>Pays fortune to resurrect Shepard
>Even more to replicate and upgrade the Normandy
>Doesn't install a control chip into Shepard and allows him to recruit personnel who may not be loyal to the Cerberus cause because he cares more about results and humanity
>Acts when the Alliance and the Council discuss and deny
>Can't be held accountable for his ME3 actions because of diminished responsibility from indoctrination, even Cerberus combat troops were huskified
>Players forget all this and consider it too much to even hand over the Collector base
What a bunch of ungrateful shits people are. But what an excellent social study Mass Effect is. I imagine real world social and political deductions can be made from these findings.
Really a shame how much 3 wasted all the build up of the first two. They never should have bothered with a trilogy.
>build up of the first two
Ah, yes. The "Reapers" that were ignored in the second one to introduce new party members (that most folks didn't give a damn about) and a suicide mission and killing Shepard off.
Only to bring THEM BACK with the DLC for 2. Truly riveting writing.
>ignored in the second one
did you even play the game? you finally find out all the important info about the reapers in 2
>most folks don't give a damn about party members in 2
lol
lmao, perchance.
>The "Reapers" that were ignored in the second one
You visit a derelict reaper and Harbinger is literally taunting Shepard for the entire fricking game.
>I'M GONNA GIT YOU SHEPARD
>MY homie REAPERS ARE GON' GIT YOU
>FRICK YOU UP BOI
>AND YOUR ENTIRE RACE
>YOU SCARED LITTLE homie
>DON'T YOU DARE FRICK UP MUH COLLECTOR BROS
>GON' FRICK U UP NIGGUH
You idiots really need to stop discussing that you have never played.
While that anon used poor wording, I do believe he has at least half a point. The Reaper threat is coming but instead we fricked around with their henchmen instead. Stuff like bringing the galaxy together and solving troubles between races should’ve happened before the war in ME2. Not right in the middle of it in ME3.
>ME1: We Reapers must indoctrinate Sarevok, who will open the mass effect gate in the Citadel, otherwise it will take us thousands, maybe tens of thousands of years to return to the galaxy from deep space.
>ME2: Oh no, our plans were foiled by Shepard and his pals! Let us have our Collector frens create a new Reaper and then we indoctrinate another pawn.
>ME3: Oh no, our plans were foiled by Shepard and his pals once again! BUT WHO CARES TROLLOLOLOLOLO WE JUST FLEW BACK TO THE GALAXY WITHIN A YEAR TROLLOLOLOLOL AREN'T YOU SURPRISED TROLLOLOLOL HERE MEET THE STAR CHILD AI TROLLOLOLOLLOLOLOL LOOK AT THE ILLUSIVE MAN PISS HIMSELF TROLLOLOLL OH AND WHILE WE'RE AT EVERY SINGLE PLOT DEVICE AND STORY ARC HAS BEEN DESTROYED AREN'T YOU HAPPY TROLLOLOLLLOLLOLO
The only game that was pointless and moronic is ME3. Imagine making two entire games about drastically delaying the reapers, only to throw that plot point straight out the window in ME3.
>WE JUST FLEW BACK TO THE GALAXY WITHIN A YEAR
That was established in Arrival
Reminder that Karpyshin was a writer only in ME 1-2. And that other homosexual had managed not only to shit in ME2, but to shit out entire ME3, effectively ruining everything but plotlines and plot facts he, that new homosexual, had forgotten about entirely.
After what he did to Revan in SWTOR I'm inclined to believe Mass Effect was a fluke
IMHO most writers aren't got if there's nobody to stop them. The reason Drew was good is because he knows how to tell A STORY and outline it. The bad thing is that he is literally whoring for anything to make a story out of and he writes for money, so unless you have someone to filter what he's trying to write next, he ends up picking things like Revan again and mucks it up because he's trying to grind blood from a stone with it, and bends it to the needs of a new story idea he has.
>that other homosexual
You rang?
I wrote the script for ME3. I directed Andromeda. I was the project director for the Legendary Edition. I deserve only praise for shitting out so much trash.
And then Karpyshin shat on KOTOR.
It's like pottery it rhymes
>he has at least half a point
No he doesn't, and neither do you.
The Reapers should never have come to the Milky Way, the war should never have happened in the timeline of the trilogy.
Even with Arrival, the Reapers could be a hundred years away.
The Reapers should, at all events, make a beeline for the Citadel, commandeer it, hijack the Relay network, and give you a big fricking game over.
There is no feasible way that any force would anticipate the combined force of hundred of thousands of Reapers, pouring in through the Serpent Nebula Relay, no matter what any game did, before that. ME3 fricked up. And because it fricked up, it had the Reapers intentionally fricking around the Milky Way for no goddamn reason, while you fought Cerberus, because no matter what any other game does, you can't fight hundreds of thousands of several kilometer long invulnerable space death squids, when you're one guy with a shotgun. And the one time you do fight one, it's the worst fight in the franchise. God, you fricking idiots just love sucking your own dicks, and think you have a point.
>you can't fight hundreds of thousands of several kilometer long invulnerable space death squids, when you're one guy with a shotgun
Say that to the Doomguy.
Doomguy may kill swaths of enemies, that are larger than him, but none of them are invulnerable, or the size of a city, and he doesn't have to do it, several hundred thousand times, you stupid sonnuvabitch!
it's his own fault he became i doctrinated to begin with
he knew the risks but still played it fast and loose with reaper artifacts anyway
It's really dumb that someone who is supposed to be a super cautious puppetmaster would go anywhere near a reaper husk in person.
He was exposed to a Reaper artifact the Turians were trying to steal on Shanxi during the First Contact War
Pretty based of him to cop a feel of some dying broad.
you can just ask new questions or pose new thoughts in your other ME threads, you don't have to keep making new ones lel.
but anyways, being indoctrinated like TIM was doesn't mean you're just a mindless husk. he still had free will over most things in his life, he just literally couldn't do something that would sabotage the reapers directly, as shown in the 2nd to last cutscene in 3. he's still fully responsible for massacring civilians and doing japan-tier warcrimes to them lel.
good character, using renegade dialogue options in final cutscene feels really fulfilling after all this time. a lot of what he said made sense, but in the end he couldn't do anything about it to bring it to life.
5 fricking Mass Effect threads. What’s going on?
But to address the actual topic, Cerberus being reduced to a 1 note bad guy organisation really sucks when they’re just morally grey at worst. I was also really confused why saving the Collector base was somehow the renegade choice and not the paragon one but I guess the writers were already starting to pivot away from Cerberus being an interesting faction by the end of ME2
>morally grey
since the very first game, they have been nothing short of chaotic evil/neutral evil. they have done extremely fricked up things to put humans first, and as 2 progress do even more fricked up things to try and "save humanity." i'm glad you get to call TIM out on this bullshit to his face at the end. only even more amusing when shep laughs at him that he's literally unable to press a button to control the reapers, so all he did in the end was frick everything up.
>Players forget all this and consider it too much to even hand over the Collector base
You do know it's an RPG and you can choose different things in your various playthroughs, right?
I picked "hand over collector base" this time, because last time I played a character that didn't. If you roleplay in any other way than this you don't have imagination, which means you don't have empathy, and no one should listen to you about anything anyway.
>muh findings
Fricking get over yourself.
Having the IM be indoctrinated felt like a really cheap cop-out, honestly. Cerebus as an extremist 'humanity first' org were interesting, and I felt like our chats with the IM in 2 - particularly in how he can go from being cool with Shep to legitimately respecting him - really should have been a fulcrum for whether he goes all-in on trying to use the Collectors/Reaper teach (not trusting humanity) or whether he believes we're on the right track and need support, not control. The choice between guidance and control would have been a great split for the IM.
And, of course, you can still have bits of Cerebus become indoctrinated or go rogue in ME3 if need be, with the more extremist elements slipping the leash. Having the IM as a strategist/ally would have generated a ton of fascinating conflict for potential allies, and for the man himself, challenging his supremacist outlook or at least channeling it into more of a 'galactic community and competition brings out the best in humanity' kind of deal.
Either way, I thought he was a really solid character and I'm glad the 'human supremacist' angle wasn't played in an explicitly hateful way.
Same problem with "my people first" antagonists in modern writing. They make actual sense, so the story has to contrive a reason to make them the "bad" guys.
problem is just what prevents all the other races from doing the same thing as the illusive man is doing? realistically, they would all most likely be doing the same thing.
Mentality. Of all turians only Garrus could be a potential candidate, elephants are too slow, israelites are too egoistic, salarians already run it on goverment level, asari are a mix of salarians and israelites, slavers were turians, but with slaves, krogans are too warlike not to fight each other with only Wrex pulling something more or less, rachni is a hive.
lol if you are smart enough to figure out how to become a space-faring civ, you are smart enough to be a backstabby egoistical c**t. humans don't have a monopoly on the illusive man/smoking man. that shit's just bad writing.
You don't get it. Those, who are smart, are either too egoistic to run a nationalist operation, or run it on official goverment level. All races except humans are either too individualistic, or are already too "nazi". It only humans, who try to pull "we love everyone" officially and still being nazi in secret. Others either are not or are honest about it.
nah i don't buy it
Then you are a fool. And you will die.
god i would love a movie solely about the first contact war + humans finding mass relays, etc.
the monkey paw says hi. remember amazon's lotr? paramount's halo? a israelite can only ever destroy. never create.
if it's bad then who cares, it isn't my money and i can just act like it doesn't exist.
you don't sound well. perchance some meds?
already taking em they don't do anything
the state of cerberus was the most moronic shit about 2.
I hand over the collector base and choose the Control Ending. Illusive Man was right but he was too far gone.
in the end he won
Or lost, depending on the color you pick
his goal was to control reapers to save humanity. he half won i suppose, although he could have "won" infinitely times more if he just aided us from the start.
will always go with perfect destroy, makes the most sense and eliminates the most variables. sorry geth you gotta go but considering what happens in Arrival, I'm not worried about that morality and if you're roleplaying neither should you.
>game shows time and time again that ANY prolonged exposure with reaper tech will lead too indoctrination
>morons still think it's a good to not destroy the base that is probably crawling with tech that causes indoctrination
his own stupid actions are what led to him becoming indoctrinated. He knew what effects reaper tech could have, yet he tried to harness it regardless and got fricked over
Either consider this
or understand, that new writer is a talentless homosexual.
>Even more to replicate and upgrade the Normandy
You have to buy upgrades for the new Normandy because it's cheap bootleg chink shit that gets half the crew killed in the suicide mission
Original one had been sliced in two in one go.
all the upgrades are cutting edge stuff tho
like "the gun sovereign used"
I never gave him the base because I'm a good girl who hates Cerberus.
Shepard, the Reapers are coming to wipe us all out. I really can't allow that to happen. On Trans Visibility day.