Oh, you think because it's saturday you can just slack off all day or something? Is that what you're gonna do?
Oh, you think because it's saturday you can just slack off all day or something? Is that what you're gonna do?
Oh, you think because it's saturday you can just slack off all day or something? Is that what you're gonna do?
not feeling great tbh
will do somth in the afternoon
Yes
I deserve it I work with kids
Fair enough
pedophiles deserve the rope
i question your career choice
>He thinks babysitting tier jobs are hard
Kek this is woman tier posting.
When they're special needs it is
Oh my mistake
fat woman tier posting*
Taking care of kids can either be a cakewalk or a nightmare depending on the child.
You can have a child who just sits there reading/watching something quietly or you can have a child that is constantly trying to get themselves killed in ways you didn't even know were possible every second of the babysitting session.
>or you can have a child that is constantly trying to get themselves killed in ways you didn't even know were possible every second
Try a classroom full of them, and add "trying to kill each other".
t. former preschool teacher
Fricking hell that sounds like a nightmare
kitty is hungry
Today I read chapter 752 of Kuma Buma Kuma Bear
Also I sent kumanano a badly written message in japanese because of a plot hole and she changed it, feels nice to be able to communicate a little.
Yep.
I promise I'll work extra hard at it tomorrow
I really don't understand how anyone learns an instrument. Sure, it's fun hearing a few bars in a song, and going, hmm, I wonder if I can play that, then downloading sheet music or a midi and piecing it together so you can poorly play 5 notes, but how does anyone sit down for hours and just play? Japanese was utterly trivial by comparison, you just do a bit of anki then watch TV.
Depends on the person I suppose, at least you can make playing and learning an instrument fun, can hardly say the same about learning a new language.
pic related, a japanese guitarist
But watching TV is fun. With music it just feels like the amount of stuff you have to know to get started with the fun stuff is overwhelming. Sightreading? Years of practice. Playing by ear? Months. And none of this stuff seems to have any good methods, because musicians are all very stupid with money so all the tools are locked behind stupid programs with no real track record, you're just expected to throw yourself at a wall.
Justin guitar and rocksmith weren't bad, but what if you don't want to learn guitar? You're fricked.
the funny thing is that actually composing music that people wanna listen to is a lot easier to do than dedicating yourself to an instrument, you just need to take in a lot of things about music that aren't as conventional (interval theory, learning time sigs, etc.) and soon enough you can create catchy melodies that people will want to imitate with their instrument, and the best part is that you can just compose on computer so you don't really need an instrument in front of you, or to record live musicians.
I don't really have any interest in composing, I just want to play anime songs.
im just saiyan, its really fun because you don't really need to be that skilled at piano, you need some good ideas, good samples/soundfonts/shit like that and a way to jot it down digitally, is all. I am only mentioning because my family was really down on me pursuing music when I was young because I wasn't dedicated to playing piano, and then when I started learning theory I blew their conceptions out of the air so now they just let me do what I wanna do lol. Most people have no idea how hard it is to actually play what a lot of composers make, that is the thing: complexity in music usually correlates to complexity in playing, but the issue is that (at many times in our history, like during the classical era) complexity in music was highly desired, and then they force you to play classical if you wanna learn piano basically, if they get you on it at a young age, and someitmes they don't try to foster a love of classical so all the complexity just turns to dread to the kid who is trying to play that stuff. anyway im ranting, but yea.
A big part of learning an instrument ironically isn't so much learning specific stuff but just enough to have fun to jam by yourself. People get there through different ways, some via learning exercises, some via learning songs, others via learning music theory, etc., but at the end of the day you just need to have fun. There's no "right" end goal for learning an instrument.
Though definitely learn proper playing, poor wrist positioning and such will cause long-term damage.
>at the end of the day you just need to have fun
At the end of the day you need fricking discipline. I refuse to believe anybody is having fun playing the same notes over and over and over and OVER AGAIN FRICK YOU. I do respect anyone who can play an instrument because holy frick, I have no patience to sit my ass and do this repetitive boring shit for more than 5 minutes.
>I do respect anyone who can play an instrument
You've got the wrong mindset. If you're learning guitar you try hitting certain chords and measure how quickly you can do it, whether you get confused, etc.
It's not very different from rhythm vidya, but you don't have to restart the entire fricking song to get at the part that gives you trouble.
I practiced songs for a while, but I just couldn't put up with it, I simply do not have the drive to. Also, F and B minor chords completely filtered me.
The fun isn't that practice, hell I don't do much finger exercise/scale practice (though should do more, wish I could shred). It's just sitting down in front of your amp and playing/coming up with riffs and losing yourself in the moment. You can do that just by playing something easy like Paranoid by Black Sabbath. Hell, just tune down to drop D and you can spend all day playing one finger power chords even as a day 1 newbie.
huh? practicing is fun
I really don't understand how anyone learns how to draw. Sure, it's fun scribbling a few stickmen on a piece of paper, and going, hmm, I wonder if I can color that, then buy color pencils or some paint and piecing it together so you can poorly draw a comic strip, but how does anyone sit down for hours and just draw? Japanese was utterly trivial by comparison, you just do a bit of anki then watch TV.
Drawing is even more of a mystery to me than music. At least I can make a few beeps and boops, drawing stickmen is hell.
I started by redrawing hentai. It's pretty easy when you're just filling in some blanks.
>yesterday
>record all the rhythm guitar, bass + about 70% of leads on my current project. tracks are quality, feel efficient and proud of myself
>today
>can't be fricked to track one clean arpeggio properly, give up after 10 minutes of shit thats barely on time
there's just days like this... better luck tomorrow
Here's how I started off my weekend:
http://www.studykanji.net/kanjiquiz/chrome
なにそれ
>studykanji.net
>kanjiquiz/chrome
>なにそれ
Are you k?
You edited it the link wasn't there before
Why would you lie on the internet, dude? Not cool.
No one else gonna try the quiz?
WIN
Now show the overview.
lol...
is this good for someone who started 3-4 weeks ago? n5
That's very good. Just keep going. It's not a race.
all of this progress is from wani kani. do you think thats good? anything else thats a good resource? i have no knowledge of anything other than kanji or kanas, i dont know where to learn vocab since people say thats hard, or everything besdies kanji and kana...
im in same boat. im level 9 wanikani, when i get to level 10 i want to start learning grammar and sentence structure. But i dont know where to get started.
Grab an anki deck without the shitwordd like President (like https://anacreondjt.gitlab.io/docs/coredeck/)
Watch anime with japanese subtitles
Read simple web novels in syosetu
>Read simple web novels in syosetu
Not him but can you recommend me a few?
kuma kuma kuma bear
聖女? いいえ、やったのはこっちのくまです!~可愛いもふもふくまさんと行く異世界浄化旅~
無色の聖女は手抜きがデキナイ
Or just check JPDB, there's a "web novels ranked by difficulty" list, those 3 I posted must be around 2/10 to 4/10
imho grinding kanji is pointless if you're not learning vocab that goes with it.
Sorry, I can't really give good advice for self-learners as I wasn't one for the longest time and certainly not when I started. And I have literally no idea how WaniKani works. I always hear the name but never bothere to check it out. All I know to do is, tell people to stay the frick away from Duolingo. Cause that's actual trash.
Generally, of course you will have to learn grammar. And soon. Otherwise all the time spent on studying kanji will be wasted. What's good for native English speaker I don't really know.
When it comes to studying kanji, I don't think you can just do one thing and expect great results. Imo you need to proactively learn the list of joyo kanji on top of trying to remember words you encounter on the day to day.
When I say studying joyo kanji, I'm of course not speaking about studying kanji in isolation. Idiots on here often jump to that conclusion. But when you learn a new kanji, imo you need to memorize it's most common (joyo) meanings and readings together with a couple of words that use it - especially verbs and such. Simple vocabulary lists such as anki decks are not good enough because they only teach you one reading of a character at any given time. You need to study kanji thoroughly and build out your vocabulary. I can just list off a characters readings off the top of my head if you show it to me. And still that doesn't mean I know with 100% certainty how word is read that I don't know yet. There's often the possibility of picking the wrong reading if the are several available or an irregular reading.
Wanikani actually functions just like that, first you learn the kanji, and then vocab that uses it. The starting levels make you learn radicals before kanji, and honestly just knowing how to break down kanij by radicals really helped down the line when kanji start to get more cluttered. I encourage anyone who recently started learning to become familiar with radicals. You don't need to but I really felt I had a better understanding after I did.
You don't need to play something that you have 100% comprehension with, and beginner material is mostly boring. I'd encourage you to play something that's above your level so you can mine vocab you don't know. If you need some recommendations, Game Gengo on youtube has some videos about games that are good to learn with.
Yeah, learning radicals definitely helps a lot. And you can do it pretty quickly imo since you can keep it loose. It's not necessary initionally to learn what they're called for example. Most will be fine just remembering the meanings. Maybe later down the lean you will know what さんずい, るまた or うかんむり are and it makes more sense then since you'll understand those names better as well. As you said, initially it just helps with memorizing and understanding kanji. Plus back in the day you needed them to you print character dictinaries. A skill that I imagine many people starting these days will probably never have to rely on.
>initionally
That is one of the weirdest typos I ever made.
Did you take it in college? Or just language classes?
University
Did you have a good experience with it there?
Well... yes and no. But most negative experiences stemmed from the ramifications of sweeping changes that took place in entire country's higher education system while I went to University, and not from any problems I had with my faculty per se - though they were of course not exempt for the same issues that plagued everyone else at the time.
Sorry to hear that. I'm starting it in uni in two weeks, so I was curious about it. Most anons are self-taught, it seems, but I figured a formal education both helps with motivation and a potential job afterwards.
Different anon, but many university classes are hit or miss. You can have good and bad professors, or some that teach at a bad pace. My university's classes were taught at a snails pace, and we were still learning stuff from Genki 2 after 5 semesters. I'd like to believe my situation was an anomaly though, as I know of others who actually learned at a decent pace. If you have room to take it, it won't hurt, but don't expect to become proficient solely from classes and be sure to self-study on the side.
>I figured a formal education both helps with motivation and a potential job afterwards.
Pfffffft hahahaha. Language courses are one huge money sink. The best is to bust your ass, learn all the shit you need to learn (e.g. write a cover letter, do your resume, formal correspondence with customers, work the front desk, write a recipe, offer directions, attain spontaneity), and pay money for the magic job requirement checkbox-filling cert.
>t. self-taught to C2 level in English (which is still painfully low since you can't do most of the stuff I listed in parentheses above)
>the best
The best way. I suck at proofreading.
And if you need to know why, consider that no ESL courses teach the IPA, phonology (i.e. they don't teach you to pronounce correctly), they don't evaluate your writing skills (i.e. they only care that you can write a shitty argumentative essay, but not about whether it's convincing), you're taught horrible canned textbook English ("How are you?" "I'm fine, thank you. And you?"), etc.
I think we have talked before in one of these threads. I wish you success on your path to becoming an academic.
No, I'm a different anon, I usually never post in these threads because the last thing I want is more demoralization. But thank you, anon.
>It's not a race
Don't fall for dekinai cope. The sooner you learn, the more vidya you'll be able to play.
>where to get started.
Tae Kim's guide, Genki, Cure Dolly's videos. Then the Sou Matome and Shin Kanzen grammar drill books.
For looking shit up, use the 3 Dictionaries of Japanese Grammar.
Don't forget to actually use the language. You won't become proficient from mindlessly drilling grammar.
Grats anon you are WinRAR
bro you must have been at it for like an hour wtf
>learning kanji by their "meanings"
utterly useless.To use an example from the N1 levels, if you present someone 丹 the first word that will come to mind will be 丹念, definitely not "rust-coloured" (if anything that would be 紅)
It's just a fun little challenge you autist. No one suggested to use it as a learning tool. I already know the characters and was bored.
What do you suggest then?
Not very difficult. Guess I should try higher levels like n4 or n3. But I'm good with Anki and reading manga for learning Japanese
mario if he 元気
ha I get it I thought genki that doesnt rhyme with real at all! but then realized it's because of the book so yeah that's kinda funny
Hilarious.
i don't get it
Comiket is literally in progress and this week i'll scrap a shitton of untranslated doujinshi thanks to me knowing japanese
Get a real hobby you weeb
I'm so grateful that we have 新字体.
Currently playing through Survive. I don't think I will though.
>kyuujitai bad
Too bad you have to learn them anyway. See 餌, 靄, 諂う, 錆, 廃墟, 鋏, 諺, 噂, 蔕, 溢れる, 倦怠感, 捲る, 撥音, etc.
溢れる makes my 鉄 the 鉄塔
shota games
it's exactly what I was planning today, how did you know
What app does the original version of this girl come from?
Not today. I'm done with my reps, b***h.
now READ
>reps
ngmi
I'm going to learn japanese and theres nothing you can do to stop me vile woman.
Why can’t they just learn English, didn’t we win the war?
Why did you frickers have to simplify the spelling system? It's impossible to read without moonrunes.
こうせい can be converted in like 5 different ways.
Kousei. There I fixed the language for you, ezpz.
構成, 厚生, 攻勢, 更生 or 後世? Which one is it?
>kanji
We won the war. They should be speaking English.
No one wants a Germany 2.0
Does set mean set, set, set, set, ..., or set? Which one is it?
They do. They're forced to learn it in school for 8 years and they're still worse than the average English toddler
I just don't get the mindset of Japanese people.
If you don't learn English, you are basically trapped in your Japanese bubble.
Japanese is not spoken outside of Japan, it has no use outside of Japan.
Pretty much every other country realizes that if you want to know anything about or be able to communicate with the outside world, you have to learn English, but Japanese people seem totally content with just staying inside their isolated Japanese bubble.
How's that a bad thing?
They make all their own media. They have a robust anime industry, video game industry, music industry, movie industry, etc. Why would they need to go outside their bubble when everything else is shittier than your own
The only reason a thirdie learns English is because their own culture is so dead that they need to consume English created media
there's no real issue with that as long as they have a stable economy. there's no reason to communicate with other people if they aren't going to travel or do business internationally. its not like some hiki is clamoring to talk to western weebs or anything.
Japan's economy has been falling since the 90s lol, they've done absolutely no long term solutions
Are you moronic? Cause you just described most of the country in the world that isnt english speaking. Most people are content to stay in their cultural bubble , you literally are in one as well.
that's based. wish my country had shoved off this awful foreign language so I wouldn't see all the vile pozzed shit anglo and israelites make
Let me guess... you only speak English?
He is another amerimutt complaining about shit he doesn't know about, as every amerimutt do
Also it always makes me laugh when they dare talk anything about languages when they are the most illiterate first world country
Most of Sweden is probably immigrants who can speak arabic, swedish and english
t. swedish who has never met another white swede who can speak three languages
0.7 what the frick? Does this include babies? Even then how can it possibly be that low
some only speak in tongues
>According to official statistics published by the Department of Education, 54% of adult Americans 18-74 have a prose literacy at or below a 6th-grade equivalent. Half the country can’t even read.
sure it's all white people, and not the droves of mexicans being accepted every year
>average American speaks less than 1 language
Bruh
>when they are the most illiterate first world country
Wrong. America isn't a first world country.
>0.7
is this why some americans can't understand ESL speech?
>implying ESLs aren't lower than that
actual EOP cope
Holy mother of zero reading comprehension lmao!
>he thinks ESLs can speak their first language
lol
>0.7
This cannot be real. I know there are some real morons in this country, but what the frick?
that's a good thing
the worst japs are the ones who learned english, went to america for a year and then come back talking about how heckin' problematic japanese society is
Most japanese people tend to stay in japan their whole lives. Despite their ultra wagecuck lifestyle, they're relatively happy with their own culture to the point they don't care for other cultures.
Kids are taught about how every prefecture/area in Japan is unique. Every area has their own special foods/places/etc and the kids all know these off by heart. For them travelling to a different prefecture is like going to a foreign country.
I did the dancing english monkey job for a while and less than a handful of the thousands of kids I taught had ever left japan.
>Japanese bubble
theres much cultural and linguistic diversity within japan
Anon, diversity means black people now days you can't use that word in this context.
After the war, there was discussion of changing the language but even idiot Japs were capable of learning moonrunes without much trouble so the idea was scrapped.
They use anime to learn english (unironically)
>Why can’t they just learn English, didn’t we win the war?
America's endgame in Japan is to christianize the country.
America's constitution in Japan is entirely in English, and it's called Constitution E. The E stands for Evan. Japan is spiritually bound to people named Evan. As an Evan myself, I don't like it.
>America's constitution in Japan is entirely in English, and it's called Constitution
Here's the constitution of Japan, for Ganker
https://japan.kantei.go.jp/constitution_and_government_of_japan/constitution_e.html
For that, i'll tell you the situation in Japan. Without a tripcode.
The LITERAL STATE OF JAPAN is the society is trying to fulfill a promise in the Ends of the Earth. In western spirituality terms, one could say that Japanese Culture lives in the Darkness, and is looking for the Light.
The promise Japan is trying to fulfill is to cross the dimension in any japanese videogame or anime. It's almost impossible even if one is aware and looking for it. Whenever they find a New Victim (someone who stumbles upon this secret, like me back in 2019), they hack them to see what they're doing on their computer. So if you have porn, this is where you get judged by Japan. They'll throw HOLY CROSSES at you and tell you to find a church. Japan is turning Christian over this, and there's not many Christians in Japan, making this a big feat. Pic related is the number of Christians in Japan.
It won't stop until one person, just one person, finds the secret. Then everything will be set free in Japan. But until then, it's hard to see what's happening in Japan as anything but Christian.
They even write songs about it.
>"But we weren't born so that we'd kill eachother"
Yes. Japanese people are literally driving themselves to suicide over this. It's a promise caught in the ends of the Earth. Once you catch it, you can't look away from it. It's only WHEN WILL IT BE?
WHY DO JAPANESE PEOPLE COMMIT SUICIDE? THIS IS WHAT IT'S OVER.
meds unironically
>meds unironically
Frick off.
Meds don't fly in Japan.
>meds unironically
FRICK YOUR MEDS.
I'm a PC. I'm not an NPC. The matter of fact is, if you listened to ANYONE in JAPAN, just throw a dart at the board, you'd tell a Japanese Person to take meds. Literally anyone in Japan.
Japan is in fact DIFFERENT from our society. There's a reason people commit suicide in Japan, and ignoring the real reasons it is caused by isn't helping the fricking problem.
YES, i'm SEETHING. I SEETHE Everytime someone says meds, it's because they aren't capable of critical thinking. It's because they don't like Philosophy (Japan LOVES Philosophy). Japan will continue to REJECT MEDS.
how are you practicing output?
im trying to participate in japanese discord servers but im too shy 🙁
Just like in any other language:
>fill ___ the blank
>sentences / words / the / using / form
>questions and answers (お手洗いはどこですか? 二番目の右側のドアです)
>assemble conversations using snippets and then read it. find variants for questions (何歳ですか, おいくつですか, etc.)
>read recipes, analyze vocabulary, structures, and sentences, and write your own
Moonrunes taught separately.
If you want to practise output you need textbooks that give you the solutions to excercises. At least as long as you're a basic b***h. After you get to an intermediate level you won't have THAT much of a hard time intergrating new expression into your repertoire. You can then begin to copy what you read and hear more readily, though you will still need to look up of things behave with different 接続詞 like nouns, i-adjective, verbs etc. if you really want to get stuff down right. A good grammar dictionary will help with that.
output is useless unless you live in Japan
https://www.japatalk.com/
Just thinking about 1-on-1 lessons gives me really bad anxiety.
I kind of want to try one of of those where you pair up with someone that wants to learn your language.
Could also be just a penpal, which would be nice I think. Haven't looked up anything yet though
I want to finish my grammar study first (cure dolly videos) and then would probably try to install one of those apps to talk to japs
I am going to play eroge all day.
yes, i work a physically demanding job and next week im going to be doing a ropes course. Im going to just sleep, veg out, and eat protein
I actually fixed up some old consoles I had, what are some fun PS2 games I can buy for this brick?
Buy? Is it a phat? If so, get FMCB and a networks adapter so you can play off a hard-drive.
>Is it a phat?
yes
Get a FMCB memory card on ebay for 10 bucks and also a PS2 network adapter. Either a chink clone that supports SATA HDDs out of the box but will lack a working ethernet port for copying over games, or an original model that will only support IDE HDDs until you upgrade it with a SATA upgrade kit, which will give you SATA and a working network interface. Then load up a HDD with games and off you go.
I recommend Busin 0 Wizardry Alternative Neo. Cool dungeon crawler and Japan exclusive.
I played 1 and dropped it around the time you save the queen from that raping demon horse.
I never gave the first one a try. Presentation wise it just wasn't there for me. I think the sequel is just lovely to look at though.
Also, hold on a sec. I'm about to post my collection of PS2 games. Maybe something in there for you.
Here you go.
Thank you for reminding me to download raidou
Bussin? no cap frfr? last wizardry i played was extremely boring (snes)
I get that. I'm not always up for some dungeon crawling myself.
Does anyone know a good place to get jp subs for jdramas? Or dramas with jp subs?
Most links in the /jp/ general are dead/broken
>he thinks japanese people consume japanese media in 2023
Newer releases have JPsubs (Hulu) but searching for classics it's tiresome since most links/torrents are dead
This.
Most Japanese people I talk to listen to english music, watch Hollywood movies, play american vidya etc
It's mostly westerners who actually seem interested in japanese media
have you considered that the japanese people who consume japanese media are not the same as those who would talk to you?
>tiny little twig off of a tree touched the side of my house
>now have a brutal ant infestation of one of the hardest ant species to get rid of
>thought it was finally winding down until i realized they had infested an unused storage room for some reason
gonna spend half the day cleaning the other room then play some deep rock galactic to take out my frustration on virtual alien ants
>pic
Funny cause I'm watching the DIY live action
I don't understand. What does the tree branch touching your house have to do with an ant infestation? Are these some sort of tree inhabiting ants we're talking about here? What makes them so difficult to get rid of? Can't you just get some tasty poison traps for them?
>What does the tree branch touching your house have to do with an ant infestation?
>Are these some sort of tree inhabiting ants we're talking about here?
yes, and overgrown branches/shrubbery that touches your house gives them a bridge to your house. i finally had that dealt with yesterday, so the only ants i should be dealing with now are the ones currently infesting the house.
>What makes them so difficult to get rid of? Can't you just get some tasty poison traps for them?
that's exactly the problem. normally i just use terro bait traps (and i typically deal with little ghost ants), which kills ants off in a day or two. this particular species i'm dealing with, though (white-footed ants) don't actually carry bait back to the colony, since they just farm their own eggs for food. moreover they also reproduce like fricking crazy (even by ant standards). i did have an exterminator over and he treated the windowsills they've been coming in/out from with a transferring insecticide, but i didn't think to have him treat the other room since i didn't expect it would have an ant problem (it was far away from where they had been entering, and there's no food/water sources nearby).
>Threats
>White-footed ants don't have a stinger and do not cause any structural damage. However, they can become a nuisance if they find a way inside the home.
Well, at least there's that. Good luck.
thanks, and yep they're just a massive annoyance. there are dead ones in every crack and crevice in my house, and there were hundreds of dead ones near the windowsill they were mainly entering from, so when this is all over i'm gonna have to clean this place like a murder scene. on the plus side, it's so hot outside that other bugs have been entering the house, including a ton of spiders, which i hope will help me out here
Afaik very few animals dare to frick with ants in general. I don't think there are many who eat ants at all. Ants > everything literally
yeah i don't know how effective it's really going to be. i saw at least one spider eating an ant (and accidentally poofed it with diatomaceous earth it which i felt bad for). still, to me, spiders in the house are honestly a welcome sight. used to hate them, but ive dealt with so many bug problems over the years due to living in a tropic shithole that i have a real fondness for them now. more spiders typically means less of everything else
I wonder if English is harder for Japs to learn or is it the other way around
Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.
I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear;
Queer, fair seer, hear my prayer.
Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
Just compare heart, hear and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word.
Sword and sward, retain and Britain
(Mind the latter how it's written).
Made has not the sound of bade,
Say-said, pay-paid, laid but plaid.
Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague,
But be careful how you speak,
Say: gush, bush, steak, streak, break, bleak ,
Previous, precious, fuchsia, via
Recipe, pipe, studding-sail, choir;
Woven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, shoe, poem, toe.
Say, expecting fraud and trickery:
Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore,
Branch, ranch, measles, topsails, aisles,
Missiles, similes, reviles.
Wholly, holly, signal, signing,
Same, examining, but mining,
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far.
From "desire": desirable-admirable from "admire",
Lumber, plumber, bier, but brier,
Topsham, brougham, renown, but known,
Knowledge, done, lone, gone, none, tone,
One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel.
Gertrude, German, wind and wind,
Beau, kind, kindred, queue, mankind,
Tortoise, turquoise, chamois-leather,
Reading, Reading, heathen, heather.
This phonetic labyrinth
Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, ninth, plinth.
Have you ever yet endeavoured
To pronounce revered and severed,
Demon, lemon, ghoul, foul, soul,
Peter, petrol and patrol?
Billet does not end like ballet;
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.
pronunciation is way harder for them because the sounds don't exist in their unfinished shit half-language.
we have only 1 alphabet, but more grammar.
everything else i guess is equivalent difficulty.
English is hard for no one really since you bask in it since birth in pretty much all countries
this would imply you need effort to learn english
God i hope so. Let them also suffer with learning this shit like we do for theirs.
English is so hard for Japanese people to learn that they frick off and learn Spanish instead
ESL instruction is shit throughout the entire world.
>no phonology or IPA. no one corrects pronunciation mistakes
>robotic textbook English
>deficient, if not downright moronic explanations
>no one corrects mistakes (it's 'stigmatizing')
>teachers are more concerned with "sticking to the curriculum" than teaching kids to speak properly (which is why you'll get puzzled looks if you say "I do like ice cream" (they don't learn that do can be used in affirmative sentences))
etc.
It's the same with any compulsary second language learning in school. We had 4-5 years of French education and I couldn't say a single sentence at the end.
It doesn't matter because America is the biggest cultural exporter in the world so you can just play vidya and watch movies and become fluent which is what 90% of europeans and south americans do.
It works both ways
English is very difficult for Japanese to learn because they heavily encircle themselves with their own language, it has so many phonemes and sounds that aren't in japanese, and like the first reply you got, figuring out pronunciation and how things are spelled the properly used in a variety of contexts is maddening
Japanese for English learners is torture but a different kind. There is a frickload you are expected to grind and memorize, but that will never be enough because you need to use these in conversation to ever "make it". Problem is the sheer size of kanji makes it so easy to dissuade people that have never seriously studied in their life. English people *can* pronounce Japanese flawlessly unlike Japanese with English, but the consecutive execution in long-form conversation is the massive hurdle to get over. It really is like having to flip a switch in your brain once you have familiarized yourself.
Also writing Japanese is a fricking b***h and a half but you NEED to do it to reinforce the learning of the other parts of the language
japs need to shut the frick up when 90% of their words are one or two syllables and they need kanji to tell apart the meaning
>Japanese
>syllables
ngmi
I'm not even gonna entertain your moronation
kanji help a lot in telling apart homophones and figuring out a sentence fast, in anglospeak you see this sentence "I see a bow" and are fricked without the context what kind of bow it is
doesn't seem very useful. how about you just, have the context? doesn't that usually happen when you're communicating with people?
nobody responded to this btw
there are also words that cant be told apart by context, like if someone says さいきょうの戦士 you cant tell if it means 最強、最恐、最狂. i could not find the page but in the manga usogui there is a part where the narrator just keeps saying stuff like 合と合、豪と豪、業と業, etc and it would be completely incomprehensible without kanji.
there are also different nuances between the different ways of writing the words, ie if you write 男, 漢, or オトコ they all have a somewhat different meaning.
Because shit's unreadable without moonrunes. Consider the following tongue-twister:
にわにはにわにわにはにわにわとりがいます
Even with spaces it's a pain in the ass
>にわに は にわ にわに は にわ にわとりが います
You add moonrunes and it becomes 10x more readable:
裏庭には二羽庭には二羽鶏がいます
>にわにはにわにわにはにわにわとりがいます
forgot the うら(裏) at the beginning. Doesn't change much.
うらにわにはにわにわにはにわにわとりがいます
>kana and kanji is a scam
shit bait
WWHYYY YAMASHITERRR
No. I have work today.
How do I increase my willpower stat?
drugs
chronic masturbation and junkfood
the unrelenting self hate of being a half-ass
the secret is awareness
don't just do things
be aware of what you're doing
discipline sprouts from awareness
Stop jerking off
You bet I will.
I slept in till 10am and now I'm going to relax. Later I'll cook some japanese curry for dinner. I don't know if I'll even play video games today.
Grammar Quiz - Because I'm bored Edition
Which of the following 3 sentences are wrong and why?
ノートや鉛筆などを買いました。
ノートや鉛筆なんかを買いました。
ノートや鉛筆ねんてを買いました。
>ノートや鉛筆ねんて
ノートや鉛筆なんて
typo
The top one because it doesn't have the funny h like the other two.
>funny h
Come again?
Okay let me get my viagra
Ok, it's been long enough. No one even tried. Number 3 is wrong! Why? Can't have a particle after なんて. Whatever.
>Can't have a particle after なんて
なんてね!
The issue is that なんて should be followed by a verb like 言う
No.
Yes.
>Why?
it just sounds wrong
>after the answer had been given
>duh just sounds wrong
very convincing. the problem is the particle. など なんか なんて are often completely interchangeable but なんて can't be used if a particle needs to be placed after it.
I'm sure OP image is referencing something but what is it?
I vaguely remember a watercolor anime girl in the same pose
When you mine new words do you concentrate just on the word itself or the complete sentence?
I end up remembering the pronunciation because of the sentence which fricks me up
Yeah I'm going to keep doing nothing, frick you b***h.
>havent read at all today
i feel guilty bros
owari da....
i will carry your tourch anon
Frick no. As I try to do on days where I can, watched 1-2 hours of anime and have been reading for about 4-5 hours so far. (on days where I can't do this much I just do less but always get at least 2 hours active time spent with the language, usually with more time spent passively listening)
I've done this every day with very little in the way of breaks (really only for a week where I went abroad, and even then I took reading and listening material to use during what downtime I got) since the beginning of this year and at this point I'm somewhere between N3 and N2, though it's hard to say since I mine from immersion and don't really give a shit about JLPT vocab lists. It stopped feeling like studying a while back and started to just feel like fun.
We can make it bros, just stay consistent and build habits.
Getting to that level within a year (and self-studying on top of that) is a very brisk pace and impressive to say the least. You can be proud of yourself.
Thank you, though I can't imagine doing any method other than self-studying at this point. It's been absolutely choc full of doubts and setbacks where I felt like my Japanese was awful (well, compared to a native it is, so whatever), but the only way to remedy that is to put your head down and continue. I always just think that it's really easy to look back and regret time we wasted not doing anything, so in two years I want to be able to look back and say I didn't waste this time.
Plus, this is a great way to try out new things and get into franchises you never would've tried otherwise. I would never have gotten into Made in Abyss, Kamen Rider (though I've only seen W so far, holy shit it was good), Nanoha, etc. if not for it.
You can basically just make it your own adventure, and I really love that.
I personally love the aesthetics of early Sentai shows like 秘密戦隊ゴレンジャー. They looks so clean to me.
Getting there slowly but surely. Finally finished digimon surivive and am about to get boddied by Yakuza 0.
I WAS GETTING TO IT b***h
LEAVE ME ALONE
Only started using anki 2 weeks ago
Bow.
I gave VNs a rest. I was too slow.
Now I'm watching jdramas instead
>OP pic
I thought this was gonna be a Mii/Miitopia thread
Tomodachi Life or Miitopia sequel when?
im learning japanese
精液!おいしい!
How the frick do you drink Spirit Liquid??
that's a very selective interpretation of that kanji
YOU're GAY
im learning javanese
I learned english without ever studying. I'll do the same with japanese.
same anon-sama. lets ganbatte anime miru! then we will nihongo dekiru before we know it! omae wa kawaii!!
im virgin
its ok
処女か童貞か。。。?
イエス
I've already learned Japanese. I started with Anki nearly six years ago and have been able to read pretty much fluently for years. I hate when people say shit like "why are you wasting your time doing x?" because it never applies to me. What do you want me to do, learn a third language for some arbitrary reason? Want me to start working out even though I never go outside and don't even want a girlfriend? Want me to start doing nofap even though I don't actually have a porn addiction and am not depressed at all? Same thing with "touch grass", no, I don't want to touch grass. As a kid I was forced to walk miles in the summer every day by a babysitter and I hated it, I don't want to breathe the outside air, it's not pleasing. Thanks for reading my blogpost.
nofap didnt do anything for me. i jack off like crazy now and i still feel the same when i did nofap for a year and a half.
>pretty much fluently
>pretty much
It's perfectly acceptable to learn a language as a hobby.
Self-improvement is never bad, regardless of what it is, or what your reasons are for doing it.
The only people that disagree are coping crab bucket homosexuals, that threads like these are usually full of. See;
>he doesn't know
I hereby revoke your moonrune privileges.
>not spending on your Saturdays relaxing and immersing yourself in Japanese media
Please just give me a videogame easy to read
freem.ne.jp
thanks!
everything there looks like AI slop
Wrong.
no you
>鏡ノ悪魔
This one looks unexpectedly interesting, but for some reason, it gives me The Witch's House vibes.
The original Pokémon, since they're for kids it's just kana, which helps your listening ability too when not relying on kanji as a crutch
>kana soup
It's a pain to read if you ask me.
It is, but it helps since not all media uses kanji for every other word, even stuff that's not just for kids.
>not using kanji helps
You're only hurting yourself that way. If you can help it, you use texthookers, OCR, lookup by radical, handwriting input, anything.
No more than 10 seconds per card. 5 if you can help it.
Remember, they're called FLASHcards; Anki is for priming and recognizing shit. It won't teach you to use words.
unityroom.com
also not replying to above, but anyone who wants to start in japanese for reading, this is how I did 800 kanji and 2000 vocab words in 2 years with ~30 mins ~100 cards daily (BAD PROGRESS, but I'm so fricking lazy I don't even watch anime or watch JP content, driven only by untranslated JP games)
IME (type in jap)
yomichan (browser hover over dictionary, use suggested dict's on the website for vocab + frequency + kanji + pitch)
I use anki for small disposable decks, mainly audio listening decks, and I use renshuu for my main deck. I don't like renshuu but it's kanji dictionary is something I have grown onto, the fact it removes furigani on known kanjis, and I can use yomichan for more info, I just can't use anki (if you are willing to pay, there is bunpro, but I don't know if bunpro has a similar kanji dict).
Renshuu is dogshit though, don't use multiple choice, think of the answer before looking at the options, if you don't know the answer without looking at the options, skip (0 or enter to skip, 1-3 to answer), also since I don't do sentence decks, I need to read the example sentence (and add unknown words from the sentence to my deck).
With renshuu, the UI is not intuitive, some decks are buggy, you will figure out things you wish you knew sooner, and it has a premium membership that has some locked content (like listening decks), but ALL that I do, is read Japanese, find word I don't know, add the word to my deck (it will be queued in, since i'm adding like 20 words in some sessions, I only add like 20 new cards a week to my deck, so I have a huge backlog), then after the word becomes too easy, I then learn the kanji.
Personally sentance decks are better than vocab decks, but after like 2000 words and few hundred kanji's you can just read kid japanese stories (you cannot learn with only decks, you need to apply), and my anki listening deck is also a sentence deck.
I don't know grammar well, I think I gotta start now, curedolly/taekim.
*i forgot to emphasis, it's ALL ABOUT THE MESH.
You learn Kanji for the words you already know,
You learn words that use the same kanji that you already know
You read sentences with the words and kanji you already know.
It's all about optimizing your mesh, you can be as lazy as me and still gain progress (and I straight up used to do 30 cards a day or none and have a deck with 500+ cards needing review).
cool shit
ダントラ
My first read was 闇の声, very easy.
Yokai Watch on either 3DS or Switch, even has a game script online.
anything with furigana or game scripts available is a good start
Easy vidya and intermediate vidya are barely any different. You just haven't done enough reps.
はなひら is super easy but boring as frick. Could also pick something from this https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18vCgQHhBNBeRJdcTcyUi2Atq-nAapQW--33qrwl5Yfw/edit#gid=0
>はなひら
>e-girl protagonist
Sounds interesting as frick!
gotta try level two from the spread sheet
thanks anon
Im going to try with アマツツミ because of the imouto, thanks
screenshot in case someone is scared of glowies
I’ve already mowed the lawn and driven to the gas station to buy Red Bull
can we get back to topic so jannies don't nuke the thread? what games?
>tfw slacked off for months
>start doubting myself again, thinking i'm too old to learn anything new
>目標 comes up in my reviews immediately
is it a sign?
i wish i just did core 2.3k starting out, i would have finished before burning out on reps, i only do 2 new cards a day at this point and can't bring myself to mine during immersion out of dread of having to do more reps.
Weak. At that point, I was doing 100-150 new cards per day.
How?
By just doing it. Removing quitting as an option. You do possess free will, I presume? Use it.
Cramming isn't fun. Just focus on reading for now so you find the learning fun again. I burnt out on Anki three different times in the past because it just killed my motivation to learn.
How do you guys deal with having 100+ anki cards to review? Don't you get bored?
>Don't you get bored?
No.
Get into a rhythm with it, make it a habit. I review usually around 160 - 200 cards per day, including new cards, and I just make sure it's the first thing I do in the morning. It's not particularly fun compared to immersion, but it makes your learning so much more efficient that it's absolutely worth it to just get it out of the way.
Also, getting it out of the way in the morning means you don't forget, and it doesn't hang over you for the rest of the day. Some days it sucks, some days you breeze through with no problems, but usually it's somewhere in between where it's just "not too bad".
I learn better via application, should I try reading shit?
Yes, you definitely should. Sticking to just Anki to learn isn't a good idea. People usually recommend Yotsubato! as a good beginner manga. It's what I used and it's definitely a good jumping in point in my opinion, but feel free to branch out and try other franchises if you want, whatever makes you want to stay engaged with the language. It will be really tough at first but if you push through it only ever gets easier and easier.
Is there anything of similar level that's less slice of life?
That's pretty tough, I actually don't read much manga.
Out of the ones I have read a bit of, I can probably recommend Sailor Moon (though don't go nuts trying to understand the handwritten panels when they show up) and Kodomo no Jikan, although the latter is a lot more slice of life. I don't know much about it but maybe Pokemon Adventures?
Otherwise, if you don't like the sound of those, if you like 2D Metroidvanias Rabi-Ribi isn't terribly difficult from what I've played of it, although there's no furigana so that may be tough. Same case for Ghost Trick: Phantom Detective, I played this very early on and had a good (although lengthy) time completing it. I learned a lot in the process. I maybe wouldn't have this be the very first thing you read, though.
Really, anything you're interested in is worth a try. Bonus if it has furigana at the stage you're at so you can look it up more easily.
I break it up instead of doing everything at once. Do some on the way to work, some at lunch, on the way home, etc.
I spent about 2 to 2.5 hours on Anki every day learning Kanji. I've set my limit to 100 and I write everything I learn and review down. It helps a lot to physically write everything down so you better remember. That's why I'm fine with spending so much time on it. Because I'm learning effectively.
I forgot to mention, but I also prepare albums to listen to before starting my daily session. So I have something new to listen to every day.
>I've set my limit to 100
Yeah, you're not going to make it.
Your discouragement will not work troony. have a nice day YWNBAW
>losing my brain elasticity
>tired all the time
It's too late...
wait what PC program are you guys using
How do you mean? I use many programs every day.
It's one called Retroarch. Really great catalog and plays a wide variety of games.
>Graduated with a BA in Japanese
>Proceed to not touch the language all summer
I just can't stop fricking myself over
I don't think you're gonna lose three years of learning over a summer
Become a certified translator (read: not a pozcalizer) and do all your brothers on Ganker justice. がんばれ、期待してるよ
Learning a language is a waste of time t-b-h
I say this as someone who learned Japanese, Korean, and Chinese
All those countries have adapted English into their culture. It's useless
Write a few sentences in Japanese expressing this thought.
A moron like you could never learn anything.
I did my reps and new cards, that's enough.
I need a break from immersion because japanese manga and tv are awful.
I can't wait til i'm better so i can read actual books and ditch this teenage crap content for good.
ive been studing for a month and havent even learned kana yet. tbh kana and kanji is a scam and waste of time unless you plan on reading, romanji is good enough to watch anime and vtubers
you can learn hiragana and katakana in an afternoon
>ive been studing for a month and havent even learned kana yet
>vtubers
Ah, so you're clinically moronic, I see your problem
To be fair I work an 8 to 5 job and the last thing I want to after working is to work for another maybe 2 hours for study and then be too tired to play any video games
vtubers are great immersion 2bh especially if theyre playing a game youve already finished
Ive been studying for 3 years and still cant completely remember the kana or the gana.
I hate to sound like a dick but you should quit now for your own sake
IHATEANKIHATEANKIHATEANKIIHATEANK IHATEANKIHATEANKIHATEANKIIHATEANKI
Aren't these examples about you? Yeah, I'm pretty sure that's you, Anon!
Of course not, I've never actually tried to ask a girl out
How many times have you picked up and dropped japanese? I have about 10 times in the past 12 years. still remember trying to use my japanese coach on the ds so I can play hg/ss
Every time past like the 4th, I thought "this is it this is what all the failures before were leading up to i know enough this time to not lose interest or get too difficult and drop it"
But it still happened anyway
I need amphetamines
4 times I think? The longest was about a month and half, read tae kim and did anki but skipped a lot of days. This time I've been at it for almost half a year and has actually started reading, and haven't skipped Anki once. I might be coping but I feel like I'll really make it this time.
Twice, though I'd only been learning for about 3-4 months. But I was going so fast and burned myself out. Now on the third attempt, I've stuck with it for two years, but going very slow.
I did heisig like twice, read genki 1 like 15 times, did various anki decks, all in a span of 8 years.
Then last year I started reading shit and improved a little (enough to barely pass the n2 according to random internet tests)
I truly think most people are better off just consooming more native content than arguing about learning methods. Especially if you are at the stage where you know kana, basic grammar, and some common kanji, you can make insane gains by reading for a few hours daily. Put in ~300 hours to read 5 VNs and 10 LNs and things you used to struggle with will almost magically start making sense. Even if your anki settings are shit, you're lazy with grammar study, you forget words, you're not 100% comprehending certain phrases, just keep consooming.
t. can confidently read physical books after 2 years and ~1000 hours
You're telling me the best way to learn Japanese isn't arguing on /djt/ all day about whether I should do half an hour or an hour of anki a day?
Of course. These threads are essentially pointless and are just for crab bucket mentalities or "I know more than you".
I'll let you in on a secret
These discussions is procrastination for people that would never do that anyway
But at least someone who is more action oriented can derive benefit from these back and forth about optimization and choose a more optimal method of study otherwise. Maybe. Well, hopefully it helps someone even if it helps none of us who are doing the discussion
Shut the FRICK up, I did my anki and I read 30 minutes of a web novel today, that's GOT to be SOMETHING!
I really don't know what I should be doing...
I'm probably gonna get my hair cut tomorrow, would have done it today but I didn't wash it last night.
Maybe I'll go to the weeb arcade afterwards, I don't know why but for some reason I still have a little bit of optimism in me that I'll meet a cute girl out there.
Also sent in an application the other day to a bowling league, but they haven't gotten back to me. Haven't bowled in over a decade now, but I miss the old days when me and my dad bowled together.
Otherwise I'm just existing, I'm supposed to get a promotion in a few weeks and with that I'm going to buy myself a new car that'll come in a few months. And I'm just really waiting for that, even though it won't make a difference and my life will be just as empty once it arrives.
1. What kind of car are you gonna buy?
2. If that wasn't in a zoo or something similar it would be one of my favorite webms
C8 Corvette, basically just offsets my promotion since combined with the down payment my monthly pay will basically be net 0, with whatever the increase in gas and insurance will be.
I just wanted something nice and fun, and not just a plastic commuter I've been using for the past 12 years. It's a bad financial decision but I want to the nice car out of my system before I hopefully find a wife and have kids, and have to drive SUVs everywhere.
It does look sick.
I think it's just trying to intimidate the cameraman because that's what adult elephants do.
I... was talking about the Covette.
I guess you could say that the subject was implied, much like the wa particle in Japanese. Because as it turns out every language shares some implicit understanding of subject matter and people just tend to overthink it in Japanese due to the wa particle existing.
Just cut your own hair gaylord I've been doing it for years and it's way easier to do and way harder to frick up than you think
Well, I really just want a 2nd opinion. I've had long hair most of my life and want to get it to a relatively short length, but not shaved.
Thinkin of one of those Korean cuts, since I'm Asian, but want to run it past someone who isn't a complete moron before I get a haircut that makes me look like an autist.
>いこう
>it either means "let's go" or "to rest"
Makes perfect sense
>rest
>means to sit down and a remainder of something
Makes perfect sense
touché
"I'm down" is just appropriated ebonics though
That's just slang.
I was actually slacking before I saw this thread, I'll finish my dailies, and watch anime/Gaki no Tsukai before sleep.
ありがとアノン氏
>Gaki no Tsukai
Based, I use that for immersion too
>immersion
Don't you guys think this word is being overused at this point?
No? That's what it is, immersing yourself in the language.
Just say play vidya. Much less buzzword-y.
Also, try kanken games.
where do I even start learning? I've watched a bit of namasensei but im clueless
>learn kana from whatever source
>do some basic grammar (tae kim, cure dolly, genki)
>start doing anki
>when you feel ready (usually somewhere around 1-2k words) start reading
>start mining vocab
for stuff like listening and output, just do when you feel ready
I drew porn.
So, how do you know when you really "understand" grammar?
Like, how do you know you're "properly" reading/understanding something?
>doing language exchange with a nip
>realize how nightmare tier english pronunciation is
Be glad you aren't an ESL and can naturally intuit all of this language's moronic nuances.
I've been slacking off all summer, tomod8. It doesn't help that I had no motivation to start with. There's no goal for me to work towards anymore. Maybe when work starts up again, I'll pick 富江 back up and try learning some new vocab.
You have 0.5 seconds to explain the difference
窓は開いている。
窓は開けてある。
living and not living
like downies have to learn in school
First one uses an intransitive verb + passive, and it implies it's "just open." Probably opened on its own.
Second one uses a transitive verb + aru, and it implies it was deliberately opened by someone (and left open).
>verb + passive
meant verb + iru.
Was thinking of 書かれている vs 書いてある when I wrote that.
*slowclap*
Very detailed. I would've accepted a much shorter answer. I was just thinking:
The window is open
The window has been opened / was opened / has been left open
>see the value of learning another language, primarily for functional benefits
>too lazy
Find a language that's fun to learn. It becomes another hobby just like video games.
i dont know any language that's fun to learn, they all take effort. nothing comes naturally for me and nothing becomes 'fun', life is work
You don't think video games are somewhat challenging but fun?
video games really dont appeal to me anymore. nor does anything really. i just sit infront of my screen and time just passes.
Sounds like depression, m8.
that would explain why everything is lifeless to me for a while now
Not normal to feel like that if you can't find a identify a logical reason for being down. Might wanna get that looked at. Can't tell how bad you are but clinical depression is no joke.
At least you have plenty of cute animal pics.
thank you i take pride in saving and posting the best cat pics
how do i know if its clinical? i just want to feel hope towards the future again and dont mind the struggle in learning something new
>how do i know if its clinical?
I'm not expert but I think clinical depression can actually be tested for. Like there's evidence there that they can look at. Some chemical inbalance and brain wave patterns are off.
Everyone feels sad at some point in their life. Sometimes for good reasons too. Or they have a midlife crises and question life choices, aren't happy with their jobs maybe. That shit is normal.
But clinical depressions are different. They come on like panic attacks for no logical reason and can't reach dangerous intensity and durations where people start having suicial thoughts and shit like that. That's when a doctor needs to be consulted bc it's a real sickness and they fricking have pills to make it better. Problem is once someone is down they often don't even want to be better anymore they're so depressed. No energy to do anything anymore.
You said you wanna be better. So maybe talk to someone.
I finished 6 light novels this month, b***h. Haunt me no more.
>play game
>is hard, give up
>come back the next day
>understand
this keeps happening and I don't get it but I am not complaining
your brain is pretty much solving the problem as you sleep. there's a process in learning where you 'deadlock' yourself into doing something a certain way because you only think about the problem in one manner, and that impacts your physical performance. happens to everyone, thats why einstien did a lot of walks to break that cycle. it's backed up by neuroscience or some shit. happens to me when i was learning an instrument.
The problem of Japanese is the scuffed, broken, overcomplicated alphabet they refuse to change.
Even Korea had a recent grammar rework that made their language way less polluted, same with China.
>inb4 mad cuz bad
Some studies even show to NATIVE Japanese, struggle and take way more time to learn their own language, specially writing it, because of how overcomplicated it is.
Their children literally lose years of their lifes learning a rusty language, time that could have been allocated to literally anything else, including learning more useful things.
If your own natives struggle learning your shit, is time to rethink what are you doing.
>好色一台男
lewd
>The Life of an Amorous Man
>Dude just be a total degenerate, since the Buddha said nothing is real anyway! Indulge in literally every vice possible, that's what life is really all about!
Nips wrote a bunch of shit like this, it's revolting. Their glorification of prostitutes with how they constantly make favorable depictions of their "pleasure districts" has been going on for centuries now
I kinda stopped because of this, but mainly because their society is extremely xenophobic still and it isn't going to change soon.
When the Quarantine happened, people who lived there for 30, 40 even 50+ years, who built families and helped the economy building business and creating jobs there were still treated like tourists who couldn't come back to Japan.
I then realized I don't even like weeb shit that much, most of the stuff I like is already translated, so I'm working to learn German to learn some shit in their native language and travel there once again ( 1 year and half in, can listen/write well, but need to improve speaking and listening ) and maybe learn Portuguese in the future, since living in Brazil is mad cheap for people who receive in USD, and their culture is the opposite, they won't make you feel like an intrunder and will treat you nice.
The amount of effort it takes to learn Japanese just to consume weeb media seems kinda pointless, but Gankernons who will never ever even visit Japan, let alone live there, but want to consume weeb media, I guess it is worth for them.
it's her character
she pretends to be moronic
that's like using xQc as an example english people don't know english
Cope.
>pretends
Why would having terrible japanese be a characterization of hers when her literal audience is japanese?
I never heard an english stream use broken english outside of ESL streamers.
Same. If I ever learn some new language will prob be Korean since my girlfriend loves watching doramas and this kind of k-pop garbage... Also Koreans are the cutest Asian girls
I sometimes think I like and want to learn Korean; then I see couples wearing matching outfits and hear them whining and genuinely sounding like toddlers and I decide Japanese is enough.
>The problem of Japanese is the scuffed, broken, overcomplicated alphabet they refuse to change
shit bait. if you want more people to bite try onomatopoeia and nuances between words (によって, を介して, で, を通じて, 経由, etc.) next time.
>alphabet
stopped reading there, you have no idea what you're talking about
This. If people who get to hear input 24/7 even when they were a fetus struggle, why the frick would I invest so much effort and time into learning this shit?
So I can COOMSOOM more garbage? If anything I want to play less games and be more productive.
this is why manga is so popular
not very many words and most are easy to understand
>not very many words
It's a matter of getting used to reading long-form texts. As you read, you build more 'stamina' and can handle reading for progressively longer periods.
>most are easy to understand
Uh, ackshually characters often come with weird verbal tics, you run across outdated, old-fashioned ways of speaking, you see words no one uses in daily conversation like 美人局(つつもたせ), etc.
>gatekeep japanese from the japanese
How does this even work? If you're a native then you don't need to learn it.
I think he's trying to say that kanji is difficult even for the Japanese, and that in defending its inclusion in the Japanese language, you're trying to gatekeep Japanese even from the Japanese.
Moonrunes are in my vidya so you need to learn them period. Whether they ditch them now or in the future is a moot point.
>Language filter retaded mutts and 2digits IQ morons
>Amerimutt: Well you see japan, you need to make it easier so we can learn it and get your country pozzed
Americans are really funny
i mean i just do that 7 days a week thanks to taxpayers bucks. i wouldnt of known it was saturday if you hadnt of mentioned it
Watching anime with japanese subs has been working pretty well for me.
What are fun languages to learn? Chinese? Korean? Japanese?
they all suck its just stockholm syndrome
>registering to take jlpt for the first time
>can't decide if i should do n4 or n3
This was less stressful when I was just self studying for fun.
neither. only n1 matters
I'm definitely not ready for N1 and I wanna get comfortable with the testing environment first. But yeah, neither matters for shit, so I should just pick one and deal with the result.
I would just take some practice tests and save yourself the $100 until you're ready to take a test that can actually benefit you
What are the most accurate ones? Some of the ones I've done seem really outdated/limited.
I'll be honest with you. Don't do it. JLPT isn't really worth taking until N2. Mainly because N2 allows you to enroll as an exchange student for language programs at Jap university. N1 you need if you want a job.
Makes you wonder why lower certifs are even offered. Money, I guess.
Should I take N2 bros? I have a minor in Japanese and have done 10k cards in anki and finished multiple games.
If you want the certification for something, sure. Otherwise, it's not really worth it. Just take some pactice exams online or in prep textbooks.
>Oh, you think because it's saturday you can just jack off all day or something? Is that what you're gonna do?
yes
sometimes i feel like the effort is pointless and sometimes i have unreal surges of motivation and tonight i'm not sure which one it is
どっちも要らん
I love these
I slacked off yesterday, today is for panickedly doing all the shit I should have been doing yesterday.
>be ESL
>all guides are in english
>need to translate from english -> native tongue -> japanese in my head for the grammar to make intuitive sense
Suffering.
ESL here.
I learned English to read old american comics, tv series and movies then switched to Japanese.
My suggestion is to focus on English until you can read books and watch movies + tv series without subs, then go for Japanese.
Hey hey hey I did my anki and watched an unsubbed anime episode today
need comfy ps1/ps2 games for immersion
hit me with those suggestions
Saru Get You (aka Ape Escape)
Saiyuki (PS1, SRPG)
Breath of Fire III
Digimon World: Digital Card Battle (the nip-only predecessor) and Digimon World: Digital Card Arena
Rockman DASH (aka Mega Man Legends)
Final Fantasy vidya
Dragon Quest vidya
The .hack// series was pretty fun.
Boku no Natsuyasumi
That reminds me: Apparently the devs for this got together and made a spiritual successor to the series: Natsu-mon. Watching a good 20-ish minute gameplay video played via RyujiNX, I could actually understand a good majority of the Japanese spoken, despite only having devoted around a year of proper work in studying the language. It could be a nice import for Switch owners.
Final Fantasy IX
kore.
Pure pure mimi to shippo no monogatari
It's on archive
I haven't properly studied in years but I did jerk off to some untranslated porn today. That's praiseworthy, right?
Sex with Japanese women.
based
For me, it's every single one of them.
God, the one in red is so short. IMAGINE.
結構です。
ゲイ
Reminder you can be fully fluent in 5 languages in the same amount of time as only Japanese
But I don't want to be fluent in 5 other languages.
何も知らんくせに
This is how I feel every time I see this smug b***h on the catalogue. As someone with basically no interest in weebshit, sell it to me. Why should I learn Japanese? Why do I feel so mocked by this girl every time she is posted?
figure it out yourself moron
No. Spoonfeed me you little b***h. Why should I learn Japanese?
not my problem
Do it if you want to. Don't do it if you don't want to. There's nothing more to say about it.
Ok. I don't care for the Japanese so I won't learn their language. Thank you for answering my question.
always get a hearty 笑い from seeing anons trying to gatekeep japanese from the japanese
下を見てご覧
すぐそこにあるよ
I did my reps. Too depressed to read+mine anything, so I'm back on the 6k deck for now.
>duolingo was already piss easy
>now they basically removed kanji too and everything except the most basic shit is all hiragana
how in the frick do people justify using this trash
is it really just
>daily number go up because I did a 2 minute """"lesson""""
????
>is it really just
>daily number go up because I did a 2 minute """"lesson""""
Yes. When people ask you how you learned a language they are really hoping you will tell them you never used a textbook and just fricked off and magically learned. Duolingo gives them that illusion.
yea the site's entire purpose is to make you feel good from the addictive game-like aspects of watching your number go higher on the leaderboard instead of actually learning
The most successful language learning apps are the ones that keep you an eternal beginner. That way they ensure a neverending revenue stream. It's kind of like ~~*cloud gaming*~~.
Just fire up your favorite game in nip and play it. Even a simple game with just a few menu screens in Japanese helps.
People don't know any better because it's a popular source to learn Japanese. Duolingo are like those Japanese textbooks. It's a good source to learn basic stuff like letters and common words but you won't get far with the complicated stuff. What makes people continue to use that platform are the little achievements you get, which, in hindsight, isn't a bad idea because it can be a good motivator, but again, a waste of time.
Yeah duolingo shit, ok, what app am i supposed to use then?
How do I get to step 3?
Be born Japanese.
You marry a qt nip girlfriend who teaches you moon every day after work.
>he thinks his Japanese wife will have any contact with him after marriage
lmao, but on the bright side at least he'll get enough pocket money to buy convenience store fried chicken a few times a month
No puroburemu, just get a Japanese husbando instead.
Slack off and watch vtubers. I did my reps leave me alone
>still cant into names
wtf is wrong with my brain
Some are just nonsense, anon. Some parents decide on kanji first and then force a pronunciation on it.
thank christ I thought I was missing a good chunk of IQ
No one can into names. Whenever there's a name list, expect kana to accompany every single name.
Even if you take a look at all the nanori readings (the ones used for people names), there's no way to tell which one to use.
Use an anki deck like Core 2k or whatever.
Do Tae Kim's Grammar Guide.
Play/read shit.
If you need a dictionary use Kanji Study or Takoboto (Android), or set up Yomichan (web browser extension).
>Learn Japanese just in time for them to be fully Americanized and ESG'd
Nah I think I'll pass. Why couldn't the USA have ESG'd a gay Asian country like Korea?
I already got my N1 over 9 years ago. I'm free and near fluent. You have no power over me.
>9 years ago
where you lurking on Ganker by any chance?
I've been on Ganker since 2006 and Gankerused to be my main board, yes. Never posted about my moonspeak there though. Keep at it, friend. We can all make it of we just stick with it.
what would you prioritize learning for someone who knows 60 kanji in wanikani?
I don't know what wanikani is but get a textbook. I used the minna no nihongo series.
please help me
the vocabulary just wont stick and with 200 vocabs i can barely read shit
>with 200 vocabs i can barely read shit
add 2 more zeroes on that and you've reached your current language vocab level.
dont forget what it feels like to even read at 95%:
https://allthingslinguistic.com/post/155043761501/what-80-comprehension-feels-like
give it to me straight doc
do you *really* need to learn how to write kana/kanji properly
Do you currently or eventually plan to live in Japan?
5 years is plenty if you're actually taking it seriously. Age doesn't really matter as long as you are learning every day.
i'll visit as a tourist for sure but live there? frick no. i'm black
Then don't bother with writing. You don't need it
>being half-literate
why is handwriting considered hard? you can guess the stroke orders for moonrunes around 98% of the time just by following basic stroke order rules + paying attention to the parts
t. can write shit like 鬣, 髑髏, 蠟燭, 爨, 躊躇う, 鑿, 龜, etc. from memory
Then writing is not a priority. You can learn fine without it. Still, it might be helpful to look into the different ways characters can be written because you will see them in different forms. Beginners are sometimes confused when they see さ written with three strokes for example because they only learned the one version.
by taking it seriously, what do you mean?
i want to get pronunciation but talking to a japanese person is so difficult. i got one on italki and he was so old and i couldn’t understand him in english at all, and i felt alienated in general because i felt i knew so little, and i felt extremely embarrassed. i started 3 weeks ago or a month.
>by taking it seriously, what do you mean?
Actually studying and using the language everyday, not giving up and restarting every few months like people who say they've been learning for years but never got anywhere.
i mentally decided even if somehow next month they said japanese is dead and every alive who knew it died i would still learn it, im not going to be a loser quitter and have a form “im gonna learn X!!!!” and stop after a few months, not for this at least.
i just don’t wanna form bad habits, the reason i got a tutor was to ask him where he puts his tounge for the sounds or the mouth, but i think he was to old to understand
in the lesson i found out i cannot say e from a high to low pitch and it was eye opening how my mouth isn’t able to speak it yet, that’s why i wanted to form good habits
do you know what i should be doing or what resource i can use for that?
fotm*
>do you know what i should be doing or what resource i can use for that?
Yeah watch part 1 and 2:
then if you want to form good habits on production, look into 'shadowing'
you will improve with time
>but talking to a japanese person is so difficult. i got one on italki and he was so old and i couldn’t understand him in english at all
you start from comprehension first, not production.
talking to others is production.
producing language is an order of magnitude harder for the brain to do than just reading or listening.
you're far better off learning how to read, and then read fast, before attempting to produce.
>you start from comprehension first, not production.
You're not wrong, but active skills have are developed separately (e.g. writing a casual email, writing a conversation). If all you do is listen to and read shit you won't be able to produce anything in real time.
>but active skills have are developed separately
>have are
Just because I suck at proofreading doesn't mean
Try Wikipedia's Japanese phonology page?
A lot of sounds in nip are identical to Spanish's, excepting a bunch (b, d, u, z, sh, ch, じ and ぢ (very few places draw the distinction anymore), g (sometimes sounds like hard g, other times it's nasalized), h and f)
>Just because I suck at proofreading doesn't mean
>tfw if i learned spanish i would have had a easier time learning japanese instead of ignoring it despite being an amerimutt
Very true. I barely talked to anyone irl for 10+ months through covid and it felt like I could barely talk to other humans even though texting friends was fine. Really wanted to die when that hit me.
i’m 20 and i hope by 25 i can get half fluent. is that realistic? is 20 a good age than most to start learning if i keep doing it at a consistent and advancing pace?
yeah 5 years is fine if you attempt to read as soon as possible and your only goal is comprehension(reading, listening)
and not production(speaking, writing)
Yeah it's realistic if you work at it seriously and consistently and don't burn out after a few weeks which is what'll probably happen.
If you can break through the beginner plateau and get to the point where you can consume media you're interested in you'll make it.
didn’t update before i sent my post. i’m not going to do that, even if i burn out i’m going to do it
i wish i could say that in a way that didn’t spell out the opposite, but i promise.
That's what everyone says, but good luck.
protip i never did until way too late
>mine the sentence along with the word
so you can put it in context.
Ganker bro here. Why are y’all wasting your youth playing video games? Go outside, get a girlfriend, travel the world, go to a concert, just do something besides staring at a screen all day damn it.
post your body if you want us to take you seriously
shut up frogposter
I did. Now I'm in Japan with my Japanese spouse next to me as I play video games.
yes
>anki 2k/6k
i could barely stand 100 vocabs, how the frick i do this 20x without dying of boredom?
You do short sessions every day.
It's Sunday in the far east.
>wtb かわいい dinosaur waifu
>graaaahhh
Kawaii
>gaaahhh
its sunday and im hungover frick off
I dropped 3 years of "progress".
Been trying to learn this damn language off and on again for 15 years now. One of these days my willpower won't fail me
I've been on and off for 3 years. I can now read yotsuba to! without a dictionary (maybe except very rarely)