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Kinda pathetic that the genre has yet to surpass Super Metroid and SOTN; games that came out when I was still in highschool. La Mulana comes close I suppose.
I think the genre has a low ceiling. There doesn't seem to be anything you can do with this format (especially 2D metroidvanias) that hasn't already been done. Start low, explore till you get double jump, the map opens up and then it's just a countdown till you beat the game.
For real, what could they possibly do with these games that hasn't been done before?
I think one mark of a great MV is when it encourages the player to creatively “sequence break,” which is a difficult thing to design with a reasonably big map / ability set. Super Metroid did this in simple but effective ways, which helps its staying power. La Mulana and similar do this like “if you’re smart enough, you can go your own way” (or at least suggesting it). I think there’s a lot more that could be done here, but it requires very careful design.
All the MVs that are rote “get double jump to unlock this part on your map” - locks and keys - are honestly slop and you should try to avoid wasting time on them.
>when it encourages the player to creatively “sequence break,”
>Super Metroid did this in simple but effective ways,
Sounds really interesting. Could you name some examples?
I'm the anon you're responding to, but Hollow Knight has a surprisingly open map once you realize you can use your attack to bounce off of spikes.
NTA, but Super Metroid essentially never requires a walljump outside of the walljump tutorial pit. There's numerous items and areas that are nominally gated by high jump or having infinite midair jumps, but with clever walljumps or patient bomb jump loops you can get enough height to grab items early. The game is also very resilient to sequence breaking with its boss order with no flags that require beating the four main bosses in any particular order.
The real masterstroke though is that every ammo pickup is the same, and so your first super missile or power bomb will let you use them even if you didn't get it from the default location. The fact that Dread didn't have that same design was one reason lots of people didn't like it.
>La Mulana comes close I suppose.
lolono, dogshit game made for neckbeards is nowhere near close
2 of those images are from Metroid Fusion
Excited for Silksong, Hollow Knight is my favorite Hollowlike, I beat Pantheon 5 last month which is probably my biggest gaming achievemnt
>La Mulana comes close
I don't think anybody likes that except contrarians
Brainlet-chan-tachi...
Super Metroid is good but definitely not the best, and SoTN is dogshit that aged like milk. You're only saying this because you're a fanboy. Play more metroidvanias.
Super Metroid runs like ass, Samus has a pea shooter and it takes a while for the upgrades to come so it's actually fun to shoot shit and has that shit bomb sequence. Frick that shit. How were you supposed to know?
If you think the genre hasn’t been surpassed you don’t play many games.
SOTN is a ridiculously sloppy and unbalanced game, even just playing the game normally without looking up any guides or super hacker strats or anything byt the time i reached dracula i was completely decimating every single boss in my path, dracual died in a couple of seconds i still had fun though
I wish I had this ability to bait so effectively. Hollow Knight, Rabi Ribi and La Mulana as you said completely dominate the genre. There's no argument to be had here.
Hollow Knight is carried by its artstyle and music. It's good but not THAT good.
HK has music? I don't remember a single track, meanwhile I have memorized the entire Castlevania CotM soundtrack and I only played that game once and like 20 years ago.
kind of agree
NKG's theme is dope, but I'm not enamored by any other tracks
it has a really cool map and some very memorable moments (falling into deepnest comes to mind) but mechanically it's competent and nothing more, very basic gameplay especially movement wise
>SOTN;
aria of sorrow already did
People have the weirdest frickin nostalgia for SotN. It's a good game but literally every CV after it did the idea better. Except HoD.
As much as I love SotN's style, as a total package I honestly think AoS and PoR are better.
Carrion having you play as the infection was pretty cool, but yeah. Core design wise it hasn't really changed at all. Not much you can do before it stops being a Metroidvania
Portrait Of Ruin is better than SoTN
>CHARLOTTE
>JOHNATAN
Platformers never surpassed Super Mario Bros 3/World. Action/Adventure hasn't surpassed Link to the past. DMC 3 is still the best hack and slash. Street Fighter 2 is the best fighting game. RPGs haven't surpassed Dragon Quest 3 or final Fantasy 6. Streets of Rage 2 is still the best beat-em up. Every genre was perfected by the 4th console gen and anything newly created with the advent of 3D was perfected by 6th gen.
>platformers
Yoshi's Island, Wario Land 4, Rayman Origins / Legends, Tropical Freeze
>RPGs haven't surpassed Dragon Quest 3 or final Fantasy
oh it's bait. moving on
All of those platformers get btfo'd by Sonic 3 &Knuckles.
Neither of those are even the best Metroidvania, they're just the most iconic.
actual truth, there have been many games that had potential to reach similar heights but then fell short
garbage like hollow knight did really bad damage to the whole concept of metroidvanias and now it's plagued by moronic HK fantards and awful games trying to ape HK, now it's always either HK clones or super mediocre slop that is filled with terrible pacing and gameplay that feels unrewarding and simply ticks boxes when it comes to fulfilling the the worse aspects of the genre such as excessive backtracking and introducing too many inaccessible locations far too early (and then neglects shit like being able to mark the map for such locations)
for every one thing a new metroidvania gets right it gets two or even three wrong - the genre's cursed
>introducing too many inaccessible locations far too early (and then neglects shit like being able to mark the map for such locations)
you can get map pins. and older games like SotN and SM didn't have this at all, they absolutely suck when it comes to the maps. for SotN:
>can't place markers on map
>map doesn't auto-mark gates, ie fog gates, blue/red doors etc
>map isn't multi-colored to distinguish zones
>map doesn't have titles of zones
>map has no visually distinct shapes, all squares
Super Metroid does none of this either
Oh so the old classics don't have ALL the conveniences of more modern games of the genre. Wow what an observation.
>old games are better because they're worse!
who would win?
Kraid no diffs
castleKINO
Environmental Station Alpha is one of the best games in the genre
Too much esoteric bullshit like Noita
It's ugly as frick but indeed it's one of the better ones. Too bad the post game becomes La Mulana-tier bullshit
The 8-bit pixel art is such a tired meme at this point. That alone makes me hate the game.
>The 8-bit pixel art is such a tired meme
Words have meanings
>The 8-bit pixel art is such a tired meme at this point.
It was literally one dude making almost the entire game as his first ever proper game project.
ESA's visuals were genuinely jarring to me at the beginning of the game, but it grew on me, and eventually the game created some absolutely amazing atmospheres
It's one of the most barebones in the genre. It's not bad, but it barely has anything to it and Ganker HEAVILY oversells it.
Did you get to the postgame? That's where the real meat of the content is.
>That's where the real meat of the content is.
I wouldn't call locking you out of charged shot "real meat". More like fake salad
Its ugly and the sound design makes my ears bleed.
my favorite part of metroidvanias is finding new abilities for my moveset
I love MVs, I have a spreadsheet of progress on over a hundred I've played. But I don't get how anyone has fun with the slow, tedious ones where just getting around a room is a slog. Lamulana and momodora and ribiribi. Doesn't help when they're chibi anime slop or furry shit like FIST either.
>Doesn't help when they're chibi anime slop or furry shit like FIST either.
>play games that attract degenerates
>surprised when devs cater to said degenerates
>momodora
glad I wasn't the only one, what a fricking slog. felt like shit to control and the enemy projectiles were animated horribly
got any more of these screenshot cinegrids?
name EVERY game in this screenshot por favor? i dont recognize most of them.
guacamelee 2, Castlevania OOC, la-mulana, cave story, valdis story: abyssal city, castlevania sotn, bunny must die, la-mulana again, metroid fusion, valdis again, metroid fusion again, aquaria
Pseudoregalia honestly pushes the genre forward but you don’t wanna knowledge it cuz it stars a literal furry
Any metroidvania can be made better by not having a map
Sorry autocorrect got me, meant to say "worse"
Skill issue + filtered + low iq + no spacial reasoning
No i'm just a hopeless autist that can't stand missables and will drop games with time gated items.
Why is Metroid Fusion on there twice?
I played and loved Blasphemous 1 and 2. What metroidvania should I play next? Torn between Salt & Sanctuary and Hollow Knight. Tried The Last Faith but it sucked.
You have terrible taste. But to answer you question don't play reddit knight, play S&S
Play Salt and Sanctuary. When you finish, read the Drowned Tome.
I tried to get into it, but without a map it just felt like a chore
Yeah man it is rough without one and there exist a LOT of pathways early on; s'why I used a guide and had a great time.
Guess I should do the same at some point. It does seem worth playing, as long as you know where to go
for me its the steel centipede and mephitic arquebus
You've already played the peak of the genre, might as well move on to something else.
And they also tend to be soi/woke + degenerate indieslop. I think the only genre that beats it in this regard are rogue likes.
the concept behind metroidvania is so cool, but for some reason all the games turn out so boring.
Cave Story isn't a metroidvania.
TODAY
I REMIND THEM
some homosexual makes a profit off 100%ing metroidvania maps and selling them lol demajen
Have people grown out of SotN yet or do they still think it's one of the best?
I replay it once every couple years.
>Cat boss in Bunny Must Die not being the version with the photo of the dev's cat
Trash
I'll never get the Steam version because of this
My only issue is most of these are only good as a once off
I wish more did randomizers or different characters like bloodstained or PoR/OoE
>My only issue is most of these are only good as a once off
Not every game needs to be infinitely replayable
Funny how that mindset is so prevalent now thanks to GAAS.
Bloodstained randomizer would have been better as a rouglike thing like originally intended, and I say this as someone who doesn't like randomly generated stuff
To me, the fun of a randomizer is using stuff you didn't in the main playthrough because you get it earlier at a point where its actually powerful. But every time I've tried the Bloodstained randomizer this has just led to me getting Tis Rosian earlier, making most other spells obsolete even sooner than normal
3d Metroidvanias?
They're called "Zeldalikes"
Dark souls 1
Not really in DS you don't get movement upgrades which is required for metroidvanias to work as intended.
the only legit 3D metroidvania I can think of is journey to the savage planet
it's not very good
There are only a few that I know; shadowman, supraland and its sequel, and pseudoregalia. You can find all of them in steam.
>no one mentions axiom verge
come on dudes. the first one was great with only minor gripes. 2...not so much. like the art a bit more and the sumerian art was still cool. i just hope the 3rd gives us a gun again.
The biggest thing holding it back is that the boss fights aren't much fun or dynamic, in my opinion. From what I remember they were all big, bulky monsters that didn't vary up their attacks much.
the first one was dogshit. I heard the second was somehow worse but I never played it.
first one is absolutely not dogshit. it had great gameplay some decent weapons if you went out of your way to get the upgrades. story was pretty decent as well for an indie metroidvania. and the glitch gun was fun to use just to see what happens. 2...yeah gameplay (namely the weapons) sucked and the MC sucked. i think most of the bosses could be skipped too.
yeah but thats kinda true with metroid in general though. compare fighting ridley/kraid/mother brain and at most you have to move out of the way of one or two attacks if you have enough energy.
That's mostly true for Metroid from what I've played, though the designs are very distinctive. Hollow Knight and Environmental Station Alpha and I hope most new indie games have smaller agile bosses that are good challenges without resorting to hit trading or repetitive movement.
Its porn, but play Repure Aria 1&2 its actually pretty nice.
My only gripe was the weapon selection being pretty poor, love the fricking music and especially the background and animations syncing to the beat.
You should try A Robot Named Fight, though its less vania and more just literally Super Metroid.
>Repure Aria
How is it possible to be an artist yet make something so visually ugly?
The stage setpieces suck but the old school 3d rendered backgrounds are SOUL
Yeah I loved the story in 1 and althought I enjoyed the exploration in 2, the combat took a nosedive and the plot wasn’t as interesting.
I hope the best for 3 cause the glitch mechanics were pretty fun
Why is Metroid Fusion on there twice?
Is it possible to have 3D metroidvanias? Like Metroid Prime, but more complex and larger worlds.
Yes, but you run into the issue that 3D platforming is much more difficult to keep crisp and clearly communicated than 2D, as relevant visuals can now get in the way of each other and you can't predict the player's perspective. 3D combat is also much more complex than 2D. Aside from Metroid Prime you have games like Shadow Man, Returnal, and even Dark Souls that play with the concept of exploring an area recursively with new abilities, but in many ways the genre doesn't scale well.
What's the game in the middle with the Giant Cat.
Bunny Must Die
Thank you fren
I really need to seriously play that at some point. I've started a few times since 2007, got past the first boss each run, and then had other games or obligations come along and make me forget it for years. I'm guessing there's long since been an English patch, I have a version from 2006.
You can't name all those games
Guacamelee 1/2 Castlevania? La Mulana 1/2 Cave Story
??? Symphony of the Night ??? La Mulana 1/2
Metroid Fusion ??? Metroid Fusion ???
You're right.
I played Castlevania vs. at an anime convention and I now have a craving to play Castlevania again
Rabi ribi anyone?
It's a shame that RR and Tevi get left out of these conversations, their combat is excellent and the maps aren't bad either
Rabi Ribi is goated, my no buffs/consumable run got filtered at miru sp after 10 hours of attempts lol. now im playing irisu sp extreme bex and it might be the best boss fight ive ever faced
I've played a lot of MVs, but I still haven't tried RR. I think I'll finally pull the trigger next time it goes on sale.
>Ender lilies
good game. the sequel is in Early Access and seems like it improved a lot of things. it only has about 3 hours of content so far though.
Huh? Didn't know there was a sequel in the making for Ender Lilies, I'll go for it once it is out of early access.
Original Ender Lilies early access was three bosses and that was it until end of early access that was exactly six months later.
>the sequel is in Early Access and seems like it improved a lot of things
Is Mili still on the soundtrack?
Yes.
>Metroidvania
Aww yea-
>Souls-like
Oh not again
Yeah, I hate this meme
I was legitimately so happy when I played Alwa's Awakening just because I'd finally found an indie Metroidvania that wasn't a fricking Soulslike
Wasn't a half bad game either
I'm not playing a single fricking game that is called a "like"
It's over.
good , that game shouldn't exists or be called yakuza at all
Why not? It’s exactly like all the other Yakuza games; 90% cutscenes, 5% mini games, 5% “gameplay.”
except the gameplay is even worse than all the other games by an extremely wide margin
>guy whose entire career is based on pointing to other games as their selling points
He means that when you present your game to people, don't describe it as "it's like X but with Y!".
It would be like if Sakurai presented the Dragon King prototype and said "It's like The Outfoxies but with sumo wrestling rules".
soulslike doesn't mean anything anymore
I've things Black folk on twitch call monster hunter and the new god of war game a soulslike, completely braindead
Black folk on steam sorry, although I'm sure it's the same on twitch
>Black folk
Grow up.
Would you?
She has a Jersey accent. So maybe?
this game looks about as fun as eating dog shit
How? The game is really fun metroidvania wise. Can you tell me what you dont like about it?
I just hate dark souls and this kind of boss design where you hack away at a huge health bar, it's not fun
It's more like Ikaruga. All Metroidvanias do it, you just dont see the health bar.
Nah man Ikaruga is a fun game that takes some skill to the bosses, you don't just shoot at them like a bullet sponge, if you have some skill you can even beat them quickly and stylish. Also quit calling it "metroidvanias", it's fricking stupid. Stop perpetuating this meme right now you fricking homosexual.
It's Ikaruga because you change sex to pass through projectiles of the same color as you.
I can't tell if you're trolling me or not, what the frick lmao. Troons be wildin out here
It's the point of the game. Flipwitch is about a witch who get the power to turn into a guy when she want. You know, like a ton of animes about it. Stop making everything into transexuals.
That sounds pretty gay man
Truthfully, this mechanic was pointless in this game.
For the few bosses that use it, it felt good. It was better with, than without.
Also, the accepted name is Metroidvania. Since the 90s. It's not a meme, it's the literal category.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metroidvania
Just like Doomlikes or Soullikes
Nobody said this in the 90's though. I was there trust me.
People used it since the early 00s when Symphony came out. Which ironicly enough, was based on Zelda more than Metroid.
For every one basedbeard journo that used the term there were millions of normal people who just didn't do that
Not the Anon you've been talking with, but I'll throw in my two cents to say what I didn't like about Flip Witch.
Firstly, the gender-switching gimmick is pointless. It's just used for half-assed platforming and bullet puzzles like the other Anon said. I would have preferred it to be something like Portrait of Ruin, with both girl and boy forms having different abilities.
Secondly, while movement in the game is surprisingly good (you can do the DKC thing of rolling off the ledge, maintaining your jump and then jumping in mid-air) the actual map kind of sucks, and teleport spots are in really inconvenient locations.
The special abilities that you find are all incredibly lame to use.
But the game does look fantastic. Pixel-art is great, and the character designs are memorable. I just didn't really like playing it.
I liked the Gender flip platforming and boss fight integration myself. I wish it was pushed more, like different attack patterns or powers, but it was fresh.
The map felt pretty okay to me. I wished for more shortcuts via new powers to make trackback better or more teleport points. There was no cross level passways ala Banjo Tooie, which felt sad to me.
I mostly used the same special abilities, and they were the low point for me too. I also didnt like the large focus of quest just being getting gold to buy a costume for a scene. But for an Hentai game, it goes WAY beyond what 95% of other Hentai games do.
Valdis story is one of my favourites but Ganker never discusses it. The combat and platforming feel great and all the characters feel like a new experience.
I'll give the caveat that combat is one of the most important things in a game to me.
why can't we have more vanias and less metroids? I need more games like SOTN or Bloodstained but no one even tries to make them.
>Ghost Boss
C'mon, should've gone with The Busty Banshee Baroness.
I like them better when they're more Metroid and less Vania.
>I made a bad sequel... on purpose
Although it sucked I can see where he was coming from. Indra isn’t a Patternmind and Trace is sought by the Rusalki exactly because that trait allowed him to do what she can’t.
The author tried to work around it so Indra’s gameplay focuses more on stealth and restrictive paths, while Trace’s encourages combat and breaking through the game glitching it.
In a sense it worked but in the end it’s way more fun to play as Trace it’s also way cooler when you learn he IS Athetos
It's so sad that the game plays worse, the music is worse, and even the sprite work is worse
what a fricking waste
I suppose we should be glad the waste was spent on a weird virtually unrelated storyline, instead of picking up where AV1 left off. So theoretically, we still have something to look forward to. Right?
Though I won't say its the best, La Mulana is my favorite. It has so much soul
I liked Record of Lodoss War quite a lot. Shame it's so short though.
I really wish this one was a long series with like 8+ games but I feel like Ladybug isn't gonna retread it
I like the other games but I just don't enjoy these kind of games with chibi sprites as much
Yeah, when I saw the open ending, for a moment I thought that this was just like a prologue and the next game will be the real thing, with a big map, taking place outdoors too, and in towns maybe, but then I found out that "open ending" is where the new novel/manga starts.
>actual professional pixel art
damn this is nice. shame that AAA pixel art games don't exist anymore and it's carried entirely by hobbyist amateurs off twitter
cave story isn't really a metroidvania
Play Vigil the longest night.
>that WEG looking MC on top of trying so hard to look as soulslike as possible
no fricking thanks bro holy shit
rollslop has rotted your brain so hard you think anyone standing outside at night in the fall is "imitating bloodborne"
>
Fromslop didn't invent UI elements, moron.
I see, you're being moronic on purpose. Forgive me for falling for the bait.
I bet you also think MH is a "soulslike"
Yep, just like every non-linear platforming game is a "metroidvania" now
In a sense, all games are ponglikes.
Nah, its got its own style entirely.
Which genre gets abused the worst. Metroidvania, Roguelike, or """RPG"""?
Think about it, MH has
>rolling to evade attacks
>stamina bar
>big bosses
>UI elements on the screen (according to the other anon this was invented by fromsoftware)
>lack of a real story
>"""""lore""""" as item descriptions
I thought you were being completely disingenuous with the UI elements thing, but if you actually can't tell the difference in how the two games both player and are stylistically different (the thing you are failing to recognize) then maybe you actually are this moronic.
wow so is all about style, I guess DMC is a soulslike franchise since it is all so gothic and edgy.
This is your last (you), spend it well.
I just got a galaxy brain moment anon, since from software invented dark fantasy and gothic styles I think Castlevania, as in the original NES Castlevania is actually a soulslike.
that's fine but monhun can't be a soulslike because it predates souls by a decade therefore even if the two series were the same it's souls that should be called a monhunlike and not the other way around, you fell into my logical trap owned like kids say
But anon MH based all its mechanics on PSO so MH and by extension DS are PSOlites.
In conclusion, metroidvania games should be called PSOvania likes now.
PSO doesn't have a dodge, or even a manual block.
And that is why they are PSOlites not PSOlikes, honestly you need a high IQ to understand this, so I don't blame you.
But PSO was a randomly generated dungeon crawler where you go down floor by floor, thus making it a roguelite first.
So all games are a roguelite, huh? one guy, no continues, life also a roguelike.
>life also a roguelike
You don't get to keep any progress, and the world isn't randomly generated either sadly. It's more of a mariolike.
For me is a circus charlielike.
>big bosses
>stamina
>emphasis on evading then counterattacking
>lack of a real story
Admit it.
They're Punch-Out-likes.
What does that make IWTBTG then, since it's a metroidvania that also includes Mike Tyson from Punch-Out!! as a boss?
A quest in this game bugged out for me and I couldn't get the true ending anymore, made me drop it very close to the end but it was not very good anyway.
Personally from last year I greatly enjoyed Worldless, it's a bit short but the combat system is very fun.
How?
Wonder Boy III The Dragons Trap is the best
I'm stuck on the final boss of bunny must die. There's still Greg market steam keys available (or pirate it). Haven't tried the original PC release or updated ps4/switch version.
I just bought Grime for like $2 off cdkeys. any good? been waiting for a while now, seems like it's done getting updates
It's pretty damn solid but it's trying too hard to ape dark souls so some of the boss design is horseshit and difficult in ways the mechanics don't really justify. Strong aesthetics though.
METROID ISNT A METROIDVANIA
ONLY GAMES THAT ARE DIRECTLY RELATED TO OR INSPIRID BY CASTLEVANIA: SYMPHONY OF THE NIGHT ARE METROIDVANIAS!!!!
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
You seem upset
He has autism, don't worry about it
Cringe and bluepilled.
While "Metroidvania" was originally named after Castlevania games that had seemingly Metroid elements, both Super Metroid and Castlevania Symphony of the Night -and all games inspired by them- share more gameplay and design elements than they differ, and Castlevania's more RPG elements (or Metroid's lack thereof) are not enough to distinguish the two as separate distinct genres. Yes the name could be better, yes not all "Metroidvanias" will inherit all Metroid or vania aspects, but so are all video game genre names, the name is just a shorthand to easily explain what type of game it is and it works.
Speaking of, getting real tired of how many games are more vania than metroid. Enough with the stats, dammit. I just want my glorified scavenger hunt. I want to find shiny new toys to play with, not to grind XP.
i want an igarashi-like with a scifi or modern setting. Basically I want guns and tech but also RPG mechanics.
There's like 4 good modern metroidvanias lmao
>Animal Well looks great but it's also doing the ESA wiki autism thing where you're expected to collaborate with others on discord to find everything
>Blade Chimera from Team Ladybug looks alright
>Grime 2 might be good
>Silksong likely to be a 100h game at this point full of bloat, will harm replayabaility which is one of the best parts of the genre
>new 2D Metroid next year supposedly, not expecting much, devs are good at combat but not much else
what else is there? I'm not super confident in the genre recently. seems like people either decide to copy Hollow Knight or Blasphemous and call it a day
I'm just waiting for blasphemous 2 ng+ dlc
I had a good time, however short, with Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth
i beat rain world, environmental station alpha, and la-mulana without a guide
should i play la-mulana 2 or dead cells next?
Dead cells isn't a metroidvania is a rogueslop.
ok thanks, i'll try out noita
Noita is a rogueslop too and chances are that you will get filtered 10 minutes in anyway.
the games i listed before filtered me hard at some point, with the exception of rain world maybe. but that's the fun part, challenging yourself and overcoming them, the latter part especially. you don't ever want to admit to being a brainlet
>rogueslop
name one game that does the same thing noita does
only noita advice I will give is pay a lot of attention to wand stats and spell modifiers.
you should try noita out without a guide
Are there any good shootan/ranged focused metroidvanias?
I have played Axiom Verge, Environmental Station Alpha Dark Complex and Ghost Story and Dark Complex was the only one I even slightly liked. I don't really see the appeal of Axiom Verge or ESA if I'm being honest.
Yeah I've played those two Hollow Knight mods, I want more.
I've been playing Minishoot' Adventures, it's a twin stick shooter (top down with a ship). It's like a metroidvania in that you unlock upgrades over time which open up new places to explore, but the world design is closer to the original Legend of Zelda.
what game is this?
dumb fricking ape
the name of the game is flipwitch ghost?
type it in google
do it
I already did, its called having on conversation jeeze whats wrong with you people
Took me 3 seconds to find the game with the filename, learn to search you triple homosexual.
Anyone checked out Minishoot' Adventures? It's pretty fun. It's closer to classic Zelda (overworld is very original Legend of Zelda) but those games have a lot of overlap with Metroid.
metroidvania of the year so far
What’s the second bottom one? Right of Metroid Fusion.
Looks kinda like Valdis Story, which is pretty great but I have my issues with it.
Thanks
They're called hollowlikes
you should be banned for this post
I recently had the opportunity to play through Aria of Sorrow and I do think it might actually be better than SotN.
That said, SotBlack folk need to hang, Super Metroid is the vastly superior game, and SotN permanently ruined buttholevania.
They are called Silklike in fact.
I need more metroidvanias that
1. Have a gothic aesthetic
2. Have realistically proportioned, non-chibi sprites
3. Have a wide variety of cool monsters based in real world folklore
4. Feature sexy monster women sometimes
I wish Castlevania never died. None of its successors scratch the itch. The closest have been Bloodstained and Grim Guardians.
Blasphemous?
that game is such a slog
I should try it tbh
I mentioned that
I kinda don't like the vibe of the graphics, but maybe I'll check it out
>I kinda don't like the vibe of the graphics
In which case I may have gone wrong in recommending it because some areas(tower of light) are horrendous to look at and will most likely fry your eyes
Ender lilies but you play as an extremely scared little girl with jojo stands.
I actually ordered the physical of this a week ago, here's hoping
It is a very pleasing game, people say it leans a bit on the hard side, but I don't think that's true.
Bloodstained?
fricking idiots
bloodstained
I don't know about realistically proportioned sprites, or sexy monster women(the final boss is a sexy woman) but Aeterna Noctis is a bit like that. It's hollow knight with worse combat but better(or rather far more difficult) platforming.
You might like Infernax though the art style is pretty simple because it's mimicking shit like simon's quest and zelda 2.
I played that recently
Evil playthrough is an absolute b***h to complete thanks to that boss fight with the two guardsmen. I eventually gave up, it just wasn't fun beating my head against that wall
At first glance this looks cool as shit. Thanks for the rec.
Death's Gambit.
The game might be on a gray area of what is or isn't a metroidvania tho, but for me, it is a metroivania and a very good one at that.
I agree that the game is very good but in my opinion it is more of a souls like, especially considering the level system.
I think what's actually holding up the series being continued is that Konami wants to do ANOTHER 3D reboot instead of a 2D Metroidvania. I got no evidence of this, it's just something I feel in my gut.
Is there a harder bossfight in any metroidvania than Irisu BEX from Rabi Ribi?
Nah, backtracking is just lazy shitty game design
you homosexuals will argue over literally anything
repostin my list for eternity
>Valdis Story: Abyssal City (Actually really fricking good and hard)
>Touhou Luna Nights (Time stop 2hu fun)
>Deedlit in Wonder Labyrinth (literally same game as above, same deal)
>Environmental Station Alpha (a bit pretentious in how it handles secrets, but good)
>Pharoah Rebirth + (Haven't put much into this but its solid)
>Aquaria (OLD game, but amazing metroidvania.)
>UnEpic (A little cringe at first and difficult but I ended up loving it)
>SteamWorld Dig 2 (I had zero expectations for this and was surprised at how fun it was)
>Ghost 1.0 (Kinda cringe western anime style, ended up being good)
>AM2R
>KreisReise (Holy SHIT the camera is a b***h but eventually you get used to it)
>ゆりかごのそら "yurikago no sora" (EXTREMELY CHARMING, high japanese density, reading optional but menus might trip you up with no experience)
>Blue Guardian Margaret (ecchi, underwater drowning simulator, horrendously difficult.)
>迷宮のミウPLUS (3D exploration metroidvania, you will get lost a fricking lot, reading somewhat optional but menus are bad)
>Repure Aria 1/2 (Porn, actually a VERY good metroidvania. English fan patch somewhere)
>Boho Youyoumu (Touhou themed doujin metroidvania, not porn. Pretty decent)
>Asakura/Asakura P!
>A Robot Named Fight! (Its literally just Super Metroid)
>Vision Soft Reset (prince of persia-esque time rewind/branching timeline gimmick)
Not quite "metroidvanias"
>Crosscode (Scratches a similar itch)
>Hyper Light Drifter (Same as above really)
>Iji (More stagelike, not much of a persistent world for backtracking, freeware)
>Meritous (Yes this counts, freeware)
>The Messenger (More old Ninja Gaiden but with some collectables and explortaion)
>ASTLIBRA (More hack & slash, like OoE but even more linear. Amazing game)
>Gal Guardians Demon Purge (More classicvania, don't get baited by trying to explore early nothing will happen)
Do any of these have non-chibi monster women
repure aria, aquaria, and astlibra
though depending on what you consider "chibi"
Bless you
>webm
Huh. Fetish discovered, I guess.
You may be interested in basically everything from FoxEye
https://foxeye.squares.net/
*Filters 95% of the thread*
Nothing personnel.
*Metroidlikes.
None of them are as good as wonderboy 3 or super metroid.
>wonderboy 3
I played a bit of the remake and immediately got bored.
What I like about SotN is theres so many items to get
You should try this:
I'm surprised more people don't talk about Afterimage. The sprites are gorgeous and it has a lot of interesting combat options, it was really fun to play. Lots of content too.
I feel like lots of games try to do the CV thing but don't give the player nearly as many build options as most of the CVs.
The story is kinda hard to follow though, the translation feels kinda MTL-ish
It's on my wishlist
>check steam reviews
>most of the negative ones are complaining about map too big and no minimap
yeah, I can tell it's gonna be ludo when I finally buy it
I liked the NextFest demo but it's one of those "wait for a good sale" type games.
I need to finish this, the problem is that there is one boss that filtered me hard
Which one?
I have it coming in the mail, I'll let you know
I got to play a demo of it early at a con last year. My first impulse was to say that it's decent but weirdly made some mistakes that Grim Guardians didn't, like stopping all your momentum when you attack which makes it feel kinda sluggish.
It was a lion that throwed rocks from the ceiling and charget at me fast
>don't play for 3 days
>forget the map and what I was doing
>drop game forever
I used to do this but I realized if I just run around a bit I usually get back on track pretty quickly
Is Metroid Prime 4 ever happening
it's either nintendo's holiday title of a switch 2 launch release
Play The Messenger, you fricking homosexuals.
Not really a metroidvania, but its still a good game.
Actual trash dogshit of a game that only sells because a couple of the boss sprites have jiggly boobs
Filtered hard.
>Filtered
Post your 100% completion.
Game is dogshit.
the thing just died in like 3 hits. what do you mean by hard?
The messenger is a metroidvania tho, you know the drill, get movement upgrades, return to previous inaccessible places, interconnected map, that kind of stuff.
Yeah its only just barely a metroidvania because instead of a stage select theres just a single arbitrary door halfway back through another stage. Ironically the DLC was way better designed and it had absolutely zero backtracking at all, just one linear shot to the end.
No it's fricking mediocre and blows the meteoidvania aspect big time you stupid fricking moron.
I did back when it launched. No need.to be rude.
Good fricking game and banger OST
>The Messenger
Do indie developers know how to copy anything else or even have the balls to? Why not make more classic Casltevania clones instead? Those games were based as frick. Perhaps its too hard for them to create compelling enemies, encounters and level design? Did these indie asshats ever even beat a single classicvania game? I think not.
Gal guardians, Maya only legend mode.
Bloodstained CotM 1 and 2
Rusty
Master of Darkness
Frick I can't remember the name of the like $2 DS eshop castlevania game. It was decent, you could switch between fire and ice forms
Found it, Soul of Darkness
How is Yohane Pavillion?
Making me want to replay dread, op!
Metroid dread and monster hunter are the only games i didn't sell on my switch
I actually prefer Fusion over Super Metroid. I didn’t like the movement in Super, and while Fusion had a fixed path I liked the atmosphere it had with SA-X roaming around and the X Parasytes making use of the systems and the like
I don't really think Pizza tower is anything near a metroidvania.
it's actually really solid, had no expectations at all going in based on the character / art style but was really surprised how fun the platforming and even combat was.
you can change sargons appearance too so he doesn't look moronic.
>that zoomer haircut
No, thanks.
you can change it like I said, either way I judge a game on how fun it was and I thought it was really fun.
Great game. Looking forward to the dlc
It's the best game of the year so far, shame so many people slept on it because of WAKANDA FOREVER
They did themselves no favors with Sargon's awful design. I honestly just went into it blind a few weeks ago because it was on sale for $30 and was really pleasantly surprised how much fun it was.
Difficulty wasn't too hard even on the highest setting, though the final boss gave me a bit of trouble as well as the Archer boss until I figured out a good strategy for him.
The best part of the game though was the platforming which was really fun
>The best part of the game though was the platforming which was really fun
Damn so it really is a PoP game? Shit maybe I should buy it
the ship setpiece hits you like a truck huh
great game
I'm confident this will go on sale for $20 before the end of the year. I will pick it up then.
The bosses were also pretty challenging but never too frustrating. A good balance if a bit bland overall.
Play HAAK if you like Prince of Persia's platforming challenge and design
Is haak parry based? I much prefer that to sliding around. There‘s nine sols coming but that‘s a bit away still
Souldiers makes me sad. It would have been a great 2d action platformer but as it is it's just a really fricking tedious game where the metroidvania aspects completely stifle the game with long, boring to retread maps, really unrewarding loot and tedious side questing. No way in shit am I finishing this game once, let alone three times for each class.
Not really, no. It's mostly all about dashes and fairly simple combat, the meat I felt was in the platforming and kind of neat story.
Also it clearly had a much grander scale at the start but then there's a lot of areas that were either cut content, yet to come DLC or sequel material. It also has the shitty story sequences where you get locked into dialog or linear corridors moving forward and then getting locked into dialog.
Shame. Blasphemous 2 and prince of persia had great combat and i‘m looking for more in that mold
Minoria is very parry based but I honestly disliked the game a lot.
Take a look at Grime
Grime is shit also made by Isr*elis devs
my man when you blame everything on the israelites it gets harder to take you seriously when you blame Israel on the israelites
the combat is a bit clunky in Ender Lilies, but it still has good boss fights. you also unlock a boss rush mode after you beat the main story.
Ender Magnolia (the sequel) seems to have tightened up the combat, but it is in early access and only has 3 hours of content so far.
Not at all
It focuses way more on exploration and platforming than combat.
The combat is ok though, just watch some walkthrough videos / boss fights on youtube to see some previews.
It's cool to hear the new prince of persia game is getting more content. Man I really enjoyed it. Hell I actually got lost in the game a bit and i can't even remember the last time thats happened to me in a metroidvania.
bloodroot is pretty fun. There's like 80+ weapons though sadly the boring practical ones are usually better. Or maybe I'm just bad.
Also it's an h game but there's very little h content.
Are the Momodora games good I just downloaded all of them
they're bland
Cool well they were free so no skin off my balls gonna crack open a bear and check them out.
They're alright, its more about the atmosphere.
They are short but sweet, kind of like Shantae games but even shorter and slightly harder.
You can probably finish them all today in a single sitting if you don't suck at action platformers.
They get better with each game, can't speak for the latest entry.
I like the one I played. Reverie Under the Moonlight I think?
The mechanic where you get a unique ability from each boss if you beat them without taking damage was a really good idea. I'm not a challenge run guy but that made me start a second run where I was trying to get all of them. Got hard walled by the fencer chick though iirc
Really? I didn't know that. RUtM seems good for replays with the new game+ different enemy placements but I never bothered.
Yeah I would have totally missed it too except I accidently got one somehow and looked it up. I dunno if the others do that too, but I love it.
They have great graphics but awful gameplay.
STOP MAKING METROIDVANIAS WITH CONTACT DAMAGE!
More like contact virgin
I started making one without contact damage and people complained about not having contact damage
those people are wrong
Are you the catgirl gamedev?
yes if 2d, no if you mean the 3d catgirl dev.
I meant the 2D one. Your game looks dope, and the contact damage anons are incorrect.
I see. Thanks
Is this some kind of bait
I'm never played a metroidvania in my fricking life without contact damage
It‘s a shit mechanic devs use when they can‘t design interesting enemy patterns so they just turn every enemy into a projectile and have them jump across the screen like spastics
Don't open this image, you'll cry and shit and piss yourself
Post 3D metroidvanias that aren't Metroid Prime.
Currently enjoying afterimage.
Hell yeah
Afterimage is my favorite metroidvania of all time.
I like Reene.
The story is great if you ACTUALLY play the game until completion (true ending) and ACTUALLY read all those infodumps. the story really is a brainlet filter.
There are some Steam threads and youtube videos about it
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1701520/discussions/0/3830918083270150478/
>game has a legally distinct version of the vampire Killer
>it's not the strongest whip in the game
I went DOOL WEELD + Sword for my run, but still.
Whip had some fricked up synergies with things that procced on getting multiple hits quickly. I did whip and greatsword and tore through most shit, but I also only learned after beating the game that hard was the intended difficulty and normal was a overtuned easy mode.
To be fair the vampire killer is rarely the strongest weapon in any of the igavanias if it's present.
Funny that it was at its absolute most busted in the hands of a Morris.
Outside of bonus modes, it's only in two of them. In HoD, it's the only weapon you have. In PoR it arguably is the strongest weapon
he doesn't use scythe
if a game has scythe, I use scythe
Afterimage is kusoge. knew it as soon as I saw this enemy in a room that's too big to even get in there, plus the room / environment doesn't even make sense
Isn't that 9 Years in Shadow, not Afterimage?
That's the latinx Saint Seiya game, moron
You might be ficking stupid, mate
Afterimage filled the metroidvania void just a little bit.
what are the chances of this stealth dropping in the next month or 2?
0. Stop getting your hopes up for no reason
0.1%
The big meme of releasing as April Fools has passed.
after getting rated in every single country probably pretty high actually. it will more than likely come out this year at the very least
Holding out for that Triple I presentation, personally
Team Cherry weren't listed as a partner, so I'd doubt it. Silksong is big enough that it'll be E3 (or whatever Geoff does) or a Direct, or just a shadowdrop
Oh, well, shit. Thanks for tempering my expectations so I don't get let down, anon.
Tasteless coomer homosexuals in this thread. Stop ruining the genre with your catgirls animegirls witchgirls magicgirls buggirls etc etc ad infinitum. The frick is wrong with you all? Fricks sake this is why we can't have nice things.
To be fair a lot of recent metroidvanias are weebshit so blame the devs
Based Wonder Boy chad. I just got Asha in Monster World the other day.
>300 replies MV thread when I was a sleep
every time.
Anyway I just beaten 3 MV games recently
1. Prince of Persia
Great Platformer challenge, ok combat, annoying boss fights
7.5/10 recommended,
similar game to this, but way better: HAAK
2. Rebel Transmute
Very annoying exploration, combat (shooter) and spongey boss fights
3/10 do not recommend
similar game to this but way better: Haiku the Robot, that one is far
3. Grime (Switch)
THIS SHITTY PORT IS BORDERLINE UNPLAYABLE with so much performance issue. I beaten it anyway... overall, very "mid" game, regardless performance.
0/10 DO NOT PLAY ON SWITCH, as a game 5/10
Similar game to this: can't think any...
Next MV game I'm gonna play: Minishoot Adventure and Biomorph
Luv me wife, luv splorin', luv splorin' with me wife. Simple as.
Why are there so few 3D metroidvanias. I can think of like two maybe three Prime-likes. I'm not crazy, that's weird, right?
Much harder to design. Dark souls would pretty much be a metroidvania if there was ability gating and so would a lot of games
I've seen this argument before, and it confuses me. Surely the sheer notion of ability gating naturally guides level design.
dark souls fans will take any opportunity to compare other games to dark souls
the world design does feel like an evolution of metroid prime but yeah the lack of abilities gating and terrible basic platforming and movement disqualifies it
>metroidvanias are fun
>your mom is fun
bro I think your mom is a metroidvania.
I have these downloaded
>Biomorph
>Deepening Fire
>Cookie Cutter
>Laika: Aged Through Blood
>Paradiose Guardian
How good are they?
Laika's pretty good, depressing though and spends a whole lot of time talking about periods.
dunno which one is worse, Rebel Transmute or Astronite or Vision Soft Reset
Vision Soft Reset fricking rules
my Metroidvania Journal, Backlog and Wishlist
Left = 2023 (done)
Right = 2024
How far did you get in Astalon? I dropped it an hour in but an anon convinced me to pick it back up, and I ended up really enjoying it. Also props for being the only other person on the planet to play FIST and Vernal Edge.
can I have that excel sheet?
so I can fill it with my personal shit taste
just make your own
it's my personal diary
shit, I might do it too right now, kind of feel soothed at the thought of having this list
I might be a legit autismo
>Dread, 4
yeah I'm thinking based
Grime
Give me games with NO MAPS
I want to be completely fricking LOST
I want to explore LABYRINTHS with NO HOPE of return
that dark souls clone with art style that looks like potato. Salt & something I forgot
During the latest Steam sale I grabbed Sheepo, HAAK and Transiruby.
>sheepo
Short but pretty fun. Rather than getting permanent abilities, you gain contextual ones that are based on what animals you have near you. This means there's very few areas where you have to think about what to use, but rather it's more about the execution. Nothing's particularly hard here, and no combat at all.
>HAAK
Very fun movement with multiple air dashes. Has a lot of combat but only 1 or 2 bosses could be considered challenging at all. Has a bunch of missable items which is kind of annoying
>Transiruby
Currently playing this one. Main gimmick is that you can freeze enemies to turn them into platforms. I'm actually getting lost a fair bit since the map's so zoomed out it's hard to really use it to figure out what area leads to where.
>indie dev makes a game
>it's yet another 2D metroidvania to add to the pile
>I enjoy it playing it
I am a simple man
better than roguelite / deckbuilder
Every time I see what looks like a promising metroidvania and I see "roguelike" in the description I shed a single tear. Why do devs do this to their creations?
>Ultros
God that fricking game. I even liked the weird XP system/healing item thing they had going on because it was clever and something I'd never seen, and then they told me I'd have to go back to shitfrick nowhere and clear out those hallways again for the honor of buying back my abilities. No goddamn thank you. Also the neon aesthetic was cool but everything was overly detailed to the point all the areas looked the same. Felt like I spent more time looking at the map than I did playing.
If you want a timeloop metroidvania but good take a look at Vision Soft Reset.
Don't tell me it's a roguelite. I'm actually looking forward to that one.
no but it has roguelite elements, world resetting, every time the world reset, environment slightly change (trees grow taller that you can use as platform)
it turned me off so I just ignored the game altogether.
Hmm. Sounds weird. I still have way too many MVs in my backlog, maybe I'll pick it up when it's cheap.
Roguelikes are good. Roguelites are zoomershit through and through
Any metroidvanias with melee combat only?
why so few 3D ones
No idea. I don't buy the idea that they're harder to design, since level design is naturally guided by ability gating. Might be the lack of resources, actually. 3D games are more resource intensive, though honestly not by that much these days. I would love to see more Prime-likes, personally.
Good 3D level design is just hard, and 3D movement isn't as easy to sculpt and convey well as 2D. Think about how many 2D games have good wall jumping vs 3D games with good wall jumping.
metroidvanias are just hard as frick to make, or at least make well
can't remember which dev it was but they posted in detail all of the challenges that come with making one and it seemed like torture. you have to be hyper-aware of player pathing and constantly tweaking things, thinking about how players might go through the map in different ways, whether they might block themselves off, whether it feels guided enough while still allowing some freedom so players aren't always getting lost, the order they get abilities etc
making it 3D just complicates it even further since it's not as easy to make quick adjustments to the environment
metroid is trash
>is complete vaporware
frick. the new Prince of Persia doesn't look anything like it should either
There's a prince of persia roguelite coming this year by evil empire if you care about that genre
>roguelite
whose fricking dick do I have to suck to get a cinematic platformer?
wait it's 6 posts above mine lmao
Isn't there a Stealth-based metroidvania coming soon?
I just googled it
The Siege and the Sandfox
>Siege and the Sandfox
Never
and
Ever.
I'm still annoyed that we didn't get an Aquaria sequel after that cliffhanger. The dev gets sea loaves in his stocking.
I tried to play it again this year and for all its ambition and charm it didn't really solve the problem of 2D metroidvanias where you fly/swim insofar as because your verticality isn't gated by gravity, all of your abilities are essentially just door openers. That's true of any metroidvania if you're reductive but it gets even worse once you can't use the stock things of double jump and glide to make certain gaps impassable.
And yet somehow despite that and despite being dated by 15 years, it was still miles better than Pronty.
Yeah, and I didn't really like how you had to swap modes every time either instead of stacking each new part of the Verse into your kit like Metroid would have done. That said, I still like the game a lot and replay it once every four years or so. It had a lot of neat shit going on, like the way all the music tracks in the game are actually parts of the Verse, or the way Naja momentarily freaks out when you find the whale(not to mention her other small unprompted interactions with stuff in the environment or menus). I listened to Open Waters 3 on loop for an hour while driving earlier today.
For me the most charming thing was how old-style indie it felt. The sprawling soundtrack, the clumsy level design, being able to eat in the food menu by literally dragging the food to your mouth. There's so many small touches of both love and obsession that modern projects usually lack because it's so much easier now. It used to be that if you were making an indie game, you were a freak (and I say that as a term of endearment).
Also, I'll openly admit I didn't finish the game because eventually the traversal and over-reliance on puzzle bosses got to me, but I have an immense respect for it. Dust remains my darling from that era, but I think I'll let those glasses stay rose-tinted for the time being. I'm positive it doesn't hold up and a lot of things I put up with because I was unfamiliar with metroidvanias would now feel excessively stiff and kludgy.
Huh... Well, I'd say you should really beat it, but then again, it has an absolutely fricking massive wienerblock of a cliffhanger that screams into the dark for a sequel that never was.
>you will never play La-Mulana blind again
i wish i could give myself amnesia
I love Bloodstained and my wife Bloodless
I wish they would make a swcond game
They need to hurry the frick up
>I love Bloodstained
Same, and I loved Bloodless mode. Bloodstained is the only metroidvania (aside from Metroid and Castlevania) that I really enjoyed. I still need to play SMT Synchronicity tough.
ghost song is SHIT and the ending is absolute garbage, don't play it
dev huffed their own farts too much
An hour of gameplay is enough to tell you that.
What the hell was the point of the shutdown mechanic if it doesn't really do shit to you?
My guess is they were copying dark souls blindly and late in development pumped the breaks and pared the mechanic down but didn't remove it in case something broke. It was at least better than Mindsieze.
Comes out in two days, looks like dick as all UAE games(based on a sample of one other game) do but who knows.
I simply refuse to play any game with a cute anime girl as a protagonist
whatever it is, I don't care, I'll gladly miss on it
not even bait
>Dread is a 6/10. good combat, abysmal world design and sucks as a metroidvania, the devs will only ever make a game where it feels good to run fast and shoot thing
>Ori is too saccharine and linear
>Yoku is a bad idea, I want to control my character not play fricking pinball
>The Messenger is bland
>ESA's rope thing is shit. bosses are bad. wiki autism post-game
>Prime 2 is a total misstep
>Blasphemous is a tryhard piece of shit, makes Zanzibart seem tame
>Wonder / Monster Boy is the gayest thing I've played, made me reconsider my life choices
as for Super Metroid:
>looks bad
>controls like shit
>sounds like shit, as if you're listening to someone else play it on the other side of a wall
>combat sucks, game expects you to take a ton of damage because there's no chance of dodging most enemies so the game litters you with fodder enemies to restore health
>map view is barebones, missing a lot of the QoL features found in later games such as colored sections, marking doors etc
compare it to Demon's Crest in audio and visuals which released just 7 months after Super and it gets blown the frick out. also Fusion is a weak metroidvania but a good game
still gotta play AM2R, Deedlit, Grime, Momodora, Portrait of Ruin, SMT Synchronicity Prologue. /blog
everyone is welcome to have their own opinion even if it's horrible wrong
I actually agree with most of that of the games I've played, though I highly doubt I'd rate Hollow Knight that high
Guacamelee on par with SotN though? Is that real?
>Guacamelee on par with SotN
in terms of gameplay I'd actually put Guac higher, maybe. SotN has top-tier presentation but it has a litany of flaws that hold it down. I'm only fond of it for the presentation and the fact that movement feels very fluid. great base for a romhack
flaws:
>RPG mechanics are undercooked, entering an ugly menu to equip the item with a bigger number is lame
>enemies don't always seem tailored to their areas; haunted books in library make sense, boomerang skeletons in the towers and plant b***hes in hallways don't
>using consumables to heal and such requires lots of menu hopping, tedious
>too many items in general, single-use items like magic missile are too much of a pain to bother with
>when you walk into a sub-weapon it throws your equipped one out and can often lead you to chasing it around, this happened constantly by accident. would be better if there was a dedicated button to pick them up
>hidden weapon moves and abilities like bat dashing, the game never even tells you how to high jump
>have to use the bat and mist a lot in inverted castle and they're not satisfying to control
>already have all abilities in inverted castle, nothing to figure out, basically just busywork killing monsters in unusual terrain
>majority of enemies (bosses especially) don't require actually learning their moves or fighting strategically, it's usually just a DPS race. Dracula is a perfect example and he's a pushover
map flaws:
>can't place markers on map
>map doesn't auto-mark gates, ie fog gates, blue/red doors etc
>map isn't multi-colored to distinguish zones
>map doesn't have titles of zones
>map has no visually distinct shapes, all squares
You're delusional but I agree with you. SotN didn't really impress me either, but I also know that it's not a style of metroidvania I enjoy.
where are the delusions?
A lot of SotN's design decisions make more sense when you realize that it's structured like a JRPG. The hidden moves, the inventory management, the secrets based on having X, Y, and Z equipped in area A after event B; it feels strange and bloated because unlike everything after it, it's not trying to be SotN. It's trying to be Dragon Quest with a double jump.
What the actual frick are you talking about? Dragon Quest doesn't have inventory management, secrets, or hidden moves, at least none of the ones I've played have. IIRC Igarashi said he was inspired by Zelda when making SotN
I'm well aware of SotN's flaws (though I wouldn't call a lot of what you mention "flaws"). It's not my favorite Castlevania (OoE is), but I do think it's very interesting, experimental game for something that came out in 1997. It threw a lot of shit at the wall and later Castlevanias mostly preserved the good stuff and did away with awkward crap like the jank transformations
But it's hard for me to imagine some dumbass luchador game that uses rage comic faces being on par with a foundational game like SotN. I haven't played Guacamelee and I don't know much about it, but that's some serious praise I've not heard from anyone else. What makes it that good?
NTA, but in Guacamelee it just feels good to punch shit. It's not technically complex, the humor isn't deep, but it knows what it's trying to do and the flow of the game that it wants to manifest, and so it prioritizes raw tone and gamefeel over everything else. It also does a solid job of making your upgrades both useful in combat and useful in traversal, with the result that you kit feels more cohesive than games where a better gun doesn't help you open new doors or a glide isn't useful in combat.
Putting it on par with SotN is definitely a case of being deliberately uncharitable to the design philosophy of SotN and essentially putting personal taste over quality of game design, but it's not categorically unhinged.
Post the webm
Every time
>>ESA's rope thing is shit. bosses are bad. wiki autism post-game
holy mother of fricking filtered
>Not even bait
>Hollow KBlack person singles out Super Metroid
I'm tired of people constantly fellating it as if it's God's gift to gaming when it's not. not sure if it's just people conflating historical / cultural impact with quality, or people just want to worship a sacred cow with the rest of Ganker to look like a tasteful boomer. maybe both
it's the same reason people worship stuff like Pokemon RBY, Super Mario Bros 1 etc, pretending they're actually still the best games ever made
Yes, most of the praise for Super Metroid comes from speedrun troons who enjoy "sequence breaking," meaning everything they like about it was a literal accident caused by dev team negligence
Said negligence is easily seen in the other aspects of the game. If you just try to play it like a normal fricking Metroid game, it's very bland
Only some of the sequence breaks are actually unintentional. Stuff like mockball, damage boost ect. But wall
jump, shinespark shit is intended. Breaking sequence doesn't equal dev frick up.
>it's the same reason people worship stuff like Pokemon RBY, Super Mario Bros 1 etc, pretending they're actually still the best games ever made
don't forget OoT
OoT is far more technically competent than RBY and more fleshed out as a game than SMB1
It being the only 3D Zelda game to not have any shitty gimmicks helps
Is iji a metroidvania
no. because it has multiple stages rather than one big world.
there are definitely aspects of it that scratch the MV itch though.
Nah, it’s a piece of shit that shows why “turn the other cheek” is the cuck.mantra
Is Demon's Crest a Metroidvania?
Definitely.
it's one of those borderline games like Cave Story
Imagine if Ori was meant to be a game catering more to mature people & had enemies and bosses meant to get the full potential of the player's moveset. It could have been absolutely brilliant
Ori was the greatest when it was pure platforming and not combatslop
yeah
Ori 1 had the right amount of difficulty, I did not liked the direction Ori 2 was taken
ori 1 was a lot harder than 2
>ori 1's hardmode makes you take a frickton of damage, while ori 2's normal mode is already the easy mode, and ori becomes way too unkillable in lategame
>healing is braindead strong, the game should have been built around something like catalyst+overflow
>bosses are mostly pretty slow compared to what you can do
maybe I should take the game for another spin really, I just made it like an hour and a half and dropped it. (I probably formatted my computer at that time)
ori 2 definitely gets pretty neat over time, and the bosses are still fun
I just wish it demanded more of the player. If the game wasnt extremely high production value and deeply animated and hard to do simple changes, i'd genuinely make my own autismo mod where i try to make enemies more challenging and some platforming segments explore the movement as much as 1's escape sequences did. But that would unironically require a huge team of people and fricktons of effort
Bashing and dashing and knocking enemies into obstacles is part of combat too.
This still applies to movement a lot, too
Also, forgot to specify something important : Specifically 2. The first game is ideal as it is
it would be much less "combatslop" and a lot more "combatkino" if the overall game encouraged you to get ori's full grace out of more moments.
I just played SotN for the first time recently, I really liked it up until the inverted castle.
It was just kinda lame, since I didn't really get anything new during it, just a bunch of boss fights which were okay.
Any other Metroidvanias besides Hollow Knight or Bloodstained that are longer than 10 hours long?
La-Mulana took me like 50 hours of in game time and practically speaking like an entire month to complete
You can get through it much faster if you use a guide, but that defeats the purpose. I can't wait to finally play it again in another 5 years or so once I finally forget everything about it
Feels like most of them are these days. The era of dense Super Metroid-style 8-12 hour games feels like it ended after Dark Souls influence seeped into the genre. I'll name a few that come to mind -
Blasphemous 1/2
Lone Fungus
Vigil: The Longest Night
Afterimage
Astalon
I can't really know anymore
I play these games with methodical exploration process, I finish them in two or three sittings, always less than a week
Afterimage
Prince of Persia
HAAK
Iconoclast
Monster Boy
Death Gambit Afterlife
Pronty
Tevi
please don't try to trick people into playing Iconoclast
it's good, homie
nah, it looks good but the actual game sucks just like owlboy
salt and sanctuary
Play Tevi (free roam mode)
It's a bad Rabi-Ribi successor but a solid metroidvania when not held down by the shackles called fujo story
don't care for animevanias
why hasn't a genre fusion between cinematic platformer and metroidvania happened yet?
The Messenger became shit as soon as it became a metroidvania.
play Sea of Stars instead
no idea why anyone even plays SoS. the only thing I can think of is it had good marketing so it attracted normies who didn't realize other turn based RPGs have been released in the past 5 years.
the combat is way too slow, and I say that as someone who enjoys JRPGs. hell, I finished I am Setsuna, but I couldn't force myself to play SoS for more than 2 hours.
Castlevania should not get equal billing with Metroid for "inventing" the genre, especially when Castlevania only added the absolute worst (and unnecessary) part of the formula: JRPG style leveling and equipment and the best Castlevania games don't even play like Metroid anyway.
Metroidvania has always been a moronic name for a genre anyway. It's like calling a movie a Lethalweaponrobocop.
zump
Its actually amazing to me that all these years later, these indie devs completely suck at replicating Metroid and Metroid is still king by a massive amount. When I played Metroid Dread again it just blows me away how far ahead Nintendo is of everyone else. Metroid Prime Remastered enforced that confirmation.
Metroid dread is a shitty linear action game
filtered
>completely linear
>combat devolves into waiting for parries and spamming rockets
>emmis
It's fun for going fast and that's it. Even the parry based combat is done better in prince of persia
Metroidvanias pull almost nothing from Metroid. It's a terrible genre name. They should just be called Castlevania-clones, because that's what the entire genre of game is.
>They should just be called Castlevania-clones
Or SOTNlikes cuz that's what they actually are.
You’re all fricking moronic. Metroid established the base elements (item progression in both platforming and combat, save rooms acting as checkpoints, scavenger hunts encouraging exploration) while Castlevania filled out the rest (smaller but more plentiful forms of progression like equipment, secret areas hidden behind extra requirements, multiple characters with different platforming and combat abilities, small puzzles). It may have took until AoS to refine the formula into what we know it to be today, but both franchises formulated the basics and deserve to be credited for the genre’s creation
playing Circle of the Moon after beating Aria of Sorrow and it's a bit painful
Yeah, IGA was still figuring out how to make a good Metroidvania while navigating the intricacies of the GBA. Like the colours. Bit hard to see in ambient light conditions. Just wait til you get to Harmony of Dissonance, got a lot of improvements and a lot of rough spots. Great example of IGA’s learning process
Thoughts?
lgbt-slop
avoid
I will now buy this game to make you upset
Definitely not trolling you because of your moron ass take that tells me nothing
Inb4asshurt twat
Stfu everyone hates you
ok
enjoy your campfire gender identity monologues
Not even worth pirating?
Pirate it and you’ll still feel ripped off
I pirated it and I'd say it wasn't worth it
wokeshit
Gameplay? Too short and lacks depth.
Story? Time-travel + “have I mentioned I’m homosexual yet?” writing. A double whammy of terrible fricking shit
Would’ve been a good metroidvania if it had no story and/or shitty characters in it
Even if you remove the gay shit the story remains fricking moronic with the time travel and it's a piece of shit
>Go to the past to kill the evil people that made the world become what it is now
>Kill one
>nothing changes in the present, just go kill all of them and get the ending lmao
>Time stop makes every fight trivial
>It may as well not even be there because you barely use it to explore or solve shit
>It has two maps, present and past
>Both are pic related with so little changes that you would think the other one is showing secret floors
>all those hallways
more padding than a fricking asylum
The only thing it has going for it is the graphics. The game is less a metroidvania and more of a single corridor where you sometimes flip a switch to change the color of the background. To elaborate, a lot of sections exist only in one time period, and doors between them will be cut off if you aren't in the right one. The areas that do have you explore multiple eras in, are basically only altered in the sense that some obstacle isn't present; enemies are the same, with the same placement, but the ones in whatever isn't the standard time for that zone will be a bit more dangerous.
The weapons are extremely disappointing. There are some very obvious standouts as being what you should use, with most of the crystals only being sidegrades at best, and then ranging straight into being shit to use. Only one real time do you use an ability in the past to clear the way in the future, and it's relatively early in the game.
The story is extremely irritating. It starts out fast with some fairly interesting hooks, and gets you involved in a couple plots. These are then unceremoniously dropped, never explained, and forgotten. You kind of just amble your way onward to defeating The Evil White Man Empire at the far end of the map from where you started. You've probably heard of some of the most egregious bits though, like the infamous campfire cutscene(near as I can remember it was the longest one in the game) which involved all the Brown Freedom Fighters going on ad nausuem about their favorite LGBTBBQLOL orgies of the past and who is who's buttery little cornhole. At one point there was a mod to change it to something more fitting, but it got nuked from orbit by the usual malcontents last I heard.
Finally, the game has a secret final area and ending. It's not as glaringly horrible as some of the other parts of the game, but I will say it's a straight downgrade to either of the two standard endings, and if you do play it I would suggest never triggering it.
Touhou Luna Nights did the whole time manipulation mechanic better whilst also being significantly less pozzed
I'm sick and tired of anons constantly sucking the dicks of Super Metroid and SOTN as the unassailable masterpieces of the genre when they have already been surpassed by multiple games and you all know it's true.
I tried
Aside from Hollow Knight, I really don't agree with your tier list, but I respect the fact that you can actually form your own opinions.
what are some of your favorites? and don't worry I'm not gonna do the 'all shit' reply, just interested since anyone that has enough sense to not blindly suck off SM and SotN should have decent taste
SotN has those exact same type of long hallways. also pic related which is arguably even worse
>Hollow Knight
>Salt & Sanctuary
>Blasphemous
>Rabi-Ribi
> Super Metroid
I'm also a five hours into Afterimage and I have a feeling it may also make the list
Oh yeah, shafts. Gotta agree with you on that one
>SotN
Yeah, it really was IGAs first romp. Definitely should be recognised for how it helped formulate the genre, but not much else
Hollow KBlack person hands wrote this.
Yeah. What are you gonna do about it?
I'm gonna respect your opinion since I think Hollow Knight is pretty good also.
Suck on that shit.
I like Aria way more than SoTN but I dunno I feel like Super hasn't been topped within it's own franchise, but I'm also a prime hater because I've been a PC gay since the days of unreal tournament 1. Though I guess there haven't been too many 2D Metroids after Super.
>I feel like Super hasn't been topped within it's own franchise
This is correct. I do not agree it is one of the best MVs of all time, but it's still a damn-good game and the crown israeliteel of the Metroid series.
Super definitely hasn't been dethroned in its series when it comes to non-linearity and size, but that's probably because the series has been in handheld territory for so long. it also has the best atmosphere in terms of isolation, and it's not as crazy on the action and speed like Dread
to me, ZM or Fusion are better as actual games judged as a whole, but they're not the same. ZM is a bite-sized Metroid in your pocket that plays and looks good, and Fusion is a more linear horror take
I don't think Mercury Steam are a good fit for Metroid. they're abysmal at world design and pacing, but good at action and combat, incapable of making a game where you take your time and breathe the world in. they should probably just go back to Castlevania games
I think their zones were alright in Dread, the problem was the obligation to the Emmi shit because the connotation of being Metroid Dread. same thing with Metroid 2 needing to adhere to the original's format somewhat. I'd love to see what they could make if given a chance to really make a new title, but it seems unlikely for now.
Reminder that Silksong and Metroid Prime 4 are going to be the biggest stim shots the scene is going to get.
Be nice to all the genrelets Ganker.
>both femoid protags
death
>Metroid
>A woman
Are you ok, Anon?
You know what I want to see? An AI-generated infinite Metroid game. The first time you enter an area, the game generates one or two other new areas somewhere that will need you to get a powerup and/or kill a boss in the area you just set foot in. Give it a common set of enemies for each general biome, but AI-gen the bosses. The weapon upgrades and powerups, too, if possible.
Just play A Robot Named Fight until you realize that map design is the purest expression of talent for a metroidvania developer, and automating it is making dross for the sake of dross. Games like Chasm and Sundered have randomized areas, and the result is they have no structure or sense of place to them. The entire joy of exploration is lost because you're not exploring, simply traversing.
I'm playing a game called Withering rooms and so far it's been ludo kino that reminded me a lot of clocktower but with some minor rougelike elements. Definitely has many metroidvania elements too.
You can pirate it on gog games.
Are there any hollowlikes while we wait for Silksong? I tried some others that are more like Bloodstain with that oldschool feel but they're all kind of clunky and unfun. Looking for fast combat hopefully physics-based?
The new Prince of Persia takes alot from HK
Thanks I'll check it out!
Take a look at Lone Fungus
just dropped Grime after barely 5 minutes. damn that was bad