I accept your concession.
You're right. I concede that some video games could strengthen transferable skills. However, Galaga is not one of them, nor are most commercial video games.
Based enough.
>amish girls and vidya
I'm genuinely concerned now.
I think they're Mennonites; Mennies can have tech, they just have to do it together in moderation or not at all.
Nah, I live near Mennonite country and they don't tend to dress like that these days. Those are probably amish or some weird flds sect caught goofing off.
Can't say you're wrong, anon, you're probably right. I saw an Amish teenager chugging a Mountain Dew like it was crack around 15 years ago, so I believe you.
I don't know what the Amish are like because I've never really been where they're a big thing. But here most Mennonite girls dress fairly normal by today's standards. But it could be some coming home from chuch or something so it's certainly plausible thinking about it.
Either way, chicks of any persuasion digging light gun games is rad in my book
>Either way, chicks of any persuasion digging light gun games is rad in my book
It's the CRTs not getting trashed is what warms my heart.
It's CRT. it's kosher.
Christian Righteous Tube
>, but it was never actually used to train soldiers.
And you just made that up since it's well documented that they did use it. They built more than one as well. This is what happens when you didn't follow the story from the beginning and now rely on Foolgle to spoon-feed you the most shallow articles written by animate-soi.
From "Shall we play a game?: The rise of the military-entertainment complex" on Salon.com:
>while Army Battlezone (also known as Bradley Trainer) was eventually produced, the game was never used to train any actual soldiers.
I also read "Bradley Trainer: Atari’s Top Secret Military Project" on arcadeblogger.com.
This source is a little more uncertain, but still concludes the project was probably never used to train people.
>From "Shall we play a game?: The rise of the military-entertainment complex" on Salon.com:
Garbage from a garbage source.
>concludes
>probably
Whatever you think of the source, I didn't make it up. The only thing I've seen suggesting otherwise is one book excerpt in the arcadeblogger article, which is outweighed by other evidence. If you have evidence it really was used feel free to share.
Also, you can conclude that something probably happened. That's not an oxymoron.
>you can conclude that something probably happened. That's not an oxymoron
Drawing a conclusion doesn't require absolute certainty.
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/tx-court-of-appeals/1639277.html
>"the circumstances did not provide the magistrate with a substantial basis to conclude marijuana probably was in the residence"
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/pa-superior-court/1520472.html
>"a person can be found guilty of receiving stolen property simply by retaining property that a reasonable person would *conclude* is *probably* stolen."
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-11th-circuit/1148343.html
>"the trier of fact could conclude, more probably than not, that the defendant-employer took an adverse employment action against the plaintiff"
that does not speak well of you
The US Army has used vidya for training in multiple instances, and not just in limited testing.
The Multi-purpose Arcade Combat Simulator (M.A.C.S.) for the SNES was a system for diagnosing and addressing issues with rifle marksmanship in an indoor, not-gun-range setting. There was even a PAL version for overseas military bases.
Here's some good articles about them:
https://blog.pricecharting.com/2017/07/multi-purpose-arcade-combat-simulator.html
https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2020/06/29/m-a-c-s-rifles-snes-laser-m16s/
... and a video demonstrating it:
It's essentially a demilled M16, a toy or "rubber duck" M16, or something like a demilled .22 caliber M16 imitation, which has parts replaced, electronics and wiring added, then has a lightgun sensor attached to the front end. They used a little bit of whatever which was closely M16-shaped, and supposedly some versions used an air-compressor to interact with a recoil simulator which replaced the original recoil buffer.
You connect the gun to a SNES with a M.A.C.S. cartridge, which is hooked up to a CRT TV, and then you do the shooting courses.
From a videogame standpoint it's actually pretty challenging, but learning and applying actual marksmanship fundamentals will let you do better, and you actually do get a better grasp of how to aim and fire a rifle, so this thing wasn't a novelty, it really did work. These were probably not produced and employed in quite as wide a scale as maybe initially hoped, but they were around here and there, and you can find many anecdotes by people who served in the armed forces which either mention these by name, or describe them from memory.
I'd really love to have a full setup, but probably only a couple hundred units were built, and a minority of them survived, so even a decade back these were already valuable collectibles worth thousands of dollars.
That's really cool, and actually kind of similar to commercial games. Happy to admit I was wrong.
Not him, but to further this I remember one of the big selling points brought up with the older MS Flight Simulator games was that if you got so you could fly a plane competently in the game, you had the base skills to fly a real plane.
There's also a documentary out there (haven't watched it) about the kid who pretty much learned to drive playing Gran Tourismo and then went on to win some big race.
Sitting on your ass staring at a screen makes you worse at dodging things IRL, not better.
Keep telling yourself that, but you're also mistaken if you think everyone plays these games sitting down. For one, I own a Galaga cab and just stand to play it because that's how it usually was done. Maybe in the nicer pizza/bar places back in the early to mid 80s you'd have a stool to sit on, but after that most of those disappeared.
1. Most people play video games sitting. Arcade games are an exception, and few people play them nowadays.
2. Standing in place for a while staring at a screen doesn't help you dodge things IRL either.
Anyway, it's fine to be good at Galaga, and it's a fun hobby, but that's all it is.
>1. Most people play video games sitting.
For one, we're not talking about most people because we're on a niche board. And I reject the argument that most anons are playing the real classics sitting down. Not even barcades tend have a lot of stools because they get ruined, stolen, used as weapons;etc.
>2. Standing in place for a while staring at a screen doesn't help you dodge things IRL either.
For you maybe, but the boys at the Pentagon have known otherwise since Battlezone.
He's not gonna get it. It's just a bad bait
I couldn't give a fricking shit about what anyone else on the planet thinks about how I play computer games.
Hey to the homosexual talking about real life on a board dedicated to virtual experiences I AM better than you for being able to play Defender for an hour straight and NOTHING not a diploma not a wife and kids not even a top floor penthouse will change that I MOG you at arcade games.
>I AM better than you for being able to play Defender for an hour straight and NOTHING not a diploma not a wife and kids not even a top floor penthouse will change that I MOG you at arcade games.
Technically, that argument has the capacity to be truthful.
>Technically, that argument has the capacity to be truthful.
nothin technically about it
defender is fricking hard dude
most people dont last a minute
>defender is fricking hard dude
>most people dont last a minute
No lie, but someone out there has to be good at it and also have a life.
-t. does not claim to be good at Defender
>but when you delude yourself into thinking they're useful life skills it's a problem
Who the frick ever did that? You were the first one to start crying about what people do for a living.
How can you honestly sit here and feign ignorance over why someone wants to be skilled in a specific hobby? Have you never competed before in your life? You sound insanely insecure and coddled. I bet you're the same guy talk about save states and games """""respecting your time"""""
have 50 no death clears with handcam
>1cc an arcade game
>beat an NES game without cheats, turbo, or continues
Arcade games and NES games suck, though.
>Arcade games and NES games suck
No one actually believes this, nowhere in the world even.
good without save states
I think it's best by genre.
So for shumps being able to 1cc a harder genesis shooter like eliminate down, grind stormer, or KYŪKYOKU TIGER.
For action platformer I would say beating any ninja gaiden, castlevania 3, or battletoads deathless.
I'm not too well versed in rpgs, but any wizardry or 7th saga look really hard.
It's not black and white though, it really depends on the person too. Like if a grandma could beat super mario bros on nes, I would say she is pretty good.
Btw. if you go far enough in Galaga, you start to fight ships that look very much like the starship Enterprise. So much for the "they're not interesting" argument.
>I'll tell you but only on the condition that you admit you're a moron who was wrong about a simple verifiable fact and apologize to me. :^)
What fact? They built more than one and they did use it, I don't give a shit on the newly promoted sources and their odd backpeddling.
Are you ashamed of your favorite game?
Zoomers were a mistake.
The less they care about Nintendo games, the higher their skill level.
Donkey Kong 1-3 are hard as frick.
You've been arguing with people itt for like 3 hours. Whether you're serious or it's all some attempt to troll you should really stop and think about how much you could've gotten done instead of fighting for the last word on Ganker. You'll never get this time back and all it's earned you is anonymous people calling you a gay.
Man, I love me some OoT. Got the gold cart and I prefer it above all other versions.
if they can beat me or get far in the game before dying. I know a zoomer who beat mega man x in one sitting, very impressive to see dedication for one game.
Not bad. Not the hardest game ever, but it takes some time and a little bit of gitting gud.
Yes, it's called retro achievements.
Good thing the thread is specifically relating to skills in retro games, and not maintaining nuclear reactors.
Midwit.
Dimwit
How many of you have 1cc/no miss videos? Post em.
I don't think webms can be 12 gigs.
I just want to point out that yesterday while looking something up about Crystalis I saw a Reddit thread full of people talking about how hard Crystalis was and I felt amazed, because Crystalis is not hard
Crystalis is like Zelda II, right? I've played it a bit and it took a fair amount of patience, so maybe they lack it. To be fair I didn't stick with it, but I flake out with games so that's meaningless.
watch them
I feel like warp less smb or mega man 2 is a good barometer.
Are you winning, son?