Force them to take a defensive line or they get overtaken. Often the sheer pressure of having someone on your ass while you're trying to nail turns is enough to cause mistakes. It's a very demanding sport every little thing you do counts.
By existing.
If you're at the apex, it doesn't matter how fricking slow you're going, he has to go around you, and that's slower.
Interdasting, unironically cool. This is new to me.
yes, also none of those lines are optimal because they're not trailbraking lines
Thanks anon.
I take in in muh racers like gran turismo on my psp, to trail brake, ill have to continuously tap break since buttons dont have much of a pressure sense.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Gran Turismo isn't much of a sim, so it won't really make any impact.
Force them to take a defensive line or they get overtaken. Often the sheer pressure of having someone on your ass while you're trying to nail turns is enough to cause mistakes. It's a very demanding sport every little thing you do counts.
By taking up as much room on the road as possible, avoiding drafts and just generally being an absolute piece of shit on the track. Hamilton does this and look at him.
Trailbraking is only relevant in soulless racing cars where you have downforce for days and don't need to move weight to the front for a sharper turning radius.
no car can turn super sharply at high speeds due to momentum and physical limitations. so you need to find angles where you can start turning and still make it without crashing. this applies irl aswell - the faster you go, the more difficult it is to turn your car in a bent road
ill have to check it out and hope i catch the thread, thank you
2 years ago
Anonymous
I haven't played on this Ganker but other altboards but no matter the company srbkart 2 is super fun, and that goes doubly so with anons. I would recommend hopping in when you can.
2 years ago
Anonymous
is there a guide or website i can follow?
2 years ago
Anonymous
this
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2 years ago
Anonymous
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2 years ago
Anonymous
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Toyota loses the lead on the last lap, 24 Hours of Le Mans 2014
Verstappen takes the lead on the last lap, Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix 2021
Audi wins the 2022 Nurburgring 24h by less than ONE MINUTE over Mercedes
Team Corvette and Flying Lizard Porsche swap first place about a dozen times in the last two laps, ALMS Laguna Seca 2009
2 years ago
Anonymous
Give me eight races in the last decade that prove your point.
Absolutely bodied
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Verstappen takes the lead on the last lap, Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix 2021
Slightly intellectually dishonest there...
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's factually true, even if you don't like the circumstances surrounding it.
Literally last weekend's F1 race at silverstone, there were like 20 overtakes in the last 2 laps.
Also >Put on a massive fricking, million-dollar event for hundreds of thousands of people >bring in all 10 teams, who have to transport the racers, the crews, their cars and all of their equipment acrossed the world to get there >people taking the day off of work, driving across the country to see it >race for 5 minutes and then wrap it up
Some of the Aussie stock car races are like that, six laps or so up and down Mt. Panorama and it's done, but they usually have several classes and types of racing going on the same day so everyone shows up and just stays for the day.
I mean obviously there are shorter races. But if you're talking about F1 or Nascar, those are pinnacle races are surrounded by ~week-long festivals and viewership around the world, millions of dollars spent by each team every single race. That shit isn't going to be 5 laps lol
2 years ago
Anonymous
Also if you want to see shorter F1 races they literally just had one today.
Part of racing is also a longevity test. The peak of this is the 24 hour races, but even F1 races going 300+ km at maximum speed is a massive test of the team's ability to build and maintain a car capable of doing it without breaking down. Even in spec series, the team is still responsible for maintaining the car, making sure the engine doesn't blow up, and that's without getting into pit stops for changing tires and refuelling. High level motorsports is a team event, and the manufacturing crew and pit crew are just as important as the drivers themselves.
i am thoroughly enjoying GT7. except for Mid engine and Rear engine cars, what the frick. I know they're supposed to have lift-off oversteer but this is excessive sometimes
>in order to enjoy daydrinking,
The infield at nascar races is redneck woodstock. It is a level of excess and debauchery that would make a norf FC hooligan blush.
And even shit like 'Dega is a poor imitation of things like the kentucky derby (best captured by a Hunter S. Thompson article "The Kentucky Derby is Decadent and Depraved")
I don't get why they don't enjoy drinking on a forest rally this much. you'd think rednecks would immediately jump on the idea of getting hammered innawoods
2 years ago
Anonymous
This webm bothers me, because if the creator had let it run a half second longer it would loop perfectly.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I need to search for the replay file and re-do it anyway, because the old particles look kinda whack
2 years ago
Anonymous
The carboard cutout audience doesnt bother you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
you really don't notice ingame. the focus is on not dying
2 years ago
Anonymous
ok, maybe this guy should've been 3D considering the position
2 years ago
Anonymous
Shit I thought this was real life for the first 4 seconds. >Captcha: KKKRV
2 years ago
Anonymous
fooled by a 15yr old directx9 game
2 years ago
Anonymous
rbr was so good, but how long we've waited for custom stages it's unreal
2 years ago
Anonymous
>was
still is. and with the current momentum in the modding community surrounding FMOD integration, RSF and the blender plugin it's only going to get better
I want a rally game that forces you to play from these angles
2 years ago
Anonymous
oh god
2 years ago
Anonymous
The last time they did that, Prohibition was enacted.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You have to actually drive out to a forest, and there's no beer on tap or constant stream of hotdogs.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>not bringing your own beer AND hotdogs
I'm ashamed of my fellow Americans.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you'd think rednecks would immediately jump on the idea of getting hammered innawoods
That's called hunting and fishing, which has always been code word for Day drinking in a blind/on a boat.
Also there is rally in the US and shit like Baja which goes through mexico and southern California.
Nascar is just the biggest one, and it's literally what happened when prohibition was lifted and all the bootleggers and rum runners had to figure out something else they could use their fast ass cars for.
And honestly my favorite kind of race to watch is open body late model dirt tracks. Lots of wrecks and fighting through the corners. A lot of people invested in the races, so things get heated in the crowd.
only way i can enjoy NASCAR is in boardgame form, because then it's an actually interesting and engaging battle of positioning, fancy maneuvers, and squeezing out the most points from good placements instead of going all-in on the first place. Thunder Alley was so good that now i'm considering hosting more racing board games for the Tabletop Sim Gankereekend and on the /vm/ thread, but finding good ones is difficult
>Watch NASCAR with family as a kid >holy shit this sucks >think racing sucks for like 20 years >Catch 1 F1 race a roommate was watching >holy shit this is fricking awesome
NASCAR sucks shit, but it's probably pretty cool live
I don't know, I'm EU but have never even watched NASCAR live but I feel strangely compelled towards NASCAR vidya. However, there aren't any new games. I played Nascar Thunder 2004 which is supposed to have a great career mode but the controls are so tweaky it's a pain to drive etc.
As a real event NASCAR is more about gathering with friends and family and drinking Coors Light.
The racing line is important in literally every racing game other than kart racers, and even there you're still likely finding the shortest line just with your game of choice's turn-induced turbo boosts. F-Zero has a section on it in the fricking manual, even. It isn't just Gran Turismo that teaches it.
>tfw you can always find the tighter more aggressive line
There's a lot you can teach, but a lot of it is gut instinct. Especially if you're talking about IRL where you're flying by the seat of your pants. Which is to say you feel the acceleration curves and power to weight ratio and you're reacting to things faster than you can think about them. You can plan it out while you're going into a turn, but once you're into it you're surfing on physics and vectors and goosing the gas and throttle to keep yourself in that cut.
>nitriding harmless cellulose makes violently explosive nitrocellulose >nitriding harmless glycerine makes violently explosive nitroglycerine >methane already violently explodes >LET'S NITRIDE THAT SHIT AND GET NITROMETHANE
And that's not even the maddest part. Back in the day madmen mixed hydrazine into it. Hydrazine. Like, literal rocket fuel, and not the nice kind, the kind that leaves a nasty orange trail behind it. Extremely volatile, extremely toxic both before and after combustion and extremely explosive shit, pumped straight into the cylinders because frick it, the 60s will only happen once.
My dad used to work for Schumacher battery and always got the top tier access passes to the NHRA events.
Your hearing will be permanently damaged, and you wont shit right for days because your internal organs get scrambled from the roar of the engines that has a sympathetic resonance with the Y chromosome.
>your internal organs get scrambled from the roar of the engines that has a sympathetic resonance with the Y chromosome.
If it's resonating your chromosomes then its turning your flesh to liquidified paste.
> you wont shit right for days because your internal organs get scrambled from the roar of the engines that has a sympathetic resonance with the Y chromosome.
oh yeah, it's definitely not from drinking like the prohibition just ended and eating 3 days old hawtdogs
The pressure waves from the engines cause cavitation in your body.
Just like going to a concert and spending too much time in front of a stack.
The next day you feel like you got hit by a truck because of sustained hydrostatic shock.
I want a racing sim setup, but shit's too expensive. I wish I could make one myself for like $300, the good wheels alone are $500+, never mind pedals and stickshifts...
there are sim racing boomers who claim they can't drive well unless they have five displays, direct drive wheel, and full hydraulics simulation with twenty independent pressure sensors in their brake cell system, and then there are people who would shit all over them in any race in any sim while using stock e-girltech g27. it's your choice which route do you want to take, but i strongly recommend not being a sim boomer.
g27/g29 is a bit dated design (though perfectly usable), so you might want to spend your hard-earned $300 you've mentioned on used thrustmaster t300 instead. for a cheapo h-shifer, you can get just g27 shifter off some ebay and then buy a controller that translates it into a separate USB shifter here:
https://www.ricmotech.com/leo-bodnar-usb-adapter-logitech-shifter
What about the G923? Can you feel the difference between that one and the old ones? (Also I'd much rather buy new, don't want to be handling a wheel previously touched by some greasy frick) Exactly a year ago I was going to buy the 923 for like $200 new but I thought "If that's the price now then shit's gonna be super cheap on black friday" so I waited and then they proceeded to raise the price to almost $400, it was fricking vile.
G923 is literally the same internally as the G27, which was practically identical to the G25. T300 is the sensible choice these days, frick gears, and frick Logitech in general for being lazy c**ts.
i had a G25 and i moved onto a T300RS. The thrustmaster WAS kind of nice, but they use the cheapest chinese PCBs that blow after two years. Thing was stuck in PS4 mode so my PC refused to recognize it. I bought a new one from walshart, swapped the internals, and returned it. Then i bought a DD GT from fanatec, and while it's nice, Fanatec is a shit company that needs competition.
do yourself a favor and dont buy any logitech wheels
they are all gear driven which means that they have a tiny dead zone in the middle, are slower than belt driven/direct drive wheels and will rattle super loud during high ffb
save up for a t300 if youre serious about getting into simracing
From what i see, g923 is pretty much same thing as g29/g27 inside (the only difference between g27 and g29 is different encoder afaik, it was weakest point of g27), meaning FFB will be just as shitty. It's a wheel, it'll let you vroom around in cars, but you didn't miss on any good deal here, this g27/g29/g923 is the least appealing option of all of them.
AC2 will wind up being shit. Those morons can't code, and the things people actually want, like being able to use whatever car they want on whatever online map they want, will never happen.
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I built my own sim boomer setup for 700 bucks or so after finding a good deal on a DD wheel, it's so much nicer than my old DFGT. Load cell pedals are great, but you have to build them yourself because nobody sells them for a sensible price. As for the shifter, make an adapter yourself with an arduino, only costs 5 bucks. I'm still using my G25 one.
Yea, good setup is absolutely nice and worth it, I just wanted to say that if anon is wrong about thinking he needs $500 pedals just to drive around.
all the logitech wheels are basically identical. only difference was when they switched the wheel angle sensor from optical disc to hall sensor. that was g27->g29
logitech has been releasing the exact same product with slightly tweaked firmware (while retaining the same glaring flaws such as center FFB deadzone) for over a decade at the same price
I spent the past 10+ years making do with a G25 clamped to a desk, then a T500RS with Playseat Challenge. I just bought myself a massive upgrade in the form of an extruded aluminium wienerpit (like pic related), 38" ultrawide monitor, direct drive wheel and load cell pedals. Sure, it's pointless, expensive and doesn't make you any faster, but being a boomer is fricking sweet.
Space is a bit limited, ultrawide is admittedly a compromise over triple screens, but gets the job done. Head tracking also helps to some extent. I have VR, but it's an even bigger meme and not really practical for various reasons.
I made my own "sim station" with a $30 plastic garage shelf in front of my TV. What's nice about it is that the FFB vibrates the entire thing, so I kind of get a similar effect to the more expensive kits people buy to simulate the vibrations from the car.
Why the frick is everyone getting so close to him. Call him a Black person all you want those fricking pricks have suicidal tendencies. Never once does he initiate aggressive contact, he is taking the line and they are diving into him. Imagine being racist because you cant drive.
>Crashmilton once again causing corner contact because he doesn't aim for the apex properly
He's the only driver where this happens at least three times every season, and he's the one on the inside every time.
>Crashmilton once again causing corner contact because he doesn't aim for the apex properly
He's the only driver where this happens at least three times every season, and he's the one on the inside every time.
He's the cleanest and fairest racer on the grid.
My F1 knowledge is limited but why do people shit on this guy? I like his Mercedes, the black-turquoise aesthetic is cool. What's wrong with this nig?
There's a lot of energy at those speeds.
>See yellow helmet scraping on the floor >A second later it's not there anymore
Did I just watch a man get beheaded in a blue board?
He's incredibly overrated. He's a good driver that's largely been carried by being on the best team and having the best car. He does a ton of shit (like hitting people in that webm) that other people would get penalized for but he keeps getting away with it because the FIA loves their only black driver.
He's also a tremendous crybaby. He constantly calls anyone doing better than him "dangerous" and blames every single thing that doesn't go his way on every one else.
You were given a webm example of why nobody outside of the UK likes Hamilton, and even some people in the UK are sick of the native narrator bias where a major crash can be happening and they're instead talking about how SIR Lewis Hamilton is talking on the radio about his balls itching.
>He does a ton of shit (like hitting people in that webm) >You were given a webm example of why nobody outside of the UK likes Hamilton
Is that not common? Your average nonF1gay would assume everything in that webm is normal given how fragile F1 cars are and how fast the motherfrickers go (Yes I know they're designed to disintegrate on purpose) Meanwhile NASCARChads do pic related and get fixed with fricking HAMMERS.
>Highly successful >Black
you do the math
Racism doesn't exist in current year outside of Ganker, it has become just a get out of jail for free card. Frick off.
>Does the fragility of the cars NOT immediately tell you "hey most drivers tend to avoid contact at all times"?
Yes, but it also tells me "accidents must be way more common than other racing categories"
I was memeing about the black part, but yea people tend not to like domination in a sport.
About the hitting people part, people get aggressive when they have something to lose, back in the day even Schumacher would purposely crash into his rival cause he'd rather destroy both cars than let em through
And Schumacher was heavily penalized and they re-wrote the rules to stop it from happening more. But for Hamilton it's just chalked up to him being an "aggressive driver". The bias is obvious.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>But for Hamilton it's just chalked up to him being an "aggressive driver".
Well yeah he's an aggressive driver, he's a Black person
You were given a webm example of why nobody outside of the UK likes Hamilton, and even some people in the UK are sick of the native narrator bias where a major crash can be happening and they're instead talking about how SIR Lewis Hamilton is talking on the radio about his balls itching.
>What's wrong with this nig?
Born with a silver spoon in his mouth but acts like he was poor. He's a competent driver, for sure, but after years of dominance purely because he had the better fricking car every year, everyone is sick to death of him.
Im a racing brainlet, but im going take a guess what hes doing
Leclerc is on the outside and making a classic turn which is why hes pulling ahead
Hamilton is slightly in the middle so hes going slightly slower, but just fast enough to be at(apex?) Where leclerc is about to take the corner to block.
Thats ny understanding. Cool strategy
It's Max vs Hamilton. Hamilton refuses to back out of the corner despite the fact he HAS to decelerate to even make the turn, which results in him going far too wide and sweeping Max's back wheel.
Im sorry what was that? I can't hear you over your screams, roaring engine, screeching tires, and crashing metal. Oh it appears you are busy having highspeed crash, well I'll leave you to it. I have a race to win.
The truth is, every F1 driver is a rich family's kid because starting young etc costs a shit ton of money and it won't even necessarily pay off in the end.
Reason 1: because he was the reigning champ for 7 years straight and hardly ever lost, and made the races boring to watch.
Reason 2: because he races dirty and bends the rules and cries to the officials a lot. Which everyone does it but it's irritating coming from the guy who never loses.
Reason 3: he's a vegan ponce who has a set of opinions seemingly specifically designed to piss as many people off as possible
That shit is kindof changing now though that mercedes doesn't have a decided advantage over everyone else. But those were 7 long years, and he's still *that homie*.
Im a racing brainlet, but im going take a guess what hes doing
Leclerc is on the outside and making a classic turn which is why hes pulling ahead
Hamilton is slightly in the middle so hes going slightly slower, but just fast enough to be at(apex?) Where leclerc is about to take the corner to block.
The important thing it's demonstrating is how last year Hamilton caused a crash with Verstappen and claimed that "Max left me no room". But this year he was in the exact same position with Leclerc and magically he now has more than enough room to not cause an accident.
Hamilton took a deliberately wide line compared to his past white one with the intention of causing contact and a spin. Beyond being an absolute homosexual move it's also incredibly dangerous.
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My F1 knowledge is limited but why do people shit on this guy? I like his Mercedes, the black-turquoise aesthetic is cool. What's wrong with this nig?
[...] >See yellow helmet scraping on the floor >A second later it's not there anymore
Did I just watch a man get beheaded in a blue board?
Hamilton has a bad habit of driving dirty and causing crashes which he also barely if ever faces a serious reprimand for. It's also largely completely unnecessary because his team, Mercedes, pour so much fricking money into the sport that their cars are basically UFOs compared to every other team who has a much smaller budget.
To be fair, that's comparing lap 1 to lap 50. The difference in terms of fuel is pretty big. That said, he absolutely had enough room on the inside, he went wide to try and push Max off without realising he was in his blindspot and acting like a Black person.
If you are ahead and/or are on the proper racing line then the obligation to slow down is on the other car. This is to prevent people just dive bombing corners.
>But it wouldnt have happened if the other guy slowed down.
He was leading into the corner, he had no obligation to. As long as he left enough room on the inside for Hamilton to drive, he was completely in the right. Hamilton took up far too much road and failed to stick to his inside line.
For saftey.
My understanding is youre supposed to cause your opponent to make decisions where they have to maintain speed and not wipe out.
Hamilton blocked him.
Why would you not want to force your opponent to slow down by forcing them to move the way you want them to?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because the rules say you cannot drive in an unsafe manner and try to intentionally cause crashes, which is what you're proposing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Ok, fair. I did not know that.
I am literally a brainlet when it comes to real racing
2 years ago
Anonymous
There's a lot of rules when it comes to shit like this. Like if you're on a straight, you have to stay on your line. If the guy behind you gets a better exit out of the corner and starts gaining on you, you can't move inside to try and block him like a Black person and force him wide, you have to leave him room to pass.
2 years ago
Anonymous
To be technical, you're allowed to move once to block. If you move again it's considered weaving and against the rules.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>slow down or I will drive into you, despite having ample of space on the inside to not drive into you
2 years ago
Anonymous
yeah, why not?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Because that's how people die, and the sport is not about killing your competition, it's about beating them in a race.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Hamilton's law of physics.
For saftey.
My understanding is youre supposed to cause your opponent to make decisions where they have to maintain speed and not wipe out.
Hamilton blocked him.
Why would you not want to force your opponent to slow down by forcing them to move the way you want them to?
Are you stupid? That is highly illegal.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you cant just do what you want on a race track btw, this isnt a PS2 game where you corner by slamming into the cars and then using the slowdown to do the corner
if you are leading, the guy behind has to follow your lead and manouver around. while cornering side by side, the car behind will sometimes 'be in front' of the original leading car, but by the time the corner straightens out the original positions will happen again, so if the car behind doesnt pay attention or move out the way, they will end up hitting the lead car and it will be the behind cars fault
2 years ago
Anonymous
Rules state otherwise. Driver with the optimal racing line and the fastest speed is given priority, everybody else has to drive around him. Hamilton was slower and had the piss weak interior racing line, him corner bombing leads to the exact shit you see where he just taps other cars out of the race completely, and he gets away with it because the FIA can't penalise the one black guy on the track for fear of being called racist.
There's a lot of rules when it comes to shit like this. Like if you're on a straight, you have to stay on your line. If the guy behind you gets a better exit out of the corner and starts gaining on you, you can't move inside to try and block him like a Black person and force him wide, you have to leave him room to pass.
Alright, thanks for clearing things up. Im honestly curious.
>slow down or I will drive into you, despite having ample of space on the inside to not drive into you
Yeah, im going off video game logic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Rules state otherwise. Driver with the optimal racing line and the fastest speed is given priority, everybody else has to drive around him. Hamilton was slower and had the piss weak interior racing line, him corner bombing leads to the exact shit you see where he just taps other cars out of the race completely, and he gets away with it because the FIA can't penalise the one black guy on the track for fear of being called racist.
2 years ago
Anonymous
They did penalize him, it's just that it was a token >10 second time penalty
slap on the wrist, which really did nothing when he has the fastest car and just rammed his main rival in the wall.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Kinda what I mean, he's never hit with a "give the fricking position back." He's always given some worthless time penalty.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Can't really give the position back to someone you put in the wall. I would given him a flat three place grid penalty, so that no matter how well he did he wouldn't get to stand on the podium.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>ram opponent into a DNF >position gets removed >thus no position to give back in the first place
hamiltonian mechanics
2 years ago
Anonymous
>10 second penalty for ensuring your main rival gets zero points that race when he would've almost certainly got a podium
Makes perfect sense.
Too much. >tires material thickness surface >temperature of the weather >humidity >axle flywheel and transmission efficiency and speed >aero shape of the car >downforces >suspension size, height stiffness >brake strength front brakes vs rear brake ratios
Pretty much racing is magic. Quantum math.
I hate that most racing games or really, almost all of them dont have proper damage models letting players bump each other and ride wall with no consequences when in reality they would be flying off and retiring
Blame car manufacturers, or any manufacturer involved in these sorts of games. They don't want their cars beaten up to within specific parameters. Doors can't come off or open, glass can't go beyond being cracked etc. because it would imply the passenger compartment is unsafe.
I can't wait until AI is better. Those GT competitions against Sophy where it was just abusing the shit out of track limits and shitting on the humans was neat as hell, shame it takes it days to learn a track with one car.
You're going to have to take the turn slower and you won't be able to get on the throttle again as soon, so you will not only be slower through it but you'll be slower coming out of it.
Seems like priority is accelerating out of the curve
If there is a straight at the end of that orange is gonna be ahead
If there's another turn coming up then yeah but if its just that turn into a straightaway then you're losing acceleration time correcting away from the wall.
Best channel to get into racing sims, or a guide? Closest I’ve played has been GT Sport, and Ridge Racer 7 for time.
Honestly, it's pretty easy. Brake as late as possible, use all the road, maintain grip and carry as much speed as you can through each corner, while getting on the throttle as early as possible.
Ultimately, knowing what to do is trivial, but actually getting it down every corner is what's rough. Only thing you can do is practice more.
If there's another turn coming up then yeah but if its just that turn into a straightaway then you're losing acceleration time correcting away from the wall.
If your slow point is early in the second turn you actually make time with your entry speed to the first turn since exit speed from the first turn means frick all, you just have to make the turn in point at the direction change.
Merc's car isn't slow at all, Hamilton is still putting in competitive qualifying times and has hit podium more than once. Its technical problems do not outrival Ferrari's which has to DNF a few times now due to fricked engine batteries.
I've been watching F1 for like 7 years and this was the coolest shit I have ever seen. The only shot they showed of it on tv during the first hour was when it was "live", and you could just see this motherfricker getting anime'd in the background at 120mph.
One of my favorite things about the horizon games is that it's so arcadey that pinballing through some corners is the optimal path.
It's bullshit for simulation, but feels like making a trick shot in pool. >Off the subaru, bank off the far bumper, escort into the corner pocket, over the finish line in an out of control tumble
I really wish someone would bring back the classic burnout games.
they already watered down group B to even make them driveable on controller.
for starters, these old cars didn't have a fly-off handbrake. their all-wheel-drive was rigidly connected with the wheels, so there was no way to only brake/lock the rear tires like in modern R5/WRC
Yes, your line depends a lot on your opponents since you need to make a line that's both optimal in speed and takes your opponent out of the race, giving you a takedown and a bunch of boost you can use.
For me, it’s stadium super trucks and sprint cars. My dad had his own sprint car team and drove but stopped because of one too many crashes when I was a baby, mom made him stop. Always wished I had gotten into racing.
>Be legendary driver of one of the most dangerous racing categories in the world >Become potato moron while skiing on vacation
Never trust snow sports.
If you want to know what it's like to be hecking epic for the win as a transbian quadriplegic, it's the only series that offers that. If you're sane, nah, not really.
Motorsport? Yeah. It's more of what you already like and there's a few races that AREN'T fricking GT3. I'm not saying you have to drop everything and get it NOW NOW NOW, but you'll have fun if you do.
Boreizon? Nope. It's a frickawful arcade sim with god awful force feedback, shit tracks, terrible racing, terrible rubber banding, just plain awful, and this coming from someone who LIKES arcade racers like WMMT and burnout.
>Play Forza Horizon (shut up) >First game ever where I play with manual transmission, clutch, no assists >Can never play Mario Kart again because just holding A is boring
That's really more the fault of Mario Kart than anything else. I can still have a lot of fun in Ridge Racer, because that game is just well designed. Mario Kart is for moronic 5 year olds who need items to win.
Nothing beats the feeling of just fitting through a gap between a couple of cars while the guy behind you fricks it up and crashes, or hitting a corner on the perfect line and watching the delta bar go green as you gain a whole tenth of a second. I find cars boring as shit, but there's a lot of charm in testing the limits of a machine as it rockets around at a pace that isn't sensible.
Sim racing is just about the only thing I play these days, but it never gets any love on Ganker. Who looking forward to AC2? Will they frick it up and break mod support?
AC2 will wind up being shit. Those morons can't code, and the things people actually want, like being able to use whatever car they want on whatever online map they want, will never happen.
there are sim racing boomers who claim they can't drive well unless they have five displays, direct drive wheel, and full hydraulics simulation with twenty independent pressure sensors in their brake cell system, and then there are people who would shit all over them in any race in any sim while using stock e-girltech g27. it's your choice which route do you want to take, but i strongly recommend not being a sim boomer.
g27/g29 is a bit dated design (though perfectly usable), so you might want to spend your hard-earned $300 you've mentioned on used thrustmaster t300 instead. for a cheapo h-shifer, you can get just g27 shifter off some ebay and then buy a controller that translates it into a separate USB shifter here:
https://www.ricmotech.com/leo-bodnar-usb-adapter-logitech-shifter
I built my own sim boomer setup for 700 bucks or so after finding a good deal on a DD wheel, it's so much nicer than my old DFGT. Load cell pedals are great, but you have to build them yourself because nobody sells them for a sensible price. As for the shifter, make an adapter yourself with an arduino, only costs 5 bucks. I'm still using my G25 one.
The idea of a racing line is to go as fast as you can while blocking your opponent's "ideal" racing line. Time attack is a different beast where there is only one optimal racing line.
>wow if you cut corners you can more easily maintain speed and reduce the total distance travelled
WOWOOWOW
have you ever driven a car? Almost everyone cuts into the inside lane on curves because it is more efficient. You don't have to be a race car driver to know this.
Depends on what kind of racing, but it's all a battle of maintaining speed and control and minimizing distance traveled through the track.
Personally, I'm much more fond with Rally racing than any other type because you can't really do a "perfect lap". There's far too many complex variables you have to take on at a case by case bases and if something goes wrong, you grit your teeth and work around it to the best of your ability. There's a constant threat of wrapping around a tree, and because of how "chaotic" the races are, overall performance accounts for more than knowing the track perfectly like most forms of racing.
The closest "arcade racer" I could compare Rally racing to in how you have to think would be something like Red Out or Wipeout because everyone's bound to make mistakes here and there, but the better racer will always recover and make up for whatever lost time they may have accrued. That concept is much more fun to me than games like AC:C where the one time you don't do a proper trail-brake and lose .504 ms causes you to lose 4 places.
Consistency over a long race is really fun though, the nerves start kicking in, you can see the c**t behind you gaining tenths on you, and it feels great to bring home even a mediocre placement.
Yeah, I'm not putting that form of racing down at all. It takes an extreme amount of precision and practice to get a track down. I play Asseto Corsa, AC:C, F1 2019, etc. but Rally racing is just more fun for my ADHD brain because it works well with the way my mind works. I find with lap races, I have a point where I start to become disengaged and lose performance because of it.
This is why I don't like chess. It's a solved game. Top players memorize strategies and execute them as well as they are able. There's no improvisation, there's no adapting to the situation, there's no doing the best with what you have. It's just following a certain pattern that is proven effective, again and again and again.
>pic related is America's up & coming F1 driver >last week he won the F2 Bri'ish race and forced the bongs to listen to our anthem, on July 3rd >his number is 45 >his last name is Sargeant
I never watched racing, but I gotta say that I think rules against bumping would just take any fun out of it. No one should be obligated to let you pass them because they can't block. It all just seems unintuitive to me.
In all honesty, they need to bring back more death defying sports.
in formula 1, the only situations in which drivers are obligated to let someone pass is in case of penalties and blue flag
have you ever watched it? today in the sprint qualifier, hamilton was stuck behind schumacher for what felt like a third of the entire race because he didn't manage to get an overtake, even though he had the faster car
I have never really given F1 a chance so maybe it would change my mind if I tried to understand it more.
There are rules against bumping for the same reason there are laws against murder and stealing - it's too easy to get ahead that way. If it was legal, and everyone did it, society would collapse. There'd be no incentive to actually try to work hard when somebody else could just kill you and steal everything you had. Same reason gambling is regulated. Casinos are the easiest way to make money, and they contribute absolutely nothing to society, so they have to be regulated or cities would be filled with utterly worthless business ventures.
In short, bumping is against the rules because otherwise races would just be about bumping each other, not about building a fast car and trying to win.
This is really my problem with a lot of modern sports. They don't work without the administration of a lot of ambiguous penalties where penalties dictate the state of play more than the actual concept of the game. Just look at how the NBA or curling has changed over the decade. The entire sport is changed by these regulations, and you are left asking what the sport really is. Bring back gladiator fights as far as I am concerned.
>No one should be obligated to let you pass them because they can't block.
You're allowed to block, you can take a slower line to keep the inside if you want. You just can't play bumper cars like it's Gran Turismo.
If you were behind someone in a race, would you want them to fricking brake check you in the middle of a straight?
>If you were behind someone in a race, would you want them to fricking brake check you in the middle of a straight?
No, but I would absolutely enjoy watching that.
There are rules against bumping for the same reason there are laws against murder and stealing - it's too easy to get ahead that way. If it was legal, and everyone did it, society would collapse. There'd be no incentive to actually try to work hard when somebody else could just kill you and steal everything you had. Same reason gambling is regulated. Casinos are the easiest way to make money, and they contribute absolutely nothing to society, so they have to be regulated or cities would be filled with utterly worthless business ventures.
In short, bumping is against the rules because otherwise races would just be about bumping each other, not about building a fast car and trying to win.
> Casinos are the easiest way to make money, and they contribute absolutely nothing to society, so they have to be regulated or cities would be filled with utterly worthless business ventures.
If by ability, you mean get signed with a high spending team, then you might be right.
There is some truth to it. Best drivers usually get signed to the best teams, but there is absolutely a lot of luck when it comes the actual racing since other drivers can frick you over and perfectly timed yellow flag/safety car can win you the race or eliminate your lead etc.
What you have to remember is that the actual purpose of a car race is to see what car and driver is faster over a distance and being able to run into or obstruct each other was originally incidental to having them start at the same time and see who gets to the finish line first. (and for the first few decades races were not normally close enough for those to really be an issue outside of outright accidents)
You don't see runners and road bicycle racers punching each other the frick out and you don't think that's odd because it isn't stupidly hard to pass like a 2m wide car on a 10m wide track with tight turns.
>they need to bring back more death defying sports
Black these cars are so fricking fast that even with all of their safety precautions in place there's still a death in Formula every few years. And even without people fricking DYING you still get absolutely nuts crashes like what people are posting ITT.
I can honestly do without seeing bits of a man strewn across the tarmac just for your entertainment, and that's all you're missing.
It absolutely still is racing. Fastest cars and maneuverers will still likely win because they can minimize risk of contact compared to other cars. Your penalty focused sport is just a perversion.
>Fastest cars and maneuverers will still likely win
No, they won't. Turn 1, P2 divebombs P1. P1 backs out, goes completely wide, P2 drives off the track and dies. P1 loses 8 places. Rinse and repeat 50 times a lap, it's fricking absurd and the winner is just the guy who got the luckiest.
>Fastest cars and maneuverers will still likely win because they can minimize risk of contact compared to other cars.
m8 I think you are woefully misinformed about formula racing. This greentext specifically is a huge part of pretty much all but the most boring of races on the calendar. There is tons of contact every single race, you just aren't allowed to use your cars as fricking torpedoes to obliterate each other.
Racing with other humans suck. Motorsports are at their purest form when its you, the car and the track going as fast as you can without having to worry about other idiots and their shit. That is why rally is king. No excuses, no millimeter-wank, just going fast as frick on tracks that you don't know 100%.
If the guy in front of you fricks up on a stage, you can get stuck behind them. There's a great video of some guy going absolutely ballistic in the snow because some moron in front of him is going slow as shit and ruining his time.
As an absolute fricking newb to the more simulationist games how the frick do you actually start to have fun with stuff like F1 2020?
Like the cars drive like utter dogshit and I'm expected to put in like 20+ laps a race while only being allowed to overtake people when the game says I'm allowed to. Also is there like a list of all the bullshit jargon they tell you without explaining? Like what the frick does 'boxing a lap' even mean?
The F1 games aren't sims, they're jank garbage that only exists because someone paid for the licensing rights. If you want F1, you have to mod other games to get something with sensible physics. As for "boxing", have you never watched a fricking race? It's pitting, dude.
>As for "boxing", have you never watched a fricking race? It's pitting, dude.
If by watching a race you mean on TV, no. I've only ever watched a few F1 races live with my older sister like two decades ago cause she was into it and brought me. None of the jargon makes sense term wise, like why the frick is going for a pit-stop called boxing? If they said 'pit next lap' that would be 100x more understood then boxing.
I'm only asking about F1 2020 because me and my buds do a yearly 'Beat 12 games off your steam list in the year' and it was one I got.
>Only britbongs use box as a verb
It's the only term they use in F1 2020 and there wasn't a place to look up what they frick they were telling me.
I have never once heard the term pit box, it's always just called the pit or pit stop.
As an absolute fricking newb to the more simulationist games how the frick do you actually start to have fun with stuff like F1 2020?
Like the cars drive like utter dogshit and I'm expected to put in like 20+ laps a race while only being allowed to overtake people when the game says I'm allowed to. Also is there like a list of all the bullshit jargon they tell you without explaining? Like what the frick does 'boxing a lap' even mean?
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>As for "boxing", have you never watched a fricking race? It's pitting, dude.
If by watching a race you mean on TV, no. I've only ever watched a few F1 races live with my older sister like two decades ago cause she was into it and brought me. None of the jargon makes sense term wise, like why the frick is going for a pit-stop called boxing? If they said 'pit next lap' that would be 100x more understood then boxing.
I'm only asking about F1 2020 because me and my buds do a yearly 'Beat 12 games off your steam list in the year' and it was one I got.
>box as a verb
"Box" probably sounds more distinctive than "pit" over the radio, less easy to confuse with something else, a bit like using the NATO phonetic alphabet.
Power steering is great and only a moron would dislike it. Sure, in a road car, there's no point. In a race car? It's not fricking fun to hold onto 30+Nm of torque.
You can oversteer like a fricking moron and shred your tires all you want with power steering, do you not know what power steering is? Hell, even if you thought it was AWD, you can drift in a fricking 4WD car if you really want to.
Drifting is dumb anyway. Imagine fricking up a turn on purpose, the reason drifting was invented was to showboat when you were a mile ahead of everyone else.
>it looks fricking cooler.
So does doing donuts in a parking lot, but it won't make you go faster. Going fast is what matters, not looking cool. Because you look cool anyway when you're going the fastest.
Do you think fighting with the wheel is cool or something? Watch some rally drivers with failed power steering, they're not having fun, and they're not going fast.
Broken power steering is very different from no power steering. The prevalence of power steering in modern race cars just tells you they're too heavy and too gripped up.
What's the appeal of racing in cars? I can understand racing on foot, that's just pure you vs another, pure 1v1. But with cars, the drivers didn't build that shit, they don't do the work to maintain it, and they probably don't even know how it works. They just press the gas and try not to hit anything. I just don't get it.
>But with cars, the drivers didn't build that shit, they don't do the work to maintain it, and they probably don't even know how it works
not everything is F1 where the driver only sees the car when he enters it to race
Same reason men liked racing on horses. It's a contest of skill, it's not just "hold your foot down and hope for the best", you have to take every turn as well as possible with a high degree of competency. Might as well ask why people like winning at fighting games when they can't throw a real punch.
It's just, what is there to talk about cars? What's there to discuss? Side mount engines vs normal ones? Manual vs automatic transmissions? Dipsticks or drain plugs? The pros and cons of powered windows? There's just nothing new to talk about, cars are cars.
I'd be interested if a car did something new and unusual, like broke a land speed record, or drove underwater or some shit. That would be interesting. But these cars doing all the same shit thousands of cars have done before, except maybe 1% faster? I mean c'mon. May as well be passionate about maze-solving algorithms because it's no different.
So basically what you're saying is you know nothing about engineering or physics and think everything needs to be a headlining spectacle for it to be worthy of discussion. You don't have to be interested in automobiles, but it shouldn't be a shock to you that there's people who are.
Same reason men liked racing on horses. It's a contest of skill, it's not just "hold your foot down and hope for the best", you have to take every turn as well as possible with a high degree of competency. Might as well ask why people like winning at fighting games when they can't throw a real punch.
And people don't appreciate the physical training and skill needed. In some of these corners the drivers are taking 4-6 Gs of force, which is enough to make most normal people pass out.
anon please do not waste your time trying to convince people that it's hard to turn around a corner. Pulling Gs? There's no training need, all you have to do is tense everything below your neck. Pulling negative Gs? same thing.
I could learn that shit in a week if I was using it every day. It would take a month or two to learn how to finesse it for optimal results. But it might take years to learn how to get truly perfect performance.
dealing with g force ain't shit. I got trained in how to do that in an aviation course in middle school, and they took us out in little 2-3 seater planes and pulled Gs to test us. All you have to do is tense your body. Negative Gs? Blood draining from your brain? No blackout. Tense up everything. Positive Gs? Blood rushing to your brain? Relax as much as you can to dilate vessels. Probably no redout.
redouts are scarier than blackouts if you ask me. your vision literally starts turning red because blood is being forced into your eyeballs
Holy shit we actually found the guy from the Navy Seal copypasta.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not joking, anon. If you went to school outside of an urban area and in a state that doesn't embezzle the majority of the tax money, you'd have had simiilar experiences. This was a public school where I took those classes.
Students were supposed to only be able to take it once, due to the cost and wanting as many kids as possible to enjoy it, but somehow I got enrolled in it twice.
One of the main teachers was a volunteer local cop. Several years later I visited my hometown and got pulled over for expired tags. Cop came up and told me to roll down the window, but my window was broken so I opened the door and he tazed me. It happened to be the cop that taught that class when I was a kid and this dude almost cried about tazing me, kept apologizing, but I told him it was no big deal.
nta but it's kindof a known issue that f1 is a rich kid's sport, and that we aren't truly looking at the world's best drivers because there's such a massive barrier to entry.
HOWEVER, it's clear to see a sink or swim dynamic. Alex Albon has tons of money/influence riding behind him, a literal lifetime of racing experience, and flopped hard when his connections got him a seat at red bull. Same for Nikita Mazapin (misspelled but frick that homosexual), who was a laughing stock despite his dad buying him a seat at Haas. There is a lot that goes in to racing that even the best simulators fail to replicate, like tire heat/shape/degradation, wind influence, aerodynamics in general. There's a frickton of minutia that you can't experience unless you're a driver, and among those who do, only a slight fraction hold on to their seats. And among those only a fraction progress to a higher racing class.
I could learn that shit in a week if I was using it every day. It would take a month or two to learn how to finesse it for optimal results. But it might take years to learn how to get truly perfect performance.
Nice try, but you lose again.
Oh and also they don't have power breaking so have with that shit b***h.
do you actually race? If not, you're no better that sportsball fans yelling and fighting about "THEIR TEAM" even though none of the actual players care half as much about their team, only the money.
you want to be a man? Go hunting, hunt predators like bears and mountain lions, and use a bow. With guns it's too easy. If you're feeling really tough, then hunt bear with a spear, like this guy
karting is a hobby for a lot of people, you can get pretty fast on those
racing is expensive in general, that's the only problem
I drive a Grand Am GT and it's pretty fast but it's governed at 120 MPH, which is frickin lame. It's my car, I should be able to do what I want with it. It's like on Windows OS when you try to end a program or delete something and it tells you that you don't have permission. Motherfricker, I don't think you understand the relationship here. You work for me.
Racetracks are for men and women. Women race cars as well. However, they usually participate in short races that involve little risk - like driving around a circuit near a parking garage.The International Motor Racing Research Center reported that women racers won seven million dollars worth of prizes between 2004 and 2007. Women drive fast and win lots of cash. So long as they don't run the risk of bodily injury, racing is definitely a sport for girls!
Sports were originally developed in order to serve military purposes. They were introduced to develop discipline among the citizens. Citizenship was seen as important part of national identity in the ancient Roman Empire.A strong citizenship meant having a citizen army capable of defending itself against enemies. Thus, sports played an essential role in developing a sense of civic responsibility in members of the public. Nowadays, sports are increasingly becoming entertainment events rather than war games designed to train soldiers.
2 years ago
Anonymous
you can remove that kind of limiter by hacking/programming the ECU, for old cars you have a lot of forums with lots of information on how to do it
2 years ago
Anonymous
I heard you have to buy a new computer control unit to do that. What tools do you need to override it? I have all the basics covered but I'm guessing that would require some specialized tools.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I've never done it, never had good cars worth the hassle.
I think if you have the original ECU you'll need some additional HW to program it, if you replace it you can have more control. it's something like that. but it might vary from car to car.
tools/software/cables will also depend from car to car, you'd have to navigate the car forums
>been going to amateur races since my uncle started racing >help him worked on his car over the summers, taught me everything I know >can still feel the atmosphere of a dirt circuit out in the middle of the boonies, sweaty race b***hes and loud engines strapped to shitboxes under the lights >apparently this is all gay because I don't fight panthers with my bare hands
Frick!
Wasn't it only a few weeks ago that the F1 drivers complained about their pay because the sport was supposedly so dangerous? There's been a single F1 death this millennium, it's barely more dangerous than soccer.
Does BallisticNG not have Wipeout's barrel roll mechanic or any other boost-for-energy equivalent? I was interested in Redout because I heard that it combines Wipeout's physicality with F-Zero's raw speed and boost system, which sounds nice on paper but some people have also said the game is needlessly obtuse and ball busting even by antigrav standards. I doubt it's anything you can't handle if you've placed well on Phantom class Wipeout leaderboards or done the bulk of F-Zero content though
it has a selectable 2048 physics mode
I disliked redout, felt too floaty and not that interesting to control. top medals could be bruteforced by using the highest boost-energy-pool vehicle and saving up super boosts for acceleration after wallriding
dunno about redout 2
I love BallisticNG, but frick me, the campaign is just way too hard for me when it comes to the time trials and later levels. I feel like I do them almost flawlessly, but I'm always about 20 seconds too late from earning a bronze medal. I love the look, music, controls, track settings (not so much the tracks themselves), but it's too much for me sometimes. Had no issues with Redout 1+2 and most of Wipeout
Redout had this weird divide in corner layouts for me
most could be taken with zero effort, to the point where it didn't really matter what tactic I used. and then there were a couple that tightened up so much you needed to know ahead of time to slow down. nothing in between where I was racking my brain on how to get through there flat
if you like wipeout you should get ballisticng instead
seriously get ballisticng. i would still recommend playing redout 1/2 because it's pretty fun but the wallriding and that strange unreal engine floatiness kind of kill it for me
My current favorite racing game is Dirt Rally 2.0. Is there any other nice and soulful racing game like it? I love the maps but some of the cars are meh (delete front wheel drive cars from this planet please). I tried a bit of F1 2020, but I much prefer rallying. Art of Rally was my Zen game and goty of whatever year it game out
>are the phsycis legit better?
yes, they are so much more intuitive and granular it's no comparison to codies hack physics
>also your webms look really good graphics wise, is that the default graphics?
yeah it's default. everyone who uses reshade just seems to plaster bloom and terrible color correction over it for some reason.
it's an old game, but modders have put a lot of effort into stagemaking over the years. so the artstyle is on point.
Not that anon, but the cars feel much more "lightweight" in how they control. People say that Dirt Rally 2.0 is easier, but I actually find RBR to be much easier with how much traction you feel in comparison. The gearbox also acts much more realistically as well.
I havent touched RBR, but I'd imagine it has way older cars like from group B etc. Tons of power with no weight. The more modern cars in Dirt Rally 2.0 weight a lot more, but they are stabile as frick to drive and you can just throw them around and you'll come out on top.
>are the phsycis legit better?
yes, they are so much more intuitive and granular it's no comparison to codies hack physics
>also your webms look really good graphics wise, is that the default graphics?
yeah it's default. everyone who uses reshade just seems to plaster bloom and terrible color correction over it for some reason.
it's an old game, but modders have put a lot of effort into stagemaking over the years. so the artstyle is on point.
I'll give it a try. DR2 has a very gimmicky feel to it, this looks better
enjoy the rabbithole. once you got used to the driving register on the website, so you can drive online rallies. that's where the meat of the experience is
I sometimes come to these threads just to watch the RBR webms that inevitably crop up. There's something incredibly visually satisfying about how they flow.
I don't have a racing setup at all, most I've ever done is DR2.0 on an Xbox gamepad. Enjoyable, but not quite "there", fails to keep me invested. Been thinking about getting a mid-range wheel and seeing if it's the missing link for me.
something like a used G27 is well worth it. also RBR has some pretty good input filter tuning for controller and keyboard. so you can tweak the behavior to where you like it and get good times even without a wheel
I've played a dozen racing games from recent years and Dirt Rally 2.0 is still my favorite. RBR is the better rally game in regards to physics and quantity of levels, but DR2 is so much more immersive. Give BeamNG a shot when you get the chance. It's not really a racing game, but it actually simulates the vehicles mechanically and it does a really good job at making each car feel unique. It's not just a shitty meme game like I was led to believe from all the youtubers using it that way.
cars >higher top speed >better cornering >better speed retention >better braking >wider range of recoverable frickups lets you fish for the perfect balance of speed/safety in big steps
bikes >better acceleration >more visecral >... >you're either riding or dead so you never get to finger your peak potential itch
>have suzuki shitbike >oh cool maybe I'll check out their moto GP team >Rins starts out OK for a couple races >suzuki announces they're killing the team next year
cars have an engine and aerodynamics. the team that manages to develop better both has the best car and is more likely to win
drivers make a difference but they can't outdrive faster cars. they give input that can help develop the car though
there's also strategy involved due to different tyres and due to a lot of "environmental friendly" bullshit that limit the cars' power
You're not supposed to mention that shit. And you're definitely not supposed to point out that just 15 cargo ships produce more emissions than all the motor vehicles on earth combined. Now shut the frick up, stop driving and eat the bugs.
It's just fuel consumption, which cycles in and out of relevance as a regulation periodically in racing and has lead to a lot of R&D in really neat efficiency boosting shit like e-turbos and pre-chamber ignition. The present strategic approach to an F1 race driven by the tires and engine/gearbox usage limits is to go as slow as possible anyways so they underfill the cars and save extra fuel to keep the weight down.
lmao Black what are you talking about. The fuel limit is never even in the equation because teams run as fuel-light as they think they can. The only major regulations slowing people down are ones put in by the FIA to somewhat balance the playing field.
Racing is technology development ground, things they figure out in races are eventually appearing in consumer cars. Start asking F1 teams to use less fuel and recover as much energy as possible during driving, and sooner or later they'll figure out something that can be applied to any car and reduce emmisions in there. Forcing them to work with those restrictions makes sense from environmental standpoint, even though f1 having some weekends is not impacting environment directly all too much.
Racing is technology development ground, things they figure out in races are eventually appearing in consumer cars. Start asking F1 teams to use less fuel and recover as much energy as possible during driving, and sooner or later they'll figure out something that can be applied to any car and reduce emmisions in there. Forcing them to work with those restrictions makes sense from environmental standpoint, even though f1 having some weekends is not impacting environment directly all too much.
Environmentalism is a spook. We solved the energy crisis and therefore the environmental "crisis" back in WWII, it's called nuclear energy and the reason nobody talks about it is because green energy is a multi trillion dollar international grift that rakes in money for specific interest groups and is designed to go nowhere. >B-But muh chernobyl muh 3 mile island nuclear bad
Modern nuclear reactors are SO good at what they do that they not only shut down in complete safety when breached due to being sodium-cooled, they can even reuse depleted uranium to clean up our existing nuclear deposits. This information is suppressed for a reason.
yes we should be using nuclear reactors but frick you homosexual for saying environmentalism doesn't matter. future generations of humans will have to live in the world we leave behind. don't be selfish. I've personally attacked and beaten someone who threw trash out of the window of my car while I was driving, and I suggest you do the same.
Let me amend my statement to mean that I was specifically talking about emissions and climate change, then. Because otherwise I'm big on environmentalism in terms of reducing pollution and waste, I come from an area that was so heavily impacted by waste deposits firsthand that the incidence of cancer per capita is almost 4x higher than the national average.
The reason nobody talks about it is because the development time of a nuclear energy facility is longer than most political office terms, and none of these rats want to stake their political career on literal billion-dollar facilities that won't be finished until they're out of office. Also,
>is because green energy is a multi trillion dollar international grift
In the US renewable energy makes up about 10% of our energy production, with oil and natural gas making up about 70%. Oil and gas lobbying outweighs renewable energy lobbying 4:1. Granted they both lobby against nuclear energy, if there's a group to point a finger at it isn't the damn battery salesmen in the corner.
You're ignoring independent orgs and donations, research grants, tax subsidies, carbon taxes, emission regulations allowing us resource control over less developed nations, etc. The lobbying is one thing but it's a multi-layered grift with shit like international green deals that become trillion dollar siphons for the rich and powerful paid for on tax dollars.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'm not trying to argue with you that renewable energy isn't a massive global movement that stands to make some people very fricking rich. I'm saying that we stopped building nuclear facilities in the US in the 70s, before "renewable energy" was even a thing, and that anti-nuclear groups are, and have been since the 60s, backed mostly by oil & gas.
>the development time of a nuclear energy facility is longer than most political office terms
Because there is so much red tape in place because of NIMBY's and energy lobbyists that its almost impossible to go from approval to breaking ground.
Yes that is definitely part of it. But you're also talking about a billion-dollar nuclear reactor and housing facility that has to be researched, tested, designed, built, staffed etc. It takes years to build a damn car plant, and those don't have the potential of irradiating half a state if something goes wrong.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>and that anti-nuclear groups are, and have been since the 60s, backed mostly by oil & gas.
Yeah but oil & gas is on the way out either way and even oil & gas companies have to realize that despite the lobbying and the stalling. Yesterday is yesterday and tomorrow's tomorrow, you would think the boards of these companies would be forward-thinking enough to rebrand or at least diversify into other types of energy distribution going forward. They certainly have the capital to do so and probably wouldn't give a shit to lay off or replace the parts of their workforce they can't inexpensively retrain to work with new materials.
2 years ago
Anonymous
oil isn't gonna dry up until after the current CEOs and executives are dead, so it's not their problem. Publishing increased profits next quarter is their problem and that's all they care about.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Capitalism does not allow for forward thinking, you must maximize quarterly profits whenever possible, even if it means fricking over your company's future. After all, the shareholders are the ones with the real financial power, and they can just sell their stock and hop to another company if your profits aren't growing fast enough, robbing you of capital.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Cheaper to lobby than it is to restructure your company.
Totally agree with you though, frick these old trust fund family homosexuals. Love me combustion engines but I don't have any fricking desire to keep burning god damn oil to power our cities like a couple of dystopian cavemen.
>the development time of a nuclear energy facility is longer than most political office terms
Because there is so much red tape in place because of NIMBY's and energy lobbyists that its almost impossible to go from approval to breaking ground.
>all this talk about the Mercs being objectively the fastest on the track
I though F1 cars were regulated so that any one team wouldn't get too big of an advantage.
Was my F1-nut friend talking shit?
It isn't totally unregulated, but it isn't exactly stock car racing either. Everyone has to race on the same selection of tires. Car dimensions must be within certain ranges. There's a spending cap so that it isn't just a Mercedes/Red Bull/Ferrari pissing contest, but the cap is high enough to where if you're a lower (poorer) team you might have to go suck off a russian pedophile or two to staff your research team.
The car dimensions one is probably the most obvious. All of the cars on the track are limited to a certain width, length, ground clearance etc so they end up looking roughly similar to each other across the grid year-by-year. However, the teams are still in charge of shit like their engine, their aerodynamics, their suspension, etc so some cars are undoubtedly better than others.
And of course the proud F1 tradition of: >Come up with new design/technology that isn't mentioned in the rules >Dominate for a year >New tech gets banned
>get pitted into a wall in one of the corkscrews >piece of shit comes around the bend and nails me without braking >bantz for 30 seconds face to face while someone comes to unstuck us
Good times
>Interviewers ask the drivers questions about the future, technology and rules changes >They all give varying thoughtful answers >Kimi: "Bwoah I don't really care as long as it's fun to drive"
Yes. You also have to consider power ups like shells, bananas, and stars.
underrated
shut the frick up
nah
Yes
Yeah, there's a circlejerk of boomers the cum over the halo and other safety advances
I got caught up in with exploding cars and drifting that i havent thought about how actual racing is done.
unless you're doing time trials, you also have to deal with the other racers on the field
How do you frick up another racers racing line?
by being in the way and not being made out of air
Interdasting, unironically cool. This is new to me.
I have no idea what trailbreaking is.
Thanks anon.
I take in in muh racers like gran turismo on my psp, to trail brake, ill have to continuously tap break since buttons dont have much of a pressure sense.
Gran Turismo isn't much of a sim, so it won't really make any impact.
>not being made of air
Well I'm out then.
Force them to take a defensive line or they get overtaken. Often the sheer pressure of having someone on your ass while you're trying to nail turns is enough to cause mistakes. It's a very demanding sport every little thing you do counts.
By existing.
If you're at the apex, it doesn't matter how fricking slow you're going, he has to go around you, and that's slower.
look up Talladega races, those are always a hilarious bloodbath.
Ask the bong Black person
By taking up as much room on the road as possible, avoiding drafts and just generally being an absolute piece of shit on the track. Hamilton does this and look at him.
I just ride the walls
based
I use the other races to slow me down on turns by driving against there cars
They pretty much explained all about racing during the racing part of Stardust Crusaders.
kys you’reself
Someone didnt like my JOJO REFERENCE
My singing wife
yes, also none of those lines are optimal because they're not trailbraking lines
Trailbraking is only relevant in soulless racing cars where you have downforce for days and don't need to move weight to the front for a sharper turning radius.
that's what the wing on my wrx is for, ese.
Subarus are for white people f a m. Mexicans all drive Hondas with fartcan exhausts
lmao how do you even think the decreasing one is making the corner you dunning kruger b***h
no car can turn super sharply at high speeds due to momentum and physical limitations. so you need to find angles where you can start turning and still make it without crashing. this applies irl aswell - the faster you go, the more difficult it is to turn your car in a bent road
Not til harpoon guns are race legal anyway.
Hairpin sisters.....
Owned
owned indeed
What the frick is this? Looks like a MUGEN Mario Kart.
Sonic Robo Blast 2 Kart
>What the frick is this? Looks like a MUGEN Mario Kart.
its because IT IS
SRB2 kart and they do Gankereekend threads every weekend at 3:00pm EST time
can you play as any 2hus in it?
A bunch
ill have to check it out and hope i catch the thread, thank you
I haven't played on this Ganker but other altboards but no matter the company srbkart 2 is super fun, and that goes doubly so with anons. I would recommend hopping in when you can.
is there a guide or website i can follow?
this
was for you
its up btw
go to the vm thread that's always up. i haven't played in a long time but it's phenomenal
ty anon
What game?
Are there options for the GUI? Because this looks like ass
most of them can be turned off
This is Doom isn't it
Yep, it's a mod built on top of a Dom mod
There's also a probability of ΣΟΥΛ unless you play new ones.
actual racing is hard
>you have to protect your line without blocking
>you have to pass without being too aggressive.
>you have to pass without being too aggressive.
Unless it's rallycross.
Based rally cross enjoyer. Frick subaru though.
Yes non oval racing is cool as frick check out WRC or rallycross
>Six laps
I still don't get why Nas-tards and F1-c**ts keep wanting to do so many laps. If you can't win in 6 laps you aren't going to win in 50.
Except the entire history of racing says you are wrong.
Give me eight races in the last decade that prove your point.
Toyota loses the lead on the last lap, 24 Hours of Le Mans 2014
Verstappen takes the lead on the last lap, Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix 2021
Audi wins the 2022 Nurburgring 24h by less than ONE MINUTE over Mercedes
Team Corvette and Flying Lizard Porsche swap first place about a dozen times in the last two laps, ALMS Laguna Seca 2009
Absolutely bodied
>Verstappen takes the lead on the last lap, Abu Dhabi F1 Grand Prix 2021
Slightly intellectually dishonest there...
It's factually true, even if you don't like the circumstances surrounding it.
Get smoked bong.
Literally last weekend's F1 race at silverstone, there were like 20 overtakes in the last 2 laps.
Also
>Put on a massive fricking, million-dollar event for hundreds of thousands of people
>bring in all 10 teams, who have to transport the racers, the crews, their cars and all of their equipment acrossed the world to get there
>people taking the day off of work, driving across the country to see it
>race for 5 minutes and then wrap it up
Some of the Aussie stock car races are like that, six laps or so up and down Mt. Panorama and it's done, but they usually have several classes and types of racing going on the same day so everyone shows up and just stays for the day.
I mean obviously there are shorter races. But if you're talking about F1 or Nascar, those are pinnacle races are surrounded by ~week-long festivals and viewership around the world, millions of dollars spent by each team every single race. That shit isn't going to be 5 laps lol
Also if you want to see shorter F1 races they literally just had one today.
Part of racing is also a longevity test. The peak of this is the 24 hour races, but even F1 races going 300+ km at maximum speed is a massive test of the team's ability to build and maintain a car capable of doing it without breaking down. Even in spec series, the team is still responsible for maintaining the car, making sure the engine doesn't blow up, and that's without getting into pit stops for changing tires and refuelling. High level motorsports is a team event, and the manufacturing crew and pit crew are just as important as the drivers themselves.
i am thoroughly enjoying GT7.
except for Mid engine and Rear engine cars, what the frick. I know they're supposed to have lift-off oversteer but this is excessive sometimes
gimi
are you the ps4 pro finn?
ps5 player and by no means pro. and not finnish either.
I learned all of this by mere instinct playing Mario Kart, never knew people are autistic enough to actually give it a name.
Do you think Mario Kart invented racing or what?
>never realized people would give a name to very common and important concepts
Maybe that’s because you’re a fricking moron?
I stopped playing racing sims in the era of the first rFactor and GTR 2
what are the go-to sims nowadays
AC, ACC if you like soulless GT3/4 shit, and sadly, iRacing if you want online.
>iRacing if you want online.
....made up of actual cultists.
this is why I hate Nascar, they managed to somehow suck the skill and sportsmanship out of car racing.
but they managed to increase accident counts which is what matters to american audiences
How is that rallies aren't more popular in USA? It's by far the most spectacular motorsport.
in order to enjoy daydrinking, americans need to be herded into confined spaces with a constant influx of
sitting in a forest with beer while AWDs powerslide past them every couple of minutes is not enough
>in order to enjoy daydrinking,
The infield at nascar races is redneck woodstock. It is a level of excess and debauchery that would make a norf FC hooligan blush.
And even shit like 'Dega is a poor imitation of things like the kentucky derby (best captured by a Hunter S. Thompson article "The Kentucky Derby is Decadent and Depraved")
I don't get why they don't enjoy drinking on a forest rally this much. you'd think rednecks would immediately jump on the idea of getting hammered innawoods
This webm bothers me, because if the creator had let it run a half second longer it would loop perfectly.
I need to search for the replay file and re-do it anyway, because the old particles look kinda whack
The carboard cutout audience doesnt bother you?
you really don't notice ingame. the focus is on not dying
ok, maybe this guy should've been 3D considering the position
Shit I thought this was real life for the first 4 seconds.
>Captcha: KKKRV
fooled by a 15yr old directx9 game
rbr was so good, but how long we've waited for custom stages it's unreal
>was
still is. and with the current momentum in the modding community surrounding FMOD integration, RSF and the blender plugin it's only going to get better
Sauce?
https://www.rallysimfans.hu/rbr/download.php?download=rsfrbr
it's free
I want a rally game that forces you to play from these angles
oh god
The last time they did that, Prohibition was enacted.
You have to actually drive out to a forest, and there's no beer on tap or constant stream of hotdogs.
>not bringing your own beer AND hotdogs
I'm ashamed of my fellow Americans.
>you'd think rednecks would immediately jump on the idea of getting hammered innawoods
That's called hunting and fishing, which has always been code word for Day drinking in a blind/on a boat.
Also there is rally in the US and shit like Baja which goes through mexico and southern California.
Nascar is just the biggest one, and it's literally what happened when prohibition was lifted and all the bootleggers and rum runners had to figure out something else they could use their fast ass cars for.
And honestly my favorite kind of race to watch is open body late model dirt tracks. Lots of wrecks and fighting through the corners. A lot of people invested in the races, so things get heated in the crowd.
Oh shit, that webm looks SOULful af. My dad and brother love racing game, and they've even got a racing wheel for dad's comp. Wut gaem?
see
fanks!
not easy to spectate
Nascar is boring as fricking shit to watch, but it requires skill.
I'm no burger but there's much more to nascar driving than what it looks like
I like NASCAR, although it helps that I live 10 minutes away from a speedway, on race days you could smell the burnt rubber from where I live.
only way i can enjoy NASCAR is in boardgame form, because then it's an actually interesting and engaging battle of positioning, fancy maneuvers, and squeezing out the most points from good placements instead of going all-in on the first place.
Thunder Alley was so good that now i'm considering hosting more racing board games for the Tabletop Sim Gankereekend and on the /vm/ thread, but finding good ones is difficult
try Dirt to Daytona for Gamecube. It has a somewhat realistic career mode. Definitely better compared to today's Nascar games.
>Watch NASCAR with family as a kid
>holy shit this sucks
>think racing sucks for like 20 years
>Catch 1 F1 race a roommate was watching
>holy shit this is fricking awesome
NASCAR sucks shit, but it's probably pretty cool live
I don't know, I'm EU but have never even watched NASCAR live but I feel strangely compelled towards NASCAR vidya. However, there aren't any new games. I played Nascar Thunder 2004 which is supposed to have a great career mode but the controls are so tweaky it's a pain to drive etc.
As a real event NASCAR is more about gathering with friends and family and drinking Coors Light.
The true kino was watching V10 era F1 races live.
now try motoGP
>hairpin
i see why the final hairpin at long beach takes me so long to do in race driver grid now, it makes more sense to do it like that
The racing line is important in literally every racing game other than kart racers, and even there you're still likely finding the shortest line just with your game of choice's turn-induced turbo boosts. F-Zero has a section on it in the fricking manual, even. It isn't just Gran Turismo that teaches it.
Driving like takumi make you go faster in Mario kart
>tfw you can always find the tighter more aggressive line
There's a lot you can teach, but a lot of it is gut instinct. Especially if you're talking about IRL where you're flying by the seat of your pants. Which is to say you feel the acceleration curves and power to weight ratio and you're reacting to things faster than you can think about them. You can plan it out while you're going into a turn, but once you're into it you're surfing on physics and vectors and goosing the gas and throttle to keep yourself in that cut.
A part of my soul died the first time I found out what normies think a Drag Race is. Frick this gay earth.
Men dressing as women?
Top fuel is some insane shit man
>nitriding harmless cellulose makes violently explosive nitrocellulose
>nitriding harmless glycerine makes violently explosive nitroglycerine
>methane already violently explodes
>LET'S NITRIDE THAT SHIT AND GET NITROMETHANE
And that's not even the maddest part. Back in the day madmen mixed hydrazine into it. Hydrazine. Like, literal rocket fuel, and not the nice kind, the kind that leaves a nasty orange trail behind it. Extremely volatile, extremely toxic both before and after combustion and extremely explosive shit, pumped straight into the cylinders because frick it, the 60s will only happen once.
My dad used to work for Schumacher battery and always got the top tier access passes to the NHRA events.
Your hearing will be permanently damaged, and you wont shit right for days because your internal organs get scrambled from the roar of the engines that has a sympathetic resonance with the Y chromosome.
That's bullshit but I'll believe it.
>your internal organs get scrambled from the roar of the engines that has a sympathetic resonance with the Y chromosome.
If it's resonating your chromosomes then its turning your flesh to liquidified paste.
> you wont shit right for days because your internal organs get scrambled from the roar of the engines that has a sympathetic resonance with the Y chromosome.
oh yeah, it's definitely not from drinking like the prohibition just ended and eating 3 days old hawtdogs
The pressure waves from the engines cause cavitation in your body.
Just like going to a concert and spending too much time in front of a stack.
The next day you feel like you got hit by a truck because of sustained hydrostatic shock.
>what normies think a Drag Race is
w....what is that anon?
I only have Project Cars 2 on my laptop and use keyboard for controls.
I want a racing sim setup, but shit's too expensive. I wish I could make one myself for like $300, the good wheels alone are $500+, never mind pedals and stickshifts...
there are sim racing boomers who claim they can't drive well unless they have five displays, direct drive wheel, and full hydraulics simulation with twenty independent pressure sensors in their brake cell system, and then there are people who would shit all over them in any race in any sim while using stock e-girltech g27. it's your choice which route do you want to take, but i strongly recommend not being a sim boomer.
g27/g29 is a bit dated design (though perfectly usable), so you might want to spend your hard-earned $300 you've mentioned on used thrustmaster t300 instead. for a cheapo h-shifer, you can get just g27 shifter off some ebay and then buy a controller that translates it into a separate USB shifter here:
https://www.ricmotech.com/leo-bodnar-usb-adapter-logitech-shifter
What about the G923? Can you feel the difference between that one and the old ones? (Also I'd much rather buy new, don't want to be handling a wheel previously touched by some greasy frick)
Exactly a year ago I was going to buy the 923 for like $200 new but I thought "If that's the price now then shit's gonna be super cheap on black friday" so I waited and then they proceeded to raise the price to almost $400, it was fricking vile.
G923 is literally the same internally as the G27, which was practically identical to the G25. T300 is the sensible choice these days, frick gears, and frick Logitech in general for being lazy c**ts.
i had a G25 and i moved onto a T300RS. The thrustmaster WAS kind of nice, but they use the cheapest chinese PCBs that blow after two years. Thing was stuck in PS4 mode so my PC refused to recognize it. I bought a new one from walshart, swapped the internals, and returned it. Then i bought a DD GT from fanatec, and while it's nice, Fanatec is a shit company that needs competition.
here's the rig i built last weekend. It's nice.
Rigs are one hell of a scam, aluminium is a dumb material to use for them. Made mine out of square steel tubing, cost a fraction of the price.
>cost a fraction of the price
t. paid 4/5ths
to have everything pre-cut so i don't have to cut it myself is worth the extra cost
do yourself a favor and dont buy any logitech wheels
they are all gear driven which means that they have a tiny dead zone in the middle, are slower than belt driven/direct drive wheels and will rattle super loud during high ffb
save up for a t300 if youre serious about getting into simracing
more like serious about huffing wiener
From what i see, g923 is pretty much same thing as g29/g27 inside (the only difference between g27 and g29 is different encoder afaik, it was weakest point of g27), meaning FFB will be just as shitty. It's a wheel, it'll let you vroom around in cars, but you didn't miss on any good deal here, this g27/g29/g923 is the least appealing option of all of them.
Yea, good setup is absolutely nice and worth it, I just wanted to say that if anon is wrong about thinking he needs $500 pedals just to drive around.
never driven a belt wheel. I bet it's nice. I'll probably get at t300 if I'm still into this sim racing stuff by the end of the year
t. g29 owner
the difference is staggering.
t. DD owner
all the logitech wheels are basically identical. only difference was when they switched the wheel angle sensor from optical disc to hall sensor. that was g27->g29
logitech has been releasing the exact same product with slightly tweaked firmware (while retaining the same glaring flaws such as center FFB deadzone) for over a decade at the same price
The T300/TX is 10 years old, G25/27/29 is 15. Both are more like twice as expensive as 10 years ago.
I spent the past 10+ years making do with a G25 clamped to a desk, then a T500RS with Playseat Challenge. I just bought myself a massive upgrade in the form of an extruded aluminium wienerpit (like pic related), 38" ultrawide monitor, direct drive wheel and load cell pedals. Sure, it's pointless, expensive and doesn't make you any faster, but being a boomer is fricking sweet.
>ultrameme
Should've gotten triples or VR.
Space is a bit limited, ultrawide is admittedly a compromise over triple screens, but gets the job done. Head tracking also helps to some extent. I have VR, but it's an even bigger meme and not really practical for various reasons.
I made my own "sim station" with a $30 plastic garage shelf in front of my TV. What's nice about it is that the FFB vibrates the entire thing, so I kind of get a similar effect to the more expensive kits people buy to simulate the vibrations from the car.
Racing lines are extremely complicated.
Hamilton is such a Black person it's unreal.
He's the cleanest and fairest racer on the grid.
Rubbing is racing.
He good at making other cars spin.
The Monaco one always makes me laugh.
Why the frick is everyone getting so close to him. Call him a Black person all you want those fricking pricks have suicidal tendencies. Never once does he initiate aggressive contact, he is taking the line and they are diving into him. Imagine being racist because you cant drive.
>Crashmilton once again causing corner contact because he doesn't aim for the apex properly
He's the only driver where this happens at least three times every season, and he's the one on the inside every time.
>small tap = whole wheel gone
why do people like F1?
There's a lot of energy at those speeds.
did he died?
Nope, actually only suffered minor injuries. Which is a testament to how well designed these cars are.
>small tap = carnage
Why would you not??
Open wheels are cancerous and dangerous.
My F1 knowledge is limited but why do people shit on this guy? I like his Mercedes, the black-turquoise aesthetic is cool. What's wrong with this nig?
>See yellow helmet scraping on the floor
>A second later it's not there anymore
Did I just watch a man get beheaded in a blue board?
He's incredibly overrated. He's a good driver that's largely been carried by being on the best team and having the best car. He does a ton of shit (like hitting people in that webm) that other people would get penalized for but he keeps getting away with it because the FIA loves their only black driver.
He's also a tremendous crybaby. He constantly calls anyone doing better than him "dangerous" and blames every single thing that doesn't go his way on every one else.
>He does a ton of shit (like hitting people in that webm)
>You were given a webm example of why nobody outside of the UK likes Hamilton
Is that not common? Your average nonF1gay would assume everything in that webm is normal given how fragile F1 cars are and how fast the motherfrickers go (Yes I know they're designed to disintegrate on purpose)
Meanwhile NASCARChads do pic related and get fixed with fricking HAMMERS.
Racism doesn't exist in current year outside of Ganker, it has become just a get out of jail for free card. Frick off.
I don't follow NASCAR, but I'm going to guess there are rules against intentionally pitting people and putting them in the wall.
>Is that not common?
No. Does the fragility of the cars NOT immediately tell you "hey most drivers tend to avoid contact at all times"?
>Does the fragility of the cars NOT immediately tell you "hey most drivers tend to avoid contact at all times"?
Yes, but it also tells me "accidents must be way more common than other racing categories"
I was memeing about the black part, but yea people tend not to like domination in a sport.
About the hitting people part, people get aggressive when they have something to lose, back in the day even Schumacher would purposely crash into his rival cause he'd rather destroy both cars than let em through
And Schumacher was heavily penalized and they re-wrote the rules to stop it from happening more. But for Hamilton it's just chalked up to him being an "aggressive driver". The bias is obvious.
>But for Hamilton it's just chalked up to him being an "aggressive driver".
Well yeah he's an aggressive driver, he's a Black person
>Highly successful
>Black
you do the math
You were given a webm example of why nobody outside of the UK likes Hamilton, and even some people in the UK are sick of the native narrator bias where a major crash can be happening and they're instead talking about how SIR Lewis Hamilton is talking on the radio about his balls itching.
>What's wrong with this nig?
Born with a silver spoon in his mouth but acts like he was poor. He's a competent driver, for sure, but after years of dominance purely because he had the better fricking car every year, everyone is sick to death of him.
It's Max vs Hamilton. Hamilton refuses to back out of the corner despite the fact he HAS to decelerate to even make the turn, which results in him going far too wide and sweeping Max's back wheel.
Why decelerate when you can get a little help from the outside car?
Because it's against the rules and is Black person behavior.
Im sorry what was that? I can't hear you over your screams, roaring engine, screeching tires, and crashing metal. Oh it appears you are busy having highspeed crash, well I'll leave you to it. I have a race to win.
The truth is, every F1 driver is a rich family's kid because starting young etc costs a shit ton of money and it won't even necessarily pay off in the end.
>Did I just watch a man get beheaded in a blue board?
No, Zhou was completely unharmed.
>Did I just watch a man get beheaded
look closer, he wore a white helmet and the high-velocity wagie cagie kept him safe
Nope.
Reason 1: because he was the reigning champ for 7 years straight and hardly ever lost, and made the races boring to watch.
Reason 2: because he races dirty and bends the rules and cries to the officials a lot. Which everyone does it but it's irritating coming from the guy who never loses.
Reason 3: he's a vegan ponce who has a set of opinions seemingly specifically designed to piss as many people off as possible
That shit is kindof changing now though that mercedes doesn't have a decided advantage over everyone else. But those were 7 long years, and he's still *that homie*.
Im a racing brainlet, but im going take a guess what hes doing
Leclerc is on the outside and making a classic turn which is why hes pulling ahead
Hamilton is slightly in the middle so hes going slightly slower, but just fast enough to be at(apex?) Where leclerc is about to take the corner to block.
Thats ny understanding. Cool strategy
The important thing it's demonstrating is how last year Hamilton caused a crash with Verstappen and claimed that "Max left me no room". But this year he was in the exact same position with Leclerc and magically he now has more than enough room to not cause an accident.
Hamilton took a deliberately wide line compared to his past white one with the intention of causing contact and a spin. Beyond being an absolute homosexual move it's also incredibly dangerous.
Hamilton has a bad habit of driving dirty and causing crashes which he also barely if ever faces a serious reprimand for. It's also largely completely unnecessary because his team, Mercedes, pour so much fricking money into the sport that their cars are basically UFOs compared to every other team who has a much smaller budget.
To be fair, that's comparing lap 1 to lap 50. The difference in terms of fuel is pretty big. That said, he absolutely had enough room on the inside, he went wide to try and push Max off without realising he was in his blindspot and acting like a Black person.
Can he 'act like' a Black person when he really is a Black person?
You also need to consider however that Hamilton has a pretty piss poor track record for this kind of shit. See
If this was a one off occurrence it could be chalked up to a simple mistake, but it's always him smacking them from the inside.
But it wouldnt have happened if the other guy slowed down.
Arent you supposed to out maneuver your opponent?
If you are ahead and/or are on the proper racing line then the obligation to slow down is on the other car. This is to prevent people just dive bombing corners.
Alright, there are some rules i dont know about actual racing
>But it wouldnt have happened if the other guy slowed down.
He was leading into the corner, he had no obligation to. As long as he left enough room on the inside for Hamilton to drive, he was completely in the right. Hamilton took up far too much road and failed to stick to his inside line.
Why the frick would the guy in front on the faster line slow down to let the guy behind overtake him?
For saftey.
My understanding is youre supposed to cause your opponent to make decisions where they have to maintain speed and not wipe out.
Hamilton blocked him.
Why would you not want to force your opponent to slow down by forcing them to move the way you want them to?
Because the rules say you cannot drive in an unsafe manner and try to intentionally cause crashes, which is what you're proposing.
Ok, fair. I did not know that.
I am literally a brainlet when it comes to real racing
There's a lot of rules when it comes to shit like this. Like if you're on a straight, you have to stay on your line. If the guy behind you gets a better exit out of the corner and starts gaining on you, you can't move inside to try and block him like a Black person and force him wide, you have to leave him room to pass.
To be technical, you're allowed to move once to block. If you move again it's considered weaving and against the rules.
>slow down or I will drive into you, despite having ample of space on the inside to not drive into you
yeah, why not?
Because that's how people die, and the sport is not about killing your competition, it's about beating them in a race.
Hamilton's law of physics.
Are you stupid? That is highly illegal.
you cant just do what you want on a race track btw, this isnt a PS2 game where you corner by slamming into the cars and then using the slowdown to do the corner
if you are leading, the guy behind has to follow your lead and manouver around. while cornering side by side, the car behind will sometimes 'be in front' of the original leading car, but by the time the corner straightens out the original positions will happen again, so if the car behind doesnt pay attention or move out the way, they will end up hitting the lead car and it will be the behind cars fault
Alright, thanks for clearing things up. Im honestly curious.
Yeah, im going off video game logic.
Rules state otherwise. Driver with the optimal racing line and the fastest speed is given priority, everybody else has to drive around him. Hamilton was slower and had the piss weak interior racing line, him corner bombing leads to the exact shit you see where he just taps other cars out of the race completely, and he gets away with it because the FIA can't penalise the one black guy on the track for fear of being called racist.
They did penalize him, it's just that it was a token
>10 second time penalty
slap on the wrist, which really did nothing when he has the fastest car and just rammed his main rival in the wall.
Kinda what I mean, he's never hit with a "give the fricking position back." He's always given some worthless time penalty.
Can't really give the position back to someone you put in the wall. I would given him a flat three place grid penalty, so that no matter how well he did he wouldn't get to stand on the podium.
>ram opponent into a DNF
>position gets removed
>thus no position to give back in the first place
hamiltonian mechanics
>10 second penalty for ensuring your main rival gets zero points that race when he would've almost certainly got a podium
Makes perfect sense.
don't pretend that the car isn't a major influence in that
Why would it be? Elaborate your position.
>50g crash
>still walk away from it
How has Verstappen not rightfully assassinated hamilton yet
well, he kinda murdered him at the end of 2021 season, hamilton still looks mindbroken even today
Too much.
>tires material thickness surface
>temperature of the weather
>humidity
>axle flywheel and transmission efficiency and speed
>aero shape of the car
>downforces
>suspension size, height stiffness
>brake strength front brakes vs rear brake ratios
Pretty much racing is magic. Quantum math.
I hate that most racing games or really, almost all of them dont have proper damage models letting players bump each other and ride wall with no consequences when in reality they would be flying off and retiring
Blame car manufacturers, or any manufacturer involved in these sorts of games. They don't want their cars beaten up to within specific parameters. Doors can't come off or open, glass can't go beyond being cracked etc. because it would imply the passenger compartment is unsafe.
???
I don't understand this image. Are you moronic?
shortest path is a straight line, dumbo
But not the fastest path.
>he doesnt have momentum redirectioners
ngmi
shortest path =/= fastest path, especially when acceleration is involved
not it isn't
you might be a child
wouldn't surprise me
In racist you will need to brake to change direction on 90 degrees homosexuals.
sure let me bust the Swerve Star out for this race
We can go faster
I like where this is going.
>"Where we're going, we don't need eyes to see..."
the length of those lines is longer than the curved ones moron.
no
I can't wait until AI is better. Those GT competitions against Sophy where it was just abusing the shit out of track limits and shitting on the humans was neat as hell, shame it takes it days to learn a track with one car.
viable?
suboptimal as you will not be able to get on the throttle as hard as early as orange
You're going to have to take the turn slower and you won't be able to get on the throttle again as soon, so you will not only be slower through it but you'll be slower coming out of it.
Best channel to get into racing sims, or a guide? Closest I’ve played has been GT Sport, and Ridge Racer 7 for time.
Honestly, it's pretty easy. Brake as late as possible, use all the road, maintain grip and carry as much speed as you can through each corner, while getting on the throttle as early as possible.
Ultimately, knowing what to do is trivial, but actually getting it down every corner is what's rough. Only thing you can do is practice more.
Seems like priority is accelerating out of the curve
If there is a straight at the end of that orange is gonna be ahead
If there's another turn coming up then yeah but if its just that turn into a straightaway then you're losing acceleration time correcting away from the wall.
Not without turning into the first one earlier too.
Entry speed into turn 1 does nothing for you. You need to maximize the accelleration out of turn 2 assuming it has a long enough straight.
If your slow point is early in the second turn you actually make time with your entry speed to the first turn since exit speed from the first turn means frick all, you just have to make the turn in point at the direction change.
i think we're saying the same thing
Nice infographic
>Mercedes fricks up their car for the 22 season
>Shartilton immediately exposed as the fricking garbage mid-tier driver he is
but you just said their car is fricked
Ferrari has had fricked cars for most of this season, hasn't stopped Leclerc from rivalling Verstappen.
Hamilton can't win unless the car design favors him specifically.
yeah except ferrari has a very fast but unreliable car, while merc have a reliable but slow car, quite a difference
I don't think you understand how these things work?
Merc's car isn't slow at all, Hamilton is still putting in competitive qualifying times and has hit podium more than once. Its technical problems do not outrival Ferrari's which has to DNF a few times now due to fricked engine batteries.
>Hamilton can't win unless the car design favors him specifically.
And the league allows him to intentionally wreck other cars
Listening to him piss and moan at the end of last year about how the FIA were "letting" Max beat him was the funniest shit I heard all year.
To be fair, what happened with Max was completely unconventional.
On the other hand, frick Hamilton. He's won more than a few races by playing dirty.
Doesn't seem to stop Russel from being consistently right behind Red BVLL and Ferrari.
>ferrari got the best car for once
>still tries their hardest to make their pilots lose
Kek you can't make this shit up.
Any ChecoCHADS ITT?
>'ate alonso spaniard
>luv me burrito-fueled spic
>simple as
He's good when he's on, he just isn't consistent enough and doesn't come in during most of those clutch moments when he's needed.
No not really.
You approach the corner at mach 5, activate quicktime which makes your car a 50t behemoth, take the turn and nitro out.
Ezpz
*Makes simulatorgays seethe in your path*
Made my ears seethe with that garbage radio.
Here you go
https://www.nexusmods.com/forzahorizon5/mods/13
>not enjoying both simcades and sims
>not enjoying both simcades and sims
I can't, I only have a controller
i play sims 2 with expansions sometimes
it sure is pretty.
really impressed by the catch fence
I've been watching F1 for like 7 years and this was the coolest shit I have ever seen. The only shot they showed of it on tv during the first hour was when it was "live", and you could just see this motherfricker getting anime'd in the background at 120mph.
They are super super careful now not to do replays until they know 100% that the driver is completely ok.
I understand but that's gay. Confirm he's ok and show the clip, they're too conservative about it.
You just want to see people suffer.
>play NfS all my life
>play GRID
>actually have to remember the corners and brake distances
Shit's fun
F1 is not racing
Neither is nascar on a restrictorplate or 1.5 mile track
no shit
Aussie V8s is where it's at, I agree
I can't into rooty-tooty vvvrroooom-and-scooty to save my miserable life
One of my favorite things about the horizon games is that it's so arcadey that pinballing through some corners is the optimal path.
It's bullshit for simulation, but feels like making a trick shot in pool.
>Off the subaru, bank off the far bumper, escort into the corner pocket, over the finish line in an out of control tumble
I really wish someone would bring back the classic burnout games.
I played the frick out of Burnout 3 and it might have been the best racing game ever.
Racing sims are as autistic as it gets.
Just look at Dirt 2.0’s B class.
they already watered down group B to even make them driveable on controller.
for starters, these old cars didn't have a fly-off handbrake. their all-wheel-drive was rigidly connected with the wheels, so there was no way to only brake/lock the rear tires like in modern R5/WRC
Yes, your line depends a lot on your opponents since you need to make a line that's both optimal in speed and takes your opponent out of the race, giving you a takedown and a bunch of boost you can use.
For me, it’s stadium super trucks and sprint cars. My dad had his own sprint car team and drove but stopped because of one too many crashes when I was a baby, mom made him stop. Always wished I had gotten into racing.
>Be legendary driver of one of the most dangerous racing categories in the world
>Become potato moron while skiing on vacation
Never trust snow sports.
>all these boring sequels with the same exact gameplay n+1 times
Name one CREATIVE racing game that came out in the last 10 years.
thread is about simracing, you can only get creative with racing games if it's arcade.
is there any reason to buy forza when I have GT7 and AC already?
If you want to know what it's like to be hecking epic for the win as a transbian quadriplegic, it's the only series that offers that. If you're sane, nah, not really.
Yeah, a hueg map and fun custom stunt races, unlike GT. Frick sony.
Motorsport? Yeah. It's more of what you already like and there's a few races that AREN'T fricking GT3. I'm not saying you have to drop everything and get it NOW NOW NOW, but you'll have fun if you do.
Boreizon? Nope. It's a frickawful arcade sim with god awful force feedback, shit tracks, terrible racing, terrible rubber banding, just plain awful, and this coming from someone who LIKES arcade racers like WMMT and burnout.
>Play Forza Horizon (shut up)
>First game ever where I play with manual transmission, clutch, no assists
>Can never play Mario Kart again because just holding A is boring
That's really more the fault of Mario Kart than anything else. I can still have a lot of fun in Ridge Racer, because that game is just well designed. Mario Kart is for moronic 5 year olds who need items to win.
I'm in the same boat, though 200cc is unironically quite fun and challenging.
Anything below it is very boring
Man I always find racing games super boring, but you c**ts sure make it sound interesting.
Nothing beats the feeling of just fitting through a gap between a couple of cars while the guy behind you fricks it up and crashes, or hitting a corner on the perfect line and watching the delta bar go green as you gain a whole tenth of a second. I find cars boring as shit, but there's a lot of charm in testing the limits of a machine as it rockets around at a pace that isn't sensible.
frick physics
Sim racing is just about the only thing I play these days, but it never gets any love on Ganker. Who looking forward to AC2? Will they frick it up and break mod support?
AC2 will wind up being shit. Those morons can't code, and the things people actually want, like being able to use whatever car they want on whatever online map they want, will never happen.
I built my own sim boomer setup for 700 bucks or so after finding a good deal on a DD wheel, it's so much nicer than my old DFGT. Load cell pedals are great, but you have to build them yourself because nobody sells them for a sensible price. As for the shifter, make an adapter yourself with an arduino, only costs 5 bucks. I'm still using my G25 one.
The idea of a racing line is to go as fast as you can while blocking your opponent's "ideal" racing line. Time attack is a different beast where there is only one optimal racing line.
>wow if you cut corners you can more easily maintain speed and reduce the total distance travelled
WOWOOWOW
have you ever driven a car? Almost everyone cuts into the inside lane on curves because it is more efficient. You don't have to be a race car driver to know this.
I just make my own racing line.
but the Black man is totally oppressed, chud
>filename
He didn't get a penalty for cutting like that?
Nope, and any other driver would have.
Only if you miss a checkpoint, then you have turn around.
Depends on what kind of racing, but it's all a battle of maintaining speed and control and minimizing distance traveled through the track.
Personally, I'm much more fond with Rally racing than any other type because you can't really do a "perfect lap". There's far too many complex variables you have to take on at a case by case bases and if something goes wrong, you grit your teeth and work around it to the best of your ability. There's a constant threat of wrapping around a tree, and because of how "chaotic" the races are, overall performance accounts for more than knowing the track perfectly like most forms of racing.
The closest "arcade racer" I could compare Rally racing to in how you have to think would be something like Red Out or Wipeout because everyone's bound to make mistakes here and there, but the better racer will always recover and make up for whatever lost time they may have accrued. That concept is much more fun to me than games like AC:C where the one time you don't do a proper trail-brake and lose .504 ms causes you to lose 4 places.
Consistency over a long race is really fun though, the nerves start kicking in, you can see the c**t behind you gaining tenths on you, and it feels great to bring home even a mediocre placement.
Yeah, I'm not putting that form of racing down at all. It takes an extreme amount of precision and practice to get a track down. I play Asseto Corsa, AC:C, F1 2019, etc. but Rally racing is just more fun for my ADHD brain because it works well with the way my mind works. I find with lap races, I have a point where I start to become disengaged and lose performance because of it.
This is why I don't like chess. It's a solved game. Top players memorize strategies and execute them as well as they are able. There's no improvisation, there's no adapting to the situation, there's no doing the best with what you have. It's just following a certain pattern that is proven effective, again and again and again.
Fischer v Spassky Game 6
>pic related is America's up & coming F1 driver
>last week he won the F2 Bri'ish race and forced the bongs to listen to our anthem, on July 3rd
>his number is 45
>his last name is Sargeant
I never watched racing, but I gotta say that I think rules against bumping would just take any fun out of it. No one should be obligated to let you pass them because they can't block. It all just seems unintuitive to me.
In all honesty, they need to bring back more death defying sports.
in formula 1, the only situations in which drivers are obligated to let someone pass is in case of penalties and blue flag
have you ever watched it? today in the sprint qualifier, hamilton was stuck behind schumacher for what felt like a third of the entire race because he didn't manage to get an overtake, even though he had the faster car
I have never really given F1 a chance so maybe it would change my mind if I tried to understand it more.
This is really my problem with a lot of modern sports. They don't work without the administration of a lot of ambiguous penalties where penalties dictate the state of play more than the actual concept of the game. Just look at how the NBA or curling has changed over the decade. The entire sport is changed by these regulations, and you are left asking what the sport really is. Bring back gladiator fights as far as I am concerned.
>No one should be obligated to let you pass them because they can't block.
You're allowed to block, you can take a slower line to keep the inside if you want. You just can't play bumper cars like it's Gran Turismo.
If you were behind someone in a race, would you want them to fricking brake check you in the middle of a straight?
>If you were behind someone in a race, would you want them to fricking brake check you in the middle of a straight?
No, but I would absolutely enjoy watching that.
There are rules against bumping for the same reason there are laws against murder and stealing - it's too easy to get ahead that way. If it was legal, and everyone did it, society would collapse. There'd be no incentive to actually try to work hard when somebody else could just kill you and steal everything you had. Same reason gambling is regulated. Casinos are the easiest way to make money, and they contribute absolutely nothing to society, so they have to be regulated or cities would be filled with utterly worthless business ventures.
In short, bumping is against the rules because otherwise races would just be about bumping each other, not about building a fast car and trying to win.
Casinos are regulated because of tribal and corporate lobbying to achieve monopoly status.
That's why they're regulated instead of being outright banned like they should be.
> Casinos are the easiest way to make money, and they contribute absolutely nothing to society, so they have to be regulated or cities would be filled with utterly worthless business ventures.
So like gacha games and the mobile gaming market?
Watch NASCAR if you want bumping
F1 is all about ability
If by ability, you mean get signed with a high spending team, then you might be right.
Funny because Haas are doing amazing this season with the shittiest cars on the grid (maybe just slightly better than Williams)
And McLaren is doing laughably bad considering how big they are and how much they spend.
Lando is doing okay but Danny Ricc is one more quali out of the top 10 away from offing directly on camera
There is some truth to it. Best drivers usually get signed to the best teams, but there is absolutely a lot of luck when it comes the actual racing since other drivers can frick you over and perfectly timed yellow flag/safety car can win you the race or eliminate your lead etc.
What you have to remember is that the actual purpose of a car race is to see what car and driver is faster over a distance and being able to run into or obstruct each other was originally incidental to having them start at the same time and see who gets to the finish line first. (and for the first few decades races were not normally close enough for those to really be an issue outside of outright accidents)
You don't see runners and road bicycle racers punching each other the frick out and you don't think that's odd because it isn't stupidly hard to pass like a 2m wide car on a 10m wide track with tight turns.
Cars are basically weapons unlike bicycles.
>they need to bring back more death defying sports
Black these cars are so fricking fast that even with all of their safety precautions in place there's still a death in Formula every few years. And even without people fricking DYING you still get absolutely nuts crashes like what people are posting ITT.
I can honestly do without seeing bits of a man strewn across the tarmac just for your entertainment, and that's all you're missing.
What a fricking imbecile. That's not racing anymore, that's destruction derby, what's the point?
It absolutely still is racing. Fastest cars and maneuverers will still likely win because they can minimize risk of contact compared to other cars. Your penalty focused sport is just a perversion.
>Fastest cars and maneuverers will still likely win
No, they won't. Turn 1, P2 divebombs P1. P1 backs out, goes completely wide, P2 drives off the track and dies. P1 loses 8 places. Rinse and repeat 50 times a lap, it's fricking absurd and the winner is just the guy who got the luckiest.
>Fastest cars and maneuverers will still likely win because they can minimize risk of contact compared to other cars.
m8 I think you are woefully misinformed about formula racing. This greentext specifically is a huge part of pretty much all but the most boring of races on the calendar. There is tons of contact every single race, you just aren't allowed to use your cars as fricking torpedoes to obliterate each other.
Jesus christ you're incredibly stupid.
That's not racing because there are no other cars, that's just the ideal lines.
Racing with other humans suck. Motorsports are at their purest form when its you, the car and the track going as fast as you can without having to worry about other idiots and their shit. That is why rally is king. No excuses, no millimeter-wank, just going fast as frick on tracks that you don't know 100%.
If the guy in front of you fricks up on a stage, you can get stuck behind them. There's a great video of some guy going absolutely ballistic in the snow because some moron in front of him is going slow as shit and ruining his time.
>SATANS CHIMPANZEE!
Kek. At least that is rare
Okay but that is not racing.
As an absolute fricking newb to the more simulationist games how the frick do you actually start to have fun with stuff like F1 2020?
Like the cars drive like utter dogshit and I'm expected to put in like 20+ laps a race while only being allowed to overtake people when the game says I'm allowed to. Also is there like a list of all the bullshit jargon they tell you without explaining? Like what the frick does 'boxing a lap' even mean?
The F1 games aren't sims, they're jank garbage that only exists because someone paid for the licensing rights. If you want F1, you have to mod other games to get something with sensible physics. As for "boxing", have you never watched a fricking race? It's pitting, dude.
>As for "boxing", have you never watched a fricking race? It's pitting, dude.
If by watching a race you mean on TV, no. I've only ever watched a few F1 races live with my older sister like two decades ago cause she was into it and brought me. None of the jargon makes sense term wise, like why the frick is going for a pit-stop called boxing? If they said 'pit next lap' that would be 100x more understood then boxing.
I'm only asking about F1 2020 because me and my buds do a yearly 'Beat 12 games off your steam list in the year' and it was one I got.
pit box
Only britbongs use box as a verb
>Only britbongs use box as a verb
It's the only term they use in F1 2020 and there wasn't a place to look up what they frick they were telling me.
I have never once heard the term pit box, it's always just called the pit or pit stop.
never heard of boxing?
No, see
and
>box as a verb
"Box" probably sounds more distinctive than "pit" over the radio, less easy to confuse with something else, a bit like using the NATO phonetic alphabet.
Is Art of Rally any good?
Power steering was a fricking mistake.
Power steering is great and only a moron would dislike it. Sure, in a road car, there's no point. In a race car? It's not fricking fun to hold onto 30+Nm of torque.
I want the rear to fly goddamn it.
You can oversteer like a fricking moron and shred your tires all you want with power steering, do you not know what power steering is? Hell, even if you thought it was AWD, you can drift in a fricking 4WD car if you really want to.
Drifting is dumb anyway. Imagine fricking up a turn on purpose, the reason drifting was invented was to showboat when you were a mile ahead of everyone else.
I was thinking of AWD.
But still, it looks fricking cooler.
>it looks fricking cooler.
So does doing donuts in a parking lot, but it won't make you go faster. Going fast is what matters, not looking cool. Because you look cool anyway when you're going the fastest.
what the frick does that have to do with power steering you weeb moron
What a backwards moron opinion
Do you think fighting with the wheel is cool or something? Watch some rally drivers with failed power steering, they're not having fun, and they're not going fast.
Broken power steering is very different from no power steering. The prevalence of power steering in modern race cars just tells you they're too heavy and too gripped up.
>Sure, in a road car, there's no point
Who hurt you
>It's not fricking fun to hold onto 30+Nm of torque.
that sounds extremely fun
Trust me for games without speed penalty this is faster
You're assuming there is a wall there and it's not just the track limit.
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Countdown to Extinction is actually boomercore magnificence, excellent driving music.
This is me when i dont give a shit and got cars to thump through.
could
>you
handle driving 24 Hours of Spa?
What's the appeal of racing in cars? I can understand racing on foot, that's just pure you vs another, pure 1v1. But with cars, the drivers didn't build that shit, they don't do the work to maintain it, and they probably don't even know how it works. They just press the gas and try not to hit anything. I just don't get it.
You don't get it because you're a moron.
>But with cars, the drivers didn't build that shit, they don't do the work to maintain it, and they probably don't even know how it works
not everything is F1 where the driver only sees the car when he enters it to race
It's just, what is there to talk about cars? What's there to discuss? Side mount engines vs normal ones? Manual vs automatic transmissions? Dipsticks or drain plugs? The pros and cons of powered windows? There's just nothing new to talk about, cars are cars.
I'd be interested if a car did something new and unusual, like broke a land speed record, or drove underwater or some shit. That would be interesting. But these cars doing all the same shit thousands of cars have done before, except maybe 1% faster? I mean c'mon. May as well be passionate about maze-solving algorithms because it's no different.
So basically what you're saying is you know nothing about engineering or physics and think everything needs to be a headlining spectacle for it to be worthy of discussion. You don't have to be interested in automobiles, but it shouldn't be a shock to you that there's people who are.
Same reason men liked racing on horses. It's a contest of skill, it's not just "hold your foot down and hope for the best", you have to take every turn as well as possible with a high degree of competency. Might as well ask why people like winning at fighting games when they can't throw a real punch.
And people don't appreciate the physical training and skill needed. In some of these corners the drivers are taking 4-6 Gs of force, which is enough to make most normal people pass out.
anon please do not waste your time trying to convince people that it's hard to turn around a corner. Pulling Gs? There's no training need, all you have to do is tense everything below your neck. Pulling negative Gs? same thing.
>and they probably don't even know how it works
You try and do it anon
Just memorise all those dials
at this point they should just slap a full qwerty keyboard in there and have drivers program ecu while driving
>here's your controller, bro
Steam Deck 2.0?
I could learn that shit in a week if I was using it every day. It would take a month or two to learn how to finesse it for optimal results. But it might take years to learn how to get truly perfect performance.
Nice try, but you lose again.
Learning it is one thing, knowing how to use it while driving almost 180 MPH is another.
dealing with g force ain't shit. I got trained in how to do that in an aviation course in middle school, and they took us out in little 2-3 seater planes and pulled Gs to test us. All you have to do is tense your body. Negative Gs? Blood draining from your brain? No blackout. Tense up everything. Positive Gs? Blood rushing to your brain? Relax as much as you can to dilate vessels. Probably no redout.
redouts are scarier than blackouts if you ask me. your vision literally starts turning red because blood is being forced into your eyeballs
Holy shit we actually found the guy from the Navy Seal copypasta.
I'm not joking, anon. If you went to school outside of an urban area and in a state that doesn't embezzle the majority of the tax money, you'd have had simiilar experiences. This was a public school where I took those classes.
Students were supposed to only be able to take it once, due to the cost and wanting as many kids as possible to enjoy it, but somehow I got enrolled in it twice.
One of the main teachers was a volunteer local cop. Several years later I visited my hometown and got pulled over for expired tags. Cop came up and told me to roll down the window, but my window was broken so I opened the door and he tazed me. It happened to be the cop that taught that class when I was a kid and this dude almost cried about tazing me, kept apologizing, but I told him it was no big deal.
The best part about that video is that all garages are required to have a latch that allows manual opening from the inside.
Not only is she a dumbass for getting in there, but she's a dumbass for not having any life experience whatsoever.
This is what happens when you keep your wife in the kitchen for 45 years. They get caught by the old accidental garage door trick.
nta but it's kindof a known issue that f1 is a rich kid's sport, and that we aren't truly looking at the world's best drivers because there's such a massive barrier to entry.
HOWEVER, it's clear to see a sink or swim dynamic. Alex Albon has tons of money/influence riding behind him, a literal lifetime of racing experience, and flopped hard when his connections got him a seat at red bull. Same for Nikita Mazapin (misspelled but frick that homosexual), who was a laughing stock despite his dad buying him a seat at Haas. There is a lot that goes in to racing that even the best simulators fail to replicate, like tire heat/shape/degradation, wind influence, aerodynamics in general. There's a frickton of minutia that you can't experience unless you're a driver, and among those who do, only a slight fraction hold on to their seats. And among those only a fraction progress to a higher racing class.
Oh and also they don't have power breaking so have with that shit b***h.
> they probably don't even know how it works.
If you drive a car and don't know how a car works, you're beyond saving.
You don't get why going fast is appealing? homie you dumb.
I think in the dakar rally there's a category where the dudes on enduro bikes have no maintenace crews and that's pretty hardcore.
Racing is the last bastion of pure adrenaline for the modern man. You can tell a lot about a man by his opinions on motor racing.
cute boys as racing babes when???
Never, frick off homosexual.
do you actually race? If not, you're no better that sportsball fans yelling and fighting about "THEIR TEAM" even though none of the actual players care half as much about their team, only the money.
you want to be a man? Go hunting, hunt predators like bears and mountain lions, and use a bow. With guns it's too easy. If you're feeling really tough, then hunt bear with a spear, like this guy
And yet here you are, arguing with bots on a chinese messageboard.
Do any of you actually go fast? Or do you just like to watch?
I actually do have a track day car, thanks for asking.
I drive a Grand Am GT and it's pretty fast but it's governed at 120 MPH, which is frickin lame. It's my car, I should be able to do what I want with it. It's like on Windows OS when you try to end a program or delete something and it tells you that you don't have permission. Motherfricker, I don't think you understand the relationship here. You work for me.
Racetracks are for men and women. Women race cars as well. However, they usually participate in short races that involve little risk - like driving around a circuit near a parking garage.The International Motor Racing Research Center reported that women racers won seven million dollars worth of prizes between 2004 and 2007. Women drive fast and win lots of cash. So long as they don't run the risk of bodily injury, racing is definitely a sport for girls!
Sports were originally developed in order to serve military purposes. They were introduced to develop discipline among the citizens. Citizenship was seen as important part of national identity in the ancient Roman Empire.A strong citizenship meant having a citizen army capable of defending itself against enemies. Thus, sports played an essential role in developing a sense of civic responsibility in members of the public. Nowadays, sports are increasingly becoming entertainment events rather than war games designed to train soldiers.
you can remove that kind of limiter by hacking/programming the ECU, for old cars you have a lot of forums with lots of information on how to do it
I heard you have to buy a new computer control unit to do that. What tools do you need to override it? I have all the basics covered but I'm guessing that would require some specialized tools.
I've never done it, never had good cars worth the hassle.
I think if you have the original ECU you'll need some additional HW to program it, if you replace it you can have more control. it's something like that. but it might vary from car to car.
tools/software/cables will also depend from car to car, you'd have to navigate the car forums
karting is a hobby for a lot of people, you can get pretty fast on those
racing is expensive in general, that's the only problem
No I just play a lot of racing games and appreciate the sport, sorry anon!
I ride my motorcycle, yeah. I don't go anywhere near as fast as it would be possible but it's still enough to appreciate how good pilots are.
>tfw V8
Yes.
What a weird, homosexual gatekeep.
>you want to be a man?
Not for your approval, homosexual.
>been going to amateur races since my uncle started racing
>help him worked on his car over the summers, taught me everything I know
>can still feel the atmosphere of a dirt circuit out in the middle of the boonies, sweaty race b***hes and loud engines strapped to shitboxes under the lights
>apparently this is all gay because I don't fight panthers with my bare hands
Frick!
Wasn't it only a few weeks ago that the F1 drivers complained about their pay because the sport was supposedly so dangerous? There's been a single F1 death this millennium, it's barely more dangerous than soccer.
They complained some israelites wanted to keep the money instead of paying the headlining stars in a sport where it costs millions just to get in.
true and based. men who don't like cars are usually fruitcakes
i don't have a roll cage so i go fast on public roads :^)
Are there any antigrav fans here? If you like F-Zero and Wipeout, do you think Redout 2 is worth the price of admission?
if you like wipeout you should get ballisticng instead
Does BallisticNG not have Wipeout's barrel roll mechanic or any other boost-for-energy equivalent? I was interested in Redout because I heard that it combines Wipeout's physicality with F-Zero's raw speed and boost system, which sounds nice on paper but some people have also said the game is needlessly obtuse and ball busting even by antigrav standards. I doubt it's anything you can't handle if you've placed well on Phantom class Wipeout leaderboards or done the bulk of F-Zero content though
it has a selectable 2048 physics mode
I disliked redout, felt too floaty and not that interesting to control. top medals could be bruteforced by using the highest boost-energy-pool vehicle and saving up super boosts for acceleration after wallriding
dunno about redout 2
I love BallisticNG, but frick me, the campaign is just way too hard for me when it comes to the time trials and later levels. I feel like I do them almost flawlessly, but I'm always about 20 seconds too late from earning a bronze medal. I love the look, music, controls, track settings (not so much the tracks themselves), but it's too much for me sometimes. Had no issues with Redout 1+2 and most of Wipeout
Redout had this weird divide in corner layouts for me
most could be taken with zero effort, to the point where it didn't really matter what tactic I used. and then there were a couple that tightened up so much you needed to know ahead of time to slow down. nothing in between where I was racking my brain on how to get through there flat
1 was cool but in the end wall bouncing was too op. I heard they fixed it in 2 but eh whatever I can wait for lower price.
seriously get ballisticng. i would still recommend playing redout 1/2 because it's pretty fun but the wallriding and that strange unreal engine floatiness kind of kill it for me
I like this thread. Its a good thread.
It's getting kind of schizo in here, honestly.
Asphalt surfaces were a mistake.
My current favorite racing game is Dirt Rally 2.0. Is there any other nice and soulful racing game like it? I love the maps but some of the cars are meh (delete front wheel drive cars from this planet please). I tried a bit of F1 2020, but I much prefer rallying. Art of Rally was my Zen game and goty of whatever year it game out
see
better physics, 100 cars, about 400 stages, pacenote editor, in-depth car setups, endless amounts of online rallies to drive against people
are the phsycis legit better?
also your webms look really good graphics wise, is that the default graphics?
>are the phsycis legit better?
yes, they are so much more intuitive and granular it's no comparison to codies hack physics
>also your webms look really good graphics wise, is that the default graphics?
yeah it's default. everyone who uses reshade just seems to plaster bloom and terrible color correction over it for some reason.
it's an old game, but modders have put a lot of effort into stagemaking over the years. so the artstyle is on point.
Not that anon, but the cars feel much more "lightweight" in how they control. People say that Dirt Rally 2.0 is easier, but I actually find RBR to be much easier with how much traction you feel in comparison. The gearbox also acts much more realistically as well.
I havent touched RBR, but I'd imagine it has way older cars like from group B etc. Tons of power with no weight. The more modern cars in Dirt Rally 2.0 weight a lot more, but they are stabile as frick to drive and you can just throw them around and you'll come out on top.
>but I'd imagine it has way older cars like from group B etc
missed these two cutiepies
>tr*ns
Use drivetrain, homosexual
I didn't write the program I screenshotted that from
I'll give it a try. DR2 has a very gimmicky feel to it, this looks better
enjoy the rabbithole. once you got used to the driving register on the website, so you can drive online rallies. that's where the meat of the experience is
I sometimes come to these threads just to watch the RBR webms that inevitably crop up. There's something incredibly visually satisfying about how they flow.
I don't have a racing setup at all, most I've ever done is DR2.0 on an Xbox gamepad. Enjoyable, but not quite "there", fails to keep me invested. Been thinking about getting a mid-range wheel and seeing if it's the missing link for me.
something like a used G27 is well worth it. also RBR has some pretty good input filter tuning for controller and keyboard. so you can tweak the behavior to where you like it and get good times even without a wheel
I've played a dozen racing games from recent years and Dirt Rally 2.0 is still my favorite. RBR is the better rally game in regards to physics and quantity of levels, but DR2 is so much more immersive. Give BeamNG a shot when you get the chance. It's not really a racing game, but it actually simulates the vehicles mechanically and it does a really good job at making each car feel unique. It's not just a shitty meme game like I was led to believe from all the youtubers using it that way.
I think project cars 2 is also very good quality wise, but I play in wienerpit view.
A lot of complaints about project cars 2 are from people who play third person and feel the car is too stiff in that view
the wider the radius of the turn the faster you can go
there, you're now a certificed race car driver
Play Dirt Rally 2 and Project Cars 2 and you will understand what racing is about
fighting games, flightsims/simracing and strategy are the holy trio of gameplay
There needs to be more tarmac rally games that aren't Initial D.
I fricking hate tarmac rallying. DR2 is all of my experience of that and it has poisoned me. I hate how it feels and I hate how it sounds.
DR has terrible tarmac simulation because it's based around gravel and shit.
that's because tarmac in DR is just gravel with the grip turned up
RBR tarmac will soothe your soul
DR2 has awful tarmac rally.
>is more entertaining in your path
I don't understand cagers
cars
>higher top speed
>better cornering
>better speed retention
>better braking
>wider range of recoverable frickups lets you fish for the perfect balance of speed/safety in big steps
bikes
>better acceleration
>more visecral
>...
>you're either riding or dead so you never get to finger your peak potential itch
>you're either riding or dead
Nah, you're either riding or sliding on your butt
>cars
top speed
cornering
speed retention
braking
Then why is the fastest car lap of isle of man a full minute slower than the bikes
>better acceleration
it's right there
Because TT riders are fricking mental
>have suzuki shitbike
>oh cool maybe I'll check out their moto GP team
>Rins starts out OK for a couple races
>suzuki announces they're killing the team next year
Whelp
hanging or guillotine?
Firing squad I think
sudoku
when do you hop?
quick rundown on Formula One? what decides who wins?
The person who crosses the line first.
It's too complicated, if you don't understand cricket you won't understand F1
>what decides who wins?
The FIA gives the wins to the Black person unless a real driver like Max V absolutely crushes him
cars have an engine and aerodynamics. the team that manages to develop better both has the best car and is more likely to win
drivers make a difference but they can't outdrive faster cars. they give input that can help develop the car though
there's also strategy involved due to different tyres and due to a lot of "environmental friendly" bullshit that limit the cars' power
>environment regulations on cars
lmao wtf? I doubt race cars are even 0.001% of emissions
You're not supposed to mention that shit. And you're definitely not supposed to point out that just 15 cargo ships produce more emissions than all the motor vehicles on earth combined. Now shut the frick up, stop driving and eat the bugs.
Not that kind
burning tires?
It's just fuel consumption, which cycles in and out of relevance as a regulation periodically in racing and has lead to a lot of R&D in really neat efficiency boosting shit like e-turbos and pre-chamber ignition. The present strategic approach to an F1 race driven by the tires and engine/gearbox usage limits is to go as slow as possible anyways so they underfill the cars and save extra fuel to keep the weight down.
they have fuel limit. that forces the engines to more efficient and stuff like that, a lot of bs. f1 cars could be much faster than what they are now
due to the limits, they can juggle the fuel intake to have more or less power at different stages of the race
lmao Black what are you talking about. The fuel limit is never even in the equation because teams run as fuel-light as they think they can. The only major regulations slowing people down are ones put in by the FIA to somewhat balance the playing field.
Racing is technology development ground, things they figure out in races are eventually appearing in consumer cars. Start asking F1 teams to use less fuel and recover as much energy as possible during driving, and sooner or later they'll figure out something that can be applied to any car and reduce emmisions in there. Forcing them to work with those restrictions makes sense from environmental standpoint, even though f1 having some weekends is not impacting environment directly all too much.
Environmentalism is a spook. We solved the energy crisis and therefore the environmental "crisis" back in WWII, it's called nuclear energy and the reason nobody talks about it is because green energy is a multi trillion dollar international grift that rakes in money for specific interest groups and is designed to go nowhere.
>B-But muh chernobyl muh 3 mile island nuclear bad
Modern nuclear reactors are SO good at what they do that they not only shut down in complete safety when breached due to being sodium-cooled, they can even reuse depleted uranium to clean up our existing nuclear deposits. This information is suppressed for a reason.
nuclear powered racing when
Lizard has your back.
yes we should be using nuclear reactors but frick you homosexual for saying environmentalism doesn't matter. future generations of humans will have to live in the world we leave behind. don't be selfish. I've personally attacked and beaten someone who threw trash out of the window of my car while I was driving, and I suggest you do the same.
Let me amend my statement to mean that I was specifically talking about emissions and climate change, then. Because otherwise I'm big on environmentalism in terms of reducing pollution and waste, I come from an area that was so heavily impacted by waste deposits firsthand that the incidence of cancer per capita is almost 4x higher than the national average.
The reason nobody talks about it is because the development time of a nuclear energy facility is longer than most political office terms, and none of these rats want to stake their political career on literal billion-dollar facilities that won't be finished until they're out of office. Also,
>is because green energy is a multi trillion dollar international grift
In the US renewable energy makes up about 10% of our energy production, with oil and natural gas making up about 70%. Oil and gas lobbying outweighs renewable energy lobbying 4:1. Granted they both lobby against nuclear energy, if there's a group to point a finger at it isn't the damn battery salesmen in the corner.
You're ignoring independent orgs and donations, research grants, tax subsidies, carbon taxes, emission regulations allowing us resource control over less developed nations, etc. The lobbying is one thing but it's a multi-layered grift with shit like international green deals that become trillion dollar siphons for the rich and powerful paid for on tax dollars.
I'm not trying to argue with you that renewable energy isn't a massive global movement that stands to make some people very fricking rich. I'm saying that we stopped building nuclear facilities in the US in the 70s, before "renewable energy" was even a thing, and that anti-nuclear groups are, and have been since the 60s, backed mostly by oil & gas.
Yes that is definitely part of it. But you're also talking about a billion-dollar nuclear reactor and housing facility that has to be researched, tested, designed, built, staffed etc. It takes years to build a damn car plant, and those don't have the potential of irradiating half a state if something goes wrong.
>and that anti-nuclear groups are, and have been since the 60s, backed mostly by oil & gas.
Yeah but oil & gas is on the way out either way and even oil & gas companies have to realize that despite the lobbying and the stalling. Yesterday is yesterday and tomorrow's tomorrow, you would think the boards of these companies would be forward-thinking enough to rebrand or at least diversify into other types of energy distribution going forward. They certainly have the capital to do so and probably wouldn't give a shit to lay off or replace the parts of their workforce they can't inexpensively retrain to work with new materials.
oil isn't gonna dry up until after the current CEOs and executives are dead, so it's not their problem. Publishing increased profits next quarter is their problem and that's all they care about.
Capitalism does not allow for forward thinking, you must maximize quarterly profits whenever possible, even if it means fricking over your company's future. After all, the shareholders are the ones with the real financial power, and they can just sell their stock and hop to another company if your profits aren't growing fast enough, robbing you of capital.
Cheaper to lobby than it is to restructure your company.
Totally agree with you though, frick these old trust fund family homosexuals. Love me combustion engines but I don't have any fricking desire to keep burning god damn oil to power our cities like a couple of dystopian cavemen.
>the development time of a nuclear energy facility is longer than most political office terms
Because there is so much red tape in place because of NIMBY's and energy lobbyists that its almost impossible to go from approval to breaking ground.
depends on the level of simulation
also your image only makes sense on flat curves and most are not
Is he the GOAT driver?
'Goat' insomuch as that he eats garbage and shits outside? Yeah
>limitations
And that's why Group B rally was peak kino.
Have you ever actually raced anything?
I raced your mom to cumming last night.
I bet you won.
Always do, b***h.
In 2011 I had sex with 3 women.
>NOW WATCH
>AS I USE THE WALL
>TO HELP ME TURN
>all this talk about the Mercs being objectively the fastest on the track
I though F1 cars were regulated so that any one team wouldn't get too big of an advantage.
Was my F1-nut friend talking shit?
There are regulations that each car has to confirm to, but there is still a lot of freedom of design that each team has.
It isn't totally unregulated, but it isn't exactly stock car racing either. Everyone has to race on the same selection of tires. Car dimensions must be within certain ranges. There's a spending cap so that it isn't just a Mercedes/Red Bull/Ferrari pissing contest, but the cap is high enough to where if you're a lower (poorer) team you might have to go suck off a russian pedophile or two to staff your research team.
The car dimensions one is probably the most obvious. All of the cars on the track are limited to a certain width, length, ground clearance etc so they end up looking roughly similar to each other across the grid year-by-year. However, the teams are still in charge of shit like their engine, their aerodynamics, their suspension, etc so some cars are undoubtedly better than others.
And of course the proud F1 tradition of:
>Come up with new design/technology that isn't mentioned in the rules
>Dominate for a year
>New tech gets banned
rip lotus
gimi
Literally all of those can be simplified to
>Turn from the outside of the curve, inwards!
you might not like it but this is what real racing looks like
>get pitted into a wall in one of the corkscrews
>piece of shit comes around the bend and nails me without braking
>bantz for 30 seconds face to face while someone comes to unstuck us
Good times
GTAO is an underrated racing game.
The only F1 moment I know is when Kimi's car broke at Monaco then instead of going to the pit he walked to his yatch to drink
Kimi Raikkonen is indisputably the most based man on the planet.
>Interviewers ask the drivers questions about the future, technology and rules changes
>They all give varying thoughtful answers
>Kimi: "Bwoah I don't really care as long as it's fun to drive"