>NO ONE CROSSES THE POWDER GANGERS!

It's actually even worse then talon company. They at least had an "excuse" to be after you and even had an HQ and leader of some kind. The gunners are just kinda there in 4.

>all over the DC ruins for no given reason
They were hired to clear out the Super Mutants

>It's as moronic and inexplicable as a fully functional luxury resort full of rich c**ts who don't actually do anything in the middle of feral ghoul country.

Funny shit is that if you plop that location down into New Vegas proper that entire location and its inhabitants makes perfect sense. Oh and the Oasis fits Nevada or California WAY better than the Capital wastelands. It makes more sense Harold only traveled a little bit rather than travelling across the entire USA.

There's actually a few locations in FO3 that fit New Vegas way better.

>all over the DC ruins for no given reason
They were hired to clear out the Super Mutants

And why in the hell are YOU not allowed to join them to clear out super mutants? On paper there's no reason for you two to fight, if anything be allies. They should only turn hostile if you piss off that rich butthole and his business guy for not blowing up Megaton.

>One thing FO3 gets right is: here's a bunch of super mutants, humans, ghouls, feral ghouls, all armed to the god damn teeth. And underground tunnels act as actual levels with the possibility of ambushes.
This is the main reason I like Tale of Two Wastelands. It genuinely makes Fallout 3 better because the Super Mutants are much tougher in New Vegas.

>Most of New Vegas and its DLC's are giant open plains firing upon lightly armored raiders
homie exclusively stuck to the roads that the tutorial character explicitly says are mostly safe. In that opening area around Primm and Nipton alone, there is Jackrabbit Springs (powerful Supermutants), Mesquite Mountain Crater (powerful Feral Ghoul Reavers), Mesquite Mountain Campsite (Giant Radscorpions), the Cresent Canyon (Golden Geckos), and Morning Star Caverns (Nightstalkers). There is also Primm Pass that has a wandering Deathclaw you can fight for a shortcut.

Fallout 3 crawled so New Vegas could talk. You can see how Obsidian recycled concepts from 3 including Talon into New Vegas. Talon Company became The Legion. Regulators and Riley's Rangers became NCR.

I know that, but in-game the way the dynamics play out and the hit-squad dynamics. You had the "good guy" faction of Regulators who'd send hitsquad at you if your karma was too low, and the bad guy faction send hitsquads if your karma was too high. good guy faction wants Fingers to turn in, the other wants something else.

New Vegas recycles all that but actually gives them more grounded reasons for doing any of this instead of vague abstract ones.

The NCR is recycled from these factions in 3:
>Brotherhood
>Riley's Rangers
>Regulators (who are so paper thin as a faction. Who funds this shit?)

While the legion:
>Talon Mercs

>The headcanon factions were so poorly thought out
>implying

>Her mod also adds cut Fiend dialogue and ways to make them friendly.

If I'm not mistaken, it's technically not cut, just so out of the way to gain access to no player would stumble upon it. I think you need good rep with the Khans and to don Khan armor around the Fiends and they will start talking to you.

The issue is that this dialogue and quest-line goes nowhere so if you want to 100% the quests, you need to kill the fiend leaders. My guess is fully fleshed out, you could side with the Fiends to put a bounty on NCR officers.

>Cook Cook: Oh Major Dhatri put a price on my head? How about I double it if you give me HIS head. And I'll make you up something real nice afterwards. How about that? Yeah how about that.
>get to chill, eat food, trade slaves, with your buddy cook cook around a camp fire

Same tbh
NCR vs Legion is pretty fricking lame tbh, a fun journey is better than a well-written journey

I enjoyed Fallout 3 but didn't like Fallout 1
Should i give it another chance?

But i did play it(years ago)
I didn't enjoy it so i dropped it at Mariposa

Meanwhile FNV is a boring walking simulator. Good one, McFly.

You wouldn't say that were you to be stripped and forcefully put into a simulation pod with doctor Braun, boy!

seems nothing more then bandwagoning on the avellone hate after he got metood. His contributions is pretty self evident from the fact NV draws heavily from salvaged material of the van buren design docs which in itself was extensively pen and papered to flesh out more in Black Isle. Avellone was one of the leads in that world building.

Part of the reason they could pull of the NV so fast was that the pre production did not have to start from literal zero as they got ideas from earlier material and technical tools like assets from F3 libraries

>adjective
>superlative adjective
cool I can do it too. Avellone has the best DLC and characters under his belt. And it's true.

Would you say the opposite of this would be something like Dead Money?

Christine and Ulysses walk in and out of Big MT. If the major factions (who seem like idiots for not even realizing Big MT is a thing) like House, Brotherhood, Legion, or NCR, put their minds to it, they'd set about infiltrating and destroying it.

I wish the Independent ending had a little more going on instead of only being a None of the above option

Benny Bing really sells the idea of Independence though. I think people off him when they first meet him, so they never get to see Benny try to plead with the player to continue his life's work. Benny's end-goal is a bit vague as to what he wants but he says that Vegas will finally start "swinging" with proper independence. I take that to mean they can go all out with expanding the casinos, condos, and making it the stable profitable destination in the wastes. Actually put that money into expanding Vegas into something decent than sitting on your asses. But it'd mean it turn into some big mafia run town with no one acting as a check.

Old World Blues isn't meant to be taken too seriously, it's like the Mothership Zeta of New Vegas, but in any case the whole place is more of a containment prison for the Think Tanks and a cut ending has you free them, after which they ravage the wastelands for their experiments. It's basically a ton of forbidden experimental tech that is unlikely to be encountered in the wastes (because the good karma ending has the Courier gradually introduce some of the tech into the wasteland, presumably those that increase welfare) and most of it is pretty much unusable for anything else other than harmful things.
>plant samples were taken from the Big Empty to Vault 22 and it infected and killed everyone in there
>Big Empty scientists placed whatever the frick the Cloud was made of into the Sierra Madre's ventilation, provided hazard suits that accidentally or deliberately had their seals corroded shut by the Cloud
>cyber-dogs that are very often aggressive
>technology that replaces someone's brain but if there's no connection to the original brain the result is a violent lobotomite following their base instincts
>bleeding edge auto-doc variants that had very little opportunity to be deployed pre-war, a lot of them are non-functional
>suits that will take over the wearer's motor functions in order to fight or flee, accidentally set to fighting 24/7, no command to shut it off
>literally created the cazadores and night stalkers that terrorize the Mojave
It's a jail for geniuses. People will presumably stumble upon it but it's not the only scientific faction in the series with tech that blows off everyone else in the wasteland, and it's not THAT far from other pre-war shit that was produced, such as robots of varying sapience that DO run on nuclear power. Why weren't they just scrapped for their nuclear reactors?

Underrated.

>Also even worse, it objectively breaks the New Vegas setting
All of the Avellone DLCs do that. Unlike Honest Hearts which is set on a real place with a laser focus on a person and their personal struggls, they all feel more like fairy tales than a gritty post apocalyptic story. The themes are meta-pervasive and seek to influence the environment and atmosphere, the human element is very diminished.

>and in that day and that version of gamebyro it was a specific problem with costum characters my dude. The thing about Ulysses wearing always the respirator was bought up specifically that they could not get the lips to sync properly in time for release

Oh thanks, nice to confirm that. It's a bit immersion breaking how all the DLC characters go out of their way to not speak on screen.

It's the word bully that bothered me the most, I can't recall when I seen someone who wasn't a kid or a soccermom.
Regardless, though he wasn't correct, the point about good and evil still applies, as the very operation of entities is predicated on using force. It's the force that's the most basic quality.
That doesn't automatically make it or conquest, bad. Same goes for murder, which, like destruction, is not in fact automatically evil.

It demonstrably does because one entity is clearly worse in regards to the quality Americans like to tout as the cornerstone of their nation.
>Then why is the Legion use of force bad? What makes it bad?
It's not. Legion isn't evil because it uses "some" force broadly speaking, but what, how and to what end.

>Life as a legion officer is much better than for the lowly farmer?
Some rightly would disagree, some killers included.
>since when
Since all the time, in spite of their hypocrisy. Freedom and slavery are ill-compatible. You either get one, or another, or a joke.
>Why?
What "why"? Do I need to explain to you every lack that Legion has as a structure?

>And some wouldn't, throwing any objectivity of the matter into the trash.
To you, perhaps, it is so, but that's to be expected from someone who can't reconcile that plurality of opinions in an objective rational reality is exactly that.
I know your type, unless God Itself comes to you, it is pointless to talk to people who ask why but are not willing to challenge it themselves, it'll barely work were one to write millions of words to explain things.
Answer your own question yourself.

Explaining the issues of true morality is like explaining why the color red is in fact red. It can be done, but it is not possible without exceeding information propagation capabilities.
Naturally, you shall cop out like all others, as is evident from your stance, asking for proofs instead of making one yourself.

Memes and buzzwords, indeed.
Alright, state, word by word, what is the meaning of the word morality. State the most proper, oldest if need be, definition of morality.
Copy-paste, I don't care, state it, then I'll try pointing fingers.

I didn't ask you to ask why, I asked you to post it so that you can see.
Are you a bot?

>Mojave govern itself?
There is no Mojave, a pile of entities moving their own way only kept stable because there's House keeping stability in a casino city.

They can, in their locales, which will last only until they can't anymore.

So? Left to their own devices they'll just remain irrelevant, become their own NCR, or eventually die out.

It is evil, and they are not committed to it correctly, but they are committed to it more than not, and in comparison, which is an important thing in the Wasteland, where natural conditions are all over place starting and ending with kill or be killed on sight as the most sure warrant of one's continuous existence.

Independent ending is as House described, a vanity project, as the two are the same, but Independent is weaker, and can only be made better with headcanons.
Likewise, freedom alone isn't sufficient, freedom alone life doesn't make, and being independent to others doesn't actually mean being freer in the long run.
House (somewhat stable status quo) > Yes Man (a casino city without visionaries shall extract chumps mercilessly by design) > NCR (slowed bleedout unless otherwise) > Legion (mediocre rot at the precipice of more evils)

You asked, I answered. NCR isn't all that good, but it's better than Legion, and in that original post the point was about good and evil, which it is.
Game tries to portray House as a worse option than what he actually is, while portraying NCR and Independent as better ones, which is sufficient for an appearance of supposed more struggle, but not in practice.
The practical struggle is more of a broader picture, as NCR and Legion are those 2 entities in the background, the massive primary players in the region, and one is worse than another in regards to freedom, slavery and all that, whereas the other is bloody.
That both are lacking is irrelevant to what they are in spirit, regardless how little do both live up to theirs.

>You asked, I answered.
I didn't really.
>NCR isn't all that good, but it's better than Legion, and in that original post the point was about good and evil, which it is.
It isn't though, because the original point was that there's no gray, and that NCR vs Legion was like Rebels vs Empire in Star Wars. If the NCR is just "better" than the Legion, then it isn't a good vs evil conflict, it's grey, where the NCR is shades lighter.
>Game tries to portray House as a worse option than what he actually is
Yes and it even contradicts itself for that to happen

Or to put it in other words once more, moral grayness is a perceptional and complexity issue in complex environment. Analyze it extremely well, and it will stop being so.

That's because you don't analyze it to see what it is, but rather to pick what suits you. Or in other words, it's not a good analysis.
That not-good is indeed not good, but that not-evil is merely evil with minor concessions.

>Because that's all you can do. They're not mathematical formulas, you think probe their objectivity beyond what you can see and hear and smell and think and all of that comes with your bias
No, that's merely what you think you can do. You simply don't bother.
>the best
Not even close.
>by that already it's not
It always is, good and evil and their conflict are cosmic things, the battles are not limited to clear cut situations, but even unclear situations are clear in actuality to the sides themselves.
And the concessions are ultimately minor, yes, and ones that don't change the rot within.

Well, you're free to believe what you believe to your own detriment.
>representation
It's not a representation of anything. It simple stands closer to the side of good, which is enough to count it as one.
And, yes, the concessions are minor. They're just enough to stand. No concession to good can outweigh evil, as neither is weighted, both stand on their own.

>Why
Are you even capable of answering your own questions or is pointless restatement all you can do? How exactly do you expect to grasp any complex moral rationales if you will continue to gimp yourself like that?
It's good to count as one simply because the range of possibilities it can create allows for more outcomes with better future, and its spirit is better than not, among other reasons because it at times tries to pretend to be better than what it is, which some people take seriously and in turn realize.
>thematic
Is irrelevant, what matters is the nature of actors in the game and their consequences. What Legion does is subpar, incompetent and ultimately lacking in regards to their environment, they're a mediocre pastiche at best. All that it does can be done better without any evil baggage that they engage in.

Some things are too hard for me to explain, and some are unwise to explain.
But more than that I find your approach laughable. I don't ask others to explain things to me, or care for facts, I simply keep on thinking until I walk past them.
>competent
Competent at statecraft doesn't make a political entity a better or a desirable one.
Singapore is an orderly place, but it's not a good one.
Roman Empire too, was impressive, but it was not good.

>What Legion does is subpar, incompetent and ultimately lacking in regards to their environment
They’re literally winning the war without player involvement. Oliver thinks the Legion is incompetent while everyone who actually has to fight them is terrified of them.
Legionaries are actually incredibly well trained and experienced due to the lifelong slave soldier thing and this is reflected in their higher base stats.

What "right"? NCR is just a corrupt US simulacrum but with a number of differences, US IRL is a tool long since before WW2, trying to keep its economic bubble afloat is just a pretext that's fulfilled additionally.

Likely occult and otherwise esoteric entities, as well as opportunists keen and smooth enough to dance around them.

I enjoy minmaxing too but I had more fun in DUST with first time unoptimized character than the hyper optimized build I've made later, that does not happen very often.

You're welcome