Years ago I found out about those WW2 games and liked them a lot, played them for hundreds of hours but I never got into the later stages of WW2. For example, I played as Germany, built an army and all, invaded France but I never got around to invade the UK or Norway or the Soviet Union because I was at loss at what to do or build.
I tried playing them again recently but the UI is too old and the resolution doesn't keep up either so I stopped there. Is there something more modern but similar to HoI 2/Darkest Hour? Any tips to play not only as Germany but Soviet Union, Italy, the UK, France and others?
Thanks and take care.
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>Have you played HoI 4?
I did, years ago, but I find the "focus tree" concept very confusing, I just want to build troops and move them around, the events on HoI 2/DH made more sense, get to X quantity of divisions, or resources or factories then you can trigger the event.
Consider learning how to read, then promptly returning to hoi4
Hoi4 is garbage yootuber goyslop
Okay hoi3 a good game. Problem is it filters all hoi4 babies and 85% of darkest hour mouth breathers that can’t handle a 7 region Germany and a 12 province eastern front
No doubt hoi3 is better than the pigfrickery of hoi4, but dont start sucking your own wiener. Hoi3 is ridiculously easy once anyone with even a small degree of intelligence gets past the deliberate obfuscation.
You mean HoI IV
I booted this up for the first time since release and it's honestly one of the easiest "strategy" games once you define your command structure. I played as Hungary and as a member of the Axis, annexed Yugoslavia, half of Romania and puppeted Greece before initiating Barbarossa and sending my troops as far as the Volga before USSR sued for peace simply by building an armoured/cav division early and attaching it to my "Budapest HQ" command. Then you just press "blitz stance" and build whatever the HQ tells you it needs and you don't even move the troops yourself. I have no idea why this game has a reputation as being difficult
>I have no idea why this game has a reputation as being difficult
Mods and the fact that average hoi4baby/dhtard isn't capable of not getting filtered, so they assume it's impossibly hard.
It is because they play as something like USA instead and decide to have a 10th of the fun for 10x the work
The game is at its best when you are blobbing into the Balkans for the first time. All down hill from there
>this game is not hard once you know how to play it
Is water also wet?
Ah yes, here's the moronic assfrick and his useless passive aggressive comment.
Anon might be a real alien not knowing what state water is on this planet and you just called him moronic assfrick like that.
Rude, man.
funnily enough i remember the first time i ever had a hoi3 campaign that was at all a success, it was playing italy and just eating everyone in the balkans. lmao i guess it really is true.
and yes, once you get over the hump of learning what the frick everything does and you aren't braindead and design your own OOB, the sheer amount of good modifiers you will stack will have your divisions melt the AI. Especially if you are a country lots of generals with good traits like offensive doctrine and
The other early campaign I remember was playing as China and just 4xINF blockmaxxing, retaking all of China, and then crushing the Japanese. I think the casualties were like several million versus a few thousand or something lol
Hoi3 was rushed and incomplete
>defeat the SU as Germany
>uhm congrats I guess here is your reward ()
At lest in Hoi4 you can do things, even if they are dumb.
The biggest advantage of hoi4 is it was set up for multiplayer. Trying to play hoi3 multiplayer is like having your balls dipped in bleach and then massaged with a cheese grater.
As a result hoi4 proved to be an immensely popular game even though the graphics and the gameplay were obviously designed for children and the intellectually handicapped.
>I can't configure a three-setting menu
>This means the MP options are busted
No, it just means you're moronic and probably also a zoomershit.
>look at hoi3 mp
hardly ever happened
>look at hoi4 mp
fricking everywhere
No its you who is moronic, grandad. Time to empty your colostomy bag. Now be a dear and frick off.
You defeat Germany as the Soviet Union in hoi3 then you take japan and eventually the Allies, moron the game doesn’t end. You can play tfh well into the 50s.
Your mother must have shit you out of her anus, cos you are as dumb as frick. Go back to school and learn comprehension, fricking moron.
>at least in hoi4 you can do things
Points out you can “do things” in hoi3 too*
>moron
File for disability, the government will pay you to be this stupid
Shut the frick up moron
>I found the focus tree concept very confusing
How? It’s a fricking flow chart where everything is explained so morons like yourself can understand
>I find the "focus tree" concept very confusing
Really? It's one of the areas where the game is the most streamlined, and the focuses for most countries are pretty explicit on what they do and how.
I actually hate the focus system since it creates a few railroaded alternate history paths and destroys the fun of creating your own like in Vic 2, but regardless it seems deliberately crafted to be understandable.
>I actually hate the focus system since it creates a few railroaded alternate history paths and destroys the fun of creating your own like in Vic 2
This is what I meant actually, I want alternate history to develop on its own, not to be scripted by a few random events.
>I actually hate the focus system since it creates a few railroaded alternate history paths and destroys the fun of creating your own like in Vic 2
NTA you're replying to, but same, and I think unfortunately it's the future with Paradox games. With HOI4, they realized that focus trees allow them to not program an AI that can use the game's features since they can just have the AI pick shit off the focus trees and have countries function just based off the bonuses the focus trees give them. So now they're trying to port versions of focus trees to everything: EUIV got some mechanic like that, and I think Vic3 was supposed to have them too but I never see anyone discuss them.
I guess it's easier to railroad the game in a few paths and make new ones for DLC than program your game around the player's ability to change everything
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I also found the National Focus system to be kind of moronic. It's inherently limiting, creates silly asymmetries (like Hungary being better at air warfare than Germany for no reason, stuff like that), and is silliness. Since when can a country only focus on one thing for ~2 months? Worst of all, it creates a natural meta. There is an order of national focuses that is, essentially, the objective best.
All that being said, it was still an improvement over the decision/event system that DH was using. Running the entire war through decisions/events was always like walking a tightrope and it wasn't any less railroaded than the National Focus system.
My main issues with NFs is:
>decisions/events are still needed, even if reduced to more manageable levels
>another menu to micro-manage while you are busy trying to fricking invade Saipan or something
>broken trees can spoil the game quite easily if you use ahistorical
>no ability to split focus or "hoard" focus, must be done in a linear way and the same for all nations at all times
Not really sure how it can be improved, though.
I hate the national focus system in HoI4 and think it is incredibly dumb. You pointed out a few of the reasons, but really the main issues for me are the following:
>1. Choose Your Own Adventure Alt History Memery is fricking moronic and shouldn't be in the game PERIOD and the Focus Tree really enables that
>2. It is incredibly anti-fun to try to play a new country and have to read through about 50 focus tree badges to figure out what the 'optimal' path is
>3. It promotes un-fun metagaming where you delay focuses to line up timing with research finishes, etc. when you should just be playing the game
>4. It makes in-game events happen due to Choose-Your-Own-Adventure rather than by interestingly acting within the systems of the game organically. Example: In HoI3 Anschluss happens when you use Espionage to promote the Nazi party in Austria and get their support above a certain threshold
>5. There are simply too many of them in the current design, so it is just constantly dealing with it
>6. Other systems get built around the stupid focus tree which promotes even more brain-dead clickfest metagaming nonsense, the USSR paranoia/purge system is the prime example of anti-fun bullshit clogging up the game
In my opinion the 2 ways to 'fix' the focus tree concept is (And I think probably a combo of the two)
1. Do away with it entirely in favor of Decisions only, like HoI3 (And OFC try to improve on the number and clarity of the Decisions);
2. Greatly simplify focus trees to only reflect large and meaningful choices. No bullshit "70 days for 2 factories." I am thinking literally one year focuses with big impacts. As Germany 1936 you can prioritize the Wehrmacht or the Kriegsmarine or the Luftwaffe. One of three bonuses. It takes 365 days. Simple. Clear. Trade-offs.
>I am thinking literally one year focuses with big impacts
Sounds like the BICE decisions from hoi3.
the problem with the focus tree no one really seems to mention is that it cucks games over so fricking hard
example
The USSR successfully helps spain win the civil war they are now communist.
The communist spanish tree has them declare war on portugual even if they are currently fending off the germans for no reason other than its in their focus tree and they might either join the allies or axis and completely frick spain since they now have to fight a 2 front war and if by some chance they join the allies the entirety of the allies is now called into a war against spain and the USSR in the middle of WW2 for no reason other than portugual was in the allies faction regardless of the fact they are currently fighting alongside the USSR against germany and japan.
kek
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>liked them a lot, played them for hundreds of hours but I never got into the later stages of WW2.
This is either a bait thread or you are such a fricking idiot that no one can help you
It's not bait. Every time I just restarted again or tried different mods or scenarios.
Anon, pay no attention to these heartless trolls disrespecting you. The fact that you are indeed a fricking idiot should not stop you in your pursuit of becoming an even bigger fricking idiot. God speed Anon!
Honestly if you cant handle HoI 2 theres no hope for you. Personally i recommend Arsenal of Democracy, another fan-made standalone game, that is actually still being updated, over Vanilla or Darkest Hour.
play as smaller nations to get used to the game first
For example?
Definitely a bait thread.
Well you got your (yous), including mine. Here's a thousand Internets. Spend them on a digital dildo and go frick yourself silly.
As for the rest of us, knowing that this thread will never naturally die, the best thing we can do is discuss why hoi2 and hoi4 players are mentally moronic and how they should all be sterilized for the sake of Humanity
Take your medicine and get the frick out of /vst/
Agreed. Either that or OP is so dumb he wouldn't know which hole to jam the dildo into ( he probably would alternate between all holes )
I would say hoi2/4 players are stupid because their mothers smoked a lot of crack. I think the best way to deal with the problem is to put them all on a deserted desert island and nuke the place. Its the only way to be sure.
Why are you making a thread when you could google it?
hoi4 appeals to the lowest denominator of the Paracuck audience. Best to go back to hex and counters. They slurp it up and their visual novel focus trees.
hoi4 players are not only cum dribbling dog frickers but are also incapable of dressing themselves.
>All this made up bullshit to mask that OP is a HoI4 zoomer that got filtered by graphics
What made up bullshit? I come here to make one thread and get recs and advice and you come only to shit up the thread?
>I came here to whine about being filtered by HoI2/DH out of all games
ftfy
best mod for DH?
MDS2 if you can find it anywhere anymore.
Oh wow! Look! Its the monthly HOI thread. With the usual bunch of trolls, douche bags, and losers all shitting on each other! Wait, I will go grab some pop corn.
hey guys, the troony arrived!
*munches popcorn*
Keep going.
>HOI thread
>With the usual bunch of trolls, douche bags, and losers all shitting
You are thinking of the Vic3 thread m8
Wrong. There is no poo poster here.
Indians don't browse Ganker at all lmao
Indians comprise at least 90% of Ganker. Haven't you noticed most posts are shit posts?
Indians have their own giant Internet, why would they come all the way to here.
>Indians have their own giant Internet, why would they come all the way to here.
Because its designated.
moron
OMG! This thread nearly died! Quick! Someone make a comment about early Sealion so the spastic shows up and makes half a dozen moronic comments in a row!
Schizo, take your meds.
Roflmao! You spastic, you took the bait! Again! You are indeed a very moronic spastic! lololol!
But MISSION ACCOMPLISHED. This worthy thread has been bumped.
Decisive Campaigns
darkest hour mod for hoi4
Holy shieeeet I love Darkness Hour! My favorite paradox game ever! I have watched at least 50 complete walkthroughs! Its true when everyone says its the best I just kinda wished I understood what was going on hahahah
Sometime late at night I will play organs of darkmeat on my lap top in bed. I can watch bombs go "BOOM!" and shit happens and machine guns go "BRRRRRR!" and stuff and watch things like subs going "PINNNNNNG!" and planes and things and tanks and stuff! I jeerk off to it. But one time I cum onto laptop and now it not work sad face jpeg lololol
>Any tips to play not only as Germany but Soviet Union, Italy, the UK, France and others
With Germany focus on your motorized, mechanized and armored tech. You generally don't need to build regular infantry since every scenario except 1933 starts with a decent amount and you'll always get more from the anschluss. It's better to research units first and doctrines as late as possible since the latter takes effect immediately while the former requires time to upgrade. Add an HQ with a highly promoted offensive general to a least every other province of your frontline and you will always win battles (this works with every country). Also you can cheese sealion very easily by landing a paratrooper in Hull, which is usually undefended due to no beachhead, and then funneling a huge number of troops there via transports. This will save you a lot on the navy investment. You also start with a paratrooper division in the 1939 and 1940 scenarios IIRC.
>Soviet Union
Build tons of militia (3 units + 1 artillery brigade) and set them all to upgrade to infantry, tedious but worth it. You can use this same trick as any country to field a massive and capable army very quickly. It's particularly useful as the Soviets considering their manpower advantage. If you have time, abandon the Soviet doctrine and switch to spearhead.
>Italy
Don't take the decision to reform the army, this will permanently handicap a lot of your units. Instead, use the manpower trick above and focus on securing the middle east before going south through Africa.
>UK
Learn how navies work. Heavy ships only work when they are guarded by an equal or greater number of light ships. Since the highest number of ships a commander can manage is 30, the ideal composition is 15 heavy and 15 light ships in a fleet. I reccomend pulling all of your ships back to Britain at the start of the game and reorganizing them into these types of fleets, moving them around the map as needed.
>France
Pick another country.
When playing any of the minor nations (Romania, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Canada, Finland, etc.) don't bother investing in fancy tech like mechanized units, heavy ships, or specialized aircraft. Just churn out armies of 3 infantry + 1 artillery brigade and place at least one of these in every frontline province. Use some HQs on your spearheads and you will punch well above your weight.
If you can afford it, mechanized/armored + self propelled artillery brigade is the best unit type in the game. An army full of these is basically unstoppable, but is only realistic for majors. Mechanized requires 1942 motorized first so dedicate a research spot to rushing that from the beginning if you want the advantage later.
Thanks for this, you win the Internets.
One last question tho, is there any way to make the UI bigger? This is the thing that breaks DH for me, I just want everything bigger so I don't have to give up after an hour because my eyes can't keep up.
Your resolution is probably too high
Problem is, when I lower the resolution, all of it gets blurry so I can't even see what I am doing.
Just wear glasses bro, lololololol
I already wear glasses.
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No way currently to improve the resolution. Sorry bro
as someone who started with hoi4, got bored because its too easy, then got into hoi3, then feel like that game also feels a little 'solved' for me, is darkest hour worth checking out?
It's simpler than hoi3 but it's great.
ill check it out one of these days i always meant to. i have a high tolerance for old-ass pc games because that's what i grew up on but darkest hour is looking pretty borderline lol, but people seem to love it. what do you like so much about it versus hoi3 / hoi4?
i got too good at hoi3 and it bores me a bit now lol. really it is a problem with any strategy game particularly GSG's. you play them enough and you figure out 'how things really work' and then you just steamroll the AI with too much ease that even playing minor countries etc. loses its challenge.
first time winning operation barbarossa as germany and then as the soviets was huge though, great gaming memories lol.
What do you mean by 'solved'?
No, its just much of the same as you experienced. The only way for you to go now would be games by Gary Grigsby, War in the East etc. And honestly those aren't any better, just more micro heavy. At this point you have exhausted everything computer grand strategy and war gaming can offer you, the core issue being that AI in these games is just not up to scratch. Your only realistic option for continuing is multi player and that comes with its own host of issues. But if you can find reliable and mature online players it can be way more rewarding than any game against an AI. The biggest issue is finding those sorts of players who want to play at the same level of intensity as you do, once a day gamers as opposed to once a week.
>Gary Grigsby, War in the East
Only ultra autists play these.
I dont get why WitE gets this reputation. Its not that hard. Its just got a lot of units to move, this just makes it time consuming. But the real downer is the AI is just totally useless. Say you play as the Russians on your very first campaign, you will be able to pick off panzer divisions here and here, make a couple of small encirclements, and then snow ball your way to Berlin by mid 1942. But it took you 40 hours to do so rather than playing a different game where you can pull of the same implausible bullshit in 5 hours.
Skill issue
We almost got an official HOI3 cold war game before it was canceled, but I heard that game is now open source and people can download it for free I don't know if that's true.
Name of the game?
It's not open source and it's dead