>The fantasy stuff totally sucks. But What I hate even more is the art style they switched to for Troy/Three Kingdoms.
It's the WH engine, what do you expect?
It's never happening because Hero Generals work best under the post-Rome 2 system. I want to get back to Medieval 2 style generals with lots of stats for fun RP, but it'll never happen. CA sold out a decade ago.
That is sad. Hopefully its just a unit reskin or something. I really want a new historical TW and I do love this time period. It's very underrepresented.
3K had bodyguards in records mode. It was still a game designed entirely for the goof Romance of the Dynasty Warriors, because CA doesn't know how to make games any more
Cant wait to be spammed with aids plague of locusts/frogs/sudanese events that replace the squalor spam of Rome and Medieval (no I didnt exterminate populus becuase I wanted to play the game on hard mode)
oh man i remember the days in rome 1 where the settlements made no fricking sense >squalor is reduced by health >build health building >it increases growth which increases squalor
and the distance to capital thing was just so fricking stupid, it was clear you weren't meant to capture everything but there was no raze settlement option >culture penalty >the settlement is tier 5 so i cant demolish its capital
>squalor is reduced by health >build health building >it increases growth which increases squalor
Sounds like it works exactly as intended, with health building allowing larger settlements/more stable settlements at the same size?
God the modern TW GUI is so bad.
Look how big everything is and how much wasted flavor GUI is present, the top balance of power bar is takes up valuable real-estate.
The UI is the most autistic thing to whine about. Nobody will ever agree, some people love the R2 UI other people say it's the worst part of the game. Some people want just the info they need, other people want culture specific art and history lessons for every button and window.
who cares
creative assembly hasn't made a decent game since empire
its going to be a shitty warscape game with epic skill shot abilities and armies devolving into blobs on contact and every nation starting as an opm #18
Egyptians, Hittites and Canaanites are confirmed thus far. I doubt we get much more for release. >The Egyptians have the Ramesses, Seti, Tausret and Amenmesse to choose from, while the Canaanites have the Bay and Irsu factions, and the Hittites the Kurunta and Suppiluliuma factions.
They weren't proto-Romans. In fact, there is a 0% chance the Sea People were in any way related to Romans because the Ancient Romans were infamously bad at naval warfare up until they found a way to turn it into land warfare with a new kind of boarding ramp.
Sea Peoples were likely either Phoenician or Illyrian.
Was talking about their unit roster and playstyle not their historical roots. If most of the other empires like Egypt and the Hittites focus more on chariots, spearmen and archers the sea peoples might have a core unit roster with shock infantry that throw javelins on the charge and a heavier focus on fast javelins rather than archers.
And even the conventional idea of the "hoplite" in both appearance and fighting form is several centuries in the future when this game takes place if it's right before the bronze age collapse like people are hoping.
It's just like the morons who played Attila and went, "WHERE LORICA SEGMENTATA ROMANS!!!1!" when at that point, the lorica segmentata (which was seemingly never the most common type of armor for Roman soldiers) had largely fallen out of favor during the crisis of the third century.
In the bronze age, heavy armor was mostly a luxury for the nobility to wear on their chariots (different regions had different fighting styles/methods/strategies of course), while most infantry were light spearmen at best who mostly just existed to let the chariots do their thing without the enemy chasing them. At best, the common soldier might have a bronze/copper helmet and/or a disk/square of bronze/copper to protect their chest, depending on the region and century.
I fully expect this to be saga trash. My guess is that it will be more Troy-tier Total War, where they try to appease both the Warhammer mongrels (superpowers and hero units) and the few historygays that are still holding on for a non-shit historical game (an option for bodyguard units instead of the god general running around on their own).
The customization thing seems interesting, but I bet the battles are still going to be eh. Battles on the Warscape engine have looked like shit whether they have linked animations (Empire, Napoleon, Shogun 2) or if they vaguely stab in the direction of someone (Rome 2, Attila, Warhammer, Thrones of Britannia, Three Kingdoms, etc.) Somehow the jank system of Medieval 2 looks better in terms of shit actually connecting, even if all the units in that game move like they're walking through a four-foot-deep pool of molasses.
It's very CA to have preorders when they haven't even revealed all that much about the game outside of some screenshots and gifs.
1 year ago
Anonymous
cont.
Then again, they're charging 60 FRICKING DOLLARS for the base game when they usually did 40 for Saga titles. Unless they got more greedy (if that's even possible at this point), then it might not be Saga shovelware (but it probably will; let's be real)
1 year ago
Anonymous
It's 100% Saga shovelware. I doubt this is even the "Historical" title that they were whispering about, this looks and feels like a way to salvage Troy by modding it in the same way they modded Rome 2 into Attila.
I swear I've never seen a company with worse business sense than CA. >Rome 2 is on horizon, but it has some problems in Alpha and Beta, launch will be rough and everyone knows it. >"Let's rent out the set of HBO Rome and have a party on launch day while everyone is complaining"
>our historical fans are rioting and demanding Medieval 3, what do we do? >Release it as the Charlamange expansion for Attila, give it zero budget, tell everyone to shut up and be happy
>Alien Isolation is a surprise hit and everyone is clamoring for a sequel >the team behind it is immediately broken up and everyone leaves for other companies
>We need a new History title, one which we can use to prove our hardcore historical fanbase is still financially viable. Now which era to pick... >"Hey guys! I saw this Vikings show on the History Channel! Let's do that!" >instant flop because there is nothing particularly interesting about a game with that small a scale and that dull a unit variety
>our historical fans are rioting again! What should we do? >Maybe bronze age total war? Mythology total war? >"I have a better idea! Let's make it neither bronze age total war NOR mythology total war! Nobody wins!"
>Hey, let's do a really good multiplayer only total war game... >AND RELEASE IT ONLY IN CHINA
They hate money. There is no other explanation.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>>Hey, let's do a really good multiplayer only total war game... >>AND RELEASE IT ONLY IN CHINA
Total War: Arena was available worldwide for a long time before it was canceled and sold to China. The real problem is they should have gone all in on Shogun vs. Medieval vs. Rome from the start, there was no reason for it to be Rome only.
1 year ago
Anonymous
they betrayed us with total war arena, they only released it in china
1 year ago
Anonymous
>they betrayed us with total war arena, they only released it in china
Are you drunk?
Tw arena was in steam first, then in wargaming.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Don't forget them appealing to the Warhammer fanbase with Total War Warhammer even making them blindly eat the fricking predatory idea of needing to own all three games for the complete Warhammer experience and then abandoning them when Warhammer 3 launched and was a disaster.
It's a vicious cycle
1 year ago
Anonymous
mental illness
1 year ago
Anonymous
He's right though
1 year ago
Anonymous
They know history fans have been foaming at the mouth for a historical total war after like 54 warhammer games.
And all we really wanted was a medieval 3 🙁
1 year ago
Anonymous
>we
Nah we wanted Pike & Shot, but bronze age is still alright.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They should use the actual historical timeline with the Atlantis high tech civs f****** with the natives and giving them take obviously the covered up one
>hoplites you fricking moron, heavy infantry
...existed in the classical antiquity, which is about 1000 years after the bronze age ended.
you might as well b***h that Attila doesn't have musketeers in it
1 year ago
Anonymous
Hoplites came to be much earlier than that. Probably only 300 years after the bronze age collapse. But that's a dark zone of unrecorded history so it's actually likely hoplites came to be during the collapse.
This would be cool if oceans in video games weren't just negative space with nothing going on in them. I mean, for frick's sake, CA probably won't even have naval combat ever again because their stupid "all stacks must have a general/admiral" resulted in the AI being given infinite heavy ships that you have to sink over and over again just because they must always have an admiral in their fleet.
What a shitty period to make a game out of.
There will be only 5 interesting countries to play (Egypt, Hittites, Mycenaeans, Assyrians and Babylonians) and the rest will be small shitty tribes. How will you have a game with replay value with only 5 factions?
this is why i think it will be a saga like title, not a true mainline historical game. the setting is just far too limited. shogun only worked because its a sequel to an original and everyone loves japan.
If they could make a bunch of diverse factions for Troy then I don't see why it would be difficult to do it for the same era with an even broader scope. Bronze Age peoples had distinctive national costumes and there were a shitload of lesser known nations and tribes they can take creative liberties with. The only problem is giving each army a distinct fighting style when heavy infantry and cavalry weren't very widespread.
Shogun could've been much more diverse and could've many more playable and actually relevant major factions (like Imagawa, Ashina, Ryuzoji, Arima, Ichijo, Kitabatake, Azai, Nanbu, Mogami, Miyoshi, Rokkaku, Asakura, Souma, Saito, Hatakeyama) if CA wasn't a bunch of morons. Ikko-Ikki could've been actually unique too, because right now they play like any other samurai clan despite being, you know, fundamentally anti-samurai.
>this is why i think it will be a saga like title, not a true mainline historical game.
it has been confirmed that the devs behind it are the bulgarian devs, so yes, it's a minor game with low budget
>shogun only worked because its a sequel to an original and everyone loves japan.
I hate shogun explicitly because I hate Japan and how shitty and limited setting it is
I'm actually wondering if it's going to be early iron age rather than bronze age if you set it about the XXVI dynasty you still get ancient Egyptians as we'd recognise them. But also are able to put Assyrians, Babylonians, Medians, Persians, Lydians a shit load of Greek factions into the game
It could be early Iron Age, but it's important to remember that "Bronze Age" wasn't ironless; and really it was more the collapse of trade routes that led to iron supplanting bronze.
I'm actually wondering if it's going to be early iron age rather than bronze age if you set it about the XXVI dynasty you still get ancient Egyptians as we'd recognise them. But also are able to put Assyrians, Babylonians, Medians, Persians, Lydians a shit load of Greek factions into the game
There will likely be semi-fictional tribes like what happened with there being "Spain" in Rome 1. So you will get Caananites and Nubian kangs to play as for added variety.
who cares
creative assembly hasn't made a decent game since empire
its going to be a shitty warscape game with epic skill shot abilities and armies devolving into blobs on contact and every nation starting as an opm #18
It's funny to see Empire now being retconned as the last "good" one considering how much hate it gets from the boomer fanbase that sees Medieval II as the last good one. IMO, both Empire and Napoleon were alright, though having said that I wasn't around for Empire's launch so I don't know if it was like Rome 2 where it launched poorly and needed a decade of patches to get good.
Empire was a broken game but I count it as the last good game because it actually tried to innovate and expand on politics. Napoleon is dogshit because after Empire's bad launch, they gave up on their ambitious to make the series more than it is, and drastically reduced it in scope while focusing only on warfare. Anyone who calls Napoleon a good game is a homosexual directly responsible for the current soulless arcade bullshit state of the game series.
Normally I would expect to hear about this and begin mocking whatever visuals they use at E3, but I remembered E3 wa cancelled. So what's repalcing E3 this year as the place all the devs reveal their latest cash-grabs?
In one way I'm glad that they are making another historical total-war game, but on the other I wonder why they stubbornly choose time-periods that are so fricking ancient that they might as well be fantasy games, what with all the guess-work they'll have to do
It’s definitely idealized, but by and large it seems to be an accurate depiction of an Egyptians overall look/skin tone. We know they varied from pretty fair (Ramses the Great was a ginger for example) to a tan olive color typical of the Eastern Mediterranean (similar to Phoenician, Canaanite, etc.), which is what this adaptation seems to be going for. What the Egyptians definitely were not, in any era, was super Northern European White or super Sub-Saharan African Black. Foreign rulers from places closer to these regions were, but not the native Egyptians.
Game looks based too, looking forward to it
It usually gets greyer, the Egyptians always depicted themselves with a copperish/brownish skin tone anyways, with the Libyans (Berbers) and Canaanites (Levantine Semites) being depicted as more pale.
1 year ago
Anonymous
> with the Libyans (Berbers)
that's just one depiction of some people that lived in eastern lybia and had probably nothing to do with berbers(we don't know anything about their language or customs)
stop spreading this berberist nonsense
bebrers/nw africans are super brown and very african admixed
1 year ago
Anonymous
>we wuz moors
frick off amerimutt
1 year ago
Anonymous
i'm not american and i never said that they are black, but yes berbers are dark skinned and african admixed (they're around 1/4 black), your battle against black people won't change the fact that moroccans, algerians and tunisians are some of the brownest people in the mena and are not white
Shit who is this whitey? Dis ain't be one of my Egyptian brothas, this chalkie looking mfer belongs at a KKK convention naw im saying??? Calling the NAACP over this racist crap
ok thanks for confirming you are mentally ill AND low iq
1 year ago
Anonymous
you moronic poltard frick off
1 year ago
Anonymous
Natural nobility (anyone relevant in antiquity)
1 year ago
Anonymous
i mean the guys moronic if you look at Egyptian actors they aren't what you call a good looking bunch, there a mix. Even the swarthy ones look nothing like the guy in the trailer.
The guy in the trailer looks american and a modern mixed person
He doesn't look as pale as Rami Malek, but Ramses III would have also spent a lot more time in the sun than him. There is nothing wrong with his skin tone.
egyptian actors and actresses are especially selected to be as white as possible
that region has an obsession with whiteness
1 year ago
Anonymous
>le ebil whiteness
frick off you racist
1 year ago
Anonymous
the fact you focus on skin just outs you as a black racist,
If you look up Egyptian actors as anon said they are a mixed bag, you get swarthy brown ones too.
If they are "selecting" them they are doing a bad job, a lot of them arent conventionally attractive so they must be well known for their acting
thank you for defending the white race ranjesh
1 year ago
Anonymous
People pretty much everywhere thought lighter skin was more attractive and it was associated with nobility because it meant you didn't have to work outside under the sun. It briefly flipped around in the west when people worked indoors and tanning showed you can afford vacations, but it seems to have somewhat fallen out of favour again, especially with more awareness of skin cancer and how it ages skin. There's probably also an element asiatic influence with Kpop and shit being popular nowadays and the pale skin beauty standard being very much alive there.
1 year ago
Anonymous
yeah, but my point still stands on why they try so hard to select white actors
1 year ago
Anonymous
In the bronze age nobles and elites were often pretty hands-on with their lands and cattle and so forth. Homer mentions that the princes of Troy tended the herds, even if you discount Paris.
1 year ago
Anonymous
the fact you focus on skin just outs you as a black racist,
If you look up Egyptian actors as anon said they are a mixed bag, you get swarthy brown ones too.
If they are "selecting" them they are doing a bad job, a lot of them arent conventionally attractive so they must be well known for their acting
yeah its clear who ever created it just looked up Egyptian and based it on pics of Black folks we wuzzing.
Instead of looking up Egyptian actor, which gives a better idea of what people from the region look like.
All the total war games for a good while have been denuvo so getting cracks has been unreliable at best. By now only one deranged troony does it for money (kinda missing the point) and there's a backlog of uncracked games. Best you can do is pirate the DLC.
I was really hoping for an Empire/Victorian Total War, I still play Fots from time to time.
Not really into the bronze age period, even more so when they did Troy not that long ago which flopped. Is there really enough content there for a main title série?
I wish they would make a WWII or like 1860 to 1945 game but these games have veered hard towards worthless flashy nonsense and away from complex nuanced strategy.
Given how powerful computers are getting, I would have thought some kind of persistent map WW1 game would be possible. Where you zoom out - build your cities, move your armies, etc. But then you zoom in and you can control troops in the trenches across the entire front.
I know it’s crazy to expect naval combat especially since they haven’t even shown boats in any of the material. But since they are saying terrain is going to influence battles hopefully we will get some amphibious attacks/sieges from the sea people
>Fantasy mixed up with Mythology (Please Warhammer Fans buy our game) >DLC 1 >DLC 2 >DLC 3 >DLC 4 >DLC 5
If you even consider buying this fricking have a nice day.
I’m not preordering, but I liked 3K enough and they are keeping the resource mechanics from Troy as optional, I’ll wait to see what other mechanics they are going to have. But $60 seems like a lot off the bat
Wait not fantasy?
Will there even be unit diversity then?
Everyone is probably going to be: >guy with sword >guy with spear >guy on a horse >guy on a chariot >guy on a chariot with a bow
Wait not fantasy?
Will there even be unit diversity then?
Everyone is probably going to be: >guy with sword >guy with spear >guy on a horse >guy on a chariot >guy on a chariot with a bow
Yes, that is how history works. There were TW's before Warhammer. If feudal Japan can work, so can Bronze Age.
Fair enough.
Better question then, why make Egypt instead of Rome 3? How could that possibly be more interesting?
Its a less explored era with different cultures/kingdoms/empires and on an older technological level, plus a potentially fun zoomed in view of Egypt and the Middle East.
>before Warhammer
Shit went wrong in Rome II, a 'historical game' with a vast number of identical units with different unit models and different stats. The stats meant one unit would beat another, but were otherwise meaningless at deciding how the unit should actually be used beyond 'square peg in square hole'. Total War is now a series designed for morons, people so stupid they unquestioningly copy the buzzwords that CA's marketing gives them
What makes you think I care? The gameplay is shit and that's all that matters. Total morons have buried their heads in the sand for over a decade now, shadow-boxing each other by talking about anything but how shit the game design is. Every game had problems, but everything that is currently wrong with TW started with Rome II, a game where CA failed three times to make the testudo formation work and then gave up. They could have just copied what Rome 1 did, but that would have been admitting Rome II was made of nothing but shit ideas.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>everything that is currently wrong with TW started with Rome II
Empire mortally wounded TW. Rome 2 brutally murdered it.
Rome2 had really bloated roster. Things like auxiliary units I suppose added some flavour but where just completely interchangeable swordsmanii maybe having 1 point of attack more but 1 less defence. Attila tried to fix it a bit with clearly superior units just replacing the weaker ones, but I never liked that either. I think the med2 recruitment system was still probably the best. Give some some limited options to recruit higher tier units so it's fun to play with and they actually feel special.
I feel like this game will just be Rome 2 but more streamlined or whatever they do with modern total war games. I've never bought a total war past Rome 2. I like Rome 2, but I feel like going back in time they are not going to exactly open up their options with ancient bronze age warfare. Warfare wasn't exactly more diverse the more you go back. Cavalry should be weaker. Infantry should be weaker. Chariots will be good, but archers should be weaker. I want a really good map with good features like trade and such, but I don't see how going back to an earlier period will make it any better than Rome 2.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They changed the map up with Troy and added resource specific trade that you needed to use to recruit certain units. Battles still play much like R2, maybe even looser since unit mass has been kind of fricked since the Warhammer games
>Natural disasters every turn >Bronze Age Apocalypse mode
Now I just want to play a reverse city builder where I set up a civilization and then see how much crazy shit I can put them through before they fall
What is the point of making an egypt themed total war game?
If it's purely historical, why would I play this instead of Rome?
If it's a fantasy game, why would I play this instead of Warhammer?
The Late Bronze Age period is a great time to play. The game could have Egyptians, Hittites, Mitannis, Assyrians, Babylonians, Mycenaeans, Elamites, Kush and more. Going from Ethiopia, to the Middle East, Greece and part of Iran.
We've been waiting for medieval three for ages .. getting advanced guns and just shooting peasants just feels right man plus the crusades was super Kino. Taking back the holy Land having my heavy calvery run down peasants... It just feels right man. Then there's elephants with the guns on the backs show up late game and just obliterate man I love that game
I think it would be hard for me tho think of a less interesting setting. Definately will be another troy-trash saga title. How can they be so stupid and ignore all the demands for a medieval 3 or atleast a 2 remaster? If you want the warhammer base make a arthurian legend or lyonesse dlc/mode or something. Considering the cleopatra backlash i doubt it will be well received or sell well. God i hate the modern industry
it's a saga title without saga in the title
it's made by the sofia team, that's why it looks like troy, they're even using troy assets for the shardana pre order bonus
>Considering the cleopatra backlash i doubt it will be well received or sell well
my headcanon is that they knew of netflix cleopatra (possibly insider info) and greenlit their bulgarian department to prepare the game and time its announcement with the show release for a potential marketing goldmine
but oh woops the show was universally hated LOL! at least it is developed by their bulgarian branch so the confidence must have been low from the very beginning
I wish I were an ignorant zoomer who thinks everything revolved around *CURRENT EVENT*. You probably weren't even around for the first time everyone spammed "WE WUZ" when they added Kush to Rome 2
>Seti II
A son of King Merneptah and chosen heir to Egypt's throne, the crown prince's sole rule is immediately challenged in his first year. He had a firm grasp on Lower Egypt with Men-Nefer (Memphis) as his capital. >Amenmesse
The challenger to the throne is the probable half-brother of Seti, usurping his rule over Upper Egypt, eventually securing Waset (Thebes). >Tausret
The royal wife of Seti, although possibly also his half-sister and the sister of Amenmesse as well. Following the death of her husband she became queen-regent to the young King Siptah. It is said that the Trojan War occurred during her reign. >Bay
Serving the Egyptian elite spheres for a long career despite his commoner origin, this Syrian-born scribe would become an invaluable asset to Seti during his reign. After the king's passing he played a crucial role in ensuring Siptah, the son of Amenmesse and a Canaanite concubine, took the throne with Tausret as regent. Such was his influence at this point that he was slated to become the first commoner to have a tomb in the Valley of Kings, and tradition suggests he seduced Tausret into giving him access to Egypt's treasury, but eventually his audacity was no longer tolerated and Bay was executed on the king's orders. >Irsu
A Shasu chief who leads the Canaanite territories of Egypt. An alliance was formed with Tausret during her reign allowing his de facto rule in Canaanite territories, but his forces openly plundered and raided into Egypt proper following her death. >Kurunta
This prince was granted rule over Tarḫuntašša, once briefly the empire's capital. But he, like his namesake god, is not content with mere fiefdom and has begun to call himself "Great King" in light of his successful conquests. >Šuppiluliuma II
The final king of the Hittite New Kingdom who fought against Tarḫuntašša, Alashiya, and the Sea Peoples. Notable for leading the earliest recorded naval battle.
In biblical terms this would actually be several centuries after Exodus and would be the war against the Philistines (who are widely accepted to be related in some capacity to the Sea Peoples) so it'd be more likely we'd see someone like Samson.
In historical terms, the proper Hebrew Kingdom shouldn't exist for anither century at least, forming in the post collapse dark age, so the Canaanite leaders are the closest analogue you'll probably get to a proto-jerusalem based faction
Luckily, according to archeologists the exodus never happened and the hebrews were de-facto caananites coming back to palestine from the babylonian exile. So in this game you will be raiding, subjugating and genociding the same people that would eventually form the kingdom of judah. Close enough for me.
Moses is a hero character like a Warhammer fantasy. Light wizard of the Abraham God. Have high prophets and schools of magic for each of the Egyptian gods and all the various pagan gods didn't have the Abraham one the Moses and just really high fantasy Warhammer that s*** for the lul. Also Judaic units get to the cross large bodies of water using the Moses character split ocean and other Abrahamic God mcguffins lol
CA shills already out trying to convince everyone people wanted this game i see...
More half assed fantasy shit and the odds we will ever get a proper history title again is next to none.
Is it strange to have a game that takes place in the Bronze Age and not have Mesopotamia in it, where is Assyria and Babylon? Here is an example of a map created by someone I found on another site for a theoretical game that would take place in this period.
Is it strange to have a game that takes place in the Bronze Age and not have Mesopotamia in it, where is Assyria and Babylon? Here is an example of a map created by someone I found on another site for a theoretical game that would take place in this period.
>no rest of north africa >they cut out iraq and most of persia too
who the frick made this garbage map? is the rest going to be DLC or some shit like total war warhammer where you have to link games?
That's the rumor for the Campaign DLC pack they already have on the season pass, but part of me says they would've led with that right out of the box rather than (so far) calling it a full historical title.
Troy was never a historical title. While there was a historic Troy, the Trojan War as described in the Illiad was pure fiction, and fiction for a literary purpose to illustrate the suffering and hardships of war and how to be a man of honor in such circumstances. The Illiad was never intended to be a historical document, and Total War Troy should not be considered to be such either.
I don't know if it was in this thread or some other, but I'll say it again: Troy was meant to be like Three Kingdoms. It's not historical, it's not fantasy, it's literary fiction.
>Antiquity
Hard fricking pass again. Jesus Christ, just set TW in some interesting era already. There wasn't a historical TW in a cool setting since fricking Napoleon. Thanks God for Warhammer at least, otherwise I would have forgotten about TW long time ago already.
full gun warfare make boring total wars. Shogun 2 and Empire were good because there was still point in building dedicated melee units.
The last eurocentric period fitting the genre would be the 17th century with the emphasis on the 30 Years War.
Total war Warhammer fantasy civil war game gunpowder game but we just really stretch the limits of fantasy and have all civil war generals as op hero characters like in the Warhammer game. Lol and over embellish all the all the channels in that time. And make them hero characters Warhammer total war style. Prototype ironclads and weird s*** all kinds of weird stuff you could add. Then the New orlean vampire faction. Go all out. Abraham Lincoln vampire slayer style.
I'm hoping for a pike and shot era game with mechanics to match the type of warfare in that period, but proper historical bronze age is a close second. I just hope it wont be fantasy.
Yeah remake of empire would be amazing like a world map one and being able to wage war and you can fund the start the the tea company that air is super Keno a remake of the empire. And have the whole world map would be pretty Kino. Had obviously live out my power Prussian fantasies. Or just do a world domination campaign with the Cherokee for the lul really flesh out all
the different factions you got a lot of unit variety and bring back naval combat sincerely.
>Use grand strategy to conquer and defend the rich lands of Egypt, Canaan and Anatolia >https://pharaoh.totalwar.com/
I'd be surprised if you don't at least get Minoans in there. It'd be weird to exclude Crete from that map description but the mainlond sounds like its not included
>no single entities, generals in retinues with bodyguards >no assladders >no magic - but saw generals have abilities of some kind >matched combat >weather >stances e.g. advance or give ground >much bigger battle maps than warhammer >sea people, hittites, canaanites >but sea people not playable (yet $$$)
is what i got from the vids i watched, cautiously optimistic for now
I don’t understand why people want to play the Sea People’s so much. They are just a generic boogeyman raider faction that would be 90% fictional units whose only mechanics would be “Destroy everything” and they aren’t going to add naval battles for literally 1 faction to use.
would be fun if it wasn't so moronic >losing provinces as the roman empire is actually meta >huns immortal faction until a specific year >AI doesn't know how to recolonize destroyed settlements >completely made up "climate change"
>losing provinces as the roman empire is actually meta
Isn't that historically accurate though? Part of the reason the Romans were doing so bad at that time is because they could not properly govern so many provinces.
no
they were doing so bad because they had no money (and couldn't ever catch a break to fix the finances), meaning they had to constantly devaluate their currency and rely on "allied" foederati for their army
losing provinces means you lose tax revenue, but the way atilla economy works it's hardly a problem
losing north africa for example was one of the most financially devastating blows to the WRE
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Anonymous
would be fun if it wasn't so moronic >losing provinces as the roman empire is actually meta >huns immortal faction until a specific year >AI doesn't know how to recolonize destroyed settlements >completely made up "climate change"
They ditched Britannia even though it was relatively stable because it was not worth the trouble. See the famous letter exchange with Rome telling britons to go frick themselves. >losing north africa for example was one of the most financially devastating blows to the WRE
Yeah, that's why you don't ditch North Africa when you do that strat. You sound like you don't even know what you're complaining about, just like most people on this board.
1 year ago
Anonymous
only one who certainly hasn't played it is you
pic related is absolutely nothing, 1000 income is like 3 cohorts and maybe 2 archer units
IRL the loss of africa was said to have deprived the empire of enough revenues to maintain 20k soldiers
"wowsers dood just like my history" with this piece of shit is only as strong as your ability to delude yourself
lmaoing at pop history rejects trying to lecture anyone on anything
1 year ago
Anonymous
>climate change with time is pop history
what is this meme, do you even know what pop history is?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Turned out it was a dry period, whatever, same results. Also >climate change hoax >let me show you this map which proves climate change is real
>hear somewhere that at some point in history there was a little ice age >regurgitate it in completely unrelated time periods to defend your little videogames >"wtf why do you accuse me of being some pop history brainlet?!?"
1 year ago
Anonymous
i don't like attilla total war, it's actually shit
but you are fricking moronic
1 year ago
Anonymous
Turned out it was a dry period, whatever, same results. Also >climate change hoax >let me show you this map which proves climate change is real
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I don't understand how averages work
God, I hate amerilard hours
They were both refugees of collapse (probably due to catastrophic agricultural failures) AND the cause of further collapse as they migrated and pillaged to avoid starvation. Being a refugee doesn't magically prevent you from exacerbating a crisis (like modern syrian refugees in Jordan and Lebanon for example).
>Hittites, Assyrians & others let 'refugees' in >Lost to the sands of time >Egyptians mow down 'refugees' >continue to exist, remembered as one of the great civilizations of history.
really activates ones almonds.
there was no united nations or refugee rights back then so refugees were refused, this went as you'd expect as they are cornered men with nowhere to go so things go hostile
we have refugee rights not cuz humans are nice, it's cuz we discovered that people without a home are dangerous
ERE were the ones who sent the Goths to Italy in the first place, moron, look up Alaric's colorful biography. Though half the blame for that is still on Stilicho for playing games with moronic prizes his whole career.
For anyone wondering why historical TW is not really what CA prefers to make anymore, it's because of this, the political landscape makes depicting history through wars and conquest so tricky, instead of just making Ogres fight Dwarves or whatever WH does. No one would care about the politics of made up nations and races except DnD nerds.
IF Empire was released today, Twitter would seethe so bad painting CA as a racist game dev. Americans think accepting degeneracy through LGBTQIA++xD and worshipping criminals like Jordan Belfort or Walter White, BLM criminality is some sort of socio political progress when in fact, this has happened before over and over again with past empires. Destroying the institutions that made them strong in the first place will be their downfall.
I think the problem lies in absolutism, the world is filled with nuance but simplify it depending on the agenda. Them being refugees doesnt ultimately mean they aren't foreign invaders. They could be both. Colonialism isnt ultimately evil, it's human progress to explore and civilize the savages. Colonialism is a lot like modern day technological progress, we only see the good right now but the bad effects will happen much later when it's too late to go back.
Well, recent. EU4 was released like 10 years ago. And as eurocentric as older games where they still betrayed the designer sensibilities. Like how on viky2 women's suffrage makes the votes more socialist when they really weren't at the time and association between women's rights and left is a more recent thing. Or the fact that it has very progressive view of history where the way mil and con are designed make the march towards social democracy inevitable and movements can never be supressed and the repression points are useless.
>a game called EUROPA Universalis is too eurocentric
1 year ago
Anonymous
he's right
he means the game rules are set in a way that europe always dominates automatically, which makes it boring
i wish there was a way to disable that, instead of trade always magically ending in venice (which completely removes all the effort venice put into getting a hold of that much money) or institutes always spawning in europe (removing all the aspects that lead to those happening in europe in the first place)
it always defaults to european countries getting free stuff and the rest burn
from a company called paradox interactive, where you can do anything in most of their games this is disappointing
1 year ago
Anonymous
Use the sandbox world creator and stop nagging about the p*radox euro historical game actually trying to represent some parts of history, you lost redditgay
1 year ago
Anonymous
>i play paradox games for the historical accuracy
have a nice day, at the very least show the goddamn things that lead to europe being ahead in history rather than have it be forced through half assed mechanics
1 year ago
Anonymous
>i play paradox games for the historical accuracy
I don't even play EU4 anymore, but yes, Parashit games used to be about inserting you into a historical setting not about le meme institution concentration in Korea or whatever, zoomergay >at the very least show the goddamn things that lead to europe being ahead in history
That would be preferable indeed, but it is asking too much from sw*des
1 year ago
Anonymous
yeah, i'm glad we agree
the way it's done right now just magically puts europe ahead which completely deletes all the things europe went through to be ahead of everyone
True but pdx games are spreadsheet map painting games with minimal animations. TW visualizes blood, violence, conquest and oppression. Making it a bit more controversial
Modern clown world is likely a part of it, but it doesn't explain why they can't even make a sanitized historical game like so many others. AoE 4 has historical campaigns that cover historic conquests, no one complains because it's sanitized. In fact vanilla Medieval II TW was extremely sanitized aside from the Americas campaign and crusade/jihad mechanics.
The real problem is that the modern TW audience has no interest in it. They would complain about lack of unit variety, boring setting, no MCU superhero units, etc.
If they released a sanitized historic game that had no controversial mechanics, but had real modding support, it would be a success. Modders would make it "realistic" like they did with M2TW and people would play it despite the vanilla game being lackluster.
So... today we had this presentation and no thread dedicated to it. Is the game DoA? It look like another experimental game like Troy, an historical game based on Warhammer full of interesting concepts the avoid to try elsewhere, but with the same core of the previous games and no appeal like a main title should have
The setting have a lot of potential to be a mainline game but I don't understand CA plans and marketing anymore. With their actual logic, not only FotS, but base Shogun should be a saga game. Rome is called just Rome, but is a main game, so Pharaoh even with a limited context could be a main game about Bronze age too, considering the presence of the Hittite and Caananite. Also, I still don't understand 3K, it went and gone, it had big feels as a mainline game, but had limited scope, sold very well but was dropped and never truly expanded. What are they doing? What are the problems? There are a lot of secondary teams that work on DoA secondary projects that are just a mixmash of existing games but with new assets, but what's the point? Where is the main team? The main titles are going to even exist anymore? They just work randomly at this point, probably influenced by the board of investors that want a new game relased nearly every year. But just look at Troy, a game full of interesting shit, relased for free in EGS, with a Mythical expansion relased an year later when it relased also on steam only to die again. This is the definition of randomness. It's like no historical game was relased since Attila, and even at the time was difficult to undestand CA choiches. Now it's worst. Game soul apart, there is significant RoI with this shit?
>Also, I still don't understand 3K, it went and gone, it had big feels as a mainline game, but had limited scope, sold very well but was dropped and never truly expanded. What are they doing? What are the problems?
Don't really understand either. I know everyone always says the poor reception of DLC killed 3K, but people were very open about what kind of DLC they'd want to see. Just make the DLC people are asking for, plenty of people liked the game and still praise it for having good campaign mechanics. But you shelve it and say you're just going to make a sequel eventually?? Why? Their decisions feel kind of schizophrenic, like nobody is actually in control at CA.
>Their decisions feel kind of schizophrenic,
it's corpo homosexuals who don't even like video games trying to nickle and diming (You) and trying to gaslight by claiming it's a good thing
>Their decisions feel kind of schizophrenic,
it's corpo homosexuals who don't even like video games trying to nickle and diming (You) and trying to gaslight by claiming it's a good thing
I think CA had the idea that they are going to milk the game with low effort "chapter packs" but they vastly overestimated the willingness of the market to pay for start dates. They seemed really committed to the idea even though they had poor reception probably because some corpo gay decided they would have better margins than making real expansions people were asking for. Of which they made one, furious wild. I still liked it but the stone age elephant riding tribes are honestly kinda silly and the campaign mechanics janky and it doesn't really interact with the main 3 kingdoms suff. The thing that people really wanted was the northern expansion, which was sort of unofficially confirmed by the devs was going to be next thing but than fates divided, dlc that does literally nothing, happened and the whole game was canned.
The patch accompanying fates did rework Cao Cao and Yuan Shao mechanics but the thing is they worked the same in the grand campaign start so it was really pointless. Of the other ones 8 Princes made some advancements in campaign but it failed to build upon the setting, even people who care about ROTK don't know who those people are and it's considered an embarrassment in china. Mandate of Heaven had the empire vs yellow turban thing, but it was a short and kinda lame campaign. The only good one is World Betrayed because you get to start as Lu Bu and Sun Ce with their own campaign mechanics and this is refected in having more reviews and being the only one with positive ones.
This is probably going to inform how the sequel is monetised. I suspect there's going to be way fewer playable characters at start and they are going to sell them to you piecemeal at $15 a pop.
>Their decisions feel kind of schizophrenic,
it's corpo homosexuals who don't even like video games trying to nickle and diming (You) and trying to gaslight by claiming it's a good thing
[...]
I think CA had the idea that they are going to milk the game with low effort "chapter packs" but they vastly overestimated the willingness of the market to pay for start dates. They seemed really committed to the idea even though they had poor reception probably because some corpo gay decided they would have better margins than making real expansions people were asking for. Of which they made one, furious wild. I still liked it but the stone age elephant riding tribes are honestly kinda silly and the campaign mechanics janky and it doesn't really interact with the main 3 kingdoms suff. The thing that people really wanted was the northern expansion, which was sort of unofficially confirmed by the devs was going to be next thing but than fates divided, dlc that does literally nothing, happened and the whole game was canned.
The patch accompanying fates did rework Cao Cao and Yuan Shao mechanics but the thing is they worked the same in the grand campaign start so it was really pointless. Of the other ones 8 Princes made some advancements in campaign but it failed to build upon the setting, even people who care about ROTK don't know who those people are and it's considered an embarrassment in china. Mandate of Heaven had the empire vs yellow turban thing, but it was a short and kinda lame campaign. The only good one is World Betrayed because you get to start as Lu Bu and Sun Ce with their own campaign mechanics and this is refected in having more reviews and being the only one with positive ones.
This is probably going to inform how the sequel is monetised. I suspect there's going to be way fewer playable characters at start and they are going to sell them to you piecemeal at $15 a pop.
cont
The announcement was really weird. I mean support had to end eventually, but couldn't they have still made the northern expansion so it doesn't end on a whimper? I'm sure it would have gone over way better if they did. And why would you go out of your way to make an announcement out of it instead of just doing it quietly. You are just drawing attention to something bad and for what, so you can announce that maybe someday in the future they will make a sequel and try to spin it as a good thing? If they already had at least a teaser or something and a timeline that's ot's going to take say 2 years it would be more understandable but they were just empty promises.
What's with all those homosexuals going >saga, saga, saga
Did warhammer fry your brain so now unless it has 3 games and a decade of DLC worth of rosters it doesn't count as a full game anymore?
Has more content than any wh game at release though. >D team
At this point they are the A team considering we will finally have sieges and matched combat in the game.
The setting and the way that the Bronze Age Collapse will be implemented reminds me of Attilla but with maybe smaller starting factions. It could be interesting. I just really hope they do this period justice.
Its still more varied and about as large as Japan. If Shogun 2 can work, then so can other smaller scale TW's. It's just a matter of weather or not they can do it right.
rome collapsed cuz it built an economy on conquest and looting, then ran out of targets to pillage and loot and kept spending on a military that wasn't needed so they couldn't fund it when they needed it the most
Needs to have wizards and magic schools of each of the different Egyptian gods really flesh it out you could have a school of magic and wizards for every pagan God for each city state and really just Warhammer fantasy that s*** would be cool and also funny the memes would be glorious
>how dare they use assets they already made for a game in the same time period
when will these morons stop pretending to like these games when they clearly don't?
I'm almost impressed. There are people played one game from the series twenty years ago and still feel compelled to seethe about every other one. rather than accept it was a fluke and they are blinded by nostalgia anyway.
this is unironically a good thing minus the time constraints >make a game from scratch with an inflated budget and too many staff with too many unrealistic expectations >game sucks >make a game using old assets where you can and re-tooling them into a more refined experience with small but dedicated team >game rocks
It does look good I do like that time here hopefully they do a good job of refreshing at the map of all those cool culture groups. I got spoiled by all those mythical fantasy factions and variety so I like medieval too so much you got a good mix of variety of a huge scope of different technology over different time period you just once you have a taste of it it's hard to go back to bland rosters. Hopefully they have a good amount of variety
i wish, but you homosexuals will still make enough noise for CA to create more historical titles despite the fact historyBlack folk can never ever be satisfied with anything
We already know, this was leaked days ago and the thread got deleted for some reason
that cancerous pooposter derailed it and spammed like 50 posts is why.
Total War: Kangz
Frick it's going to be chock full of Black folk isnt it?
am excited for it
I hope its end of fantasy shit and hero shit, and we get back to pure historicals
Give me proper bronze age game
its never happening, fantasy and total war have been a perfect mix since forever
i just hope it's not a saga
The fantasy stuff totally sucks. But What I hate even more is the art style they switched to for Troy/Three Kingdoms. Mobile game.
The mobile gamification started in Rome 2 when you could no longer move single units
>Rome 2 when you could no longer move single units
????
Maybe you are moronic instead
Now That's What I Call Reddit Spacing: Volume Twenty-wew
Oh wow, it's moronic
this is a moronic post as the single unit thing did nothing but break the AI and add tedium
Found the mobile gamers
Ok moron
what the frick does that even mean
>The fantasy stuff totally sucks. But What I hate even more is the art style they switched to for Troy/Three Kingdoms.
It's the WH engine, what do you expect?
Why do you think you know what an engine is?
It's never happening because Hero Generals work best under the post-Rome 2 system. I want to get back to Medieval 2 style generals with lots of stats for fun RP, but it'll never happen. CA sold out a decade ago.
>Choose your "leader"
;_;
Looks more like a cutscene then gameplay. I guess we can wait for reviews before pirating.
I don't think they would show off generals duking it out unless they were planning on making duels a major part of the game.
One of the preorder bonuses is unique armour sets which also implies it's going to be more hero units, unfortunately.
That is sad. Hopefully its just a unit reskin or something. I really want a new historical TW and I do love this time period. It's very underrepresented.
Bodyguard units are also mentioned
3K had bodyguards in records mode. It was still a game designed entirely for the goof Romance of the Dynasty Warriors, because CA doesn't know how to make games any more
its gonna be like the troy myth behind the legend thing
you get your history homosexualry and fantasy homosexuals get their fantasy homosexualry
Cant wait to be spammed with aids plague of locusts/frogs/sudanese events that replace the squalor spam of Rome and Medieval (no I didnt exterminate populus becuase I wanted to play the game on hard mode)
oh man i remember the days in rome 1 where the settlements made no fricking sense
>squalor is reduced by health
>build health building
>it increases growth which increases squalor
and the distance to capital thing was just so fricking stupid, it was clear you weren't meant to capture everything but there was no raze settlement option
>culture penalty
>the settlement is tier 5 so i cant demolish its capital
>squalor is reduced by health
>build health building
>it increases growth which increases squalor
Sounds like it works exactly as intended, with health building allowing larger settlements/more stable settlements at the same size?
fantasissies?
your answer?
wow im shocked. hopefully the battles themselves are good though. not being fantasy is only the first step. the game itself needs to play well.
it's ogre
God the modern TW GUI is so bad.
Look how big everything is and how much wasted flavor GUI is present, the top balance of power bar is takes up valuable real-estate.
Funny, they made the ui smaller in Rome Remastered and people b***hed about it
The UI is the most autistic thing to whine about. Nobody will ever agree, some people love the R2 UI other people say it's the worst part of the game. Some people want just the info they need, other people want culture specific art and history lessons for every button and window.
Okay but the warhammer 3 ui is fricking ugly
UI has been shit since Rome 2.
Napoleon was the best
who cares
creative assembly hasn't made a decent game since empire
its going to be a shitty warscape game with epic skill shot abilities and armies devolving into blobs on contact and every nation starting as an opm #18
>empire
>decent
delusional
Can’t wait to control sphinx units and mummy archers!!!
I hope the Greeks get demi gods!!! Omg I’m so excited. Pharos will get magic I’m guessing while Greek hero’s will be melee tanks
yes
cry about it
I do like that idea. Bronze age middle east is very interesting to me. I just hope its historical.
WALOLO WALOLO AIHHOOHO
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Can't wait for kangz
WERE
MONARCHS
>bronze age warfare
Awesome setting, too bad it's nu-TW so it's going to be shit.
I liked Troy.
good cos you're getting it again
So who do you think you can play as?
egypt
ooga booga where da bronze age women at
Back to the ocean with you
you know this is going to be the final boss mechanic like Attila and Realm Divide
More like Chaos Invasion
Chaos Corruption renamed to destruction or something
I can see them being an endgame boss like the Mongols in Medieval
Hittites are an obvious one.
Maybe Kush?
Would Babylon or Neo Babylon be around at that time? If so, them.
Atlantean-Hyperboreans as a hidden faction that you have to discover to unlock, a la America in Medieval 2
Unfathomably based they also get Atlantis tech. And you can take Atlantis take and dab on the natives for the lul
All known sea people, steppe warriors sweeping in, Babylon, Media, Hebrews, Phoenicians.
Egypt, Nubia, Lybians, Hittites, Ugarit, Alyshia, Mitanni, Assyria, Arzawa, Lukka, Babylon, Elam, Mycenae, Knossos
You get Egypt, Canaanites, and Hittites.That's it, have fun.
Berber Libyans I fricking hope. Though judging from the official website it looks like it'll be DLC which is fricking gay.
Egyptians, Hittites and Canaanites are confirmed thus far. I doubt we get much more for release.
>The Egyptians have the Ramesses, Seti, Tausret and Amenmesse to choose from, while the Canaanites have the Bay and Irsu factions, and the Hittites the Kurunta and Suppiluliuma factions.
Pontus
>ITT : historgays seething
total war pharoah will be great, eat shit
No, but
Total War: Conan
would have been kino
A Conan grand strategy/4x game would be cool, but Total War is shit so no
Not only will the Egyptians be black, but CA will make it extremely difficult to mod in historically accurate Egyptians. Screenshot this.
More black women in Total War?
hahahaha how terrible
Which ones are the women?
>huge breasts
>slender faces
>makeup
>long hair
and this is why no one takes you homosexuals seriously
still not seeing it
>Anon doesn't know what a woman looks like
checks out
Real Black folk are uglier
That's a man
I'm really surprised they modeled bazongas that huge on them.
Why is Ainsley there?
wow that is the most detailed looking total war unit ive seen
is this sustainable on the scale the game runs at?
They really oiled up the optimization for this one.
that's a good joke
>Total War 2189478602416021305: Whatever
I wonder how the sea peoples will play. Think it might be neat if they're like proto-romans.
They weren't proto-Romans. In fact, there is a 0% chance the Sea People were in any way related to Romans because the Ancient Romans were infamously bad at naval warfare up until they found a way to turn it into land warfare with a new kind of boarding ramp.
Sea Peoples were likely either Phoenician or Illyrian.
Was talking about their unit roster and playstyle not their historical roots. If most of the other empires like Egypt and the Hittites focus more on chariots, spearmen and archers the sea peoples might have a core unit roster with shock infantry that throw javelins on the charge and a heavier focus on fast javelins rather than archers.
Heavy infantry wasn't a thing in the Bronze age. This is why chariots worked to begin with, they broke up light infantry and archery screens.
What about these lads?
hoplites you fricking moron, heavy infantry were the primary fighting force throughout the entire civilized world
Hoplites never existed. Get with the times.
And even the conventional idea of the "hoplite" in both appearance and fighting form is several centuries in the future when this game takes place if it's right before the bronze age collapse like people are hoping.
It's just like the morons who played Attila and went, "WHERE LORICA SEGMENTATA ROMANS!!!1!" when at that point, the lorica segmentata (which was seemingly never the most common type of armor for Roman soldiers) had largely fallen out of favor during the crisis of the third century.
In the bronze age, heavy armor was mostly a luxury for the nobility to wear on their chariots (different regions had different fighting styles/methods/strategies of course), while most infantry were light spearmen at best who mostly just existed to let the chariots do their thing without the enemy chasing them. At best, the common soldier might have a bronze/copper helmet and/or a disk/square of bronze/copper to protect their chest, depending on the region and century.
I fully expect this to be saga trash. My guess is that it will be more Troy-tier Total War, where they try to appease both the Warhammer mongrels (superpowers and hero units) and the few historygays that are still holding on for a non-shit historical game (an option for bodyguard units instead of the god general running around on their own).
The customization thing seems interesting, but I bet the battles are still going to be eh. Battles on the Warscape engine have looked like shit whether they have linked animations (Empire, Napoleon, Shogun 2) or if they vaguely stab in the direction of someone (Rome 2, Attila, Warhammer, Thrones of Britannia, Three Kingdoms, etc.) Somehow the jank system of Medieval 2 looks better in terms of shit actually connecting, even if all the units in that game move like they're walking through a four-foot-deep pool of molasses.
It's very CA to have preorders when they haven't even revealed all that much about the game outside of some screenshots and gifs.
cont.
Then again, they're charging 60 FRICKING DOLLARS for the base game when they usually did 40 for Saga titles. Unless they got more greedy (if that's even possible at this point), then it might not be Saga shovelware (but it probably will; let's be real)
It's 100% Saga shovelware. I doubt this is even the "Historical" title that they were whispering about, this looks and feels like a way to salvage Troy by modding it in the same way they modded Rome 2 into Attila.
I swear I've never seen a company with worse business sense than CA.
>Rome 2 is on horizon, but it has some problems in Alpha and Beta, launch will be rough and everyone knows it.
>"Let's rent out the set of HBO Rome and have a party on launch day while everyone is complaining"
>our historical fans are rioting and demanding Medieval 3, what do we do?
>Release it as the Charlamange expansion for Attila, give it zero budget, tell everyone to shut up and be happy
>Alien Isolation is a surprise hit and everyone is clamoring for a sequel
>the team behind it is immediately broken up and everyone leaves for other companies
>We need a new History title, one which we can use to prove our hardcore historical fanbase is still financially viable. Now which era to pick...
>"Hey guys! I saw this Vikings show on the History Channel! Let's do that!"
>instant flop because there is nothing particularly interesting about a game with that small a scale and that dull a unit variety
>our historical fans are rioting again! What should we do?
>Maybe bronze age total war? Mythology total war?
>"I have a better idea! Let's make it neither bronze age total war NOR mythology total war! Nobody wins!"
>Hey, let's do a really good multiplayer only total war game...
>AND RELEASE IT ONLY IN CHINA
They hate money. There is no other explanation.
>>Hey, let's do a really good multiplayer only total war game...
>>AND RELEASE IT ONLY IN CHINA
Total War: Arena was available worldwide for a long time before it was canceled and sold to China. The real problem is they should have gone all in on Shogun vs. Medieval vs. Rome from the start, there was no reason for it to be Rome only.
they betrayed us with total war arena, they only released it in china
>they betrayed us with total war arena, they only released it in china
Are you drunk?
Tw arena was in steam first, then in wargaming.
Don't forget them appealing to the Warhammer fanbase with Total War Warhammer even making them blindly eat the fricking predatory idea of needing to own all three games for the complete Warhammer experience and then abandoning them when Warhammer 3 launched and was a disaster.
It's a vicious cycle
mental illness
He's right though
They know history fans have been foaming at the mouth for a historical total war after like 54 warhammer games.
And all we really wanted was a medieval 3 🙁
>we
Nah we wanted Pike & Shot, but bronze age is still alright.
They should use the actual historical timeline with the Atlantis high tech civs f****** with the natives and giving them take obviously the covered up one
>hoplites
thats iron age
>hoplites you fricking moron, heavy infantry
...existed in the classical antiquity, which is about 1000 years after the bronze age ended.
you might as well b***h that Attila doesn't have musketeers in it
Hoplites came to be much earlier than that. Probably only 300 years after the bronze age collapse. But that's a dark zone of unrecorded history so it's actually likely hoplites came to be during the collapse.
Ancient people from Sicily and Sardinia are usually considered
the sea peoples were related to sicilians, southern italians and greeks
EEF rich + steppe admixture
nomadic faction with boats
This would be cool if oceans in video games weren't just negative space with nothing going on in them. I mean, for frick's sake, CA probably won't even have naval combat ever again because their stupid "all stacks must have a general/admiral" resulted in the AI being given infinite heavy ships that you have to sink over and over again just because they must always have an admiral in their fleet.
What a shitty period to make a game out of.
There will be only 5 interesting countries to play (Egypt, Hittites, Mycenaeans, Assyrians and Babylonians) and the rest will be small shitty tribes. How will you have a game with replay value with only 5 factions?
this is why i think it will be a saga like title, not a true mainline historical game. the setting is just far too limited. shogun only worked because its a sequel to an original and everyone loves japan.
If they could make a bunch of diverse factions for Troy then I don't see why it would be difficult to do it for the same era with an even broader scope. Bronze Age peoples had distinctive national costumes and there were a shitload of lesser known nations and tribes they can take creative liberties with. The only problem is giving each army a distinct fighting style when heavy infantry and cavalry weren't very widespread.
>If they could make a bunch of diverse factions for Troy
But they didn't
Shogun could've been much more diverse and could've many more playable and actually relevant major factions (like Imagawa, Ashina, Ryuzoji, Arima, Ichijo, Kitabatake, Azai, Nanbu, Mogami, Miyoshi, Rokkaku, Asakura, Souma, Saito, Hatakeyama) if CA wasn't a bunch of morons. Ikko-Ikki could've been actually unique too, because right now they play like any other samurai clan despite being, you know, fundamentally anti-samurai.
>this is why i think it will be a saga like title, not a true mainline historical game.
it has been confirmed that the devs behind it are the bulgarian devs, so yes, it's a minor game with low budget
I do not love japan
Yeah, but nobody cares about you.
>shogun only worked because its a sequel to an original and everyone loves japan.
I hate shogun explicitly because I hate Japan and how shitty and limited setting it is
I'm actually wondering if it's going to be early iron age rather than bronze age if you set it about the XXVI dynasty you still get ancient Egyptians as we'd recognise them. But also are able to put Assyrians, Babylonians, Medians, Persians, Lydians a shit load of Greek factions into the game
It could be early Iron Age, but it's important to remember that "Bronze Age" wasn't ironless; and really it was more the collapse of trade routes that led to iron supplanting bronze.
There will likely be semi-fictional tribes like what happened with there being "Spain" in Rome 1. So you will get Caananites and Nubian kangs to play as for added variety.
It's funny to see Empire now being retconned as the last "good" one considering how much hate it gets from the boomer fanbase that sees Medieval II as the last good one. IMO, both Empire and Napoleon were alright, though having said that I wasn't around for Empire's launch so I don't know if it was like Rome 2 where it launched poorly and needed a decade of patches to get good.
Empire was a broken game but I count it as the last good game because it actually tried to innovate and expand on politics. Napoleon is dogshit because after Empire's bad launch, they gave up on their ambitious to make the series more than it is, and drastically reduced it in scope while focusing only on warfare. Anyone who calls Napoleon a good game is a homosexual directly responsible for the current soulless arcade bullshit state of the game series.
I don't get why they did a greek game and now an egypt game instead to do a coral bronze age title
Is this real? I've been saying they should make a Bronze Age Total War game since Shogun 2
haha sweet
>more shitty nu-total war slop
who even cares at this point CA is creatively bankrupt
Normally I would expect to hear about this and begin mocking whatever visuals they use at E3, but I remembered E3 wa cancelled. So what's repalcing E3 this year as the place all the devs reveal their latest cash-grabs?
Dorito pope's online conclave
In one way I'm glad that they are making another historical total-war game, but on the other I wonder why they stubbornly choose time-periods that are so fricking ancient that they might as well be fantasy games, what with all the guess-work they'll have to do
https://twitter.com/totalwar/status/1660967985383702530?s=20&fbclid=IwAR0dNiJ0A9Wm815Snv93pH9R6eqdoZ4Ry6WccKY8vm4OUX8OiQZnQjKnc_w
I'm so sick of being right
It’s definitely idealized, but by and large it seems to be an accurate depiction of an Egyptians overall look/skin tone. We know they varied from pretty fair (Ramses the Great was a ginger for example) to a tan olive color typical of the Eastern Mediterranean (similar to Phoenician, Canaanite, etc.), which is what this adaptation seems to be going for. What the Egyptians definitely were not, in any era, was super Northern European White or super Sub-Saharan African Black. Foreign rulers from places closer to these regions were, but not the native Egyptians.
Game looks based too, looking forward to it
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>those big old rubberlips
The scene right before this where he picks up the bug. Yep
Delirious
Well, is anyone gonna preorder?
I can't wait to cast spells on giant Egyptian snakes as Moses!
We were kings, indeed!
oof
That's meant to be Ramesses III, what's the problem?
Clearly that's a germano-norse aryan
DNA
They live in dessert and probably tanned
>old paint looks like it did back then
moron
Mmm ok chudley then how come the whites of his eyes and his clothing didnt become darker too?
White usually gets yellow/browner depending on maintainence, enviroment, and what the material/pigments were made from.
It usually gets greyer, the Egyptians always depicted themselves with a copperish/brownish skin tone anyways, with the Libyans (Berbers) and Canaanites (Levantine Semites) being depicted as more pale.
> with the Libyans (Berbers)
that's just one depiction of some people that lived in eastern lybia and had probably nothing to do with berbers(we don't know anything about their language or customs)
stop spreading this berberist nonsense
bebrers/nw africans are super brown and very african admixed
>we wuz moors
frick off amerimutt
i'm not american and i never said that they are black, but yes berbers are dark skinned and african admixed (they're around 1/4 black), your battle against black people won't change the fact that moroccans, algerians and tunisians are some of the brownest people in the mena and are not white
WE
lol the We Wuz's are still going to complain because he doesn't look like a pygmy, Congolese, or someone from inner-city Detroit.
Shit who is this whitey? Dis ain't be one of my Egyptian brothas, this chalkie looking mfer belongs at a KKK convention naw im saying??? Calling the NAACP over this racist crap
to be honest, that's what most people who live in this region look like.
no they dont
anon look up Egyptian actors and actresses.
NONE of them look like the guy in the trailer
>actors and actresses
moron
ok thanks for confirming you are mentally ill AND low iq
you moronic poltard frick off
Natural nobility (anyone relevant in antiquity)
i mean the guys moronic if you look at Egyptian actors they aren't what you call a good looking bunch, there a mix. Even the swarthy ones look nothing like the guy in the trailer.
The guy in the trailer looks american and a modern mixed person
The guy in Dr. Zchivago was very attractive.
He doesn't look as pale as Rami Malek, but Ramses III would have also spent a lot more time in the sun than him. There is nothing wrong with his skin tone.
egyptian actors and actresses are especially selected to be as white as possible
that region has an obsession with whiteness
>le ebil whiteness
frick off you racist
thank you for defending the white race ranjesh
People pretty much everywhere thought lighter skin was more attractive and it was associated with nobility because it meant you didn't have to work outside under the sun. It briefly flipped around in the west when people worked indoors and tanning showed you can afford vacations, but it seems to have somewhat fallen out of favour again, especially with more awareness of skin cancer and how it ages skin. There's probably also an element asiatic influence with Kpop and shit being popular nowadays and the pale skin beauty standard being very much alive there.
yeah, but my point still stands on why they try so hard to select white actors
In the bronze age nobles and elites were often pretty hands-on with their lands and cattle and so forth. Homer mentions that the princes of Troy tended the herds, even if you discount Paris.
the fact you focus on skin just outs you as a black racist,
If you look up Egyptian actors as anon said they are a mixed bag, you get swarthy brown ones too.
If they are "selecting" them they are doing a bad job, a lot of them arent conventionally attractive so they must be well known for their acting
He had haplogroup E-M2, he was an actual wewuz pharaoh
None of the people in this look sub Saharan. The marketing of this game is clearly depicting a jungle Black
yeah its clear who ever created it just looked up Egyptian and based it on pics of Black folks we wuzzing.
Instead of looking up Egyptian actor, which gives a better idea of what people from the region look like.
And the guy doesn't look sub saharan either.
There's been a lot of genetic change since. Probably a lot of peasants and slaves looked like that though.
I see this is going to be another fantasy title.
>PRE-ORDER NOW
I don't think i will.
All the total war games for a good while have been denuvo so getting cracks has been unreliable at best. By now only one deranged troony does it for money (kinda missing the point) and there's a backlog of uncracked games. Best you can do is pirate the DLC.
Black Upper Egyptians didn't look like that. They looked somewhere between Modern Egyptians and Sudanese.
kangz n sheet
Last proof that CA is dead. They are going to remix the dung heap that was Troy into some we wuz shit in a settings nobody wanted.
>record profits
>dead
dilate
All profits go towards their new shooter
Guess i'm re installing stainless steel again then...
frick sake man why can't CA just make another medieval/shogun game?
>On steam page you can see single entity generals fighting each other like in Troy
Dropped. Wished for a medieval 3 or medieval 2 remaster.
Post pic
I won't buy this if it has magic of any kind
What about black girl magic?
Lawdy you knows I believe in black queen magic
I was really hoping for an Empire/Victorian Total War, I still play Fots from time to time.
Not really into the bronze age period, even more so when they did Troy not that long ago which flopped. Is there really enough content there for a main title série?
What the frick is with some threads here man? Why is it filled to the brim with trannies, gays and buzzword saying posters?
Most trannies are autistic. Autists love strategy games. This is the strategy game board. We are behind enemy lines, friend.
Time for all you Bronze Age shills to put up or shut up. I already know you gays are going to find something else to complain about
I wish they would make a WWII or like 1860 to 1945 game but these games have veered hard towards worthless flashy nonsense and away from complex nuanced strategy.
Given how powerful computers are getting, I would have thought some kind of persistent map WW1 game would be possible. Where you zoom out - build your cities, move your armies, etc. But then you zoom in and you can control troops in the trenches across the entire front.
That would be excellent and would be perfectly possible I'm sure if game companies would actually optimize shit.
No that would be a technical marvel
I doubt it
might just let go of my prejudices but its hard to forgive ca for what they've done to memnon after stellar portrayal of mycenaean heroes
>sbrown pearmanii vs brown spearmanii
so exciting
I know it’s crazy to expect naval combat especially since they haven’t even shown boats in any of the material. But since they are saying terrain is going to influence battles hopefully we will get some amphibious attacks/sieges from the sea people
It would be fun if they involved say, the Nile into navel combat. I'm not sure how prevalent that was to the era though.
It Attila 2.
The game looks apocalyptic has hell, for sure there will be bronze age collapse.
>history shit
Literally no one wants this. How is CA so oblivious about their own userbase?
The frick are you from?
>history shit
its not a history title more myth meet the legend bullshit ala troy
>Fantasy mixed up with Mythology (Please Warhammer Fans buy our game)
>DLC 1
>DLC 2
>DLC 3
>DLC 4
>DLC 5
If you even consider buying this fricking have a nice day.
i will buy two :^)
I’m not preordering, but I liked 3K enough and they are keeping the resource mechanics from Troy as optional, I’ll wait to see what other mechanics they are going to have. But $60 seems like a lot off the bat
>fantasy
It's not fantasy. No magic, no monsters and general body guards are confirmed.
Wait not fantasy?
Will there even be unit diversity then?
Everyone is probably going to be:
>guy with sword
>guy with spear
>guy on a horse
>guy on a chariot
>guy on a chariot with a bow
Yes that's what total war were like before warhammer.
Fantards be like
>Why can’t I use Lore of the Pyramid to summon a giant scarab beetle???
Let me guess, you need more?
Problem sea people?
Nice!
Yes, that is how history works. There were TW's before Warhammer. If feudal Japan can work, so can Bronze Age.
Its a less explored era with different cultures/kingdoms/empires and on an older technological level, plus a potentially fun zoomed in view of Egypt and the Middle East.
>before Warhammer
Shit went wrong in Rome II, a 'historical game' with a vast number of identical units with different unit models and different stats. The stats meant one unit would beat another, but were otherwise meaningless at deciding how the unit should actually be used beyond 'square peg in square hole'. Total War is now a series designed for morons, people so stupid they unquestioningly copy the buzzwords that CA's marketing gives them
r2 was far more historically accurate than older games like mediaval 2 you Black person
What makes you think I care? The gameplay is shit and that's all that matters. Total morons have buried their heads in the sand for over a decade now, shadow-boxing each other by talking about anything but how shit the game design is. Every game had problems, but everything that is currently wrong with TW started with Rome II, a game where CA failed three times to make the testudo formation work and then gave up. They could have just copied what Rome 1 did, but that would have been admitting Rome II was made of nothing but shit ideas.
>everything that is currently wrong with TW started with Rome II
Empire mortally wounded TW. Rome 2 brutally murdered it.
Rome2 had really bloated roster. Things like auxiliary units I suppose added some flavour but where just completely interchangeable swordsmanii maybe having 1 point of attack more but 1 less defence. Attila tried to fix it a bit with clearly superior units just replacing the weaker ones, but I never liked that either. I think the med2 recruitment system was still probably the best. Give some some limited options to recruit higher tier units so it's fun to play with and they actually feel special.
I feel like this game will just be Rome 2 but more streamlined or whatever they do with modern total war games. I've never bought a total war past Rome 2. I like Rome 2, but I feel like going back in time they are not going to exactly open up their options with ancient bronze age warfare. Warfare wasn't exactly more diverse the more you go back. Cavalry should be weaker. Infantry should be weaker. Chariots will be good, but archers should be weaker. I want a really good map with good features like trade and such, but I don't see how going back to an earlier period will make it any better than Rome 2.
They changed the map up with Troy and added resource specific trade that you needed to use to recruit certain units. Battles still play much like R2, maybe even looser since unit mass has been kind of fricked since the Warhammer games
>>no magic
lol
That's about campaign customization, homie
>reading comprehension
You're right, I fricked up.
>Natural disasters every turn
>Bronze Age Apocalypse mode
Now I just want to play a reverse city builder where I set up a civilization and then see how much crazy shit I can put them through before they fall
>natural disaster
the BAC was a bunch of commie palace economies getting btfo by the aryans
That's my idea for a Fallout city builder
>build city
>launch nukes
>watch how society breaks down
>can toy with natural disasters
>and blame it on god
Already pre-ordered
Yet another Fantasy reskin game
What is the point of making an egypt themed total war game?
If it's purely historical, why would I play this instead of Rome?
If it's a fantasy game, why would I play this instead of Warhammer?
Mostly because Rome is dogshit compared to modern historical titles.
Fair enough.
Better question then, why make Egypt instead of Rome 3? How could that possibly be more interesting?
Ugh, I just want Medieval 3/Renaissance/Early Modern Europe...
It would be cool if there were stone age units.
The Late Bronze Age period is a great time to play. The game could have Egyptians, Hittites, Mitannis, Assyrians, Babylonians, Mycenaeans, Elamites, Kush and more. Going from Ethiopia, to the Middle East, Greece and part of Iran.
it's we wuz crap. Had my hopes up but the trailer is shit, literally
>Troy
>Pharao
They are just monitizing making assets for later "bigger" games by selling you piece meal games focused on small areas.
Based on the screenshots they've fricked up arrow paths again. Looks like another piece of CA Sofia shovelware
I preordered Dynasty edition
Yakub DLC when?
forgot the image
hol up
>set well before the muh Nubian dynasty period
>still make them american mulattos
they need to apologise to the Egyptian people
Historical Total War is dead. CA can't make real historical games anymore.
this, we wanted medieval 3
Speak for yourself. Bronze age is way more interesting than the middle age
We've been waiting for medieval three for ages .. getting advanced guns and just shooting peasants just feels right man plus the crusades was super Kino. Taking back the holy Land having my heavy calvery run down peasants... It just feels right man. Then there's elephants with the guns on the backs show up late game and just obliterate man I love that game
I think it would be hard for me tho think of a less interesting setting. Definately will be another troy-trash saga title. How can they be so stupid and ignore all the demands for a medieval 3 or atleast a 2 remaster? If you want the warhammer base make a arthurian legend or lyonesse dlc/mode or something. Considering the cleopatra backlash i doubt it will be well received or sell well. God i hate the modern industry
it's a saga title without saga in the title
it's made by the sofia team, that's why it looks like troy, they're even using troy assets for the shardana pre order bonus
>Cosmetic
excuse me what?
sorry sweetie, if you don't pre order the game the sea people from southern europe will look like egyptians and dress like egyptians
In the old days of CA this could have easily been a mod of Troy
Or even a submod, with Troy being a mod of Warhammer
I presume they killed modability in their games precisely so that modders would not compete with them
its just them getting some quick money by getting their D team to recolor troy assets
med 3 is still being worked on
>Considering the cleopatra backlash i doubt it will be well received or sell well
my headcanon is that they knew of netflix cleopatra (possibly insider info) and greenlit their bulgarian department to prepare the game and time its announcement with the show release for a potential marketing goldmine
but oh woops the show was universally hated LOL! at least it is developed by their bulgarian branch so the confidence must have been low from the very beginning
I wish I were an ignorant zoomer who thinks everything revolved around *CURRENT EVENT*. You probably weren't even around for the first time everyone spammed "WE WUZ" when they added Kush to Rome 2
>rome 2
holy frick we got an oldgay on board!
>Seti II
A son of King Merneptah and chosen heir to Egypt's throne, the crown prince's sole rule is immediately challenged in his first year. He had a firm grasp on Lower Egypt with Men-Nefer (Memphis) as his capital.
>Amenmesse
The challenger to the throne is the probable half-brother of Seti, usurping his rule over Upper Egypt, eventually securing Waset (Thebes).
>Tausret
The royal wife of Seti, although possibly also his half-sister and the sister of Amenmesse as well. Following the death of her husband she became queen-regent to the young King Siptah. It is said that the Trojan War occurred during her reign.
>Bay
Serving the Egyptian elite spheres for a long career despite his commoner origin, this Syrian-born scribe would become an invaluable asset to Seti during his reign. After the king's passing he played a crucial role in ensuring Siptah, the son of Amenmesse and a Canaanite concubine, took the throne with Tausret as regent. Such was his influence at this point that he was slated to become the first commoner to have a tomb in the Valley of Kings, and tradition suggests he seduced Tausret into giving him access to Egypt's treasury, but eventually his audacity was no longer tolerated and Bay was executed on the king's orders.
>Irsu
A Shasu chief who leads the Canaanite territories of Egypt. An alliance was formed with Tausret during her reign allowing his de facto rule in Canaanite territories, but his forces openly plundered and raided into Egypt proper following her death.
>Kurunta
This prince was granted rule over Tarḫuntašša, once briefly the empire's capital. But he, like his namesake god, is not content with mere fiefdom and has begun to call himself "Great King" in light of his successful conquests.
>Šuppiluliuma II
The final king of the Hittite New Kingdom who fought against Tarḫuntašša, Alashiya, and the Sea Peoples. Notable for leading the earliest recorded naval battle.
What about Moses?
In biblical terms this would actually be several centuries after Exodus and would be the war against the Philistines (who are widely accepted to be related in some capacity to the Sea Peoples) so it'd be more likely we'd see someone like Samson.
In historical terms, the proper Hebrew Kingdom shouldn't exist for anither century at least, forming in the post collapse dark age, so the Canaanite leaders are the closest analogue you'll probably get to a proto-jerusalem based faction
Luckily, according to archeologists the exodus never happened and the hebrews were de-facto caananites coming back to palestine from the babylonian exile. So in this game you will be raiding, subjugating and genociding the same people that would eventually form the kingdom of judah. Close enough for me.
Moses is a hero character like a Warhammer fantasy. Light wizard of the Abraham God. Have high prophets and schools of magic for each of the Egyptian gods and all the various pagan gods didn't have the Abraham one the Moses and just really high fantasy Warhammer that s*** for the lul. Also Judaic units get to the cross large bodies of water using the Moses character split ocean and other Abrahamic God mcguffins lol
BEHOLD! THE REAL SHIT!
FINALLY The sequel to Three Kingdoms!
Half of the games trailer focused on a bug rolling some shit. It's like the developers are trying to warn us
CA shills already out trying to convince everyone people wanted this game i see...
More half assed fantasy shit and the odds we will ever get a proper history title again is next to none.
Its Over
>For the tribe!
Is it strange to have a game that takes place in the Bronze Age and not have Mesopotamia in it, where is Assyria and Babylon? Here is an example of a map created by someone I found on another site for a theoretical game that would take place in this period.
source?
https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/comments/13q83l2/so_its_a_bit_late_now_and_i_was_wrong_anyway_but/
>no libya or mention of berbers
i'm sad now, i go to slep crying
it will be a fricking saga-tier game, since it is developed by their bulgarian department that did all previous sagas
>no rest of north africa
>they cut out iraq and most of persia too
who the frick made this garbage map? is the rest going to be DLC or some shit like total war warhammer where you have to link games?
some ledditor
oh thank frick, this is the gaygiest map ive ever seen
we dont know i guess
>they cut out iraq
Are you fricking blind
The first big expansion for Pharaoh will introduce an Immortal Empires like map that connects it with Troy.
That's the rumor for the Campaign DLC pack they already have on the season pass, but part of me says they would've led with that right out of the box rather than (so far) calling it a full historical title.
Well Troy was a 'historical' title until that DLC. Not crazy to think that they would link them
Troy was never a historical title. While there was a historic Troy, the Trojan War as described in the Illiad was pure fiction, and fiction for a literary purpose to illustrate the suffering and hardships of war and how to be a man of honor in such circumstances. The Illiad was never intended to be a historical document, and Total War Troy should not be considered to be such either.
I don't know if it was in this thread or some other, but I'll say it again: Troy was meant to be like Three Kingdoms. It's not historical, it's not fantasy, it's literary fiction.
All records from that time period are basically fictional outside of certain names and dates.
t. non-historian
post your phd
The Trojan War absolutely happened.
It absolutely did not happen as described in the Illiad. There was a historic Troy, but the conflict itself was 100% completely different.
>Never been to cyclops island
Let me guess you’re American
It may have, we can't prove it did not. But there's a big chance it did not. And it was certainly nothing like the poem.
There is likely some truths to Homer. A work of fiction doesn't mean it's not based on a historical event.
There is no "rumor" you moronic Black person, they were not gonna add a map 5 times as big as Greece as a DLC.
That might be cool actually.. I love ancient history and antiquity mix with high fantasy it just goes to what goes together so well.
Oh boy another edition of horse counters bow counters sword counters spear counters horse. How exciting!
>Antiquity
Hard fricking pass again. Jesus Christ, just set TW in some interesting era already. There wasn't a historical TW in a cool setting since fricking Napoleon. Thanks God for Warhammer at least, otherwise I would have forgotten about TW long time ago already.
>likes fantasy
>likes post-1800
mutt or angloid?
not him but there is nothing wrong with fantasy games
spoken like a mutt without history, I too would be bored jerking off about the civil or independence war again
why don't you go find your dilator?
Not american so I dont own one.
>likes post-1800
Nah, I simply hate antiquity
full gun warfare make boring total wars. Shogun 2 and Empire were good because there was still point in building dedicated melee units.
The last eurocentric period fitting the genre would be the 17th century with the emphasis on the 30 Years War.
what happen to total war three kingdoms 2?
coming out next year, probably
Man, I was kinda hoping for another Gunpowder era one. Empire but good, ya know?
Is this THE civil war?
Total war Warhammer fantasy civil war game gunpowder game but we just really stretch the limits of fantasy and have all civil war generals as op hero characters like in the Warhammer game. Lol and over embellish all the all the channels in that time. And make them hero characters Warhammer total war style. Prototype ironclads and weird s*** all kinds of weird stuff you could add. Then the New orlean vampire faction. Go all out. Abraham Lincoln vampire slayer style.
I'm hoping for a pike and shot era game with mechanics to match the type of warfare in that period, but proper historical bronze age is a close second. I just hope it wont be fantasy.
i hope it is fantasy
Yeah remake of empire would be amazing like a world map one and being able to wage war and you can fund the start the the tea company that air is super Keno a remake of the empire. And have the whole world map would be pretty Kino. Had obviously live out my power Prussian fantasies. Or just do a world domination campaign with the Cherokee for the lul really flesh out all
the different factions you got a lot of unit variety and bring back naval combat sincerely.
Are the Greeks playable or nah
pre-order DLC
>Use grand strategy to conquer and defend the rich lands of Egypt, Canaan and Anatolia
>https://pharaoh.totalwar.com/
I'd be surprised if you don't at least get Minoans in there. It'd be weird to exclude Crete from that map description but the mainlond sounds like its not included
Well they already have a season pass for 3 civs so a greeks will probably part of it. Other candidates include assyria, babylon and nubia.
I wanna play as the dear man.
Give me medieval 3 already
Bros I hope chariots are super powerful but really expensive
>keeping half the ready to play factions behind a pay wall
Why is this acceptable?
People pay for it
Bcs twwh happens.
Use the same way as for twwh: buy core game when on sale, use steam api for dlc.
Because right now Sega and every single other multimedia company is bleeding money. You either prove you can earn revenue, or you end up like Relic.
total war games are expensive to make to be fair
why are you so poor? you cant invest money in your one hobby? pathetic
Why invest money like a moron when api exists?
Ancient Egypt is one of my favorite settings.
WE WUZ WE WUZ
THE KANGZ OF A NATION
I love the bronze age so I hope they pack a lot of historical content in unit cards and building descriptions like Europa Barbarorum
?t=868
Seems like an improved version of Attila. Or rather what Attila was supposed to be like.
>no single entities, generals in retinues with bodyguards
>no assladders
>no magic - but saw generals have abilities of some kind
>matched combat
>weather
>stances e.g. advance or give ground
>much bigger battle maps than warhammer
>sea people, hittites, canaanites
>but sea people not playable (yet $$$)
is what i got from the vids i watched, cautiously optimistic for now
I don’t understand why people want to play the Sea People’s so much. They are just a generic boogeyman raider faction that would be 90% fictional units whose only mechanics would be “Destroy everything” and they aren’t going to add naval battles for literally 1 faction to use.
seeing the world burn as attila was fun
would be fun if it wasn't so moronic
>losing provinces as the roman empire is actually meta
>huns immortal faction until a specific year
>AI doesn't know how to recolonize destroyed settlements
>completely made up "climate change"
>losing provinces as the roman empire is actually meta
Isn't that historically accurate though? Part of the reason the Romans were doing so bad at that time is because they could not properly govern so many provinces.
no
they were doing so bad because they had no money (and couldn't ever catch a break to fix the finances), meaning they had to constantly devaluate their currency and rely on "allied" foederati for their army
losing provinces means you lose tax revenue, but the way atilla economy works it's hardly a problem
losing north africa for example was one of the most financially devastating blows to the WRE
They ditched Britannia even though it was relatively stable because it was not worth the trouble. See the famous letter exchange with Rome telling britons to go frick themselves.
>losing north africa for example was one of the most financially devastating blows to the WRE
Yeah, that's why you don't ditch North Africa when you do that strat. You sound like you don't even know what you're complaining about, just like most people on this board.
only one who certainly hasn't played it is you
pic related is absolutely nothing, 1000 income is like 3 cohorts and maybe 2 archer units
IRL the loss of africa was said to have deprived the empire of enough revenues to maintain 20k soldiers
"wowsers dood just like my history" with this piece of shit is only as strong as your ability to delude yourself
made up "climate change"
By that time entered a mini ice age and the empire was already depopulated by plagues coming from Chinkia or Pooland
lmaoing at pop history rejects trying to lecture anyone on anything
>climate change with time is pop history
what is this meme, do you even know what pop history is?
>hear somewhere that at some point in history there was a little ice age
>regurgitate it in completely unrelated time periods to defend your little videogames
>"wtf why do you accuse me of being some pop history brainlet?!?"
i don't like attilla total war, it's actually shit
but you are fricking moronic
Turned out it was a dry period, whatever, same results. Also
>climate change hoax
>let me show you this map which proves climate change is real
>I don't understand how averages work
God, I hate amerilard hours
Frick, wrong thread.
what DID he mean by this
>completely made up climate change
moron
I enjoyed it it was cathartic burning the world to the ground. Though I kind of like just playing byzantine and just dominating.
Vikings in MTW: Viking Invasion were great fun
>falling for CA's deliberate marketing
sad
I just want a 30 years war TW
don't buy this racist game
I agree that present day rapefugees are just raiders to understood that you don't need weapon anymore to take resources and women
The Huns were also refugees, though.
The odds that I will buy this game are now slightly higher than they were before.
I will play as Egypt just to kill all them mfs
wtf I love CA now
Egypt and Roman chuds were on the wrong side of history.
I see an artisan, a statue carver and an engineer.
He carve statues for sure
They were both refugees of collapse (probably due to catastrophic agricultural failures) AND the cause of further collapse as they migrated and pillaged to avoid starvation. Being a refugee doesn't magically prevent you from exacerbating a crisis (like modern syrian refugees in Jordan and Lebanon for example).
>Hittites, Assyrians & others let 'refugees' in
>Lost to the sands of time
>Egyptians mow down 'refugees'
>continue to exist, remembered as one of the great civilizations of history.
really activates ones almonds.
>continue to exist
>Hittites, Assyrians & others let 'refugees' in
>this is the level of historical knowledge of the average TotalWar fan
It's over.
you just now realizing it?
never forget about tutankhamun's sandals
there was no united nations or refugee rights back then so refugees were refused, this went as you'd expect as they are cornered men with nowhere to go so things go hostile
we have refugee rights not cuz humans are nice, it's cuz we discovered that people without a home are dangerous
This is the kind of moron that back in 300s Rome argumented that Goths should be allowed within imperial borders.
This is the kind of moron that would caused the fall of both roman empires centuries earlier due to having no foederati
The eastern emperor prefered the Goths over whatever the frick was happening in Italia, that should tell you enough.
ERE were the ones who sent the Goths to Italy in the first place, moron, look up Alaric's colorful biography. Though half the blame for that is still on Stilicho for playing games with moronic prizes his whole career.
read the post again, slowly
For anyone wondering why historical TW is not really what CA prefers to make anymore, it's because of this, the political landscape makes depicting history through wars and conquest so tricky, instead of just making Ogres fight Dwarves or whatever WH does. No one would care about the politics of made up nations and races except DnD nerds.
IF Empire was released today, Twitter would seethe so bad painting CA as a racist game dev. Americans think accepting degeneracy through LGBTQIA++xD and worshipping criminals like Jordan Belfort or Walter White, BLM criminality is some sort of socio political progress when in fact, this has happened before over and over again with past empires. Destroying the institutions that made them strong in the first place will be their downfall.
I think the problem lies in absolutism, the world is filled with nuance but simplify it depending on the agenda. Them being refugees doesnt ultimately mean they aren't foreign invaders. They could be both. Colonialism isnt ultimately evil, it's human progress to explore and civilize the savages. Colonialism is a lot like modern day technological progress, we only see the good right now but the bad effects will happen much later when it's too late to go back.
thats bs, pdx has no issues releasing historical game in any time period
And PDX has a tendency of both whitewashing history and inserting modern sensibilities into it to placate the libs.
There is one thing that is totally off limits forever though. No game's timeline will ever include 570 - 632.
>There is one thing that is totally off limits forever though. No game's timeline will ever include 570 - 632.
good
You could make a fun game out of it.
thats a recent thing tough, EU4 is extremely eurocentric to a point where its actualy detrimental to the game (trade system)
Wasn't Europe like, the most important continent until the US got big though?
>Wasn't Europe like, the most important continent until the US got big
Well, recent. EU4 was released like 10 years ago. And as eurocentric as older games where they still betrayed the designer sensibilities. Like how on viky2 women's suffrage makes the votes more socialist when they really weren't at the time and association between women's rights and left is a more recent thing. Or the fact that it has very progressive view of history where the way mil and con are designed make the march towards social democracy inevitable and movements can never be supressed and the repression points are useless.
>a game called EUROPA Universalis is too eurocentric
he's right
he means the game rules are set in a way that europe always dominates automatically, which makes it boring
i wish there was a way to disable that, instead of trade always magically ending in venice (which completely removes all the effort venice put into getting a hold of that much money) or institutes always spawning in europe (removing all the aspects that lead to those happening in europe in the first place)
it always defaults to european countries getting free stuff and the rest burn
from a company called paradox interactive, where you can do anything in most of their games this is disappointing
Use the sandbox world creator and stop nagging about the p*radox euro historical game actually trying to represent some parts of history, you lost redditgay
>i play paradox games for the historical accuracy
have a nice day, at the very least show the goddamn things that lead to europe being ahead in history rather than have it be forced through half assed mechanics
>i play paradox games for the historical accuracy
I don't even play EU4 anymore, but yes, Parashit games used to be about inserting you into a historical setting not about le meme institution concentration in Korea or whatever, zoomergay
>at the very least show the goddamn things that lead to europe being ahead in history
That would be preferable indeed, but it is asking too much from sw*des
yeah, i'm glad we agree
the way it's done right now just magically puts europe ahead which completely deletes all the things europe went through to be ahead of everyone
True but pdx games are spreadsheet map painting games with minimal animations. TW visualizes blood, violence, conquest and oppression. Making it a bit more controversial
Modern clown world is likely a part of it, but it doesn't explain why they can't even make a sanitized historical game like so many others. AoE 4 has historical campaigns that cover historic conquests, no one complains because it's sanitized. In fact vanilla Medieval II TW was extremely sanitized aside from the Americas campaign and crusade/jihad mechanics.
The real problem is that the modern TW audience has no interest in it. They would complain about lack of unit variety, boring setting, no MCU superhero units, etc.
If they released a sanitized historic game that had no controversial mechanics, but had real modding support, it would be a success. Modders would make it "realistic" like they did with M2TW and people would play it despite the vanilla game being lackluster.
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So... today we had this presentation and no thread dedicated to it. Is the game DoA? It look like another experimental game like Troy, an historical game based on Warhammer full of interesting concepts the avoid to try elsewhere, but with the same core of the previous games and no appeal like a main title should have
its a saga title in everything but name so yes
The setting have a lot of potential to be a mainline game but I don't understand CA plans and marketing anymore. With their actual logic, not only FotS, but base Shogun should be a saga game. Rome is called just Rome, but is a main game, so Pharaoh even with a limited context could be a main game about Bronze age too, considering the presence of the Hittite and Caananite. Also, I still don't understand 3K, it went and gone, it had big feels as a mainline game, but had limited scope, sold very well but was dropped and never truly expanded. What are they doing? What are the problems? There are a lot of secondary teams that work on DoA secondary projects that are just a mixmash of existing games but with new assets, but what's the point? Where is the main team? The main titles are going to even exist anymore? They just work randomly at this point, probably influenced by the board of investors that want a new game relased nearly every year. But just look at Troy, a game full of interesting shit, relased for free in EGS, with a Mythical expansion relased an year later when it relased also on steam only to die again. This is the definition of randomness. It's like no historical game was relased since Attila, and even at the time was difficult to undestand CA choiches. Now it's worst. Game soul apart, there is significant RoI with this shit?
>Also, I still don't understand 3K, it went and gone, it had big feels as a mainline game, but had limited scope, sold very well but was dropped and never truly expanded. What are they doing? What are the problems?
Don't really understand either. I know everyone always says the poor reception of DLC killed 3K, but people were very open about what kind of DLC they'd want to see. Just make the DLC people are asking for, plenty of people liked the game and still praise it for having good campaign mechanics. But you shelve it and say you're just going to make a sequel eventually?? Why? Their decisions feel kind of schizophrenic, like nobody is actually in control at CA.
>Their decisions feel kind of schizophrenic,
it's corpo homosexuals who don't even like video games trying to nickle and diming (You) and trying to gaslight by claiming it's a good thing
I think CA had the idea that they are going to milk the game with low effort "chapter packs" but they vastly overestimated the willingness of the market to pay for start dates. They seemed really committed to the idea even though they had poor reception probably because some corpo gay decided they would have better margins than making real expansions people were asking for. Of which they made one, furious wild. I still liked it but the stone age elephant riding tribes are honestly kinda silly and the campaign mechanics janky and it doesn't really interact with the main 3 kingdoms suff. The thing that people really wanted was the northern expansion, which was sort of unofficially confirmed by the devs was going to be next thing but than fates divided, dlc that does literally nothing, happened and the whole game was canned.
The patch accompanying fates did rework Cao Cao and Yuan Shao mechanics but the thing is they worked the same in the grand campaign start so it was really pointless. Of the other ones 8 Princes made some advancements in campaign but it failed to build upon the setting, even people who care about ROTK don't know who those people are and it's considered an embarrassment in china. Mandate of Heaven had the empire vs yellow turban thing, but it was a short and kinda lame campaign. The only good one is World Betrayed because you get to start as Lu Bu and Sun Ce with their own campaign mechanics and this is refected in having more reviews and being the only one with positive ones.
This is probably going to inform how the sequel is monetised. I suspect there's going to be way fewer playable characters at start and they are going to sell them to you piecemeal at $15 a pop.
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The announcement was really weird. I mean support had to end eventually, but couldn't they have still made the northern expansion so it doesn't end on a whimper? I'm sure it would have gone over way better if they did. And why would you go out of your way to make an announcement out of it instead of just doing it quietly. You are just drawing attention to something bad and for what, so you can announce that maybe someday in the future they will make a sequel and try to spin it as a good thing? If they already had at least a teaser or something and a timeline that's ot's going to take say 2 years it would be more understandable but they were just empty promises.
What's with all those homosexuals going
>saga, saga, saga
Did warhammer fry your brain so now unless it has 3 games and a decade of DLC worth of rosters it doesn't count as a full game anymore?
homie it is a saga title
>reused assets from troy
>made by the D team
Has more content than any wh game at release though.
>D team
At this point they are the A team considering we will finally have sieges and matched combat in the game.
>reused assets from Warhammer1/2
>made by the E team
The setting and the way that the Bronze Age Collapse will be implemented reminds me of Attilla but with maybe smaller starting factions. It could be interesting. I just really hope they do this period justice.
Well I do love being a bastion of civilization but I also like starting small and Atilla wouldn't let me do both.
So soon I'll finally be able to play a doomsday scenario that might conquer the map and isn't just after me.
>I do love being a bastion of civilization but I also like starting small
Kinda opposing concepts
Just need to have it that the player is only a small part of the greater faction/culture. Pharaoh is already doing that.
>I just really hope they do this period justice.
Only if we atleast get Assyria in a DLC.
the gameplay preview I just saw looked like dog shit
What makes it look like dog shit?
its just troy but without fantasy stuff
What made Troy bad?
not him but i disliked it cuz it was too small in scale
shitty unit variety and factions
the bronze age is pretty boring all things considered
>too small in scale
it had more settlements than rome 2
Its still more varied and about as large as Japan. If Shogun 2 can work, then so can other smaller scale TW's. It's just a matter of weather or not they can do it right.
rome collapsed cuz it built an economy on conquest and looting, then ran out of targets to pillage and loot and kept spending on a military that wasn't needed so they couldn't fund it when they needed it the most
The more I see of this game the more I realize volound was fricking right years ago. CA is fricking dead.
kys
cool stor bro
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Why you spamming your troonycord screenshots everywhere you sad bastard?
Needs to have wizards and magic schools of each of the different Egyptian gods really flesh it out you could have a school of magic and wizards for every pagan God for each city state and really just Warhammer fantasy that s*** would be cool and also funny the memes would be glorious
Pharaoh is just Troy reskinned.
>He still thinks Warhammer will get better sieges
Yeah that was my only complaint some of the new maps got better but yeah they just feel bare Bones that bring back naval combat
>how dare they use assets they already made for a game in the same time period
when will these morons stop pretending to like these games when they clearly don't?
I'm almost impressed. There are people played one game from the series twenty years ago and still feel compelled to seethe about every other one. rather than accept it was a fluke and they are blinded by nostalgia anyway.
>people like to make fun of bad games
damn I wonder why they do that
Test
Pharaohbros I don't feel so good.
this is unironically a good thing minus the time constraints
>make a game from scratch with an inflated budget and too many staff with too many unrealistic expectations
>game sucks
>make a game using old assets where you can and re-tooling them into a more refined experience with small but dedicated team
>game rocks
Just play Troy again you moron
>buying Troy
I would rather play Egyptians than Danaans, moron
Troy
>I'm gonna buy (not)Troy
What did he mean by this
this is your brain on fantasyshit
yeah imagine buying wh 2 and 3 lmao
noone bought troy, it was given for free on release on epic kek
Imagine paying 60 bucks for a mod.
onion
Why the flying frick does Ramesses III not actually control Egypt at the start of this? There's even a FoW over his own kingdom.
Because the Pharaoh is still alive?
Because he’s not Ramses III yet.
>we wuz kangs shit
americans sure love black dick
most american post ITT
cry about it then
I hate Black folk so much it's unreal
It does look good I do like that time here hopefully they do a good job of refreshing at the map of all those cool culture groups. I got spoiled by all those mythical fantasy factions and variety so I like medieval too so much you got a good mix of variety of a huge scope of different technology over different time period you just once you have a taste of it it's hard to go back to bland rosters. Hopefully they have a good amount of variety
so historical TW has been officially killed?
i wish, but you homosexuals will still make enough noise for CA to create more historical titles despite the fact historyBlack folk can never ever be satisfied with anything
Been dead ever since ToB flopped