My bad maybe I should have just grabbed the pic instead. It's showing that the mold for the minis creates these huge chunks which detail wise is a disaster. Removing deets because its so small is fine, but having huge chunks of plastic go from the shoulder to the gun is horrendously bad.
?si=HHo2OTjk3rAKsso-&t=135
Look to the left. Even the official Warhammer channel cant hide that shit. I'm genuinely disappointed, as I was excited for the announcement for EPIC ""coming back"" again
Is it just me, or do the bases look like they were designed for normal 40k scale minis rather than epic scale? I mean, look at the squad in the center: The floor tiles under them would be like 10 feet wide, with six-inch gaps between the tiles.
>is this fun?
Yes. Its by far one of the best ruleset GW produced in the last 20 years, if only because a large part is lifted from Epic. They still managed to frick up some parts of it so its not halfway as good as it could be, and it loses a lot of its fun when you play larger games, which kinda goes against the spirit of the whole thing.
My bad maybe I should have just grabbed the pic instead. It's showing that the mold for the minis creates these huge chunks which detail wise is a disaster. Removing deets because its so small is fine, but having huge chunks of plastic go from the shoulder to the gun is horrendously bad.
?si=HHo2OTjk3rAKsso-&t=135
Look to the left. Even the official Warhammer channel cant hide that shit. I'm genuinely disappointed, as I was excited for the announcement for EPIC ""coming back"" again
He isn't wrong, its annoying as frick given how much you pay for it and GW is 100% capable of producing better 8mm infantry, it has to. But you really have to see the minis in person to realize how fricking small they are. 99% of the time, if you aren't autistic, you won't spot most chunks unless you are painting.
I have the fricking models and I cant see shit unless I literally look with a fricking magnifing glass. People are just fricking moronic and dont realize how goddamn small these things are. Its fricking smaller than my pinkie finger nail. Like 1/3rd of it.
I have the fricking models and I cant see shit unless I literally look with a fricking magnifing glass. People are just fricking moronic and dont realize how goddamn small these things are. Its fricking smaller than my pinkie finger nail. Like 1/3rd of it.
The problem is, you are paying GW prices, which are fricking asinine for a product that has clear issues, where other manufactures did not have these issues. Hell past Epic models did not have this problem, and these models are like 3x as much.
If it was the price of what epic used to be, no one would give a shit, but its fricking 2024, these are production issues that were solved in the fricking early 2000s.
My bad maybe I should have just grabbed the pic instead. It's showing that the mold for the minis creates these huge chunks which detail wise is a disaster. Removing deets because its so small is fine, but having huge chunks of plastic go from the shoulder to the gun is horrendously bad.
?si=HHo2OTjk3rAKsso-&t=135
Look to the left. Even the official Warhammer channel cant hide that shit. I'm genuinely disappointed, as I was excited for the announcement for EPIC ""coming back"" again
in every threads have to realize, the bases are about the size of a quarter. You will never be looking that close in person to those minis (unless you are willing to risk eye injury I guess).
Seeing those infantry is when I decided I wasn't going to bother with the new epic. If GW is going to be so cheap that they cannot be bothered to make the infantry 2 parts like they figured out in 1993, then I am not going to invest into it. I cant believe they think so little of their customers. I saw people posting their prints for months before the box actually game out, all of them looking amazing, only to have the official product look like utter shit. Also having imperial guard in the starter set was a non starter for me.
wait a while before making a post What the shit is this garbage
look man dickride GW all you want I'm not going to pay GW prices for dogshit that's worse than spincast independent models or 3d prints
GW will never thank you for your service you disgusting soi freak
This never fails to baffle me. I've seen 6mm scale 3D print models with 10x more detail than this 8mm or whatever the frick scale shit this garbage is.
I mean, they clearly rushed the release. From the models to the unusable tokens to the assembly booklet missing steps, its pretty fricking obvious. Hopefully they'll eventually fix the models...
There's a difference between 3D printing and injection molding, anon. Just because you can afford to spend 30 minutes printing a single batch of dudes doesn't mean GW can - and as a result of that, the molds need to be designed to, you know, allow both sides of the mold to separate.
if anyone needs to read your condescending stating of the obvious it's the GW design team. For years now, based on some of their monopose models I have in my collection, they have been sculpting without care for how the models will be made, and I'd bet good money are sliced for production using software with minimal human input.
It's one thing to sculpt and cast 6mm figures in metal or resin, or even 3D print them, but it's another thing entirely to cut steel molds for thermoplastic casting. Plastic is a finnicky b***h on smaller details and companies trying to tackle even 15mm have failed before (and it nearly bankrupt them)
My guess? Nobody who works at the GW of today bothered to consult anyone who worked at the GW of yesteryear about this project or what difficulties it might entail.
Lol you joking right?
Its one of the strongest unit.
Ideally you need some infantry because they provide so much staying power in comparison to everything else, but yeah, Solar Auxilia tank spam is insane.
The rules are based on one of GW's few genuinely good rulesets (with modern bloat added of course), but it's set in the marine autism containment era to save on costs. So it's better than 95% of their current game offerings, but if you have friends and aren't reliant on getting pick-up games you're much better off playing something like Epic Armageddon or NetEpic, both of which have had years and years of refinement and fine-tuning put into them.
Epic armageddon had completely different rules you stupid piece of shit. Epic armageddon has higher quality rules and that has nothing to do with the setting. Do you consoom whatever shitty rules GW gives you? Are you fricking moronic? Do you not know that epic armageddon is the best set of rules GW ever produced?
GW paypigs don't care about rules anon, only about "da lore" so they just accept fricking moronic outdated rulesets like 40k that are outdone mechanics-wise by chain of command.
>1988: Adeptus Titanicus. Titans fighting Titans during Horus Heresy. >1989: 1e Space Marine. Introduced epic scale space marines and tanks to be used with AT titans. >1991: 2x Space Marine. Moved the setting to 40k and introduced more factions. >1994: Titan Legions. Added more titans and equivalent. >1997: Epic 40,000. >2003: Epic Armageddon. >2018: Adeptus Titanicus. Titans fighting Titans during Horus Heresy. >2023: Legions Imperialis. Introduced epic scale space marines and tanks to be used with AT titans.
Give.
It.
A.
Few.
Years.
You missed the point of the post. I don't care about the time period it takes place in, I care about the rules. Epic Armageddon has a completely different ruleset compared to LI that's flat out better than it and everything else GW has ever made
And how close are Epic Armageddon rules to 1e Space Marine rules?
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Not close at all. They reworked the entire game system for the better, turned it into something more reminiscent of a historical game in terms of mechanics with command and control elements and simple yet also quite detailed rules
5 months ago
Anonymous
u really ate his ass up anon homie thought e:a and 1st ed epic were comparable
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>Not close at all.
Exactly. And we're roughly at 1e Space Marine stage of this new reboot. So, give it some time to develop.
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Development does not equal improvement. 40k for example doesn't improve every edition, it just changes for the sake of milking paypiggies
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Anonymous
Man there was like a good idea there with combat patrol. Should come with up to date data cards and 4 paints and a brush and emery board lol
That whole betwixt Kill Team and a 1,000 points was zesty until they just continually changed the rules.
At the end of the day I would have brought back more of a troop rewuirement and sllowed for a bariety of customisations rather than these whiggedy whack skills and strategems. Opportunity for a colourful card system for stratagems, orbital bombardemnt, psychic spells, assassins snd so on. A genersl deck and a faction deck. Like Memoir 44.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly I'd love if 40k just went back to being for small sized games (which suits 28mm anyway, 28mm isn't a good scale for modern 2000 point games with 100+ minis per side) and just added a bit more detail to make up for it. Like some command and control elements, bring back armor facings but simplify them a bit (maybe just copy what chain of command/what a tanker does? That's a good system for armor since it's less complex than 40k's old AV system yet more realistic and tactical than it). But yeah, 40k would be better if it were purely for small sized, low-ish model count games like pic related. Save the big engagements for epic scale and the tightly focused, small scale narrative skirmishing for 40k. And yeah, bring back the old force org chart.
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>space marine army with less than 30 models >ork horde army with less than 100 models
Kino. We need to go back.
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>old force org chart
Ok but make Leman Russes troops. Which we had means to do back in the day with whichever rules supllement.
5 months ago
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Beautiful pic.
5 months ago
Anonymous
Have you tried washing that sand out of your vegana?
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Anonymous
There is strong appeal in it just being a self contained game.
>Not close at all.
Exactly. And we're roughly at 1e Space Marine stage of this new reboot. So, give it some time to develop.
The problem is that there is absolutely no reason to "give it a few years" for GW to start selling the product we actually want. The game is already out there, people already play it. They write better rules and make better models than the owner of the IP, the only advantage that GW has is a factory full of injection presses and as you've been shown, they don't even know what they're doing with them. The smartest thing for GW to do would be to release a token rulebook and quietly sell models for NetEpic but evidently they took Not Killing The Fricking Golden Goose 101 out of the MBA track so here we are, looking at a completely unnecessary baby step toward a product they already sold 20 years ago
Epic Armageddon was mediocre. It was an attempt to recover the absolute dumpster fire that was Epic 40,000 without admitting fault, and heavily marred by Jervis' boner for Armageddon. Imagine if everything coming out for 40k today was limited to what could directly tie into Nachmund.
By the time they started releasing shit for factions people actually cared about, the damage was done and the game was dead again.
As awful as the minis and being limited to the Heresy era are, LI is Space Marine 2nd edition without the moronation of Titan Legions or the Ork/Chaos special units, which is the best possible iteration of the rules.
>Epic Armageddon >the version of Epic set in the Third Armageddon War >the war against Orks >in Warhammer 40,000 >started as HH era
You are so fricking moronic.
I have a full 3k point Night Lord army for HH 2.0. Also have a bunch of titanicus. I was stoked initially for legions imperialis but then thought better of it. Not buying another ruleset. Sorry I’m just not going to do it.
Here’s what I’m doing: I have a 3D printed and found a billion awesome HH epic scale STLs for free (galactic crusaders series).
I am printing and painting HH armies but in 8mm scale. I can legit print a 3k point army in a day. I can base and basecoat and wash an army in another day. Details on day 3.
In 3 days I can have a full 3k legion army done. I already have iron warriors and imperial fists. Plus I have full maniples for legio ignatum and legio interfector. Also have a nice 4x4 8mm scale ruined city scape battle board.
This is how I am going to play going forward. This is the right scale and right ruleset for me, not to mention I can bring it up to frickhugue 10k points per side battles, all at the cost of 10 bucks worth of resin.
Seriously boys get on board. This is the way to go.
Oh and I’m not changing any rules to match scale. Will still move and shoot in the base game inches, as well as squad coherency. It actually looks so much better at 8mm scale when armored units shooting at each other from 72 inches. Looks like real engagement ranges.
I unironically wanna trade all my 40k for a couple of starte sets and call it a day.
Just something about smsll scale that works really well for when the troop count is high like ancients or napolenics or where rifles and heavy artillery or sci fi weapons are being used and you want a bit of range. I wanna get into this and get some LoTR minis, I have made my autistic conclusions about gw and value lol
>Just something about smsll scale that works really well
This, getting these ready to get on the board is so fun and quick, for me its one of the big draw. Painting a base takes 10 minutes at most and you see your army grow really quickly.
Not really. It's a bit of a drag. They went back and, not knowing how to come up with rules anymore, resurrected Epic 2nd edition, which is objectively a worse game than Epic Armageddon. Then they copied NetEpic and gave it fully alternating activations by phase, which drags it out even more.
Then they upped the size of the minis, took the points cost of the units down, and decided 3000 pts was a nice pts level to have with a smaller gaming table than Epic was ever intended to.
That'd be me, I'm the personification of GW's pressure to maintain a given points value of game. And I can only do my job as long as idiots pay attention to me.
Like all Warhammer games not named Aged of Sigmar, it is wildly unbalanced, unclearly written, with uber overpiced terrain, and literally everyone who plays it complains afterwards regardless of wins or losses.
Related, but why do Warhammer players literally hate all of their games so fricking much, but can't stop buying and playing them? Players will have their day ruined in a game and then buy more pieces for that game in the same store visit. I just dont get it. Why would you do something that just makes you miserable? The minis are fantastic, but the games seem like rubbish.
Because the setting is so much better than everything out there you literally cannot go back. No matter how much better another systems rules are, all you can think is "man I wish there was a game set in the Warhammer 40,000 universe with these rules". People collect the models hoping and praying one day GW will release a better, more fun ruleset to use them in, and by that time they'll already have an army ready to go.
But... the 28mm rules are absolutely shit.
Like, it's unbelievable to me that any adult who has played alternating activation would willingly go back to IGOYOUGO
>Bring back game that died because they removed Squats and "revival" cut 90% of the armies. >Limit it to Imperial Guard vs. Marines. >With infantry models worse than most fly-by-night historicals.
> DoA > Been out of order ever since release
Is there something more pathetic than xenos player still asking to be taken seriously in the year 2024 of our Lord? I mean a lot of it probably comes from GW not understanding the demand but this is just fricking moronic.
Also, given how they had to fricking rush release for only 2 factions, imagine how fricking horrible the game would be if they had tried to release the whole 40k range in it right from the start. Balance is so bad that most are already defaulting to mirror matches.
>> Been out of order ever since release
moron nothing is in stock everywhere because GW can't produce enough shit. This is not a good sign. It means a bunch of potential players of these games are not breaking in and will bounce of and do something else with their money and there will not be a healthy sustainable playerbase in the long term.
It's probably the only GW 30/40K wargame that isn't total shit. It's not UGOIGO and the rules are actually sort of decent...
Until they ruin everything by releasing a billion books of course.
You get Legion Special Rules for each Legions in the core book.
They go from meaningless to absolutely game winning. Hopefully there are more choices on those down the line, and some fixes for the really stupid broken ones.
It's ok.
Horus Heresy is a good wargame setting but has less appeal because no Xenos.
You tell me
NTA but what am I looking at here? The pixels are the size of my mom so I can't really tell.
My bad maybe I should have just grabbed the pic instead. It's showing that the mold for the minis creates these huge chunks which detail wise is a disaster. Removing deets because its so small is fine, but having huge chunks of plastic go from the shoulder to the gun is horrendously bad.
?si=HHo2OTjk3rAKsso-&t=135
Look to the left. Even the official Warhammer channel cant hide that shit. I'm genuinely disappointed, as I was excited for the announcement for EPIC ""coming back"" again
Is it just me, or do the bases look like they were designed for normal 40k scale minis rather than epic scale? I mean, look at the squad in the center: The floor tiles under them would be like 10 feet wide, with six-inch gaps between the tiles.
>The floor tiles under them would be like 10 feet wide, with six-inch gaps between the tiles.
So a genuine 40k scale
>is this fun?
Yes. Its by far one of the best ruleset GW produced in the last 20 years, if only because a large part is lifted from Epic. They still managed to frick up some parts of it so its not halfway as good as it could be, and it loses a lot of its fun when you play larger games, which kinda goes against the spirit of the whole thing.
He isn't wrong, its annoying as frick given how much you pay for it and GW is 100% capable of producing better 8mm infantry, it has to. But you really have to see the minis in person to realize how fricking small they are. 99% of the time, if you aren't autistic, you won't spot most chunks unless you are painting.
I have the fricking models and I cant see shit unless I literally look with a fricking magnifing glass. People are just fricking moronic and dont realize how goddamn small these things are. Its fricking smaller than my pinkie finger nail. Like 1/3rd of it.
The problem is, you are paying GW prices, which are fricking asinine for a product that has clear issues, where other manufactures did not have these issues. Hell past Epic models did not have this problem, and these models are like 3x as much.
If it was the price of what epic used to be, no one would give a shit, but its fricking 2024, these are production issues that were solved in the fricking early 2000s.
Sure, but the c**ts spamming
in every threads have to realize, the bases are about the size of a quarter. You will never be looking that close in person to those minis (unless you are willing to risk eye injury I guess).
Seeing those infantry is when I decided I wasn't going to bother with the new epic. If GW is going to be so cheap that they cannot be bothered to make the infantry 2 parts like they figured out in 1993, then I am not going to invest into it. I cant believe they think so little of their customers. I saw people posting their prints for months before the box actually game out, all of them looking amazing, only to have the official product look like utter shit. Also having imperial guard in the starter set was a non starter for me.
wait a while before making a post What the shit is this garbage
look man dickride GW all you want I'm not going to pay GW prices for dogshit that's worse than spincast independent models or 3d prints
GW will never thank you for your service you disgusting soi freak
So they're shit quality, overpriced AND too small to even matter? Count me in!
The last time GW put out shit with this kind of issue was space hulk. They had gotten better.
This never fails to baffle me. I've seen 6mm scale 3D print models with 10x more detail than this 8mm or whatever the frick scale shit this garbage is.
I mean, they clearly rushed the release. From the models to the unusable tokens to the assembly booklet missing steps, its pretty fricking obvious. Hopefully they'll eventually fix the models...
>pic related IS 6mm
There's a difference between 3D printing and injection molding, anon. Just because you can afford to spend 30 minutes printing a single batch of dudes doesn't mean GW can - and as a result of that, the molds need to be designed to, you know, allow both sides of the mold to separate.
if anyone needs to read your condescending stating of the obvious it's the GW design team. For years now, based on some of their monopose models I have in my collection, they have been sculpting without care for how the models will be made, and I'd bet good money are sliced for production using software with minimal human input.
This is premium priced apathy and carelessness.
It's one thing to sculpt and cast 6mm figures in metal or resin, or even 3D print them, but it's another thing entirely to cut steel molds for thermoplastic casting. Plastic is a finnicky b***h on smaller details and companies trying to tackle even 15mm have failed before (and it nearly bankrupt them)
My guess? Nobody who works at the GW of today bothered to consult anyone who worked at the GW of yesteryear about this project or what difficulties it might entail.
>seems pretty soulless
The word soulless has lost all meaning at this point.
If I were to play Solar Auxilia would it be ok if I said that I didn't want to play against loyalists
Sure, but you might struggle to find PUGs depending on your local scene.
Better to just use the models to play tiny scale 30k instead of the Ligma ruleset imho.
Is there better 8mm or 6mm 3rd party scifi minis out there?
Is spamming Leman Russ tanks viable in LIgma?
Lol you joking right?
Its one of the strongest unit.
Ideally you need some infantry because they provide so much staying power in comparison to everything else, but yeah, Solar Auxilia tank spam is insane.
oh sweet
>epic scale
no, just no
So buy the existent 28mm versions instead of the new epic scale stuff. Are you moronic?
The rules are based on one of GW's few genuinely good rulesets (with modern bloat added of course), but it's set in the marine autism containment era to save on costs. So it's better than 95% of their current game offerings, but if you have friends and aren't reliant on getting pick-up games you're much better off playing something like Epic Armageddon or NetEpic, both of which have had years and years of refinement and fine-tuning put into them.
It's only fun if you use the models to play a better game against cooler factions.
>a better game
Which one?
Any with proper xeno support.
I went to grab my Commander Farsight to compare with yours and broke his arm. No biggie, I need to do some highlights on him anyways.
I would love to see your army.
It's not epic armageddon so it's automatically shit
Epic Armageddon started as HH era Adeptus Titanicus. Give it a few years.
Epic armageddon had completely different rules you stupid piece of shit. Epic armageddon has higher quality rules and that has nothing to do with the setting. Do you consoom whatever shitty rules GW gives you? Are you fricking moronic? Do you not know that epic armageddon is the best set of rules GW ever produced?
GW paypigs don't care about rules anon, only about "da lore" so they just accept fricking moronic outdated rulesets like 40k that are outdone mechanics-wise by chain of command.
>1988: Adeptus Titanicus. Titans fighting Titans during Horus Heresy.
>1989: 1e Space Marine. Introduced epic scale space marines and tanks to be used with AT titans.
>1991: 2x Space Marine. Moved the setting to 40k and introduced more factions.
>1994: Titan Legions. Added more titans and equivalent.
>1997: Epic 40,000.
>2003: Epic Armageddon.
>2018: Adeptus Titanicus. Titans fighting Titans during Horus Heresy.
>2023: Legions Imperialis. Introduced epic scale space marines and tanks to be used with AT titans.
Give.
It.
A.
Few.
Years.
You missed the point of the post. I don't care about the time period it takes place in, I care about the rules. Epic Armageddon has a completely different ruleset compared to LI that's flat out better than it and everything else GW has ever made
And how close are Epic Armageddon rules to 1e Space Marine rules?
Not close at all. They reworked the entire game system for the better, turned it into something more reminiscent of a historical game in terms of mechanics with command and control elements and simple yet also quite detailed rules
u really ate his ass up anon homie thought e:a and 1st ed epic were comparable
>Not close at all.
Exactly. And we're roughly at 1e Space Marine stage of this new reboot. So, give it some time to develop.
Development does not equal improvement. 40k for example doesn't improve every edition, it just changes for the sake of milking paypiggies
Man there was like a good idea there with combat patrol. Should come with up to date data cards and 4 paints and a brush and emery board lol
That whole betwixt Kill Team and a 1,000 points was zesty until they just continually changed the rules.
At the end of the day I would have brought back more of a troop rewuirement and sllowed for a bariety of customisations rather than these whiggedy whack skills and strategems. Opportunity for a colourful card system for stratagems, orbital bombardemnt, psychic spells, assassins snd so on. A genersl deck and a faction deck. Like Memoir 44.
Honestly I'd love if 40k just went back to being for small sized games (which suits 28mm anyway, 28mm isn't a good scale for modern 2000 point games with 100+ minis per side) and just added a bit more detail to make up for it. Like some command and control elements, bring back armor facings but simplify them a bit (maybe just copy what chain of command/what a tanker does? That's a good system for armor since it's less complex than 40k's old AV system yet more realistic and tactical than it). But yeah, 40k would be better if it were purely for small sized, low-ish model count games like pic related. Save the big engagements for epic scale and the tightly focused, small scale narrative skirmishing for 40k. And yeah, bring back the old force org chart.
>space marine army with less than 30 models
>ork horde army with less than 100 models
Kino. We need to go back.
>old force org chart
Ok but make Leman Russes troops. Which we had means to do back in the day with whichever rules supllement.
Beautiful pic.
Have you tried washing that sand out of your vegana?
There is strong appeal in it just being a self contained game.
The problem is that there is absolutely no reason to "give it a few years" for GW to start selling the product we actually want. The game is already out there, people already play it. They write better rules and make better models than the owner of the IP, the only advantage that GW has is a factory full of injection presses and as you've been shown, they don't even know what they're doing with them. The smartest thing for GW to do would be to release a token rulebook and quietly sell models for NetEpic but evidently they took Not Killing The Fricking Golden Goose 101 out of the MBA track so here we are, looking at a completely unnecessary baby step toward a product they already sold 20 years ago
Epic Armageddon was mediocre. It was an attempt to recover the absolute dumpster fire that was Epic 40,000 without admitting fault, and heavily marred by Jervis' boner for Armageddon. Imagine if everything coming out for 40k today was limited to what could directly tie into Nachmund.
By the time they started releasing shit for factions people actually cared about, the damage was done and the game was dead again.
As awful as the minis and being limited to the Heresy era are, LI is Space Marine 2nd edition without the moronation of Titan Legions or the Ork/Chaos special units, which is the best possible iteration of the rules.
>Epic 40,000
pearls to swine
If I want to play an abstract Avalon Hill wargame, I'll dig out a copy of Tactics II and not bother painting minis.
like I said, pearls to swine
Anon we know you're moronic you didn't have to tell us
>Epic Armageddon
>the version of Epic set in the Third Armageddon War
>the war against Orks
>in Warhammer 40,000
>started as HH era
You are so fricking moronic.
nta but don't know how you could struggle with that simple sentence
Anon how fricking stupid are you.
replying to obviously wilfully obtuse shitposters? kinda stupid
just filling in time before work though
IDK, I enjoy the game. It's a nice change of pace from painting larger details and I like the higher focus on vehicle painting.
I have a full 3k point Night Lord army for HH 2.0. Also have a bunch of titanicus. I was stoked initially for legions imperialis but then thought better of it. Not buying another ruleset. Sorry I’m just not going to do it.
Here’s what I’m doing: I have a 3D printed and found a billion awesome HH epic scale STLs for free (galactic crusaders series).
I am printing and painting HH armies but in 8mm scale. I can legit print a 3k point army in a day. I can base and basecoat and wash an army in another day. Details on day 3.
In 3 days I can have a full 3k legion army done. I already have iron warriors and imperial fists. Plus I have full maniples for legio ignatum and legio interfector. Also have a nice 4x4 8mm scale ruined city scape battle board.
This is how I am going to play going forward. This is the right scale and right ruleset for me, not to mention I can bring it up to frickhugue 10k points per side battles, all at the cost of 10 bucks worth of resin.
Seriously boys get on board. This is the way to go.
Oh and I’m not changing any rules to match scale. Will still move and shoot in the base game inches, as well as squad coherency. It actually looks so much better at 8mm scale when armored units shooting at each other from 72 inches. Looks like real engagement ranges.
Can share pics if you guys want to see.
Yes plz sounds rad
Frick yes please share pics that sounds amazing
Its good but there isn’t rules for much right now and flyers are broke because of it.
I unironically wanna trade all my 40k for a couple of starte sets and call it a day.
Just something about smsll scale that works really well for when the troop count is high like ancients or napolenics or where rifles and heavy artillery or sci fi weapons are being used and you want a bit of range. I wanna get into this and get some LoTR minis, I have made my autistic conclusions about gw and value lol
>Just something about smsll scale that works really well
This, getting these ready to get on the board is so fun and quick, for me its one of the big draw. Painting a base takes 10 minutes at most and you see your army grow really quickly.
are these original bases? I read they are thinner for LI so troops seem closer to the ground
Yes. The relief is the same.
Not really. It's a bit of a drag. They went back and, not knowing how to come up with rules anymore, resurrected Epic 2nd edition, which is objectively a worse game than Epic Armageddon. Then they copied NetEpic and gave it fully alternating activations by phase, which drags it out even more.
Then they upped the size of the minis, took the points cost of the units down, and decided 3000 pts was a nice pts level to have with a smaller gaming table than Epic was ever intended to.
>and decided 3000 pts
Ok, but who is forcing you to play at any point higher than 1500?
That'd be me, I'm the personification of GW's pressure to maintain a given points value of game. And I can only do my job as long as idiots pay attention to me.
Buy more models.
Like all Warhammer games not named Aged of Sigmar, it is wildly unbalanced, unclearly written, with uber overpiced terrain, and literally everyone who plays it complains afterwards regardless of wins or losses.
Related, but why do Warhammer players literally hate all of their games so fricking much, but can't stop buying and playing them? Players will have their day ruined in a game and then buy more pieces for that game in the same store visit. I just dont get it. Why would you do something that just makes you miserable? The minis are fantastic, but the games seem like rubbish.
laying it on a bit thick, you would have got more of the attention you crave if you didn't insist on being completely unsubtle
Because the setting is so much better than everything out there you literally cannot go back. No matter how much better another systems rules are, all you can think is "man I wish there was a game set in the Warhammer 40,000 universe with these rules". People collect the models hoping and praying one day GW will release a better, more fun ruleset to use them in, and by that time they'll already have an army ready to go.
For me, it’s using Horus Heresy 2.0 ruleset at 8mm scale.
Is it actually good and fun?
But... the 28mm rules are absolutely shit.
Like, it's unbelievable to me that any adult who has played alternating activation would willingly go back to IGOYOUGO
Are Eldar in yet? If not then it wont be my cup of tea.
>Bring back game that died because they removed Squats and "revival" cut 90% of the armies.
>Limit it to Imperial Guard vs. Marines.
>With infantry models worse than most fly-by-night historicals.
What the frick were they thinking.
Netepic armageddon is better and more fun.
DoA because it's horus heresy, missing all the core factions of 40k that give the setting the variety that actually makes it good
Sorry to break it to you, but 80% of 40k players play some kinds of space marine
Not even close. Space Marines are a plurality, they aren't even a majority.
> DoA
> Been out of order ever since release
Is there something more pathetic than xenos player still asking to be taken seriously in the year 2024 of our Lord? I mean a lot of it probably comes from GW not understanding the demand but this is just fricking moronic.
Also, given how they had to fricking rush release for only 2 factions, imagine how fricking horrible the game would be if they had tried to release the whole 40k range in it right from the start. Balance is so bad that most are already defaulting to mirror matches.
>> Been out of order ever since release
moron nothing is in stock everywhere because GW can't produce enough shit. This is not a good sign. It means a bunch of potential players of these games are not breaking in and will bounce of and do something else with their money and there will not be a healthy sustainable playerbase in the long term.
Hey remember when less than a year ago space marines lost a popularity contest to tyranids despite it being stacked in their favor?
It's probably the only GW 30/40K wargame that isn't total shit. It's not UGOIGO and the rules are actually sort of decent...
Until they ruin everything by releasing a billion books of course.
How do they differentiate the different legions?
They have different colors.
You get Legion Special Rules for each Legions in the core book.
They go from meaningless to absolutely game winning. Hopefully there are more choices on those down the line, and some fixes for the really stupid broken ones.