Anyone else hate it when a work just gets away with blatantly ripping stuff off? Especially when they hide behind "homage" or "reference". This is why games are so shit now, there's no originality. It's fricking disgusting is what it is.
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RATku has never kissed his wife.
Sonic doesn't even have a wife.
But he still slaying more puss
Sonic isn't a literal moron, though?
Oh yes he is.
>Sega was smart to keep it to just super sonic
... Mate.
I think he means not going Super Sonic 2, Super Sonic 3, Super Sonic 4, Super Sonic but hes red, Super Sonic but hes Blue, Ultra Instinct Sonic
I legit have no clue how people cares for Gokus 7 other transformations that mean nothing
>game after sonic 2(super sonics intro) introduces hyper sonic
>theres been werewolf sonic, nega sonic, excalibur sonic and like 50 comic exclusive powered up Sonics
Stop.
Those are all game exclusive separate forms, not replacements allowing super sonic to maintain its appeal
>gets called out
>"b-b-but"
shut up
I accept your concession, those forms aren't direct upgrades making the other forms worthless like in dragonball. End of conversation
I accept your concession
>say "Sega was smart to keep it to just super sonic"
>get shown 7 different sonic transformations
>THOSE DON'T COUNT
okay moron
DON'T COUNT
Correct
Keep grasping at nothing homosexual
sure, you keep moving your goalpost moron
No one is though
no one except you that is
>making things up that never happened
>say one thing
>get proven wrong
>change the claim so that the response is no longer true
>get called out
>"didn't happen"
if you say so
the claim
Even did that happen?
*When
>Super saiyen lost it's appeal when there's like a bazillion different varients of it, Sega was smart to keep it to just super sonic
>here's all the super sonic variants
>those don't count!
do you have brain damage?
>Even did that happen?
ah i see
yes, those last 2 replies were what you used to change your original claim. are you seeing it now?
also
>I think he means not going Super Sonic 2, Super Sonic 3, Super Sonic 4, Super Sonic but hes red, Super Sonic but hes Blue, Ultra Instinct Sonic
what do you think super sonic but blue eyes and super sonic but black is if not a recolor of the original super sonic?¿
game exclusive separate forms, not replacements allowing super sonic to maintain its appeal
>game exclusive separate forms, not replacements allowing super sonic to maintain its appeal
you're unwilling to accept that they're variants because they're exclusive? what does that even mean anyways? dragon ball has exclusive transformations in the same vein lol, ss4, semi super saiyan, ultra ego and blue kaioken are all exclusive to either a movie, the manga or a specific show.
shouldn't have to repeat it but i'll do it anyways
>Super saiyen lost it's appeal when there's like a bazillion different varients of it, Sega was smart to keep it to just super sonic =/= game exclusive separate forms, not replacements allowing super sonic to maintain its appeal
He's basically saying that sonic is fine because they're one offs that you'll never see again while dbz just replaces the last one and we never see it again.
Even though that's wrong since we've seen just about every canon saiyan form in super
>Even though that's wrong since we've seen just about every canon saiyan form in super
it's also false for Z. we saw ss and ss2 return for the buu saga even after being introduced to ss3
SS3 was cursed from birth by being massively underused.
It was basically used for only a small part of the last Z saga, the start of super where it jobbed to beerus before getting replaced by God/Blue, and the end of super when Goku was just showcasing all his forms to backtinglers without doing anything with it unless i forget something.
Of course, there's was also gotenks and GT, but those also didn't give it much of a spotlight and that's sad. It's a great looking form.
it's weird that they didn't go back to its design but did incorporate the original concept art for it into beast gohan and ultra ego vegeta
I understand by now that you are baiting like a moron, but tell me, how many of those forms actually stuck past their games and replaced super sonic? Because that's what super saiyan 2 did to 1,and then God and 4 did to 2, and then blue tried to do to the same to God but somehow both stayed.
If sonic still had the werehog bullshit and it was better than SS so that was what he uses all the time i'd understand it, but so far the ONLY transformation that persists is the Super Sonic one and only recerntly we got SS2. All these forms are a bazillion versions of SONIC, not the SUPER SONIC TRANSFORMATION.
>hyper sonic
>super sonic 2
>super sonic cyber
>All these forms are a bazillion versions of SONIC, not the SUPER SONIC TRANSFORMATION.
you are moronic
>and then blue tried to do to the same to God but somehow both stayed.
All of the saiyan forms stayed you dipshit. That's the point, sonic is objectively worse in that regard because you'll get 500 forms you'll only ever see once but when it comes to dragonball the only one we don't see regularly is great ape. SS1, 2, 3, all appeared after their introductory arc and after the next transformation was introduced.
Goten and Trunks used SS1 all the time and it was the form Goku used at the last moment against buu and then he used it against beerus.
Goku fought vegeta, black, Caulifla and kale in ss2 and Caulifla and kale used it themselves.
SS3 was used against beerus, future Trunks and very briefly in the ToP.
Can you say the same about the other sonic transformations? Frick no. You can't even say that about Hyper, Super 2 and cyber because Iizuka wants Super to be the be all end all so once you see them they immediately go in the trash. To add insult to injury even fricking GT used Super Saiyan.
Read the reply chain before posting next time
you're making less and less sense with every post
The whole point is that SSJ lost it's appeal because of all the new upgrades and variants they added. It was replaced because it no longer was the end all be all of power for the characters, and anyone who could only go SSJ was just a jobber. You're arguing a completely different point.
>say that there wasn't a "bazillion" sonic forms
>corrected by everyone be cause there are more sonic forms than saiyan forms
>then try to claim that SS forms never get shown again
>get corrected again with examples
>somehow think you old btfo'd post still holds relevance
Are you moronic?
>>say that there wasn't a "bazillion" sonic forms
No one said that
>>then try to claim that SS forms never get shown again
No one said that
super sonic has not been made irrelevant
you only see ssj1 for two seconds as a "oooh look we remember" before goku goes into blue when the fight actually starts
dragon ball has lots of "stepping stone" forms that are made irrelevant by the next one
>super sonic has not been made irrelevant
which is why sega keeps throwing new and stronger transformations in the games and also why the fandom goes bananas whenever they see them
>you only see ssj1 for two seconds as a "oooh look we remember" before goku goes into blue when the fight actually starts
idk about super but Z finishes with goku killing buu in his super saiyan 1 form.
>dragon ball has lots of "stepping stone" forms that are made irrelevant by the next one
they still found ways to actually make them relevant. many fights in super and z have our heroes powering down to an "inferior" transformation because it's either faster or it doesn't use as much energy
>which is why sega keeps throwing new and stronger transformations in the games
They don't
>idk about super but Z finishes with goku killing buu in his super saiyan 1 form.
He finishes him with the spirit bomb, he only uses SSJ to further push it into buu. The actual fight he's using SSJ3 as much as possible
>They don't
They do and the last game in particular had 2
They did it a total of 4 times in the series 30 year history, and only 2 are specifically "new and stronger transformations", and only one of those is really considered "canon". This is not something that happens with any sort of frequency.
>the last game in particular had 2
They were the same thing
>They did it a total of 4 times
wrong
>and only 2 are specifically "new and stronger transformations"
also wrong
>and only one of those is really considered "canon"
lol
>This is not something that happens with any sort of frequency.
it does, which is why i brought it up
>They were the same thing
i guess i can concede that
>wrong
>it does, which is why i brought it up
>Hyper
>Darkspine
>Excalibur
>"Cyber"
Am I missing any? And don't fricking say Werehog, that's literally Sonic's equivalent of the great ape.
>b-but it's a new transformation
Literally moving the goalpost, the argument is about SUPER transformations and specifically whether or not they overshadow/undermine the appeal of Super Sonic
>also wrong
The two storybook forms aren't shown to do anything super Sonic can't do, Excalibur Sonic is literally just Sonic with a stronger sword that can fly
>lol
Even with Sonic Team insisting everything is canon they still actively refuse to acknowledge the existence of Hyper Sonic
>Even with Sonic Team insisting everything is canon they still actively refuse to acknowledge the existence of Hyper Sonic
You hear yourself?
>Literally moving the goalpost, the argument is about SUPER transformations
Speaking of moving goalposts
>The two storybook forms aren't shown to do anything super Sonic can't do, Excalibur Sonic is literally just Sonic with a stronger sword that can fly
Ty for confirming that you didn't play the games
So it is a different transformation
>You hear yourself?
I only bring it up because otherwise I can just dismiss the argument by just pointing out that every new form is a one time thing. I'm kinda steel manning your argument by even considering all of Sonic's other forms despite the fact they're never going to appear again. The fact that Hyper was also a one off AND not even considered canon only makes it even less relevant to your argument.
>Speaking of moving goalposts
It's literally not, the entire fricking argument revolves around the relevance of SUPER Sonic compared to SUPER Saiyan, you yourself said 'new and STRONGER' forms. Hell, by your logic you can say great ape and Kao-Ken made SSJ irrelevant before it even existed
>So it is a different transformation
>Kao-Ken x2 is a different transformation from Kao-Ken x1
Ok moron
>Kao-Ken x1
The average intelligence of a sonic fan
>They were the same thing
kind of? one is an actual power up over super sonic and the other one is super sonic 2 powering up even further by reusing cyber energy
They explain it as Sonic holding back to not expend all the energy at once, which is why he says he's "going all out" for the final blow, and visually changes
Which would mean that cyber is a new form
>you only see ssj1 for two seconds
Which is funny because it's the most frequently appearing form in the series.
>you only see ssj1 for two seconds as a "oooh look we remember" before goku goes into blue when the fight actually starts
Yeah like that time Goku went blue when he pushed Jiren off with Frieza.
Or the time Broly destroyed Goku and Vegeta using Blue.
>dragon ball has lots of "stepping stone" forms that are made irrelevant by the next one
It really doesn't.
>form literally appearing for a blink
literally proving my point moron
nice way to ignore he did not use it once during the entire 3 hour fight but wow, he went ssj1 for 0.5 seconds there see? it's not irrelevant!
>w-well broly used it + he didn't use blue so there!
yes, as a stepping stone for legendary
not really helping your case here
it's not like Broly has blue anyways and if he did, he would use it instead, proving my point that it makes regular super saiyan irrelevant and pure nostalgiawank marketing
>nice way to ignore he did not use it once during the entire 3 hour fight but wow, he went ssj1 for 0.5 seconds there see? it's not irrelevant!
>He finishes him with the spirit bomb, he only uses SSJ to further push it into buu.
those moments alone are still more than what the other sonic transformations got lol. but that's still ignoring the other point:
>they still found ways to actually make them relevant. many fights in super and z have our heroes powering down to an "inferior" transformation because it's either faster or it doesn't use as much energy
>those moments alone are still more than what the other sonic transformations got lol
Literally how? Every time a new form was introduced it was used to finish the fight
>that's still ignoring the other point:
>they still found ways to actually make them relevant.
Whether or not they're "technically" still used or relevant is besides the point being made that the original SSJ is overshadowed by the existence of stronger upgrades that undermine it and make it less special
What exactly do you think overshadowed means anon?
>Literally how? Every time a new form was introduced it was used to finish the fight
it literally wasn't and you even complained about it earlier
>Whether or not they're "technically" still used or relevant is besides the point being made that the original SSJ is overshadowed by the existence of stronger upgrades that undermine it and make it less special
well that seems more than a little arbitrary? super sonic 2 and hyper sonic certainly do undermine how special the original super sonic is. in fact so does the mere fact that he can get any other transformations at all.
>Every time a new form was introduced it was used to finish the fight
Are you talking about dragonball or sonic? Because that's only happened about twice in DB.
I'm talking about Sonic's transformations
>super sonic 2 and hyper sonic certainly do undermine how special the original super sonic is. in fact so does the mere fact that he can get any other transformations at all.
They don't because, at least in the case of the cyber transformation (it's not officially called super Sonic 2 btw), it was only possible because of very specific circumstances that can't be replicated and is essentially just an extra form of energy stacked on top of Super Sonic. Hyper Sonic is actively disowned by Sonic Team and effectively considered not canon, even in spite of treating everything else canon
>Hyper Sonic is actively disowned by Sonic Team and effectively considered not canon, even in spite of treating everything else canon
That is wrong, Super Emeralds are in Mania and show signs of being used, Iizuka mentions them and Hyper Sonic is in the encyclospeedia.
>it's not officially called super Sonic 2 btw
It's literally called Super Sonic 2 in the internal files
Internal files == text
Developers use different names for internal files all the time. Smash Bros uses the name "Trail" to refer to Sora in it's internal files for instance
Fine Starfall Super Sonic.
Call it whatever you want but it's considered a new form
>Fine Starfall Super Sonic
No that's a homosexual name
>literally proving my point
By showing a moment where it was given the climax of the arc? Where Goku didn't in fact change into blue?
How does that prove your point when it clearly goes against it? Are you also going to claim that his fight with Kale and Caulifla only briefly showed SS1 and 2 because he used blue briefly? Oh wait You did use that argument right here for broly even though he was in SS longer than he was in Legendary.
Anyway the whole stepping stone idea misses the entire point of forms in Dragonball, it's not like an objective infinite power up like super sonic is, it's only as strong as the user is which is why you can have a situation where forms aren't irrelevant in Dragonball. Not to mention different forms have different drawbacks which is why Goku starts off in SS2, hell he uses SS2 more than SS3 in the manga.
I don't understand why you're trying to argue like you know what you're talking about because you clearly don't.
>Not to mention different forms have different drawbacks which is why Goku starts off in SS2, hell he uses SS2 more than SS3 in the manga.
I forgot to add against kid buu.
confession denied, both of you.
>Hypersonic
That was only 1 game additional in a expansion so they gave you more shit to collect
>Werewolf
Be for real
>Nega
Google doesnt even think thats real
>Excalibur
Thats fricking gear, thats like saying Gokus winter jacket is a transformation
>50 comic exclusive powerups
HA
Hyper Sonic is the only one that is actually a direct upgrade to Super Sonic (ala SSJ1, SSJ2, SSJ3, etc.), and from what I remember, Sonic Team has explicitly stated that it's never coming back.
Super sonic 2 is a thing
you have not been keeping up with sonic have you
There have been a few iterations recently where he is dumber than SUPER goku of all things.
And if we take Z Goku into the comparison instead (Like the OP picture) = they're even.
And if we are so dire that we take funimation Z goku into comparison then he's actually smarter
Goku is brain damaged and stunted from living alone for the majority of his life. He isnt moronic. He is amazingly well adjusted considering his circumstances.
I like super sonic better. Super saiyen lost it's appeal when there's like a bazillion different varients of it, Sega was smart to keep it to just super sonic
>it's
>Sega was smart to keep it to just super sonic
lol
Relative forms, mostly depending on the environement =/= Forms that overshadow the previous ones
And yet you'll see more super saiyan than you will any other sonic form other than super.
>super sonic
>not canon
>not canon
>not canon
>not canon but awesome
>canon but not super sonic
>not canon
>not canon
compelling
>super sonic variant
>super sonic variant
>different
>super sonic variant
>super sonic variant
>furry
>super sonic wannabe
>gay sonic
Super saiyen lost it's appeal when there's like a bazillion different varients of it
>4 different super sonic variants
>not canon
Do you even play the games?
>Do you even play the games?
yes which is why I know evil super sonic from the british comic isn't in the games dumbfrick
Talking about the Storybook forms, Hyper, and Prism Sonic, all of which are confirmed to be canon.
What's the last one?
Rings a bell but I can't remember
It's from Sonic Prime
>Hyper Sonic
Blatantly DBZ, which ironically was the cutoff as quoted by the devs so they wouldn't get sued. This was stated in an interview somewhere, don't remember where. I believe it's also the reason they don't bring back Hyper either, to avoid potential lawsuits.
>darkspine
Honestly, I have no idea what the frick this even supposed to be. According to the wiki, Darkspine is actually a weirdly fricked up form, because Sonic only uses the power of THREE World Rings (the emeralds of SR) and still has superpowers, but apparently not as much as Super. He can also die normally in this form, so he's definitely not invincible either. So we don't really know what Darkspine's "true" form is with all 7 rings. It would be interesting for the main series to try a similar concept with using numbers of Emeralds at the time, but far be it from Sega to do something interesting...
>Dark Sonic
Anime only, very not canon. Utilized the "negative energy" of the emeralds, even though they are supposedly fake. I feel like the series also used "negative energy" in some regard, but I can't remember what. Basically the Gogeta of the franchise, there for 10 seconds and insanely popular back in the day. Especially in those flash animations. These days though, he's more like a footnote.
>Crazy Super Sonic
VERY not canon. Also a UK idea. Comic exclusive.
>Werehog
Not even a Super form, just a weird gimmick idea that makes no fricking sense. No idea where the stretchiness comes from, but the super strength makes sense at least.
>Excalibur Sonic
Basically Super Sonic in knight mode. But at least according to the transformation cutscene, Excalibur is NOT Super Sonic, the armor and sword grant him powers. It's a very silly idea, but it looks cool.
>Cyber Super Sonic
I haven't played Frontiers yet, but all I know is that he absorbs the corruption or some shit. But it's another variant of Super Sonic.
So you got 4/8. That's a failing grade. Better luck next time.
>Blatantly DBZ, which ironically was the cutoff as quoted by the devs so they wouldn't get sued. This was stated in an interview somewhere, don't remember where. I believe it's also the reason they don't bring back Hyper either, to avoid potential lawsuits.
Are you moronic? They're avoiding bringing Hyper because of the power creep, that's literally what was stated in the interview, to keep Super Sonic special, DBZ didn't invent transformations, plus, 90% of shonen feature transformations on top of transformations. And does Hyper share any similarity with Dragon Ball in either looks or how it's achieved.
>to keep Super Sonic special,
Which is hilarious since super sonic hasn't been special for years now BECAUSE they kept on using it.
Before Frontiers, the last time Super Sonic was actually used in the story was 2011. And nobody thinks it isn't special anymore from a gameplay standpoint since it'd been completely absent in regular gameplay throughout the 00s
>the last time Super Sonic was actually used in the story was 2011.
Mania, dipshit. Then you have Super Stars after Forces
>Forces
Frontiers even
Probably should've specified 3D mainline games.
>And nobody thinks it isn't special anymore from a gameplay standpoint since it'd been completely absent in regular gameplay throughout the 00s
That doesn't mean that people don't see it as boring now and even if it wasn't accessible in the same way it was in 2 and 3K it was still always present as the end for just about every game.
>That doesn't mean that people don't see it as boring now
People were hyped when he came back for the titans boss fights
Personally I just think it's funny because Eggman has so far been the ONLY villain to create a threat strong enough to warrant Hyper Sonic, meaning Chaos, Gaia, The End, Mother Wisp, Biolizard and whatever other galactic ending forces are NOT strong enough to bust out Hyper. At least, that's the canon so far. I don't think the devs thought this through.
See what I mean? Literal GODS haven't pushed Sonic that far, but some fat theme park obsessed manchild has? Come the frick on.
>Utilized the "negative energy" of the emeralds, even though they are supposedly fake.
you can use chaos control with a fake emerald so why not negative energy. The series used negative energy in adventure 1 with chaos taking all the negative energy and sonic using whats left for super sonic.
I like to think of super saiyan 2 and 3 as just extended versions of the original super saiyan form. Super Saiyan 2 is just unlocking the forms full potential after adapting to the transformation, while super saiyan 3 is just pushing the form to its absolute limits
The shit part is they already did that fighting the androids and the early forms of cell with the grade 2, 3, and 4 nonsense leading up to full blown super saiyan 2.
Nah that was like a steroid user abusing his body to pump his muscles for show while ssj2 is mastery of your body's potential and gaining new heights of power
Yeah i get that its just funny how it existed right before itself for like a 10 episode stretch. Id honestly remove the grade system but the vegeta vs semi perfect cell fight is basically the only time in the series he doesnt job
>using fan terminology
those alternate states aren't in between states, they are just a consequence of powering up non-stop. Cell could do it because is not a real transformation.
SSJ2 is a literal new transformation, product of getting angry while already having mastered SSJ1. Is unironically a Super Super Saiyan.
Yes im using fan terminology if theres nothing else to call it, this is Ganker not some article im writing
Nta but i don't really consider it a new transformation, it just doesn't feel like one. It's more like unlocking the true potential of the same transformation if that makes any sense
yeah Super Saiyan 2 was just Grade 5 of Super Saiyan, essentially "Go Super Saiyan while you're already Super Saiyan", and 3 is "overclock the transformation as far as it can possibly go like installing nitro into a hot rod (turns out this sucks if you use it for more than 10 seconds)"
SS3 feels like an actual concept of "Going super saiyan when super saiyan" from looks, power and the way it was achieved by literally risking the entire earth to crumble from the transformation process. It should have been the true SS2, because "Actual" SS2 is literally just "SS1 but sparkly lmao"
Yeah I agree, SSj2 is more like Master Super Saiyan and should have been that, but 3 goes so far it feels more like "What if I went Super Saiyan on top of Super Saiyan on top of Super Saiyan on top of..."
what a hairline
Jp audience is more into the "sparking" concept than western audiences. They always bring it up while westerners consider it a fake powerup
>Sega was smart to keep it to just super sonic
The very next game has Super Tail, the sequel/add--on to that game introduced Super Knuckles and Hyper Sonic. What the frick are you talking about?
Anon, read the thread.
He's legitimately deranged.
Dangerously based anon for making so many Mexicans seethe by just sharing a safe opinion.
Cute Arale
>inspires Mario
>inspires Sonic
Man, shame he died so soon.
Arale is so frickable it's unreal
Yep
Also Link stole from Peter Pan
I love super sonic and I love super saiyans
I'm gonna put super saiyans and chaos emeralds in my game just to piss you off OP
Originality sucks, make something you know is good
>"Coming up with your own ideas is haaaaaard! Just steal."
...
Look at you, anon. Did you think your post was original? It was not. It was fricking not. You stole everything and then had the audacity to put quote marks while greentexting. You are a fraud and a liar.
>desperate to avoid the topic
So are you just in denial that Sonic plagiarized Dragon Ball, or...?
Everybody steals, anon. Even Jesus.
You're right, we should gather up all the hacks in the world and execute them. Let's get to making media actually meaningful again.
Both ripped off The secret of NIMH
sonic = goku
shadow = vegeta
tails = krillin
knuckles = piccolo
amy = chi chi
rouge = ???
cream = ???
dr. robotnik = dr. gero
big the cat = yajirobe
silver = trunks
>rouge = ???
Freeza
E-102 Gamma = Android 16
Perfect Cell reminds me of Perfect Chaos naming convention-wise. But I guess he'd be more like that robot from the GBA games that copies powers. although Metal Sonic does that in Heroes. Its a toss-up
Tails reminds me of kid Gohan
Cream is Pan. Or maybe Krillin's daughter. Chaouzu is Cheese if that makes sense.
>Chaouzu is Cheese if that makes sense.
No, it really doesn't. Because that would make Cream Tien. Stop being moronic for once in your life.
>Cream = Tien
both can fly
both are overpowered
they are similar
... I appear to have inadvertently posted this thread during moron hours. Clearly that was a might silly of me.
cope
wow you're right and the similaities do not end there. Both are flesh colored. Tien is the strongest human and Cream is the strongest in the advance games.
>pic
Never draw again. In fact, you should just cut off your hands to prevent such a godawful travesty from ever happening again.
cope
Cream = Tien is canon now
E-102 is Android 8
Chaos Emeralds = Dragon Balls
How the frick did Toei not sue Sega into the dirt over that shit? Fricking limp-dicked cowards.
Toei do not own Dragon Ball, moron.
Well why didn't whoever owned it at the time sue them then?
One of the original creators of Sonic said chaos emeralds were not inspired by DB.
and you believed him?
Yes, also their functionalities are different, and the original count was 6
What does a chaos emerald do exactly?
Create chili dogs
Neat. Thanks.
It's weird to me that they covered his mouth and stomach with beige fur, I always interpreted those as fleshy bits
Each is a source of unlimited energy, output amplified when in close proximity to another.
In addition they allow tampering with local spacetime to do things like teleport, freeze time, and time travel.
Tails explained it as a israeliteel that provides near infinite power. As for what "power" means it varies on the user/usecase. In Tails case he powered his flying Tornado jet like electricity. In Shadows case he was able to use Chaos Control to teleport. In Eggmans case he used the emeralds to power a destruction cannon. So the possibilities are "infinite".
Honestly, that's a refreshingly simple concept. The Chaos Emeralds aren't necessarily special, they can just supply infinite energy for any one esoteric task, like having a collection of portable fusion reactors that can power anything you imagine.
Who is this Exdeath knockoff
https://yugipedia.com/wiki/Gem-Knight
>also their functionalities are different,
maybe in it's conception but not anymore, idk if it was adventure or who but they did use them to effectively grant wishes
>and the original count was 6
and they ended up with 7 lol
There were 6 Chaos Emeralds when they got introduced in Sonic 1
>cream = ???
pan
rouge = ???
android 18
Rouge is Bulma
Cream is Puar
That's not even remotely accurate.
>Tails = krillin
If we consider Rouge to be 18 then suddenly the Tails and Rouge porn dump threads i keep seing make a lot more sense
Tails is Bulma.
Rouge is Android 18 because she gets plapped by Tails
>she gets plapped by Tails
i doubt that
....but enough of the prequel comic.
Tails is the one who gets slapped.
archie tails suffers way too much
tails torture porn!
He deserves it.
not nearly enough
He doesn't suffer enough. Tails has always been a shit character, and the only thing he's good for is getting repeatedly kicked in both his buttholes.
300 IQ, folks.
>300 IQ, folks
IQ and EQ are different things, plus he's 8 years old
>b-but he's ei-ACK!
I don't give a haypenny FRICK. If a work tells me a character is a genius, I expect that character to be fricking SMART.
Eggman's moronic plot armor is another matter entirely. You people are not ready to admit that there's even a problem.
>If a work tells me a character is a genius, I expect that character to be fricking SMART.
Being smart == infallible
Also I don't think you got what I was trying to imply, which is that Tails isn't the one with a 300 IQ
>Being smart == infallible
Bullshit. Being fallible doesn't equate to being moronic. How the FRICK did Tails not realize that Eggman picked up the fake signal? Useless brat.
>Also I don't think you got what I was trying to imply, which is that Tails isn't the one with a 300 IQ
Again, that just ties in to Eggman's OMG SO EBIN-TIER *tips fedora* plot armor bullshit.
>How the FRICK did Tails not realize that Eggman picked up the fake signal?
He didn't know that Eggman DIDN'T know that Sonic was holding the fake emerald
>Again, that just ties in to Eggman's OMG SO EBIN-TIER *tips fedora* plot armor bullshit.
Do you even know what plot armor even means?
>He didn't know that Eggman DIDN'T know that Sonic was holding the fake emerald
Again, bullshit. He should've thought of that. I did when I was 13. ... Frick I was 13 when SA2 came out.
>Do you even know what plot armor even means?
It means Sega has been trying for decades to make Eggman seem like an untouchable god who rapes and steamrolls absolutely everyone and everything if Sonic isn't there to hard counter him. Which is something I personally find utterly farcical. And yes, I am still mad about G.U.N completely jobbing offscreen. Frick Forces.
>It means Sega has been trying for decades to make Eggman seem like an untouchable god who rapes and steamrolls absolutely everyone and everything if Sonic isn't there to hard counter him.
>Jobs off screen to Metal Sonic
>Jobs to Shadow and the Black Arms
>Jobs to a little kid with a rock in Unleashed
>Jobs to discount Koopalings
>Jobs to every playable character in any game you get to play as someone other than Sonic
Have you actually played any of the games between 2009 and 2017? He's treated like a clown and never gets any moments to get the better of the heroes like he did in the adventure games
>300 IQ, folks
Yes, EGGMAN and his 300 IQ at work
Would Espio = Tien?
does that mean that bee is chiaotzu
Also guess Charmy would be Chiaotzu in that case but then Vector is a mismash of Yamcha (to complete the trio) and Hercule maybe.
i guess vanilla could be bulma's mom?
>tails = krillin
Makes no sense since krilin is a bald manlet cuck and not a virile cute shota femboy that fricks and impregnates all the sonic girls before finally losing to a human male and getting raped and betrayed by him and then becoming a cute submissive housewife boymother of my children.
i don't care if it was a rip off it was still fricking cool
That's because you're a drone who loves to slurp up corporate slop. Do you have any respect for at whatsoever? Of course you don't.
Black person shut up with this slop shit. You know damn well the Sonic devs in the early 90's just thought Super Saiyan was the tightest shit and they wanted to give their players that same feeling while playing Sonic 2.
They STOLE an idea. They committed plagiarism. Stop defending criminals.
>SHITNIG the JOBhog
>Adult Arale
What? When that happened?
8th chapter of Dr.slump returns
>game serie that referenced dragon ball are still alive despite flopping for decade
What did they mean by this ?
It means audiences have no standards.
You want plagiarism?
Am I supposed to be looking at the upper reciever to an AK or something?
God, Super Saiyan is KINO.
What? No it isn't. It's a plot device that artificially moves the plot. That's what all power ups are, a fake means to let the protagonist somehow punch things better. Speaking of a lack of standards.
Twittroons losing their mind over this was extremely hilarious
but for once that Twittroon is right
Personally I'd prefer something that's a blatant rip-off over something that's actually unique but worse purely because it had to be changed to be different enough to not be called a rip-off.
>"I would rather people steal things than come up with their own ideas."
...
>if you could take that to court then i imagine many many other animes could sue dragon ball for also using some other anime tropes
Why don't they? Don't any of these companies have any pride?
How did they get away with this anyways? This goes way beyond being a homage or reference. It's actual, genuine plagiarism.
i mean the comparison doesn't really go any further than "guy goes blond and hair go up". sonic and goku are nothing alike when it comes to their designs, in the sense that one is a human in martial arts robes while the other one is an anthropomorphic hedgehog. if you could take that to court then i imagine many many other animes could sue dragon ball for also using some other anime tropes
>guy goes blond and hair go up
This is a very iconic thing tho specific to DBZ and the naming convention mimics super saiyan as well. I'm 100% sure they could have taken this to court and win easily.
it doesn't really matter how iconic it is though. going blonde isn't something you can really copyright.
>and the naming convention mimics super saiyan as well
i mean they are but what are you gonna tell the court lol. they didn't literally call it super saiyan, are you gonna say that you own the rights to putting super in front of a word?
Why are you being a disingenuous homosexual now? It's not just "going blonde" and how iconic something is absolutely comes into play when it comes to plagiarism. I'm starting to suspect you're some sonicgay by how vehemently you're defending this when it's clear as day they could have gotten completely stomped in court.
>It's not just "going blonde"
that's literally what going super saiyan has that is unique you fricking moron. powering up isn't a thing dbz invented.
>how iconic something is absolutely comes into play when it comes to plagiarism
based moron
> I'm starting to suspect you're some sonicgay by how vehemently you're defending this when it's clear as day they could have gotten completely stomped in court.
tldr, schizo babbling
Ah, ok, you're just a sonicgay lol.
i accept your concession
Based Sonic blatantly ripping off Chad and making Chad look autistic in the process.
>what if the deathstar had a moustache
I didn't know goku needed the 7 dragon balls to transform into ssj
No, just needed 5 other saiyans for red hair.
>I didn't know goku needed the 7 dragon balls to transform into ssj
maybe you should've watched the anime first then
You say that but in DBO humans need it because they all have Saiyan blood which is canon
oh hey i forgot about that game. weren't some fans trying to revive it a few years ago?
Still are and it has a sizable community currently
>i accept your concession
>posting jaks
opinion discarded
speaking of Sonic and Plagiarism
>sonic so fast he transported into the future to steal the plot
>both games are shitty
the funny thing is that FFXV was announced in 2006, the same year that Sonic game came out
Not the only time.
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True. JOBnic literally owes its existence to Toriyama.
I'm perfectly fine with this as a fan of both.
Kek. Isn't this the color scheme of Hyper Sonic?
No, Hyper is a mixtures of all colors, white is a fan made thing
What the Goku Black arc did to Future Trunks is why I hate Super and with all the retcons like what had been done to Bardock. As far as I'm concerned Super is just another GT as a what if continuation and nothing more.
lol
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Imagine copying the objectively worst game in the series barring Sonic 4.
aww sweet a schizo thread
Our HEROES!!!
did goku ditch the white ultra instict?
Nah, he still uses it and jobs to Gohan.
they should stop giving gohan powerups out of nowhere
I thought they would write him better by now
most of gohan's powerups aren't really out of nowhere
I mean during the radditz fight is probably the most out of nowhere but even then he's goku's son and goku tanked being shot in his head in his first appearance so it's not that crazy
ss2 is very built up and foreshadowed
ulimate he trained for with the kais
beast was foreshadowed in the ToP arc with gohan saying he wants to evolve as his own person, you could argue the execution wasn't perfect but it was at least set up
everything about Gohan is solid and set up and properly foreshadowed from start to end; the problem is that outside of Cell, nothing interesting EVER comes of it, and it's brutally clear that the guy just wants to be a lame quiet dad studying bugs with his hot wife and kid
PAN is the true Gohan, she fricking loves fighting and is starting her career being trained by megafreaks like Orange Piccolo, she's going to be a universe-ending monster by the time she's 10
>PAN is the true Gohan, she fricking loves fighting and is starting her career being trained by megafreaks like Orange Piccolo, she's going to be a universe-ending monster by the time she's 10
she's a girl so she won't ever get a win, this is dragon ball, at most she'll catch frieza off guard with a ki blast that distracts him that's vegeta's technique! enough to help the guys overpower him
>she's a girl so she won't ever get a win
she's a girl, like videl, she'll grow out of it and become a housemom like every female fighter in every shonen
Listen, shut up and pretend that we're never going to see anything past Super and that the unwritten future allows Pan to succeed and be cool.
the cell fight was a total character assassination from start to end. that wasnt gohan, it was a completely different character meant to create forced drama
Goku wouldn't have pussied out and gave up either, this us a character who up until then always fought until the bitter end just for the thrill.
Wasn't his fight with Cell a sham? Gohan didn't even meet android 16 but he ended up having a mental breakdown over his death
And yeah, Goku was raised by a kind martial arts master and went on adventures, he sees fight as fun, Gohan had the equivalent of his father sending him to a military school then pummel some training into him personally, while his hick of a mother nags him to become a "scholar", his uncle tried to kidnap him, Vegeta and Nappa tried to kill his family and friends so all he knows of his race is brutes who want to hurt people
>Gohan didn't even meet android 16 but he ended up having a mental breakdown over his death
No he didn't. He listened to 16 saying "stop fricking bottling up your rage and FIGHT for the world you little shit" and Gohan decided to let go.
>He listened to 16 saying "stop fricking bottling up your rage and FIGHT for the world you little shit" and Gohan decided to let go.
that's an even weaker reason but let's not forget that he didn't go bananas until AFTER a16 got his head stomped on
Ignore that anon, he's just parroting these points
too long, didn't watch
>1 hour video by the homosexual that got filtered by naruto of all shows
no thanks
What points? That 16 said "stop holding back and fight for the world I loved"? Because that happened. That was what he said.
>Gohan didn't even meet android 16 but he ended up having a mental breakdown over his death
It was more that Cell ruthlessly killing 16 underlined the point that 16 was trying to make: that Cell can't be reasoned with and will literally murder everyone because he can if Gohan doesn't stop holding back.
>ulimate he trained
he was sitting around doing nothing
The sword training bit didn't really help him at all, so it's like the namek thing again, someone unlocked that form for him
No.
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.
It's an Homage, just like early Dragon Ball itself was parody of Journey to the West. Yuji Naka already confessed to loving Dragon Ball years ago.
>homage
Is a synonym for ripoff.
The entire concept of public domain was a mistake. It needs to be revoked in order to force would-be creators to be original for once.
>It needs to be revoked in order to force would-be creators to be original for once.
You know that "they" wouldn't allow that.
is Sonic an incel?
'fraid so
Incel means involuntarily celibate right? I think sonic simply thinks women are gross and doesn't want to be with them and just chill with his bros.
no he's a real volcel
COMPOSER KENJI YAMAMOTO DID NOTHING WRONG!
Do you want to sue Gainax next? They're kinda bankrupt at the moment.
>Yamamoto plagiarized music
>Toyotaro literally traced some Captain America cover and old Toriyama moments
Heh.
nothing wrong with taking a good idea and mixing it in somewhere else, as long as there's a little nuance to it. super saiyan was one of the coolest things in the history of anime so naturally other artists are going to be inspired by it. the way sanic uses it is very respectful to the magnitude that the transformation is intended to hold. something which dbs can't comprehend.
>"There's nothing wrong with stealing."
Mappa should animate Dragon Ball.
Mappa harshly treats their employees by forcing them to overwork. Season II of JJK had a massive breakdown because of this, and the Mahoraga fight pre Blu Ray was massively unfinished.
KINO.
Main series Dragon Ball isn't going to get good animation ever again, unless they finally figure out how to make AI useful to mass produced animation
Daima is all there's gonna be, but that's because it's some 12 episode deal
Don't worry, Daima is the last animated Dragon Ball project that will be handled by Shueisha, going forward, Iyoku and CC Tokyo are the producers of animated Dragon Ball media.
>Main series Dragon Ball isn't going to get good animation ever again
Main Series Dragon Ball Z back in the day was full of QUALITY episodes due to having like 6 different studio teams drawing for it. Sometimes you'd have good shit like Studio wienerpit doing the Goku vs Cell episode with Warp Kamehameha. Other times you'd have stuff like Vegeta killing Namekians on Namek with really shitty art.
Can we talk about how one of nintendo's biggest franchises WAS STOLEN FROM THE DRAGON BALL GUY AKIRA TORIYAMA?!
I don't recall Link sealing Ganon in his body via ocarina
that would be so cool
but you do recall link sealing ganon somewhere, right?
That's not true, delete this NOW
>but you do recall link sealing ganon somewhere, right?
No, I recall Link fighting Ganon until he's weakened enough for Zelda and the Sages to open the door to the evil realm and throw him inside but not Link.
bro there's like 4 other zelda games before ocarina. Link to the past also has an orcarina.
You gays know that DBZ just ‘stole’ everything from Journey to the West, right? You Zoomies have no concept of what originality even means.
God I wish that was me.
>Bardock saves Granolah AND his mom
>Has to hide them
>Sends them to earth with Goku
>Goku grows up with a Cerelian Mom and brother
funded
Fleetway was cool for making Super Sonic go insane with power and become a threat, which was something Dragon Ball hinted at but never went through with
>which was something Dragon Ball hinted at but never went through with
>literally Z Broly
Huh?
No. I'm talking about the first time Goku went Super Saiyan, and outright told Gohan "I might kill you if you don't frick off RIGHT now, I'm not in control" but from then on Super Saiyan is always perfectly controllable. I agree Broly was an exploration of the idea, but that was its own mutant version, not a basic feature of any Super Saiyan transformation.
>agrees that Broly did that
Done.
Nah. You're talking past my original point.
>"I agree Broly was an exploration of the idea"
>"Nah. You're talking past my original point."
I love Cauli so much bros.
The Son family <3
the gawd damn QUEEN
>DBkeks accusing anyone of plagiarism
Don't look up official DB soundtrack plagiarism shitstorms, op.
Link me Sonic x Sally fanfics.
sorry, it's all about Tails x Rouge
>he is here
In the heart of Metroville, where towering skyscrapers loomed over bustling streets, Iron Haven stood as a beacon of fitness and strength. Timothy, an eager fitness enthusiast, stepped into the gym, nerves tingling with anticipation. Today, he would train alongside the legendary Jiren.
"Hey, uh, excuse me, Mr. Jiren?" Timothy approached the titan of muscle, his voice wavering slightly.
Jiren turned, his gaze piercing yet somehow reassuring. "You're here for a workout?" he asked, his voice deep and commanding.
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A faint smile tugged at Jiren's lips. "Then let's get started."
For hours, they pushed through grueling workouts, the sound of clanging weights and heavy breaths filling the air. With each rep, Timothy felt himself growing stronger, fueled by Jiren's unwavering encouragement.
As the sun began to set, Jiren motioned towards the exit. "Hungry?" he asked.
Timothy's stomach rumbled in response. "Starving."
They stepped into the warm glow of Five Guys, the scent of burgers and fries instantly enveloping them.
"Two doubles with everything, please," Jiren ordered, his voice carrying the weight of a thousand victories.
Sitting in the parking lot, burgers in hand, they dug in with gusto.
"These are amazing," Timothy said between bites.
Jiren chuckled, wiping his mouth with a napkin. "Nothing like a good burger after a tough workout."
Between mouthfuls of food, they discussed training techniques, swapping stories and advice.
"You've got potential," Jiren said, a hint of pride in his voice. "Keep putting in the work, and you'll go far."
Timothy grinned, a newfound sense of determination coursing through him. "Thanks, Jiren. I won't let you down."
As the night sky stretched out above them, they finished their meal, the camaraderie between them stronger than ever. In the company of Jiren, Timothy had not only found a mentor but a friend – a bond forged through sweat, burgers, and the shared pursuit of greatness.
sir, what are you doing?
I think there's a big difference between the concepts of reference/homage and plagiarism, and if you can't detect it, then you're not intelligent enough to engage with media in any meaningful way anyway.
Super Sonic is an incredibly obvious one, because 1.) super forms in which a character becomes fast and strong and glows a new color are not a very specific , and 2.) making the reference didn't save anyone any more work than making something up wholecloth.
How is it still so iconic?
CHOOSE
YOUR
FIGHTER
Your rant is fricking disgusting, I hate morons that get stupidly mad at this thing and call it plagiarism. Your thread sucks
>pan
Pan? Janet.
this couldn't have been piccolo, right?
J.
Goku is a brainless low IQ mongrel and never kissed his own wife.
Sonic is decently smart and gets b***hes. Plus he actually kissed a woman.
>Plus he actually kissed a woman.
other way around
Didn't Goku had 3 kids? that should've taken a few tries, how many times did Sonic got laid
>Didn't Goku had 3 kids?
trunks is goku's kid?
bejita...
Don't you dare imply that. A child of Goku and Bulma would be vastly superior to Gohan, Goten, and Trunks.
if goten came before g*han then he would have outpaced goku and vegeta by late saiyan saga. its a shame we got WEAKhan instead of ssj at age 5 goten
goten sucks dude, get over it
is goten stronger because he was conceived at a time where goku was stronger than when he did for gohan? if so what would a 3rd child look like now lol
wasn't he doing that thing where he had constant super saiyan when goten was conceived
i always assumed thats why his potential was miles faster than gohan
technically Gotenks is considered as his kid if you think about it...
He's only 1/4 Goku.
Trunks is Gohan's kid at least the future variant is
Chi-Chi raped him in his sleep, it's not the same.
goku jr is his great great great great great grandson
Goku only had two kids, Gohan and Goten.
>mfw officer krillin arrested me for copyright violation because while I was watching Broly frick Amy and Sally I said YABBA DABBA DOO
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW.
ENTER.
>SHITgangb***h is here
>Ganker actively defending plagiarism
Figures. Corporate simps, the lot of you.
Kaioken is cooler than Super Saiyan.
only the first form, SSJ 2 and 3 are more cool cuz of the lightning dood
Reminder of that time Sonic actually managed to plagiarize another Sega IP. Theft, or laziness? YOU DECIDE!
Reallocation of unused resources. Sega wasn't using Fighting Vipers.
Sonic does it better, so no.
Wrong. Dragon Ball Z did it first, period.
>Reading is hard
>a hurp a dee durp derp execution is all that matters slobber slober herp herp
No. Dragon Ball Z did it first. Done.
>execution is all that matters
Yes
*chad.jpg*
The fact you're so insecure about your position that you can only defend it with a meaningless meme says it all. Sonic plagiarized Dragon Ball. Plagiarism is theft. Theft is wrong. Simple as.
Or maybe I'm just not that interested in engaging in a reddit argument with an annoying homosexual like yourself.
I accept your concession.
Of course it did. Again, this is why public domain needs to be dissolved as a concept.
Wrong. Journey to the west did it first, period.
'Nuff said.
so you agree that dragonball stole from journey to the west?
He does.
1.You are Hbomberguy
2. you used Herpaderpa as an arguement like 10 minutes ago, moron
HERO!!
>Anyone got any ideas for this horror game we're making? Ah, frick it, let's just copy literally every movie any of us has ever heard of.
Oh my god, your insane ass is here now too?
Toby Fox's plagiarized music is egregious to me.
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unfortunately OP, you can't have sonic in your op bc that just turns it into a sonic thread
Frick off, Hbomber.
At least IH didn't kill a man
>'Nuff said.
i thought you were dead, stan
Allah! inch Allah!
since everything's targetted towards zoomers these days say goodbye to originality. Those mfs copy paste doing the same tiktok bs they see each other do.
Plus AI
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>ripping of religious mythology
>Toriyama giving China even more excuses to want to nuke Japan
Fricking hell, even the so-called "greats" are a bunch of hacks.