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I don't have to because I am going to do it regardless
My man.
So you're a homosexual?
Yes, you are now go suck tyrone dick
He's not the one sucking corporate wiener
same here. I won't spend a dime to support this pozzed as frick industry. The faster it crashes the better.
So many unnecessary posts after this one ended the thread.
Based
Thread should have ended right there
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>kojima tools
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I ain't a pirate personally, but it is pretty much this when I do decide to download some gba emulator or some shit once in a while.
Also, asking pirates to justify piracy is like asking the somalians to justify theirs. Its just not happening.
it's free and i prefer not to pay for things if possible
Literally this, I don’t want to pay for something unless I have to.
I’ll buy shit like indie games on occasion since I actively want to support those creators, but not really anything else
Ok commie
ok wagie
You don't need to sign off your posts with images you know.
>commie
The frick are you talking about? That's free market capitalism.
Ok commie
>refusing to reward corpos propped up by governments and international central bankers is communism
read hoppe Black person
I'm sure megacorp will survive without my $70 + tax
Corporations should not be financially supported. Pirate AAA and shoplift major store chains. Spend money on indies and small businesses.
That's not a justification, that's just you repeating a mantra because you emotionally enjoy buying into the "common enemy is whoever we envy" pop culture successor to the "rebel without a cause" autism.
>nooo not my heckin benevolent rulers, they're bringing wholesome diversity to the unwashed masses!
>repeats sarcastic mantra still insisting I must "serve" people who cannot sell me anything or purchase my labor without my explicit consent
Noose yourself, you unbearable israelite.
>corporate shill calling anyone else an unbearable israelite
nice try moshe, you hook nosed rat
/thread
> I am a triple A engineer. Please pirate every game I work on because I get paid regardless.
Shoplifting tips? I know nobody actually checks the cameras unless something huge is stolen but I want to know more anyway.
Security here. Don't be a Black person or homeless and I'm not watching you
I'm not spending money on YOUR pozzed shit either
The vast majority of games produced are no longer being sold in any way and thus there can't be any actual harm in pirating them.
Why?
nuh nuh nuh! The burden of proof is on YOU to convince ME not to do it. Now get on your knees and beg.
TINY BOMBS
I don't pay for games
I don't pay for food
I don't pay medical bills
I don't tip at restaurants
Women want me, israelites fear my power level
Literally nobody knows who you are
good
he is the chosen one
Chosen one huh?
And I prefer it that way
And I hope it remains that way for as long as possible
that's kinda the point of this website homosexual
Nice
I thought this was a Black person joke until the israelite part.
Based
>pirate games
>Acquire stolen credit cards to buy online games with DRM
>on foodstamps so I don't pay for food
>don't get sick or injured ever
>Don't tip unless I'm using someone else's money
female game developers owe me sex
no pussy no buy
Creators are paid salary. Sales just affect shareholders and CEO's who already make millions. Any AAA game deserves to get pirated. Filled with microtransactions, DLC and woke shit anyways
Infinite supply means it should be free.
ubisoft says it's ok
And if you pirate their games you may be allowed to keep them, too.
You WILL pour your heart and soul into ones and zeros and I WILL download it for free!
If your game has about the same amount of content as a movie that's about 9-10% the price of your game, I sure as shit am not paying for your greediness.
legal in my state
*dabs*
*undabs you*
what are you gonna do, b***h boy, suck my wiener and make me cum?
Their product isn't scarce but is priced like it is.
I imagine the webm of the chick shitting everywhere but the toilet. That's why I pirate, cause I felt like it.
You wouldn't happen to have the webm?
It doesn't affect video game sales.
Good thing I don't love vidya
i do T0T
Make better games and I won't pirate them. (Maybe)
Tell me OP, how much did piracy hurt Darkwood's developers?
>pirates their own game
>word of mouth spreading
>become cult hit
>got sacked anyway because not popular enough among normies
I swear to god, if there's no jumpscare at all, normies won't even bat an eye to this game
>creators won't be compensated
Copyright isn't the reason that people buy video games
>It damages the industry
In what way, by letting people build upon other's work instead of having to build their own thing from scratch? The same thing applies to mods.
>Facilitates negative mindset... Gamers believe that games should be free
Why shouldn't they be free? Don't free to play games also cause this? Should we outlaw free to play games as well?
>I want every game to be stuffed with forced online and micro-transactions
Jesus Christ, moron. I hope you didn’t feel proud when you typed this
You still have the exact same amount of copies you started with. If I took an apple, cloned it, and put it back would that count as theft?
>If I took an apple, cloned it, and put it back would that count as theft?
According to Monsanto it does.
They've literally been caugh spreading their seeds on people's land, and then suing because OUR PLANTS ARE ON THEIR LAND AND THEY DIDNT PAY FOR THE SEEDS
the developers got paid regardless of whether or not I pirate the finished game
The problem with this though is that if the publisher doesn't make enough they are just going to lay off the development team and cut funding on their next project. Even if they don't directly profit from game sales they still benefit from them
You also can't use this excuse if they're indie
Literally not my problem. Stop sucking off people you don't know.
Well then you can’t whine about shitty games, the devs who make the games you like get laid off or lose funding and that’s basically your fault
There are thousands of games made every year. I genuinely do not care if some people get laid off or whatever the frick. Again, stop sucking people off who you don't know. They do not give one iota of a shit about you.
And like I said, you don’t get to b***h and whine about the industry because you’re the entire reason why good devs either lose funding or lose jobs. It’s your fault. Deal with it.
>Continues to suck off these developers who don't care about him
Literally mentally ill. Firing up my bittorrent you fricking homosexual. Smell ya never.
i am confounded by the pure glory of this strange image.
Keep 'em coming anon.
>POLIZEI
>romanized japanese signs
>looks extremely uncomfortable to pilot
>head has zero range of motion, limiting visibility apart from a single small mirror
>tall and lanky, easy to unbalance
>the only protection they have is their neck and back, everything else is vulnerable, including their face
>for some reason they have human like hands, not for precise manipulation of small objects, but to hold a fricking police baton and riot shield
>only other weapon is tear gas, which they themselves aren't even protected from
This might be the single dumbest thing I've ever seen. Every time I look at it I find something new that baffles me.
you should read the signs. throw into google translate
Look they're prototype Labors okay
Does Ganker like Patlabor?
There's a hole where the hinge is, right? I sure hope someone helps her out if the mech fails.
because frick publishers
Supporting the industry is supporting censorship. Ergo you shouldn't support the industry.
It's needed for PC/Nintendo games that never drop in price. AAA's all deserve a pirate, and most indie games deserve it too for selling their first awful game usually for $20 buckero's. Outside of AAA's and bad indie games, piracy does actually cause a lot of harm and people should buy and support niche Japanese games. Japanese games are also interestingly usually always AA, whereas western games are always either AAA or indie.
>we should buy indie games but not AAA games
hold the frick up. why not pirate both? the frick are you giving treatment to indie devs? HUGE portion of indie devs are just as merchant heavy as AAA games. there is literally no difference other than budget.
Do your research and support the indie devs that are legitimately just some dudes in a garage, and pirate others. Its just that easy.
>Its just that easy.
Its even easier to just pirate whatever I want and not worry about the absence of my 3 bones in some random joe's pocket.
There is no peer-reviewed, meticulous study which proves that "piracy" damages any industry in practice.
Anon, peer reviewed studies are a means to gatekeep peasants from logical credibility over social policy. Not for proving things and stuff.
It's always some kid who barely graduated highschool who believes this.
Why do we even let stupid people learn to read anymore.
the only ones believing this shit come from social studies
this is just a massive cope, honestly, that doesnt even get the point in OP's image
>implying only your lazy ass do it
try with at least a million gays like you
I think piracy can damage the game industry, but that's usually a problem created by the overpricing of games too, something caused by publishing agencies
literally check the budget of any AAA game and you'll see that on average, at least half if not more of the budget goes only to the publisher, not the development of the game itself, which is outrageous, considering how social media now spreads things faster for free
Technically... most filesharing sites are for-profit, even if you can download everything for free. They run ads, click-thru portals, etc. If it wasn't profitable, no one would do it
I don’t think there’s any argument that piracy has absolutely hobbled the manga industry. People outside Japan only ever buy manga as a favour, rather than as standard
The manga industry could be making publishers more money though, it's so sad that piracy is keeping them from higher and higher profits.
And artists. The artists retain control of their work and are paid for it, unlike how it works in comics.
But they practically can’t bring manga to the west, and every attempt has been hobbled because the entire western (and other Asian I guess) mindset is that manga has always been free.
I at least buy LNs, so I’m kinda doing my part
>it's so sad that piracy is keeping them from higher and higher profits.
Explain? Is it that in Japan, manga is more universal to it's audience while in the U.S. it's only sold in bookstores and is limited to the weeb marketplace?
Any industry could be selling more if people weren't using free alternatives. Publishers gotta buy yachts too, y'know.
the manga industry / publishers needs a Steam / Crunchyroll style service that can provide a better reading experience to stop people from preferring to go to watchmangafreeonline(dot)xyz and tolerate ads and shit interface instead of paying them
In Japan, the average manga costs 400-600 yen a book, which is a great value price range since manga can be read in like 30 minutes. That's like $4-$6 (ignoring exchange rates), but there's no way to bring that same low price when importing to America, and there's no (official) digital alternatives for most paperbacks.
There’s Viz and Jump+
>Implying manga publishers (or non-videogame Japanese media companies in general) give a shit about consumers outside Japan
Can't complain about piracy if it's virtually impossible for consumers to get your product in the first place even when they want to. Official manga releases in the West that actually continue all the way until the story ends (instead of just selling the first two volumes and then fricking off) are pretty rare outside of normieshit.
In the US alone manga sells like crazy, plus sales have more than doubled in the past year to the point it overshadows american comics by a significant amount. This isn't even considering how in worldwide markets manga has been incredibly successful, in south east asia, China, and France, all places where manga "piracy" (frequently just fan translations of previously untranslated material) is rampant. It isn't 2009 anymore tons of people don't know how to or want to pirate so they just buy a subscription to jump plus or crunchyroll or buy physical.
Black person are you moronic? The manga industry is bigger than it's ever been. It makes the American comic industry look like a sad joke
>People outside Japan only ever buy manga as a favour, rather than as standard
People who pay for anime and manga outside of Japan are completely moronic.
When you pay for CrunchyRoll 0% goes to the creators.
When you buy physical manga 0% goes to the creators.
That's how gay and stupid this whole system is.
People should be able to buy a product and support a dev to continue to make a good product.
Instead when you buy a product none of the money goes to the devs and instead the publishers push for increasing globohomosexual garbage in games causing the dev to change its product for the worse.
fix'd
Buying physical manga and physical games are the only excuse for paying for either.
If it's a tangible good you can hold in your hand, it's complete justifying to pay for it. (As well as it being justifiable to steal it)
The anime and manga industries wouldnt even be a thing internationally in the first fricking place if it wasnt for piracy.
You dont get 11 and up year olds hooked on weebshit if they have to pay for it, THEY CANT, anime and manga, along with music might be the clearest examples in all of history that piracy helps growth
you mean where they sell it at x4 the price, only in specialty stores, significantly delayed, and the main way people even read manga in japan (magazines) doesn't even exist elsewhere in the world?
yeah im sure its definitely not people picking the convenient easy option rather than having to jump through hoops
even people who are willing to legally read manga will still read illegal scans because they often come out half a week earlier
if they want people to fricking pay for it, then it better come out same fricking hour, already translated, high quality, and easy to access
otherwise you can frick off
piracy is a service issue, only the legal version can offer a high quality & fast service by virtue of it simply requiring pirates time to process and DO something with it, but they don't.
None of those people would be reading manga to begin with without people scanning and translating it for free. Nevermind the complete apathy nips have to actually making things available for purchase online or abroad.
The creators DO still get money when somebody who pirated every goddamn page of a manga series goes out and buys the figurines, buys a ticket to see the movie adaptation in person, buys the damn body pillow, and plays the videogame or gacha spinoff
Stop talking about things you have zero idea about.
Manga wouldn't even be popular in the West without piracy.
>People outside Japan only ever buy manga as a favour, rather than as standard
absolutely correct.
>if they make TL for the west then I would have supported them 🙁
There is Fakku...........LOL
there is patreon or japanese equivalent. I highly doubt the west support them this way.
Every book store I go to like Barnes and Nobles have a smaller section dedicated to mangas than comics. it's sad.
>that pic
Lmao what a fricking shitty cope just admit its theft and then keep doing it like who is going to stop you lol
>t. seething indie maker
If you think something like gamestop is fine but piracy is bad then you're a corporate bootlicking cuck. Something that deserves my money will earn my money. Simple as.
ur a gayot
Everytime you pirate a game, a israelite in Blackrock winces in pain.
With AAA games they're not selling a game. They're selling a limited, revocable license to access a game. I'm not interested in the license, so I won't buy it. And since they're not selling the game, I'm not hurting anyone by pirating it.
>Piracy rips off creators' hard work without compensation
If it's from an indie developer, I agree. If it's from a billion dollar anti-consumer publisher on the other hand....
>It damages the Industry
The corporations like EA, Ubisoft, Activision, etc. are the ones truly damaging the Industry; piracy is the stuffy nose to the cancer that is predatory microtransactions, draconian DRM, and the lack of game preservation.
>It facilitates negative consumption mindset, letting gamers believe that games should be free.
Nowadays, in this climate, where were heading, games aren't even worth playing let alone buying.
>We realized piracy is never the way forward if we truly love & believe in games.
Game preservationist says otherwise.
>corporates cant shove subscriptions in my face because the instant they do so they lose whatever paltry patronage I offer for good
consolecucks need not apply
the better things are always the free things
is the gruel served in a soup kitchen really any better?
>gruel served in a soup kitchen
Why would they serve gruel at a soup kitchen, wouldn't they be serving soup?
Gruel is technically a type of soup. It's thin enough to be considered as such.
Information is a public right.
>WE TRULY LOVE AND BELIEVE IN GAMES
Feels good man
>support the devs
Devs get paid for their work anyway, and most of the time they see little to no extra money from increased sales. This is an argument for indie games maybe, but even then you're better off donating to their kickstarter or whatever if you really want them to have your money. But that's not something anti-pirates say you're morally obligated to do, and neither do they argue that you're morally obligated to support the publishers. This is because this argument boils down to creating an image in your mind of a poor struggling dev like in the OP, then presenting paying for games as a way to rectify that problem, as if your pennies will somehow make a difference. The truth is that I'm not responsible for helping strangers earn a living. If you want to give your money out of charity, have at it, but don't act like anyone else is obligated to do so.
>vote with your wallet
First of all, this only works when companies are concerned with making money from customers, when most publishers would rather appease investors at the expense of customers, or promote their radical politics at the expense of customers. Secondly, this argument ignores the obvious conclusion that if there are some games that you should pay for because you want more of them, then that means that you are also morally obligated to not pay for any game that you don't want more of, and the only real way to do that is to pirate first and buy later.
>stealing is always wrong
This is just blatantly untrue. Is it wrong to steal from a tyrant who steals from his people? Is it wrong to steal from a country that would see yours destroyed? If a company abuses their employees, then is it not morally justified to steal from them? Russia legalized piracy after western companies started to refuse them service, why should your average Russian respect a company that hates them? Stealing from the rich and evil is morally justified and could even lead to a beneficial impact on society.
You're going to tell me that there's parts of PI that's illegal to share? Wtf
Sometimes I buy, sometimes I pirate.
I don't give a frick. imagine trying to use this tactic for kidnapping or murder. if you let me steal i'm gonna steal, homosexual
I'm going to justify piracy right here and now.
mentioned he'd steal and murder given the chance. Instinctively you know that he's a bad person, because a good person would prioritize his tribe/fellows/society over himself. This is the good and evil moral compass from an anthropologic humans-are-social-animals perspective, not from any religion.
Now, if you're a good person with the greater good in mind, why would you pirate games?
1. If you're torrenting or resharing, you may feel justified because you're resharing what you downloaded to other pirates.
2. If you're poor and can't afford the game, then downloading the product for free still doesn't feel like stealing because :
a. you didn't deprive anyone else of said game, and
b. you were never going to pay for it anyway.
So why do you get to play it? Because that's how society is MEANT to work. If I make food, I sell to those who can pay for them but then give some free food to the needy. Society has a responsibility to its poor. At least it should. The "socialism bad" sentiment in the US rejects social care, but without it, the society fails.
3. If you're not the poors, then you may feel justified pirating if you feel like the producing company is a blight on society. Instead of supporting them financially, you pirate their product.
Other than those reasons, ie. you pirating even though you could afford it AND think that the companies involved are beneficial to society, is not justified.
>It facilitates negative consumption mindset, letting gamers believe that games should be free
ie BUYER'S REMORSE AND SUNKEN COST ARE GOOD THINGS GOYIM!
frick off.
I already spend too much money on shit I don't care about (taxes), and I already paid for the internet + my PC and console. Go ahead and explain to me what I'm doing wrong, and no, you can't use the argument that it's illegal or immoral, because:
piracy is part of my country's culture and local economy + the government doesn't care enough to enforce it's prohibition, so it just pretends that no one does it
Don't care
Still pirating vidya
>b-b-b-but you'll kill vidya
Good.
Why should I support the industry? I used to support it and they turned their back on me. I will not buy any more games.
Piracy is just free advertisment.
>Be me
>Young child
>Study 10 hours a day
>Be first place in everything due to hard work
>Use my hard-earned knowledge to build a small business
>Work hard to make it grow exponentially
>Contribute to the economy by creating jobs and products that people need
>Finally accomplished
>Some homosexual on Ganker with hivemind syndrome ignores all that, calls you a israelite and goes "rich man bad"
You do realize that we live in a world of digital goods that can be infinitely replicated, and the only thing standing in the way of that is copyright laws, which artificially limit the amount of copies for no particular reason.
copies of existing digital goods can be endlessly replicated, but producing new digital goods requires great effort and expense
>be me
who else would you be, you rat frick?
frick off back to r*ddit you fat c**t
this is 1% of cases in the modern day.
99% is
>Be dad of homosexual
>Die
>homosexual inherits business
>business
>Contribute to anything
I'm not pirating games, I'm pirating licenses.
Do you have a license for pirating licenses
Yes.
I could get one from congress
I hate video games and everyone involved in them so I will keep damaging this brain dead industry as much as I can.
>Justify video game piracy
Corporations are anti-consumer and have pretty much wholesale moved to a "you do not own what you bought, we have permission to take it away at any time for any reason" mindset, and I am not going to give my money to israelites who actively try to frick me over every way they can, and instead I will frick them over in whatever I way I can instead. In the business of video games, that's by downloading and playing those games for free.
Game publishers no longer provide value for my money and try to rip me of by selling me microtransactions and by stuffing their games with DRM that not only gives me a worse experience as a legitimate costumer but also ensures that I will no longer be able to play the game once the publisher wills it. As long as publishers keep being greedy like this the only way forward is piracy, the developers already get payed anyway and the only ones being shafted are the publishers.
No
>Nintendo
I want to play their games without paying for their shitty console
>PC
Publishers who use Denuvo don't deserve the money even after they remove it
why should I?
The late stage capitalism gaming industry we are currently in seeks only to further increase profits for its ceos and shareholders. I will continue buying games when games are made with passion instead of a board of directors endlessly circlejerking to give the game the broadest appeal possible, which is why I buy some indie games.
I also hate women
Here is my eternal justification, to game devs:
Frick you. You gave us the finger, you abused us, you propagandised the SHIT out of us as children, you ripped us off, you fricking failed at your jobs, you lied to us, you stole from us, you misrepresented the difficulty of the job and you did it for decades. Now you have to give me the product for free, there is no debate and there never will be. You wanted this world where we are adversaries, and now you have it.
If it's shit like the game not being available in my region then it means they don't want my money
i don't believe in intellectual property
> i don't believe in property
ftfy
no, i'm not a communist
physical property yes
mental property no
Kinda cringe bro, you’re damn near there but won’t take the final step
i'm exactly where i need to be, socialists and communists can frick right off
Socialism is responsible for giving you every single right that you have. Every last one of them, every iota of freedom runs directly counter to the ideals of capitalism.
And the human rights of the 100,000,000+ people it killed in the past century?
They don't matter to you eh?
Socialism =/= Communism
I guess amerifats are still coping with the red scare fearmongering
I know you're a bad troll, but there are people out there who unironically believe this. It's really quite sad.
The dismissal of one kind of property while singing the praises of other property makes you look like a hypocritical douche, but you do you, namegay.
that's only true if there is no difference between those two types of property
>namegay
i didn't realize this gets saved from thread to thread, how embarassing
You have no one to blame but yourself, you create enemies who then oppose your ideas just to spite you. If you let up on your homosexualry they would be free to consider it.
I do it for old ass games, the vast majority of modern games are shite anyway
>video game piracy causes harm to tge industry
yeah. so much harm that they cant even prove it. frick off
I'm sure that Billion dollar corporation who makes more money than you'll ever see in your entire existence in one week is gonna reel from one person pirating their gameny
It is ALWAYS morally correct to steal from multi million dollar corporations.
It is always MORE morally correct to steal from them than it is to buy from them.
I wish piracy was theft, I wish I could download a game and then EA didn't have it anymore.
>It is ALWAYS morally correct to steal from multi million dollar corporations.
Finally someone who understands truth.
Is the game good or fun, or interesting ?
Because I'm not paying for a game that makes me want to kill myself out of boredom.
the socialist left only wants you to participate in capitalism to force you to buy their plate of shit
I want gay western devs to starve.
If their product is any good, I'll support them in the future by buying from them again. If it sucks, I won't.
Older games, or ones that aren't available in my country, I don't feel bad about pirating. Because they have made the intentional choice not to make those products available, so they're not even THEORETICALLY """""""losing""""""" (I mean this with the heaviest sarcasm possible) money on shit I pirate from them. THEY chose to make no money on those products, so I am simply obliging them by not giving them money.
I pay games for games cause it's more convenient for me this days than looking for ways to homebrew a console or look for shady cracks. I have more money than time this days but back when I was broke you bet I pirated shit and even today with emulation I do download roms cause it's more convenient than buying old games.
Not much to justify. Companies are already charging over 100$ for the full game at this point and are blatantly preying on people via micro transactions. I fully understand why people wouldn’t want to support such practices.
Riddle me this OP. If we had food replicators do you think it's inmoral to make a copy of an Apple because some farmer won't make money from it? Copyright laws are completely immoral and goes against natural laws.
Change it to replicator pattern artist and you might have a point.
It's the same idea. People crying about piracy will cry if someone invents a replicator like in Star Trek. Right now digital content can easily be copied and replicated. Imagine if we could do the same for matter? Imagine being able to replicate an hot beef stew out of energy. Or replicate a GPU, a Car, etc.
The gross thing is that they want to implement artificial scarcity on a medium that should be immune to that concept. It's why NFTs were pushed so hard.
This. We should be trying to find ways to make it easier for people to get resources not harder. This focus on profits first is absurd.
Why would I justify my actions to somebody whose opinion I don't give a shit about?
In terms of legality, you should be offering something that can't just be downloaded from a random website, like cloud saves or leaderboards, or forums for troubleshooting. That's how steam combatted piracy for so long, and how they became one of the biggest storefronts out there. Morally, I can't really justify it, unless there are two circumstances.
>I already paid you for it (in which case I'm gonna do whatever the heck I want)
>the game can't be bought legitimately anymore (aka abandonware)
I can't personally justify pirating the latest Mario game, or Metroid Dread, or Halo. However, you have no argument as to why I can't help myself to Skies of Arcadia, or Omega Boost, or Monster hunter Freedom: Unite.
>abandonware
can you really call it piracy when game is no longer supported or company disbanded? i dont. free game
Your average bootlicker has unironically argued that those games aren't allowed to exist anymore, since Mr. Corporation isn't selling them. Of course, these same people eat paint chips, so they're not exactly brimming with wisdom.
>THEY MIGHT SELL IT AT SOME FUTURE DATE, SO YOU CAN'T PLAY THEM
>*20 years later*
>ANY DAY NOW, JUST YOU WAIT
I just played like 7 games in a row that sucked ass. I'd be out roughly $250 USD. Instead I didn't lose any money and I also didn't support shitty devs/games. That's called win-win.
If piracy bad
Why Russia can't buy games anymore
Absolutely not true
>Dev gets paid to make game
>Publisher takes over the game
>Publisher keeps all the earnings
>No matter how much or how little the publisher makes the dev won't get paid a cent
>When publisher makes no money, not even the money paid to everyone, publisher will still continue funding games.
>Also there are no contracts between devs and publishers ever in regards of bonus payments either
You have to be 18 to post here.
Don't have to justify shit, I'm doing it anyway.
No.
https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf
The EU spent €360,000 on the above study on how piracy impacts the sales of copyrighted music, books, video games, and movies meaning to use it to enforce anti-piracy measures and never did because that study found no evidence it was a major problem.
>study using questionaires/surveys
>evidence
throw that shit in the TRASH. i'm for piracy doesn't effect game sales but i find this bullshit.
Funny enough, I agree. If we allow flimsy questionaires to affect our judgement, they could push more BS studies anytime they wanted. The study is useful, however, for highlighting how stupid our governments are.
>let's waste money on asking people questions lol
Did you read the Survey Methodology section? The study creators knew it was a problem.
>Because displacement rates cannot be directly observed they need to be estimated on the basis of observed behaviour, or people need to be asked “what if” questions about the hypothetical situation that creative content is no longer available on illegal sites. Such “what if” question are usually not asked because it is difficult for respondents to imagine such situation and they may provide socially acceptable answers even if asked about regular behaviour. Directly asking about illegal behaviour is expected to generate even more untruthful answers. Another challenge is that innovations in the online delivery of creative content mean that displacement rates are increasingly difficult to estimate on the basis of observed behaviour. Indeed, in recent years the number of legal and illegal channels has increased significantly and consumers use a mix of legal and illegal channels to access creative content, depending on the occasion. This means that there are no natural “treatment” and “control” groups.
That's why they used a methodology questionnaire based on willingness to pay which is too long to post here and account for lying and etc. in the responses. And regardless of how bullshit the study is even if you believe it was flawed, there would've been no reason for the EU parliament to suppress the study if it was seen as frivolous and dumb by enough people.
I mean, unless you have a better or more accurate way to academically study piracy, this is the best anyone is going to get for quite a while especially when the EU failed to use the study as a bludgeoning tool against piracy.
>I mean, unless you have a better or more accurate way to academically study piracy, this is the best anyone is going to get for quite a while especially when the EU failed to use the study as a bludgeoning tool against piracy.
I just think it's funny how they immediately jumped to conclusions without a reliable way to test it.
>YOU'RE STEALING FROM US, YOU'RE LITERALLY BANKRUPTING OUR COMPANY
>how so?
>um.... this flimsy questionnaire will tell us!
>have bought Dragon's Dogma five times
>Have spent money on Genshit Impact
>I will always pirate AAA western trash
>I will always pirate Nintendo games
>B-BUT WHAT YOU'RE DOING IS LE WRONG!!
I know. I don't care.
It always amazes me how fragile Ganker gets about Nintendo. They hate them and can’t stop Shitposting about them, but they also recognise that they’re the only one making good games still, so they can’t keep themselves from pirating them anyway.
The cognitive dissonance is unreal.
Still not buying your game.
I recognize that they make good games once in a while, but I won't tolerate their anti-consumer practices. Here's a nice compromise.
>enjoy all of their Nintendo Switch online offerings permanently, after subscribing to the service once
They get their money, I get my entertainment.
What anti-consumer practices? The only practice they engage in that you could argue is anti-consumer the paid online bullshit, and they deserve more hate than they get for it. All the console manufacturers do because FRICK paying for your own internet. Everything else is people freaking out over shit that's either in a legal grey zone or doesn't affect them as a consumer. No, Nintendo not making their music available on Spotify or taking down a fan game isn't anti-consumer. It's stupid and costs them both money and fan trust, but it's not anti-consumer.
How about them refusing to acknowledge purchases made on previous consoles? If you bought anything on the WiiU or 3DS, Nintendo won't even let you transfer them. Considering the whole reason why they moved from the Wii era of gamespy-hosted servers, all of them should be compatible. But no, they just want more money.
>b-but not alot of people bought stuff on the VC
Okay, so punish me because of everyone else. That's nice.
There could be legitimate technical reasons for the VC shit. I don't know, arguably anti-consumer.
Didn't know about the lobbying, that's definitively anti-consumer.
The other two are in the legal grey zone I mentioned. Not anti-consumer.
I'm not arguing that Nintendo are the good guys, I'm saying that framing every dumb thing they do as anti-consumer is incorrect and ultimately unhelpful.
We could argue technicalities all day, but it's clear that they're just another corporation that doesn't care about anything other than profit. Being so pissy about people uploading their music, but then they often don't even sell the game that the music is from. And even if you bought the game, you legally can't rip it and enjoy it yourself. It's one thing to sell it on youtube and make profit off of ads, but when I can't even enjoy a rip of a soundtrack that I ripped myself, from a game I bought legitimately, well that's just dumb.
I don't disagree with you at all, I just want to attack them from the right angle. If you make it clear that you are willing to pay for their music you stand a better chance of getting them to react. Yelling about how it's anti-consumer for them not to make their music available or how they took down a youtube channel that hosted their music isn't gonna do a damn thing. I'm not saying Nintendo will move based on public outcry, history shows they probably won't because Nintendo, but it's a better argument than just crying anti-consumer. Save that for when EA or ActiBlizz do... anything really.
You make some good points. Still, it's worth saying that piracy is of no harm to a company that clearly doesn't care about making their older products available.
There ARE legitimate technical reasons for purchases not transferring over. The Switch is a very different type of hardware from both the Wii U and the 3DS, shit just ain't working.
That's only an excuse if it's a 3DS exclusive or WiiU exclusive, something that can't function without touch screens or a secondary pad. Purchases of basic SNES titles or Gameboy games should be trivial to bring over, but then they'd have less incentive to release their dripfed online subscription service.
No, it's an excuse for literally everything on the platform because they'd have to recode it for the new hardware AND its OS no matter what it is. Even VC games would need new emulators coded to run them. You can't just move them over and they work like magic.
The Wii U was able to carry shit over because on the inside it was a more powerful Wii. You could even run it in Wii mode to get the exact same experience. You can't do that for the Switch, because it's a very different architecture. You're asking Nintendo to invest money into remaking the entire VC service just so you can keep playing games you paid <$5 for a decade and a half ago without additional cost. Don't get me wrong, tying them to a subscription service and trickling out titles AGAIN, just like they did with the Wii U, is pure bullshit. But you were going to pay for those games again no matter what and you're off your rocker for expecting that kind of dev work for free.
Isn't it exactly the same as someone making an emulator, and then doing some work to make it compatible on multiple operating systems? If some jerkoff can make Dolphin functional on 3 different versions of windows AND Linux AND Mac, and can modify it to be run on homebrewed consoles, you'd think Nintendo would put the same amount of work into a service they're gonna get paid for.
FFS, a TI-88 calculator can run doom with minimal issues, so I have a hard time believeing that Nintendo can make a VC version of Metroid run on the state of the art Nintendo Switch.
Dolphin took years and years of work to make and even the ports take time to refine and get working correctly. The emulation scene also has the benefit of much of this shit being open source. Nintendo has to make their own emulators, and sure that's easy enough for them to do, but it still takes work on the company dime. It's still an investment that you are asking them to make for basically nothing.
Even porting an already existing emulator would still take some work, and if Nintendo did that the scene would lose their shit over a big company taking their work and monetizing it, and then you'd be in this thread anyways calling Nintendo anti-consumer despite being the least israeli of the three console manufacturers.
I don't care if they're the "least israeli". That doesn't magically give them a pass. The point is that they should be expending this time and money just to make me happy. That's why they get money. Despite owning some of the most profitable IPs in the world (literally, and I mean LITERALLY raking in more money than Disney) and yet they want to be such frugal penny-pinchers, then honestly they have no right to complain about people emulating their old games. Infact, this thing with VC is a non-issue for people who can download a no-intro romset, my post is mostly one of head shaking at Nintendo, who cries at problems they create themselves.
If they don't want to put the effort in, I'm not in a position to oblige them or their requests.
Except you go out of your way to mention them explicitly by name while the rest of the industry gets labeled in general terms. That implies what they do is especially egregious, when it's not. You are mad that they didn't give you free labor to enjoy your VC collection on hardware they weren't even sure would get off the ground when it released. It's asinine.
They were concentrating their efforts into brand new games to support that brand new platform and there's literally nothing wrong with that.
>Except you go out of your way to mention them explicitly by name while the rest of the industry gets labeled in general terms.
Because the rest of the industry is already beyond redemption. I'm angry at sony too because they pulled the same BS with the psn store and taking my purchases when transitioning to the Ps4 and Ps5, but I've already written them off as a lost cause. They're too busy with their heads up their asses while making Unsharted sequels and LGBTQBRAAP+ propaganda. Nintendo was supposed to be different from them, but they're following all the same trends.
Oh, and how could I forget:
>lobbied to make rentals and console modding illegal in japan
>literally made it a crime to use romhacks on legitimately bought products
>stalked a man for making an open source DS emulator
Capcom currently and always has made better games than Nintendo.
>Ganker is one personnel
>It always amazes me how fragile Ganker
Stopped reading here.
>It damages the industry
Good
Game developers literally left my country and forbid for me to buy their games. Like literally
So i'm stealing their shit.
Most of the games I love are free to begin with. They aren't always the fanciest, but at least they're made by people that love games instead of businesses out to take your money.
This
I wouldn't say necessarily free, but low priced, and I don't mind chipping in for a good game
I will pirate all AAA shit though
if you made a game for money you deserve to get fricked
>game has dlc
I’m not paying to play a beta.
where's that from
reminds me of mangarock shutting down message
That IS where it's from.
oh it's an edit
knew it looked familiar lmao
Censored or inaccesible, how can I buy and play games (that are no longer manufactured) for consoles that are no longer manufactured like Lollipop Chainsaw, my ps3 died years ago, can't buy the game on PS5 nor pc therefore I see piracy to be morally correct
>want to play Chrono Trigger
>only options are to buy it on steam, or buy it second hand
>still have to pirate it anyway because I don't want to buy an SNES and an old CRT just to play my cartridge
>have to pirate even if I buy the steam version because it's a broken and buggy port
According to these people, it's STILL wrong for me to do this even if they got my money, because something something not adhering to the extremely strict copyright laws or something.
It's literally a victimless crime
Who is any wiser if you pirate? No one. If the developer has a successful game, they don't care. And if they have a shitty game, they blame the pirate boogeyman. Well, if the pirate boogeyman really existed, then no games would be successful. So by buying a game, I would be wasting my money on either two outcomes: bloating an already successful project, or rewarding a bitter failure of a project who is blaming me for piracy (when I didn't pirate).
Ergo, it's simply more rational to pirate to begin with, since those are both bad ends
now imagine 10 million people share you moronic view
They probably do. That's like, what, 0.1% of the population of Earth? Oh no.
I don't want to spend money
Hey OP, if I purchase Tony hawk's pro skater 2 on the PlayStation 1 in 2022, which neversoft employees that worked on the game will be financially rewarded for my purchase?
The owners of the means of video game production are fat greedy idiots. Their miserly, incompetent, aggressive strategy of buying out studios for their reputation and then gutting them until they're wrung dry is the reason the "AAA"/Indie dichotomy is in place and why AAA games are such buggy janky samey garbage.
The actual workers being squeezed by these parasites are paid a salary and generally a bonus based on metacritic score. Piracy starves the head of the beast without overtly impacting the workers. Combined with a single metacritic review, piracy is easily the MOST ethical way to enjoy video games.
All art should be free and copyrights shouldn't exist. If someone can do something better they should be allowed.
Make games worth buying and I'll buy them. Make shit and get fricked.
>Justify
LMAO!!
I won't.
I just do it and you can't stop me.
Tell me why I should care and not as in "Give me a logical explanation for why I should care" becausw I already know what you're gonna say you moralgay piece of shit and I DON'T CARE.
Tell me why I should care about your little hurt feelings from something that I do that you don't aprove of? Tell me why I should care about what you say? Tell me why I should care that you hate me?
predatory dlc and microtransactions
drm and "game as a service" locking you out of your games, effectively stealing your money
FTFY
three takes from me
ethical argument - developers' share of profit from sales is too small compared to the publisher and store. no game developer is sitting around miserable like in that comic, they all rely on big platforms to sell their games, which make them look like that due to contractual obligations that take the lion's share from their profit in exchange for exposure. I'd rather directly donate to a developer through a Patreon or whatever instead of paying upfront through a store.
financial argument - lack of demos. or scummy vertical-slice demos that don't represent the final game's performance upon release. not gonna bet my cash on shit running okay in a time where games are almost always released like shit and fixed years later, sometimes never.
poorgay argument - not gonna spend full price unless it's a game I'd buy out of fanboyism regardless of quality, such as FF7R or Klonoa. every fully priced game I'm only mildly interested in, I'm gonna test it for a day or two and only buy it months later on a sale. no, I'm not gonna hold off from playing it and just buy it blindly later, because I need to test it first. Yes, it's only a test, not gonna play it fully unless it's a 2-hour game like Journey, in which case I'd still buy it since I've enjoyed it and want to see it sit on my library.
Piracy makes a copy rather than full-on stealing. You could say that it hurts the industry, but listen to this: What if it's a game that wouldn't be on many shelves nowadays? If they can't find some way to bring it to a modern console, one could buy it on EBay or something like that, but scalpers would likely exploit nostalgia and make old games and consoles cost hundreds, if not $1,000.
So it's either give it some schmuck and pray they don't scalp you, ooooooor pirate it. Either way, the company doesn't get shit.
Don't need to. I am stealing and getting away with it.
I'm going to use based on the argument used by Neptunia to justify piracy, and I want everyone to try and debate me to see if the villains were right all along
>There is no reason to gatekeep games to those that can afford it
>gaming is an expensive hobby due to needing to buy consoles and games and all the other shit like paid online and DLC and microtransactions
>this doesn't benefit the actual games though, there is no reason to artificially inflate the barrier to gaming with money
>so just pirate and let everyone enjoy video games
>money is ruining the creativity of developers
>many are just in it to make as much profit as they can, ignoring the quality of the gameplay experience for the player
>piracy reduces the profit drive and means only those who are passionate about games will remain
>the quality of games will increase as a result, even if the quantity decreases
>so piracy will be beneficial to gaming in the long run
>this doesn't benefit the actual games though, there is no reason to artificially inflate the barrier to gaming with money
this is a great argument in Neptunia''s perspective as a consumer. to everyone else who''s producing and distributing them, they get absolutely no funding and can't work. no work means no games.
>piracy reduces the profit drive
wrong. it reduces profit. the only ones left are richgay developers like Kojima and companies who do gaming as a side-job but got banks and shit to keep them afloat even if all of their games flop, such as Sony.
the people most passionate about games are AA or A developers making your janky low-budget niche Neptunia, not the profit-driven annual-pumping AAA fricks at Ubisoft and EA.
the quantity of games and developers will decrease alright. but not from the demographic you expect.
the "quality" of games will increase alright, since all you're gonna see in stores will be AAAs since they are the only ones able to tank mass-piracy and still being able to afford production.
What if we got a resurgence of free flash games or budget indie games? But yes, I totally see your point. Honestly I just wish Neptunia had a better argument towards piracy than
>you can't cause its just wrong, okay???
>also piracy will spawn video game Satan to destroy the world
>What if we got a resurgence of free flash games or budget indie games?
Miniclip never left. even on Steam you got a gorillion $1.99 RPG Maker style games, hentai Bejeweled clones, animu VNs and so on.
the problem is that their scale can only be so sustainable when your enjoyment from them lasts only a couple of hours.
as for budget indie games, we got our periodic Blasphemous, Hollow Knight, Deedlit and whatever. that's how it's supposed to go in a healthy way, let them come.
>wowee, free vydia
Corporations can suck the shit out of my butthole
I am currently seeding well over 120 AAA games from a 2tb Harddrive from a third world shithole and no one will ever do a god damn thing about it
thanks man
I kneel
okay cool now release your catalog of games at a reasonable price on easily accessible platforms.
But ALSO frick you I'll pirate new shit too
If you think the everyman cares about theft I encourage you to work in retail for a few weeks. People don't care, it's just a matter of how effective producers are able to prevent it.
>like vidya
>don't like spending money
Simple as
I just pirated a game right now.
HOld on let me pirate it AGAIN.
Actually. Let me do it AGAIN
What are you gonna do about?
I think most modern devs should be murdered, so why would I care about stealing their shit?
>bring a pirate in 2017+5
Not worth it if you have somthing to lose, virus are way more a pain to deal with than in 2012.
>teens think they are immune to virus
You will learn
Legitimately can't tell if Black folk like you are paid shills or just moronic zoomers.
triple A devs mostly aren't even worth the bandwidth cost. Also more gaas shit means they will just drain some morons bank account.
If you want go pirate triple A shit the boomer exec's on top don't deserve your money anyway. Buy indie games instead.
I'm a slav, it's in my blood.
And piracy is a service problem.
>it damages the industry
Good.
>it lets gamers believe games should be free
They should.
Your own comic justifies it.
Game cost too much?
Pirate
Game kinda sucks?
Pirate
Game good? Good updates as well? And on steam?
Might buy. But also Pirate.
Poll
https://strawpoll.com/polls/w4nWD3WeqgA
paying for old games has to be the most naive cope ever. guess how many dollars your new, legal copy of some old game brings the people who actually made said game. ZERO. they won't even hear about it, let alone receive a cut. they haven't worked at that company in 15 years. they were underpaid back then and look back at those days with a bittersweet agony, knowing it's some of their best work and that it was unsustainable when whatever job they moved on to makes so much more sense financially and health-wise (no insane over-time and constant fear of being fired).
when you buy an old game you are paying some fat, israeli boomer for holding onto the rights of the franchise he probably made the executive decision to ruin a decade ago. and when he sees your money rolling in he starts rubbing his hands and planning an HD REMASTER that fricks up the gameplay of a classic. old games are the LAST games you should pay for.
There's especially no harm in it if they're not even selling it anymore. Go on, ask yourself how much money the devs behind Lufia are getting, whenever you buy a second hand copy off the market?
Digital piracy is a stupid thing. Copyright is legal fiction founded on liberal capitalist grounds. Information should be free like air. You don't pay for sounds travelling through the air or light travels to vacuum into your ear. Why the frick should you then paying for gaems and films?
>But... Without money you can't live frickhead!!!
Yeah that's the fricking point huh.
>You don't pay for sounds travelling through the air or light travels to vacuum into your ear.
you don't pay for RANDOM sounds and light.
the product you're paying for got carefully selected and mixed sounds and light you can't just find out there in the street as you walk by. just like you don't find daily tasty burgers growing from trees like the free orange you can pick from one, which won't always be edible and won't always be available.
I'm trans by the way if that matters
The corporations and game shops hate me.
So I will hate them back.
based
based
cringe
literally who cares
40k authors wrote about Imperial Fists eating each other´s shit and none of you complained.
40k authors wrote 20 page monologues on genestealer ass and no one complained.
But ONE author participates in something you like BEFORE getting involved with 40k and you go batshit.
Come on, dude.
>who cares
I care.
I will now pirate your game until you specifically pander to me and treat my beliefs with respect.
I don't want transBlack personfemnism in my games and you've gotta deal with it.
>plays troony games
that'll show em.
But I thought you said "who cares"?
Hypocrite much?
im not that anon. the only post i saw was you complaining about trannies ingames and saying "ill piratevthose games".
just walk away from them entirely moron.
lack of attention kills the troony.
So is it a problem if the game is made by a troony?
Or is it just a normal game?
dont have a strong feeling either way. i do recognise than its fairly common for trannies to inject their idpol into whatever they touch though.
for the company? correct. they dont really care. for you? benefits are legion.
not really. i think there are more legitimate reasons than others. the only issue i have with piracy is jackasses trying to moralize it. no need for that. just say you want free shit. by going full digital games are doing the internet equivalent of leaving the front door open in a black neighborhood, so they have only themselves to blame.
but what's the difference between pirating and ignoring? for the company, that is.
in both cases they won't get anything. it's not like they get compensated from playtime.
>lack of attention kills the troony.
this rule applies to social media, not the games themselves. playing it or not, the troony won't know you exist and will keep on ruining shit.
If it's a westoid movie game like Uncharted, what's the difference between pirating it and watching it on youtube? Clearly you're not missing out on the game part, which is nonexistent, so you're basically stealinng hundreds of dollars from Sony. Where does one draw the line?
exactly my point. saw the Uncharted film a week ago and never had any intention of paying a single cent for it.
never had any strong interest in it either, since I looked up and saw it didn't build upon the games' lore, which I played.
so even in my case, in which there was an excuse to justify paying for it since I'm technically a "fan" of the series, it's still justifiable to watch it instead of ignoring it, considering in both cases Sony won't get anything from me, which is what I intended on doing
Glad to see you have no problem with piracy then.
Game creators are huge pieces of shit and I will do everything in my power to make their lives worse.
motherfricker millions of people already bought the game I don't think piracy is going to affect shit
>pirate every game that gets my interest
>if i like the game i donate the developers
>if the game i like is from an AAA company i email the money to any of the main directors
I am God, gamedevs have a moral duty to entertain me for free.
a real God doesn't need gamedevs, just snap your fingers and create the games already
If I made my own games then they wouldn't be fun to play, because I would already know everything about them. Gamedevs with free will are capable of making original things which amuse me.
I expected that answer from you and now I am satisfied.
Frick big corp.
I want the video game industry to die
>AAA games lmao
Why the hell should I support the AAA games industry? You get a couple good games here and there among a literal ocean of fricking garbage, and half the time you don't even know what you're going to get until you get your hands on the game. No fricking thanks.
>Indie games
Oh hey look, games I don't usually pirate because they tend to actually be decent, would you look at that!
If your ISP doesn't care, you shouldn't care either. It's the only instance of capitalism working out for the little guy.
>Justify video game piracy
Every game should have a demo because not all PC's are built alike.
Pirategays are incredibly insecure, it's why they're physically incapable of going longer than a minute without mentioning that they pirated something.
It's always anti-piracy gays that make these threads, moron
Explain why you have to bring it up in normal threads too then?
>make romhack thread
>talk about romhacks I enjoy
>bootlicker barges into thread
>"UH, WOW, WHY ARE YOU GUYS DISRESPECTING COPYRIGHT LAW, YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO MODIFY YOUR GAMES, YOU ONLY OWN LICENSES, I'M CONTACTING THE FBI ON YOU EVIL THIEVES AND COMMUNISTS"
Yeah, but the pirates are the insecure ones.
It was the only way i could play games as a poor kid
Piracy is magical
I don't think I will.
this is so low effort lmao
Piracy isn't the problem people making shitty games is the problem.
why aren't you copying dollar bills to buy it then?
>why aren't you copying dollar bills
It's too difficult, it's people do crypto currency and NFT scams instead.
but games should be free. something with an infinite supply that can be copied in seconds can only have a price if someone points a gun to your head and forces you to pay
carrots also have an infinite supply and you can copy them by the thousands if you got a backyard large enough, and yet they aren't free
you need to do serious labor to produce additional carrots. it's not the same. I just made 50 copies of recursed on my pc. you want one?
if 3D printers one day evolve into materializing carrots as easy as Ctrl-C Ctrl-V, they will won't be free
in fact, meat is already underway this process, yet look how much a veggie patty is going for.
just because it's easy to copy something it doesn't mean it's original production is just as easy, or that it only deserves 1 exact sale, then a lifetime of free shipment.
keep doing that and you're gonna have to eat the printers themselves since there's nothing left.
>if 3D printers one day evolve into materializing carrots as easy as Ctrl-C Ctrl-V, they will won't be free
because you'll need components. you don't need additional components to copy a game because it's just an electrical pattern. the resource cost to copy a game is so overwhelmingly small
the cost of copying a game is the existence of the game, which required funding to be made.
you can copy what exists, but you can't copy what won't exist due to the lack of funding.
you're robbing yourself out of Game 2 which you'd also want to pirate, so you're effectively gatekeeping yourself out of the things you''d be potentially interested in consuming for free.
>you're robbing yourself out of Game 2 which you'd also want to pirate, so you're effectively gatekeeping yourself out of the things you''d be potentially interested in consuming for free.
oh yeah, and I'm sure if I decide to eat a hamburger today over tofu I will be personally responsible for millions dying from food insecurity due to catastrophic climate change in the world's equatorial regions.
I hate these "oh yeah okay well if you do this thing, that's like everyone doing this thing!!" faux tragedy of the commons type arguments. And even so, just the mechanics of doing piracy are a huge barrier for normalgays, not to mention the moral and fear hazards it represents. It will always be niche and largely irrelevant to sales, since devs naturally cater to normalgays in the first place. They have to.
And lastly if the video game industry died tomorrow, I'd just find another hobby to whittle out the shape of my days, probably a more interesting one. And if it ended up being an information consumptive hobby like reading books or watching tv, I'd pirate there too. Until, of course, my personal pirating decimates the publishing and film production industries, and I'll have to, God forbid, pursue a hobby that doesn't deal in consumption.
>oh yeah, and I'm sure if I decide to eat a hamburger today over tofu I will be personally responsible for millions dying from food insecurity due to catastrophic climate change in the world's equatorial regions.
not but you'd be definitely be (partially) responsible for bankrupting the small developer who didn't get funding to compensate the work he put in his game, leading to the cancellation of Game 2, which you would be interested in playing, and therefore pirating it.
>I'd just find another hobby
an interesting insight into your grasshopper ways, but your rationale demonstrates a lack of overall interest into what you're consuming (by means of not caring if they cease to exist), so again, it proves my point that you're doing nothing but further gatekeeping yourself out of the hobbies you're supposedly interested in.
>
notice how they use the words "creator" and "industry" games and toys are not things you make well with profit motivation, good ones come from true feeling and soul. A good game would be made without any cash by an artist no matter what and if someone pirated their game they'd be happy because they could connect with another person. I'd rather the game """industry""" be diminished by 90% and only have these types of passionate devs create games instead of a bunch of mooks looking to get a windfall
>A good game would be made without any cash by an artist no matter what and if someone pirated their game they'd be happy because they could connect with another person
This might be the most sheltered naive moron comment I’ve ever read. Literally “paid in exposure” tier
Tell that to the guy that made Helltaker and is now selling official merchandise in Japan, kek. You're a consoomer cuck that thinks everything has a price and label tag attached to it, israeli reptile slave.
>selling
Good job disproving your own point dumbshit. I’m not saying passion projects don’t exist. I’m saying that if someone puts their blood and sweat into a game, then releases it FOR MONEY and someone pirates it, no they fricking are not going to be glad it’s getting played. That’s the price the developer decided their time and effort and passion was worth.
>Shove in only online spyware that slows your game down
>Force you onto fifty different launchers
>Can disable 'your' game away at any moment if they frick up and can't afford their online service they forced on you
>Shove their gay politics in your face every February and June but ban you for talking about your politics
>I'm supposed to feel bad when I pirate their games
>'but muh industry will die'
Good
>ubisoft
That was easy
I never liked this image because it implies you homosexuals ever gave a shit about game shops, the artist who made this likely picked up Miles Morales at a Walmart
ubisoft exists
games should be free because code should be free
code will be free once AI makes coding instead of IT nerds
>t. doesn't know how to code
>games are made entirely with code
absolute moron.
I do not care about money, and I like the interactive part of video games.
t. actual moron starving artist
any money you don't spend pirating the game is money you wouldn't have spent buying it anyway
the idea that piracy can cause serious damage to the industry is inherently flawed because it assumes the developer is entitled to your money before you decided whether or not you even want the game let alone pay for it
yeah, I was never going to buy the game in the first place. The best thing devs can do these days to ensure I buy the game is to make good multiplayer
I sure love games but anyone who believes in them at this point is an absolute moron.
I pirate for the exact same reason I use adblock, because if I dont cancel the revenue stream system the service often becomes abusive and even unusable.
No.
>no demo available
>not available in your region
>no longer sold anywhere
Anything else is just people wanting something for nothing.
>Ganker: Yeah we pirate anime whatever
>Ganker: Yeah we pirate music whatever
>Ganker: Yeah we pirate movies and tv shows whatever
>Ganker: PIRACY IS IMMORAL AND HERE'S 300 REASONS WHY; NO FRICK YOU PIRACY IS BASED AND HERE'S 900 REASONS WHY
I refuse to buy AAA corpo design-by-committee shit, but I've paid money for porn games that clearly had effort and passion put in
as long as it remains just beyond the reach of casuals, it's perfect. They can fund the games you like, while you can save money. Problem would be if the casuals get too into it and you actually lose profit.
If a game is no longer playable by traditional means it is morally right to pirate.
the times where game studios deservered money are over. frick off "it damages the industry" the industry damages the industry and it doesnt care because people buy their shit anyways because everyone buys big aaa stuff because its big aaa stuff. dont pretend by not giving your money to blizzard, ea etc you're actually making the gaming industry worse. and dont pretend stealing from one of those corporations is immoral
>what about my indie games
idgaf
>It damages the industry
God I fricking wish.
Frick capitalistic copyright bullshit. Computer data is not scarce, and I am free to copy it because it's on my computer.
That said, I still pay for most of my games because I know that people have spent time working on it and I want to give them money (unless it's ubishit or some other soulless corporate game).
I'm poor as frick
then you dont get to enjoy the fruits of others labor. at least thats how the system should work.
get a job, gay.
I have a job but I unlike you, I actually have to pay for rent, gas, food, etc.
Must be nice sitting on that high horse in your parents' basement.
get a better job, gay.
not my fault you cant budget properly.
>get a better job, gay
Sure, right after I finish my education.
Also keep in mind that I don't actually live alone and I have to support two people on a single parttime min wage income.
>you cant budget properly
I know how to budget. That's why I don't waste money on video games.
I've been in this shitty argument before and in 9 out of 10 cases your type of homosexual is either a sheltered highschool homosexual who's never had to actually live in the real world or a rich kid who has daddy pay most of his expenses. Either way, suck my wiener.
Not him, but I'm neither. I'm a HS math teacher, I'm 35 years old.
If you can't afford to pay for a product, you don't deserve to own the product. It is literally that simple, you dumb child.
no one comitting piracy cares about deserving it or not
all of your students think you're fricking lame and have multiple insulting nicknames for you
That's nice. You're still a moronic and entitled child.
High school teachers always think they're such smart shit. why can't you be a college professor anon?
I specifically chose not to get a Ph.D despite having multiple opportunities, because the politics and bureaucracy seemed like too much. I partially lied, I actually quit teaching last year for the same reason. I'm tired of this bullshit system that devalues actual learning.
Well maybe you should quit being a hardass then, there's nothing stupid or childish about entertaining yourself for free. and equating childhood to negative implications might be a personal problem you need to address on your own time, this thread isn't your psychologist. Childhood is supposed to be a time of innocence and whimsy and discovery of the world, and there is nothing wrong with bringing some traits into adulthood
Don't care what you think. I'm gonna keep pirating and you moralgays can keep seething about it.
Funny how you don't even make the "you're hurting others" argument. The only thing you fall back on is vague statements about abstract capitalist morality. Like being poor means you have to self-deny even shit that is free, just out of some vague sense of guilt and self-blame I'm supposed to be feeling? Black folk frick you. It's there, it's free, it doesn't hurt nobody, I'm gonna take.
And for the record, I DO return the shopping cart. Always. And I also occasionally shoplift.
>t. Black person
why didnt you just say so from the start lol.
White and proud, buddy :^)
You, meanwhile, are beginning sound very ~~*white*~~ yourself.
You feel like a big man? Good for you. Let it out.
>he's had this argument more than 10 times
>STILL doesnt have a higher than minimum wage job
lmao, apply yourself gay.
also, if youre such a good boy you shouldnt be wasting time on games. get a hobby you can monetize you fricking dense shit.
if you dont have the money, you dont get the toys. thats the basics of the system. but Black folk like you dont put shopping carts back in the corral.
The video game industry.
NO
If a game doesn't have a physical disc or cartridge release, and is full price, it is not only justifiable. It's also righteous, you're paying for production and distribution that didn't fricking happen. Not only that, you really don't own digital games. Just like apple ripped tumblr from iphones, it's not out of the question that videogame companies will do the same for games. Also, if it has always-online DRM or other stupid bullshit, absolutely pirate. If the industry wants to frick you, frick it back. Beyond this, I do not pirate games.
Music is different, Iron Maiden isn't going broke because I didn't buy The Book of Souls, and paying subscriptions to listen to "your" music library is simply hilarious. I'm not keeping a dvd drive in my PC just to rip music from CDs, and I'm not restricting how I listen to music by some stupid program like itunes.
I want a free thing.
Easy see what ubisoft is doing ?
Frick em.
I threw a lot of money at Blizzard up to Warcraft III, and then they turned to shit. If anything, my lack of pirating their games (starcraft and warcraft 2 twice) turned them into the shitbags that they are today, a company that hurts creators.
keep giving them money
more like Neigh Graner
If it's such a bad crime why doesn't anyone mobilize to stop it?
if they stopped it then people would have to find a new reason for their games failing that isnt "it was a bad game".
digital crimes require digital law enforcers.
take your time, but don't get used to it because they're coming sooner or later
I have no moral obligation towards big corporations.
Many people hold a flawed moral system in which doing "the right thing" is detrimental to one's own interests. If the "good" people are chumps whom the "bad" people can take advantage of easily, then the incentives of that moral system are backwards.
It is my belief that good people are only obliged to act morally towards other good people, and bad people can get fricked.
that argument falls apart once you pirate games from niche studios and indie developers, which aren't "big corporations"
Indie devs are usually ontologically evil.
theres always some excuse or justification.
just admit youre a Black person who takes things when the opportunity presents itself.
But most indie devs just take premade assets and make a shit broken game with them.
And the ones who make pixelshit earthbound autism are usually trannies or israeli, neither of which should be given money.
>most indie devs just take premade assets
and no doubt thats your justification for pirating games that arent asset flips.
well at least they are evil in their own craft, so they got clients interested in his evil-infused products.
it's different from, say, Ubisoft, in which evil comes from corporate culture and DRM but can't be found in the funny meme pirate game itself as you play.
I purchase indie games if I enjoy them, pirate them if i find them lacking or not worthy of the price yet until they discount to something I find acceptable, and pirate from AAA studios always.
your move.
fine by me.
I'm paying for AAA only out of appreciation for very specific developers / musicians / artists for the exact same reason I'd pay for a small developer to keep afloat.
the big company will always be there, my incentive instead goes for the guy to stay on his job.
Not sure if this justifies piracy of games still available on the market. If you hate the company, then the game they're making probably isn't good either, so why give them the benefit of polluting your hard drive. I hate EA and Activision, but do you think a FIFA or COD installment is ever gonna hog 100 gb of space on my drives? not in a million years.
that attitude requires mastery over fomo and integrity though.
What a disgusting artstyle
I'm not paying $60 to play a game from 1990
Piracy is literally the only thing preventing corpos to abuse on the pricing and DLC. Despite this they do it anyway because people are too dumb to pirate or don't give a frick about companies raping them on the price.
There is no justification for piracy, and it doesn't make you a chad. You just want free shit and that's ok.
If you have the money to pay and you want the game, I think you shouldn't pirate.
However it's clearly nowhere near as bad as theft. It's morally gray at worst. It's practically not even illegal as long as you dont seed. Do whatever you feel like.
Theft isn't bad either. Neither is rape.
causing quantifiable harm to other humans is bad actually, edgelord
Ah yes so the poor starving man stealing bread for his family should be treated the same as a killer.
the harm stealing bread from a supermarket does to any one human is negligible enough that there's no point in attempting to quantify it. I'm talking about stealing shit you don't need from people who will feel the impact of that theft. You also failed to address rape. Try again edgelord.
>I'm talking about stealing shit you don't need from people who will feel the impact of that theft
So not piracy, then.
Yes, not piracy. I didn't say piracy was theft.
Ok what about stealing bread from a baker? Is that not OK?
And failed to address rape? No. Rape CAN harm someone, maybe. But it's mostly harmless. Just like stealing from someone.
Equating piracy to actual theft would be like equating pirating a prostitute's only fans to rape.
Most women enjoy rape. The ones who don't only don't like it because they get something taken from them without getting anything out of it.
Indie devs try to act like they own a specific arrangement of code. They don't. I don't pay to access numbers that my computer converts into animated images that I can control. I also don't pay for numbers that represent pictures and words for me to view on my PC.
I pay for actual tangible products. I buy physical games for the plastics that make up a DVD or a cartridge and case. And also for the paper and ink used to print the label for the game and any manuals. Likewise, I don't buy books for information contained. I buy a bunch of pieces of paper and cardboard and thread holding them together.
Paying for Vidya or any digital goods is literally paying for NOTHING. They are literal phantoms. Once they are recorded on a physical medium, then they have value.
goodbye, edgelord. 2edgy5me. have fun never fitting in to society. go ahead and say "i accept your concession" because you're an npc with predictable dialogue options
keep paying for phantoms, cuck.
keep restricting freedom of information.
keep crying over people doing something that doesn't even effect you.
homie i pirate games so i don't know what any of this has to do with me. I'm not even the anon you first responded to.
why do people leap to hyperbolic conclusions as an argument style?
nowhere did that anon suggest that stealing bread and murdering someone deserve the same punishment, yet your entire argument here is predicated on that stance.
just argue normally, holy shit.
justify DRM
justify lootcrates
justify microtransactions
justify always-online
justify in-game advertisements
justify DMCA takedowns
justify being anti-right to repair
justify lobbying governments
justify paid mods
justify intrusive anti-cheat
justify embrace, extend, extinguish
justify corporate mergers
justify telemetry
justify spyware
justify digital scarcity
justify on-disk DLC
justify cloud only streamed games
justify bloated file sizes
justify shutting down online services without providing server tools
justify centralized matchmaking
justify appeals for "diversity" for ESG investments
justify crunch
justify censorship
justify cutthroat moderation
justify poor working conditions for developers
justify scammy NFT junk
justify proprietary software
Half the shit you listed would not be fixed even if all vidya was open-source
Actually I think literally all of it would be solved, that's why I emphasized proprietary software last. But no, people are content with their solitude...
*servitude sorry I forgot how english works
>always-online
>DMCA takedowns
>lobbying governments
>corporate mergers
>on-disk DLC
>cloud only streamed games
>bloated file sizes
>centralized matchmaking
>crunch
>cutthroat moderation
>poor working conditions for developers
>scammy NFT junk
None of these would be fixed with free software.
The last one is actually ENABLED by free software.
Western devs are troony Black person loving homosexuals who force their politics into their games and burn down any established series they touch. I dont have to justify piracy before these moronic homosexuals cant make games worth stealing.
Old games play better emulated or through a source port, and the people who made them aren't getting paid anymore when you buy. New western AAA games are made by israelites and gays. Nintendo are the israelites of Japan and genuinely an anti-consumer company. They're the reason you can't rent games in Japan. I buy indie games from devs who aren't homosexuals, and I buy a lot of AA games both western and Japanese. If you have a problem with piracy, then you should also hate used game sales.
Gib me dats fo free, whitey
People who are against pirating feel like suckers for actually paying for electronic toys and they get mad when confronted with the alternative.
>stonetoss
>troony fortress 2
your game is dead. Face it.
I'm curios to see how many people pirate games and how man pay for games.
https://strawpoll.com/polls/wAg3jNQPKn8
I buy things I want to see more of.
Anything else is beneath me and I dont care.
If any of you Black folk pirate something I buy... well... picrel.
I hate game devs and game companies
Who are you that I have to justify anything to you? Frick off.
I've never once felt the need to justify it and contemplate the morality of doing it, it's just something that I do.
it unironically preserves games better than the corpos that owns it.
I want to save money
shut the frick up homosexual
It's theft.
It's a crime.
Crime is for blacks.
/thread
Infinite supply means the product has no value so there's zero harm
https://fineleatherjackets.net/monkeyinflation
If you pirate games, cool
If you pay for games cool
Either way, nobody gives a shit,
I don't care if people who make bad games go out of business. If I like a game I will buy the merch and expansions and DLC and figurines and autistic collectibles anyways.
https://cdn.netzpolitik.org/wp-upload/2017/09/displacement_study.pdf
I don't have to justify shit when you're a dirty, uneducated Black person.
Frick the modern game industry, if I can kill/hurt it while playing games for free, I will.
Im not paying $80 for an original cartridge when I can get a rom for free and just play it on my pc with quicksaves and not have to deal with the limitations of original hardware.
I dont pirate mpdern games because i dont play modern games because they are terrible
>50%+ of the budget of AAA games goes to marketing
>giving them money to LITERALLY brainwash you
ishygddt
But would you download a car?
Frick you, I would if I could.
I can pirate 🙂
>we truly care about games
no you fricking don't.
I've been playing the good indie games and gz doom mods and they're more fun than any garbage AAA shit I've played in the last 5 years.
go frick yourself, I hope more pople just pirate or outright ignore your shitty games.
i dont have to im evil and act entirely in my own self interest
Console exclusive or having the original port since finding a physical copy of the game is literally impossible or far too expensive. Any more moronic cope filled questions? Dev gays will get revenue either way tbh.
If you could replicate physical objects I would take everything for free and propspam moralgays irl
>negative consumption
the only moral consumption under crapitalism
Not being a europeon, amerimutt or a wienerhole is a justification enough.
cuz i am a poorgay
>t. anally annihilated payhomosexual.
By the way, I'm selling jars of diarrhea at $1.
Or are you too poor too afford $1 for them?
To start with it should be mentioned that the negative impact of piracy is negligible, most people will follow the path of least research resistance and buy a game unless there is a service problem like the game being unavailable in their country or they are otherwise just not going to be able or willing to buy the game in the first place and that's not mentioning cases where DRM will outright make the product inferior to the pirated version.
Then there are two branches of thought to follow that up:
>Pirating games is a benefit to marketing of good games because people can try more games, it fills in for the standard demo, it cuts out the sunk cost fallacy, people will talk about games no matter if they played them or not and people will buy more games in the series if they pirated a game they thought was great and worth the cost and they are inclined to buy games to begin with
>Piracy is moral. Big publishers mistreat their developers and they're the ones who are being "harmed", the developers who have created the product are already payed, defunct or working on a competing product. Copyright is a bloated mess that shouldn't be as vastly overextended as it is so ignoring it when you don't think it should apply such as when considering abandonware simply affirms the right of the people to a free exchange of ideas.
>t. schizo larping
no need to argue further
Biden forbade me paying for them
I do not support the video games industry and want it to collapse
Having said that, I also do not pirate any games made after about 2010, because I don't play those games
I'm not fricking paying $250 for Lufia 2
>That pic
False. Also I don't give a shit.
You can't buy videogames. If I could buy videogames then I would. But since the only option is to rent it from steam, I won't.
Unless I can somehow refund the game if I don’t like it, piracy is always justified.
it's good for me
You don't get to complain about piracy unless you self publish.
Deal, but you don't get to complain about a game unless you bought it.
It's a deal anon.
Im a firm believer that software should be treated the same as physical product. I.E. have warranty, refund period and trading
until israelites stop exploiting outdated laws I refuse to comply
How the frick would warranty on a piece of software work?
>program stops working because updates or whatever
>seller is legally obligated to fix the issue
>open service centres where you bring your machine to and they will assess if its a software issue, in which they cover it or a mechanical issue in which they dont
>bu buh too much work
not my problem
This sounds like a terrible idea. I don't want to give these corpo frickers my hard disk.
its only in case customer support fails I suppose. Its fricking dumb how the responsibility to fix broken shit falls entirely on the customer
Yeah man let me just buy a game for a discontinued console
I pirate because it's the only way I can get a modded game with the advertisments, DRM and other bullshit ripped out of it.
Same as me using LibreOffice instead of Microsoft office. Do Microsoft lose money every time someone downloads an alternative free and better version of their product?
>t. corporate bootlicker
You WILL have your money taken from you and you WILL be happy.
the people who make video games are evil and hate us
of course im pirating everything, i would never finance this hellish industry ever.
i actually dislike piracy because it gives ypu too much choice and it overwhelms me personally
Games piracy is why gaming is such a big thing today. Do you think lil Jimmy at 14 y.o could buy games? no, so with no piracy your hoping lil Jimmy holds a interest in video games until his old enough to have a job and buy his own? that's moronic, let lil Jimmy pirate and become a 'gamer' so that he'll buy when his older.
>if we truly love and believe in games
who said I did. games are just a way to pass the time before you die.
You cant justify Piracy, is a crime and that's it, it's not up for discussion or a moral dillema, Pirates do it because they are poor, usually from poor third world countries.
I'll use to pirate games all the time when I was poor, now i have money, and i don't play videogames anymore, i use all my money on obscure JAV Spit fetish porn.
>is a crime and that's it
So if the government complains about something, it's automatically wrong? What about playing romhacks of games you bought? Let me guess, you think that's wrong too.
why? there's no need to justify anything you do in life in order to keep doing it
I stopped pirating a couple of years ago when they implemented the refund feature on steam - nowadays I just buy, play for 2 hours and refund instead of pirating. Its all automated if you stay within certain parameters so you get the refund every time. Got about 200 of those last year alone.
Honestly, frick right off with the "muh late-stage capitalism" and semantic arguments about duplication not being theft. You just like free shit. Own it instead of dishonestly presenting smug arguments that make you feel morally superior in the process, you're not fooling anyone with these entitled antics and you're definitely not enlightened or special.
>You just like free shit.
I just like knowing what I'm what I'm buying and I know from experience that I can trust neither reviews nor trailers.
Remember to buy your artificially scarce games! How else will the wonderful wheels of capitalism keep turning without scarcity?
>if we all stopped buying games, they would be made for free! the idea that anyone would want to be paid for hundreds of hours of coding is a capitalist lie
>Stop complaining about gacha, $70, mtx paid dlc and subscriptions! If we keep giving them money, Im sure they'll make better games! Soon! Vote with your wallet, people!
so you just want to stand on your soapbox pretending to be superior and dont want to hear anything to the contrary. Got it.
>if we truly love and believe in games
fricking lol
all my favorite games were made in the early 2000s
every game studio could disappear tomorrow and I wouldn't bat an eye
>Justify video game piracy
I want to pirate, therefore I do.
Stealing is cool, because crime is cool. Piracy is stealing no matter how much you try to puzzle it into a justified form. Therefore, piracy is cool...
But trying to explain it away as ethical/harmless is for dishonest liberal homosexuals whose egos demand that they try to claim the moral high ground in literally every conceivable circumstance, and attempt to do so by making a distorted jumble of a scenario instead of taking it as its obvious whole.
Refusing to own up to it infuses a shit-ton of mealymouthed denial into the equation, and takes all the cool out of a perfectly cool act.
Way too many major videogame companies simply cannot be trusted anymore.
Piracy is the only option available. Voting with your wallets doesn't work but at least piracy makes them seethe.
The best argument besides "lmao free game" is always that if you pirate a game you wouldn't have bought it anyway. Unless you're in a mindset where you think your money is well spent on video games rather on something more useful like better food, books, tickets to cultural events, actual useful tools or sparing your money to buy the best home you can.
>video games are a frivolous waste of money that could be spent on important things
>like other forms of entertainment where my nihilism selectively ends
midwit
>buying books