Doctors Without Borders ran migrant ferry ships between Africa and Europe - that said, at least they do other decent work. As opposed to the winter cancer charity, which does basically nothing to help treat cancer and just enriches the exec employees of the charity
I find it cool from that angle but at the same time I was wondering "what the frick is this" while watching the stream since I didn't knew it was suppose to be a romhack.
“Mod” means they modify the actual cartridge and the data therein, or the actual console to insert new data when it detects certain data from the console.
This is not a mod. They inserted everything they did with arbitrary code execution.
I also don't get it. The remote code execution through the controller ports, which is the interesting part about this, has been showcased multiple times already. I wish they had the balls to showcase some Nintendo 64 scat porn instead.
The interesting part about this (to me) was seeing them use nothing but ACE to assemble something that looked and felt so close to official, when even full-on mods often fail at that. It almost felt like seeing the rumors you used to be able to read about online play out.
>The remote code execution through the controller ports, which is the interesting part about this, has been showcased multiple times already.
Correct, but it's only been shown in small and obvious ways (e.g. using it to skip to the end of the game) and not in a way that shows off the full potential of being able to write your own code to the game. By using a TAS to input the thousands upon thousands of lines of code for the player, it can effectively make a rom hack in real time, and do anything a talented programmer could want (see being able to pull the live chat feed and put it into the game.) The impressiveness doesn't come from it being just RCE, the impressiveness comes from being able to show just how much RCE can really do.
>but it's only been shown in small and obvious ways and not in a way that shows off the full potential of being able to write your own code to the game
except it was. 8 years ago, lol.
>By using a TAS to input the thousands upon thousands of lines of code for the player, it can effectively make a rom hack in real time
But it's just replaying what was input over likely 100s of hours. It's like claiming a player piano is a robot learning to play the piano in real time....not really true
If you wanted a plain presentation or just a wiki dump about the topic there are hundreds already out there. This isn't newly discovered stuff. I like that for the show they filled in the gaps and even added some extra stuff at the end to make something new out of the unused content
GDQ was also a big party where people got together to have fun and that fun also translated towards people donating.
Nowadays everyone and everything is too afraid to have any fun of any kind. No one can say "bad words", no one can have any "wrong think", you can't make suggestive jokes anywhere, not even on your donation text. It's a leftist paradise.
Is this the gay who wrote a speedrunning retirement letter and then said he was retiring from GDQs so others could get in?
Sounded pretty far up his own ass
I know this is a total nonsequitir, but I love that “break a game so fricking hard you can drop your own code into it via inputs” has a cool acronym like ACE. Actually good shortenings are hard.
How many people here even remembers the Triforce rumor mill and all those bullshit methods of trying to get to it? That was mostly a thing started on the internet in the late 90s and probably died out into the early to mid 2000s.
Why is it that Ocarina of Time specifically inspired all this? Is it just because the game being 3D inspired us and made us feel like anything really could be out there?
It's because most kids saw the blank indent with the triforce and since everything else with an indent would be filled with items, >we assumed it meant it was possible somehow, some way to get the triforce as well. And so 6 gorillion That Kid stories began to happen and everyone kept saying NO GUISE THIS IS HOW YOU GET THE TRIFORCE. Lasting until dataminers who finally broke the game open killed off that until the Gigaleak happened.
This whole Beta/Triforce% run was loved because it finally fulfilled that one bit of autism we all had as kids wishing to actually get the triforce in OoT.
It was the first grand 3D adventure game. If that was one of your first games as a kid then it set a really high bar. And the game lends to a lot of imagination with its emphasis on destiny and myths. The triforce was like a religious artifact so it was fun to speculate on how to find it.
It is basically the Zelda universe's holy grail, in both a figurative and literal sense.
I miss being a little kind and think everything was possible, >maybe bombing this wall would open new area >Maybe if I get to this room I can enter through the window of this house
now a days revisiting Ocarina of time is like coming back to that park you used to go as a child and realizing that big castle slope was actually pretty small all along.
As a child, you don't have to try very hard to suspend your disbelief because you don't fully understand the world yet.
So it's easy to think there's something hidden around every corner and that the game is full of secrets you simply haven't found yet - you haven't yet built up the life experience to know that that is almost certainly not the case, that everything worth seeing will be placed directly in your path, that hidden things will be minor easter eggs at best and anything that is hidden on the cartridge, such as beta content, is wildly unfinished and not very fleshed out.
I do miss looking at games and having this mystifying view of them, like you wanted to see 'what was out there.' It turns out, generally there is only so much.
>Ocarina of Time specifically inspired all this
It didn't. Every popular game from the early days of the Eternal September had a massive rumor mill because people had not yet learned to be skeptical about anything they read while clicking through a webring. Pokemon, SM64, hell, even Dragon Warrior Monsters had schizoposters explaining how to synthesize evil eggs.
Hmm. I guess I do remember a lot of rumors floating around about Pokemon in general. It really must just correlate to dumb kids flooding the internet, huh? Shame, it's kind of nostalgic now.
Pokemon is a special example because if something as convoluted and as beneficial as it is dangerous as Missingno. could exist then all bets are off as far as playground rumors are concerned. There's a way to get the guy to stay on the roof of Blaine's gym and talk to him for a secret Pokemon? Frick it, no weirder than learning to catch Pokemon, going for a swim, running into a monstrosity and then having 127 of your sixth item.
Pokemon is a special example because if something as convoluted and as beneficial as it is dangerous as Missingno. could exist then all bets are off as far as playground rumors are concerned. There's a way to get the guy to stay on the roof of Blaine's gym and talk to him for a secret Pokemon? Frick it, no weirder than learning to catch Pokemon, going for a swim, running into a monstrosity and then having 127 of your sixth item.
Pokemon is its own can of worms, from the truck that only shows up in that unreachable place that you need to sequence break to get to to the convoluted glitch that requires fly and for some reason activates a fight while leaving lavender town.
That game was a treasure trove of rumors and secrets.
>that you need to sequence break
Though the big gimmick of Pokemon was link cable trading, it is not unheard of to skip the SS Anne because your rich buddy sent you a Pokemon with Cut already before you reach Vermillion.
I still think it's wild that you can catch all 151 by just exploiting the trainer flag data and turning random encounters into what you want.
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Anonymous
For the cut requirement, sure. But you need to be 3/4ths of the way done with the game to surf to the truck.
Also, even the literal >how was I suppose to know to X
cryptic shit in Zelda 1 and 2 or Castlevania would've spawned a bunch of dad-at-Nintendo tier rumors
It's because most kids saw the blank indent with the triforce and since everything else with an indent would be filled with items, >we assumed it meant it was possible somehow, some way to get the triforce as well. And so 6 gorillion That Kid stories began to happen and everyone kept saying NO GUISE THIS IS HOW YOU GET THE TRIFORCE. Lasting until dataminers who finally broke the game open killed off that until the Gigaleak happened.
This whole Beta/Triforce% run was loved because it finally fulfilled that one bit of autism we all had as kids wishing to actually get the triforce in OoT.
No, I understand the basic rumors. I'm just wondering why this kind of thing started in such force with Ocarina of Time.
I would argue that OoT was simply a game that really inspired the imagination. It was early 3D, most people who played it were 8 at the time, and the production values and what the player could do with the gameworld with the limited tech of the time were absolutely through the fricking roof compared to what else was on the market.
It's hard to understate the effect OoT had on people at the time. It's one of the most influential 3D games of all time, second possibly only to Quake or Mario 64.
I've seen bits and pieces of it
Seeing the Hero's Shade clash swords with fricking Ganondorf again was amazing
2 years ago
Anonymous
Everything with the Hero's Shade in particular is great. What a fantastic interpretation of the character.
The mangaka is a GIANT OoT/TP gay and you can really feel it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>hello my descendant be not afraid for I only wish to teach you how to stab things with a sword!
I miss being a little kind and think everything was possible, >maybe bombing this wall would open new area >Maybe if I get to this room I can enter through the window of this house
now a days revisiting Ocarina of time is like coming back to that park you used to go as a child and realizing that big castle slope was actually pretty small all along.
Gotta stop playing games that add in user convenience.
2 years ago
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Elden Ring is kind of what if Ocarina of Time was as expansive and cryptic as the rumor said and you realized how tedious is complete a quest by doing a very specific and counter intuitive set of steps.
What I'm trying to say is that if OoT really was like the rumor said it would be a pretty frustrating game to complete.
2 years ago
Anonymous
The issue is that ER's lore is pretty much all hidden behind item descriptions and cryptic quests. There's nothing out there to pique your interest in the first place. Zelda worked and captured so much attention because the game world felt like there was something more going on under the surface, not like EVERYTHING was going on under the surface.
Also, the navigation being almost entirely basic b***h action gameplay stuff didn't help.
Over half of Ganker is too young to remember not having concrete answers to everything via google. Even back when these websites were up they never contained the full truth, information was too decentralized, and fakes were rare. Back then when someone uploaded a jpg of their tv running what looked like Ocarina of Time with a picture of the "temple of light" on the screen people lost their shit. Nowadays we have fricking deepfakes so nothing at all is trusted.
They used ACE to end every game by using code they injected into SMB3, but they fricked up the ACE and had to use a backup cart. So on one hand you have people who appreciate it for the technical marvel that it was and on the other hand you have people who see it as little more than showing a video of what it would've looked like had the runners not fricked it up. There's your controversy.
It was a very polarizing glitch run, using glitches that were only possible with a modified cart.
While an interesting spectacle it was hardly a speedrun at all and more a TAS.
It also didn't last very long, a whole 11 minutes, so it was hard to hate.
Why the hell is the OoT Beta recreation so low? I can see that the opinions on it are super divided, but why did so many people vote 0? Was it just that bit at the end? The rest of it was great, I'd still easily rate it mid-high at worst.
several reasons >anything TASbot is automatic shit >all the HOYYP and shilling for the run passed it off as all the beta stuff from the gigaleak >opened with inane shit like "this is one of the earliest copies out there, it's unmodified" with the implication that all the beta content was on the cart anyways >as the run goes on it keeps getting backpedaled on the nature of the run >the lines between "content on the cart" to "recreation of known beta content" to "some ancient wanker's he-said-she-said post from 2001 got cited on tvtropes" blurs as the run goes on >mass of normalgays will still think all of that was 100% on the cart and le ebin they/them hacker was able to access it all
if it was honest from the get-go on it NOT being a beta recreation, it would've been better received
I heard the sunshine run had to start over 45 min in, how did it get rated so high?
>what are you going to do about it >uh oh
[...]
it's a great run regardless despite him being a WR holder and fricking up
I should probably just look at the run and find out but what did they do about it? did he just go over time by 45 min?
fell back to getting as many shines as possible, finished under estimate defeating bowser
his mess up actually helped a bit in keeping GDQ on schedule funnily enough
Commentary kept pretending as if everything being shown existed on the cartridge and they ACE'd it only to unlock it, even though anyone in the know-how/read TCRF knew it was bullshit 5min into the run.
What absolute homosexual-tier reasons for rating it low. Bunch of no fun autists in those threads, including you two.
They were insulting the audience's intelligence. It was an entertaining spectacle but they should have just been honest about it. When they started showing off shit that was clearly custom content, such as the beta Kokiri sidequest or talking to Nobooru early, that's when the jig was up and they should have come clean.
Even up to the very end they only half-admitted it was custom content and were very vague on what was actually beta content and what was new.
>anything TASbot is automatic shit
... But I like TASbot. It's a cute idea, at very least, and it was charmingly executed once upon a time. Not much a fan of the new design though, and the people around it are kinda annoying. >all the HOYYP and shilling for the run passed it off as all the beta stuff from the gigaleak
Oh, that's scummy. I don't even see how that'd work, though, logically speaking? Unless they somehow left the content on the cartridge but encrypted it in some weird way we'd only know how to ACE thanks to the leak, which suffers from being way too complex to be probable. >the lines between "content on the cart" to "recreation of known beta content" to "some ancient wanker's he-said-she-said post from 2001 got cited on tvtropes" blurs as the run goes on
I admit I kinda liked this. The run starting out somewhat plausible, constantly touching back on beta content you might recall if you read TCRF or messed with gameshark yourself. For instance, I remembered the butterfly, didn't notice they changed the texture. >mass of normalgays will still think all of that was 100% on the cart and le ebin they/them hacker was able to access it all
Yeah ok that sounds shitty.
The troony's sarcastic comments and giggling really sell it. I can't believe no one told him to shut his fricking mouth - the guy just humiliated himself in front nearly a hundred thousand people.
He continued for the rest of the run, too, calling it out when there was an extra life on screen and making shitty jabs at the runner. Just an absolute c**t, needed his teeth knocked out.
That situation actually became a moment for contemplative reflection for me. If I could somehow see it as just one of his friends on the couch and not a man wearing 40 year old drapes as a dress, would I believe it was so hostile? Would I have such a strong reaction to it? The conclusion I came to is that they weren't playing on the runner's feelings/actions at all and whoever was doing it would be a c**t regardless of 41% status, but it's somehow so much more obnoxious coming from someone trying to squeak out soprano from around an adam's apple.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can just see his shitty AGP smirk behind that mask. Guy just was a dick, provided he hasn't cut it off yet. People like that are just narcissists who don't feel a thing when others are suffering.
2 years ago
Anonymous
That's what I think, too. If the runner was giving any kind of reaction like it was friendly ribbing that he was in on then that would've been different, but Splits McDickens over there either couldn't or wouldn't read the tone of the room and just kept picking away.
2 years ago
Anonymous
its 50% now
2 years ago
Anonymous
wait is it that high?
2 years ago
Anonymous
its 50% now
It was only 42% for "thinking about suicide", which they all say to look more like a victim. The second someone does a real test and learns it's way lower than that for actual committed ones, their house of cards fall.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It's because it makes it more apparent that they're incapable of dropping pretense (in this case, the performance of their gender identity) to empathize with someone who is experiencing what is essentially a nightmare situation. I felt awful for the runner because no one helped him out when he was completely overwhelmed with what happened. Seriously, a staff member should have muted everyone's microphones, physically approached the runner and helped him relax a little bit, and asked him whether there was another, shorter category he could do. Because there was: he's the WR holder for the category he ended up doing. Instead he was on the verge of hyperventilating.
It genuinely pissed me off, and every weird, back-handed comment that commentator made pissed me off more. Why say the level he choked on is easy?
Holy fricking shit just hearing this troony talk makes me so fricking angry. The tone of the voice, the giggling, the smugness you can hear from just the voice all make it over the top irritating. The giggling, awww, and obviously faked sorry is ridiculous.
The giggling aside, the words themselves on paper are fine but man there was zero sympathy there
Commentary kept pretending as if everything being shown existed on the cartridge and they ACE'd it only to unlock it, even though anyone in the know-how/read TCRF knew it was bullshit 5min into the run.
>I do wonder how much of the hackjob for that ACE was only viable to consider doing once that full decomp became available.
I imagine only the setup to read in data from the controls needed the decomp and the twitch integration at the end
the credits mentioning Kaze Emanuar means that a normal ROM hack of (almost) everything is viable, that lad's able to do a ton of crazy shit even without a decomp
I was fooled up until the "show me the future" bit where it was obvious they were going to render an N64 version of BotW. The part where Link could go from adult to child by playing the "full" song of time with the extra buttons seemed pretty real, so did the conversation with Nabooru.
Yeah. Honestly, all of the gameplay additions were super well done and mostly believable. I especially like that the Overture of Sages is clearly meant to have become the Oath to Order.
I might just be a mouthbreathing moron, but if this was just ACE, then how did their seemingly custom textures and recorded voicelines make it into the game purely through TAS inputs
You can manipulate ANY piece of data literally at will via ACE. A N Y. They probably just overwrote textures and sound files that were never used within the run.
entirely [HEADCANON], but I imagine it goes like: >SRM to setup a simple routine >said routine converts inputs from controllers 2 through 4 into raw bytes into MIPS instructions + RAM data >each segment gets fed specific instructions + data as needed over the run seamless
he mentions after the SRM setup that TASbot's still connected to the other controllers, so even with a limited bandwidth you can pad out the time needed to encode data through controller inputs as the showcase goes on
note how SRM has been possible for quite some time, but this only cropped up after the OoT decompilation finished
While I found the whole process of how the did it more interesting that the execution I think it would be neat if someone put this kind of content on a rom along with the vanilla game and just let some curious player discover it for themselves.
I don't understand this event. Apparently this was unmodded but they connected the N64 to a mod and there was BOTW models and shit? How is this not a modded copy? Whats so special about this?
I watched it and the annoying guy who wouldn't stfu kept harping on "this is all original, this is playing on unmodded console with an original cartridge" I knew something was up.
It's like he was saying they got an original copy of Moby Dick, insisted nobody had yet changed the text, then proceeded to give it to a computer that wrote an extra chapter at the end of the book really fast.
woooow
So did they make a romhack, somehow transcribe the data into inputs, then have a TAS basically run it byte by byte? If that's the case, I'm still confused about how they got real time twitch integration into an "unmodified" N64 and cart.
Was it realtime, or did they just feed in whatever twitch viewers were present at the time of the injection and render them later with some random variations of the catchphrase?
There was a pause as they waited for the chat messages to come in, wasn't there? Theoretically they had some program fetch the messages and convert them into texture data for the game, which was then fed into TASbot as it continued to reprogram the code.
Either that or they just used their list of subscribers to prepare the data beforehand - it would work since their chat is sub-only
>been wanting to make a run for gdq >wanted to showcase some development build or prototype shit >routed, practiced it, etc >its not a game anyone has ever heard of (within reason) >checked the rules about submissions >they aint allowed supposedly unless i can make a really good case somehow >since i have 0 following i decide its not worth the effort >this gdq happens >fricking beta restoration hack is allowed somehow
aright so what kind of unstable unfinished popular game worth a damn should i pick up and run for gdq
no 41% shit here, i just want an autistic outlet and get banned like the clown i am
>they aint allowed supposedly unless i can make a really good case somehow
You forgot the crucial part where if you are friends with the staff you can get anything you want in. I assume you aren't friends with the staff so it will never happen
i am not friends with trannies anon. and even if i were, i would not be friends with the gdq staff trannies.
even on the off chance that i became friends with spikevegeta (i wont i need to be deaf first) i would still be difficult with their bullshit. i dont have friends, i dont want a couch full of friends and considering the circumstances i dont have any to begin with, i dont want some obnoxious c**t on the mic either. i just wanna run somethin i think is neat and hope people talk about how weird that shit is
Should have pretended to be a T the year they let 50 of them run (poorly).
why are pronouns there
GDQ is a pozzed events that literally funds people traffickers and drug cartels to destroy the west.
What thing(s) specifically
Doctors Without Borders ran migrant ferry ships between Africa and Europe - that said, at least they do other decent work. As opposed to the winter cancer charity, which does basically nothing to help treat cancer and just enriches the exec employees of the charity
>not a single anon posted THAT msf webm
at least the hazbeen trashtel poster returned for a bit
I literally was crying when this happened! Greetings from India, Sirs!!
>"I'M CRYING RIGHT NOW!"
i have a feeling i would've enjoyed this if i was a normalgay, but it just comes out as lame fanwank to me
a robot put in 2 million button press codes and they played through all those custom quests, really cool shit
I find it cool from that angle but at the same time I was wondering "what the frick is this" while watching the stream since I didn't knew it was suppose to be a romhack.
Based as frick
Is this to imply that wokeism is so prevalent and intrusive that it's the reason why we have homosexual shits like pronouns everywhere?
I don't understand why this is a big deal about using an "unmodified game cartridge" when literally everything about the showcase is modified.
“Mod” means they modify the actual cartridge and the data therein, or the actual console to insert new data when it detects certain data from the console.
This is not a mod. They inserted everything they did with arbitrary code execution.
it's a mod because they used a robot to do it lol
I also don't get it. The remote code execution through the controller ports, which is the interesting part about this, has been showcased multiple times already. I wish they had the balls to showcase some Nintendo 64 scat porn instead.
The interesting part about this (to me) was seeing them use nothing but ACE to assemble something that looked and felt so close to official, when even full-on mods often fail at that. It almost felt like seeing the rumors you used to be able to read about online play out.
>The remote code execution through the controller ports, which is the interesting part about this, has been showcased multiple times already.
Correct, but it's only been shown in small and obvious ways (e.g. using it to skip to the end of the game) and not in a way that shows off the full potential of being able to write your own code to the game. By using a TAS to input the thousands upon thousands of lines of code for the player, it can effectively make a rom hack in real time, and do anything a talented programmer could want (see being able to pull the live chat feed and put it into the game.) The impressiveness doesn't come from it being just RCE, the impressiveness comes from being able to show just how much RCE can really do.
>but it's only been shown in small and obvious ways and not in a way that shows off the full potential of being able to write your own code to the game
except it was. 8 years ago, lol.
Should clarify I meant in Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask speedrunning specifically. Snake in Mario is still cool as shit.
Shit I thought that happened in like 2018 not 2014. I remember by 2014 part of Ganker was already calling GDQ soulless by then.
2014 was the beginning of the end, but people hadn't been driven off or banned by then. that happened in 2015 and 2016.
>By using a TAS to input the thousands upon thousands of lines of code for the player, it can effectively make a rom hack in real time
But it's just replaying what was input over likely 100s of hours. It's like claiming a player piano is a robot learning to play the piano in real time....not really true
Yeah, but you don't have to have an everdrive or know how to mod a console/cartridge to play this "romhack".
It was really neat seeing all those beta assets in motion. Most of the writing felt shockingly correct, too.
It's a charity stream showcase, god forbid they up the production value and presentation to make it more entertaining to watch.
>NOOOOO YOU CANT CRITICIZE HECCIN GDQ ITS A CHARITY
frick off frew
If you wanted a plain presentation or just a wiki dump about the topic there are hundreds already out there. This isn't newly discovered stuff. I like that for the show they filled in the gaps and even added some extra stuff at the end to make something new out of the unused content
GDQ was also a big party where people got together to have fun and that fun also translated towards people donating.
Nowadays everyone and everything is too afraid to have any fun of any kind. No one can say "bad words", no one can have any "wrong think", you can't make suggestive jokes anywhere, not even on your donation text. It's a leftist paradise.
Is this the gay who wrote a speedrunning retirement letter and then said he was retiring from GDQs so others could get in?
Sounded pretty far up his own ass
The entire speedrun community at this point exists solely to make Uyama money
This gay also was defending the blatant stalling at the end yesterday too
link?
Here you go.
Thanks I wasn't finding it.
CARLOS!
I know this is a total nonsequitir, but I love that “break a game so fricking hard you can drop your own code into it via inputs” has a cool acronym like ACE. Actually good shortenings are hard.
the "see into the future" crap with the chat was cringe as frick
yeah I liked most of it but that was... bleh. It was funnier when it was just "we'll indiscriminately inject twitch chat into the game"
>Link, this is what the future looks like!
>*spams troony furry avatar emotes*
At least we're not speaking Gerudo, right. fellow Hylians?
How many people here even remembers the Triforce rumor mill and all those bullshit methods of trying to get to it? That was mostly a thing started on the internet in the late 90s and probably died out into the early to mid 2000s.
Why is it that Ocarina of Time specifically inspired all this? Is it just because the game being 3D inspired us and made us feel like anything really could be out there?
It's because most kids saw the blank indent with the triforce and since everything else with an indent would be filled with items, >we assumed it meant it was possible somehow, some way to get the triforce as well. And so 6 gorillion That Kid stories began to happen and everyone kept saying NO GUISE THIS IS HOW YOU GET THE TRIFORCE. Lasting until dataminers who finally broke the game open killed off that until the Gigaleak happened.
This whole Beta/Triforce% run was loved because it finally fulfilled that one bit of autism we all had as kids wishing to actually get the triforce in OoT.
No, I understand the basic rumors. I'm just wondering why this kind of thing started in such force with Ocarina of Time.
I'd Argue it started with Mew.
It was the first grand 3D adventure game. If that was one of your first games as a kid then it set a really high bar. And the game lends to a lot of imagination with its emphasis on destiny and myths. The triforce was like a religious artifact so it was fun to speculate on how to find it.
It is basically the Zelda universe's holy grail, in both a figurative and literal sense.
As a child, you don't have to try very hard to suspend your disbelief because you don't fully understand the world yet.
So it's easy to think there's something hidden around every corner and that the game is full of secrets you simply haven't found yet - you haven't yet built up the life experience to know that that is almost certainly not the case, that everything worth seeing will be placed directly in your path, that hidden things will be minor easter eggs at best and anything that is hidden on the cartridge, such as beta content, is wildly unfinished and not very fleshed out.
I do miss looking at games and having this mystifying view of them, like you wanted to see 'what was out there.' It turns out, generally there is only so much.
>Ocarina of Time specifically inspired all this
It didn't. Every popular game from the early days of the Eternal September had a massive rumor mill because people had not yet learned to be skeptical about anything they read while clicking through a webring. Pokemon, SM64, hell, even Dragon Warrior Monsters had schizoposters explaining how to synthesize evil eggs.
Hmm. I guess I do remember a lot of rumors floating around about Pokemon in general. It really must just correlate to dumb kids flooding the internet, huh? Shame, it's kind of nostalgic now.
Pokemon is a special example because if something as convoluted and as beneficial as it is dangerous as Missingno. could exist then all bets are off as far as playground rumors are concerned. There's a way to get the guy to stay on the roof of Blaine's gym and talk to him for a secret Pokemon? Frick it, no weirder than learning to catch Pokemon, going for a swim, running into a monstrosity and then having 127 of your sixth item.
Pokemon is its own can of worms, from the truck that only shows up in that unreachable place that you need to sequence break to get to to the convoluted glitch that requires fly and for some reason activates a fight while leaving lavender town.
That game was a treasure trove of rumors and secrets.
>that you need to sequence break
Though the big gimmick of Pokemon was link cable trading, it is not unheard of to skip the SS Anne because your rich buddy sent you a Pokemon with Cut already before you reach Vermillion.
I still think it's wild that you can catch all 151 by just exploiting the trainer flag data and turning random encounters into what you want.
For the cut requirement, sure. But you need to be 3/4ths of the way done with the game to surf to the truck.
Also, even the literal
>how was I suppose to know to X
cryptic shit in Zelda 1 and 2 or Castlevania would've spawned a bunch of dad-at-Nintendo tier rumors
Castlevania 2's absolutely fricking insane requirements for certain things is on that tier too
I would argue that OoT was simply a game that really inspired the imagination. It was early 3D, most people who played it were 8 at the time, and the production values and what the player could do with the gameworld with the limited tech of the time were absolutely through the fricking roof compared to what else was on the market.
It's hard to understate the effect OoT had on people at the time. It's one of the most influential 3D games of all time, second possibly only to Quake or Mario 64.
Link will never be this badass again. He must either be chibi/kid or a softboy.
Read the TP manga.
I've seen bits and pieces of it
Seeing the Hero's Shade clash swords with fricking Ganondorf again was amazing
Everything with the Hero's Shade in particular is great. What a fantastic interpretation of the character.
The mangaka is a GIANT OoT/TP gay and you can really feel it.
>hello my descendant be not afraid for I only wish to teach you how to stab things with a sword!
I miss being a little kind and think everything was possible,
>maybe bombing this wall would open new area
>Maybe if I get to this room I can enter through the window of this house
now a days revisiting Ocarina of time is like coming back to that park you used to go as a child and realizing that big castle slope was actually pretty small all along.
God, I just wish there were a way to capture how the game used to feel.
Gotta stop playing games that add in user convenience.
Elden Ring is kind of what if Ocarina of Time was as expansive and cryptic as the rumor said and you realized how tedious is complete a quest by doing a very specific and counter intuitive set of steps.
What I'm trying to say is that if OoT really was like the rumor said it would be a pretty frustrating game to complete.
The issue is that ER's lore is pretty much all hidden behind item descriptions and cryptic quests. There's nothing out there to pique your interest in the first place. Zelda worked and captured so much attention because the game world felt like there was something more going on under the surface, not like EVERYTHING was going on under the surface.
Also, the navigation being almost entirely basic b***h action gameplay stuff didn't help.
>Elden Ring
every other Souls game*
Every other Geocities page had something akin to REAL WAY TO GET THE TRIFORCE for clicks, same deal with Pokegods
Over half of Ganker is too young to remember not having concrete answers to everything via google. Even back when these websites were up they never contained the full truth, information was too decentralized, and fakes were rare. Back then when someone uploaded a jpg of their tv running what looked like Ocarina of Time with a picture of the "temple of light" on the screen people lost their shit. Nowadays we have fricking deepfakes so nothing at all is trusted.
I thought it was a fun time, and I don't even like OoT or Nintendo.
homosexual
Anyone got the finished graph of what we ranked each game?
why would someone speedrun an RPG
rpg speedrunners are some of the most well-adjusted, normal people in the speedrunning community
modern rpgs like undertale and omori do not count
This. The discipline required for hours of autistic speed tempers the autism, refining it into compressed autism
Thanks a bunch anon.
The frick happened with SMAS+World?
They used ACE to end every game by using code they injected into SMB3, but they fricked up the ACE and had to use a backup cart. So on one hand you have people who appreciate it for the technical marvel that it was and on the other hand you have people who see it as little more than showing a video of what it would've looked like had the runners not fricked it up. There's your controversy.
It was a very polarizing glitch run, using glitches that were only possible with a modified cart.
While an interesting spectacle it was hardly a speedrun at all and more a TAS.
It also didn't last very long, a whole 11 minutes, so it was hard to hate.
Why the hell is the OoT Beta recreation so low? I can see that the opinions on it are super divided, but why did so many people vote 0? Was it just that bit at the end? The rest of it was great, I'd still easily rate it mid-high at worst.
several reasons
>anything TASbot is automatic shit
>all the HOYYP and shilling for the run passed it off as all the beta stuff from the gigaleak
>opened with inane shit like "this is one of the earliest copies out there, it's unmodified" with the implication that all the beta content was on the cart anyways
>as the run goes on it keeps getting backpedaled on the nature of the run
>the lines between "content on the cart" to "recreation of known beta content" to "some ancient wanker's he-said-she-said post from 2001 got cited on tvtropes" blurs as the run goes on
>mass of normalgays will still think all of that was 100% on the cart and le ebin they/them hacker was able to access it all
if it was honest from the get-go on it NOT being a beta recreation, it would've been better received
>what are you going to do about it
>uh oh
it's a great run regardless despite him being a WR holder and fricking up
fell back to getting as many shines as possible, finished under estimate defeating bowser
his mess up actually helped a bit in keeping GDQ on schedule funnily enough
What absolute homosexual-tier reasons for rating it low. Bunch of no fun autists in those threads, including you two.
>I CLAPPED WHEN HE GOT THE TRIFORCE, I CLAPPED AND CRIED
actual midwit, go back to jerking off to keiz's caterknees jokes
They were insulting the audience's intelligence. It was an entertaining spectacle but they should have just been honest about it. When they started showing off shit that was clearly custom content, such as the beta Kokiri sidequest or talking to Nobooru early, that's when the jig was up and they should have come clean.
Even up to the very end they only half-admitted it was custom content and were very vague on what was actually beta content and what was new.
I see, I assume he was part of the reason it went over so much not the opposite.
Seems like a fair compromise to make.
>anything TASbot is automatic shit
... But I like TASbot. It's a cute idea, at very least, and it was charmingly executed once upon a time. Not much a fan of the new design though, and the people around it are kinda annoying.
>all the HOYYP and shilling for the run passed it off as all the beta stuff from the gigaleak
Oh, that's scummy. I don't even see how that'd work, though, logically speaking? Unless they somehow left the content on the cartridge but encrypted it in some weird way we'd only know how to ACE thanks to the leak, which suffers from being way too complex to be probable.
>the lines between "content on the cart" to "recreation of known beta content" to "some ancient wanker's he-said-she-said post from 2001 got cited on tvtropes" blurs as the run goes on
I admit I kinda liked this. The run starting out somewhat plausible, constantly touching back on beta content you might recall if you read TCRF or messed with gameshark yourself. For instance, I remembered the butterfly, didn't notice they changed the texture.
>mass of normalgays will still think all of that was 100% on the cart and le ebin they/them hacker was able to access it all
Yeah ok that sounds shitty.
The troony's sarcastic comments and giggling really sell it. I can't believe no one told him to shut his fricking mouth - the guy just humiliated himself in front nearly a hundred thousand people.
He continued for the rest of the run, too, calling it out when there was an extra life on screen and making shitty jabs at the runner. Just an absolute c**t, needed his teeth knocked out.
That situation actually became a moment for contemplative reflection for me. If I could somehow see it as just one of his friends on the couch and not a man wearing 40 year old drapes as a dress, would I believe it was so hostile? Would I have such a strong reaction to it? The conclusion I came to is that they weren't playing on the runner's feelings/actions at all and whoever was doing it would be a c**t regardless of 41% status, but it's somehow so much more obnoxious coming from someone trying to squeak out soprano from around an adam's apple.
I can just see his shitty AGP smirk behind that mask. Guy just was a dick, provided he hasn't cut it off yet. People like that are just narcissists who don't feel a thing when others are suffering.
That's what I think, too. If the runner was giving any kind of reaction like it was friendly ribbing that he was in on then that would've been different, but Splits McDickens over there either couldn't or wouldn't read the tone of the room and just kept picking away.
its 50% now
wait is it that high?
It was only 42% for "thinking about suicide", which they all say to look more like a victim. The second someone does a real test and learns it's way lower than that for actual committed ones, their house of cards fall.
It's because it makes it more apparent that they're incapable of dropping pretense (in this case, the performance of their gender identity) to empathize with someone who is experiencing what is essentially a nightmare situation. I felt awful for the runner because no one helped him out when he was completely overwhelmed with what happened. Seriously, a staff member should have muted everyone's microphones, physically approached the runner and helped him relax a little bit, and asked him whether there was another, shorter category he could do. Because there was: he's the WR holder for the category he ended up doing. Instead he was on the verge of hyperventilating.
It genuinely pissed me off, and every weird, back-handed comment that commentator made pissed me off more. Why say the level he choked on is easy?
Holy fricking shit just hearing this troony talk makes me so fricking angry. The tone of the voice, the giggling, the smugness you can hear from just the voice all make it over the top irritating. The giggling, awww, and obviously faked sorry is ridiculous.
The giggling aside, the words themselves on paper are fine but man there was zero sympathy there
Commentary kept pretending as if everything being shown existed on the cartridge and they ACE'd it only to unlock it, even though anyone in the know-how/read TCRF knew it was bullshit 5min into the run.
I just really fricking hated the ending part.
Everything up to the Triforce was great 10/10 I loved it
The only part of it I liked was the fight with the runner guy, since I hadn't seen a custom encounter in a Zelda 64 mod yet to that degree.
I do wonder how much of the hackjob for that ACE was only viable to consider doing once that full decomp became available.
>I do wonder how much of the hackjob for that ACE was only viable to consider doing once that full decomp became available.
I imagine only the setup to read in data from the controls needed the decomp and the twitch integration at the end
the credits mentioning Kaze Emanuar means that a normal ROM hack of (almost) everything is viable, that lad's able to do a ton of crazy shit even without a decomp
I heard the sunshine run had to start over 45 min in, how did it get rated so high?
because of that. it was a surreal experience on par with some of the oldest gdq trainwrecks. the runner did really well after, honestly. mad respect.
I should probably just look at the run and find out but what did they do about it? did he just go over time by 45 min?
Did he just do a min-shine run after the fact?
79 shine which he also has wr in, then kept going i think
>Macbat 64 got robbed of a run
Frick that homosexual runner.
>the little mermaid run that high
what why
it's a very short game developed by capcom which means its not horrible and the runner was very good at explaining stuff, it was pretty enjoyable
Foid?
foid = ugly woman's presence ruining the run
girl is the opposite, although I think there was only one this GDQ
>Klonoa >:)
>Pokemon snap
What a weird game to "speedrun", its on rails.
I was fooled up until the "show me the future" bit where it was obvious they were going to render an N64 version of BotW. The part where Link could go from adult to child by playing the "full" song of time with the extra buttons seemed pretty real, so did the conversation with Nabooru.
Yeah. Honestly, all of the gameplay additions were super well done and mostly believable. I especially like that the Overture of Sages is clearly meant to have become the Oath to Order.
I might just be a mouthbreathing moron, but if this was just ACE, then how did their seemingly custom textures and recorded voicelines make it into the game purely through TAS inputs
You can manipulate ANY piece of data literally at will via ACE. A N Y. They probably just overwrote textures and sound files that were never used within the run.
entirely [HEADCANON], but I imagine it goes like:
>SRM to setup a simple routine
>said routine converts inputs from controllers 2 through 4 into raw bytes into MIPS instructions + RAM data
>each segment gets fed specific instructions + data as needed over the run seamless
he mentions after the SRM setup that TASbot's still connected to the other controllers, so even with a limited bandwidth you can pad out the time needed to encode data through controller inputs as the showcase goes on
note how SRM has been possible for quite some time, but this only cropped up after the OoT decompilation finished
>who got jebaited?
not me. when the dork told me they were using nothing but a real, unmodded n64, i knew they were about to show me a gay romhack.
It wasn't a romhack, everything they did was inserted via arbitrary code execution.
I didn't get overly emotional about it but I did find it pretty cool
While I found the whole process of how the did it more interesting that the execution I think it would be neat if someone put this kind of content on a rom along with the vanilla game and just let some curious player discover it for themselves.
I don't understand this event. Apparently this was unmodded but they connected the N64 to a mod and there was BOTW models and shit? How is this not a modded copy? Whats so special about this?
TASbot isn't a mod moron, it's just a fancy controller that can play prerecorded inputs.
it's unmodded in the sense it's not a romhack
it's just using ACE to make it a romhack in-post
It's like if a guy says he won't punch you, but then smashes your head in with a bat. Technically, he kept his word...
They programed the mod live while the game was already running, using the same glitch that speedrunners used to skip to the end of the game.
I watched it and the annoying guy who wouldn't stfu kept harping on "this is all original, this is playing on unmodded console with an original cartridge" I knew something was up.
It's like he was saying they got an original copy of Moby Dick, insisted nobody had yet changed the text, then proceeded to give it to a computer that wrote an extra chapter at the end of the book really fast.
woooow
Ganker was calling it gay and cringe in real time. no one was fooled.
So did they make a romhack, somehow transcribe the data into inputs, then have a TAS basically run it byte by byte? If that's the case, I'm still confused about how they got real time twitch integration into an "unmodified" N64 and cart.
Was it realtime, or did they just feed in whatever twitch viewers were present at the time of the injection and render them later with some random variations of the catchphrase?
There was a pause as they waited for the chat messages to come in, wasn't there? Theoretically they had some program fetch the messages and convert them into texture data for the game, which was then fed into TASbot as it continued to reprogram the code.
Either that or they just used their list of subscribers to prepare the data beforehand - it would work since their chat is sub-only
>been wanting to make a run for gdq
>wanted to showcase some development build or prototype shit
>routed, practiced it, etc
>its not a game anyone has ever heard of (within reason)
>checked the rules about submissions
>they aint allowed supposedly unless i can make a really good case somehow
>since i have 0 following i decide its not worth the effort
>this gdq happens
>fricking beta restoration hack is allowed somehow
aright so what kind of unstable unfinished popular game worth a damn should i pick up and run for gdq
no 41% shit here, i just want an autistic outlet and get banned like the clown i am
>they aint allowed supposedly unless i can make a really good case somehow
You forgot the crucial part where if you are friends with the staff you can get anything you want in. I assume you aren't friends with the staff so it will never happen
i am not friends with trannies anon. and even if i were, i would not be friends with the gdq staff trannies.
even on the off chance that i became friends with spikevegeta (i wont i need to be deaf first) i would still be difficult with their bullshit. i dont have friends, i dont want a couch full of friends and considering the circumstances i dont have any to begin with, i dont want some obnoxious c**t on the mic either. i just wanna run somethin i think is neat and hope people talk about how weird that shit is
i dont like lying anon. i have self-respect
Should have pretended to be a T the year they let 50 of them run (poorly).
>we ruined Nintendo's vision by illegally modifying their intellectual property
>please give us money for it
I hope Nintendo sues this sham of an event.
so what run should I watch before I sleep Ganker? I missed most of sgdq. Gimme something short and comfy
ffx
Everything up to getting the triforce is fine
Everything after is disgusting wtf