>pay $1000 for your own OC to be in the game.
>only available in a small secret room a single day of the year for 1 hour.
>meanwhile someone who paid only $500 gets to be in the main game for no reason.
This is unethical.
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What’s unethical is trying to insert your disgusting fetish character into someone’s passion project
Toby Fox and Omocat already insert their moronic gay shotacon fetish into their passion projects, how is fatfur any more disgusting?
t. fatfurgay
kys
Adult Asriel is hot, I give no fricks about young Asriel and if you do you have a problem.
Toby clearly likes them young
Ralsei was better blacked out and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
This is peak Ralsei
That's the river person, you can't fool me
Based Hypertwink lover.
PLEASE post more
Because I want to frick the shit out of this green cat
The correct answer.
Neither of these characters is gay thoughever
It's totally ethical, Toby consented to it.
Under duress because the guy wouldn't take his money back
>Take your money back, I don't want this guy in my game
>No
>Fricking homosexual ass fatfrick Black person. If you persist, he's going to be buried away in the game never to be found except by people who would look up hidden content in my game.
>OK
>Fine, frick you.
...
>TOBY FOX DID ME WRONG I DINDU NUFFIN
That's the problem. You don't understand nuance. You're the type of man laws are made for, because you just have to be a disingenuous pig and skirt all the rules and play dumb to get your way.
he didn't actually, he tried to refund the guy but the guy refused
And he won, you crying about it also means you lost
NTA but I'm glad obnoxious homosexuals like you don't have friends
You also lost huh, how long are you going to cry about it?
Okay then why are you crying that his OC is hidden if he "won"
won what? wasnt he arrested due to discord grooming or something recently?
Toby literally asked the guy to change it or if he could give him his money back because this character REALLY did not fit into his game at all and was very blatantly a weird fetish character. Because the guy couldn't be reasoned with and he was contractually obligated to include him, he included him in a way that didn't ruin the rest of his game.
Meanwhile the person who designed Muffy did this character as a completely new OC, did it with the intention of making it fit in among the other characters, didn't look out of place and wasn't blatant fetish bait, and Toby liked it. So yes, Muffy got preferential treatment.
Huh? Alphys??
If your "passion project" lets in someone's fetish character for $1000 then it's not a passion project.
Literally Toby was contractually and legally obligated to placate Samael despite trying to give the money back.
>despite trying to give the money back
PROOFS?
proofs
https://fwugradiation.tumblr.com/post/143231885346/about-sam-so-sorry
I'm not seeing anything about him paying o have it removed.
Better open your eyes then
Jesus, I suck wieners, can't believe I missed it, I'm so sorry
>I suck wieners
People are exaggerating, the "paying" to have it removed is the refund offer.
He wasn't contractually nor legally obligated to do that.
This was kickstarter. Nobody on kickstarter is obligated to do anything.
nah, it's based. muffet is a design worth $5000 and toby is blessed someone paid him $500 to put her in the game.
butterhomosexual is a detriment to everyone's eyes and is rightfully buried. I bet that homosexual who made him just slipped further and further into degeneracy and probably gets off to guro now.
>now
He's always been that way. His OC isn't a "butter dragon" for no reason. What is butter meant to be done with?
What it always was anal
> and probably gets off to guro now.
he was even more degenerate than just plain guro when undertale first released
haven't checked on him in a while though, but i think he might've trooned out at least.
Hey, don't lump us in with that creature.
>t.gurogay
You are literally into gore. I severely dislike that Samael guy, but don't pretend you have any fetish superiority over him.
You are both right, but at least I know my fetish is fricked up and don't try to shove it into games children play. So no, I WILL claim superiority over him.
That's the baseline, not something to be proud of.
You belong in a nuthouse, sicko. You are the lowest form of freak, literally getting off on human pain and misery.
Didn't butterhomosexual get outed as a genuine pedo recently?
Where? This thread is the first I'm hearing of this
I just call anyone I don't like pedo and it always works lol
Oops, didn't notice that someone already mentioned it here:
>I bet that homosexual who made him just slipped further and further into degeneracy and probably gets off to guro now.
He unsurprisingly trooned out a few years ago, so So Sorry is now a troony character
I want him to say "So Sorry" after he farts into my mouth
>t. Pyrocynical
Get some taste you disgusting homosexual
If it's muffet it's ok
I feel bad for anyone who played Undertale on the particular day and particular hour that So Sorry can be accessed. It's a popular enough game that someone had to have stumbled on him by sheer accident.
>character (based) got more screen time than character (cringe)
Gee anon I wonder why
i like your bait, but i'll take it anyway.
>pay someone $1000 to have your grotesque literal butter dragon fursona in the game
>guy tells you "people are going to make fun of you if you do this"
>get huffy and demand he keeps your disgusting fetish character in
>be surprised when someone who designs an appealing not-fetish-bait character gets more prominence while your piece of shit is kept as the biggest secret just in the hopes of keeping you from getting laughed at up and down the street by the internet at large
>muffet
>not-fetish-bait character
Aside from being an a bug girl, yeah, no fetish here.
>findom
She is my fetish
Muffet is literally just little miss muffet mixed with the spider. She gets art because she's cute, not because she's fetish; even if some of the art that comes out of it turns into fetish
what's the fetish there besides "female" you literal objective homosexual
Female domination, bondage, more that 2 arms, more than 2 eyes, unusual skin color.
If anything it should be a cautionary tale to anyone trying to crowd fund, don't ever allow a chance for furries or autists (the boomerang moron) to put their OCs into your game
wasn't it the butterdragons idea to hide it and he just sperged out later and tried to blame toby
yeha it was something like that, in any case he 100% had a change of heart and blamed toby down the line a year or two after release
I'm guessing he saw Muffet and how popular and well received she was and had his 'It should have been me!!!' moment, then went on to not have an ounce of self-awareness and sperg out on the internet about it
How did Undertail avoid this?
Toby probably made it clear that the insert had to be a monster
and Reize autist has an entire bio page it would clash with so he probably let Undertale go
The tamest autist who ever lived.
Yeah, he's harmlessly weird and his OC doesn't really have anything terrible about it, which is odd in and of itself because the autistic OCs are almost always quirky and edgy, while Reize is just generic.
If Reize was just the hero of some mediocre indie JRPG-like game like he should've been then nobody would care about him, the weird part is the guy insisting on forcing him into everything as his self-insert OC instead.
The Reize guy sounds ridiculous at first, but he's just a guy with money who really likes his OC.
I am envious, tbh.
Nah he sucks. I'd let my OC get blown to bits if the game demanded it, and I'd be proud.
this guy is based, though
boomerangs are cool and im tired of pretending they're not
How many games have you forced your OC into?
yes
It's just that the guy behind it is extremely obsessed with this character and anyone using it in a game must follow a long set or rules about him, like never making him lose. If I remember they had to make him just flee the combat at the end of the fight in shovel knight because the author refuses to see him getting wasted.
He's also painfully generic. Which is amusing given how long his bio is.
He does get banned in Crosscode, so that's kind of like losing, I guess. Not really the same of course.
how nofun do you have to be to not have your OC lose in a cameo the developer is graciously allowing
>graciously allowing
For hundreds of dollars.
That the developer didn't have to offer
game development is super expensive and anyone willing to shell out $500 to put their shitty oc in the game is a like a godsent to them
toby fox was a /weg/ moronoid spamming and shilling Ganker about his game like some homosexual beggar once and many times he got banned for advertising. he was fricking poor and didnt expect to make even $100 from his 8 bit game.
>never making him lose
This is why Baz will be remembered more than him
Was the hat guy also a backer character? That one was great.
I think all the map fights were, plus a couple of enemies
Phantom Striker is underrated as frick, only one that feels like he belongs in the world
It's actually a bit weird how crucial Reize is in the Specter Knight campaign
Qrd? I've only ever seen him in Shovel Knight. He's in more games?
Some dude who loves putting his OC in any game he can, made a whole back story for the dude that may or may not be implemented. Personally haven't heard anything egregious about him, just being a little bit antsy about his OC's presentation. He's never made a whole whining post like butter dragon's owner has as comparison.
isn't the oc owner black? which is weird since his boomerang son is white?
i haven't even heard of him in nearly a decade now since undertale and shovelknight. wonder if he still puts his oc in kickstarter games.
Yes. Iirc, the owner was a rich black doctor.
he's transracial, dont be bigoted
So all these universes are connected right?
lol reminds me of this Twitter homosexual with a mimiga OC he keeps getting all artists to draw (for a price)
This is actually really common, to be honest. People with a lot of money get a million commissions of their characters all the time. Dealing with transformation images I see repeat characters a lot.
extremely based autist, he should be in more games because it's funny as frick. The more clashing with the game setting the better.
the glorious year 2050:
>reize in dark souls 9
>reize in halo 12
>reize in ALL of your indie darlings
>Reize in system shock 2 remake by nightdive
>Reize in Armored Core 7
>Reize in hollow knight dlc ( pushed back to winter of 2080 )
>glorious year 2050
>Raize in Silksong
>Raize in Half-life 3
This makes me wish there was a Nega-autist that made a shadow the hedgehog styled darker better cooler cringer reize and tried to get him in every game reize gets in from now on.
I honestly respect the hustle. It’s certainly a way to leave your mark on the world even if it’s minuscule and borderline insane.
In some tiny way he's immortal.
As the 'Huh, I vaguely recognize that actor' of kickstarter games.
Reize X Muffet porn when?
Don't forget Indivisible where he ironically was throwing shade at Shovel Knight for having too many cameos
i don't care for the pot calling the kettle black. if you said that dialog belonged to anja remarking on reize, i wouldn't bat an eye.
man i'm still salty about indivisible since it had the potential to be genuinely good.
Too bad that you can tell it's a game made by women, not in the sense that i think they make things of low quality, but more the obsession of wanting to get all of their beloved character designs into the game and prioritizing it over making the characters actually interesting and giving them depth.
It's a joke how they all stay the same except for literal post game quests giving them miniscule upgrades
This is based actually. The design is inoffensive and seems to mesh well into different styles, and it just seems like he really likes his OC and wants it to show up in things and uses money to do so.
If I was rich as frick I would absolutely do this with a e-girl that I also commission porn of too.
Holy shit I didn't know he's done this more than once, instantly elevated to based category for this. 10/10 autist, would listen to ramble about his OC.
I find it funny most people now associate this guy with shovel knight than other stuff
like avalis with starbound
oc ntr
>stuck in the worst Shovel Knight DLC
Based.
best*
Its not that bad. If you didn't know he was someone's OC, you wouldn't even think twice about him showing up.
Down Syndrome face
spider sex hot
diaper fur not
I googled butterdragon. I wish I hadn't.
pwned
i wonder how toby feels now that the guy who made the shitty So Sorry OC is an actual pedophile, to the surprise of no one lol
lmao for real?
yea
any screencaps or something? i don't really feel like googling the subject so i'll accept if you just say no frick you
Proof or nah?
NTA https://www.tumblr.com/stopscammingartists/746081151818645504/
>floraverse zoopedo pengosolvent cult
this sounds like some shitty adult swim bit
literally this, it's all random word salad that got forgotten about a week later
i thought the two agreed to swap their roles, we almost got so sorry as a mandatory boss and muffet as a small side-route
of course something called the Floraverse would have a ton of pedos
iirc it's some kind of autistic furry webcomic made by Hiimdaisy, the chick who did those MGS comics that used to be everywhere.
>made by Hiimdaisy
No it isn't, how the frick did you get that idea? Floraverse was made by Glitchedpuppet AKA Purplekecleon who was originally known for some Pokemon Mystery Dungeon roleplay group shit.
This is the weirdest fricking thing for Pengosolvent to be mentioned with.
>posting obvious lies on the internet
It's plainly clear the guy's thing is butter dragons
Muffet is seamlessly integrated into the game.
Thoughts on Glyde?
It's funny that So Sorry is more popular than Glyde just because of the controversy
>Thoughts on Glyde?
I don't have any
It's a shitty clone of another monster already in the game. There's nothing notable about him at all.
There are no thoughts about Glyde at all
In this, he is at least superior to So Sorry
I like how the gimmick for finding him feels like a playground rumor for an old game, like unlocking Luigi in Super Mario 64 or finding the Pokegods in Pokemon Red and Blue.
about on par with the slime samurai guys from shovel knight, in the sense that they're Just Kinda There
Glyde is the best backer character
>ethics
>in video games
Can you imagine if the cringe OC wasn't hidden away? Would it have ruined UT's popularity?
Ruined? Nah. Hurt? For sure.
One thing is for certain: it would have damaged a LOT of kids. They would've been converted into butterdragonism because of the character. It's not their fault, Sonic made autists out of a generation too.
Better to be hidden away.
Honestly this is probably the real reason he's so pissy over his character being hidden.
>But it was meant to convert a shitload of kids to der butterdrakgen!
well he started b***hing when his commissions dried up, so probably
it would have simply created more weight gain fetishists
poopy joe would have been vindicated
It would have significantly hurt the perception of the game. One of the biggest criticisms of the game is alphys being terrible, the game can't afford to have more horrible characters that people hate.
It also goes to show that if you do some kind of special fan contest or backer rewards where people are allowed to put something in your game or whatever, you need to have some kind of backup plan just in case someone does something stupid so you can minimize the damage. It would piss off the fans you already had if you changed something in the game because somebody won some kind of contest, for example, if somebody wins a contest and requests that they turn several characters into trannies, you need to think of a way to get around that instead of just doing whatever they say and making a bunch of fan-favorite characters troon out for no reason.
Yeah but people hate Alphys for being a murderer/experimenting on sapient organisms/playing god, not being a fatass.
>not being a fatass
I hate her for being a dyke and a fatass.
No, I hate Alphys for being a fatass
I hate Alphys because she calls you every 3 steps in Hotland and refuses to just leave you alone and let you play the game, AND she's the only major character you can't kill in the Genocide route
The True Lab is about the only thing that made me interested in Alphys
i like alphys
should've made the dragon the main character to really test people's resolve
I think So Sorry himself isn't so bad. It's not like you can magically tell all the fetish stuff the author did with him. But it'd have been weird to have him in the main game after knowing the "backstory" of the character.
that's exactly why so sorry was initially accepted, nothing was disclosed about Samael (the owner) being a total complete fricking degenerate who faps to guro
toby had to learn after the fact and try to refund, or else dial it back
>anyone playing Undertale calling anyone else a degenerate
how is that relevant to the conversation? i expect that you're nta and just some moron jumping in with moron words. explain yourself or be ignored
The most based part was Toby making it a date right before the release date of the game that fricker made sure it was something no one would see on accident until a while
Holy shit that never even occurred to me
>Undertale released September 15, 2015
>So Sorry date is October 10
Alas.
>Try to put your embarrassing fursona in the game unchanged despite Toby warning you that it'll make people angry
vs.
>Working with Toby to design a brand new character that fits into the gameworld and lore and will appeal to players
>good design gets rewarded
This is the epitome of ethical
Where's ch3 you lazy hack?
Reminder that the whole "deliberately sealed in a room no one would ever find by accident" thing was the compromise the guy took from Toby after completely refusing to take his money back.
>Toby didn't want the thing in his game
>Sperg didn't want to compromise on a different design OR a refund
>Toby told him he'd go out of his way to make sure people never saw it if he was being forced into including it
>Sperg agreed
Speaking of Muffet's designer though, I wonder whatever happened with Ava's Demon.
>ava's demon
don't care
I remember that character. Some webcomic right? She was hot
It's still going at a hideously slow pace made worse by the fact the series has multiple protagonist groups to now "meanwhile" to. They're also coasting on physical versions of their product.
Shame how all the webcomics turned out shit.
The real irony is that Muffet ended up getting loads of fat art over So Sorry, whose artist is a fat fetishist
I tried searching for more on this story and I just found a bunch of r*ddit homosexuals defending it.
>duhh it's just a monster guys what is the big deal if it is a deranged fetish monster
what the frick are you guys talking about? i just watched the so sorry thing and it just looks like a clumsy silly character, what fetish was that supposed to be?
google samael the butterdragon
>samael
Fricking hell, so not only a furry inflationist, but also a chuuni.
>the perfect name for my cartoony fat inflating dragon should be synonymous with satan it will make him more endearing
Muffet fit in with the game and I didn't even think she was a fan character until someone told me.
the gayron is a blatant oc donut steel.
>trying to forcefully impose you diaper/shit/vore based cringe OC on someone else's game because you gave them 1k
This c**t should be lynched.
Him and the guy who did the same about that kanji monster battles game.
>that kanji monster battles game
You mean that kaiju game? They had like half a dozen furries demand their OCs get in, not just one.
Damn I always thought it was just one weirdo with his stupid kangaroo.
The other 'famous' furry OC was the fat dragon one, but that guy had a better rep because he at least wanted his character redesigned to look like a reasonable kaiju.
>Early 2010's
>Toho being extra stingy with Godzilla IP because the Bryan Cranston Godzilla Film wasn't out yet to prove American's wouldn't frick it up
>Dev from popular X-Box Godzilla brawler game wants another shot to restore the "Kaiju" fightan game sub genre
>Gets some popular Kaiju artists like Godzilla Samurai to start churning out designs.
>In need of greater funding, the team makes the unwise decision to offer backer OC implementation for highest backers
>Ganker obviously gets wind and does their own shit (I believe it was a monster made of bees and a monster made of army men working together? )
>The Furhomosexual community, however, sees it was an opportunity to insert their fetishes into a game for bragging rights.
>Several entries are obviously from furries, such as a purple white hyena kaiju called the "Hound of [Made up bullshit idk] and some Polar Bear
>One furhomosexual who can't draw lets Godzilla Samurai do whatever with his design and she becomes an unusual Ultraman like entity with dragon elements that Ganker actually likes.
>On the opposite end, there is Duncan.
>Duncan is the creation of a furgay going by the same name, who is a giant macro fetish green kangaroo.
>Duncan is basically what happens when a young autistic child falls in love with 90's cookie mascot character Duncan the Dunkaroo and then grows up to be a wealthy degenerate
>Duncan is incredibly specific with how Duncan is portrayed and does not want the character to behave like a kaiju, instead acting like a looney tunes character
>Complains every step of the way about what the team is doing with their character
>Team tries to take Godzilla NES creepypasta demon RED and make him a character with a possession mechanic
>Duncan gets mad because his kangaroo cannot canonically be affected by Red's corruption
>Duncan also drags his macro fetish friend along who does not want his fetish on display, bankrolling them to make Macrosaur
Why are furgays always the most obnoxious motherfrickers to walk the earth? If I'm part of a fetish centered group I'd make sure to lower my head and not get noticed but they do the opposite and then cry about society rejecting them.
The worst thing I do is using Angel Dust as a reaction pic because I find him cute. A furgay would bribe the jannies to make it so anyone criticizing AD get banned, force the mods to pin an AD thread on top of the catalog 24/7 and they'd group up on discord to stalk and cancel anyone talking bad about them and their behavior. It's always pushed to the extreme.
Autism. I'm not saying this like an insult or a meme, furry fandom has a lot of things that people with autism enjoy. People with autism more often don't perceive social stigma in the same way and often like bright colors and cartoon characters and things designed for children.
Do you ever wonder why so many furries seem to have infinite money for commissioning art and porn of their OC? Because people with autism also quite frequently work enjoy work with a lot of logic involved, like IT work, or accounting.
>Because people with autism also quite frequently work enjoy work with a lot of logic involved, like IT work, or accounting.
Autism doesn't restrict you to IT. So many autistic gays love trains and airplanes.
Also IT and Accounting only pays high salaries to sociable Chads and stacies.
90% of furries are autistic
t. furgay
Ironically I was interested in funding the game but they had that green kangaroo on their page and I thought it was so stupid that I ended up not funding it.
Didn't even know the story at the time
>Team tries to take Godzilla NES creepypasta demon RED and make him a character with a possession mechanic
>Duncan gets mad because his kangaroo cannot canonically be affected by Red's corruption
You have that slightly wrong.
Originally the setup for the game was that all the monsters were being mind controlled to fight each other but Duncan whined that his Kangaroo is supposed to be immune to mind control so they had to come up with a new setup.
No one would have a problem with So Sorry if the character was female let’s be real
no, frick off
only if it was just her breasts that inflated
put spyro shitting in the game
With kickstarter, there is no requirements outside a game needing to be released and everything listed is provided. They can frick over many different things as long as it's added
I love Muffet. I love the drawings where she's naked in public but uses her hands to cover herself
And which drawing is that
There is a few
This site gets so boring when nobody talks about the things you like or make a genuine thread you put effort into but see it die with 0 replies
it's all but necessary to either have an inflammatory OP (either wrong or aggressive, or both), have cropped porn ready to go, samegay in your thread, or just be talking about whatever's the top topic on social media at the time, if you want to get your thread off the ground
simply saying "Hey this is a good game, has anyone else played it?" or anything like that just gets ignored because it's not attention grabbing enough compared to all the other shit going on
Yeah i noticed that. talking about ecelebs is not my thing so I guess I wont try to OP again since I suck at it lmao
>game makes a fun thing that allows people to support the game and have their character included
>Bullshit ensues
Didn't skullgirls have something like that too?
I think that as background characters in Stages
The only one I remember is Zone-Tan lmao
You're thinking of Juju
Tldr:
>Black person named Cee suggests they make a ninja assassin sniper character as a throwaway Facebook comment
>Skullgirls devs draw a concept for it, everyone likes it
>Skullgirls had a voting system for potential DLC characters during their Indiegogo campaign, they put Juju in it due to her positive reception
>Cee gets butthurt and demands money/credit since it's his project
>They relent and, behind closed doors, agree to credit/pay him and make him sign an NDA
>He immediately goes on Facebook and breaks the NDA, telling everyone Juju will be playable
>They remove her from the poll and pull all association with Cee due to breaking NDA
Might have gotten a few things wrong since it was so long ago
the only unethical thing about it is that the homosexual only had to pay 1000 dollars to force his shit-tier character into the game.
considering what he's into, shit-tier probably sounds like high praise to him.
What happens in a man's life that turns him from a regular chubby chaser to this?
>people see this and ask why tobyfox hid samael butterhomosexual away
>What happens in a man's life that turns him from a regular chubby chaser to this?
being born wrong, as a joke
t. also into that shit
>even the feet get all bloated
Eugh.
does anybody know what he looks like in real life? i want to know if he's really fat or if he's rail thin and this is all a fetish
Question Ganker
Would you willingly become a demented furry with nothing else on the mind if it meant you were absolutely rich? Somehow it’s always furries that are rich buttholes
I am already rich and not a furry. I would like to keep it that way.
older gen furries are, new gen furries are almost all nearly starving zoomers
no
I'm already into a lot of weird shit, but I keep it under wraps, with a few degrees of separation from my actual personality. Being rich would be good, but not at the cost of completely surrendering my dignity. It wouldn't be me being rich, but something wretched wearing my skin.
Opposite of this anon
, I'm a degenerate wearing the skin of a well-adjusted wage slave. Give me the money so I can immerse myself in my fetishes as much as I did before full-time work sucked out my passion
I get to be myself and also rich, what's the catch?
ripping morons off is never unethical
especially furhomosexuals
seriously, has the boomerang homosexual been in a game in the past decade or no?
I think he stopped somewhere around 2017
afaik him taking a big center stage in the specter knight dlc was the last time
A fricking green kangaroo.
>b-b-but I paid you $1000
>and that gives you power over the game's design?
I think it's worth reminding people that Samael (So Sorry's creator) was actually a fairly reasonable guy, for a while. He was the one who suggested So Sorry be hidden in the first place.
What happened was that he's literally a schizophrenic who went off his meds sometime after he stopped making commission money, and had a psychotic break in which he accused Toby of being a bigot and facist (primarily for painting Asgore as sympathetic) and deliberately catering to the e-girl crowd with Muffet's inclusion.
I can't hate the guy because even if he acts like a dickhead, he's a legitimate unmedicated schizo. He's not in control of his actions and I hope he can get help instead of continuing to be suckered in by terrible online circlejerks like he has been, but so far that hasn't happened.
Also, personally, I think So Sorry's in-game design is pretty frickin' cute. Just a shame that it had to be associated with the living trainwreck that Samael is right now.
How the frick is Muffet a e-girl?
Her creator describes her as a 'cute spider child', Muffet is absolutely not meant to be an adult. Whether merely being a child makes you a e-girl is an entirely different debate.
her creator called her a baby on her twitter, though i think? she specified later that she meant it in a "this is my precious daughter" kinda way and not a literal "she is a literal baby" kinda way
No adult spider would wear that outfit
what do adult spiders wear
my cum
she isn't
Trannies hate Muffet's creator for being too based
moron
>Looks at that design
>Thinks she's not a child
Anyway e-girl Muffet art is the best art anyway, so if you think I'm calling her one as a negative then you're wrong.
Muffet has her own business, is the leader of the spiders, and speaks in a formal way. There's literally nothing in the game that implies she's a e-girl
Is this your first time engaging with non-realistic media or something? Stop coping already, you probably fap to the art that gives her giant breasts anyway.
You haven't explained why she's a e-girl though
She looks like one, and e-girl is a bodytype. Are you dumb? Not seen enough 10,000 year old e-girl dragons yet or something?
>she looks like one
She doesn't.
>Round face
>No hips, breasts, or ass
>Pigtails
When's the last time you saw an adult running around with that haircut, anon?
Wtf is this dumb c**t talking about? It's a fricking spider.
A spider child. Anon, you're on Ganker, you don't need to moralgay like anyone cares about what a cartoon is.
>A spider child.
No I've literally never thought about her as a e-girl it's a spider? Am i being baited?
When was the last time you saw a fricking spider monster person running around you deranged homosexual? Come back to reality.
Yeah bro I guess Asriel can't be a kid either because he's a monster.
literally no one believes you
People are less moronic than you in dedicated Muffet threads, I guess this thread has just attracted all you twitter tourists who clutch your pearls over cartoons and feel offended.
*barfs all over you*
sorry what were you saying? i wasn't listening
>*action*
wew
All the time in Japan, where some women use the same gothic e-girlta style
You mean the people intentionally trying to look like children in vicotorian getup?
>frilly black dresses = child
>Gothic e-girlta
>e-girlta
Hey anon, do you know who e-girlta is and why the term 'e-girl' is used to refer to young anime girls?
That's irrelevant because the outfits are inspired by the clothes of victorian women
>That's irrelevant
You can't just declare it's irrelevant because you feel like it. It's Gothic. e-girlta. The e-girlta part is as important a part as the Gothic one is.
>Victorian women
No, Victorian girls. Hence, e-girlta. They didn't pick that term because they're arbitrary or moronic, anon. The Japanese know who e-girlta is.
Midwit argument, you are literally just playing semantics
No, I'm literally pointing out to you what the terminology is, and you're coping and pretending they called it e-girlta for no reason because you like it. Anon, they're still grown ass women doing it, why should you be so upset that their outfits are meant to look like girls'?
>and you're coping and pretending they called it e-girlta for no reason because you like it.
Show me a source proving otherwise, you are the one who claimed they are related
>I didn't source my claim but now you have to
The last refuse of someone who lost a fricking Ganker argument: demanding people give him citations on short notice because he can't defend his own point.
Says the guy whose argument it's just making assumptions of something he doesn't know about. If you were arguing in good faith you would look up pictures of victorian women
>You're just making assumptions
Says the guy whose argument is "They called it e-girlta for no reason."
Because nobody knows the origin of the name.
http://www.fyeahe-girlta.com/2013/11/why-is-e-girlta-called-e-girlta-does-e-girlta.html?m=1
>His source is from westerners
Ah yes, very trustworthy.
Show me a japanese source
Hypocrite
I wipe my ass with a westerner's opinion on Japanese culture.
That means I win the debate, you just discarded your headcanon
>The chicken jumps up on the board, knocks over all the pieces, and struts around like it won
>breasts
huh???
Do you see any breasts on that sprite, anon?
It's a spider...
With no breasts, like I said.
>With no breasts, like I said.
Spiders don't have breasts...
They also don't wear their hair up in a stereotypical kindergarten hairstyle.
I guess Toriel is a child too because she has neither because she is a fridge.
>Round face
>No hips, breasts, or ass
Black person, it's a pixelated drawing of a monster spider girl. You're just projecting your own fantasies onto a simple, abstract drawing. I could also look at OP's pic and say "So Sorry is a child, look at him, he has a round face and a very small chubby body". That's not how it works
>When's the last time you saw an adult running around with that haircut
Oh so NOW real life matters? Muffet's entire behaviour is that of an adult, but that doesn't matter because it's fiction. Except now it matters if she has pigtails, something an adult can do too anyway.
>You projected
I'm looking at her design:
and not coping about it. Remember what site you're on, you're not on twitter defending your right to fap to her.
>She acts like an adult so
We both know the reason you keep referencing that twitter drawing is because you know the actual in-game design does not look like a e-girl at all
>you're not on twitter defending your right to fap to her
Yeah, I'll keep fapping to femdom Muffet art where she behaves like the classy, dominant woman she is
>She acts like an adult so
Learn to read. The point of my post is that I'm referencing your hypocrisy. You're using real life as a parameter only when it fits your narrative
She still looks like a e-girl in-game, it's just that the drawing is more detailed than the sprite.
>I'll keep fapping to her being a class dominant woman
See? You're motivated by your fanfiction, very autistic.
>You're a hypocrite
Someone wearing pigtails looks childish real or fake, anon. You're the one being too autistic to understand context.
It's a spider
she was clearly made as one, toby changed her to fit the game, just as he changed the fat dragon
Toby didn't change her at all though, because her creator didn't design her as fetish bait. Her being a child doesn't make her fetish bait anymore than Frisk is fetish bait.
he removed the more babylike traits, big eyes, small mouth, shorter hair
Wasn't Muffet drawn completely differently by one of the artists for some stickers or something? I swear I remember something like that but I can't remember if it was some fanmade thing or official. Not I'm not talking about the tarot card.
He didn't make the sprites. It's just a style difference, anyway.
this. she's an anthropomorphized spider who serves tea and sells overpriced pastries. nothing about her says 'e-girl'
Except that design.
ok tumblrtroony
you're right
we should be fapping to butterdragon instead
>Anyway e-girl Muffet art is the best art anyway, so if you think I'm calling her one as a negative then you're wrong.
>She's a ruthless capitalist spider
>Noooooooo, she's a chiiiiiiiiiild
I'm amazed that the twitteroids haven't come for Toby for having a positive depiction of a capitalist in his game honestly.
She spends the whole fight trying to have you eaten alive by her spider horde and would have succeeded until she learned you were a paying customer. I wouldn't call that positive
If she's not hanging from a lamp post she's a bad capitalist in the eyes of your run of the mill twitteroid.
The entire reason she attacks you is because some (Flowey) told her that you kill and torture spiders for kicks. The fight ends when:
>she gets word that you haven't killed any spiders at all (which is impossible even on Genocide)
>you donated to the Spider Bake Sale so it was clearly a lie
>you bought the 9999g donut and skip the entire fight because obviously it's a crock of shit and you fricking LOVE spiders
At no point does she care about the money
Wonder is she'll eventually get into Deltarune
I don't think your average player ever noticed she was a backer character, she doesn't really feel out of place.
Btw can you kill So Sorry in Genocide?
>Btw can you kill So Sorry in Genocide?
It was rumored that you could for the longest time, and as an oversight because of his boss battle you MAY have been able to in the first version of Undertale since killing him wouldn't increment the kill counter.
I'm not sure that you could though.
That area of Hotlands isn't accessible
So basically not only do you need to be playing in one of two specific hours of the year to see him, you also need to not be doing one of the 2/3 routes
>Ava's demon creator made a character for Undertale
Huh, small world
>Also, personally, I think So Sorry's in-game design is pretty frickin' cute.
i've disregarded everything you said
The In-Game design, not the ugly ass refsheet with the moobs that he draws.
Muffet is a cute clothed little girl who will not be sexual to most people and finding out that Samael is a fat fetish character is one google search away.
This is why people don't like So Sorry.
With Muffet, the horny comes from the player (if at all)
With So Sorry the horny is forced on the player by the creator.
That's the difference
I want to FRICK so sorry. I don't give a shit about drama my dick wants
I want more games to cater to my fat fetish!
Undertale and Deltarune have the Cat b***hes, you already have good lardgoon
what the hell is a butter dragon?
it's a chaotic evil dragon lineage known for it's deadly acid reflux breath
......so it's a vore thing?
i think that anon was trying to make a joke, but in actuality yes, it is very much a vore thing.
Some furries tend to make up cutesy nonsense species for their characters. It means about as much as the elephants in Winnie the Pooh being called Heffalumps.
I haven't played or seen undertale since release year and just found out about char on left, reading about it briefly convinced me the guy behind it is an obsese troony
That's all
guess what, he IS an obese troony
these are not equal
one is cringe and the other is based
they way they handled their inclusion was the most ethical way it could have been handled
$1k is still pretty cheap to forever appear in something as iconic as undertale
"appear" is a bit of a stretch here.
I doubt more than maybe 100 people managed to find so sorry naturally without prior knowledge of his existence.
Why would I care about other people? I'm in Undertale, that's what matters.
m-marge?
I was going to add a furry race to my game but this thread and the recent HD2 scandal make me change my mind. The free art isn't fricking worth it
In the years i've known about undertale i've NEVER got the impression muffet was a kid.
Because porn artists draw everyone with the same generic H-cup tittied body.
Try being less of an embarrassment to the entire human race.
Maybe then people will tolerate you a bit more.
sans is 8 years old
ToT
it's fricking dumb to be upset because that thing is basically this game's super duper secret boss and is only notable because of that. i didn't even know muffet was a donator character and, although she has a 10/10 design and is on the main route, she still stands out way less to me than the character who you have to enter a secret room on a specific day in order to fight.
>super duper secret boss
more like a dark secret the devs are embarrassed about but forced to put in so they make it almost impossible to find and hope people don't care enough to go out of their way to find it.
it's like if once a year you shat out an egg that could never be gotten rid of so you create a secret tunnel to a deep dark pit in your basement to put all the eggs so no one could ever find them. the gay is the shit egg. toby didn't want anyone to find the shit egg so he tried to build a secret tunnel to a deep dark pit in his basement. noone can blame him for doing so, any sane human would do the same.
That's some fetish you've got there buddy
how in the frick is that a fetish thing
do you want to shit eggs, anon? I created that metaphor by thinking of something unavoidable that happens once a year that you would want to have a nice day over if anyone found out because that's how I would feel in toby's situation. if you think it's disgusting then mission accomplished, if you want to shit eggs then you're not a sane human.
either way it's a character with extra notability because of how difficult it is to find, the donator should have just took it and let it be
The funny thing about this whole moronic shitshow over Muffet is that the artist got in much bigger trouble with internet types the time she drew a 13 year old character from her webcomic naked
The funny thing is that both sides are defending Muffet, one just tries to do so by saying she's an adult, while the other side says she's not but there's nothing wrong with that because she's not real.
yeah yeah avas demon. who cares. we're talking about muffet and undertale and so sorry.
First off
>Kickstarter rewards
Second of all
Samael, the now confirmed pedo-zoophile enabler with that Floraverse bullshit coming out to the daylight, was attempted to be walked back and Toby tried to work out something when he found out he was literally just putting his kink character in there. The one with the same name that anyone googling it can find the art of butter dragon being eviscerated and so on.
And Samael refused.
So I 100% don't blame Toby for doing what he did. If anything this should be an object lesson in why you don't take money from guys who want a self insert, it WILL be abused. And I'm glad that he's making Deltarune under his own power so he never has to risk this again.
Wait a minute, you can play as boomerang OC in Shovel Knight DX. Doesn't that mean he can lose if the player is bad?
What an absolute power move.
the unlikable piece of shit should be glad hes in it at all. id have done the same. the character is fricking cringe and bad. this is what you get. like its so obvious that you shouldnt submit cringe fetish shit to him and he did it anyway. its selfish and autistic behavior. imagine FORCING someone to draw your fetish in this way. disgusting.
>the unlikable piece of shit should be glad hes in it at all. id have done the same. the character is fricking cringe and bad. this is what you get. like its so obvious that you shouldnt submit cringe fetish shit to him and he did it anyway. its selfish and autistic behavior. imagine FORCING someone to draw your fetish in this way. disgusting.
It just looks like a male Alphys. If Toby's going to hide one fatass Lizard out of shame, then why did he put his own into the main storyline?
As much as you can hate alphys, at least he wasn't originally an inflation guro fetish OC
Wait why are you fighting over if Muffet is a e-girl or not? Does it really matter?
it's one troll
it's a there are four lights scenario
>Does it really matter?
>unethical
Nah Toby was completely in the right.
Not reading the thread so it's probably posted already but
>Dude pays for Toby to have his fat fetish OC in the game
>Halfway through development Toby gets uncomfortable with it and tries offering a full refund
>Dude rejects it and demands his OC be added
>Toby continues offering the refund and keeps getting rejected all the way until near the end of development
>Decides to shuttle this fetish OC into some corner of the map with a time restriction as a result
>Dude acts like he was shafted despite Toby continuously offering a full refund while stating he felt uncomfortable with the OC
Meanwhile
>Muffet was in the same tier
>Ava's Demon creator
>Instead of just making an OC and forcing Toby, she works together with Toby to make Muffet match the universe
>Only subtle changes are made because Muffet was already really compatible with the story Toby was writing
>He ends up making Muffet become a significant part of the story because she fit the universe perfectly making him like the character immensely
The other OC characters are also kinda hidden away but that's supposed to be the norm for them. So Sorry and Muffet are both exceptions.
I would be fine with rich autistic furries if they weren't so obsessed with their fat fetishes. More furry twinks and kemoshotas please.
I wish I had beaten him to the punch, but my paycheck came late when the kickstarter happened.
There's an alternate universe out there where So Sorry is instead my OC, a scrappy dwarvish dragon lady who loves fighting. Woulda ended with her going down in the same pose as Asgore, praising your strength before passing out in the snow and giving you a special item.
If I made an OC. I would want them to fit in universe. I would want their outfit and looks to match the universe. Kinda like how Sora looks different depending on what works he's in
Don't care. Post more Muffet.
keep crying master chief.
>n-no guys it's because it was a fetish character so it was OK
no? the character's right there in the OP, you can look at it and look up the character's appearance in the game. not even a whiff of fetish shit
>b-but the artist has fat fetish art of that character!
so? what does that matter if, in this specific context, the character has no fat fetish content?
Imagine having some weird fricking fetish like furry, guro, weight gain, or any of this shit weird homosexuals who make "OC" like this are into
The only people worthy of respect are just into e-girl.
literally every fetish outside of the normiest of normie shit is some weird bullshit. you're just biased towards your own fetish due to the power of your dick while biased against other fetishes due to the social taboos they represent (ignoring that your own fetish has those same taboos), giving your tribal monkey brain an easy way to say someone is part of "the other" without needing to think about it or feel bad about it.
Not that anon, but fetishes like bdsm have been really normalized throughout the years
Its simple. e-girlchads are patrician. Everyone else is a weirdo.
You killed ape escape you useless Black person
No, Sony killed Ape Escape. The Japanese didn't stop making a game with stuff that appeals to the Japanese in it, the series died way before twitter freaks started crying about it.
I'll never understand you people who always blame the guy at the bottom. It never makes any sense.
>company makes moronic decision for monetary reasons only but tells the public its actually because of some inane shit
>you decide to blame customers
How do/did you get there?
Because literally every time anyone talks about ape escape you morons are there, underperforming wasn't the factor that killed it.
Sony getting brought to California and de-prioritizing developing Japanese games did it, moron. Or do you think the ICO team got fricked over for being e-girlcons?
>unironically trying to put ico and ape escape at the same level of popularity
See this is the kind of moronic shit you say when you want to frick kids
>Deflecting
Okay anon, I sure do believe you're arguing in good faith and not a seething moron now.
>e-girlcon pretending like they weren't hyper ventilating about underaged girls underwear
>calling anyone else dishonest
>Changing the subject yet again
Not him, but if the entire thing about ape escape dying after 3 is true, he's really not changing the subject, if anything you are.
Hell I'm more likely to believe him since hopping on to a web search to check the sales of it one of the first things to come up was the japanese name for the girl character.
>Not him but I totally believe the Japanese company cancelled the series because of porn because it'd trigger twitter years before it even existed
Yeah sure anon.
I mean the series basically died on Ape Escape 3, and only had a bunch of spinoffs with ONLY the monkeys after that.
It checks out to me.
It checks out to you because you are biased and stupid, and think a Japanese dev is going to think like a fat American woman who uses twitter in 2024.
Don't really think it's biased and stupid when I don't really care about the series.
Or even knew that it was all spinoffs after 3 until I just looked it up.
I think that's a you issue man.
Plus I'm pretty sure an American "Woman" on twitter in 2024 would have 0 issue with little girls in games.
>I don't care about the series
Saying stupid shit about things you know nothing about is very Ganker core.
>"woman"
Anon, they hate 2d e-girls, they only go after real kids. They're always whining about the former, then get found out doing bad shit with the later.
>Saying stupid shit about things you know nothing about is very Ganker core.
You were whining that I was biased. I wasn't.
Nah, sony killed ape escape, you worthless autist.
Fat cats.
The fact that just about no one even knows Muffet is an kickstarter character unless you tell them shows how well she fits.
Muffet is pure soul and if you told me she was a fan made boss, I would not believe you. So-sorry is disgusting and I could tell at first glance that it doesn’t belong in the game. I’m glad So-sorry is so hard to encounter otherwise it would be impossible to do a pacifist run
That's what happens when your character ends up being actually good, they go so far as to foreshadow it in the first area of the game
I'd frick both of them
No one tells him about Glyde.
>Backer NPCs being the worst part of the game
Happens more often than you think
bug fables had pretty good backer npcs, you wouldn't be able to tell they were backers without looking up
I guess the setting being bugs helps cull a lot of potential ocs from just sliding in
Seeing a whole lot of bullshit but not a lot of spiders
Sex
Also where does she get her custom clothes made
Monsters have a lot of nice things we don't really see the source of.
I wish girls here in the states wore this kind of stuff. Would look cute (if they aren't hamgalaxies)
Bless Haaru. His Undyne pics are hot.
Haaru is a godsend. I like his spiders and his fish.
>Backer character is the single best thing you can find in the game
I'm thinking based.
I love him
Do you love him for who he is or do you just love his nice meaty legs that require worshipping
Both.
Post more THICK asriel THIGHS
and ass
Too many artpieces cut off at the butt with very little if any visible thigh
he's perfect
MOAR
For me it's when he is testing is heterosexuality by fricking a bunch of men without cumming (almost)
God I want to frick Catty so bad.
Fat hoe
God I want to frick Bratty so bad.
holy based
>sadly
His stuff is good though
moar
I wonder what toby's thoughts on how frickable this creation is. He knows what did.
I love that view
Ganker is probably full of people who think that thing is hot now.
But I always thought Muffet was hot
>now
Toby is a furry grifter.
I know this probably isn't the right place or time but imagine, just imagine, cumming inside Undyne
With loving intent
For the sole purpose of procreation
Even if it's not a dude she deserves better than the fat neet dino
Technically speaking, Alphys isn't a NEET, but I agree with the sentiment
the kid looks adorable here.
whats the name of the other hidden boss that looks like a fish? is it a donation character too?
Glyde?
Yeah he was a donation character, he asked Toby to give him a really really weird hard to activate boss fight because it was funny.
This trash is old, and for underages, frick off.
>Old
>For Underages
If it's old and they were underage at the time they're now old enough to be here.
moron.
Glyde and Muffet:
>$500 backer tiers for your own custom monster getting into the game.
>Toby happened to like Muffet more that he managed to make her the mini-boss fought right at the end of Hotland.
>Glyde is a bit more obscure, but only boils down to a waiting game once you know how to fight him.
>Genuinely haven't heard much from either OC's owners following UT.
So Sorry:
>Was bought in for the $1,000 tier.
>Reminder that this tier was clearly a joke tier due to its high price and it being to make someone's Homestuck "fantroll" OC canon to Undertale, however the hell that would even work.
>Was still bought anyway, but by a furry, Samael, who didn't have a fantroll; instead, he wanted to have his fursona added to the game.
>Said fursona (species: "butter dragon") is heavily associated with fat-fetish "art" on Furaffinity, and would be wildly out of place in the game.
>Toby tried refunding him the $1,000 tier, but the fat blob (not uncharacteristically) didn't budge.
>Ultimately, Toby "negotiated" by hiding him in a literal out-of-bounds area more hidden than fricking Mystery Man, only allowing him to be fought on one day of the year at two specific hours, and changing his name to "So Sorry" (whether he's apologizing to Samael for hiding him or to the player for including him, you be the judge).
>Samael, naturally, goes on several rants about this, lacking the self-awareness that maybe including a self-insert associated with what gives him an erection is a bit distasteful.
>Gets shat on when people find out about So Sorry's original inspiration.
>Ultimately turns out to be an admin for a pedophile cult's discord server.
This guy is a case study to, if you create a media with a target audience like Undertale's, minimilize (if not outright avoid) contact with your fanbase.
Honestly, all Toby needed to do was include a caveat of the 'We reserve the right to refund payment to anyone who we cannot come to an agreement with over their character design'
aka: If you're a moronic baboon frickhead who won't take a hint over your fetish-shit not going in my game then I'm going to give you your money back to get you to frick off, c**t.
I didn't even realize Muffet was a guest character back when I played Undertale in 2016. I think the spider cookies being introduced in the beginning were the main reason why. Well, that and her design being good and meshing well. Not to mention she has the best song in the game.