Why did Valve drop survivors having a justifiable reason why they were all adapt at firearms in the 2nd game?
Seems weird that a Football Coach and a show producer just inexplicably have the ability to use firearms with such high proficiency.
L4D2 Survivors
>The only guy we dont know real name
>Think he is really "the coach"
What a moron
louis doesn't have a strong excuse either
Yeah he does. He explains explicitly that he got interested in guns from playing Counter Strike and hit the rifle range regularly, which people bullied him for.
Valve lists his exact description as being a freshmen first string football coach after his knee injury killed his pro career in his senior year in college.
>IT job
>weeb
>gamer
>into guns
>shunned by his peers
literally me
I should've included "minus being black"
>"You're one of the good ones, Louis."
>>weeb
What voice lines hint at this?
sure
>football chad turned mentor to young men
Sounds like he's probably conservative, and conservative typically means you have a least *some* range time under your belt.
It's almost obligatory.
As for Rochelle, who's to say? She's really the only true headscratcher, but I like the idea that a woman went and learned how to shoot of her own volition.
Nevermind me. I'm moronic. I just read:
What a disappointment. I don't remember these lines at all, but it's apparently true. Kinda ruins Coach's character for me.
most people learn how to shoot as a child i dont think it's crazy you can figure it out as you go along. Plus in the opening of L4d2 coach is shown using melee weapons
Don't all americans know how to use guns?
>In 2008 Zoey's mom thought that 4 years in film school was a better career than being a cop
Zoey could have retired as a cop before she would have paid off her student debt if the Green Flu didn't strike. Her mom was beyond dumb
>woman
>being dumb
mind blown
Have you seen female cops? She most likely would've died
its a video game
aren't journalists permitted to carry firearms or atleast handguns in murika? Rochelle has a sort of reason.
Pretty much everyone is permitted to carry a firearm in America in most places.
Allowed to, yes. But being a journalist itself isn't a reason for any fire arms experience.
One weapon is easy to get a primer on, but they know their handgun, pump action shotgun, semi-automatic shotgun, whatever that scoped rifle is rifle, AK, M16, SCAR, the M79 grenade launcher, M60, and are proficient with melee weapons. And they can handle this variety of weapons while under pressure of having their ass getting torn apart by a horde of zombies, getting spat on by acid, strangled by long tongues, and jumped by freaks. That takes a little more than just the usual, "Bullet go here, point at target with this, pull trigger." briefing.
Would it be sadism when using a gun is what's keeping them alive? More like pragmatic.
I dunno man, most guns are pretty easy to figure out how to use and they have Ellis and Nick there to tell them how to use them.
the real question is how they're so adept at reloading.
It's like three or four weeks after the infection if they didn't figure it out they'd be dead.
because its a fricking video game and long reload times would be annoying
They would be dead if they didn't learn how to reload and do it fast
AKs, ARs, SCARs, all function the same
Handguns function mostly the same except it's a slide instead of a bolt
Pump action shotgun functions the same except you pump every time instead of the bolt doing it itself
Semi-automatic shotguns work almost entirely like an AR
the scoped rifle is just a bolt action which functions almost exactly the same as a pump action but with a different movement
the m79 grenade launcher functions mostly the same as any firearm as well
The M60 would be a bit harder to maintain but I'm not sure it's super difficult to use
Proficient with melee weapons: it's a game
I learned how to use guns from people showing me in like 2 minutes, I watched one or two videos about how to handle malfunctions on ARs and semi-automatic pistols and I can handle almost any firearm. It's fair to say you might not know how to use an open bolt SMG or something but you could figure it out fast.
>aren't journalists permitted to carry firearms or atleast handguns in murika?
Every single person, even toddlers fresh out of the womb are allowed to have weapons in America. This doesn't include only firearms, this includes anything that could be considered a weapon.
>aren't journalists permitted to carry firearms or atleast handguns in murika?
this is out of date, SC has since laxed on open carry law
Requiring a permit for concealed carry and not open carry is so weird. Open carrying just makes you a dick, no one wants to see a dude walking around with a pistol at the grocery store. It's not hard to conceal.
Journalists don't get to carry firearms more than the average person here really, the only exception is if they're in a place that doesn't give out permits (relatively rare) and someone or many people have made credible threats to their life, they MIGHT get a permit in the rare areas where others cannot.
>Why did Valve drop survivors having a justifiable reason why they were all adapt at firearms in the 2nd game?
ellis is a redneck, nick is a criminal, rochelle and coach are Blacks living in the black belt of USA, so of course they got to know how to handle a gun
Rochelle is a college educated TV show producer from Northern Ohio
rochelle was supposed to be a firearms expert but they cut the voice lines
I thought Rochelle was originally supposed to be against the use of guns and violence and as the game would progress she would get more and more sadistic
who the frick cares holy shit
nonwhite identified
I never understood this dumbass argument. Do you know how long it takes to learn how to operate an AR15? 15 minutes. Guns aren't that complex.
Most people on Ganker are children anon.
You're speaking with children.
homosexual ladyboy gen z children.
They don't do things, they just talk about things, then parrot whatever opinion they think will make them appear the most likeable.
yeah ive noticed
For me, its Ellis.
Hes black
Because they all live in the Deep South except for Nick (a gambler and con-artist) and every neighborhood in the Deep South rocks on the chair on their porch with an assault-rifle in their hands, next question
>LEFT FOR DEAD 1 SURVIVORS
SOVL
>LEFT FOR DEAD 2 SURVIVORS
SOVLESS
>guy that was active as a teen
>lives in the south in a smaller town
It would be more surprising if Coach didn't know how to use a gun. He's probably been hunting since he was a kid.
Coach states in Dead Center that
>"I ain't never killed something before. It don't feel right."
He hasn't been hunting before to have killed something. Also in Dead Center at the Gun Store Nick says
>"Legally I'm not allowed to own a gun."
Coach replies
>"Well I don't know how to fire one yesterday, so I guess we even."
Coach confirmed for ultra-liberal, left wing, city slicker.
This is true, and it’s not like the survivors hold onto their guns long enough to worry about maintenance. I mean unless you headcanon the pistol sidearm is the same from start to finish.
Why do journos and women constantly out think themselves and think there has to be a reason for something or someone in videogames? There doesn't have to be an explanation. Use your imagination. They still have personality without a backstory. The only thing that should matter in a zombie game is surviving.
gamergate piggu go homeu
In the first game they made it a point to explain why those 4 survived where other "carriers" didn't, because they knew how to shoot and fight.
In the 2nd game, only Nick and Ellis state that they know how to shoot in Dead Center
I never heard any lines like that from Rochelle
I don't think it's a long shot for Coach and Rochelle that either they learn to shoot or they die and they took to it naturally.
Rochelle had her gun nut lines restored in the last patch. just play her and be the first one to enter the gun store in dead center. keep picking up guns and she has lines for each one and eventually raves about wanting to own every gun in the store. they added various lines for generic actions too.
basically around half her lines were cut prior to release for some reason, but they were kept in the game files (you could even bind them on custom voice wheels before valve removed that ability) and that big recent fan patch restored pretty much all of them, along with the smaller amount of cut lines from the other survivors. I've always really liked her so I'm happy that she FINALLY got those lines restored
I feel like that's probably the reason people think she's lame or annoying, she had so few lines compared to everyone else because for some reason they cut like half of them.
I use my imagination to justify how most of the gang knows how to use a gun and propose them to Ganker
It’s fun to speculate
Wasn't Rochelle supposed to be a gun nut?
They change it so she was playing with deez, deez white nuts boiiii!
Supposed to be but the lines got axed for some reason. They got restored whenever the last patch was if I'm remembering right.
Gun nut Roch lines when?
how come they had 3 black people and no asians
They're american
gungays just like to think they have some esoteric knowledge. meanwhile guns were designed to be moron-friendly and anyone can use them with minimal learning
It's the maintenance that clinches you, keeping your gun in working order is where all the nitty-gritty comes in.
It’s actually the opposite
Guns being designed to be intuitive is one of the primary selling points of gun owners trying to bring others into the fold
>Seems weird that a Football Coach and a show producer just inexplicably have the ability to use firearms with such high proficiency.
My highschool football coach was a marine infantryman during the gulf war.
And I know techies and medical professionals that are into shooting. It’s not an exclusively blue collar thing
>No left 5 dead mod where you play as the l4d1 crew+coach
AHHHHHHHHH I NEED A MEDKIT
>play l4d for the first time
>zoey is significantly older than me and hot in a kind of "bigger sister's friend" kinda way
>teehee ill have a gf like her when i'm older
>sat here playing just now
>realise I'm either just above or a couple of years older than her by now
how old is zoey anyhow? to, genuinely, put my mind at ease, at least for a handful more years.
Favorite character/favorite campaign go!
bill and no mercy
Coach
Dead center
Dead center starts out trying to make the player feel caught up in the chaos following a full scale withdraw of ceda but every map after that is rinse and repeat, dead center kinda felt like the only real story telling l4d2 had which is a shame.
>dead center kinda felt like the only real story telling l4d2 had which is a shame.
All of the L4D2 campaigns had some kind of story to them other than Dark Carnival
in Swamp Fever they crash in the swamps and encounter a fenced off society of survivors that would shoot on sight until they ultimately succumbed to the infection
Hard Rain has you running around that mostly abandoned suburb that was evacuated (as evident by the many evacuation signs placed throughout the first couple levels). Then later you have to pass through the sugar mill, an area where other survivors put a gigantic sign up that said something along the lines of "THERE'S A BUNCH OF WITCHES HERE, DO NOT ENTER",, then at the gas station there's more signs from said survivors that demand people only take one tank of gas or else they will be shot (clearly they were no longer alive to make good on that promise when our survivors arrived)
The Parish shows the military going scorched earth and bombing everything in New Orleans. At one point in the third level you pass through the destroyed outskirts of the city and enter a house that has a hunting rifle, an ammo dump, and scratches on the wall. These scratches have both monstrous stickmen and regular stickmen, to which our survivors comment that this area must've been a warzone even before the military arrived.
>a gigantic sign up that said something along the lines of "THERE'S A BUNCH OF WITCHES HERE, DO NOT ENTER",
how did i miss that
Coach
Dark Carnival
Zoey, No Mercy or Death Toll
Nick
The Parish
Louis, and probably The Parish
Rochelle
Hard Rain
nick dark carnival
francis and swamp fever
>Coach
>Dark Carnival
remember: you gotta get your sack before going down the slide
Nick; Dark Carnival
Is that a mod? Or will the Dead Center finale actually spawn one Jimmy Gibbs Junior?
he's a rare spawn in the finale.
>600h+ played
Literally never seen nor heard of him
have you at least killed the zombie midnight riders?
what? Lies!
Pretty sure he only spawns in sp
t. 2k hours versus gay
Ellis and Hard Rain because I'm from the south and hurricanes are comfy.
The American racial passive makes them adept to using guns.
Ak47's are so easy to use even a child can operate it... and they do.
Shooting guns isn't hard moron. Braindead Americans wouldn't like doing it so much if it was.
>pull trigger
>Gun shoots
Such a deep hobby. How are you not bored to death by guns?
>gun shoots
i wish my gun could do that
>American south
>Implying shooting guns isn't something they all do for fun on the weekends
L4D2 survivors are objectively better than L4D1 survivors.
The 2 gang have way more interactions and banter.
Any target with a short enough range is not a problem to hit
>Zoey had a cop dad so it's fine!!!
That was confirmed like two years later from a supplementary comic. Don't act like it's some super deep lore or some shit.
She mentions it in game and its in her bio. The comic just solidified it.
They're in the south, everyone down there knows how to shoot a gun.
I smell ESL
I smell
Here’s your explanation: it’s a video game you fricking fanny
>implying being American isn't the only reason you need to be adept at firearms
oh I'm sorry you mean the left4dead 2 campaign that starts with only melee weapons
Nah you get dual pistols or melee, it's just that melee is generally a better option until you find a magnum.
oh no pistols! how complex!
>he thinks anyone can run akimbo with experience and get shots off at 50 yards
can you not?
The only L4D2 character that has no excuse to know how to shoot is Coach, Rochelle was written as a gun enthusiast but then had all of her lines supporting so removed for a decade until the Last Stand update readded them
So what were the lines, did Rochelle explain why or how she got into firearms?
I like to headcanon that as a reporter, Rochelle did a series on firearms and such and learned to shoot for the special report.
Good headcanon. I'll be using that from now on.
Thanks, anon.
Nice!
It's not hard to learn how to shoot guns. It's why we have so many shootings.
what do i type into console to get ellis to keep saying his stories
>L4D2 survivors have no reason to know how to shoot
Everyone but Nick is from Savannah. Everyone in Savannah shoots guns. I'm a Bong who lived there a while and I learned to shoot because Everyone just shoots.
Rochelle is from the suburbs of Cleveland. Did anyone play the game?
Yes, the one person who's not southern is the one person who's debatable.
>Did anyone remember this small detail from one of the worst characters in a 13 year old game
nah
>americans
>not having reasons to know how to shoot
homosexual
Only an idiot wouldn't know how to shoot a gun. It's 100x easier than shooting a bow.
>bowgays still coping 400 years later
>Nick
Is a criminal that isnt allowed to own a gun. He most defenetly killed atleast one human in his life with a firearm
>Ellis
Redneck that loves guns to the point that he knows where the local gunstore is. He can use a gun alright
Coach and Rochelle dont have a reason why they would be so good at handling guns but I asume its because they live in the US and everyone could have expierence in gun handling at one point in their lives.
>because they live in the US and everyone could have experience
not saying that you do but people will unironically believe this when 95% of the cities in the US and states like California exist which are cesspools of the most gun ignorant and anti-gun wretches of the country
Guns are dead simple and it's an arcade game, not a sim.
Is vermintide 2 any good? Hear people compare it to L4D
>any good
not if you want what l4d2 has
it's okay if you just want a braindead fantasy co op game
I liked L4D 1 a lot but got bored with 2 fairly quickly
It's actually fricking great and an amazing coop. Takes some time playing grinding up your character and gear to be able to play on the higher difficulties, which is somewhat of an unnecessary treshold, so it's best started together with some friends and explore the maps yourselves.
The game most likely will be abandoned once Darktide drops though.
it's good, even with such a shitty game studio behind it.. but today no one has ever taken l4d places on the best coop experiences so far
it's as old school as it gets - no grind, cosmetics or any kind of moronic shit - just plain fun and rage
>why do southerners know how to use guns?
Dont think it really needs much explaining. They spend their time shooting zombies so theyd become proficent in no time, especially with at least one knowledgable person in the group. I guess the odd point would be the very beginning of Dead Center, because they literally just met there, but you could just say melee only was canon at that point.
there's a whole conversation sequence in the elevator in Dead Center's hotel that exactly covers this, to paraphrase:
>Nick: you all shoot like a bunch of amateurs!
>Ellis: I learned to shoot before I could walk
>Coach: I've been shooting since you were a kid
>Rochelle: take it easy on me, it's my first time
this is one of those playthrough things.
If you play dark carnival and coach has high health he loves the midnight riders when you load up the second level. If you play it was low health, Coach says they had like one good song.
This is carried over in the finale where Coach will reiterate he loves the riders or that "I'm not usually a rock and roll guy but turn this shit up!"
You get the same thing where Coach will say what you posted if Nick has the most kills by the time you get to the elevator but if nick has the least kills when you get the gun store, he'll say
>this level of dialogue and lore, and letting playtime stats and results pick which one to go with
S O U L
see the thing is that we can't take voice lines at face value
Coach is a based boomer, I could see him keeping a boom stick by the door to keep hoodrats and cletuses out of his business
>coach
lives in the south where a lot of people have guns, probably liked that shooting range in that park
>rochelle
she is reporter and maybe did one about guns
It's the south
The real question is why is there only four survivors in the American south where everybody should have guns
because they are immune, the virus is airborne, everyone else got infected
this, the survivors in L4D aren't navy seal operators they're just immune people who stuck together and crazy enough teamwork is like the only theme that L4d has
They're carriers
yes
I think the reason given was that the other people would turn infected if they got scraped once, the other survivors are immune and can only die to actual trauma
Virus is airborne.
It's a "either you are immune or you aren't" scenerio.
Guns are usless when the danger is germs in the air.
didn't the army still stand by the end of 2? i'm pretty sure they ain't immune
>500 hours played
>know nothing about the characters
Can anyone give me advice to improve in pve? I feel like i never top score, and its only when im playing on normal difficulty if i ever do (which is rare)
About 100 hours played and i feel like i could do a lot better
they're americans
Nick and dark carnival
This is one of the weaker nitpicks, you can teach someone to use most firearms in like two minutes, and you can teach them to field strip and clean an AR in like 5 minutes.
Better grab errything I can.
They don't need it. The spray of the weapons in l4d is fine enough to think it's just morons pointing and shooting.
>Louis - Hit the range for fun
>Francis - Petty crook and biker
>Bill - Went to 'nam
>Zoey - Saw it in a movie
>Ellis - Would be a dishonor for a southern boy to not know how to use a gun
>Nick - A felon
>Coach - Secretly a skeet shooting Coach
>Rochelle - Liberal who’s actually a repressed gun nut according to cut dialogue in Dead Center
There we go
>Liberal who's okay with guns
Isn't that just Anarcho Libertarian?
Thing is that she implies that she wasn’t a fan of them prior to the zombie apocalypse and then starting falling in love with them by the time they all went to the gun store to find more exotic guns - the only hint of even the gun nut bit was before the restored dialogue, where she’s the most excited to use a desert eagle
Restored dialogue has her mention the anti-gun bit and her comically excited turnaround on them - so whatever breed of liberal that makes her, if at all, is beyond me tbh
>Isn't that just Anarcho Libertarian?
No, because internet ideologies were irrelevant then (and now). She was just a liberal who realized guns are pretty cool.
When your entire country has collapsed and 98% of the population is either dead or shambling husks of flesh with the minds of rabid animals, clinging to your political affiliation doesn't really seem like something that's super important anymore
Unironically wouldn't enjoy the game if it didn't have the workshop specifically weapon mods. The base game weapons feel outdated as frick with poor audio and shitty animations. I keep the weapon models vanilla-ish though with mw2 animations.
>animations
they are seriously bad
It's an embarrassing level of quality coming from a studio like Valve
>years later and still no aftermath coach
Why didn't he do it?
I always thought nick was a doctor