I mean, I am into games like factorio?
What game is "like factorio" but "better than factorio"?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Minecraft is better than factorio.
I also heard that Kerbal Space program/Dyson sphere is good. Infinifactory is pretty close to factorio, but I havent tried it
3 months ago
Anonymous
Also, there is a game called Satisfactory on steam. Its similar to Factorio as well, but its on early access
3 months ago
Anonymous
Satisfactory is fricking awful. It takes ages to get to the point where you can actually automate power sources and until then you're stuck going around cutting down trees and picking leaves to make biofuel which you have to insert into each bioreactor by hand. In Factorio as long as you've got coal that's a reasonable distance from a body of water you can get a fully automated power source up and running in a matter of minutes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Satisfactory is fricking awful. It takes ages to get to the point where you can actually automate power sources and until then you're stuck going around cutting down trees and picking leaves to make biofuel which you have to insert into each bioreactor by hand.
This is apparently getting fixed in next release, they got belt inputs now. Should have had it on day one though.
3 months ago
Anonymous
That doesn't solve the tedium of having to constantly go around chopping trees and bushes down to churn out biofuel. Part of what makes Factorio work, and a key factor that a lot of automation games that try to copy it miss, is that with enough ingenuity, you can automate everything early on from your production lines to your power plants. Like even before unlocking electric furnaces you can automate your coal furnaces with clever use of conveyor belts and inserters. A lot of clones try to lock that shit further down the tech line, forcing you to do shit like constantly hand crank generators on Techtonica or constantly go around constantly cutting down trees and picking leaves off bushes in Satisfactory until you're far enough down the tech tree to unlock even the most basic shit to automate everything
3 months ago
Anonymous
because they’re copying minecraft not factorio
3 months ago
Anonymous
Also, there is a game called Satisfactory on steam. Its similar to Factorio as well, but its on early access
Minecraft, DSP, Infinifactory, Satisfactory are not better than Factorio
Modded minecraft birthed factorio, and factorio is the origin of all of these other engineering games
/egg/ has been trying to find something like factorio but better than factorio for ages, there is nothing
I am not even being a shitposter here, I really want to know if there is a better game out there
3 months ago
Anonymous
Allah grants 100 better automation games to it's warriors
3 months ago
Anonymous
ah so you don't know shit
3 months ago
Anonymous
Minecraft can't compare to factorio in terms of scale and optimization (logistics and in general).
Dyson is alright but kerbal is nothing like factorio, its a space sim.
Honestly, all 3D "factory" games can't compare to factorio.
dev basically says the only reason to buy this game is to get a confirm key to use the forums and have an easier time downloading mods. he expects you to not be moronic and just pirate the game if you're broke, also no sales.
>$35
I thought it was $30, but your post made me check again. Apparently the dev raised the price to $35 a little while ago to compensate for inflation, despite the fact that the "labor costs" were 100% pre-inflation. Holy shit, I actually can't stop laughing. What a israeli power play.
Money loses something like 40% of it's buying power every 10 years. It's their asset, they're entitled to raise the price, and it's fair to raise it proportional to inflation.
>despite the fact that the "labor costs" were 100% pre-inflation
they are not selling you at labor cost, or labor cost + flat, or labor cost + %
they never claimed labor costs are at all related to the price
do you not understand the difference between manual work like cashier or a janitor which exchange time/labor directly for money, and specialized jobs which spend time/money on research/development/engineering a product/service and sell that?
why are you cost watching others anyway commie, it's called free enterprise, they set the price and you either accept it or not, if the price is truly wrong they'll just go bankrupt
>despite the fact that the "labor costs" were 100% pre-inflation.
So, uh, should every game drop to $0 when it launches since the labor costs are now 0?
What kind of rhetoric is that? Its worth to you as much as you are willing to pay.
The more expensive it gets, the fewer people will buy it.
For a product with infinite supply, the only value for price is (assuming negligible development costs) only the perceived value
My point is that you know a Triple A game is going to go on sale for a fraction of the price it releases at.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So what you're saying is that triple A games have a lower perceived value?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm saying that a Triple A game WILL go on sale. It's just a matter of when and for how much. Anyone who perceives the value as its release price will pay it. Anyone who doesn't value it at the release price will simply wait for a sale.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Righto, so you are saying that in your opinion, the release price of triple A games is not a good approximation of their true value? That you perceive their value to be lower and as such are not willing to pay the price that they release at?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I am saying that there is a choice to be made. You are being intentionally obtuse. You can either pay the price as is or wait for a sale. What I personally would do doesn't matter.
Factorio has no such choice. You either buy the game now or the devs will crank the price on you at some unspecified time in the future.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I finally understand what you're mad about
You perceive the value of Factorio to be lower than the current price, and are mad that the devs haven't bent to your will on how you think they should price their game
3 months ago
Anonymous
Not even close. I'm sure the game is worth its price tag. The devs are just cowards who can't admit they are exploiting FOMO and their accumulated goodwill to squeeze every last dime out of new potential customers. They could raise the price by $60 and they would have tens of thousands of morons running defence for them and they know it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Or maybe you're just wrong about their intentions, I'm sure you would squeeze every cent out of anyone, that seems to be the sort of thing you'd do, maybe they are not you though
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah them being the only devs in the industry to raise the price on their game really helps them come across as benevolent souls. It just amazes me the lengths Factorio players will go to defend obvious greed.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>$35 price tag >obvious greed
Laughable
3 months ago
Anonymous
A bunch of games have been gotten readjusted, especially games that are still under development like Factorio. 2.0 will be absolutely free and it's bringing more improvements than Cyberpunk got.
3 months ago
Anonymous
there are free mods made by enthusiasts with more content than they managed to shit out in almost decade of development
3 months ago
Anonymous
>>A bunch of games have been gotten readjusted
Name one game that has been fully released for years and increased its price.
>They could raise the price by $60 and they would have tens of thousands of morons running defence for them and they know it.
So, uh, the fact that they don't seems to suggest they're not greedy.
They could, and people like you would defend them. Doesn't mean it would make them more money.
3 months ago
Anonymous
They could, and yet they don't, perhaps indicating that they are not greedy
3 months ago
Anonymous
Again, just because they could doesn't mean it would make them more money. Raising the price is greedy, full stop.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You are asserting, simultaneously, that raising the price will not make them more money and is therefore not greedy, and that raising the price is greedy because it makes them more money, literally nonsensical
3 months ago
Anonymous
No, you just lack reading comprehension. I am saying that raising the price by $5 is greedy, and they did so. I am also saying that raising the price by $60 is greedy, and also that they didn't do that because it wouldn't make them more money. You being unable to read is not on me.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not greedy to do something that will make you less money you fricking moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You are a gargantuan moron. Have fun sucking factorio dev wiener.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Post nonsense >"No you"
Lulz. Can't wait for the 70$ threads.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Have no rebuttal so you just pretend I don't make sense
FactorioBlack folk are a different breed.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>immediately starts thinking about penises >hyper autistic about a blip in russian pricing >obviously esl
VatBlack person kek
3 months ago
Anonymous
I never once typed about Russian pricing. Also not ESL but you know that.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You actually just don't have a consistent position because your "argument" is based on nothing concrete, merely your feelings, you're like a woman
3 months ago
Anonymous
Again, you just can't read and instead of understanding that you blame me. My position could not be more clear you just disagree with it and therefore pretend I don't make sense.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Iron Lung increased from 6$ to 8$ which is literally nothing but also a 33% price increase
3 months ago
Anonymous
Does that game have a no sales policy as well?
3 months ago
Anonymous
"no that one doesnt count because it does sales"
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're finally starting to get it, little moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>They could raise the price by $60 and they would have tens of thousands of morons running defence for them and they know it.
So, uh, the fact that they don't seems to suggest they're not greedy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
When Nintendo did this scare tactic of fomo for the 3d pack everyone was shitting on them
Factorio gays for some reason defend the devs though
AAA developers atleast have excuse of high cost development, look at something like Witcher 3 which clearly had hundreds of professional voice actors, music composers, story writers, hundreds of 3d artists and mocap models yet it goes on sales and can be often be both for 5$. Factorio is a small 2d game made by 20 guys in their basement and somehow they are above it all? You gotta be joking.
I finally understand what you're mad about
You perceive the value of Factorio to be lower than the current price, and are mad that the devs haven't bent to your will on how you think they should price their game
Factorio has been increasing its price since it was created, from what I heard, you could get it for free back in the day if you emailed the devs and still play it today.
"People" who never played nor ever will, get mad that some developer is increasing the price of the game due to inflation while not knowing that the actual gay shit they did was to increase prices in Russia by some 1000%
3 months ago
Anonymous
you just love to make up stories in your deranged head dont you?
https://steamdb.info/app/427520/
3 months ago
Anonymous
Believe it or not, factorio was not in steam day 1.
https://factorio.com/blog/post/getting-the-alpha
How can you not be capable of doing 1 (one) google search before lying on the internet?
3 months ago
Anonymous
i was referingt your bullshit russia story
3 months ago
Anonymous
????????????????
It was only for a while, but still
3 months ago
Anonymous
That happened when they increased the prices for everyone, most likely fricking up the comma.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Huh. I looked it up again and again and I guess that is it.
I read a bunch of negative russian reviews and assumed it was them "dabbing on the russians" with a price increase
I am sorry for lying on the internet.
I will now buy 3 (three) copies of the expansion.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I read a bunch of negative russian reviews and assumed it was them "dabbing on the russians"
people assumed it was that because of the timing of it happening like 6 months after the invasion of Ukraine but it was literally just someone fat fingering the worst possible regional price at the worst possible time
3 months ago
Anonymous
>price accident happens for less than a day >autistic russians never let that shit go and seethe eternally
it's all starting to make sense now
3 months ago
Anonymous
Well, Czechs are understandably butthurt about the Soviet Union and Russia by extention
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Factorio has been increasing its price since it was created
Yeah, that's moronic.
This game is dog shit though. Easily the shittiest hit and quit it titles ever. You could have played this game on day one and quit for several years an came back to it and NOTHING would have been different. I can only assume the dev is a drug addict at this point. Let's also expand OP's list. >Never has had meaningful changes. >Never has had content filled updates.
Stale ugly boring flat as paper gameplay loop.
Whatever helps you sleep at night mister "I'm a real engineer, but in the game".
Not a single thing in my post was false.
>y-you're gonna wait forever if you need a sale
As opposed to the gated paid community.
Who are also waiting forever, for the same game they paid for.
You really been killing the same ugly brown bug for 1k hours?
I'm always pissed off by morons like this developer who say "IM DOING IT FOR THE CONSUMER BRO" while conveniently only doing the "pro-consumer" things that make them the most money.
Yeah, sure, no sales ever, wow you really helped me out bro.
How about if you're so pro consumer you make the game open source? Or anything else that isn't a direct means of preserving your bottom line?
I'd have more respect for the cuck if he just flat out said "I'm not doing sales", but he had to pull out some weird cope argument about how "I'm not doing sales and here's why that's a good thing for you, goy".
I say it as someone who bought the game in early access.
He's just a israelite chink c**t who cares more about making mcdonalds money than helping the consumer, so his fake "pro-consumer" face is annoying and grating.
Anon there's no stopping people from dropping a game if they get bored/don't like it.
https://steamcommunity.com/stats/427520/achievements
More than half of players have never even built a train.
I found the explanation satisfactory because it benefits early adopters. Right now, I'm encouraged to never buy games at release because I can just wait a few months and then the game will be on sale. If there's a game I really want, it still leaves a sour taste knowing I have to spend full price on release when someone else could pay pennies down the road, so I just don't buy it.
In the case of Factorio though, I bought it once years ago and it keeps getting more content. The fact that it never goes on sale means nothing to me since I already own the game, but I still benefit from more things coming out for it. So in the case, buying a game at release not only doesn't lose me money compared to waiting, the game actually appreciates in value because it continues to receive support.
Some people cannot wrap their head around the difference between "pro potential customer" (people who haven't given you money) and "pro customer" (the people that actually gave you money), since the latter is so incredible rare nowadays. They think "pro customer" means pandering to those who are not customers at all.
Reduced revenue equals reduced support
Factorio has been greatly improved by updates, and there is an upcoming expansion that will include a lot of free qol improvements for those who don't buy it
>HURR MUH REVENUE
Revenue is a shitty way of gauging anything and I hate working in an environment where absolute c**tS who don't know SHIT about ANYTHING keep droning on about MUH REVENEUE MUH METRICS.
Additionally, what reduces revenue more, selling for less money or not selling at all?
Fricking moron, I bet you're some first semester business major, because you're exactly as moronic as those fricking morons.
Plus, what "support"? It's not like they have a helpdesk staffed 24/7 that knows every customer by name to help them with their specific request.
have a nice day
3 months ago
Anonymous
>muh econ 101 pricing strategy
Reducing price only increases sales if demand is elastic
3 months ago
Anonymous
dude this is embarrassing. just pirate it if you can't afford it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Very well, I accept your concession.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sales are literally a way of maximizing revenue at the expense of margins, brainlet
3 months ago
Anonymous
How about you read a post to the end before writing up such a moron reply, you illiterate monkey? IT'S LITERALLY IN THE SECOND SENTENCE YOU FRICKING moron
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Additionally, what reduces revenue more, selling for less money or not selling at all?
Selling for less
The developer has asked me for X dollars in exchange for their game. So that's the price they said the game is worth. I agreed that the price is reasonable, so I paid X dollars and got the game.
The game went on sale for A dollars (A < X). So that's the price the developer says the game is worth.
That's not the price they said to me before. The game has not gotten worse (in fact, it got better).
The hurt is that I was lied to about the value of the game by the developer.
If they can sell if for A, they they should ask for A from the start instead of lying to me. If they can't actually sustain selling for A, then they shouldn't sell for A, because that means my purchase was subsidizing someone else's
They haven't lied to you, the game is worth less because it's less desirable for potential customers not because the quality decreased.
The game's content and quality are meaningless in their worth, the only real factor is it's desirability by potential customers. A change in this desirability by any factors means the game is now worth different, regardless of how development has progressed.
They don't choose a price based on how much content there is, but based on how much they think they can get people to pay.
>because it benefits early adopters
I don't have stock in the company so I don't consider or entertain questions like >Do the people who purchase the game on day 1, put 4500 hours into the game, and then write 37 essays on their own free time telling people that the game is worth $100 feel like they got a good deal?
As someone who cares more about playing games than stock options or profitability, I entertain discussions like >Oh the game is more expensive, again. I guess I'll redownload the cracked copy since my friends want to play it again. It's a good thing the game is easy to download and can still connect with legitimate copies.
If you're going to use piracy as an argument, then it really doesn't matter if the game is selling for $30 or $10 because either way, you're getting it for free. You are still benefiting more from the devs continuing to add improvements and content to the game compared to the game going gold and then never being updated again. I don't know why you can't grasp that.
Yeah, same reason. If he just said he likes money it would be ok, but it was the same (false) arguments and lies the big publishers constantly talk about, too.
So I put around 200h into a pirated copy :^)
You're moronic. They call them "sale prices" because the lower price generates more sales. i.e., more money. If anything, refusing to drop the price temporarily to do a sale is turning potential money down. Do you think all those other businesses have sales because they care about consumers? LOL
If the game is apparently worth what you paid, and in fact would have been a steal even at twice the price like you shills proclaim you shouldn't feel robbed if someone else therefore gets it cheaper.
Unless of course the game isn't actually worth that. 🙂
Not really it's a boring chore sim. Maybe having a feeling of sunk cost would help me delude myself into thinking it's actually fun but I don't have that burden.
Yeah, same reason. If he just said he likes money it would be ok, but it was the same (false) arguments and lies the big publishers constantly talk about, too.
So I put around 200h into a pirated copy :^)
>I'm always pissed off by morons like this developer who say "IM DOING IT FOR THE CONSUMER BRO" while conveniently only doing the "pro-consumer" things that make them the most money.
Absolute moronation. They are losing money by adjusting to inflation and by not doing sales.
It's lame and honestly I think it's losing the developers money over the long-term (there's a reason sales are a thing in the first place), but if you really don't want to pay the price just pirate.
>there's a reason sales are a thing in the first place
Nah, it's just different business models. Publishers have multiple games scheduled to release for years to come. By devaluing your old offerings you make space to sell a new product to your customers (and hopefully, some new ones as well). Wube is not a publisher. They don't have anything else coming, and beating factorio is very, very difficult as it's essentially the apotheosis of it's own genre. They themselves (think they) can't do it, that's why they're making a DLC instead of sequel.
Its also (alsmot) full price on grey key sellers
Seems the dev never felt the need to send codes to every fricking shitty "game critic" out there begging for exposure so ruskies couldnt harvest keys to sell
good on him
where do they come from then? if you believe they come from compromised credit cards then why are there a lot of games, very popular ones like factorio or astlibra, that have no keys available?
And it just happens to be games that are very low on marketing there has to be some correlation there
>never goes on sale >dev raises the price of a digital product >because the devs are europeans no one on Ganker b***hes about this and tells other uses not to pirate their game
You're fricking moronic and not living in this reality. There are people saying to pirate it in this short thread. I pirated it and played 100+ hours before I bought it. have a nice day.
i dont think i have ever seen the >dont pirate this game devs deserve the money
card played about factorio in fact, probably because their stance on sales while you will see it always been at least mentioned for any non AAA game ever
That's fine, they've continued development even when they didn't really need to. They could've just checked out after releasing it, that's what i would done
If a game is good it isn't worth it to wait for a sale.
Seeing other people talk about it will shape your experience, and I would say in some ways even taint it.
In this game, like puzzle games, most of the fun is figuring stuff out yourself, so if you are overly exposed to factorio threads, videos, etc, you are very likely going to see some solutions.
This will dampen the joy of finding your own solution to say making logistic science packs or managing your oil processing byproducts.
This isn't only true for factorio, and there are other factors of timing that come into play with many games.
Overall, I'd say judge a game by it's reviews rather than by it's discount. If it doesn't seem worth it full price it probably isn't worth your time anyway.
Yeah you could play some ubisoft slop like the division for like 80% off, but is it worth it?
The gameplay is so padded and spread out that I don't know how they can justify $32 for it, they're really probably just banking on the modding community like Rimworld does.
I added this game to my wishlist after playing the demo and enjoying it thinking I would buy it at the next sale. The next time I looked at it the price had increased, and I read online that the devs "don't do sales", lol. Took that shit off my list immediately. Might pirate it one day.
Doesn't need to go on sale. It's worth every fricking penny with what the devs put into this shit. They shit in the face of paid DLC and are working on a gigantic content enriching/QOL improving update.
And there hasn't been a single sale. In fact the price has only gone up. Very curious.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I too would increase the price of my game as it improved over time, especially if it was selling like hot cakes. Why wouldn't I. Capitalism, ho!
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why don't they just price the game at $500 then? Isn't it a heckin bargain still?
3 months ago
Anonymous
That seems unreasonable don't you? Games tend to be priced like 20-60 bucks these days so I think the current price is fair.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Seems perfectly reasonable given that any argument that increasing the price over time is moronic is met with the "yeah but I bought it 8 years ago for 5 bucks and put 10,000 hours in it so it was a good deal."
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why does this game's price upset you? Don't you see how it's an ultra autistic thing to focus on and that it makes you look like a total chimp frick? Like god damn.
Inflation exists. Read into it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why are factorio drones completely incapable of accepting that it's a greedy and moronic decision to raise the price on a digital good due to """inflation"""? You can think the game is fun and still think the devs are morons.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Must be poor I guess. People who exaggerate as much as you are for a game below 60 bucks should be doing better things than b***hing about a game's price online, like getting a job. Have you tried getting a job, perhaps then you wouldn't even look at most game's prices you would just be buying them because you wanted to play them, you know, like normal people. Or are you a special snowflake who doesn't want to be normal so you lash out in the most autistic way possible.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Because I think it is moronic that the devs are to my knowledge the only morons in the entire gaming industry who raise the price on their game over time means I can't afford it. You are a moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>$35 is unaffordable
It's like less than one hour of labor for people just out of college >esl
my condolences my brownoid acquaintance
3 months ago
Anonymous
>$35 is unaffordable
Nobody said that. >esl
You can't read and call me ESL. Don't know what I expected from a Factorio drone.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the only morons in the entire gaming industry who raise the price on their game over time means I can't afford it
tell me with a straight face that this A) doesn't mean what I said it does, and B) isn't ESL gibberish
3 months ago
Anonymous
A.) Because you can't read and then blame it on me.
B.) See point A.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Black you cannot write for shit. you need to take your monkey ass back to school and get your ged
3 months ago
Anonymous
Again, you are completely incapable of reading a single sentence without getting confused. The Factorio devs truly sent their best and brightest to run defence for them on Ganker.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>mufuggin bix nood SAAR PLEASE REDEEM THE FACTORIO
don't care brownoid
3 months ago
Anonymous
Did I mindbreak you this hard? Also post hand. If you do not I will accept your concession.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>SAAR PLEASE REDEEM THE HAND SAAR DO THE NEEDFUL SAAR
post your high school diploma first
3 months ago
Anonymous
Concession accepted.
3 months ago
Anonymous
concession accepted
3 months ago
Anonymous
>what is interest >what are wages
Jesus Christ you really are moronic
3 months ago
Anonymous
Bad bait, try harder.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>things that are affected by inflation upset me
You're out of your depth, maybe after you leave home and get a job you'll understand, you'll even be able to afford to buy Factorio too
3 months ago
Anonymous
How is it possible that you morons think the only explanation for people disliking the price hike on a video game is that it has become unaffordable for them? Does it not occur to you that there could be another reason?
3 months ago
Anonymous
If the shoe fits
2+2=4
3 months ago
Anonymous
Buy the game right now if you can afford it then. Prove it. Dipshit.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Prove that you can jump by jumping off a building. Dipshit,
3 months ago
Anonymous
Awww he can't afford the game, must've run through his mommy's allowance already hehe seethe in poordom
3 months ago
Anonymous
Awww he has no argument and knows I'm right.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Does it not occur to you that there could be another reason?
What other reason can there be? Don't tell me you don't just buy everything you can afford. What are you, cheap?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>gets absolutely btfo >attempts to reframe
No no, tell me more about how inflation doesn't affect expenses, go on
3 months ago
Anonymous
Go on and tell me how inflation is so crippling that it causes the need to raise the price on a game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Rent for an office?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sure thing >going concern >expenses increase >required revenue increases
Pretty simple
Your turn, now tell me how inflation doesn't lead to increased expenses
Are any of these unique costs to the Factorio developers? Why does no other game studio feel the need to raise the price on their games over time? Why does every other game developer no matter the size have sales on their video games?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>btfo again >attempts to pivot again
jej
Also have you not noticed that triple A games cost $70 now?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Have you not noticed that Triple A games do not increase in price over time? Quite the opposite, in fact.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Have you noticed AAA publishers have fricking billions of dollars?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Just like all those indie game companies right? Is every game company composed of billionaires except for the lowly Factorio devs?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Just like all those indie game companies right?
what the frick are you talking about?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why does every indie company not raise the price on their game over time if your argument is that Triple A game companies having billions of dollars is the reason they don't. You fricking moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Because other indie games are shit. You're here seething about this game and not the others because of that fact.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Oh ok you're just a moron then.
3 months ago
Anonymous
cope and seethe. I got the game on sale and you didn't because you're fricking dumb as shit and I'm not. That's all it comes down to, Black person.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I got the game for free. You just have no argument.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Thread about game never being on sale
moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It doesn't go on sale.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Not my problem if you missed on buying it for 20 dollars.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It's not my problem either because I'm not buying the game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he can't afford $35
embarrassing tbh-ne
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sorry, I'm just not buying it. I'm just not doing it. I'm not.
Sorry.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Then stop complaining, Black person.
3 months ago
Anonymous
No. Watching you homosexuals get so defensive over people calling out obvious israelitery is extremely entertaining. You homosexuals are incapable of admitting that the devs are greedy israelites because you like the game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>300 reply thread of people laughing at OP for not having a spare $35 >nu uh I'm not poor and mad you guys are mad
3 months ago
Anonymous
So true, sis!
*boots up overwatch 2*
3 months ago
Anonymous
Not sure why you feel the need to announce what game you're playing.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So what's your problem? I don't care that you didn't pay for it lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
Have you noticed that Triple A games are shitty? And that there is always new AAA games to buy, with the old ones abandoned and forgotten like the souless husks they are?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Have you noticed that it is not just Triple A games that decrease in price over time, but basically every other game as well? Except for Nintendo games I suppose but they're just as moronic as the Factorio devs.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I was fricking your mom and she saw this post, made some good bridge-based argument, can't remember it though
3 months ago
Anonymous
So you have no argument? Didn't think so.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Strange thing to say given that their games have actually increased in price from $60 to $70
Immaterial anyway, you're brown and poor, won't post hand, and can't afford $35 kek
3 months ago
Anonymous
>have actually increased in price from $60 to $70
Yeah they don't go on sale for $20 after 6 months. They sure raised the price moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Sure thing >going concern >expenses increase >required revenue increases
Pretty simple
Your turn, now tell me how inflation doesn't lead to increased expenses
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the only explanation for people disliking the price hike on a video game is that it has become unaffordable for them?
why does it need to become unaffordable? would you ask for a raise only after you've become homeless and without enough food to last a month?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Because they love the game and will defend every little decision that doesn't disturb the gameplay itself, even if it's not a good decision. They've made literally millions of dollars with a small team of developers that they've increased over time even before hiking up the prices but the lead developer is either autistic (in case he raised the price because he thought the game's value should increase with inflation) or greedy (in case he just wanted to squeeze more money), even though the gameplay now doesn't really match the price tag anymore other than for the people that play it as a sort of relaxing, meditative thing at this point and who spent more than a thousand hours on it. I don't think it's as bad as Rimworld though, when the lead developer of Rimworld said he doesn't put the game on sale because there's no DLC and then he released DLCs and then put the game on sale for 10% off, which is only just enough to put it on the Steam front page among other "on sale" games without being a significant enough reduction. He moved to 20% sales after raising the price from 30$ to 34$ and then 32$, which puts it at only 1,4$ lower than before.
Personally I just don't like the price change even after buying the game before that (and not enjoying it much), the same arguments regarding inflation are the same arguments that allow 70$ games, even though the underlying principle is often just greed and squeezing more money out of the customer.
3 months ago
Anonymous
10 commandments say "don't covet" and "don't steal" they're doing neither
to be human is to be greedy, you by complaining about the price, are greedy too, why is it okay for you but not for them?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>10 commandments
Disregarded.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Why are factorio drones completely incapable of accepting that it's a greedy and moronic decision to raise the price on a digital good due to """inflation"""?
Because you haven't been able to present an argument for it. I bet you think people that like starship troopers are media illiterate too lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
My argument is that raising the price on a video game under the guise of inflation is greedy. No other game developer in the industry does this. It was not necessary for them to do, and they did it anyway.
3 months ago
Anonymous
My argument is that you're poor and should get a job
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yeah we get it you're a moron.
3 months ago
Anonymous
yeah that guy should know that mommies special boy doesn't get a job. you should just reach into her purse and take her credit card
3 months ago
Anonymous
Keep it drooling man.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>no you
seethe homie
3 months ago
Anonymous
>seethe seethe seethe
Your purchase of a game does not make you special. $35 is not a lot of money. Anyone in this thread can afford the game.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>uhh ur poor
homie you're the one seething about the price
3 months ago
Anonymous
>>uhh ur poor
Nobody said that. Your lack of reading comprehension and use of the word homie leads me to believe you are indeed a Black person. No further replies will be handed out to you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why guise? Money is worth less. So the game costs more to keep value equal >No other game developer in the industry does this.
That's not an argument. That's an observation. >It was not necessary for them to do, and they did it anyway.
It was not necessary for them to get any money. They are in Czech republic. They could get food and roof from a homeless shelter.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Inflation exists. Read into it.
Oh, so every downloadable copy of Factorio has to be produced anew every day in the Factorio factory?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Generally you'd set a price where people would pay it, given that their sales are steady despite increases and there are only subhumans reeing about the current price tag, I'd say it's set at about the right level
3 months ago
Anonymous
If the steam reviews and this thread are anything to go by, setting the price at $1,000 would be a great bargain and so many people would be happy to pay it. Unless of course the whole "dollar per hour" argument is moronic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Honestly, yeah. I've put over 3000 hours into the game, they deserve at least $1000 imo.
3 months ago
Anonymous
So when you will pay them the residual amount?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Already have. I've bought the game a bunch of times to give the developers what they're owed.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You are literally the only person who has said anything about dollars per hour
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't care. And I'll pay $30 for the expansion too. I spent more time in Factorio than any $60/$70 slop in the past ten years. >le time =/= value
I seriously doubt when your mom is out turning tricks that they would happily pay less for less time to frick her.
I fricking love going to the car wash that gives me three minutes to wash my car for $3 instead of the one that gives me five minutes.
Even if Factorio had ten hours of gameplay, it would still be more fun than a $160 edition of a modern AAA game. I would have more fun playing the $0 tutorial than Star Wars Outlaws
Please have a nice day.
3 months ago
Anonymous
If this guy
factorio is ok value i guess
paid 500 dollars, he would have gotten around 7h/$ out of factorio
If you pay 60$ for a 20h game, you would get around 0.33h/$
Man despite only buying vidiya when they are on sale I commend factorio devs sticking to their no sales rule.
Based on the info Ive heard online about the devs, they have basically turned down lots of potential sales sticking to this rule.
Rough TLDR is
Devs thing they will sell maybe 200k(or so) copies tops so they do no sales rule to try breaking even.
Game goes viral, and they realise they could make kmore money with sales.
Dont do it because they dont want to frick over people who bought into the game early due to no sales rule.q
Kudos to them for sticking to their principles.
Reminder that sales are a israeli trick to push mindles consumerism.
For the people complaining about the price.
Game has no DRM, just pirate it.
Oh shit one of the early supporters I see
chad.
but being euro makes you immune to criticism on Ganker
homie the frick you on?
There was an euro gaming thread yesterday.
It was immediately infested by americans seething.
>Dont do it because they dont want to frick over people who bought into the game early due to no sales rule.q
But that's exactly the known risk of being an early adopter. You get the hottest shit NOW because you want it NOW and need to consume NOW, even though you could get it cheaper later on.
Also, if they did a sale now for, say, 20 bucks, I'd still pay more than a 10 dollar early adopter.
So no matter who you try to twist and turn it, it's simple greed and you're a moron.
>Dont do it because they dont want to frick over people who bought into the game early due to no sales rule.
The thing is, a significant proportion of consumers who really like a game want the fan base to increase for various reasons (product gets the appreciation it deserves, more people to talk to and produce content, more success for the devs who deserve it, more chances for the series to continue being produced, etc.), so they will often be in favor of the price being reduced to attract more people.
The people who think "I got ripped off by those bastards!" at the time of a sale are probably an overwhelming minority.
If you're a man you have a drive that pushes you to fix things and push forward, and there's always something to improve in Factorio. If you're just an empty shell you're going to feel the lack of orders from your superiors, translated as boredom by your automaton brain.
That said, overhaul mods give you plenty to do once you're done with vanilla, especially if you also make the native fauna harder to deal with. Nothing like the urgency created by the will to survive to push you above and beyond.
I don't care. And I'll pay $30 for the expansion too. I spent more time in Factorio than any $60/$70 slop in the past ten years. >le time =/= value
I seriously doubt when your mom is out turning tricks that they would happily pay less for less time to frick her.
I fricking love going to the car wash that gives me three minutes to wash my car for $3 instead of the one that gives me five minutes.
Even if Factorio had ten hours of gameplay, it would still be more fun than a $160 edition of a modern AAA game. I would have more fun playing the $0 tutorial than Star Wars Outlaws
>defend
you're under the impression that the devs have to act as impassionate robots maximizing revenue or the number of players. That you're somehow owed a reduction in price for not buying the game.
the price hikes are a clear message from the devs to you: "suck my dick you broke ass b***h"
Punishment for morons that didn't buy it earlier. You have no excuse, there's been threads about this game here constantly since it was in early access.
No, moron, you pirate the game during early access
Actually just pirate every single game and try it out before deciding if you want to buy it
Are you people moronic?
Yeah sure, you forgot to mention >Always come up with the smallest thing to avoid buying it later and save your petty conscience.
Try before buy?
Try and never intend to buy more like.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Stop projecting, you fricking subhuman. I pirated for 100 hours when it was in EA, then I bought it ON SALE for $14 while it was still in EA because I know a good game when I play one. have a nice day.
3 months ago
Anonymous
B-but I toooootally did the thing and didn't do mental gymnastics, trust me broooooo ;_;;;;
I have bought 2 games, they are terraria and factorio.
That is relevant how?
3 months ago
Anonymous
How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning, niganon?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I have bought 2 games, they are terraria and factorio.
I buy good games in early access. Not my fault the rest of you are too fricking stupid to know what a good game is and need to be told for years and years by thousands of people before you decide to think about putting it on your wishlist. You're a fricking moron, not me.
>I buy good games in early access >implying you can tell in EA
You are the equivalent of someone winning in the lottery and then claiming it was all because of their hard work and determination. Keep lying to yourself, I don't care.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>you can tell
Yes.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>conveniently leaving out the "ea" part
dishonest homosexual
3 months ago
Anonymous
They had a demo available when it was in early access. How fricking new are you?
3 months ago
Anonymous
The point of EA is that is can always change, so if I play the demo of some very early version it doesn't tell me SHIT. How fricking dense are you?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Updates are optional. You can download legacy versions. There is a demo available. You have everything you need to make an informed decision. For an entertainment product, it's one of the lowest risk purchases you can make. Even more so because you will never miss out on a sale.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>The point of EA is that is can always change,
It can, but only shit games will change radically. Factorio was great from the start, there was never any chance of it being fricked up. You only have yourself to blame for not being able to see that.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Factorio was great from the start, there was never any chance of it being fricked up
Now once again without hindsight, please.
3 months ago
Anonymous
ok see
>The point of EA is that is can always change,
It can, but only shit games will change radically. Factorio was great from the start, there was never any chance of it being fricked up. You only have yourself to blame for not being able to see that.
Then accept that you're a coping moron who doesn't know a good game when you see it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I can. You're a brainwashed moron. I've only bought 3 games in EA because I pirated them all and they were good games. Cope and seethe, NPC.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I've only bought 3 games in EA because I pirated them all
dis homie be some kind of schrodinger's pirate
???
Where did you get the idea I was defending Nintendo
Are you moronic? Did you never learn to read?
I think you only learned to ignore the point and try to move the goalposts.
Sure >there exist intangible value - everything has it, it's derived from things such as time, happiness, things I need, things I want >value is hard to directly exchange when not in person >currency is an imperfect medium of exchanging value created by humans >with time, more currency is created, shifting the ratio of value to currency >the game retains the same value as it had >therefore for it to cost the same value, the currency price needs to increase
>a lot of people say it's worth it >one of the few games that people DEFEND the price tag on >you still want a 10% game
Just stick to your 3 hour $2 games, bud.
>inflation is a thing >the price of factorio has gone up from 30 to 35 dollars because of it. >inflation is a thing
Better hurry or the FOMO will cost you.
>mfw when I got the game for 15 bucks
feels good to be an earlychad
now the price gatekeeps poor subhumans thirdies as well as morons who don't know how to pirate, but is still approachable to people who actually work for a living
I swear it's like every day I find the new epitome of autism. Autisming THIS HARD over a game going up in price, one of the most respected games out there too. Lol. LMAO even. I might even go as far as to ROFLMAO.
>products with elastic demand
You obviously do NOT know what it means, you absolute fricking moron
3 months ago
Anonymous
Feel free to correct me any time Mr Economist
Pro tip: you can't
3 months ago
Anonymous
Going by your theory, Steam Sales should not exist
3 months ago
Anonymous
You're implying every game has the same elasticity of demand, I never said that they all do >elastic demand >inelastic demand
After brazenly saying I don't understand it, you simply do not understand the concept, you even have Google and Wikipedia at your disposal, and you continue to not understand it
The only reasonable explanation is that you are an actual moron
This is your last (You)
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You're implying every game has the same elasticity of demand, I never said that they all do
Ah, moving goalposts now, I see. You still haven't explained why Factorio in particular should be inelastic. We both know this will NOT be your last (You), because you're too much of a homosexual to just let it be
3 months ago
Anonymous
nta but
elastic demand: me going from buying to not buying once a game has a price beyond 0$
inelastic demand: me buying factorio space age for 120$
3 months ago
Anonymous
You didn't explain what elastic demand means, lol.
You really have no fricking idea. You tried to dodge the point by moving the goalposts, holy shit.
A lot of people don't understand that it's actually true. Terraria goes like 50% off pretty often despite being a 10$ game and its amount of downloads doubled since 1.4. Gmod becomes extremely cheap pretty often and still makes decent amounts of money.
>get banned from a game for saying something like "free company" or "Black person" >IT'S A PRIVATE COMPANY THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT CHUDDIE >indie dev raises price of game >NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WTF THEY CANT DO THAT THIS IS ILLEGAL BIDEN SAVE ME!!!
You are aware it's just a meme mod Devs came up with for fun? You can completely disable it as it's not main focus with SA.
It's just something turbo autists can thrive on
I don't see anything wrong with a "no promotions" policy. It's never happened to me, but imagine saving up your money, buying a game, and the next day it's 75% off because of a sale. It must be quite frustrating.
Now raising the price of your game almost 10 years after it was released because of inflation seems to me to go against this "pro-consumer" thing. They should have done the opposite, reduced the price now that it's time for new DLC. It would probably be a strategic decision that would bring in more profit, by the way.
>imagine saving up your money, buying a game, and the next day it's 75% off because of a sale. It must be quite frustrating >You can stop the trolley at any point but it would be unfair to the people it has already rolled over
Can't you just refund and buy it again at the lower price. Most retail stores will give you a refund of the difference if it's within 2 weeks of a sale
Thank you based consumer rights autists for hyperfocusing on a company most notable for adding continual value to their product in an industry that is almost outright hostile to its customers. After all, Factorio is an always online game, its servers will be shut down at some point and the program uses invasive DRM to prevent piracy at the cost of all users.
>muh niche game
factorio has 10k player on steam right now and sold millions of copies its not a niche game, its a spin of on a city builder but with belts instead of roads.
if you knew your time was actually worth something, you would be able to charge that much for it too. as an added benefit, you would be able to afford to pay for others' time like factorio. if you're worthless, then that's just too bad.
AAA developers atleast have excuse of high cost development, look at something like Witcher 3 which clearly had hundreds of professional voice actors, music composers, story writers, hundreds of 3d artists and mocap models yet it goes on sales and can be often be both for 5$. Factorio is a small 2d game made by 20 guys in their basement and somehow they are above it all? You gotta be joking.
it’s not even the game is that good but it overlaps too much with minecraft style first person survival craft games, and EVERYONE would rather make that
There is no reason to ever put a digital game on sale. Game prices going down over time is an antiquity of an era when stores had to clear out shelf space for new products.
Sales are the natural consequence of wanting to target all wage brackets of society. You start selling your software for a high price and then lower it as sales start slowing down. The idea is if you leave it at its original price point, you get initial buyers picking it up and then everyone else who decides it's too expensive for its value doesn't buy it. You plateau in income.
When you put it on sale, previous brackets who thought it was too expensive at its original price are now more inclined to buy it, so you make revenue from people you originally weren't getting anything from. Because digital distribution costs very little unlike manufacturing a physical product, every sale past the initial investment is pure profit. So you keep stepping down the price gradually to ensure you get as many people giving you money as possible.
The problem comes later when so many people are aware of this strategy and instead decided to hold out for lower prices before they buy software. Something that Valve's finally realized is that all the sales have conditioned people to never buying anything until it drops in value substantially, so the effective price of software on Steam is very low outside of people with low impulse control. Steam isn't generating the same income as when the sales first started.
Most smart consumers will never buy a game for a higher price than its previous sale price. If you put a game on sale once all it does is train the consumer to wait for the next sale.
Devs already said that the expansion will be priced the same as the base game so the total cost will be $70 as soon as it hits, both never going on sale. If you think OP-like posts are bad now just you wait until that happens and people find out about the game in 2025 and start complaining about the 70$.
video game players don't value video games at all which kinda just shows you how worthless they really are. >I'm REALLY interested in this game that is 10 years old >but man who could come up with 40 dollars in a decade, ah well, I'll just do something else
have you ever heard of someone REALLY wanting to read a book or see a movie who didn't do it because it cost 10's of dollars?
it's funny because the game has a demo and is easily piratable, using your metaphor it's like wanting to read a book thats available on a library and not because they don't want to bother with signing a paper
uh because you just sound moronic >god I can't believe they charge 40 entire dollars for this game I'm playing! sure it's good, sure I'm playing it, sure I didn't even pay for it but 40 dollars frick you!
god I can't believe they charge 40 entire dollars for this game I'm playing! sure it's good, sure I'm playing it, sure I didn't even pay for it but 40 dollars frick you!
And?
Still waiting for a sale
Play something better in the meantime. gaytorio devs are greedy fricks that increased its price
Delicious seethe
Go on, cope more by telling everyone how you pirated it a hundred times
>Delicious seethe
The only thing you gaylord find delicious, is Factorio's devs wiener
"play something better"
>something better
Yea champ im gonna need some examples
What games are you into, then? I can give you some recommendations
You can always play classics, like deus ex for example
I mean, I am into games like factorio?
What game is "like factorio" but "better than factorio"?
Minecraft is better than factorio.
I also heard that Kerbal Space program/Dyson sphere is good. Infinifactory is pretty close to factorio, but I havent tried it
Also, there is a game called Satisfactory on steam. Its similar to Factorio as well, but its on early access
Satisfactory is fricking awful. It takes ages to get to the point where you can actually automate power sources and until then you're stuck going around cutting down trees and picking leaves to make biofuel which you have to insert into each bioreactor by hand. In Factorio as long as you've got coal that's a reasonable distance from a body of water you can get a fully automated power source up and running in a matter of minutes.
>Satisfactory is fricking awful. It takes ages to get to the point where you can actually automate power sources and until then you're stuck going around cutting down trees and picking leaves to make biofuel which you have to insert into each bioreactor by hand.
This is apparently getting fixed in next release, they got belt inputs now. Should have had it on day one though.
That doesn't solve the tedium of having to constantly go around chopping trees and bushes down to churn out biofuel. Part of what makes Factorio work, and a key factor that a lot of automation games that try to copy it miss, is that with enough ingenuity, you can automate everything early on from your production lines to your power plants. Like even before unlocking electric furnaces you can automate your coal furnaces with clever use of conveyor belts and inserters. A lot of clones try to lock that shit further down the tech line, forcing you to do shit like constantly hand crank generators on Techtonica or constantly go around constantly cutting down trees and picking leaves off bushes in Satisfactory until you're far enough down the tech tree to unlock even the most basic shit to automate everything
because they’re copying minecraft not factorio
Minecraft, DSP, Infinifactory, Satisfactory are not better than Factorio
Modded minecraft birthed factorio, and factorio is the origin of all of these other engineering games
/egg/ has been trying to find something like factorio but better than factorio for ages, there is nothing
I am not even being a shitposter here, I really want to know if there is a better game out there
Allah grants 100 better automation games to it's warriors
ah so you don't know shit
Minecraft can't compare to factorio in terms of scale and optimization (logistics and in general).
Dyson is alright but kerbal is nothing like factorio, its a space sim.
Honestly, all 3D "factory" games can't compare to factorio.
>t-t-these grapes are probably sour anyway!!!!!!
>gaytorio devs are greedy fricks that increased its price
based dev
>Still waiting for a sale
>Still waiting for a sale
words cannot describe how much I hate this c**t. He was a b***h the moment he started leaching off el goblino
Just pirate it you fricking tard
dev basically says the only reason to buy this game is to get a confirm key to use the forums and have an easier time downloading mods. he expects you to not be moronic and just pirate the game if you're broke, also no sales.
Why? It's better than whatever else you were gonna buy anyway.
and that's a good thing
Game is worth $100. If you can't scrounge up $35 you're a fricking idiot
>$35
I thought it was $30, but your post made me check again. Apparently the dev raised the price to $35 a little while ago to compensate for inflation, despite the fact that the "labor costs" were 100% pre-inflation. Holy shit, I actually can't stop laughing. What a israeli power play.
Factorio fans are actual cultists who will defend it too.
>what is a going concern
This is why you will never have money, you don't understand anything about it
Money loses something like 40% of it's buying power every 10 years. It's their asset, they're entitled to raise the price, and it's fair to raise it proportional to inflation.
>despite the fact that the "labor costs" were 100% pre-inflation
they are not selling you at labor cost, or labor cost + flat, or labor cost + %
they never claimed labor costs are at all related to the price
do you not understand the difference between manual work like cashier or a janitor which exchange time/labor directly for money, and specialized jobs which spend time/money on research/development/engineering a product/service and sell that?
why are you cost watching others anyway commie, it's called free enterprise, they set the price and you either accept it or not, if the price is truly wrong they'll just go bankrupt
>the price of a product is purely a function of inputs
This is literally LITERALLY a central tenet of Marxism, have a nice day
>despite the fact that the "labor costs" were 100% pre-inflation.
So, uh, should every game drop to $0 when it launches since the labor costs are now 0?
Meanwhile ubishit raises the price of the game to 109.99 and noone bats an eye
If they released a game at $10,000 but you knew in 1 year it would be $10, does it really cost $10,000?
What kind of rhetoric is that? Its worth to you as much as you are willing to pay.
The more expensive it gets, the fewer people will buy it.
For a product with infinite supply, the only value for price is (assuming negligible development costs) only the perceived value
My point is that you know a Triple A game is going to go on sale for a fraction of the price it releases at.
So what you're saying is that triple A games have a lower perceived value?
I'm saying that a Triple A game WILL go on sale. It's just a matter of when and for how much. Anyone who perceives the value as its release price will pay it. Anyone who doesn't value it at the release price will simply wait for a sale.
Righto, so you are saying that in your opinion, the release price of triple A games is not a good approximation of their true value? That you perceive their value to be lower and as such are not willing to pay the price that they release at?
I am saying that there is a choice to be made. You are being intentionally obtuse. You can either pay the price as is or wait for a sale. What I personally would do doesn't matter.
Factorio has no such choice. You either buy the game now or the devs will crank the price on you at some unspecified time in the future.
I finally understand what you're mad about
You perceive the value of Factorio to be lower than the current price, and are mad that the devs haven't bent to your will on how you think they should price their game
Not even close. I'm sure the game is worth its price tag. The devs are just cowards who can't admit they are exploiting FOMO and their accumulated goodwill to squeeze every last dime out of new potential customers. They could raise the price by $60 and they would have tens of thousands of morons running defence for them and they know it.
Or maybe you're just wrong about their intentions, I'm sure you would squeeze every cent out of anyone, that seems to be the sort of thing you'd do, maybe they are not you though
Yeah them being the only devs in the industry to raise the price on their game really helps them come across as benevolent souls. It just amazes me the lengths Factorio players will go to defend obvious greed.
>$35 price tag
>obvious greed
Laughable
A bunch of games have been gotten readjusted, especially games that are still under development like Factorio. 2.0 will be absolutely free and it's bringing more improvements than Cyberpunk got.
there are free mods made by enthusiasts with more content than they managed to shit out in almost decade of development
>>A bunch of games have been gotten readjusted
Name one game that has been fully released for years and increased its price.
They could, and people like you would defend them. Doesn't mean it would make them more money.
They could, and yet they don't, perhaps indicating that they are not greedy
Again, just because they could doesn't mean it would make them more money. Raising the price is greedy, full stop.
You are asserting, simultaneously, that raising the price will not make them more money and is therefore not greedy, and that raising the price is greedy because it makes them more money, literally nonsensical
No, you just lack reading comprehension. I am saying that raising the price by $5 is greedy, and they did so. I am also saying that raising the price by $60 is greedy, and also that they didn't do that because it wouldn't make them more money. You being unable to read is not on me.
It's not greedy to do something that will make you less money you fricking moron.
You are a gargantuan moron. Have fun sucking factorio dev wiener.
>Post nonsense
>"No you"
Lulz. Can't wait for the 70$ threads.
>Have no rebuttal so you just pretend I don't make sense
FactorioBlack folk are a different breed.
>immediately starts thinking about penises
>hyper autistic about a blip in russian pricing
>obviously esl
VatBlack person kek
I never once typed about Russian pricing. Also not ESL but you know that.
You actually just don't have a consistent position because your "argument" is based on nothing concrete, merely your feelings, you're like a woman
Again, you just can't read and instead of understanding that you blame me. My position could not be more clear you just disagree with it and therefore pretend I don't make sense.
Iron Lung increased from 6$ to 8$ which is literally nothing but also a 33% price increase
Does that game have a no sales policy as well?
"no that one doesnt count because it does sales"
You're finally starting to get it, little moron.
>They could raise the price by $60 and they would have tens of thousands of morons running defence for them and they know it.
So, uh, the fact that they don't seems to suggest they're not greedy.
Factorio has been increasing its price since it was created, from what I heard, you could get it for free back in the day if you emailed the devs and still play it today.
"People" who never played nor ever will, get mad that some developer is increasing the price of the game due to inflation while not knowing that the actual gay shit they did was to increase prices in Russia by some 1000%
you just love to make up stories in your deranged head dont you?
https://steamdb.info/app/427520/
Believe it or not, factorio was not in steam day 1.
https://factorio.com/blog/post/getting-the-alpha
How can you not be capable of doing 1 (one) google search before lying on the internet?
i was referingt your bullshit russia story
????????????????
It was only for a while, but still
That happened when they increased the prices for everyone, most likely fricking up the comma.
Huh. I looked it up again and again and I guess that is it.
I read a bunch of negative russian reviews and assumed it was them "dabbing on the russians" with a price increase
I am sorry for lying on the internet.
I will now buy 3 (three) copies of the expansion.
>I read a bunch of negative russian reviews and assumed it was them "dabbing on the russians"
people assumed it was that because of the timing of it happening like 6 months after the invasion of Ukraine but it was literally just someone fat fingering the worst possible regional price at the worst possible time
>price accident happens for less than a day
>autistic russians never let that shit go and seethe eternally
it's all starting to make sense now
Well, Czechs are understandably butthurt about the Soviet Union and Russia by extention
>Factorio has been increasing its price since it was created
Yeah, that's moronic.
>noone bats an eye
nice revisionism, everyone shits on ubigarbage, go read youtube comments below they newest game trailer
>read youtube comments
no thanks, ill leave that sort of moronation to you
yet you make imaginary narratives in your head
>thing i own increased in value
i feel richer already
Only 35 dollars? What a steal!
Is this adjusted for inflation? It seems so.
https://fineleatherjackets.net/monkeyinflation
yes
This game is dog shit though. Easily the shittiest hit and quit it titles ever. You could have played this game on day one and quit for several years an came back to it and NOTHING would have been different. I can only assume the dev is a drug addict at this point. Let's also expand OP's list.
>Never has had meaningful changes.
>Never has had content filled updates.
Stale ugly boring flat as paper gameplay loop.
Poor quality bait
Whatever helps you sleep at night mister "I'm a real engineer, but in the game".
Not a single thing in my post was false.
>y-you're gonna wait forever if you need a sale
As opposed to the gated paid community.
Who are also waiting forever, for the same game they paid for.
You really been killing the same ugly brown bug for 1k hours?
Frick off, moron.
lmao
Even poorer quality bait
Post game library
Yes it has. I bought it for $14 on sale when it was in early access. If you haven't bought it by now, you're fricking moronic.
skip a mcdonalds meal
I'm always pissed off by morons like this developer who say "IM DOING IT FOR THE CONSUMER BRO" while conveniently only doing the "pro-consumer" things that make them the most money.
Yeah, sure, no sales ever, wow you really helped me out bro.
How about if you're so pro consumer you make the game open source? Or anything else that isn't a direct means of preserving your bottom line?
I'd have more respect for the cuck if he just flat out said "I'm not doing sales", but he had to pull out some weird cope argument about how "I'm not doing sales and here's why that's a good thing for you, goy".
Cry more fence sitter.
They don't need to put it on sale to get the dreg ends of people who would only play it for an hour before dropping it.
I say it as someone who bought the game in early access.
He's just a israelite chink c**t who cares more about making mcdonalds money than helping the consumer, so his fake "pro-consumer" face is annoying and grating.
Anon there's no stopping people from dropping a game if they get bored/don't like it.
https://steamcommunity.com/stats/427520/achievements
More than half of players have never even built a train.
I've played a thousand hours and never built a rocket. You don't have to build trains to finish the game.
Frick you, your right but dam
Im going to go build trains right now
There have been sales though. You're just too much of a fricking moronic newbie to have been around when they happened.
I found the explanation satisfactory because it benefits early adopters. Right now, I'm encouraged to never buy games at release because I can just wait a few months and then the game will be on sale. If there's a game I really want, it still leaves a sour taste knowing I have to spend full price on release when someone else could pay pennies down the road, so I just don't buy it.
In the case of Factorio though, I bought it once years ago and it keeps getting more content. The fact that it never goes on sale means nothing to me since I already own the game, but I still benefit from more things coming out for it. So in the case, buying a game at release not only doesn't lose me money compared to waiting, the game actually appreciates in value because it continues to receive support.
Some people cannot wrap their head around the difference between "pro potential customer" (people who haven't given you money) and "pro customer" (the people that actually gave you money), since the latter is so incredible rare nowadays. They think "pro customer" means pandering to those who are not customers at all.
Why exactly would hurt you, as an already existing customer, if the game went on sale?
Reduced revenue equals reduced support
Factorio has been greatly improved by updates, and there is an upcoming expansion that will include a lot of free qol improvements for those who don't buy it
>HURR MUH REVENUE
Revenue is a shitty way of gauging anything and I hate working in an environment where absolute c**tS who don't know SHIT about ANYTHING keep droning on about MUH REVENEUE MUH METRICS.
Additionally, what reduces revenue more, selling for less money or not selling at all?
Fricking moron, I bet you're some first semester business major, because you're exactly as moronic as those fricking morons.
Plus, what "support"? It's not like they have a helpdesk staffed 24/7 that knows every customer by name to help them with their specific request.
have a nice day
>muh econ 101 pricing strategy
Reducing price only increases sales if demand is elastic
dude this is embarrassing. just pirate it if you can't afford it.
Very well, I accept your concession.
Sales are literally a way of maximizing revenue at the expense of margins, brainlet
How about you read a post to the end before writing up such a moron reply, you illiterate monkey? IT'S LITERALLY IN THE SECOND SENTENCE YOU FRICKING moron
>Additionally, what reduces revenue more, selling for less money or not selling at all?
Selling for less
>Reduced revenue equals reduced support
Oh, so that is the reason why the GOG version isn't up to date? Because not enough people have bought it?
The developer has asked me for X dollars in exchange for their game. So that's the price they said the game is worth. I agreed that the price is reasonable, so I paid X dollars and got the game.
The game went on sale for A dollars (A < X). So that's the price the developer says the game is worth.
That's not the price they said to me before. The game has not gotten worse (in fact, it got better).
The hurt is that I was lied to about the value of the game by the developer.
If they can sell if for A, they they should ask for A from the start instead of lying to me. If they can't actually sustain selling for A, then they shouldn't sell for A, because that means my purchase was subsidizing someone else's
They haven't lied to you, the game is worth less because it's less desirable for potential customers not because the quality decreased.
The game's content and quality are meaningless in their worth, the only real factor is it's desirability by potential customers. A change in this desirability by any factors means the game is now worth different, regardless of how development has progressed.
They don't choose a price based on how much content there is, but based on how much they think they can get people to pay.
>because it benefits early adopters
I don't have stock in the company so I don't consider or entertain questions like
>Do the people who purchase the game on day 1, put 4500 hours into the game, and then write 37 essays on their own free time telling people that the game is worth $100 feel like they got a good deal?
As someone who cares more about playing games than stock options or profitability, I entertain discussions like
>Oh the game is more expensive, again. I guess I'll redownload the cracked copy since my friends want to play it again. It's a good thing the game is easy to download and can still connect with legitimate copies.
If you're going to use piracy as an argument, then it really doesn't matter if the game is selling for $30 or $10 because either way, you're getting it for free. You are still benefiting more from the devs continuing to add improvements and content to the game compared to the game going gold and then never being updated again. I don't know why you can't grasp that.
It matters because I would support the devs if the game was 10$ but I'm not going to if it's 30$.
CHEAPSKATE
Enjoy waiting
But I'm not waiting tho
Why would you support them over pirating their game?
My guy, factorio is an investment product, would you want your investment product to decrease in value?
Wtf
Hey moron I've got a pirated copy of factorio for you to invest in
>invest 0 money into investment
>it goes up 1000%
>withdraw your profits and investment
>0 money
Weird, I thought it was a video game. Can you cash in that "investment" for a profit? In dollars?
Not in dollars, unfortunately
But you earn back your investment in the cryptocurrency called "fun"
So you're talking out of your ass like usual.
Why do you take Ganker posts seriously? Do you have family issues?
I pirated and got the same investment back, I think you got scammed my guy.
Yeah, same reason. If he just said he likes money it would be ok, but it was the same (false) arguments and lies the big publishers constantly talk about, too.
So I put around 200h into a pirated copy :^)
The base mod is source available, you can make your own client
You're moronic. They call them "sale prices" because the lower price generates more sales. i.e., more money. If anything, refusing to drop the price temporarily to do a sale is turning potential money down. Do you think all those other businesses have sales because they care about consumers? LOL
If the game is apparently worth what you paid, and in fact would have been a steal even at twice the price like you shills proclaim you shouldn't feel robbed if someone else therefore gets it cheaper.
Unless of course the game isn't actually worth that. 🙂
Whatever man, go ahead and pirate to your hearts content, the game is good and more people should play it
Not really it's a boring chore sim. Maybe having a feeling of sunk cost would help me delude myself into thinking it's actually fun but I don't have that burden.
then why are you in this thread complaining about the price of a game you don't want? Fricking moron.
Because it makes shill like you fill your diapers in rage.
You little poopy boy.
No it doesn't, it just makes me sad that people as fricking moronic as you exist.
Cry about it.
lol don't care. Frick you, I got mine.
kys cuck
>I'm always pissed off by morons like this developer who say "IM DOING IT FOR THE CONSUMER BRO" while conveniently only doing the "pro-consumer" things that make them the most money.
Absolute moronation. They are losing money by adjusting to inflation and by not doing sales.
just pirate it then and stop making seethe threads like a chink
It's lame and honestly I think it's losing the developers money over the long-term (there's a reason sales are a thing in the first place), but if you really don't want to pay the price just pirate.
>there's a reason sales are a thing in the first place
Nah, it's just different business models. Publishers have multiple games scheduled to release for years to come. By devaluing your old offerings you make space to sell a new product to your customers (and hopefully, some new ones as well). Wube is not a publisher. They don't have anything else coming, and beating factorio is very, very difficult as it's essentially the apotheosis of it's own genre. They themselves (think they) can't do it, that's why they're making a DLC instead of sequel.
But it's free
Its also (alsmot) full price on grey key sellers
Seems the dev never felt the need to send codes to every fricking shitty "game critic" out there begging for exposure so ruskies couldnt harvest keys to sell
good on him
>so ruskies couldnt harvest keys to sell
Anon... that's not how Steam keys work.
where do they come from then? if you believe they come from compromised credit cards then why are there a lot of games, very popular ones like factorio or astlibra, that have no keys available?
And it just happens to be games that are very low on marketing there has to be some correlation there
The publisher. It's how they bypass steam's 30% cut
>Bypass
>By selling at a massive discount
That many people also got to 1k advanced circuits.
Well over 40 hours for the average joe.
>never goes on sale
>dev raises the price of a digital product
>because the devs are europeans no one on Ganker b***hes about this and tells other uses not to pirate their game
Literally obsessed.
Being euro had nothing to do with the price hike.
but being euro makes you immune to criticism on Ganker
Stop being mindbroken anon, it doesn't
You're fricking moronic and not living in this reality. There are people saying to pirate it in this short thread. I pirated it and played 100+ hours before I bought it. have a nice day.
i dont think i have ever seen the
>dont pirate this game devs deserve the money
card played about factorio in fact, probably because their stance on sales while you will see it always been at least mentioned for any non AAA game ever
This is true and if I catch you b***hing about us again Ill make the EU fine your ass
Theres not really much downside in pirating it other than a slight enconvenience in getting the mods
>enconvenience
Like pottery
That's fine, they've continued development even when they didn't really need to. They could've just checked out after releasing it, that's what i would done
If a game is good it isn't worth it to wait for a sale.
Seeing other people talk about it will shape your experience, and I would say in some ways even taint it.
In this game, like puzzle games, most of the fun is figuring stuff out yourself, so if you are overly exposed to factorio threads, videos, etc, you are very likely going to see some solutions.
This will dampen the joy of finding your own solution to say making logistic science packs or managing your oil processing byproducts.
This isn't only true for factorio, and there are other factors of timing that come into play with many games.
Overall, I'd say judge a game by it's reviews rather than by it's discount. If it doesn't seem worth it full price it probably isn't worth your time anyway.
Yeah you could play some ubisoft slop like the division for like 80% off, but is it worth it?
Pfffft. I bet you pre-order games and buy early access slop, dumb fomo gay.
Just don't spoil yourself. It's not that hard.
The gameplay is so padded and spread out that I don't know how they can justify $32 for it, they're really probably just banking on the modding community like Rimworld does.
I have bought factorio for less than what is today 10 USD in my currency, and have over 2400 hours
I for one have no idea why the frick some people pay 60~70 american freedom coins for less than 15 hours of movie games
Me neither, I don't like that games have their prices geared around first world economies.
>proudly announcing that you're an EA cuck
No money is worth that
Unlike your mother.
was on sale for years
I added this game to my wishlist after playing the demo and enjoying it thinking I would buy it at the next sale. The next time I looked at it the price had increased, and I read online that the devs "don't do sales", lol. Took that shit off my list immediately. Might pirate it one day.
developer said he might do a sale soon.
Greedy homosexual devs with an insufferable fanbase to boot.
Good, it filters the ESL pajeets and keeps the fanbase pure
Pure shit.
Whatever you say sir
cope and seethe mudasir
It is literally on sale RIGHT NOW
If all games had the love, care and sovl put into them as Factorio does then I wouldn't mind never having a sale again.
Doesn't need to go on sale. It's worth every fricking penny with what the devs put into this shit. They shit in the face of paid DLC and are working on a gigantic content enriching/QOL improving update.
Shit is like crack though so be careful.
Paid shill detected. have a nice day ASAP.
Can't kill myself, the factory must grow.
Hope they're at least paying you well. Gotta do something with all that extra money.
I do have a lot of extra money yes, considering I bought the game 10 years or so ago and there hasn't been a single paid update or paid DLC.
And there hasn't been a single sale. In fact the price has only gone up. Very curious.
I too would increase the price of my game as it improved over time, especially if it was selling like hot cakes. Why wouldn't I. Capitalism, ho!
Why don't they just price the game at $500 then? Isn't it a heckin bargain still?
That seems unreasonable don't you? Games tend to be priced like 20-60 bucks these days so I think the current price is fair.
Seems perfectly reasonable given that any argument that increasing the price over time is moronic is met with the "yeah but I bought it 8 years ago for 5 bucks and put 10,000 hours in it so it was a good deal."
Why does this game's price upset you? Don't you see how it's an ultra autistic thing to focus on and that it makes you look like a total chimp frick? Like god damn.
Inflation exists. Read into it.
Why are factorio drones completely incapable of accepting that it's a greedy and moronic decision to raise the price on a digital good due to """inflation"""? You can think the game is fun and still think the devs are morons.
Must be poor I guess. People who exaggerate as much as you are for a game below 60 bucks should be doing better things than b***hing about a game's price online, like getting a job. Have you tried getting a job, perhaps then you wouldn't even look at most game's prices you would just be buying them because you wanted to play them, you know, like normal people. Or are you a special snowflake who doesn't want to be normal so you lash out in the most autistic way possible.
Because I think it is moronic that the devs are to my knowledge the only morons in the entire gaming industry who raise the price on their game over time means I can't afford it. You are a moron.
>$35 is unaffordable
It's like less than one hour of labor for people just out of college
>esl
my condolences my brownoid acquaintance
>$35 is unaffordable
Nobody said that.
>esl
You can't read and call me ESL. Don't know what I expected from a Factorio drone.
>the only morons in the entire gaming industry who raise the price on their game over time means I can't afford it
tell me with a straight face that this A) doesn't mean what I said it does, and B) isn't ESL gibberish
A.) Because you can't read and then blame it on me.
B.) See point A.
Black you cannot write for shit. you need to take your monkey ass back to school and get your ged
Again, you are completely incapable of reading a single sentence without getting confused. The Factorio devs truly sent their best and brightest to run defence for them on Ganker.
>mufuggin bix nood SAAR PLEASE REDEEM THE FACTORIO
don't care brownoid
Did I mindbreak you this hard? Also post hand. If you do not I will accept your concession.
>SAAR PLEASE REDEEM THE HAND SAAR DO THE NEEDFUL SAAR
post your high school diploma first
Concession accepted.
concession accepted
>what is interest
>what are wages
Jesus Christ you really are moronic
Bad bait, try harder.
>things that are affected by inflation upset me
You're out of your depth, maybe after you leave home and get a job you'll understand, you'll even be able to afford to buy Factorio too
How is it possible that you morons think the only explanation for people disliking the price hike on a video game is that it has become unaffordable for them? Does it not occur to you that there could be another reason?
If the shoe fits
2+2=4
Buy the game right now if you can afford it then. Prove it. Dipshit.
Prove that you can jump by jumping off a building. Dipshit,
Awww he can't afford the game, must've run through his mommy's allowance already hehe seethe in poordom
Awww he has no argument and knows I'm right.
>Does it not occur to you that there could be another reason?
What other reason can there be? Don't tell me you don't just buy everything you can afford. What are you, cheap?
>gets absolutely btfo
>attempts to reframe
No no, tell me more about how inflation doesn't affect expenses, go on
Go on and tell me how inflation is so crippling that it causes the need to raise the price on a game.
Rent for an office?
Are any of these unique costs to the Factorio developers? Why does no other game studio feel the need to raise the price on their games over time? Why does every other game developer no matter the size have sales on their video games?
>btfo again
>attempts to pivot again
jej
Also have you not noticed that triple A games cost $70 now?
Have you not noticed that Triple A games do not increase in price over time? Quite the opposite, in fact.
Have you noticed AAA publishers have fricking billions of dollars?
Just like all those indie game companies right? Is every game company composed of billionaires except for the lowly Factorio devs?
>Just like all those indie game companies right?
what the frick are you talking about?
Why does every indie company not raise the price on their game over time if your argument is that Triple A game companies having billions of dollars is the reason they don't. You fricking moron.
Because other indie games are shit. You're here seething about this game and not the others because of that fact.
Oh ok you're just a moron then.
cope and seethe. I got the game on sale and you didn't because you're fricking dumb as shit and I'm not. That's all it comes down to, Black person.
I got the game for free. You just have no argument.
>Thread about game never being on sale
moron.
It doesn't go on sale.
Not my problem if you missed on buying it for 20 dollars.
It's not my problem either because I'm not buying the game.
>he can't afford $35
embarrassing tbh-ne
Sorry, I'm just not buying it. I'm just not doing it. I'm not.
Sorry.
Then stop complaining, Black person.
No. Watching you homosexuals get so defensive over people calling out obvious israelitery is extremely entertaining. You homosexuals are incapable of admitting that the devs are greedy israelites because you like the game.
>300 reply thread of people laughing at OP for not having a spare $35
>nu uh I'm not poor and mad you guys are mad
So true, sis!
*boots up overwatch 2*
Not sure why you feel the need to announce what game you're playing.
So what's your problem? I don't care that you didn't pay for it lmao
Have you noticed that Triple A games are shitty? And that there is always new AAA games to buy, with the old ones abandoned and forgotten like the souless husks they are?
Have you noticed that it is not just Triple A games that decrease in price over time, but basically every other game as well? Except for Nintendo games I suppose but they're just as moronic as the Factorio devs.
I was fricking your mom and she saw this post, made some good bridge-based argument, can't remember it though
So you have no argument? Didn't think so.
Strange thing to say given that their games have actually increased in price from $60 to $70
Immaterial anyway, you're brown and poor, won't post hand, and can't afford $35 kek
>have actually increased in price from $60 to $70
Yeah they don't go on sale for $20 after 6 months. They sure raised the price moron.
Sure thing
>going concern
>expenses increase
>required revenue increases
Pretty simple
Your turn, now tell me how inflation doesn't lead to increased expenses
>the only explanation for people disliking the price hike on a video game is that it has become unaffordable for them?
why does it need to become unaffordable? would you ask for a raise only after you've become homeless and without enough food to last a month?
Because they love the game and will defend every little decision that doesn't disturb the gameplay itself, even if it's not a good decision. They've made literally millions of dollars with a small team of developers that they've increased over time even before hiking up the prices but the lead developer is either autistic (in case he raised the price because he thought the game's value should increase with inflation) or greedy (in case he just wanted to squeeze more money), even though the gameplay now doesn't really match the price tag anymore other than for the people that play it as a sort of relaxing, meditative thing at this point and who spent more than a thousand hours on it. I don't think it's as bad as Rimworld though, when the lead developer of Rimworld said he doesn't put the game on sale because there's no DLC and then he released DLCs and then put the game on sale for 10% off, which is only just enough to put it on the Steam front page among other "on sale" games without being a significant enough reduction. He moved to 20% sales after raising the price from 30$ to 34$ and then 32$, which puts it at only 1,4$ lower than before.
Personally I just don't like the price change even after buying the game before that (and not enjoying it much), the same arguments regarding inflation are the same arguments that allow 70$ games, even though the underlying principle is often just greed and squeezing more money out of the customer.
10 commandments say "don't covet" and "don't steal" they're doing neither
to be human is to be greedy, you by complaining about the price, are greedy too, why is it okay for you but not for them?
>10 commandments
Disregarded.
>Why are factorio drones completely incapable of accepting that it's a greedy and moronic decision to raise the price on a digital good due to """inflation"""?
Because you haven't been able to present an argument for it. I bet you think people that like starship troopers are media illiterate too lmao
My argument is that raising the price on a video game under the guise of inflation is greedy. No other game developer in the industry does this. It was not necessary for them to do, and they did it anyway.
My argument is that you're poor and should get a job
Yeah we get it you're a moron.
yeah that guy should know that mommies special boy doesn't get a job. you should just reach into her purse and take her credit card
Keep it drooling man.
>no you
seethe homie
>seethe seethe seethe
Your purchase of a game does not make you special. $35 is not a lot of money. Anyone in this thread can afford the game.
>uhh ur poor
homie you're the one seething about the price
>>uhh ur poor
Nobody said that. Your lack of reading comprehension and use of the word homie leads me to believe you are indeed a Black person. No further replies will be handed out to you.
Why guise? Money is worth less. So the game costs more to keep value equal
>No other game developer in the industry does this.
That's not an argument. That's an observation.
>It was not necessary for them to do, and they did it anyway.
It was not necessary for them to get any money. They are in Czech republic. They could get food and roof from a homeless shelter.
>Inflation exists. Read into it.
Oh, so every downloadable copy of Factorio has to be produced anew every day in the Factorio factory?
Generally you'd set a price where people would pay it, given that their sales are steady despite increases and there are only subhumans reeing about the current price tag, I'd say it's set at about the right level
If the steam reviews and this thread are anything to go by, setting the price at $1,000 would be a great bargain and so many people would be happy to pay it. Unless of course the whole "dollar per hour" argument is moronic.
Honestly, yeah. I've put over 3000 hours into the game, they deserve at least $1000 imo.
So when you will pay them the residual amount?
Already have. I've bought the game a bunch of times to give the developers what they're owed.
You are literally the only person who has said anything about dollars per hour
Please have a nice day.
If this guy
paid 500 dollars, he would have gotten around 7h/$ out of factorio
If you pay 60$ for a 20h game, you would get around 0.33h/$
21x the value, at 500 dollars
works on my machine
Man despite only buying vidiya when they are on sale I commend factorio devs sticking to their no sales rule.
Based on the info Ive heard online about the devs, they have basically turned down lots of potential sales sticking to this rule.
Rough TLDR is
Devs thing they will sell maybe 200k(or so) copies tops so they do no sales rule to try breaking even.
Game goes viral, and they realise they could make kmore money with sales.
Dont do it because they dont want to frick over people who bought into the game early due to no sales rule.q
Kudos to them for sticking to their principles.
Reminder that sales are a israeli trick to push mindles consumerism.
For the people complaining about the price.
Game has no DRM, just pirate it.
Oh shit one of the early supporters I see
chad.
homie the frick you on?
There was an euro gaming thread yesterday.
It was immediately infested by americans seething.
>Dont do it because they dont want to frick over people who bought into the game early due to no sales rule.q
But that's exactly the known risk of being an early adopter. You get the hottest shit NOW because you want it NOW and need to consume NOW, even though you could get it cheaper later on.
Also, if they did a sale now for, say, 20 bucks, I'd still pay more than a 10 dollar early adopter.
So no matter who you try to twist and turn it, it's simple greed and you're a moron.
>Dont do it because they dont want to frick over people who bought into the game early due to no sales rule.
The thing is, a significant proportion of consumers who really like a game want the fan base to increase for various reasons (product gets the appreciation it deserves, more people to talk to and produce content, more success for the devs who deserve it, more chances for the series to continue being produced, etc.), so they will often be in favor of the price being reduced to attract more people.
The people who think "I got ripped off by those bastards!" at the time of a sale are probably an overwhelming minority.
Reminder that this is what peak base config look like
>solar
jk, looks cool. What's going on with the oil/coal on the west side not connected to anything else?awwp
I brought everything back with trains or pipes.
how do you have fun after this stage?
Faustian spirit
If you're a man you have a drive that pushes you to fix things and push forward, and there's always something to improve in Factorio. If you're just an empty shell you're going to feel the lack of orders from your superiors, translated as boredom by your automaton brain.
That said, overhaul mods give you plenty to do once you're done with vanilla, especially if you also make the native fauna harder to deal with. Nothing like the urgency created by the will to survive to push you above and beyond.
I don't care. And I'll pay $30 for the expansion too. I spent more time in Factorio than any $60/$70 slop in the past ten years.
>le time =/= value
I seriously doubt when your mom is out turning tricks that they would happily pay less for less time to frick her.
I fricking love going to the car wash that gives me three minutes to wash my car for $3 instead of the one that gives me five minutes.
Even if Factorio had ten hours of gameplay, it would still be more fun than a $160 edition of a modern AAA game. I would have more fun playing the $0 tutorial than Star Wars Outlaws
>I fricking love going to the car wash that gives me three minutes to wash my car for $3
dis homie paying to work
factorio is ok value i guess
Neat.
It was cheap as frick at the very beginning.
if you worked at mcdonalds for 1 minute every time you made this thread, you would've made enough money to buy it a thousand times over
And I still wouldn't because I never buy games unless they are on sale.
Please defend the price hikes. Love to hear your argument.
>defend
you're under the impression that the devs have to act as impassionate robots maximizing revenue or the number of players. That you're somehow owed a reduction in price for not buying the game.
the price hikes are a clear message from the devs to you: "suck my dick you broke ass b***h"
Yachts are really fricking nice
Punishment for morons that didn't buy it earlier. You have no excuse, there's been threads about this game here constantly since it was in early access.
>buying anything in early access
And you call others morons
No, moron, you pirate the game during early access
Actually just pirate every single game and try it out before deciding if you want to buy it
Are you people moronic?
Yeah sure, you forgot to mention
>Always come up with the smallest thing to avoid buying it later and save your petty conscience.
Try before buy?
Try and never intend to buy more like.
Stop projecting, you fricking subhuman. I pirated for 100 hours when it was in EA, then I bought it ON SALE for $14 while it was still in EA because I know a good game when I play one. have a nice day.
B-but I toooootally did the thing and didn't do mental gymnastics, trust me broooooo ;_;;;;
That is relevant how?
How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning, niganon?
I have bought 2 games, they are terraria and factorio.
Oh, so you didn't actually support anything? Good to know
I buy good games in early access. Not my fault the rest of you are too fricking stupid to know what a good game is and need to be told for years and years by thousands of people before you decide to think about putting it on your wishlist. You're a fricking moron, not me.
>I buy good games in early access
>implying you can tell in EA
You are the equivalent of someone winning in the lottery and then claiming it was all because of their hard work and determination. Keep lying to yourself, I don't care.
>you can tell
Yes.
>conveniently leaving out the "ea" part
dishonest homosexual
They had a demo available when it was in early access. How fricking new are you?
The point of EA is that is can always change, so if I play the demo of some very early version it doesn't tell me SHIT. How fricking dense are you?
Updates are optional. You can download legacy versions. There is a demo available. You have everything you need to make an informed decision. For an entertainment product, it's one of the lowest risk purchases you can make. Even more so because you will never miss out on a sale.
>The point of EA is that is can always change,
It can, but only shit games will change radically. Factorio was great from the start, there was never any chance of it being fricked up. You only have yourself to blame for not being able to see that.
>Factorio was great from the start, there was never any chance of it being fricked up
Now once again without hindsight, please.
ok see
Then accept that you're a coping moron who doesn't know a good game when you see it.
I can. You're a brainwashed moron. I've only bought 3 games in EA because I pirated them all and they were good games. Cope and seethe, NPC.
>I've only bought 3 games in EA because I pirated them all
dis homie be some kind of schrodinger's pirate
>all early access games are bad because Ganker told me so!
You're a literal NPC.
When Nintendo did this scare tactic of fomo for the 3d pack everyone was shitting on them
Factorio gays for some reason defend the devs though
>When Nintendo did this scare tactic of fomo for the 3d pack everyone was shitting on them
No idea what you're talking about, nintendie
???
Where did you get the idea I was defending Nintendo
Are you moronic? Did you never learn to read?
I think you only learned to ignore the point and try to move the goalposts.
Sure
>there exist intangible value - everything has it, it's derived from things such as time, happiness, things I need, things I want
>value is hard to directly exchange when not in person
>currency is an imperfect medium of exchanging value created by humans
>with time, more currency is created, shifting the ratio of value to currency
>the game retains the same value as it had
>therefore for it to cost the same value, the currency price needs to increase
>a lot of people say it's worth it
>one of the few games that people DEFEND the price tag on
>you still want a 10% game
Just stick to your 3 hour $2 games, bud.
good
gatekeeping is always a good thing
if you dont have it/arent in/cant get it/dont know about it, it was never meant for you
>inflation is a thing
>the price of factorio has gone up from 30 to 35 dollars because of it.
>inflation is a thing
Better hurry or the FOMO will cost you.
>mfw when I got the game for 15 bucks
feels good to be an earlychad
now the price gatekeeps poor subhumans thirdies as well as morons who don't know how to pirate, but is still approachable to people who actually work for a living
Just pirate it.
I swear it's like every day I find the new epitome of autism. Autisming THIS HARD over a game going up in price, one of the most respected games out there too. Lol. LMAO even. I might even go as far as to ROFLMAO.
I pity the people who never heard of it til it got expensive
I eat LUNCHES more expensive than this shit and the company pays for it
I cannot take people who can't pay $35 seriously. This isn't like Star Citizen whales or gacha freaks, it's $35.
Never pay more than 47.79 for a game
>spend €20 on game
>played over 400 hours and counting
If the game is fun and price is reasonable I will buy it, simple as.
>it's greed!
Wouldn't they make more money if they put it on sale?
>Wouldn't they make more money if they put it on sale?
No, because, uhh, SHUT UP CHUD!
>What is elasticity
Actual moron hours
>muh elasticity
You don't even know what that means, you're obviously just parrotting something that you think makes you look smart
I know exactly what it means, you're just upset because lowering price only increases sales for products with elastic demand
>products with elastic demand
You obviously do NOT know what it means, you absolute fricking moron
Feel free to correct me any time Mr Economist
Pro tip: you can't
Going by your theory, Steam Sales should not exist
You're implying every game has the same elasticity of demand, I never said that they all do
>elastic demand
>inelastic demand
After brazenly saying I don't understand it, you simply do not understand the concept, you even have Google and Wikipedia at your disposal, and you continue to not understand it
The only reasonable explanation is that you are an actual moron
This is your last (You)
>You're implying every game has the same elasticity of demand, I never said that they all do
Ah, moving goalposts now, I see. You still haven't explained why Factorio in particular should be inelastic.
We both know this will NOT be your last (You), because you're too much of a homosexual to just let it be
nta but
elastic demand: me going from buying to not buying once a game has a price beyond 0$
inelastic demand: me buying factorio space age for 120$
You didn't explain what elastic demand means, lol.
You really have no fricking idea. You tried to dodge the point by moving the goalposts, holy shit.
A lot of people don't understand that it's actually true. Terraria goes like 50% off pretty often despite being a 10$ game and its amount of downloads doubled since 1.4. Gmod becomes extremely cheap pretty often and still makes decent amounts of money.
Yes, but the devs are idiots. Simple as.
>buy a piece of land for $5 in 1803
>2024, go to sell the land for $200,000
>neckbeards start seething that I raised the price
CHAIN IN
RAIL OUT
RAIN IN
HAIL OUT
>get banned from a game for saying something like "free company" or "Black person"
>IT'S A PRIVATE COMPANY THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT CHUDDIE
>indie dev raises price of game
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WTF THEY CANT DO THAT THIS IS ILLEGAL BIDEN SAVE ME!!!
oh no you can't buy it on sale, keep it in your steam library, then never play it
i can't take any argument that this game is too expensive seriously, it's 35 bucks now and still blows anything priced at 60+ dollars out the park
Reminder that you were intellectually filtered if you disliked the quality feature beyond the tier names.
You are aware it's just a meme mod Devs came up with for fun? You can completely disable it as it's not main focus with SA.
It's just something turbo autists can thrive on
Do NOT tell them about "uranium processing" or "law of large numbers" we need to gatekeep this game against the masses
What'd they even add to justify the price increase? The spider tank is overrated...
I don't see anything wrong with a "no promotions" policy. It's never happened to me, but imagine saving up your money, buying a game, and the next day it's 75% off because of a sale. It must be quite frustrating.
Now raising the price of your game almost 10 years after it was released because of inflation seems to me to go against this "pro-consumer" thing. They should have done the opposite, reduced the price now that it's time for new DLC. It would probably be a strategic decision that would bring in more profit, by the way.
>imagine saving up your money, buying a game, and the next day it's 75% off because of a sale. It must be quite frustrating
>You can stop the trolley at any point but it would be unfair to the people it has already rolled over
>implying people get rolled over by the trolley voluntarily
???????
Can't you just refund and buy it again at the lower price. Most retail stores will give you a refund of the difference if it's within 2 weeks of a sale
>Game is $30
>I sleep
>Game used to be $70, but is discounted to $40
>TAKE MY MONEY
Are you literal monkeybrains really so moronic that you need a "ON SALE DISCOUNT" zoomer Black person flash button to buy anything?
Thank you based consumer rights autists for hyperfocusing on a company most notable for adding continual value to their product in an industry that is almost outright hostile to its customers. After all, Factorio is an always online game, its servers will be shut down at some point and the program uses invasive DRM to prevent piracy at the cost of all users.
Its mostly sour grape homosexuals who envy the autism of an engineering chad.
i think its a good game but also consider 35$ price tag to be way too high for what it is.
Fair
Finally someone who understands capitalism
I think you're wrong here. What else can you get with this scope for $35?
Hamburder
a lot of good games from past decade which get on a sale, for example XCOM2 + all DLC on pretty much permanent -95% for fraction of factorio price.
I can play openttc, dwarf fortress an many other games for free 😉
Then dont buy it. Nobody is forcing you to. Nobody will cut off your testicles for not paying 35 Eurodollars to some indie dev team
>Make a game appealing to people in the, on average, highest paid career path
They could charge $500 and engineers would still buy it
>muh niche game
factorio has 10k player on steam right now and sold millions of copies its not a niche game, its a spin of on a city builder but with belts instead of roads.
I bought it for $20
Pretty good value, considering I've paid $60 for games that lasted me less than 6 hours
if you knew your time was actually worth something, you would be able to charge that much for it too. as an added benefit, you would be able to afford to pay for others' time like factorio. if you're worthless, then that's just too bad.
>Someone makes a good thing people want to buy
>Charge money for it
Comrades.... this cannot be happening
SMEGMAPHORE
Factorio thread
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sorry pal, pyschotic poorgays already got to this thread, maybe we can talk about videogames in the next
indie games are underpriced as a whole
>never been on sale
>one of the best selling games on steam
>
you should be able to solve this
we've really run out of shit to talk about with this game, need that expansion.
>2014
>Factorio costs $20
>average new release game with 1/10 the content costs $70
>2024
>Factorio costs $35
>average new release game with 1/20 the content costs $90
it's been on sale for its entire existence
Take the cancel culture mentality and shove it up your ass
I finally understand
It's autism
AAA developers atleast have excuse of high cost development, look at something like Witcher 3 which clearly had hundreds of professional voice actors, music composers, story writers, hundreds of 3d artists and mocap models yet it goes on sales and can be often be both for 5$. Factorio is a small 2d game made by 20 guys in their basement and somehow they are above it all? You gotta be joking.
Who cares, the game is for people with >70 IQ anyway, guess that rules OP and pajeets out
I once built a belt that goes in a loop. Ha ha!
>not being an alpha or beta chad
it's over for you
https://gog-games.to/game/factorio
Factorio is worth the price. The expansion is going to be excellent, I can’t wait.
it’s not even the game is that good but it overlaps too much with minecraft style first person survival craft games, and EVERYONE would rather make that
There is no reason to ever put a digital game on sale. Game prices going down over time is an antiquity of an era when stores had to clear out shelf space for new products.
What? You put a game on sale to get people in the door for the upcoming expansion. It's business 101.
you’re a moron, sales are very important for digital games
Sales are the natural consequence of wanting to target all wage brackets of society. You start selling your software for a high price and then lower it as sales start slowing down. The idea is if you leave it at its original price point, you get initial buyers picking it up and then everyone else who decides it's too expensive for its value doesn't buy it. You plateau in income.
When you put it on sale, previous brackets who thought it was too expensive at its original price are now more inclined to buy it, so you make revenue from people you originally weren't getting anything from. Because digital distribution costs very little unlike manufacturing a physical product, every sale past the initial investment is pure profit. So you keep stepping down the price gradually to ensure you get as many people giving you money as possible.
The problem comes later when so many people are aware of this strategy and instead decided to hold out for lower prices before they buy software. Something that Valve's finally realized is that all the sales have conditioned people to never buying anything until it drops in value substantially, so the effective price of software on Steam is very low outside of people with low impulse control. Steam isn't generating the same income as when the sales first started.
So if your sales are consistent year on year, should you still lower you prices?
Lowering your prices generally means more sales, but it also lowers total revenue
It is about maximizing price * sales, where sales is dependant on the price as well.
So in this case, lowering your prices would not be an optimal move then?
Most smart consumers will never buy a game for a higher price than its previous sale price. If you put a game on sale once all it does is train the consumer to wait for the next sale.
Sales are always about "look at how much you are saving" and "buy it now for cheap while you can" and never "the price will increase after this date"
Devs already said that the expansion will be priced the same as the base game so the total cost will be $70 as soon as it hits, both never going on sale. If you think OP-like posts are bad now just you wait until that happens and people find out about the game in 2025 and start complaining about the 70$.
Based, they should increase base game to 60$ as well, frick normies
>$70 for base game and bootleg casualized SEx
Grim.
video game players don't value video games at all which kinda just shows you how worthless they really are.
>I'm REALLY interested in this game that is 10 years old
>but man who could come up with 40 dollars in a decade, ah well, I'll just do something else
have you ever heard of someone REALLY wanting to read a book or see a movie who didn't do it because it cost 10's of dollars?
>books are $20-30
>film tickets are ~$40
Of course I know him. He's me.
it's funny because the game has a demo and is easily piratable, using your metaphor it's like wanting to read a book thats available on a library and not because they don't want to bother with signing a paper
Why is it not possible to pirate the game and also shit on the devs for their moronic pricing?
Because the pricing is only moronic if you are poor
uh because you just sound moronic
>god I can't believe they charge 40 entire dollars for this game I'm playing! sure it's good, sure I'm playing it, sure I didn't even pay for it but 40 dollars frick you!
why would i care about the price if i already own it for cheap and/or stole it?
I mean it's easy to steal from the library or a bookstore, so I'd say the metaphor totally tracks.
Someone who really wants to read a book but won't pay 40 dollars for it and won't steal it. that person doesn't exist/ or is an underageb&.
Perhaps the real sale was the friends we made along the way.
And worth every single cent.
god I can't believe they charge 40 entire dollars for this game I'm playing! sure it's good, sure I'm playing it, sure I didn't even pay for it but 40 dollars frick you!
>autistic dweeb gets btfo and stops posting
There is no sweeter feeling
post factories homosexuals
I bought it for 300 rubles on a sale.
this game will suck your soul out... if you want hours of pure addiction, go for it!
i wish, i sent rocket into space and was kinda done with the game
>Factorio thread
>morons arguing over its price for over 400 replies
why do I even bother with this board
>Factorio thread
no it was thread discussiong israeli practices of factorio developers from the start
there’s nothing to discuss really
Expansion when
do you have autism?
>yes
Factorio is worth a hundred dollars
>no
Factorio is worth 0 dollars