This might surprise but gay people have existed through history.
>This might surprise but gay people have existed through history.
so does telling them to piss off, making their 'lifestyle' a criminal offense and making them stay away from kids
>Are the gay monks optional?
Stupid question. It's very much presented in the historical context of the era. They're secret lovers.
You can literally blackmail them if you want. They obviously won't like you very much if you do.
if they had advertised with the gay monks then I woundlt have played it
most other people wouldn't have played it either
3 months ago
Anonymous
>most other people wouldn't have played it either
For your own mental health understand that this shithole is not representative of most people.
Not saying it would have helped with sales, but anon ffs get outside your bubble for a while.
Most people are normies who don't have identity politics rent free in their head all the time, I don't care which side, both are pathetic.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Take your own advice, your discord server does not count as "outside your bubble"
3 months ago
Anonymous
You can't even contemplate the idea that someone really doens't care is not on your side or agaisnt you, I rest my case.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I find maggots less disgusting
3 months ago
Anonymous
>For your own mental health understand that this shithole is not representative of most people.
I know that moron. Ganker is actually more tolerant of gays than the average person
if gays were so popular than the game wouldn't have hidden the fact that it has gays in it
3 months ago
Anonymous
>the game wouldn't have hidden the fact that it has gays in it
But it didn't. It's an optional encounter that some players might miss completely. Should they spoiler the game to avoid enraging chuds?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>game tells you to poke around town to find evidence of the real killer >find gay monks >IT WAS OPTIONAL CHUD, YOU CHOOSE TO SEE GAY SEX!!!!!
3 months ago
Anonymous
It is optional, yes. Gonna argue otherwise and claim it's a mandatory scene for every playthrough?
>like the one who can't talk about anything else but politcs is you
[...] >chuds
Next level moron
Hit a nerve?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Hit a nerve?
More like you outed yourself and didn't even understand that you did.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Literally the opposite, which is is what why it was clever. One random word and you go feral, which is exactly the point about you being obsessed with politics.
Get a fricking life.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>which is is what why it was clever.
It really does take a genuine moron to think he's being clever when he's just certifying that he is a raging leftard upset about people disliking his ahistorical propaganda.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>leftard
And again.
Thanks for playing anon, it's too fricking easy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>i-i was only pretending to be moronic >that's why I care so deeply about ahistorical homosexuality and whine about chuds
Sure anon. Sure.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>that's why I care so deeply about ahistorical homosexuality
You are the only one bringing that up. Got something to tell us, anon?
Any repressed stuff you want to share with the group?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You are the only one bringing that up.
no, we all are. you're the only one defending it like it's your religion
3 months ago
Anonymous
Are those "we" in the room with us right now?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>You are the only one bringing that up.
You've been whining about that this entire thread.
You're fooling nobody.
3 months ago
Anonymous
optional or mandatory gay sex, makes no difference
we should ban gay sex like in the old days
3 months ago
Anonymous
I'm sure you are going to accomplish a lot on your computer anon.
3 months ago
Anonymous
you a girl?
your talking like a gay and missing the point, so you must be a girl
3 months ago
Anonymous
you a kid?
your talking like a kid and missing the point, so you must be a kid
3 months ago
Anonymous
older than you son
3 months ago
Anonymous
And you haven't learned to use caps yet?
School tomorrow?
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 months ago
Anonymous
3 months ago
Anonymous
I hope is a cute biological one
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I don't care which side, both are pathetic.
t. goes into a thread to shill his side and get angry about people calling out his lies
3 months ago
Anonymous
>t. goes into a thread to shill his side
I came to a thread to talk about a videogame, seems like the one who can't talk about anything else but politcs is you, buddy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I came to a thread to talk about a videogame
And you did this by seething about people calling it non-accurate to history and claiming a bunch of lies about how historically monks were actually homos.
Despite that being completely untrue.
So now you're suddenly pretending to be an apolitical and that people shouldn't really care about historicity because only political dweebs do and you're totally not one despite seething about homosex inclusion earlier.
You're "not caring" only started after you lost the argument and that's why you're transparently disingenuine as all hell.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>And you did this by seething about people calling it non-accurate to history and claiming a bunch of lies about how historically monks were actually homos.
This might surprise you but you haven't been talking to a single person.
I'm not the one of those posts you are talking about, neither I care.
Can you understand that? In a thread about a videogame there aree people who ar enot obessed about they gayness of fictional random backgroud characters.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>This might surprise you but you haven't been talking to a single person.
lmao yeah sure.
That's why you format every single posts of yours like a raging moron like this.
It's totally not very obvious at all that it's you even disregarding the exact 1 minute timer between posts. Nevermind that you literally haven't put forth a single argument and still keep pretending monks were homos even after being called out on it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
And those posts are from like 15 minutes ago and not formatted like this, so I dunno what you are going about, you are answering yourself.
3 months ago
Anonymous
It is impossible to "not care" about something.
There is no such thing as "not" or "nothingness". If you can think about it, it exists. Your opinion on this subject exists, and you are here in this thread discussing it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Politics and social media have rotten your brain if you really think like that.
There's so much stuff in the world happening right now I really don't care about.
Learn to relax and not share an opinion about every irrelevant stuff.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>like the one who can't talk about anything else but politcs is you
>the game wouldn't have hidden the fact that it has gays in it
But it didn't. It's an optional encounter that some players might miss completely. Should they spoiler the game to avoid enraging chuds?
If you never decide to sneak into the place where they're secretly meeting, I guess so, yeah. But you'll never know where that is so I guess you'll have to make do with blackmailing them.
>in the historical context
No. It's a ripoff of Eco and that was an italian marxist making jabs at his academic and political adversaries more than anything else.
There's no historical context for gay monks because there are no known cases of historical monks being caught out as gay (in fact they were some of the most scathing critics of diocesan/secular priests because of known cases of sodomy), in no small part due to monastery life with it's hourly prayers and strict monastic rules didn't allow for that kind of secrecy to begin with.
Yeah. It's a similar think with the Knights Templar. There were almost certainly some who were gay or has secret wives, but their life was so strictly regimented that it was honestly pretty tricky to pull off.
>there's more historical relevance to them killing israelites for being evil. is there a lot of that in the game?
no, they introduced a israeli family in part 2 and they are flawless perfect people of course
it's a detective game and you are actively trying to get as many clues as possible, and you have to get through the gay monks to get like 3 <important clues> in <protected place that invites to exploration>
Now the diverse Ethiopian monk who just arrived (thank you sweet baby) you can ignore if you want, he's not important.
>Does the rest of the game at least hold up though?
No, it's one of those modern Telltale-likes without actual point & click puzzles and if you actually know anything about history it constantly takes you out of it.
The only thing I can really say about it is that the art-style is alright.
That's ripped straight from Umberto Eco's novel like most of the plot of this game. Apparently every piece of media taking place in a monastery has to rip him off nowadays
>I feel like you can play this game way more degenerate than I did.
I just followed a guide to get all the achievements. theres an achievement for fricking the nun
yeah, i played it
it was solid. the mystery was meh but it obviously exists only as an excuse for the author to talk about the historic setting. or rather, his interpretation of it
it checks off a few "modern" checkboxes but for the most part, it was fine
Time passing ruthlessly whenever you did something which ment I had to skip a lot of quests and events I was interested in filtered me, I felt like I never got to complete any sequence of events I wanted to.
That was mostly a me problem though, the game seemed cool.
>whenever you did something which ment I had to skip a lot of quests and events I was interested in
That's the fricking point.
Did you miss the whole game being framed by the passing of time?
Only act 1 was limited though. In acts 2 and 3 you had less options but the same amount of time.
I quit and refunded after like the third american pop-history moment in the first hour. >feminist nuns several hundred years before they became a thing >gay monks in the most tightly controlled anti-gay life possible >gypsies who look like bollywood indians and have american hipster gnostic views instead of their actual religious ones >ethiopian monk somehow trudged over from the sole non-ethiopian mission in Rome across the fricking alps and into medieval bavaria
I could go on but I had enough.
That Sawyer showed himself to be a low-IQ moron with his justifications on twitter ("hurr just look at this one french peasant scandal that was so shocking it made news in all of Europe back in the 16th century and kept being dramatized for hundreds of years afterwards this just proves that actually Europeans were totally fine with adultery and identity theft and that this totally wasn't out of the norm") just made me more certain there's nothing of value in there if the lead narrative guy is that big of a moron.
And how do you think gypsies look like you mongoloid?
I quit and refunded after like the third american pop-history moment in the first hour. >feminist nuns several hundred years before they became a thing >gay monks in the most tightly controlled anti-gay life possible >gypsies who look like bollywood indians and have american hipster gnostic views instead of their actual religious ones >ethiopian monk somehow trudged over from the sole non-ethiopian mission in Rome across the fricking alps and into medieval bavaria
I could go on but I had enough.
That Sawyer showed himself to be a low-IQ moron with his justifications on twitter ("hurr just look at this one french peasant scandal that was so shocking it made news in all of Europe back in the 16th century and kept being dramatized for hundreds of years afterwards this just proves that actually Europeans were totally fine with adultery and identity theft and that this totally wasn't out of the norm") just made me more certain there's nothing of value in there if the lead narrative guy is that big of a moron.
>feminist nuns several hundred years before they became a thing
She's not even feminist, she's resigned to the fact that her intelligence and knowledge will never be appreciated. She doesn't even consider fighting back against it. She just accepts it.
>gay monks in the most tightly controlled anti-gay life possible
More like gay monks in the most historically closet gay enviroment in history and they're still doing it secretly
>gypsies who look like bollywood indians and have american hipster gnostic views instead of their actual religious ones
Just one, gypsy, but fair. Also if you indulge his musings he literally gets burned at the stake
>ethiopian monk somehow trudged over from the sole non-ethiopian mission in Rome across the fricking alps and into medieval bavaria
They are the best long distance runners on earth, after all.
>most historically closet gay enviroment in history
Modern academics will read letters between bros and call them gay because we live in a backwards sex-crazed society.
>She's not even feminist
She literally laments gender warrior bullshit about men getting everything and voices views no woman in that environment did until south american non-nobles were allowed to become nuns.
Noble nuns in Bavaria weren't even restricted in the way Sawyer thinks they were. >More like gay monks in the most historically closet gay enviroment
Monasteries were not even remotely tolerable of homos any more than they were tolerating murderers.
Although in the past there were people who sent their homosexual sons to become priests, that does not mean that the norm is for them to be homosexuals who openly practice their deviations indoors.
It's like I made a video game about a school and had teachers being pedophiles, that sure happens sometimes but representing that in such a casual way would not be faithful to reality.
>But the game doesn't show it as the norm
It actually does compared to the reality that it didn't occur as there are no known historical cases of monks engaging in illicit relations.
Not that it's even remotely a historical game.
Within this one village in Bavaria you have black ethiopian priests lecturing the locals about black christianity, gay monks engaging in illicit relations within the confines of the monastery, feminist nuns going at length rants about how unfair women have it and they all speak like modern day californians. Not going into the later woman protag's painting.
The main character also asks israelites for forgiveness for saying grace at dinner despite this contradicting both the christian view but also the fact that BOTH RELIGIONS SAY GRACE ACCORDING TO OLD TESTAMENT LAW the only difference being before or after the meal.
It's a fricking moronic game from a current view much less a historical one.
>It actually does compared to the reality that it didn't occur as there are no known historical cases of monks engaging in illicit relations.
What a dumb moronic logic. The kind of nonsense people who think themselves smarter than they are. Peak midwit.
And I'm being honest anon, your arguments are "in my head it's happening like this, hence that's the objetive way it's presented".
As you can see many anons are disagreeing with you, so no, not objective at all.
And don't move the goalpost, the game shows it a a secret activity, not the norm like you literally claimed, argue out of that if you can.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>What a dumb moronic logic. The kind of nonsense people who think themselves smarter than they are. Peak midwit.
This coming from someone pushing his fetish over historical reality.
Fact is there are no known cases of monks being caught out in illicit relations in medieval times because it's a very strict regimented way of life. (incidentally another thing Pentiment gets wrong, but that's presumably because Eco glosses over it except during morning Vespers and they didn't do much more research than ripping him off) >As you can see many anons are disagreeing with you
Can't say I see much of that. You're seething about it but you're also not offering a historical perspective whatsoever.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>This coming from someone pushing his fetish over historical reality.
What the frick are you on, schizo?
Talk about helping your arguments, now you look completely moronic, good work.
I don't need to argue with posts like this, thanks dude.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>buttmad discord homosexual loses ANOTHER argument on V
god i love to see it.
So they go to such extremes to hide it, and yet a homosexual californian 500 years in the future knows all about it from his totally unbiased sources and presents it as historically accurate.
>who openly practice their deviations
They dont practice it openly, they hide at night and you can blackmail them about it.
It's really no different in how KCD does it.
Pop cult american fake ""history"" and the main mystery is one of those fake detective stories like Disco where the culprit is only introduced at the last second.
You know full well what I mean.
It's only possible to connect the dots near the end and the game literally doesn't give a shit if you get things right or not. Like Disco it doesn't care about the detective story itself.
Yes you do. You just don't know it. Almost none of your vidya, let alone any other culture you consume, was made by rightoids because they are, by definition, at odds with the very concepts of civilization, culture and abstract thought.
sadly I played this garbage
it has gay monks fricking inside a church, do not play
This. They should be funding games like Stellar Blade, but since they're against female beauty it will never happen. You will get games like Fable with an uggo female lead that people will refuse to play let alone buy.
Yes, I did play it and loved it. Though I will never replay it again because I find it bullshit you are forced to pick two innocent (for the murder at least) each time.
It really is a game born out of someone's immense fascination on the subject and I can see Josh Sawyer cracking up his whole bookshelf on life and religion in middle ages germany for this game. The characters were so and so, the world building fantastic and the twist was sad and believable.
Frick you homosexuals, it's one of the better games depicting a medieval/early modern setting. Or do you prefer the hollywood version of peseants dressed in brown eating mud after they've tended to their pig shit farms?
The "black" monk Sebhat is a reference to Saint Moses, and also in actuality an Egyptian Coptic who was an emissary of his autocephaly to Rome. It's a contrivance for him to show up at the monastery but it's not an ahistoricism -- the only people who likely would even be able to give it this kind of background would have comprehensively studied classical Roman and early to medieval Christian history. The gay monks are a reference/rip-off of Eco's Name of the Rose; these relations are known to have happened in real monasteries of the period, but typically they would be homoplatonic without sexual contact. The only aggravating "artistic liberty" is with the gypsy and his impossibly dark skin for the ethnic group. Don't b***h about something like history before you know whether you're actually knowledgeable about it.
>it's not an ahistoricism
Yes it is.
Only a single Ethiopian is even claimed to have travelled beyond Rome during Medieval times and that's assuming you take a non-peer reviewed american "luther studies" journal's citations at their word, with no other known mention of their primary sources yet demanding that we "Honor the Reformation's African roots" and claiming the Reformation came about because of Luther's personal love for Ethiopian Christianity.
They didn't even travel to Portugal despite that being the only nation they had actual relations with.
>but it's not an ahistoricism
It very much is. Anyone can tell you as much outside of california. >these relations are known to have happened in real monasteries of the period
This is a blatant lie. There are in fact not a single known case of this happening recorded anywhere. The monks were usually the ones raising internal complaints against diocesans within the catholic hierarchy over sodomy. >but typically they would be homoplatonic without sexual contact.
"Homoplatonic". You mean male friendship without a single ounce of homosexuality involved. >The only aggravating "artistic liberty"
All of it is nonsensical bullshit of the worst kind. >is with the gypsy and his impossibly dark skin for the ethnic group.
Wrong skin, hair, religious views and hipster american ones in their place. >Don't b***h about something like history before you know whether you're actually knowledgeable about it.
Fricking ironic.
>game
It's a point and click visual novel. I enjoyed the art direction and I did feel compelled to finish the game and see the story to completion. However there is very little branching choices and those don't even really effect the outcome.
>bro monks live totally free and without supervision particularly sinning new ones
Benedictine Monasteries have nearly a hundred rules they have to follow, including presence before others with strict punishments.
They have very strict rules for anyone spending their first 12 months there where they're treated as a guest and not a real monk.
And that's assuming it's one of the pre-1500 ones and not one of the reformed monasteries that took an even stricter view.
"Henry can confront Lucas about his 'proclivities', which the novice considers a test of his faith. He swears that he never committed the cardinal sin of laying with another man, simply confessed his desire when his father tried to arrange a marriage, resulting in him being sent to the Monastery to avoid a scandal. Lucas appears resigned to this arrangement, as being a homosexual in that era would have been an intolerable sin, and brought great shame and probably persecution on him and his family."
and the gay knows it's bad and want to repent to god and that's why he's in a fricking monastery because he couldn't bear to get in an arranged marriage by his dad
that's the only footnote that gay should get in history and the game treated it perfectly
More anachronistic nonsense. In medieval times you were simply a sodomist sinner who couldn't control his urges.
You weren't "a homosexual" in that era. That's a modern libertine invention of the 19-20th century britbongs misreading the greeks.
That's why you don't find any homosexual "male-only" writings from before modern times. Only greeks going on about their preference for pederastic relations with young boys.
Re "before modern times": just off the top of my head, you can 'woman-hater' accounts from Edo-period Japan in the Nanshoku Okagami. Regardless of how applying 'homosexuality' to pre-modern contexts is anachronistic, we know that pre-modern homophilic men still experienced this urge and that it would be considered a moral failing or hazard in medieval Europe.
>it's not an ahistoricism
Yes it is.
Only a single Ethiopian is even claimed to have travelled beyond Rome during Medieval times and that's assuming you take a non-peer reviewed american "luther studies" journal's citations at their word, with no other known mention of their primary sources yet demanding that we "Honor the Reformation's African roots" and claiming the Reformation came about because of Luther's personal love for Ethiopian Christianity.
They didn't even travel to Portugal despite that being the only nation they had actual relations with.
Again, he is not an actual Ethiopian. He is a Coptic Egyptian, likely from Upper Egypt, but called Ethiopian as an exonym in the context of medieval Europe. His skin colour and hair texture reflects this. Ironically the depiction of dark-skinned people comes only when the Bavarians are imagining the scenes he relates.
>but it's not an ahistoricism
It very much is. Anyone can tell you as much outside of california. >these relations are known to have happened in real monasteries of the period
This is a blatant lie. There are in fact not a single known case of this happening recorded anywhere. The monks were usually the ones raising internal complaints against diocesans within the catholic hierarchy over sodomy. >but typically they would be homoplatonic without sexual contact.
"Homoplatonic". You mean male friendship without a single ounce of homosexuality involved. >The only aggravating "artistic liberty"
All of it is nonsensical bullshit of the worst kind. >is with the gypsy and his impossibly dark skin for the ethnic group.
Wrong skin, hair, religious views and hipster american ones in their place. >Don't b***h about something like history before you know whether you're actually knowledgeable about it.
Fricking ironic.
I know by you saying "There are in fact not a single known case of this happening recorded anywhere" that you don't actually know anything on this topic. We have multiple documents dating from early to medieval Christianity concerning the problems and dangers of male cohabitation, complaints from abbots and monastic fathers on the peril of carnal relations in those environments. Go contact an actual historian at an institution of your choice who has studied original documents and archives and you'll know this.
Black person worship isn't history, it's Californian homosexualry
There are thousands of years of Christian history preceding you.
>Regardless of how applying 'homosexuality' to pre-modern contexts is anachronistic, we know that pre-modern homophilic men still experienced this urge
They experienced the urge to frick children you mean. Since that's usually what sodomy cases were about. >He is a Coptic Egyptian
He is explicitly from the Ethiopian Church in Rome and mentions Ethiopian foods and his art is based on Ethiopian manuscripts you massively dishonest homosexual. >I know by you saying "There are in fact not a single known case of this happening recorded anywhere" that you don't actually know anything on this topic.
In other words, you're preparing to lie but cannot actually cite anything.
Feel free to cite a single case of monastic monks in medieval times being caught engaging in sodomy. >concerning the problems and dangers of male cohabitation
Then cite them. Because we have no known cases of monastic monks being caught out in illicit relations due to how strict and regimented their lifestyles were while we have plenty on priests among the laity. >Go contact an actual historian
Feel free to do so and cite a single source for your claims or continue being labeled a piece of shit liar, even if that has already been made self-evident to anyone reading this like your portrayal of the Ethiopian in contrast with the actual game and the devs behind the game saying as much.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Because we have no known cases of monastic monks being caught out in illicit relations
Sure, but don't you think it's plausible that two gay monks banged inside a monastery sometime in the last thousand years?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Read up on monastic rules. Short answer no. That's why we don't have any examples of it.
>Again, he is not an actual Ethiopian. He is a Coptic Egyptian, likely from Upper Egypt, but called Ethiopian as an exonym in the context of medieval Europe.
He's explicitly Ethiopian (from the Horn of Africa) you mong. The game even renders him in solomonic dynasty art style.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>He is explicitly from the Ethiopian Church in Rome and mentions Ethiopian foods and his art is based on Ethiopian manuscripts you massively dishonest homosexual.
I am actually incorrect on this after double-checking his scenes and lines; the injera reference does cement it. My apology and thanks for the correction. With this being the case it still doesn't come across as inappropriate besides being a contrivance. The "Ethiopian Church in Rome" is referring to the Santo Stefano degli Abissini, which would be rededicated to Coptic Ethiopians the 15th and 16th centuries, when contact was established with Christian Amharas and other East African Christians through the Iberian navigations. >Then cite them. Because we have no known cases of monastic monks being caught out in illicit relations due to how strict and regimented their lifestyles were while we have plenty on priests among the laity.
Shenoute's Canons, Peter Damian's Liber Gomorrhianus as the most suitable come to mind. Concerned with the issues of carnality and sodomy in early Christian monasticism and medieval European society, respectively. "And for those among us, rather man or woman, who shall be caught being friends to their neighbour in physical desire, they will be cursed in all their deeds that they do. But if they are in ignorance, be them free from all the curses that are written down."
I told you to contact an actual historian because they have access to original documents on this in the Greek and Latin which for the most part aren't accessible outside of university libraries and intranets. And for it to be one of your choice because this would be corroborated regardless of which institution or expert you'd consider trustworthy.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>With this being the case it still doesn't come across as inappropriate besides being a contrivance.
lmao >Shenoute's Canons
Non-European and discussed male-female cohabitation not homosexuality. I can tell you picked this off from an /r/askhistorians post to boot along with the Hersiesios (not "ersiesios" as your filename suggests) quote being from the same post. >Peter Damian's Liber Gomorrhianus
Is a book BY a monk denouncing sodomy in the diocesan priesthood, not among other monks. More quoting something you haven't actually read. >I told you to contact an actual historian because
Because you clearly don't know frick all about the subject and just ripped out the first redditpost you could find when searching gay monastics, ignoring that it was a revisionist attempt by a plebbitor in the first case and not dealing with monasticism in the latter.
Why is it that not a single one of the "stop it with the politics guis" posters actually start out like that and it's just blatant bunkertroons who resort to it after they lost?
It’s been on my backlog for a while, I just haven’t gotten around to it. Too busy with schoolwork to justify sitting down and dedicating some real time to playing it.
Too american for me. They feel like modern liberals rather than real medieval people.
Even something as simple as having no more than two kids is a big tell that they don't really get it.
Removed from all the extremely coincidental progressive aspects localized entirely in some bumfrick nowhere village in the Alps where there is a *double monastery*, the game is extremely frontloaded. I was genuinely really invested with the story with Act I, especially with the artsy set pieces. But after that, Act II and III just shits itself with everything Act I built up while assassinating Andreas's character.
The WORST offense is the ending. It's extremely idiotic that the idea that a priest would be protecting people from the "truth" of a Roman statue becoming folklore because anyone with any passing knowledge of the history of the village - which many characters ACTIVELY SHOW - would be able to connect those dots. And its played up to be this huge thing that would somehow destroy the community. Absolute dogshit ending written by a midwit who thinks that all Christians are incapable of individual thought.
I did and it was garbage. not good as a point and click game, not good as a detective game, not good as a narrative game. It's a half assed interactive documentary with a shallow storyline shoved in. Oh, and 0 replayability
Nah he gets upset if you call him gay. Like real upset despite having publicly abused his employees for not adding in enough gays.
That said he's a genuine public porn-addicted onlyfans simp and has been hinting at trooning out recently.
I'm probably one of the 3 people on Ganker that enjoyed this game. It's very well made and the OST is a banger, I'd just chill around the village listening to it sometimes. Part 3 sucked though
Also I don't remember seeing gay monks, only the monk and nun couple that left the abbey to live together, but I know this game has a shitload of stuff I probably missed, so it definitely isn't something that's pushed in your face.
Nobody's paying your gay-ass sidescroller, Joshua ben Söyer.
How is it gay? I thought chuds wanted more historical games?
>literal gay shit in the game
>lgbbq propaganda at every turn
>how is it gay?
This might surprise but gay people have existed through history.
>implying
ain't now way blud can't get a stiffy without usopp...
propaganda at every turn
>>how is it gay?
this
>This might surprise but gay people have existed through history.
so does telling them to piss off, making their 'lifestyle' a criminal offense and making them stay away from kids
sadly I played this garbage
it has gay monks fricking inside a church, do not play
Can confirm, I'm one of the gay monks.
Does the rest of the game at least hold up though? Are the gay monks optional?
>Are the gay monks optional?
Wtf does htis mean? They are characters. What kind of zoomer rotbrain you got to say "optional"?
You know what I mean senile boomer. Do I NEED to jerk off to GAY MONK SEX, or can I progress the game without encountering it?
>Are the gay monks optional?
Stupid question. It's very much presented in the historical context of the era. They're secret lovers.
You can literally blackmail them if you want. They obviously won't like you very much if you do.
BUT are they OPTIONAL?
Just close your eyes and cover your ears during that scene.
So the scene is required to progress? That's all I want to know boomer-kun. I'll make sure I have my lotion and tissues ready
gay monks shouldn't be in my vidya to begin with
Seems like it's not your vidya then.
if they had advertised with the gay monks then I woundlt have played it
most other people wouldn't have played it either
>most other people wouldn't have played it either
For your own mental health understand that this shithole is not representative of most people.
Not saying it would have helped with sales, but anon ffs get outside your bubble for a while.
Most people are normies who don't have identity politics rent free in their head all the time, I don't care which side, both are pathetic.
Take your own advice, your discord server does not count as "outside your bubble"
You can't even contemplate the idea that someone really doens't care is not on your side or agaisnt you, I rest my case.
I find maggots less disgusting
>For your own mental health understand that this shithole is not representative of most people.
I know that moron. Ganker is actually more tolerant of gays than the average person
if gays were so popular than the game wouldn't have hidden the fact that it has gays in it
>the game wouldn't have hidden the fact that it has gays in it
But it didn't. It's an optional encounter that some players might miss completely. Should they spoiler the game to avoid enraging chuds?
>game tells you to poke around town to find evidence of the real killer
>find gay monks
>IT WAS OPTIONAL CHUD, YOU CHOOSE TO SEE GAY SEX!!!!!
It is optional, yes. Gonna argue otherwise and claim it's a mandatory scene for every playthrough?
Hit a nerve?
>Hit a nerve?
More like you outed yourself and didn't even understand that you did.
Literally the opposite, which is is what why it was clever. One random word and you go feral, which is exactly the point about you being obsessed with politics.
Get a fricking life.
>which is is what why it was clever.
It really does take a genuine moron to think he's being clever when he's just certifying that he is a raging leftard upset about people disliking his ahistorical propaganda.
>leftard
And again.
Thanks for playing anon, it's too fricking easy.
>i-i was only pretending to be moronic
>that's why I care so deeply about ahistorical homosexuality and whine about chuds
Sure anon. Sure.
>that's why I care so deeply about ahistorical homosexuality
You are the only one bringing that up. Got something to tell us, anon?
Any repressed stuff you want to share with the group?
>You are the only one bringing that up.
no, we all are. you're the only one defending it like it's your religion
Are those "we" in the room with us right now?
>You are the only one bringing that up.
You've been whining about that this entire thread.
You're fooling nobody.
optional or mandatory gay sex, makes no difference
we should ban gay sex like in the old days
I'm sure you are going to accomplish a lot on your computer anon.
you a girl?
your talking like a gay and missing the point, so you must be a girl
you a kid?
your talking like a kid and missing the point, so you must be a kid
older than you son
And you haven't learned to use caps yet?
School tomorrow?
I hope is a cute biological one
>I don't care which side, both are pathetic.
t. goes into a thread to shill his side and get angry about people calling out his lies
>t. goes into a thread to shill his side
I came to a thread to talk about a videogame, seems like the one who can't talk about anything else but politcs is you, buddy.
>I came to a thread to talk about a videogame
And you did this by seething about people calling it non-accurate to history and claiming a bunch of lies about how historically monks were actually homos.
Despite that being completely untrue.
So now you're suddenly pretending to be an apolitical and that people shouldn't really care about historicity because only political dweebs do and you're totally not one despite seething about homosex inclusion earlier.
You're "not caring" only started after you lost the argument and that's why you're transparently disingenuine as all hell.
>And you did this by seething about people calling it non-accurate to history and claiming a bunch of lies about how historically monks were actually homos.
This might surprise you but you haven't been talking to a single person.
I'm not the one of those posts you are talking about, neither I care.
Can you understand that? In a thread about a videogame there aree people who ar enot obessed about they gayness of fictional random backgroud characters.
>This might surprise you but you haven't been talking to a single person.
lmao yeah sure.
That's why you format every single posts of yours like a raging moron like this.
It's totally not very obvious at all that it's you even disregarding the exact 1 minute timer between posts. Nevermind that you literally haven't put forth a single argument and still keep pretending monks were homos even after being called out on it.
And those posts are from like 15 minutes ago and not formatted like this, so I dunno what you are going about, you are answering yourself.
It is impossible to "not care" about something.
There is no such thing as "not" or "nothingness". If you can think about it, it exists. Your opinion on this subject exists, and you are here in this thread discussing it.
Politics and social media have rotten your brain if you really think like that.
There's so much stuff in the world happening right now I really don't care about.
Learn to relax and not share an opinion about every irrelevant stuff.
>like the one who can't talk about anything else but politcs is you
>chuds
Next level moron
If you never decide to sneak into the place where they're secretly meeting, I guess so, yeah. But you'll never know where that is so I guess you'll have to make do with blackmailing them.
If you hide and don't mess with them fricking, you can frick one of the nuns.
>in the historical context
No. It's a ripoff of Eco and that was an italian marxist making jabs at his academic and political adversaries more than anything else.
There's no historical context for gay monks because there are no known cases of historical monks being caught out as gay (in fact they were some of the most scathing critics of diocesan/secular priests because of known cases of sodomy), in no small part due to monastery life with it's hourly prayers and strict monastic rules didn't allow for that kind of secrecy to begin with.
Yeah. It's a similar think with the Knights Templar. There were almost certainly some who were gay or has secret wives, but their life was so strictly regimented that it was honestly pretty tricky to pull off.
there's more historical relevance to them killing israelites for being evil. is there a lot of that in the game?
your dumb shit is cope. they put in gay shit everywhere because they want to normalize it, that's the only relevant context.
>there's more historical relevance to them killing israelites for being evil. is there a lot of that in the game?
no, they introduced a israeli family in part 2 and they are flawless perfect people of course
it's a detective game and you are actively trying to get as many clues as possible, and you have to get through the gay monks to get like 3 <important clues> in <protected place that invites to exploration>
Now the diverse Ethiopian monk who just arrived (thank you sweet baby) you can ignore if you want, he's not important.
>Does the rest of the game at least hold up though?
No, it's one of those modern Telltale-likes without actual point & click puzzles and if you actually know anything about history it constantly takes you out of it.
The only thing I can really say about it is that the art-style is alright.
part one is great, part two is meh, part 3 is so fricking boring
the mastermind was obvious from the start
That's ripped straight from Umberto Eco's novel like most of the plot of this game. Apparently every piece of media taking place in a monastery has to rip him off nowadays
Never happened in my playthrough, what dialogue options did you pick you fricking homosexual?
He asked the abbot where the town bathhouse was.
when you sneak into church library though the crypt. happens right after you frick the nun
>happens right after you frick the nun
Also didn't happen to me. I feel like you can play this game way more degenerate than I did.
>I feel like you can play this game way more degenerate than I did.
I just followed a guide to get all the achievements. theres an achievement for fricking the nun
then she tells you she had an abortion in part 2
>happens right after you frick the nun
You sin like that and then you act surprised more sin follows in it's wake?
yeah, i played it
it was solid. the mystery was meh but it obviously exists only as an excuse for the author to talk about the historic setting. or rather, his interpretation of it
it checks off a few "modern" checkboxes but for the most part, it was fine
Time passing ruthlessly whenever you did something which ment I had to skip a lot of quests and events I was interested in filtered me, I felt like I never got to complete any sequence of events I wanted to.
That was mostly a me problem though, the game seemed cool.
>whenever you did something which ment I had to skip a lot of quests and events I was interested in
That's the fricking point.
Did you miss the whole game being framed by the passing of time?
Only act 1 was limited though. In acts 2 and 3 you had less options but the same amount of time.
And how do you think gypsies look like you mongoloid?
>uhm acsthsually Hollywood tells me cziganys should look like they're straight out of a bollywood movie
>no i've never seen one why?
I quit and refunded after like the third american pop-history moment in the first hour.
>feminist nuns several hundred years before they became a thing
>gay monks in the most tightly controlled anti-gay life possible
>gypsies who look like bollywood indians and have american hipster gnostic views instead of their actual religious ones
>ethiopian monk somehow trudged over from the sole non-ethiopian mission in Rome across the fricking alps and into medieval bavaria
I could go on but I had enough.
That Sawyer showed himself to be a low-IQ moron with his justifications on twitter ("hurr just look at this one french peasant scandal that was so shocking it made news in all of Europe back in the 16th century and kept being dramatized for hundreds of years afterwards this just proves that actually Europeans were totally fine with adultery and identity theft and that this totally wasn't out of the norm") just made me more certain there's nothing of value in there if the lead narrative guy is that big of a moron.
>feminist nuns several hundred years before they became a thing
She's not even feminist, she's resigned to the fact that her intelligence and knowledge will never be appreciated. She doesn't even consider fighting back against it. She just accepts it.
>gay monks in the most tightly controlled anti-gay life possible
More like gay monks in the most historically closet gay enviroment in history and they're still doing it secretly
>gypsies who look like bollywood indians and have american hipster gnostic views instead of their actual religious ones
Just one, gypsy, but fair. Also if you indulge his musings he literally gets burned at the stake
>ethiopian monk somehow trudged over from the sole non-ethiopian mission in Rome across the fricking alps and into medieval bavaria
They are the best long distance runners on earth, after all.
>most historically closet gay enviroment in history
Modern academics will read letters between bros and call them gay because we live in a backwards sex-crazed society.
>She's not even feminist
She literally laments gender warrior bullshit about men getting everything and voices views no woman in that environment did until south american non-nobles were allowed to become nuns.
Noble nuns in Bavaria weren't even restricted in the way Sawyer thinks they were.
>More like gay monks in the most historically closet gay enviroment
Monasteries were not even remotely tolerable of homos any more than they were tolerating murderers.
Although in the past there were people who sent their homosexual sons to become priests, that does not mean that the norm is for them to be homosexuals who openly practice their deviations indoors.
It's like I made a video game about a school and had teachers being pedophiles, that sure happens sometimes but representing that in such a casual way would not be faithful to reality.
>that does not mean that the norm is for them to be homosexuals who openly practice their deviations indoors
But the game doesn't show it as the norm or openly practised, that's your schizo headcanon.
They get caught and you can blackmail them.
>But the game doesn't show it as the norm
It actually does compared to the reality that it didn't occur as there are no known historical cases of monks engaging in illicit relations.
Not that it's even remotely a historical game.
Within this one village in Bavaria you have black ethiopian priests lecturing the locals about black christianity, gay monks engaging in illicit relations within the confines of the monastery, feminist nuns going at length rants about how unfair women have it and they all speak like modern day californians. Not going into the later woman protag's painting.
The main character also asks israelites for forgiveness for saying grace at dinner despite this contradicting both the christian view but also the fact that BOTH RELIGIONS SAY GRACE ACCORDING TO OLD TESTAMENT LAW the only difference being before or after the meal.
It's a fricking moronic game from a current view much less a historical one.
>It actually does compared to the reality that it didn't occur as there are no known historical cases of monks engaging in illicit relations.
What a dumb moronic logic. The kind of nonsense people who think themselves smarter than they are. Peak midwit.
And I'm being honest anon, your arguments are "in my head it's happening like this, hence that's the objetive way it's presented".
As you can see many anons are disagreeing with you, so no, not objective at all.
And don't move the goalpost, the game shows it a a secret activity, not the norm like you literally claimed, argue out of that if you can.
>What a dumb moronic logic. The kind of nonsense people who think themselves smarter than they are. Peak midwit.
This coming from someone pushing his fetish over historical reality.
Fact is there are no known cases of monks being caught out in illicit relations in medieval times because it's a very strict regimented way of life. (incidentally another thing Pentiment gets wrong, but that's presumably because Eco glosses over it except during morning Vespers and they didn't do much more research than ripping him off)
>As you can see many anons are disagreeing with you
Can't say I see much of that. You're seething about it but you're also not offering a historical perspective whatsoever.
>This coming from someone pushing his fetish over historical reality.
What the frick are you on, schizo?
Talk about helping your arguments, now you look completely moronic, good work.
I don't need to argue with posts like this, thanks dude.
>buttmad discord homosexual loses ANOTHER argument on V
god i love to see it.
>openly practice
There is no open practice. They go to extreme lengths to hide it from everyone else.
So they go to such extremes to hide it, and yet a homosexual californian 500 years in the future knows all about it from his totally unbiased sources and presents it as historically accurate.
>who openly practice their deviations
They dont practice it openly, they hide at night and you can blackmail them about it.
It's really no different in how KCD does it.
Pop cult american fake ""history"" and the main mystery is one of those fake detective stories like Disco where the culprit is only introduced at the last second.
>where the culprit is only introduced at the last second.
So you didn't finish the game?
You know full well what I mean.
It's only possible to connect the dots near the end and the game literally doesn't give a shit if you get things right or not. Like Disco it doesn't care about the detective story itself.
Because solving the murders is not really what the game is about, that's just the narrative frame.
Everythihng from the title to the themes, the backgroud lore and all the game mechanics are about the same stuff, which is not a murder mystery.
>Because solving the murders is not really what the game is about, that's just the narrative frame.
Exactly.
It's a fake detective game.
Seems like you were expecting a detective game.
The question is why?And how is that the game's fault?
>The question is why?
That's how it was sold. As a detective mystery.
It wasn't until post-release they started admitting it wasn't really.
>That's how it was sold. As a detective mystery.
Honestly? Kinda dumb but I guess there's few options to market a niche game such as this.
Also mostly The Name of The Rose's huge influence.
father thomas was there from the beginning moron
Play the game before you post, moron.
>This thread
>I can't believe that the church most known for willfully hiding priests that rape little boys might have secretly gay monks
I don't play indie trash made by autistic far leftist commies
Yes you do. You just don't know it. Almost none of your vidya, let alone any other culture you consume, was made by rightoids because they are, by definition, at odds with the very concepts of civilization, culture and abstract thought.
As historically accurate as it gets.
>e-everything is actually left
>i-it's historically accurate
Frick off and die.
Peak adventure game. Josh is the ludomeister.
>adventure game
It's one of those dogshit CYOAs with nearly no branching like Pillars of the Earth, except less historical, not an adventure game.
Literally who?
oh... LOL
Irrelevant numbers.
Game was funded by Microsost and released on GamePass day 1.
It's a small miracle MS decided to bankroll such a niche game.
MS funding AA projects is why Xbox doesn't have a strong mainstream title anymore
This doesn't even clasify as AA, it's an indie game paid by MS.
Yeah but the polish and features are above indie
This. They should be funding games like Stellar Blade, but since they're against female beauty it will never happen. You will get games like Fable with an uggo female lead that people will refuse to play let alone buy.
This game sucked but I'll watch the documentary anyways because I respect Josh Soiyer
Don't listen to Zoomers trying to badmouth this game, they just can't handle reading dialogue with no voice over.
Would you say the game is... kino?
I'd say it's skibidi rizz if that convinces you.
sheeeeeesh wishlisted
Oh, neat.
Yes, I did play it and loved it. Though I will never replay it again because I find it bullshit you are forced to pick two innocent (for the murder at least) each time.
It really is a game born out of someone's immense fascination on the subject and I can see Josh Sawyer cracking up his whole bookshelf on life and religion in middle ages germany for this game. The characters were so and so, the world building fantastic and the twist was sad and believable.
I enjoyed Pentiment quite a lot tbh but I have no desire to replay it, it dragged on a bit towards the end.
No it looked boring and apparently it is full of homosexuals and Black folk. Not for me
So tired of californian understanding of history
Frick you homosexuals, it's one of the better games depicting a medieval/early modern setting. Or do you prefer the hollywood version of peseants dressed in brown eating mud after they've tended to their pig shit farms?
How is cum drinking black monks any better?
Ask your father.
I think you played a different version of the game than I did, maybe you had some mods enabled or something.
Show me the monk please. I haven't played it yet.
The "black" monk Sebhat is a reference to Saint Moses, and also in actuality an Egyptian Coptic who was an emissary of his autocephaly to Rome. It's a contrivance for him to show up at the monastery but it's not an ahistoricism -- the only people who likely would even be able to give it this kind of background would have comprehensively studied classical Roman and early to medieval Christian history. The gay monks are a reference/rip-off of Eco's Name of the Rose; these relations are known to have happened in real monasteries of the period, but typically they would be homoplatonic without sexual contact. The only aggravating "artistic liberty" is with the gypsy and his impossibly dark skin for the ethnic group. Don't b***h about something like history before you know whether you're actually knowledgeable about it.
Black person worship isn't history, it's Californian homosexualry
>it's not an ahistoricism
Yes it is.
Only a single Ethiopian is even claimed to have travelled beyond Rome during Medieval times and that's assuming you take a non-peer reviewed american "luther studies" journal's citations at their word, with no other known mention of their primary sources yet demanding that we "Honor the Reformation's African roots" and claiming the Reformation came about because of Luther's personal love for Ethiopian Christianity.
They didn't even travel to Portugal despite that being the only nation they had actual relations with.
>but it's not an ahistoricism
It very much is. Anyone can tell you as much outside of california.
>these relations are known to have happened in real monasteries of the period
This is a blatant lie. There are in fact not a single known case of this happening recorded anywhere. The monks were usually the ones raising internal complaints against diocesans within the catholic hierarchy over sodomy.
>but typically they would be homoplatonic without sexual contact.
"Homoplatonic". You mean male friendship without a single ounce of homosexuality involved.
>The only aggravating "artistic liberty"
All of it is nonsensical bullshit of the worst kind.
>is with the gypsy and his impossibly dark skin for the ethnic group.
Wrong skin, hair, religious views and hipster american ones in their place.
>Don't b***h about something like history before you know whether you're actually knowledgeable about it.
Fricking ironic.
>documentary for game that nobody played
Why?
>game
It's a point and click visual novel. I enjoyed the art direction and I did feel compelled to finish the game and see the story to completion. However there is very little branching choices and those don't even really effect the outcome.
I like how KCD portrayed monk life much better.
Just dudes playing dices and drinking wine in secret at night.
No need for homosexualry shit.
bro one the new monks was a guy who have been sent to the monastery after his noblemen parents found out he's gay
you know what?
I take it back
It was completely optional thing that you can find out and it was done pretty realistically
>bro monks live totally free and without supervision particularly sinning new ones
Benedictine Monasteries have nearly a hundred rules they have to follow, including presence before others with strict punishments.
They have very strict rules for anyone spending their first 12 months there where they're treated as a guest and not a real monk.
And that's assuming it's one of the pre-1500 ones and not one of the reformed monasteries that took an even stricter view.
"Henry can confront Lucas about his 'proclivities', which the novice considers a test of his faith. He swears that he never committed the cardinal sin of laying with another man, simply confessed his desire when his father tried to arrange a marriage, resulting in him being sent to the Monastery to avoid a scandal. Lucas appears resigned to this arrangement, as being a homosexual in that era would have been an intolerable sin, and brought great shame and probably persecution on him and his family."
and the gay knows it's bad and want to repent to god and that's why he's in a fricking monastery because he couldn't bear to get in an arranged marriage by his dad
that's the only footnote that gay should get in history and the game treated it perfectly
More anachronistic nonsense. In medieval times you were simply a sodomist sinner who couldn't control his urges.
You weren't "a homosexual" in that era. That's a modern libertine invention of the 19-20th century britbongs misreading the greeks.
That's why you don't find any homosexual "male-only" writings from before modern times. Only greeks going on about their preference for pederastic relations with young boys.
Usually they would just call you a sodomite and castrate you unless you were a king.
Re "before modern times": just off the top of my head, you can 'woman-hater' accounts from Edo-period Japan in the Nanshoku Okagami. Regardless of how applying 'homosexuality' to pre-modern contexts is anachronistic, we know that pre-modern homophilic men still experienced this urge and that it would be considered a moral failing or hazard in medieval Europe.
Again, he is not an actual Ethiopian. He is a Coptic Egyptian, likely from Upper Egypt, but called Ethiopian as an exonym in the context of medieval Europe. His skin colour and hair texture reflects this. Ironically the depiction of dark-skinned people comes only when the Bavarians are imagining the scenes he relates.
I know by you saying "There are in fact not a single known case of this happening recorded anywhere" that you don't actually know anything on this topic. We have multiple documents dating from early to medieval Christianity concerning the problems and dangers of male cohabitation, complaints from abbots and monastic fathers on the peril of carnal relations in those environments. Go contact an actual historian at an institution of your choice who has studied original documents and archives and you'll know this.
There are thousands of years of Christian history preceding you.
>Regardless of how applying 'homosexuality' to pre-modern contexts is anachronistic, we know that pre-modern homophilic men still experienced this urge
They experienced the urge to frick children you mean. Since that's usually what sodomy cases were about.
>He is a Coptic Egyptian
He is explicitly from the Ethiopian Church in Rome and mentions Ethiopian foods and his art is based on Ethiopian manuscripts you massively dishonest homosexual.
>I know by you saying "There are in fact not a single known case of this happening recorded anywhere" that you don't actually know anything on this topic.
In other words, you're preparing to lie but cannot actually cite anything.
Feel free to cite a single case of monastic monks in medieval times being caught engaging in sodomy.
>concerning the problems and dangers of male cohabitation
Then cite them. Because we have no known cases of monastic monks being caught out in illicit relations due to how strict and regimented their lifestyles were while we have plenty on priests among the laity.
>Go contact an actual historian
Feel free to do so and cite a single source for your claims or continue being labeled a piece of shit liar, even if that has already been made self-evident to anyone reading this like your portrayal of the Ethiopian in contrast with the actual game and the devs behind the game saying as much.
>Because we have no known cases of monastic monks being caught out in illicit relations
Sure, but don't you think it's plausible that two gay monks banged inside a monastery sometime in the last thousand years?
Read up on monastic rules. Short answer no. That's why we don't have any examples of it.
>Again, he is not an actual Ethiopian. He is a Coptic Egyptian, likely from Upper Egypt, but called Ethiopian as an exonym in the context of medieval Europe.
He's explicitly Ethiopian (from the Horn of Africa) you mong. The game even renders him in solomonic dynasty art style.
>He is explicitly from the Ethiopian Church in Rome and mentions Ethiopian foods and his art is based on Ethiopian manuscripts you massively dishonest homosexual.
I am actually incorrect on this after double-checking his scenes and lines; the injera reference does cement it. My apology and thanks for the correction. With this being the case it still doesn't come across as inappropriate besides being a contrivance. The "Ethiopian Church in Rome" is referring to the Santo Stefano degli Abissini, which would be rededicated to Coptic Ethiopians the 15th and 16th centuries, when contact was established with Christian Amharas and other East African Christians through the Iberian navigations.
>Then cite them. Because we have no known cases of monastic monks being caught out in illicit relations due to how strict and regimented their lifestyles were while we have plenty on priests among the laity.
Shenoute's Canons, Peter Damian's Liber Gomorrhianus as the most suitable come to mind. Concerned with the issues of carnality and sodomy in early Christian monasticism and medieval European society, respectively. "And for those among us, rather man or woman, who shall be caught being friends to their neighbour in physical desire, they will be cursed in all their deeds that they do. But if they are in ignorance, be them free from all the curses that are written down."
I told you to contact an actual historian because they have access to original documents on this in the Greek and Latin which for the most part aren't accessible outside of university libraries and intranets. And for it to be one of your choice because this would be corroborated regardless of which institution or expert you'd consider trustworthy.
>With this being the case it still doesn't come across as inappropriate besides being a contrivance.
lmao
>Shenoute's Canons
Non-European and discussed male-female cohabitation not homosexuality. I can tell you picked this off from an /r/askhistorians post to boot along with the Hersiesios (not "ersiesios" as your filename suggests) quote being from the same post.
>Peter Damian's Liber Gomorrhianus
Is a book BY a monk denouncing sodomy in the diocesan priesthood, not among other monks. More quoting something you haven't actually read.
>I told you to contact an actual historian because
Because you clearly don't know frick all about the subject and just ripped out the first redditpost you could find when searching gay monastics, ignoring that it was a revisionist attempt by a plebbitor in the first case and not dealing with monasticism in the latter.
DAS RITE
SAINT NICHOLAS WAS BLACK OF BLACK ANATOLIAN DESCENT (pretty mcuh tukirsh)
we wuz monks n saints n shiet
How would you rate the historical accuracy of the setting in this game on a scale of 1 to 10?
I'm not a history buff, but I'd give it a 5/10
-5.
50 Cent: Blood on the Sand is a more accurate take on medieval history by not actively lying about it.
What did soiyer lie about? Isn't the game set in renaissance?
Just read the thread. It doesn't touch on everything but it mentions plenty of issues.
6.
The Roman gods/early Christianity stuff is well done, and it's the true meat of the game, not the murders.
Why is it that not a single one of the "stop it with the politics guis" posters actually start out like that and it's just blatant bunkertroons who resort to it after they lost?
I think I skipped a humble choice because this was in it.
It’s been on my backlog for a while, I just haven’t gotten around to it. Too busy with schoolwork to justify sitting down and dedicating some real time to playing it.
It's like 6 hours long, and even the third act should be shorter.
No shit? Dayum, I oughtta blast through it real soon then. For some reason I was under the impression it was long as hell like Disco Elysium.
Too american for me. They feel like modern liberals rather than real medieval people.
Even something as simple as having no more than two kids is a big tell that they don't really get it.
Removed from all the extremely coincidental progressive aspects localized entirely in some bumfrick nowhere village in the Alps where there is a *double monastery*, the game is extremely frontloaded. I was genuinely really invested with the story with Act I, especially with the artsy set pieces. But after that, Act II and III just shits itself with everything Act I built up while assassinating Andreas's character.
The WORST offense is the ending. It's extremely idiotic that the idea that a priest would be protecting people from the "truth" of a Roman statue becoming folklore because anyone with any passing knowledge of the history of the village - which many characters ACTIVELY SHOW - would be able to connect those dots. And its played up to be this huge thing that would somehow destroy the community. Absolute dogshit ending written by a midwit who thinks that all Christians are incapable of individual thought.
I did and it was garbage. not good as a point and click game, not good as a detective game, not good as a narrative game. It's a half assed interactive documentary with a shallow storyline shoved in. Oh, and 0 replayability
Wasn't this made by a gay guy? Josh Sawyer of Obsidian, or something?
Nah he gets upset if you call him gay. Like real upset despite having publicly abused his employees for not adding in enough gays.
That said he's a genuine public porn-addicted onlyfans simp and has been hinting at trooning out recently.
I just wanted to play games made by heterosexual white (and east asian) men.
You still can. Just don't buy anything out of California and nothing AAA.
I'm probably one of the 3 people on Ganker that enjoyed this game. It's very well made and the OST is a banger, I'd just chill around the village listening to it sometimes. Part 3 sucked though
Also I don't remember seeing gay monks, only the monk and nun couple that left the abbey to live together, but I know this game has a shitload of stuff I probably missed, so it definitely isn't something that's pushed in your face.