>murder mystery game
>shows you who the murderer is in the first 3 seconds of the case
Why is this shit so common? Do the developers have absolutely zero faith in their players?
>inb4 but it's just the tutorial case!
Irrelevant, it's like if the mario tutorial spawned you at the flag, no one is gonna learn shit from that
>he doesn't know
tried to rewatch some Columbo
it's really shit
reverse mystery sucks ass
It did get old after about 10 episodes, true
I really like the original 7 seasons are amazing, there is always a standout episode in every season. The revival seasons are dogshit though.
That episode in the military base
You still have to prove how the culprit did the crime to the court.
Which is not a "murder mystery" to me anymore, it's just a visual novel.
Inverse whodunnit or "howcatchem", homie.
It's a subgenre on its own, where the fun is how the detective(or the defense attorney in this case) will find it out and corner the culprit. AA hardly ever does anything to hide a culprit's identity.
It's still a mystery because in AA you aren't shown the dynamics behind the murder. Pretty much the only information that are not omitted by most intros is the victim and the culprit.
Fair enough, still made me pretty mad when I played it for the first time. Figuring out who did it is fun from the getgo, you can take it for granted, meanwhile figuring out the means is only fun once the game proves that it could be interesting. Fun means are earned, not taken for granted.
>Inverse whodunnit o
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That's just like your opinion man. A howdunnit is still a murder mystery. So is a whydunnit
This you?
>75 IQ
>The mystery in Ace Attorney games is who is the killer
Because anyone with IQ above 100 will know that the fun of Ace Attorney games is how far they can take a murder scenario and make the case as bullshit as humanly possible. The mystery is in the courtroom, not on the scene.
I am in Mensa so no, that's not me.
>Because anyone with IQ above 100 will know that the fun of Ace Attorney games is how far they can take a murder scenario and make the case as bullshit as humanly possible
That's not what Ace Attorney is about. The cases are not even remotely bullshit for murder mystery standards. I assume you never read the original Sherlock Holmes, never read Agatha Christie, never played Danganronpa, never played Umineko. Ace Attorney is as tame as it gets. Like, I guess it is more absurd than LA Noire?
You aren't fooling anybody. If you actually knew anything about detective fiction there's no way you missed an entire subgenre of inverted mysteries.
>buh I read it on wikipedo THAT MEANS IT IS HECKIN VALID
Lmao, stay mad.
>he didn't know about fricking Columbo
Where did I claim to be a specialist in detective fiction? I'm just bringing up what I did consume to make a counterpoint.
>I am in Mensa
>bought a Ganker pass
Do they revoke you for that?
Either MENSA isn't worth shit or you're lying, because you are clearly moronic. Not just based on this thread, this is the second time I've seen you saying stupid shit. I hope you're not trying to make this a "thing".
What did I say that was stupid?
>fun of Ace Attorney games is how far they can take a murder scenario and make the case as bullshit as humanly possible. The mystery is in the courtroom, not on the scene.
>which is why out of 54 cases, only 6 cases (11%) reveal the culprit in the intro, 5 of which are tutorial cases
negative IQ moron(you)
Why did you take the time to count the cases where the murderer is shown at the beginning, but not the time to compute my statement, ie. That Ace Attorney plots are almost never about who did it (it's almost always obvious) but rather about the Loony Toonesque courtoom melodramatic witnesses and prosecutor antics ?
Don't be moronic, the mystery of the yellow room or the hound of baskerville are great mysteries, but also absolutely not the same tone as Ace Attorney. There are moody detective stories, and then there are quirky mystery stories.
>about the Loony Toonesque courtoom melodramatic witnesses and prosecutor antics ?
How to tell me you're a homosexual secondary without telling me you're a homosexual secondary.
Go dilate, tourist.
>bu-buh I wikitrannied that show my dad watched but I didn't!?!
Skill Issue.
Mate, you are an actual 75 IQ moron if you think Ace Attorney isn't about courtoom antics. Like actual, mentally disabled autistic unanle to read the barest fricking subtext there ever would be from the japanese culture of obvious, in-your-face, humor.
The guy is named fricking Wright and his ancestor Naruhodo ffs
>homosexual troon secondary goes out of xis way to prove xe knows frick all about AA
Stop embarrassing yourself, moron. They humor in AA is just Takumi's style of writing and to make it easily digestible, the purpose of AA is about a novice's journey to become a master.
Which is why every fricking AA game written by him stars a novice attorney bumblefricking their way into running their own office and bullshiting their way through their careers until they grow into capable masters.
Much of this is literally meant to parallel Takumi's own career, as he was just a guy bumblefricking his way into making AA despite never having written or directed a game before.
Go. Dilate. Tourist.
I'm pretty sure that's how everyone's career starts
>until they grow into capable masters
And you call other tourists ? lmao moronation breeds self-confidence
You just reformulated what I said, so glad to know we're on the same page
>And you call other tourists ? lmao moronation breeds self-confidence
>troony tourist literall just admitted to never fricking playing any AA game
holy shit
LMAO
>Don't be moronic, the mystery of the yellow room or the hound of baskerville are great mysteries, but also absolutely not the same tone as Ace Attorney
Not sure about that yellow room thing you mentioned, but Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes is the inspiration for Ace Attorney, this is very evident and let me tell you one more thing, Ace Attorney is easily one of the best Sherlock Holmes adaptations of history. Way better than all official adaptations except maybe that brit tv Sherlock which I gotta admit is pretty fricking good.
And Sherlock Holmes is insanely more absurd than Ace Attorney. There's that case where some dude is digging a tunnel from his house to under a bank's vault, and Sherlock Holmes figures that off the fact he had dirt on his fricking trousers despite having no garden in his house. OG Holmes is the most busted fictional character of all time, he could figure a way to beat Goku if he had 2 minutes of prep time.
>Arthur Conan Doyle's Sherlock Holmes is the inspiration for Ace Attorney,
nah, it's quintessentially a different genre
AA is inspired by Golden Age mystery writing, Agatha Christie and shit
Sherlock in the AA games is a (respectful) parody of the nonsensical shit pre-Golden Age mysteries had
You only think that because you never read the original Sherlock Holmes, in which case why are you even arguing? Anyone who read it knows it inspired 90% of Ace Attorney. The modus operandi of Phoenix/Mia and Sherlock is the same, the modus operandi of the murderers is the same, the fricking quotes are 1:1 the same without changing even one single comma, like the "if you eliminate the impossible only the possible remains"
>You only think that because you never read the original Sherlock Holmes, in which case why are you even arguing?
Lmao, the core principle of Golden Age mysteries are that they are solvable by the reader and the protag doesn't get any extra info the reader doesn't. It's a game.
Sherlock writing fricking hides shit constantly, his deductionas are supernatural bullshit asspulls that are accurate because shut up and the reader would never fricking figure out shit based on the info presented to them. It's a story where you are meant to be wowed by hecking Holmes' genius.
Yeah, Takumi has quite a lot of inspirations, but he is generally considered a modern shin honkaku genre writer.
>Sherlock writing fricking hides shit constantly
Wrong
>his deductionas are supernatural bullshit asspulls that are accurate because shut up and the reader would never fricking figure out shit based on the info presented to them
That's the whole point of the character, his deductions are 100% logical but still brilliant on a superhuman level
>Wrong
>looks at Hound of the Baskervilles
>looks at that fricking story where Sherlock figures shit out due to a painting that is never described to the reader
yeah no
writing fricking hides shit constantly
>Wrong
since you've got pass visible, are you the same moron who makes the death note threads because it was said there too
Yes
Bro Sherlock Holmes is literally a canonical character in the series, he's a major character in Great Ace Attorney
You mean Herlock Sholmes
>he doesn't know
the game shits all over the dumbest Sherlock Holmes asspulls lmao
like the snake, the guy trying to dig into a bank and all that other shit
The inspiration for AA is an Edogawa Ranpo story called "The Psychological Test", told from the culprit's perspective. Takumi did read other golden age novels, but he always quotes this one as the most influential. iirc he also knew about Columbo, you can kinda tell from the CEs in-game.
Look, idc about Goku and powerlevels lmao
You've read Sherlock Holmes. It's obvious you read those to see a genius dude crack open a weird case in a moody victorian setting
You start a game of Ace attorney, you're not here to see a genius detective. you're here to see an idiot stumble his way through a trial and manage to get an acquittal in the face of every possible bullshit contrivance being thrown at his and his client's face
>You start a game of Ace attorney, you're not here to see a genius detective. you're here to see an idiot stumble his way through a trial and manage to get an acquittal in the face of every possible bullshit contrivance being thrown at his and his client's face
No, I'm here to see an underdog stumble his way through an extraordinarily complex murder mystery and somehow come out on top, solving it and humiliating the killer in front of the entire court in one of the most cinematic turnabouts ever.
That's what the best cases are, pic related
>6-2 in legendary
>6-1 and 6-3 in bad
>you're here to see an idiot
Poor Phoenix. He's actually intelligent (not as much as Holmes, but hey) but also a lawyer who is constantly pressured to present evidence to quickly backup whatever he comes up with, in a system that just happens to be ridiculously biased against the defense.
Murder mystery is still right.
Not the "whodunnit" variety however, since the ultimate goal isn't the culprit's identity, but rather figuring out the case dynamics and proving the culprit did do it.
>Murder mystery is still right.
According to whom? It's a courthouse melodrama, if anything. Capcom didn't advertise it as such, only the stupid fricking moron OP is getting hung up on semantics about a definition only he used to describe it.
Really? *I* am the only one discussing definitions in this thread? Mate you need glasses
They're your definitions, idiot. Just because you tricked a couple of morons into arguing with you (probably yourself samegayging) it doesn't give it any validity.
Prove it.
>probably yourself samegayging
Take your pills.
Takumi explicitly referred to AA as a mystery or detective game.
Play Danganronpa for a real murder mystery game that makes you think
I love these 2 little homies like you wouldn’t believe
I fricking hate Erika so much it's unreal.
have a nice day, Danganronpa is the worst most moronic murder mystery game EVER
I like it for the story, characters and aesthetics, but the mysteries are always so disappointing that they retroactively ruin the whole experience
>worst most moronic murder mystery game EVER
Hyperbole aside, that's still David Cage's territory.
But then I'd be putting myself at risk of becoming a danganronpa fan
99% of the gameplay is just (You) shouting at morons for getting the basic facts wrong.
in my opinion going in completely blind is the most fun there is in these types of games but I didn't feel like the quality of any case was lessened from knowing the culprit from the start
AA series isn't really about who did the murder mystery thing 90% of the time. AA is more about HOW they did the murder mystery thing and calling out their lies in court to get the "GOTCHA b***h" moments.
Still not an excuse to take away the pleasure of figuring out who did it
Hell yeah
>doesn't know about furuhata ninzaburo
Many such cases, the fun is cornering the criminal
you're not an actual investigator, the writers are just telling an interesting story.
If it's a visual novel, those games are aimed at 9 year olds.
maybe you'll be able to play it next year then
Because the point is proving that he did it beyond reasonable doubt, not figuring it out, you stupid c**t.
It's not a murder mystery, nobody called it a murder mystery. How do you manage to engage so many idiots with a straw man argument?
>replying to such obvious bullshit b8
These aren't the games to play if you want to solve murder mysteries for the most part, think of them as courtroom dramas first and foremost. That said there's still several cases, especially in later games like Ace Attorney Investigations 2, where the focus is on the mystery.
Troll line finished, you may post safely again
It sets up the killer as an antagonist and accentuates the righteous indignation you feel defending your client against a crooked system. The mystery isn't really the whodunnit, it's you racking your brain to prove your client's innocence and fight through the killer's lies.
>another 500+ reply ace attorney/danganronpa/umineko circlejerk bread
>already one up on the board
Over a decade of this shit is tiresome.
god forbid people discuss video games right
Wait...he was the murderer!?! I thought it was that Larry guy, he seemed to have a bad attitude
Anon... How can you frick up this badly?
Larry was framed. Frank Sahwit is the real murderer.
Yes, Larry has a bad attitude, but that doesn't make him a murderer.
I never got past the opening questions because the judge wouldn't let me call the victim "Ms. Cinder Block".
I can't believe Edgeworth killed the lawyer guy