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Pathfinder easily. There's noting "Baldur's Gate" about Baldur's Gate 3.
Other than the setting, you mean?
I have to agree with this.
The writing in both is terrible, the combat mechanics of the two seem about on par, BG3 is simpler and better designed but it's just not making combat any more interesting. Dialogue choices are better in pathfinder because not everything is fricking voice acted so you get actual conversations, not curt short sentences every time. BG3 seems to have better branching paths and choices, but it's not making much difference.
Map design is substantially better in pathfinder, the camera angles and everything map related in BG3 just sucks.
BG3 has better characters and models, but it's really not saying much. Pathfinder has some of the fricking worst characters I've ever seen in any RPG ever in my entire life, so you really do not have to do very well to exceed the incredibly low bar set by pathfinder.
overall I'd probably rate them about the same, maybe a slight edge to BG3 for sort of trying to do good things - branching paths, extended support for classes like actually benefiting from talking to animals as a druid, or knowledge skills having actual impact, but ultimately still falling flat.
Nothing makes you look more moronic here than failing to TLDR
I'm not going to dumb down a couple paragraphs into a one liner just for the sake of some dumbshit moron who can't be bothered to read. If it's too much for your drug addled burned out brain, feel free to move on to a thread about a game that doesn't involve reading paragraphs of exposition and dialogue. Why the hell are you even here
Son thats less then the averag baldurs gate 3 cutscene.
>this is consider terrible writing
Are you sure you just dont have shit taste?
Also Rip David Warner who died a few days ago
>The writing in both is terrible
Sounds like the good ol' Baldur's Gate 1-2
What no, BG 1 + 2 are peak soul, both shining examples of western writing
What's wrong with the writing in BG1+2?
>"I have to agree with this."
>completely disagrees
fricking autist
My thoughts exactly.
Haven't played either. Hope that helps.
Baldurs Gate 3 is way better, its actually fun to play. Pathfinder games are only for min maxing build autism which is just moronic.
Exactly. I was sold a CRPG, what I got was stat autism wrapped in a CRPG skin.
Just play on normal?
Lowering the difficulty down to a level where everything becomes trivial just removes the entirety of the gameplay experience, dear anon. Why play in the first place if that's the case? I'm just going to watch it on Youtube instead.
Make the actual gameplay good, thank you. Spamming buffs constantly and having to read a 500 page manual isn't it.
>be a complete clueless moron
>see pickrelated while choosing difficulty
>pick it anyway
>get your asscheeks clapped
>complain online
Don't you feel silly?
Don't you feel stupid?
Don't you feel a little ashamed?
Because this is how moronic (You) are.
I didn't play on that difficulty
Even core warns you that its for people who know what they are doing. Although if you cant be bothered to read that warning, maybe a game with a lot of reading isnt the best fit for you.
You're trying to avoid admitting that there's only one gameplay style in the game: spamming buffs and stat autism.
>Make MC Aldori Duelist/Swordlord for using Dazzling Display then attacking, or really any type of Fighter/Barbarian/Non-buff b***h
>Take Amiri, take stuff to improve power attack/cleave
>Take Octavia and just put levels into Rogue for sneak attack
>Take Nok and do the same thing
>Take Valerie as a tank
>Take Tristian or Harrim(only give them healing spells)
As for WOtR:
>Same type of MC
>Regil
>Wenduag
>Greyboar
>Trever
>Soisel
(If you don't like blacks Camelia and Daeran can be substituted instead, just means more heals.)
And there you have a completely non buff reliant play through for both games that is completely viable on at least Challenging/Core and below.
>>Take Octavia and just put levels into Rogue for sneak attack
Nope. Go all in on wizard and make her a Conjuration specialist that spams stinking cloud, glitterdust, grease, cloudkill and haste
I purposefully didn't include any arcane casters because then you could feasibly say that they are just there for buffs.
>And there you have a completely non buff reliant
lol. Buffs make up 70% of your ac and attack in these games. You literally NEED buffs to not instantly die on challenging or core. Why are you handing out literal dogshit advice?
Kingmaker Act 2 Lonely Warrior: 30 AC with 30-40 attack on every hit
WOTR Act 3 Blackwater: 40-50 AC enemies, you're NOT hitting that without buffs
WOTR Act 3 Playful Darkness: 70 AC you're NOT hitting that without buffs
You play buffinder or you fricking wipe in 10 seconds
>Bonus fight for rewards that you don't have to beat to progress
>Side dungeon completely unnecessary to progress
>Bonus boss fight you can not bother with at all or wait til act 5 to take on again
Abloobloo Black personhomosexual.
>B-bro my no buff builds are totally viable!
Just skip all of the optional content in the game, bro. Play only the story and you'll be fine bro.
You're "no buff" build will also get fricking creamed in the Abyss onward when every enemy has +50 AC MINIMUM. You absolutely need to running shit like Dimensional Strike, guarded hearth, smite evil/mark of justice, and every arcane or divine buff you can think of if you want to HIT the enemy.
A full BAB level 14 martial has +14 attack. Assuming a +5 weapon, that's +19 attack. Assuming you have greater weapon focus, thats +2 to your attack, for a total of +21. Assuming you have outflank + you're flanking, that's +4 to your attack, which is +25. A +25 to hit is not good enough to hit ANYTHING in the abyss without buffs, shitter. You could roll a 19 and still fricking miss. That's how BAD your no buffed build will be.
Cry harder, Black personhomosexual. You've been called out on lying your ass off and no one is convinced by them.
>You've been called out on lying
So you're just making shit up now, huh? homie, YOU'RE the one lying. A no buff build is not clearing through either game on a real difficulty.
You're build fricking HARD STOPs at Baphomet who has 60+ AC at core. You'll literally never hit him except on 20s with your no buffed martials. Hell, I doubt you'll even GET to Baphomet when every other enemy in the abyss has 40-50 AC
Shut the frick up, moron. I beat the game on Core just fine. I'm simply saying you need to use buffs to match the enemy, which is true, and anyone who's actually played the game would know this
>I beat the game on Core just fine
No, you didn't.
Now stop crying like a b***h you are and set the difficulty on Story because the game is clearly too difficult for you.
What are you even arguing about Black person? You absolutely need to be buffed to beat the game in core or higher
>at core.
If you can't handle Core difficulty, have you ever considered lowering the difficulty? You know, the ingame feature that existed since the dawn of time made specifically for people like you?
Just lower the difficulty
>b-b-but my gamer pride
You've already admited that you are trash at videogames. Lower the difficulty.
>Dimensional Strike, guarded hearth, mark of justice
don't know what any of that shit is.
Dimensional Strike - Magus arcana that lets your melee hits hit an enemies' touch AC instead of their normal AC
Guarded Hearth - + 10 sacred bonus to attack
Mark of Justice - A Paladin adds their Charisma bonus to the party's attack. So if you have +10 charisma, then that's +10 to the party's attack versus the enemy targeted by it. Stacks with guarded hearth too
Shut the frick up and cope. You literally didn't beat the game if you're claiming you can run through it on a real difficulty with no buffs
I CAN HANDLE CORE. Follow the fricking conversation chain or shut the frick up. I hate when morons jump into a conversation chain when they don't know what they're bloody talking about. How can you be so arrogant when you're blatantly fricking wrong?
Look at this game journo malding because he can't handle any difficulty above easy
So are you pretending to be moronic or what? I called you out and now you're just gonna pretend I didn't play the game because I can smell bullshit when I see it?
The numbers quite literally don't add up for a non buffed martial to even hit the enemies in act 4.
>It's an anon makes shit up episode
homie. I beat it fine. You clearly didn't since you're in here lying about the gameplay loop. You buff your party or you hit nothing in act 4 and 5. End of story.
Just play on easy lol
We are like 9 posts into this moronic conversation and you are STILL crying you can't right click enemies to death above difficulty settings for children. No, you are convincing nobody that you've actually beaten the game on Core.
Now make another rage post, those are fun to read through.
Why would I need to play on easy? I'm not the anon over
here who's setup quite literally can't even clear Core. If he's using no buffs like he claims, then he will be unable to progress past act 4 of the game. It's a simple as that, especially because he's also not using a CC caster.
No CC caster and no buffs = no answer to the high AC enemies of the endgame in acts 4 and 5.
I'd be HAPPY to concede if you could provide me some CONCRETE MATH of your NO BUFF PARTY hitting a 50 AC enemy. You WON'T because you're LYING. Which is why you've restored to LIES and INSULTS to hide your lack of an argument. It WILL NOT WORK. YOU LOST.
Anon, your only retort to that anons post was to bring up completely optional content that was designed to give people who actually engage with ingame mechanics something more challenging.
You don't want to buff up? Play on easier difficulty you insane moron.
And before you make another autistic reply because you are too fricking thick to accept that you are a dipshit: Core isn't the intended difficulty and the game spells it out to you outright in no complex language.
>You don't want to buff up? Play on easier difficulty you insane moron
>Core isn't the intended difficulty
Are you mentally challenged? This whole discussion is ABOUT core and higher, see fricking
His no buff BS cannot clear the abyss (act 4 of the game), so he's fricking lying about the difficulty he played on.
Follow the conversation chain or shut up, moron
And you've already given up the idea of challenging that no buff team by bringing up optional content and nothing else.
Again. Play on easier difficulty.
>bringing up optional content and nothing else.
Act 4 isn't optional content, moron. Act 5 isn't optional content, moron
>Play on easier difficulty.
I don't need to because I buff unlike the liars in this thread
Now shut up, moron. You're blatantly wrong about this debate
>Act 4 isn't optional content, moron.
There isn't a single encounter in act4 that's a hard wall.
Stop crying like the b***h you are and just play on easier difficulty.
The secret fights are.
>There isn't a single encounter in act4 that's a hard wall
In core with no buff? Yes there are, all of them
That morons never even played on core
>There isn't a single encounter in act4 that's a hard wall.
50 AC trash mobs on core in act 4. He cannot hit them. End of story. Now shut the frick up
what is the player supposed to do against 50 ac c**ts?
crank buffs for your guys and debuff the enemy. a rogue alone can shave off 8ac with its sneak attack's bewildering injury
thanks, sounds interesting
Buff or CC them into having a lower AC bonus. It's quite easy once you understand the game's mechanics.
Stack divine and arcane buffs and use guarded hearth/smite evil or mark of justice/touch of madness/good on super hard fights.
Use intimidate builds or spells to leave the enemy flatfooted.
Use spells to drive an enemy of their Dex AC bonus (glitterdust or blindness is a great example)
Dispell their buffs
Debuff them
Hit them with spells that don't require beating AC.
By act 4, Nenio deletes entire encounters with Weird, Ember attacks touch AC so she just needs feats for it rather than buffs and pretty much any mythic has its own ways of just outright ignoring AC.
>His no buff BS cannot clear the abyss (act 4 of the game),
Based on what exactly other than your autistic ranting?
See
his no buff setup will not even be able to hit 50 AC trash mobs, much less the story bosses with 60-70 AC on core. It's literally impossible. The math does not add up
There are no enforced fights in ACT4 that have monsters with 50AC on Core or Challenging.
You'd know this if you have ever actually played on that difficulty.
To make your moronic whining even more insane, the game gives you Hand of the Inheritor to automatically win any fight you might not be able to handle.
To make your moron babble EVEN MORE insane, final boss of act4 is the only fight in the game that has a specifically built in timer for Nocticula to just end the fight instantly just in case you can't win.
tl;dr You are a moron and you, without a shadow of a doubt, have never even touched Core difficulty.
I beat the game on core. You don't. We're done here. Trash mobs have 50 AC, end of story
>NOOOO I WIN YOU LOSE
Yep, that's about what I expected from a b***hmade baby like you.
I'm sorry, I don't talk to subhumans who can't even clear act 4 of the game because they refuse to engage with the game's mechanics
>Reduced to pathetically repeating himself now that even his act4 example has been destroyed
Keep on shitting yourself, it sure is doing wonders to you.
>Bro just run from every hard encounter and lose the boss fight until the story bails you out
Shut the frick up subhuman.
Yes. That's a way to beat the act you would have everyone believe could not be beaten that way under any circumstances, you have now been reduced to goalpost moving.
Now make another rage post. I want to see your next cope.
>Just don't play the game bro
Run from fights, skip all optional content, and get utterly reamed in the boss fight until the story bails me out. (You can't even do this in the angel route btw, you HAVE to kill Baphomet there)
Yes. You lost. We can repeat this routine until your tard wrangler shows up and sedates you.
>(You can't even do this in the angel route btw, you HAVE to kill Baphomet there)
Not that anon, but you could not backpedal to a worse example. Angel ends every encounter with spells that don't require beating AC meaning it beats any encounter on any difficulty without any buffs. Just shut up and stop shitting up the thread harder than you've already done.
Bolt of Justice is a wet fart on non Oracle/clerics. It's still good damage, but it's not 1 or 2 shot damage on enemies like it is on a merged caster. Meaning bolt of Justice spam won't solo him unless you're a merged caster.
Shut the frick, you don't know how to play the game
You lost, cope.
>N-no!
hahaha
>Bolt of Justice is a wet fart on non Oracle/clerics.
Why are you playing a divine caster mythic on a non divine caster class? You know, beyond the fact that you are a moron? Or that your moronic goalpost moving digged you a grave this deep?
Better question is why you are still responding to him when he commited himself to being a clueless clown over an hour ago?
The only clueless clown is you. You can't even beat the game on core, Mr. No buffs
I played a nature Oracle Angel. My point is that not all angels can clear it I'm with bolt of Justice spam. Some need to get this..BUFF to fight him and use OTHER spells or skills. A wizard or fighter angel would be a great example. Why would someone do that? Roleplaying, moron
You lost, seethe
>He started treating everyone like the same person
>Why would someone do that? Roleplaying, moron
Have you tried playing on an appropriate difficulty if you wanted to roleplay specifically?
I don't need to because I buff unlike the easy mode playing babies in this thread. You clowns would be laughed out of the/ /vg/ general if you tried to peddle this bs. You're only getting away with it because this thread is full of casuals who play on normal
>You clowns would be laughed out of the/ /vg/ general
And that's a good thing
>The raging moron was a /vg/ crossposter all along
What a shocking twist
>You can clear act4: Here's why
>NO YOU CAN'T YOU CAN'T SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP
Why do you insist on being a clown? Just move on and pretend it never happened.
The Inheritor bugged out for me, he appeared in an arena fight and was stuck there forever, even when you'd reenter the next fight in the arena he'd be there at the start
>I CAN HANDLE CORE.
But you clearly can't. As displayed by the fact that you are crying like a b***h over core difficulty requiring you to put in bare minimum effort beyond right clicking the enemy.
Stop raging like the moron you are and play on easy. Core is clearly too much of a big boy club for you.
>So if you have +10 charisma, then that's +10 to the party's attack versus the enemy targeted by it.
That's not how it works chief. It's charisma BONUS.
Read, homie, READ
>A Paladin adds their Charisma bonus to the party's attack.
I literally said that, moronbro
>I got filtered, change the whole game for me specifically
Just play something else you dumb Black person.
That was my exact original argument. You just threw a fit.
Then go play something else, Black person.
The hood won't gun you down in the streets for not playing pathfinder.
I will. I just don't want to. If they fixed the gameplay, and some of the balancing, I would happily play it some more.
Too bad, this game isn't made for you and the changes you want to see are never going to be introduced.
Easily Pathfinder. BG3 is based on 5th edition, come on. It's as dumbed down as possible
>Implying I will every play unfinished shit like BG3.
When they finish it, than we will talk
Who the frick is writing all these pathfinder threads 24/7 non stop?
Its garbage.
BG3 easily. Pathfinder is still an amazing game though, I enjoy both but BG3 obviously has a bigger budget and scale.
>one is an Early Access game that knows what it is
>the other is an Early Access game that pretends it's a finished product
Pretty easy decision.
When BG3 comes out it's going to be RPG of the decade just like Skyrim.
bg isnt out and at this point im not even sure it will be
Larian is shit but their games sell like hot cakes. Must be because they cater to normalgays.
>Bugfinder or cuck Gate 3
Hard choice. Just kidding, Pathfinder, despite all the bug fest and questionable choices, it's still league better than any Larian game past first DivOS. Those guys forgot how to make fun games and fail both at gameplay balance and writing, which start to resemble some teen fanfic "comedy".
I definitely prefer BG3.
WOTR because it's finished.
I enjoyed what I played of Baldur's Gate 3 too though.
I'll tell you once BG3 actually launches and I play it.
So in 2025?
Try 2030
2023
Ganker will say Pathfinder just because it's the lesser known HC UG choice between the two.
You'll have to compare Rogue Trader to BG3 by the pace Larian is taking
I like both. Wrath is going to have the Enhanced or whatever edition soon, so it will be in a much better state than it was on release.
Baldur's Gate 3 isn't finished, but what is in the Early Access is fun. Early Access is worth the pirate, and the full game will probably be worth a buy.
Oh look and owlcat thread with no slavs crying about cuckolding. A minor miracle
If I were to get one it'd be BG3, after early access. People b***h about losing it, but I always hated 'autobattle with pause' d&d.
Pillars of Eternity: Deadfire
These fellas make pretty good games. I'll try to beat Outer Worlds and PoE+PoE2 before Avowed/Outer Worlds 2 comes out (if Microsoft doesn't disable my Game Pass PC downloads)
>Outer Worlds
My apologies
It's Fallout with stealth. Sounds perfect to me.
You'll know when you play it.
>Fallout's gay creator has gay content in his games
You don't say
>Fallout with stealth
That lobotomy treating you okay, buddy?
Yeah
Pillars of Eternity has one of the most bland, forgettable and unenjoyable settings in a CRPG.
It's the oatmeal of the genre.
Since when? It literally deviates from the Dungeons & Dragons shit you see in every generic CRPG. That's why I chose to play it instead of its competitors.
Moving away from DnD theming doesn't automatically make your game interesting. It's just not an interesting setting in the slightest.
>Moving away from DnD theming doesn't automatically make your game interesting
It absolutely makes it more interesting than another DnD spinoff
>It's the oatmeal of the genre.
Pretty sure that's Pathfinder. The epitome of "let's take shit from DnD and mix in into a bowl and the hope something good comes out of it.
Objectively false. Deadfire improves on the gameplay in every single way and you have to be a complete moron to even suggest otherwise.
Trashfire is worse in every single way from PoE1.
losing the camp supply limit and vancian sleep-to-regen-spell shenanigans are pretty big QOL improvement. the more in-depth AI customization also lets the AI self-buff instead of spending 5mins doing it yourself and getting mods to make things easier. not that you'd know any of that since youre a bandwagoning fricktard that didn't even play it
none of this trash was playable until the divinity original sin chads decided to make TRPGs a thing again and a small modding community fixed paizo/owlcats trainwreck. only then did obsidian follow suit and also fix their three shitty rtwp games. I hate bg3 but people seething about larians bad writing need to shut the frick up and take a knee.
>larians bad writing
I don't even think Larian's writing is bad. Hell. I actually enjoyed the writing of OS2 despite everyone telling me how it's filled with "cringe reddit humor."
I think it mostly stems from how people dislike the way the game's tone can easily flip-flop between super serious shit like "Oh, the Magisters are essentially genociding all Source Users through completely inhumane ways" and "Oh, Fane's people are trying to break through the thin veil separating their own self-made prison and the rest of the world in order to essentially regress the progress of today's civilization by like thousands of years" to stuff like "Haha funny pair of humans-turned-cows because of a salty witch" or "Haha funnee skeleton said the word "pecker" despite said quests having connections to much darker themes and ideas
>Pillars of Eternity: Deadfire
Could be worse tbh
Well the deadfire one is still worse, but damn it's like these writers don't understand people don't want to read cringe
Deadfire's cringe is mild compared to the absolute shitshow that is the writing of Wrath.
The difference is that Nenio is cute and funny
>Nenio
>Cute and Funny
Yes.
Not a furry tbh
That's what it says in the journal for the quest isn't it, I find that stuff amusing
Would've much preferred Nenio if she stayed pure focks tbh
Meh, it's not so bad. And Xoti actually a fun character, especially compared to the charisma vacuums that are the rest of the cast.
I haven't done a romance outside of the Queen or Wendaug. Is that what actually happens on others, and people say BG3 is fricked writing-wise.
>Is that what actually happens on others
There's no romance with Nenio, that's just a scene that adds to her "friend" counter
BG3, at least larian are honest about early access
>Game that's released
>Game that's not released
Why are you so fricking stupid
I need help Gankerros
after banishing disgusting furry from my ranks I'm left without arcane caster and a buffbawd
so now trying to come up with a build on tiefling femboy to fill that role
the idea was to take 4 levels of eldritch scoundrel and multiclass something else but I feel like it's kind of hard to have a good buff selection while also maintaining adequate bab
i'm a bit of a moron so I have no idea where to go from here
any suggestions?
Make a Brownfur Merc
Just use Daeran and Ember for buffs
What does Nenio have apart from haste?
Give Ember a level of loremaster to slap haste on her.
Combine with Daeran or Sosiel. That's all you need.
bros, i didn't ask how to use [any other character]
i asked on how to fill that role with Woljif
If you want him to keep being useful in his intended role while still having some buffs, go rogue 4/vivisectionist 16 and get the infusion discovery.
sound pretty good actually, im going to try that
don't be a moronic gorillaBlack person, you can't do it well on woljif without completely making him useless
eldritch scoundrel can only go up to level 6 in spellcasting
good buffbots lose two mythic feats to enduring/greater enduring
unless you want to go 4 scoundrel and 16 wizard or something, then he'll be a suboptimal buff bot who can't do anything else, literal waste of space
or you could just use a respec mod and optimize his stats plus build for it
Make him a vivisectionist after weapon finesse. lv6 spellbook AND sharing personal buffs is pretty valuable and he will be better in combat too.
Does not cover hoel of full spellcaster completely, but if you will not use companions nor make a merc, this is the best you can do
>banishing nenio
You deserve what you get
Bg3 has no paladin.
No paladin, no buy.
>full length artwork for all mythic paths
>EXCEPT Legend and Mythic Hero
damn shame. They are literally the perfect artstyle for "helmeted protag" too, would fit right in with all the other character art that's in the game, as well as for homebrew mtg cards
also this, holy shit. You make a fricking BALDURS GATE game, a game about literally fighting evil creatures in hell, and you DON'T include Paladin? What an idiotic waste. I know it's early access but it has me worried, considering Paladin would probably be one of the easiest hybrids to implement and they still haven't done it yet
Paladin is coming in either the next patch or the one after it. Paladin will likely have the most content so it makes sense.
Classes contain more world reactivity than Owlcats games, so they aren't just a matter of making up the stats and spells and releasing the class.
If you like that every enemy is resistant to nearly every damage type and have massive stats compared to you then you are gonna have fun.
Tldr; It's a game for autists that actually hate fun.
One is a complete game, so wins by default
Have they made the nenio final chapter dungeon less of a pain in the ass?
BG3 has like maybe 2 puzzles, and yet they are better than all WOTR's puzzles. God damn can they fricking stop trying to make Larian style puzzles in their shit engine?
BG3 by far
BGIII ez
After 150 hours, I just can't stomach WotR anymore. The third act is dragging itself for waaaay too long and I don't have the patience to stomach more boring combat which all play exactly the same.
BG3 is fun so far, but I can't judge on only one act.
Act 3 is literally the best part of the game. Act 2 has the best pacing, though, thats true.
>Play on normal
>Enemies range from hard to complete bullshit
>Play on casual
>Enemies range from easy to compete pushovers
Where's the in between?
there is no "complete bullshit" outside of hard and unfair
you probably just don't understand some mechanic
Custom difficulty with a middle ground and turning on things like additional enemies and additional behaviour. There's like 20 sliders move them until the game feels good.
I feel bad playing games like these because I always end up looking for builds
>or
Buy both, poorgay
I haven't played BG3, but probably that one because the dialouge in Pathfinder is terrible. It oozes Calirfornia style of speaking. Trying to be quirky and crude while at the same time walking on eggshells.
Baldur's Gate 3 feels like a cringe as hell D&D campaign written by a 16 year old that watches too much Critical Role.
Also, the gameplay is pretty much Original Sin and so I'd rather just play the finished one instead.
Pathfinder is miles ahead in terms of actual RPG mechanics, but BG3 does look very pretty and the story might not be garbage since it's not Larian's OC this time around.
the rpg mechanics are better in bg3
it's all the combat mechanics that pathfinder has more of but which add nothing to the game
in bg3 I'm doing lore:arcana/history/religion checks left and right, casting spells to talk to animals, using rain spells to fight fires in burning buildings, animating the dead to learn valuable information, dispelling illusions that change interactions, and so on
BG3's writing isn't great (better than pathfinder still) but they are doing a much better job of actually integrating the various gameplay mechanics together to make character builds and choices more relevant.
I do find it funny how people think that rpg mechanics = build autism for combat and nothing else, when that's only one part of an RPG.
>doing lore:arcana/history/religion checks left and right
Just like in Pathfinder (which you'd know if you actually played it).
>builds and choices
What builds lmao? There are barely any character building options at all in 5E.
>5e
>builds
>choices
lol
lmao even
>uuhhhhhh it's not a build if I can't take pala2/vivi1/monk1!
Yikes
This sums up pretty well how I feel about modern crpg players.
"roleplaying" extends as far as how much number crunching they do in their character build, and that's it.
Choices and consequences, writing, lore, backstory, what is this nonsense, that's not roleplaying. Roleplaying is going cleric 5/fighter 3/.....
You are the b***hass coming to the system that was specifically made to recreate the powergaming aspect of third edition and cry about powergaming being the main focus in response to how god fricking awful 4th edition was and something 5th edition doubled down on.
Go play something else
>NOOOOOOOOOOOO EVERYTHING HAS TO APPEAL TO ME. MEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
No. Keep crying about it.
This but without being a homosexual or misplacing meme arrows
both
pathfinder
Bg3 isn't even a completed game. Pathfinder wins for now. But you shouldn't play pathfinder. It is bad.
Why do I need to cash out €60 for a demo of BG3? Instantly pirated when it's released.
early access to the full game, which you fully paid for. it's not a demo, moron b***h
Why do I need to pay twice?
I think most people would agree you should pirate the Early Access to see if you like it.
Why the frick would you ever play Crossblooded sorc instead of Wizard with Crossblooded sorc dip?
RP.
Triple bloodline stacking for increased dice damage on your spells.
If all you wanna do is be a blaster, than a Sorcerer is better because you get more spell slots per a level. You also get Chain Lightning and Hellfire Ray for free because you're a spontaneous caster and can this equip the salamander's ring or the storm lord bracers
>Triple bloodline stacking for increased dice damage on your spells.
Exactly, and you can get that by dipping 1 level and then go full wizard. That's why I asked.
>go legend
>mom is mad
Good.
>Ascend without her
>Persuade Pharasma to erase her soul from existence
you cannot ascend as legend and that's why she's pissed
you were her last hope and you just decided to refuse your powers
I know, I was just talking about screwing her over even in the ascesion ending. Areelu caused the entire mess to begin with and shows zero remorse about it, she doesn't deserve anything good.
She did it for you, you ungrateful turd.
thats not clear though right?
i mean that you are her son
sure your soul is infused with his but you might as well just do the things on your own or dont do them at all
Baldur's Gate has cuter girls
excellent taste
Is there a romancable succubus in the game?
No but hopefully there will be the second best option, a tiefling
Then Baldur's Gate 3 does not in fact, have cuter girls
arue my beloved
If you can't frick a demon or a devil then a mortal with demon/devil characteristics is the best option
Still waiting for baldurs gate 3 to actually be a complete game so I can play through it with a friend.
>decide to play drow
>a drow cleric of lolth in fact
>cleric choices switch randomly between goody two shoes cleric option and your worst nightmare drow cleric option
what the frick
BG3 is literally unfinished and I refuse to play until it isn't so I'd say WotR for now.
Is Larian the only studio that can bring CRPGs back into the mainstream?
Divinity 2 has got to be the most played CRPG.
Nah, I'm pretty sure that's either Dragon Age Origins or Inquisition.
Bioware could pull it off if they make Dragon Age 4 really good
>Bioware could pull it off if they make Dragon Age 4 really good
You know it's not going to happen.
After having played DoS2, Baldur's Gate 3 and Pillars of Eternity in the last couple of years I have to say people were way too harsh on Bioware ever since DA2.
No. Bioware deserves all the shit they get, and even implying that either of those three games are worse that the cluster fricks like 2, Inquisition, and Andromeda just speaks volumes to your mental moronation.
>or Inquisition
that's a terrifying thought
To be fair, chances are it's people doing a mega-campaign from DA:O to Inquisition or just them fricking around with the story timeline editor.
I don't believe it for a second. The amount of ratings alone is staggering
Larian games not being a sore in the eyes is one thing they got going for them. CRPGs need to look good and coomerific.
>actually putting in the money to make it high quality visually, for a CRPG
>co-op, great gameplay
>story in the air still
Hopefully they don't frick it up and frontload it again. I definitely prefer them trying something like BG3, over already releasing OS2.5 with no big changes to the formula, or visuals, or dialog.
I played both and ALMOST beat pathfinder and I would say It depends on your mood, pathfinder is more focused on making the one you like. Balur's gate is just overall good story, and lore.
Isn't this the game with all the trannies and strong women?
It's hilarious to me that Ganker has managed to skew the content of this game to fit this narrative. You all really are building straw troonys around yourselves to be mad about.
Imagine condensing a 200 hour game with 3 seconds of trans content into 'the game with all the trannies'.
Owlcat is a troony lgqtcqfra company and forces you listen to some homosexual ass orc and her troony lover. Claims to be an rpg, but you can't kill them, without going demon path and only being able to even do that at act 4 or 5. At least Larian cares about player choice.
>you can't kill them
>except when you can but that doesn't count!
They're incompetent frickups why do you have to be demon path to kill them
Only when it's deemed appropriate by the devs, after you've been forced to tolerate them for tens of hours.
But you CAN kill them, which goes against the whole "muh no player choice" narrative.
If the game respected player choice we wouldn't be forced to interact with them at all and be given multiple opportunities to tell them to frick off at the very least.
If it didn't respect player choice you wouldn't be allowed to kill them period. You don't even have to be nice to them before they die either.
By that logic player choice would be respected even if they were forced in the party the entire game but as long as you can kill them in the literal last second it'd be okay. Don't think I need to explain how stupid that is.
Even Baldur's gate had to pull up a fourth wall breaking npc to save your ass if you killed everyone, both Irabeth and Anevia are plot important and that's why they have plot armor
No they aren't. They could be removed after the capture of Drezen with no impact to the narrative, and there's no reason why you shouldn't be able to kill Anevia the moment the game starts.
How is that wrong? You can still kill them, if your goal is to kill them you can still end up doing it. It's not against player choice if it gives you the option period.
>If the game respected player choice we wouldn't be forced to interact with them at all
Yeah also give me the player choice of not being named commander of the crusade
>without going demon path
All evil paths can do it and even then you can get Irabeth killed which makes Anevia leave
And the only reason you know Anevia used to be a man who drank a potion is because you saw /vpol/ screeching about it 24/7, not because you found about it in-game
Pathfinder has Reg, which makes it bearable.
Baldur's Gate 3 hasn't even been released yet, but I'm more excited for it, than I was for WotR. I've played BG3 in early access and WotR when it was in beta and when it released.
Pathfinder system is better for building characters, but everything else is done better by Larian, from crafting worlds to encouncter desing, the sense of adventure is much greater in Larian's games.
BG 3 runs off 5e so it's shit by default. Yeah you had fun with it in the early beta phases but the system falls apart very quickly once you leave the beginner levels.
Why is Baldur's Gate 3 150 gigs big?
Been using AI to generate myself some ingame portraits, what you guys think?
Looks good
Link to the ai tool?
www.midjourney.com
I tried a frick load of gold dragon but its hard as frick, been trying to generate people with golden dragon wings instead but not gone great, mostly just humans with some dragon israeliteellery. pic related
Really fricking nice, do one for GD please.
>He devolved into samegayging
The absolute state of "gamers"
>Nooo it has to be a samegay
You're just autistic and don't want to accept that the game is focused on you buffing yourself, which is why there are like three mods for auto buffing
There's nothing to accept. If you can't handle buffing, play on easy.
Or be (You) and cry about it on Ganker(nel).org.
You really are going to evade the arguments again huh. Or is it that you lack reading comprehension?
Kys, schizo.
How easier is the game thanks to the Inevitable Excess bonus items and spell?
+8 rings are nice on your main frontliner but it's not that big of a gamechanger.
The actual stupid powerful item comes in a form of a helmet for Lich that buffs stats and summons a dragon for free but at that point you are an Act5 Lich and you could be running around naked still destroying every encounter instantly.
Not that dumb gay anon, but to be honest any encounter or area that forces you to spec into excessive buffing or otherwise any niche utility mechanic is just really fricking gay. You should be able to beat them with a well trained party and some quick thinking alone, not by pumping your party full of drugs, potions and magical steroids
That’s why I quit Kingmaker originally. I didn’t really struggle, I just got irritated by the sudden ganks of niche enemies that pretty much required me to know about them while approaching. It’s dumb as shit, saving and reloading all the time isn’t fun.
5th edition was a mistake holy shit
how so?
Our political experts have correctly identified that CRPG video games are made by enemy companies. Owlcat and Larian have consequentially been judged anti-white corporate state neoliberal israeli propaganda. These games present a clear and significant vector for reddit and trannies to infect our ranks with their plague out group bias mentality, the writing and in particular the developers behind these games are monstrous foes advocating sodomite degeneracy and the eradication of our race.
We have declared vendetta. These are no longer video games and will not be tolerated on Ganker.
Fight for what is Right.
Yaaas king!
Based. troony and redditor marvelquip pozzed writing btfo, how will newbies cope and dilate?
I can't even tell if this is serious or not with how fricking moronic election tourists are.
RGS shouldn't have dialogue, this will prevent the dialogue being bad and pozzed.
bg3 only has 1 act out moron
both are shit des
i'd rather replay planescape torment
>WotR end game is literally moronic levels of insane buff stacking and relying on crits to hit 102 ac (unless of course you pick one of the meta instant screen clear builds)
>BG3 has been easy access for years and you can't get past level 4 and hardly past the first two areas
BG3 will be loads better, but every update is "40gb: we redrew a side characters beard!". For not, wotR is at least finished and fun until number crunches much later.
The great debate
Karlach
Left actually has a personality, the right doesn't
>One of the biggest selling points of BG3 is that the Gith girl cheats on you and fricks random dudes
>S-S-She has more personality though!
How the frick is that a selling point?
>2022
>not into cuckoldry
you're on the wrong side of history, chud
Almost every female in both of these games is cuck fetish friendly. The gith girl will bizarrely tell you she's going to frick other men behind your back even when you show no romantic interest in her, and in WotR both Wenduag and Camellia will openly flirt with other men while you're standing right next to them. There's just something about modern CRPG writers that predisposes all of them to being cuckolds
Probably the fact that they're redditors, our enemies, and you should never play these games.
The only conceivable good game has no writing. It's a map of the world and a set of checkboxes on the right. Black folk. homosexuals. Trannies. Cucks. Redditors. Chinks. Spics. Leftists. Gypsies. Liberals. prostitutes. Semites. israelites. You tick all the boxes, and press Kill. If you ticked all the boxes you get a Victory screen, which provides you just enough dopamine you need for the day. A job done, the world better, your heroic actions bear fruit.
If you don't tick all the boxes you are a traitor and the game kills you instead.
No writing is necessary to convey this. It is not a question of dialogue, it is a question of noble spirit, moral courage and strength of will.
Camellia is a psychotic serial killer and Wendy is little better than an animal, anyone actually considering them as a romance option has far greater brain damage than being into cuckoldry
>Camellia is a psychotic serial killer and Wendy is little better than an animal
How does that include cuckoldry
>Camellia will openly flirt with other men while you're standing right next to them.
Doesn't happen, unless you consider responding to a joke daeran started in a not really provocative way.
This, only Wenduag goes around flirting with other people, and having the excellent idea of making up a lie about how she was cucking you.
I mean, that's still a personality
Since when is something like that a selling point?
I always see people posting this but I've never seen a video about it, anyone have something?
Only one has the bordello.
>buff stacking hell versus 5e
Can I pick neither?
So what is the consensus on Divinity OS1 vs OS2?
I have never managed to finish OS1 and I hate how much aimless walking around there is sometimes. It happens far too often that you don't really know what to do next.
Is OS2 better in that regard?
How is the writing in OS2? OS1 had some pretty awful writing.
The overall story is pretty good, has some interesting ideas and twists but the actual writing is bad, it's not godawful but I don't remember feeling anything from it. Your dialogue options are in 3rd person as well which is stupid but I think if you play a prebuilt character some are actual lines? Not sure cause I always built my own
DivOS1 latter part is really damn lacking, most people agree
Pathfinder Kingmaker and Baldur's Gate 2
Both made by pozzed leftists. Both will be destroyed for treachery.
The guy might be a raging autist, but he's correct. If you think an unbuffed martial character can exist in this game, then you either play on normal or barely got past Drezen.
Why would you not use buffs, that's like not using healing
The whole spergout in this thread started from
who implied you can have a "non-buff-reliant" party on core in WotR. You can't, it's bullshit.
Anon, it's already been explained to you how you can.
You lost. Cry about it some more now.
No, you lost. It's over. Mr. I run from every fight in act 4 onwards
Not even the guy you were arguing with. Your whole premise was that it was strictly impossible.
You were proven wrong by the dumbest frick in this thread. You lost.
>He is STILL arguing with /vg/cancer
Oh right, well surely he can just post a screenshot of his build if he managed to beat the game, that'd prove it
I used tabletop tweaks and toybox at launch, so achievements were disabled for me. Gimme a second and I'll dig up some screenshots though
Here's an old screenshot of my fully buffed Angel that BTFO of the entire game effortlessly.
Note the +63 to attack when he's fully buffed.
My AC here is actually much SMALLER then it would be in a vanilla game because tabletop tweaks prevents natural armors from stacking
Nice non buff reliant build moron.
...what? I'm the one SAYING you need buffs for core or higher.
Sorry
How much strength do you have to be able to carry that much what the frick
Well I was implying the guy who said otherwise should be the one posting, I want to see his non-buffed attack and then we can compare it to some random mobs
>How much strength do you have to be able to carry that much what the frick
40+ but I use toybox to double my carry weight because I'm a loot prostitute
>monk dip
If they didn't want people to dip monk, maybe they shouldn't have made it so good.
>BTFO of the entire game effortlessly
>43touch and 16reflex
dumb savescummer acting tough. mommy Areelu kills your toon in a single Hellfire ray
Bro I can cast Bolt of Justice as a swift action + an empowered Bolt of Justice in one turn, I did fine.
yep, I always dip monk. Here's my latest character in Kingmaker
disgusting
>Monk dip
Because that's what the moron here implied you could do on core
I've spent all thread calling him out on his bs
In all seriousness, how much is BG3 finished? Surely we can play more than just 10 hours, right?
I hope they won't show anything else. I want to play it fresh without drip feeding myself into spoiling the entire thing.
>troonyfinder or based gate 3
Hmm, really a hard choice, guess ill say the one without the troony and dicky sex
Why doesn't the game let me rape minhago in act 4
BG3 hasn't even released.
That's a surprising peak on PoE considering when it came out, I know there was some hype for it but I'd have thought it wouldn't be so close to Wrath
Look at all these thousands of moron redditors an their slaves. A pox on their families. They are the pawns of the forces that threaten us and must be destroyed.
Which is the reddit game, Pathfinder?
The one you like
I think they are all mediocre.
Then you're reddit
I'm not flexable enough to shove my head that far up my ass.
CRPGs are a Reddit genre friend. Maybe you should go there.
>CRPGs are a Reddit genre
So, what, should we just be playing shit like Hyperdimension Neptunia and Girls Frontline or whatever?
Ganker and reddit may as well be the same now.
Try saying you like e-girl on reddit.
>reddit has become better than Ganker
How did it happen?
Never really went there when it was new, but apparently it wasn't so gayged up and overmoderated in its early days
All of them are reddit.
All of them written by corporate state propagandist dysgenic homosexuals with no heroical idealism in their empty wicked souls.
Ganker must stand up to this pestilence. The truth will make itself known and the entirety of the western world shall be remade in the flames of our final victories.
>All of them written by corporate state propagandist dysgenic homosexuals with no heroical idealism in their empty wicked souls.
That describes pretty much every video game.
nuprey
Baldur's Gate 3 has nicer graphics so I'd go with that personally.
>muh GRAFIX
state
Is this a troll? It's one of the most stupid posts I've seen
For me, it's Expeditions: Rome.
>new pathfinder
>rogue trader
>bg3
literally in a new golden era of crpgs
can't wait, anons
true, good time to be an rpg fan
Stop liking video games
Both are terrible compared to Divinity Original Sin 2, but I guess WotR beats out BG3 since it's not even released anyway
>https://old.reddit.com/r/Pathfinder_Kingmaker/comments/w7j2dl/wotr_enhanced_edition_mythic_changes/ihkn4q3/?context=3
So this seems to be the biggest confirmation on the Devil Path and other late paths getting a significant amount of content in the EE. Early paths for them all maybe?
They already said that they're adding more late-game mythic content
>Early paths for them all maybe?
I fricking wish. The only reason I completed the survey they sent out a long time ago was to suggest this, a more organic mythic progression and no more "late game" mythic paths apart from legend, for obvious reasons.
Pathfinder easily. OS3 is a unfinished game with shit writing as expected from nu larian.
translesbian orc Black person fests aren't exactly the peak of writing either, at least DOS2 had good gameplay
The writing is marvel levels of shit in OS2, it's absolutely trash aimed at low attention span teenagers
Literally who gives a shit? The gameplay is great and it's not filled with AIDS like the other 2 games
Who gives a shit about writing in a rpg? You are the peak audience for nu larian. At least you guys get os3 and I'll stick with mine
You can keep it if this is the shit you want to slurp up, ya gigahomosexual
>one of the various endings
>completely up to the player
Huh? In my game regongar drank himself to death and I married Kalikke
post the one where he kills himself after you steal his girl
You should stop getting your information from this place because that never happens, he dies before the ending slides against Nyrissa
You're both israelite slaves and neither of you will survive what's coming after Ganker defeats reddit.
Why do you morons play video games with bad writing? Don't you realise that you should be doing your spiritual duty instead? When was the last time any of you even posted on /misc/, the true board of this website that encompasses all things political, which is everything because everything is political?
In 2020 when trump lost
because there are more to video games than writing
dumb boomergay
>Why do you morons play video games with bad writing?
Name 1 good well written video game that is also not railroading the gameplay as a result of hamfisting the story to work
I don't need to, that isn't the point. The point is don't pledge your allegience to gommoran troony idols and purge your life of the influences of our enemies. Otherwise you have noone to blame for your empty materialistic soul and degenerate actions but yourself.
There is nothing wrong with liking traps.
im liking pathfinder so far still getting the hang of the controls though
decided to go monk
I haven't even played BG3 yet, but BG3
WotR was cancer by about 20 minutes in and I uninstalled. thank Dog for piracy
pathfinder is the only crpg I've ever played, baldurs gate looks quite cringe and lame
>90 hours of playtime
>Only reached act 4 yet
Guys...when will it end?
hahaha
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAHHAA
Anyone played modded BG/BG2 recently? I want to do another replay. Last time I used Big World Project as a convenient mod manager, but it's been abandoned.
Is there any alternative that gives me up to date mods in a nice interface so I don't have to download stuff one by one?
I don't play games made by trannies, leftists and redditors and if you're posting on Ganker you shouldn't either.
what was arueshalae built for, exactly?
Cuddling with ME
every shape and size of wiener in the planes
Gold Dragon wiener
Shoulder touching
https://vocaroo.com/12JUKQNTn8ph
I'll probably like BG3 more when it's actually finished. Pathfinder isn't actually all that good outside of build autism.
Bg3 ,pathfinder is too autistic
>all these grognards defending that piece of shit pathfinder
BG3 isn't even finished yet and it's already a more polished game
Both of them are buggy piles of shit, but at least BG3 has the excuse that it isn't fully released
>Baldur's Gate 3.
Yea okay lets talk about it whenever it is finished