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It won't sell
the devs don't want it to
It'll suck and won't be persona anymore it would become a redditors fanfic
School settings are for people with abnormally high amounts of estrogen
High school girls are hotter
FPBP
Hags can eat a gun
>hags
college girls are 19-23 years old, how is that old enough to give them hag status?
Day over 18 is basically a grandma.
You guys don't have any sex with anyone
>"I BET YOU DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO HOLES"
>"heh, gottem"
Literally coping and seething. Sad.
"Coping and seething" is dusting off the virgin card every time you get mad.
>Y-you're a simp because you don't like cartoon underage women like me! I'm totally a sex haver bro!
Again, SAD!
Nobody calls themselves a sexhaver virgin loser
Keep holding that vcard for the "right girl" "nice guy"
Is this how pedos rationalize their degenerate fantasies? You will never be accepted by society and that's a good thing.
I don't need to be accepted by society just like japan doesn't need to cater to you and they never will
The only coping is being done on your end
She will not see this
You will not get any ever
I will disrespect women while plowing their cooch
You will get nothing.
Cope.
I do actually but you don't which is evident by your white knighting of fictional characters
Roastie cope
This
>disrespecting hags
You came to the wrong board today
Ok Groomers
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T IMPREGNATE FERTILE YOUNG FEMALE BODIES AAAAHHHH YOU MUST ONLY HAVE SEX WITH BLOWN-OUT BROWN BARN SMELLING ROASTY COED PUSSY.
>he likes old hags
I respect your fetish but don't force that degeneracy on other people.
Implying you won't be able to swing by the local high school to pick up your gf
But the hottest girls in P5 were Kawakami, Tae, and Sae?
It'd be interesting, but the setting itself doesn't matter as much as the actual plot. It's just one aspect of it.
>college
It'll happen. Settings is in america. Everyone is wearing bullet vests and half of the class is black, while the other half is either uggos or trannies.
Sounds like hs to me. There are on average about one black person in all of my college classes thus far
It should be set in middle school so I can date some onee sans from high school.
They tried to make a Persona game that wasn't set in a school and it flopped (still a good game though)
The best games in a series tend to flop. Too high IQ for lowest common denominators.
cope, it was shit and nobody liked it
I liked P2 way more than 1
persona 1 frickign sucks, thought it was my first true smt style game so maybe i just sucked. but seriously it was so frustrating to play. getting status chained, endless random encounters, dungeons that never end, blegh.
I played the PSP version of 1 after 3/4 on my PS2. It just sucks. Combat is half-baked (tying everything to AoE coverage requiring you to be more specific about what weapons/demons you use on each character is micro-managing annoyance), and the random encounter rates are atrocious high, at least in that version. Mo idea if it was modified from the PS1 original beyond the change in soundtrack.
Maybe if the gameplay wasn't trash it could had a chance
Target
audience
Because it should take place in the workplace instead.
Persona 6 needs to grow up. It needs more gyarus and African American females.
I like my waifus younger, simple as
That’s another good reason to age up. I prefer older girls.
That's a terrible reason. You want older girls, fine, write older girls as romanceable options. P5 was great in that respect compared to 3 and 4. The school format allows everyone to get served according to their tastes with minimal controversy.
Look at how much westerners shit themselves over the 1? 2? year age difference between Joker and Futaba. Or hell, the general "creepiness" they keep expressing at the idea of playing a school aged boy dating school aged girls. You'd get 10x that garbage if you aged up the protagonist and had them dating younger women.
Meanwhile not only does anyone hardly bat an eye over the likes of Kawakami(save for that one shitposter claiming she's comparable to Kamoshida), but she's one of the most well liked confidants in the game. You can have your cake and eat it, too, with school aged protags.
It's hilarious that people freak out over Futaba, but nobody blinks at Sumire despite her being a few months younger than Futaba. It all comes down to design.
It's unbelievably stupid, period. But them's the breaks. Better to have an excuse you can hide behind(they're both minors) rather than tempting fate by portraying a college aged adult dating highschoolers or worse, simply limiting your options to begin with.
because i don't need to be reminded that I commuted to my state Uni and never socialized with anyone and then graduated as a khhv
t. 25 yr old neet
We share the same story
It'd be interesting to see a game about living in the adult world with a shitty job and all that and they use the Persona shadow world to jump back to high school and live their ideal lives.
Sort of a reverse Persona where the adult world is the worse of the two.
Ohh my exact thoughts as I read this. They have to sort out their problems from high school. Shadows of various kinds will tempt them to stay since it's an ideal world.
>Game is a reflection on people who live through dream-like escapist fantasies about being a badass highschooler with friends and a girlfriend like in Persona 3/4/5
Kino
They needs to just cut the shit out and have the MC be a male teacher in an all-girl school.
They should take notice. The west is a big audience, they need to cater to us.
It's very well known they don't deal with college because it would be too heavy of a reminder your life is basically over after high school.
Even when they write moeshit like douki-chan, it's still done in a very softcore way.
A series like Persona dealing with adulthood? Forget it.
High schoolers are hotter than college students
This will never happen in a million years. Weebs are stuck in arrested development and the thought of playing as someone that’s older than 14 sends them into brain aneurysms.
Plus anime production studios in Japan have directives to their employees to only produce high school centric anime because its what would be what sells the best overseas and in Japan - for an anime game like Persona it just won't happen. That said the best party was the Persona 2 EP party which was entirely adults
Or maybe, just maybe, you 30y/os are not the target demographic of these games.
Growing up is just a codeword to become a sheep
>Persona can't work outside of high sch-
Based game need to play it again sometime. I really wanted the pink 'RA(heart)E' T-shirt when I was younger because I thought it was meant to be 'rave' but now I'm glad i didn't because it could easily be interpreted as 'rape'
>filled with troonys and gays
>do nothing but get drunk in a bar because everyones a loser
Just keep it in high school. Modern persona is basically its calendar system, you can't stretch that shit out for over a year or the main characters daily life of wage slaving 6 days a week.
It's easy to write around a calender system and to write a explanation for everyone quitting work
why the frick is this an argument all of a sudden? The only thing in common Persona and Catherine have is Publisher, music, and style.
Why do people who don't like persona feel the need to share their opinions?
P2EP is affirmation Persona does not need a high school setting or teenagers. Even P4A & P4U via the Shadow Operatives show the potential for an adult cast in a Persona game. Catherine is perfectly demonstrates ATLUS is capable of pushing the series in a more adult setting divorced from yet another creatively bankrupt "Japanese teenagers save the world" plot.
"Persona" in and of itself is not defined by "high school" - you can still very much enjoy the series and criticize the stagnation in setting. The problem is, as I stated, Japanese vidya/manga/anime writers are creatively bankrupt and would rather fall on tried and true (hackneyed) tropes - which is why the market is oversaturated with the same shit. And with the Hashino trilogy, the core audience is now generally comprised of autistic failures and waifugays, so a high-school setting where NEETs can vicariously frick prime-teen pussy is the least dangerous route ATLUS can take. Bonus for merchandising said girls. So from a financial perspective, it makes perfect sense why ATLUS will not cease milking the high school drivel.
Still doesn't make it any less overdone and uninspired.
P2EP is also the worst selling entry of the franchise and why the franchise went on ice until P3 which overhauled the entire thing. Persona is High School and it's not going to change despite how much the Western audience screams for it.
>P2EP is also the worst selling entry
Co-relation is not causation. That is not an argument. Post proof having an "adult" caused that. Even if you can do this, it in no way dispels what I said. ATLUS is capable of doing it, but the "fans" are holding the series hostage so they can jack off to latest batch of high school 2D girls. Narrative and gameplay be damned.
What if the high school was in the character's minds within a dream or within a dreamlike realm?
you do know that Persona is made as a high school spinoff of Megaten?
And also, did you know that Megami Tensei itself started as a high school power fantasy?
Face it, Persona is better off as a high school setting. Atlus can make another branch of Megaten with college student aged people like Megaten Nine.... oh wait, nobody likes it
It was released on Xbox of all things you dishonest dipshit. Doomed from the very start.
Eh. Nearly all Megatens tend to star high-school aged kids. A few exceptions exist of course:
>SMT: Strange Journey
>Devil Summoner
>Soul Hackers
And I think the protagonists of other spin-offs like Giten Megami Tensei and Majin Tensei star adults too, but I've never played them. But the overwhelming majority of the protagonists in this franchise tend to be in the 16-18 age range. The protagonists of all the numbered SMT titles, the original Megami Tensei games, the Persona series (with the notable exception of Eternal Punishment, but the "true" main character of that game is still Tatsuya), Raidou (the youngest of the Devil Summoner protags), Devil Survivor. It's the general default state of the franchise as a whole.
>best protagonist in the franchise is a kid in a high school uniform with some tubes
Proof high school is not a fundamental problem.
raidou doesn't take place in a high school setting.
>you do know that Persona is made as a high school spinoff of Megaten?
Yes? And? The series is not "defined" by it, as high school is not the essence of what Persona is. Did you even read my post? Most Jap shit is "high school setting", so your point is moot.
> Atlus can make another branch of Megaten with college student aged people like Megaten Nine.... oh wait, nobody likes it
You mean the Japanese only XBOX game? No one played it? WHO WOULD HAVE FRICKING THOUGHT? Are you being moronic on purpose?
Catherine sold well purely by riding the coattails of Persona 3 and 4. Don't give me that fallacious bullshit.
As game journos they're forced to play it for coverage, so they want to shape it into something they'd enjoy instead of accepting it's their job to review games for children they don't care about and the games aren't supposed to be for adults or Americans and they aren't supposed to enjoy reviewing them.
Journalists don't even like videogames period, they're only in the industry because it's the easiest to get into.
If they're required to go through these things, they'd rather it be a movie with occasional interactive sequences rather than something that actually requires a thought process.
ITT westerners project their shitty thoughts towards a series made by japanese devs for japanese people who want high school wish fulfillment. You take the high school out of persona 90% of the audiance also disappears but that might just be what western "journalists" want
I wouldn't mind a spin-off or similar game where the protagonist is neither in high school nor college, but is an actual working adult.
It's called Catherine
That's not a jRPG.
Judgment works as a harem game where you're a 30 something guy that can date younger girls (and 29 year old cakes) but it has the Yakuza beat em up combat instead of JRPG combat. Even though the combat is different, it does feel pretty close to Persona, the first game even has social links. It goes on sale for like $20, I recommend trying it if you haven't.
Not that anon but I'm probably just going to wait until I get a PS5 before playing Judgment. It'll never come to PC and I'm not going to play it on a base PS4.
>the elder scrolls needs to grow up from the medieval fantasy setting and explore a modern setting
>*C0DA rears its ugly head*
C0DA MAKES IT CANNON
Japan doesn't want that and no matter how much anywhere else screams about it they won't give a frick. For Japs High school is the best time before they get fricked in the ass by studying and or work, so it will never change.
>For Japs High school is the best time before they get fricked in the ass by studying and or work, so it will never change.
Many people in the U.S. feel the same way. They're moronic though, high school fricking sucked.
I mean sure, but for Japan it's you get done high school and you never get to have fun again for a long while.
>anime
>grown up
pick one
>Persona 6 stars adults
>Every spends 16 hours at work every day
>Too tired to fight demons
>have game start with some lockdown like tbh or covid shutdown
>turns out the big bad caused it
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Japan only likes high school settings not college. They also prefer coming of age stories. To them adulthood is boring.
Western shitters just have to deal with it.
japan jerks off high school because it's pretty much the last time they were able to enjoy life before becoming office slaves.
Those bug eyed nips need to grow a pair and realise how much better adulthood is
You have never seen like those poor slaves work like in Japan have you?
>OOOOOOH NOO I CANNOT BE ZA NAIL ZAT STICKS OUT OR ELSE NŌSEBERGU-SAMA WILL HAMMER ME DOWN
Like I said. Grow a pair. Their lives don't need to be that hard but everyone is scared of what, people quietly excluding you in the typical Japanese way. Gee better go -ACK myself in the forest because I work so hard instead and get recorded by some American YouTuber. They seem incapable of being anything other than hikki's or 12 hour day work slaves - for a country with Buddhist roots they seem to struggle with the 'middle way'
No most people do not struggle. People who couldn't cut it are not indicative of the average person
All it means is japan is much more ruthless to people who don't fit in, not that it has more. Meanwhile America has a lower suicide rate but higher rates of mental illness and the highest rate of single motherhood in the world. Is that what "growing a pair" means
Quite a lot of people seem to not be able to cut it and there's probably a lot of undiagnosed mental illness out there don't kid yourself.
>All it means is japan is much more ruthless to people who don't fit in, not that it has more.
How do you know it does not have way more?
They would not let you know for fear of being ostracized, like you said.
They even aged down certain characters when adapting from light novels to manga/anime like the ones in Konosuba.
Some stories about older characters did do well in the West though like Shield Hero. Tokyo Ghoul is a notable one about college age characters too. But the ones about older characters that usually do well tend to be college comedies or workplace comedies.
College setting or adult setting for anime has been getting more popular over time. Like you said Tokyo Ghoul has college characters, One Punch Man has working adults, romcoms have been pushing it like that Rent-a-gf which is set in college, iirc Re:Zeros protag is actually post high school but he's a neet so it doesn't really matter much aside from making most of the girls around 18ish
It's not like it never happens it's just not the focus. And it's not as if American media is much better, look at pulp hollywood movies and you'll find a ton of high school romance or action shit like spiderman. Gamers are just moronic and don't see that anime is japan's pulp media
Apart from Stranger Things and maybe Euphoria, most new American media seems to be about adults the days. Even most Marvel movies have adult casts. You rarely see movies set in highschool these days while the 2000s was full of them.
Probably a result of the average age going up though. Anime definitely has a much more prevalent high school bias. Even seinen (mostly comedies) have a lot of that, although like you said it is changing kind of. It's weird to think that anime like Kaguya Love is War are actually aimed at young adults in Japan.
Because it's a Japanese VN and those always take place in high schools.
yeah, let's put it a retirement home and pay journalists to give it a binch of gay awards so sega can feel good about itself
Not everything is about you OP.
Setting it in college would be better. High school is too juvenile for me.
But, that's not the target audience. It's just a funny game where you teach people not to be meanies for children.
newsflash pal, video games are for adults
just look at who buys pokemon
i think pokmeon should also have an aged up thing, where you start as a 30 year old man, I don't care to have a woman option because women should not be playing video games
If you believe so strongly in this niche then fill it. Make that adults juggling work, dating and summoning demons game. Pander to all the whatever groups currently have the best PR. Next you force it to succeed with gargantuan marketing powers, crush the original series you supposedly loved then when the directionless market tested mush you made doesnt quite hit the same spot anymore, wonder what could have possibly gone wrong.
>directionless market tested mush
That's literally what the high school setting is in Japanese media.
Because the entire point of the stories is teenagers rising above their drab real life into something more spectacular, while still juggling real life shit on the side. It resonates with teenagers because it’s real to them and adults who long for the time in their lives when all they had to worry about was doing their homework, being noticed by their crush, and play videogames.
It is literally impossible to tell a Persona story without this juxtaposition, because it’s be so far removed from what makes Persona into Persona.
DESU, I think you can make a game about adults and also teenagers rising above their drab lives. Just make it about staff at high school. MC is a homeroom teacher at whatever high and he has a class of students each with individual stories, their own cliques, inner relationships and politics and problems. Main characters are all adults who work there, like nurse, janitor, guard and maybe couple of more teachers.
I’d kill for a GTO rpg.
>game franchise exclusively for friendless autismos needs to grow up
sounds like a financially disastrous decision
>this game franchise should pander to me exclusively
No. Grow up and make your own kids, manbaby.
I used to think this when I was younger before Persona 5 released but as I got older I realized a core appeal of the series is its adolescent power fantasy theme. I played Persona 4 when I was 16 and it had a tremendous impact on me because I was the same age as the characters. Persona 5 didn't resonate with me nearly as much but I was also like a decade older than the main cast so of course it didn't.
Just accept that you aren't the main target demographic anymore, enjoy it for what it is or move on.
I don't buy the idea the you need to be the same age as a character for it to resonate.
Either way there isn't much difference between a 16-17 year old and an 18 year old college freshman for obvious reasons.
>I don't buy the idea the you need to be the same age as a character for it to resonate.
You don't need to, but it certainly helps, especially in Persona's case with how the whole game is designed around relationships.
It's more that it resonates when you're young and going through the same problems that the characters are going through. Then you grow up and start to feel like all these kids are being overly dramatic over nothing,
Well Persona 5 has some pretty extreme shit compared to what most teens go through.
>it feels like kids are being dramatic over nothing
In the real world? Absolutely. The most hardship most children go through is having to balance school and a pissant job. Which exists as training for you to enter a more demanding job. That’s why adults find it laughable when kids b***h and moan. Like if they think that’s hard they need someone to tell them to buckle up buttercup
How about jounous stop being pompous dickheads?
>they only want this because the games make them feel uncomfortable gushing over children
Anyone who says they don't find teenagers hot is a filthy fricking liar who is trying to hide something
>5 games
>adulthood
How to know in 2 words that the journo has only played P5
Wait I'm moronic, it's three words
Today I will remind them
>MC's death = game over
It's called balanced. The protagonist being the strongest and most versatile character requires an equally large demerit to balance it out.
>Manual skill selection
Did this moron even play the game?
>Add buffs and debuffs that affect more than just raw stats
What the frick is this moron talking about?
>Streamline the fusion process
People who spend 30+ minutes in the Velvet Room (like me) are just autistic. You don't actually need to do that. Anyone who spends 30+ minutes in the Velvet Room (like me) does it by choice, not because they have to.
>Give party members skills the protagonist can't use
Both Golden and Royal fricking do that.
>harder difficulties
Those fricking exist.
>Monad
Monad was just a fricking grinding area, it was literally an extra segment of Tartarus and nothing more.
>Show the exact turn order
There's a fricking button for that.
I hate this so much my autism might go full nuclear and destroy my city block.
Most of these are garbage, but there's nothing inherently bad or good about making it about young adults.
I will say that if you play Persona as an adult I don't see how uou can enjoyment out of the writing. A lot of the game is just "adults bad," which I get is a common theme in stories about teenagers, but it's not very interesting.
That's not true for any games before P4, even P4 itself barely has any relation to that theme.
Why does resetera always think so highly of themselves despite being a fairly obscure site? Even reddit isn't this pretentious
Quite a few game devs and journos hang out there so they think they're "it" when it comes to game dev
Translation:
>We didn't play the game. We watched a playthrough and participate with the twitter side of the fanbase.
ResetEra showing how moronic they are again.
These are so fricking wishy-washy that they made tangible points only twice: broader customization would be neat and tutorials can be shorter. But these are such tiny, but widespread points that you can't credit ResetEra with them.
i hate that theres some good, valid points in these images, but you can't agree with any of it without some autist saying you gotta accept EVERYTHING they bring up
You can make valid points but if you make stupid moronic points in the same breath, it invalidates your entire character.
>make game better
>but add Black folk and homosexuals and make plot about that
This is so needed
I don't mind the high school setting, although I wish they would drop the "adults are bad" theme someday
Adults bad is literally only P5 though, how can you say that and post a P2 image
The final boss of IS literally your dad
Because the point is that high school is something nearly 100% of the Japanese market either has experienced, is experiencing, or will experience whereas not everyone will go to college. The idea is that it creates a sense of familiarity for the urban fantasy to stand in contrast with.
It was Nyarlathotep turning into the party's (minus Tatsuya's and Yukino's) dads as a combined entity that represents the party's father issues.
That game journalist was squeezing their dick for hours trying to come up with any fricking topic to write their daily article about. Taking it seriously at all means you're a homosexual.
Because it wouldn't mesh with the story. Each Persona game from 3 up has themes of growing up and learning to accept things. Kinda hard to do that with a cast of adults.
Besides, if they did that they would just try to milk the P5 cast once again because they are familiar.
Persona 6's MC should be a black student from Detroit
I don't care if it does or not but I don't get why people are so adamant about it, as if it's going to change anything. It'll be the exact same formula, just that the setting is college instead of high school. The change of setting won't let them cover anything more "mature" than they've already done since they already did murder, rape, physical abuse, drugs, etc.
I think people confuse better writing with a more mature cast. Like you said the games already cover some bad shit, making the characters adults won't make the writing better. It's still the same people working on it.
Pretty much. Adding a couple years to characters' ages won't change anything.
If you don't like Persona being set in highschool don't play it, simple as. Games do not need to change just because morons don't like it, Persona should always have a male protagonist and be set in high school simply because that's what Persona always has been.
People who think this are the same people who get upset that video games "aren't realistic"
It taking place in high school is part of the wish fulfillment
It should.
But if western SJWs want it I rather it stay in a high school setting.
Frick college, how about the protag being in the actual work force. That would be neat, you would also get a salary and bonuses.
Westoids need to stop talking
>college
>high school
jap settings are horrible, no wonder their characters are beyond horrible as well
teenagers never made for interesting characters
As much as the idea where you play as a department in a big conglomerate company that makes nothing that moonlights as a demon extermination squad is fricking kino...
No. You don't get to have that. You only want it because you're older now and you feel out of touch with teenagers.
I mean, they could do that but with the remaining cast from P3... It's literally what most of them do.
The only reason why the new 'fans' of the series wants the man cast to be college age is because they went to be able to say "See! This character in P6 acts exactly like me and they are 20+ lol, look how wacky and unique I am!"
They can't do that currently without looking like weirdos... Even though they will look like that regardless.
those are probably the same kind of people that don't even read the game text so it wouldn't matter anyway and they'd just try to hijack characters based off of their looks
Anon, you have literally just described 90% of the people who say they are fans but have never touched a Persona game.
Frick that. Persona 6 should talk place in middle school. Actually even better make it elementary school. I want to get romantic with some Japanese 3rd graders.
Hear me out: Persona X Rugrats.
I would love to max my social link with Angelica.
Aren't a lot of themes of the party S Links related finding who you are, what you want in life and growing up? Sure, you can do that in college but by then you should've already sorted your life out.
The college setting is just an excuse for ironic weebs to not feel creepy over being in love with drawings of fictional 16 year olds isn't it? For the sake of normalgay acceptance? Frick that. Plus, if we get a JK as a party member you can frick, you know they'll say it's creepy and disturbing and bad and pedophilic or whatever.
Look, I know I would love to see a game that has an office setting because I have a thing for OLs and pantyhoses but I'm not going to go out of my way to demand everything be changed to appeal to my sensibilities.
The same could be said for any fricking Japanese rpg or anime, which always seems to be obsessed with high school life and high school kids.
It's the mindset of the Japanese. The years they have in High School is when some experience freedom and discovering themselves before they end up as cogs in a corporation.
It's unrelatable as frick once you leave his though. I don't like being putting into the role of some homosexual wearing a student outfit joining clubs and shit... It's all in the past.
Why is Persona not ported to mobile phones?
Every JRPG with turn based combat should be on mobile, no way I'm using my $800 GPU to play visual novel like game.
college liberals suck and nobody wants to play as one
-> ->
Here's one right here.
Real reason: dumb Black person gamers didn't get into college and won't be able to identify with it. So they will autistically screech for their high school larp to come back.
Most people in Japan go to college though and Japan is the biggest market for it.
No way it's most people, and even if it is, they're leaving a lot of money on the table if dumb Black person hs dropouts can't but the game.
Found the 30 something year old having a mid-life crisis, desperately trying to fill it with an entertainment medium.
You can fill it with lead and leave the medium whenever. Most games are made for the high school demographic because they have the most free time and also are at the start of having disposable income to pay for it. you're just a projecting homosexual upset you can't connect with 'the kids'.
No, it's pathetic, and you're projecting because you want to go back and relive your shitty HS years.
>I'M NOT PROJECTING YOU ARE
No bro, you're the only one projecting. Persona is fun BECAUSE I'm not playing as myself. You're a middle aged burnout desperately wanting anyone to give even a shred of care for him before he inevitably takes the shotgun mouthwash. I get plenty of b***hes so I don't need video games to vicariously live through.
Like I said, though: you already have the video game made for 30 something depressives one spilled milk away from the revolver, you can go play that if persona doesn't meet your tastes.
Nah, I'm in college and can't relate to protagonist, because he's literally a kid to me. (P5). But people are trying to sell me this game as Uber serious and one of the best games ever.
The writing is laughable. I don't think even teens would take it seriously.
>Nah, I'm in college and can't relate to protagonist
Because he's funny, talented, and gets b***hes unlike you. Normal people don't need the invisible cartoon protagonist to 'relate to', that's entirely on you for trying to self-insert as Joker.
But again: if that's your problem, why aren't you playing the single solitary game where the protagonist is literally you?
It's not true. It's literally that he is just a kid lol. I've tried playing the game, and it hasn't a lot of great elements, but the HS stuff is just way too much for me. I would have thought it was really cool at like 12 or something.
>I can't identify with the high schooler anymore now that I'm a depressed games journalist who everyone hates
OH GOD I'M YIIKIN
I'M LITERALLY
YIIKIN
I'M YIIKIN RIGHT NOW
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The article itself is dumb (I don't need to relate to any video game MC) but they're still accidentally right.
theres only so many times you can re-use the exact same setting before it gets boring and persona needs a change-up.
Japan has been reusing the same exact setting for several decades now. It's not going anywhere.
I realize that they're very rarely punished for it but they're also never rewarded for it. I recognize P6 will be set in yet another japanese high school but they would be better off not doing it.
You are both moronic. You don't need to relate to Joker to self insert into him, he's a blank slate and the dialogue options in the game are designed with just a wide enough range of moods and vague enough to be interpreted and played however the player wants.
It's every other character you're meant to relate to, and if you can't boil down their experiences to their most basic components and emotions to relate to them, then that's very much a "you" problem. I don't need to be a highschool girl to relate to Futaba, or Ann, or Makoto. I don't need to be a woman to relate to Kawakami's struggles. I don't need to be a father or a shop owner to relate to Iwai. And I don't need to be a highschooler or an athlete to relate to Ryuji.
You are an actual brainlet if you honestly need to personally share an exact experience in order to relate to them.
>You are both moronic. You don't need to relate to Joker to self insert into him, he's a blank slate and the dialogue options in the game are designed with just a wide enough range of moods and vague enough to be interpreted and played however the player wants.
That's my point you absolute homosexual. the person trying to self insert into Joker is a talentless burnout
The OP's writer is a talentless burnout
If self-insert is all you're looking for as a 30 something year old do-nothing, there's the award winning RPG YIIK for you.
try reading my post next time you fricking YIIKER
>shift all of all their attention there
fricks sake
It's like 60% in Japan for the rate of post-secondary. Persona 5 + Royal sold a total of 5 million WW, and 400k of that was the first 3 days in Japan for P5, so either way it's not like talking about such broad population segments matters to them much.
College is probably different in Japan and more trade schooly. In America, most big universities are similar to hs except with much more freedom and it's just bigger in general.
College in Japan is more similar to high school if anything since most of them stay local and they don't live in dorms most of the time like in Europe. You go to college, take classes, maybe drink after, and go home.
I wouldn't call it like a trade school, that's a different kind of post-secondary. Maybe prolonged community college is more apt.
Like in the US*
I mean that both in Europe and Japan they don't do dorms usually.
That's probably why I'm no unable to understand their life. Here in America, most people leave home for college and shiz, so it's similar to the plot of persona anyways, just with older people and teacher not literally fricking you.
You really think I want to play a game where I get cucked by a gym teacher? Lmao.
I'm a CS grad, you absolute homosexual cuck.
Okay, you're still a dumb Black person if you want to play hs games for the rest of your life lmao.
I'd rather choke on my lunch than self insert as some numale feminist moron.
So stay in your little HS playpen lmao. Or just make a game where you're a middle schooler, maybe you'll like that too.
>So stay in your little HS playpen lmao.
lmao, enjoy your modern RPG that revolves around 'le adults'.
You sure? I mean they made a game for
years ago, but he still insists on coming to the persona thread to complain about it.
You realize how infantile you sound trying to talk down to me because a game you don't like doesn't pander to you? Grow up, the world doesn't revolve around you.
I'm not even talking down to you. It's just weird you say you're cs grad and you want to stay in a HS setting.
Anon, I don't actually give a shit. I just can't stomach the "waah this game needs to pander only to me and mine!" crowd of babies. When they say college, they don't mean actual college, they want persona: life is strange edition. Because they're self absorbed sociopaths that can't see past their own noses,
It's not even that, I think if you just raise the bar to college, then it would still appeal to everyone that likes his stuff because it would be so similar, but I understand it's a big leap for them to change the game. I just couldn't get into P5 because protag was too childish for me.
>lower the bar
You guys just don't wanna grow up.
>raise the bar
I fail to see how shifting the focus to college raises or lowers anything. It's a different time in a person's life with different social rules. It's not better or worse inherently.
I think even tradies like me could understand a bit of it
I'm sure you could. I don't understand the weirdos that literally want to play hs shit for the rest of your life. You're literally being cucked by a teacher and random authority figures at that age.
>GROW UP!!!!
>by that I mean adopt literally all of my ideals and ideologies unquestioningly and give me loads of preferential treatment despite the fact I do not care about or play your series.
When will these people frick off?
>I'm an aging boomer who is 30 something well aware most of the vidya audience doesn't think like I do and that scares me.
It should be a requirement that video game journalists are under 25 to write about video games. They are physically incapable of connecting with the majority of the vidya audience when they're 30+ kalemale homosexuals pining for attention from a video game series about kids discovering their true potential.
I'm a 30y old boomer and I want them to keep making about high school kids.
The age is not the problem, the mentality is the problem.
It's not hard to figure out: what kinda people want videogame characters to look realistic, to look as ugly as they are otherwise they cannot self-insert?
>the mentality is the problem
I wholeheartedly agree
YOUR mentality is the problem and you should frick off to play something else instead of trying to destroy what people like
I only find underage girls attractive
At least you're being honest which is more than people who are screaming P6 needs a setting with older characters are being.
People always say it's because the Japanese love high school because it's the last time they're free and not slaves etc but from my understanding high school is fricking hard in Japan because you need to get into a good college, and college itself is relatively chill and you just kind of cruise along till you apply for a job and become a salaryman slave. Wouldn't that make college the best period? It's certainly the lowest effort period of their lives.
its not about college being easier, high school is when they kind of figure themselves out and have a lot of their first experiences etc, find out what they want to do in life etc. college is just kind of a big nothing burger in japan and almost just an extended prequel to wageslave life.
High school has the aspect of people from different ways of life choosing their path, while college is more likely to have less varied and tightly knit groups, which is why high school fiction beats college fiction.
Different demographic. These games are meant for teens and young adults, once you grow out of them that's it and that's okay.
No one wants to play through Redditsona.
>[X] needs to grow up
>K-12 in western media
>worst time in the world, pure cringe, miserable and traumatic, can’t wait to grow up
>K-12 in Japanese media
>best time of your life, happy memories, take me back to the good old days!
Why is this? Are Japs all morons who peak in highschool?
It's because western media is mostly influenced by America, in which school system is just fricking awful, most mutts are moronic especially as kids and also Black person infestation makes everything even worse so it's no wonder everyone just hated school there.
Japs on the other hand apparently lose all their friends, free time, dignity, personality and whatever else once they leave school because they're immediately put into gulags in which they sleep in pods and work 24/7 so they can afford one large Reimu fumo before riterment.
i want nanako to be the p6 mc and the setting to be her elementary school and she has to battle royale the class
Puritygays can't handle most of the female cast not being virgins anymore
Plenty of virgins in college. In fact the girls that are bawds in HS tend not to perform well academically anyways.
idk if this is a thing specific to my country in europe but law school uni girls are some of the biggest bawds around
>plenty of virgins in college
Yeah, the guys who couldn't get gfs in high school
You really think he is like the peak of life lmao? That's funny.
I'm in my thirties and I'm fine with the series sticking to High School.
What is with people once they're thirty screaming that the game needs to pander to them?
They're angry that they aren't the target audience any more.
It's because you want to relive your HS years. Whereas most older people have moved on. If it's going to take place in a school setting, it should at least be college, the last stop for most people with a brain.
>Pandered to
It's less about that and being tired of the same shit recycled ad infinitum. It's also why I stopped reading shonen shit some years ago. It grows formulaic and predictable.
I'd even welcome a non-mainline game featuring an adult cast instead of LARPing as a teenager for 7475937th time in my JRPG.
Sounds like you are a minority of the business market, and by and large. Tough tiddies
>Sounds like you are a minority of the business market, and by and large
No shit?
The issue isnt whatever setting ATLUS wants their game, it’s that stinky gaijin think the company should answer to a secondary or tertiary market over the primary audience of otaku japs
Nearly all complaints about Persona always taking place in high school comes from the west. So let me ask you all this: When the frick has Atlus EVER given a flying frick what the west wants?
Next persona should skip a sensei option and go straight to an okaa san, and God me a possible obaa chan option
What is a college student other than a immature, still know nothing frickwit with a few more years under their belt?
What is a HS student, other than that same frickwit with even less experience? Lmfao.
I hate adult life tbh. I suck at my job and I can barely scrape by even with 2 of them. After this it's middle age then death. I wish life were a bit warmer.
homie just play normal SMT
it's a japanese game and japanese adults hate adulthood so it will never happen
>it's a japanese game and japanese adults hate adulthood so it will never happen
/thread
They are literally obsessed with "coming of age" stories, yet petrified of portraying any type of reality which may come after that path.
Because its a game for incel teenagers, not loser manchildren adults. They're not marketing to you and its only bevause you're autistic that you bought the game past 20.
True. I thought the anime art style was cool. But once I got cucked by the gym teacher, I turned it off. I tried to like it though, cuz le reddit and this website.
I don't care about westerners think
So for the people who so badly want a different setting, what are you actually expecting to change as a result of that? It seems like you just automatically assume that an older cast will improve whatever aspects of the writing you have an issue with.
That's why I don't get. The writing will still be heavy-handed JRPG garbage
>heavy handed jrpg garbage
I’m going to pull some popular western franchises out of my ass to illustrate a point
>fallout
War is bad but conflict is part of human nature and well always repeat the same mistakes
>god of war
Revenge is bad and self destructive also kratos has a shitty kid
>Spider-Man
A bloo bloo bloo boho for me
>halo
He’s pretty cool doesn’t afraid of anything
>tlou 2
Revenge is bad 2 electric boogaloo, except youre a lesbian this time who is an ungrateful c**t who rejects steak sandwiches
It’s an issue with vidya writing in general. All of the above are just as bad if not worse than most jrpg writing
>thing needs to abandon it's very successful niche, and appeal to ME
I guess it's because most people want to go back to HS, but you can't, so they play this game. Any dumb Black person can enroll in college, but HS is in the past once you're out of it.
Because Amerisharts are Black folk
>series explicitly about adolescence and all the initial confusion as an insecure teenager in high school trying to figure out your identity and how to navigate life with other people
>make it about not that
Nah. Identically copying Persona 3's system and making it into a strict formula to adhere to is what's actually holding Persona back and making it stale. Persona wasn't about going to school every day over and over before that. Just doing that for a fourth time but now it's in college would be trash that also doesn't even feel like Persona. Think up something new for a change and shake up the format. Have a story more like P1, P2, or even If... where there's more paranormal and occult shit going on interrupting daily life. Hashino was thinking about P5 having you backpacking or flying to different places before reusing that for P5S. Do something different like that for a mainline game.
No matter how big these games get, no Atlus game will ever have the budget for globetrotting adventures.
no dicky
Here's your mature Persona style rpg with an adult cast
Wait so the main cast is all adults outside of the "matrix"?
Not all of them but there's only a handful of teenagers
Primary demographic is middle schoolers (shounen/shoujo). Not adults.
It's worked well for them so far, and each one sells more than the last.
If screeching western journalists want something specific, it's always a good idea to do the opposite.
I don't care. I just want to caych pokeymans and do dungeons.
I agree
They can make it about a retirement home and I'd still buy it for the pogaymens. Hell, they can make it about kindergarteners and I'd still buy it for the pokimenz.
I don't want to frick some 19 year old HAG
Literally Catherine.
It would be a nice change of pace for sure, anyone saying it wouldn't be Persona anymore is moronic. It's much more reasonable than the world tour idea they had for P5 that got scrapped.
Because that's not what made the series sell.
Up until P5 got mainstream attention the whole selling point of the series, at least starting from when it got popular (P3), is to live out the chad lifestyle in a fictional nipponese high school that most NEETs or weeaboos will never experience. Plus the whole "needs to grow up" thing doesn't make sense. The point is to live out the fantasy life you wanted in the prime of your youth. And the japanese idea of that time period will always be associated with High School.
I get what you mean but that's kinda sad when you put it like that. I just imagine some fat frick in a dark room pretending the anime people are his friends becuase he wasted his youth playing those very same games.
Maybe the sentiment is true for westerners but for the japanese it's kind of a different story. Putting the bullying (not as common as people think but still very real) and the cutthroat expectations aside most of the high school experience is just people trying to do well and blaze through it so that they can get in to a good university fast. Usually only after that point is when they start to miss their High School years with what-ifs, or a few good moments during that time which gets compounded as their entire high school experience. This is why their culture romanticize the hell outta from the High School setting so much.
I guess my point is that yes for westerners someone who spends too much time playing these type of games can be seen as sad since there was a potential or chance for them to somewhat live out a life that they are emulating, sans the fantasy stuff of course. For the japanese, can you really call it sad if this is the only way to live out a life that didn't really existed in the first place?
Also, the way I figure, I don't actually believe that westerners clamoring for a Persona games that takes place in college would be satisfied with anything less than a game that accurately mimics WESTERN college life, because that's clearly what all of you have in mind. A game surrounding Japanese college students might just end up disappointing you people instead since it's probably not exactly what you have in mind.
>western college life
You mean the on of the last decade where the pansies break down and cry whenever things don’t go their way. The one where they think there shouldn’t be any negative repercussions if they fail to hold up their obligation to finish coursework and attend classes? Sounds like a boring vidya gaem. Let’s let the market decide
>you look upset joker
>you should go to the cry corner
>calendar event
>your eyes are wet and are stinging
>You decide to go home for the day
I know this is gonna be a westoid moment, but I really like the idea of a Persona game set in a workplace setting with themes about dealing with burnout, life stagnation, mental health, and the monotony of everyday life. Even in Japan I think people would be able to relate to that, but people don't play these games to remind themselves of shit they're trying to get away from.
Even if a game like that did exist, it wouldn't be a numbered title anyway. It'd be a one-ff spin-off like Strange Journey that was sell like ass in Japan and only attract the specific niche who wants it in the west because, let's be real, the majority of normal human beings don't actually want to play a game that's just as shitty as their own lives.
college is 3 hours study and 21 hours free time wtf is the point
You say that like it's a bad thing.
Hell I'd glady accept a spin off, Atlus is no stranger to doing one off side things. But yeah you're right it probably won't sell well.
Also, rather than make the game themselves, Atlus would just commission some no-name western indie dev studio to make it. And the game will be shit and that'd convince Atlus not to bother with that sort of thing ever again.
The reality of Atlus is that no one there actually gives a shit about western opinions, and subsequently, no one there would be particularly confident in making a game that's specifically designed to appeal to western fans. So offloading the idea to a western studio would be the most ideal way to do it. And since Atlus is known for being cheap as frick, they'd pick a studio that has a low price tag.
The seething is palpable, weebgay. You've gone from "realistically, it won't sell well", to "ATLUS should make sure it's shit" in the blink of an eye.
More people can relate to characters in a high school setting than to characters in a college setting or any other adult setting for that matter.
Why? It's a Japanese game mainly targeted at a Japanese audience and it seems to be very important for a Japanese consumer to be able to relate to the main character(s). Most people that are part of the target audience are in high school or have finished it while not everyone has gone to college or held down full-time job.
>inb4 high school not being compulsory
Middle school is and it's basically the same thing in terms of a setting at least.
It's funny because most of the people trying to fix Persona aren't Japanese so 90% of the cultural shit that Persona 5 referenced for its main plot(the actual cases where Japan came out hating the Tokyo Prosecutors offices) went over their heads. All the cult shit and DIET shit went over their heads too.
Then again they realize they don't get it which is why they keep demanding more localization.
Game journalists need to stfu
Japan is a culture of pedo and hebephiles. It'll bomb without catering to those demographics.
>P-persona needs to be set in High school! I-it won't sell, d-dude trust me....!
Shut the FRICK up.
Now compare that to Persona 5's sales.
Is this supposed to be an argument? You want me to compare it to the outlier that made Persona mainstream? Catherine itself sold more than any (non-rereleased) Persona game preceding 5, barring P1. So what the frick are you even trying to say?
Projecting moron can't even come up with an argument. Many such cases.
Same developer? Same director? Same aesthetic? The fact no one would have blinked at the game at all if they hadn't played P3 and P4 first? It was constantly compared to Persona on release, for very obvious reasons. But you are either disingenuous or moronic, so there is no point in going in further.
you don't know how japan works so you're a moron
>It was constantly compared to Persona on release, for very obvious reasons.
very surface level reasons, when people actually play both games the comparisons stop pretty quickly
>But you are either disingenuous or moronic, so there is no point in going in further.
get the frick over yourself homosexual, Catherine being used to justify a new persona centered around adults is a completely new phenomenon, when the game launched the only comparisons made were in how it presented itself(you know, surface level shit) because the games are otherwise completely different everywhere else, most importantly gameplay, tone, and story focus.
>This fricking moronic
The point is going completely over your head. Rub those two neurons together in that walnut sized nugget you call a "brain" and read. The reason Catherine sold exceptionally well for the niche entry it was, was BECAUSE PERSONA 3 AND PERSONA 4 fans flocking to the game in droves. It generated hype the moment ATLUS shilled Vincent in P3P. Is that so difficult to digest, you dribbling midwit? Persona fans are *willing* to try out a product featuring an adult cast. You can use whatever bullshit semantics to justify your position by moving the goal post, but it was "Persona for adults" to the average P3/P4 gay. It is proof the concept can sell, despite what brain dead frickheads like you try to say otherwise.
Reminder that this isn't actually Vincent. He's just a very similar proxy. Vincent doesn't have a mole and he has no reason at all to be in Port Island, at least not for an entire goddamn year.
NTA but you're moronic, Catherine and Persona are two very different games with two different genres. Comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges. Just accept that most fans who play nupersona like the high school setting, and that you're the one in the minority. Now I'm going to jack off to persona porn
Why even reply to me? You said nothing the "other" moron didn't already. Them being "different genres" isn't the point. It's the demographic who bought the fricking game, which is all that matters. AKA the Persona audience. Fricking READ.
You are an idiot if you think because of the Vincent cameo in P3P is the reason Catherine sold well
You are mentally moronic if you think the Persona audience had zero influence on Catherine's sales, and should stop trying to "debate" when your IQ is lower than the digits on a home thermostat.
Again unless you owned PSP to play P3P you wouldn't see the Vincent cameo in the game, hell i bought Catherine because the cover for the game looked interesting to me, i only knew it was an Atlus game because of the logo on the box.
>persona can work with adults
>how
>because some morons might have mistaken this game for that and it sold okay
Fantastic proof, a shame it has fricking nothing to do with the argument of it would actually work. Hypothetical niche demand for something is not proof that said thing would actually succeed on any level. Get a clue you fricking dunce.
>Fantastic proof, a shame it has fricking nothing to do with the argument of it would actually work.
Stop moving the goalpost, you braindead c**t. We are discussing the logistics of a modern Persona game featuring an adult cast being financially viable using Catherine's reception among Persona fans as a metric. Not how the *game design* would work - you disingenuous frick. Not that would even change the argument, considering you'd be doing the shit, just outside of highschool. I already told you to stop arguing with me, you're clearly a fricking idiot who can barely breathe by himself.
not that anon but i got catherine spacifically because the adult themes looked interesting to me on a video game and so did a couple friends i suggested the game to
i had never played persona at that point
There are exceptions to every rule, anon. I never even played P3P since FES remains the definitive release for me. I only found out about Vincent through the internet.
moron
>wanted a Catherine 2 or spiritual successor
>just get a half-baked re-release instead w/ an added girldude
Thanks Atlus.
I could have swore I saw the exact same 'article' but got Persona 5 when we had little to no details about it.
Persona is high school friend simulator, you get to date hot girls and go on beach trips and shit and have some dumb plot in the background. If they do it with actual adults that arent little anime b***hes who scream and throw themselves at MC then its not Persona anymore.
Because in Japan, life falls apart after high shcool.
P6 being set on a college would be cool, but I wouldn't mind another high-school setting.
3 was essentially a college setting already
Hell the actual school part of Persona is irrelevant. A college/work setting wouldn't change much. There's nothing really stopping them from addressing more mature themes or adult problems as it is. All it really does is make manchildren feel better about themselves
I don't mind old characters/teammates mixing in but I don't know what you think will actually change
Honestly what more can they do with the school setting that they haven't already done?
Persona is still a niche saga mostly for japaneses.
You're all b***hing over nothing. There is a 0% chance that the next game won't star high school students. This exact same argument happens constantly, but the reality is Atlus isn't listening.
I don't think anyone here has any doubts P6 will be anything other than high school shit. It's just a few spastics getting triggered at the very idea that *anyone* would even want to step outside of high school for a change of pace.
ok what if it takes place in a tiny rural village filled with old people and decaying abandoned buildings. Your old friendos have one last hurrah before the grave and they eventually meet the grim reaper and kill him with the power of friendship
For P6 I just want to see party characters actually doing shit in the world on different days like they have lives of their own. Also party members hooking up with each other if you don't date them. Just little stuff like that would add more immersion and possibly replay value like certain couples breaking up and having different dynamics in battle.
>wanting to deal with other couples shit
frick off
>He doesn't want his friendship simulator to have everyday real life shit in it when the game is already trying hard to mimic everyday real life
Not really, Rockstar already does shit like that. Just spawn the character in different days of the map depending on day of the week. Sometimes have to characters hanging out already doing shit. Have some unique flavor text interractions based on certain variable flags. P5 already has the ground work for this shit when they had stuff like Mokoto stalking you around Shibuya
just go out then, homosexual
I already do, it's a shame you don't want these games to do more when the groundwork is already there.
Fair enough it probably would be a lot, but it would add replay value and depth to the social mechanics. For people trying to do the harem route it would make them feel like they really earned it.
Most people don't actually play through games, especially games as long as P5, more than once. Twice tops. Only autists like us do that. It's not really worth the hassle.
friends and shit is fine and all but to deal with couples shit that isn't the MC is shit
nobody wants that
All it would be is just getting a different special scene where someone mentions something off hand "Oh bro I'm dating so and so" or "Dude should I talk to Ann? She's so hot!" and then maybe in battle just people taking hits for each other or getting tag team moves. I could see it being bad though if after a breakup you're in battle and your healer won't heal a specific guy and just says "frick you"
>yeah just get fricked up in a fight just to see a girl saying frick you to someone else
like I said, frick off
Lol fine dude, sorry for being a bit creative. Atlus is just gonna play it safe anyway.
oh no atlus is going to lose so much money just because a homosexual with a shitty opinion is not going to buy the game
poor atlus 🙁
Dude why are you so angry? It was just an idea relax.
I never said if they don't have that I wouldn't buy it, stop being such a turbo homosexual.
I fricked up the formatting on this, greentext is only for the first guy.
You want characters to form relationships or break up depending on the playthrough. No reasonable person would want to put themselves through that.
>2 party members have a bad breakup
>permanent debuffs when they're in battle together
lol
That sounds like way more of a pain in the ass than any dev in existence would be willing to put up with.
>name 1 (ONE) reason why persona 6 shouldn't take place in college
>It's just the same setting and same character designs as would have been in a highschool setting
How originu. Vary basudeh anon-san.
Because I don't like college girls, I like schoolgirls
It should have a cast of depressed wagies adults who've repressed their true personalities in order to fit into society and provide for themselves/their family
because a games "journalist" said it should
basically just do the opposite of whatever they say
>persona with adult casts
>work 12 hours a day
>got home too tired for demon's bullshit
Damn, real life is not like an RPG at all
>chad japanese writer
>writes high school stories because it's what he enjoys
>virgin western writer
>thinks the entire universe has to revolve around whatever his current life state is
high school stories because it's what he enjoys
No, he does it because his manga won't get serialized otherwise. And probably becaue that is all he is capable of writing to begin with.
>P6 is about neets who work their way back into society by defeating shadows and taking part time jobs
>The final boss is trying to earn tenure
kill white people
Nips have nostalgia for high school days, many people do (I do sometimes), its that time where you are old enough to experience everything (turning 18 gives you access to a lot of stuff) while still being somehow a carefree kid
Has anyone pointed out the contradiction that there's six persona games?
Because they would be adults, and adults bad
>adults bad
Correct
They tried it and it flopped
They've never made a Persona game set in college.
>The main selling point Persona
>Nah we don't need it anymore, Persona needs to reflect meeeeeeeeee
Why do these people get paid again?
Nepotism and to fill diversity quotas mostly.
It should take place at work place. You could get the same shit accomplished in a full time position. But that would require the writers to deal with issues in the work force which is scary to executives. Also it won't sell because a decent amount of the Persona jap fanbase unironically just want more under-aged girls.
it must be a coming of age story, you can do that with college, especially in a restrictive, traditionalist society like japan where you don't really assert yourself as an individual until mid to late 20s. You'll have to have zero chads, though. Has to feature nerdy / emotionally moronic / autismal characters too, no chad.
On a sidenote, is there even such a thing as chad in asian society?
>a thing as chad in asian society?
Bancho but that fad died in the 90's
It should take place in elementary school.
I'm very worried for Persona 6. The series got too popular too fast and with all the wrong types of people. Hopefully Atlus doesn't cave. P5's story was bad enough.
>The series got too popular too fast
The series started on the PSX, how did it get popular "fast"
Atlus has never cared about the west. Seriously, historically, they've never given a shit. Nearly all western relations are just kinda thrown to Atlus USA and they're just expect to do whatever they can with what they have. But Atlus USA has no say whatsoever in the development of games.
You know how these days, prolific and semi-prolific Japanese devs tend to have SOME degree of western presence? Whether it's showing up at E3 or just maintaining an English social media account? Atlus doesn't really do that. I mean they have a twitter but it's just run by American interns and shit.
P5s story requires more knowledge of Japan to understand than P3 or P4. Unless you're well versed in 90s Japanese criminal conspiracies, economic crimes, and 00 DIET scandals you probably didn't understand the majority of the game.
>adults shitty
Way to prove it.
>If you didn't know the meta inspiring this straightforward basic storytelling, you didn't understand the majority of the game.
What type of moronic take is this?
Will studying those fix the annoying characters, bad pacing, weak S.Links, poor group dynamic, cringy capeshit gimmick, and lack of emotional poignancy compared to previous entries?
Why are these homosexuals whining about Persona being in college again?
They got their "inclusive" homosexual college persona game in the absolute state of play. Made by gaijin too so you don't have any of that "icky Japanese" stuff.
Japan has always heavily romanticized high school. It's not just in Persona or romcom or shonen. High school is always treated with nostalgia, it's always where someone's best and worst memories are. When you read an interview with someone and they talk about their past, chances are they'll bring up high school. In Japan, nostalgia and high school just go hand in hand.
Meanwhile, college isn't really used in much of anything. There are very few stories in Japan about college. It's rarely used as a backdrop. Relatively few adults really talk about it. There's no romanticism, no reverence, no happy memories, bittersweet memories, painful memories.
I mean think about it, how many Japanese shows, books or games take place in college or at least star college students? I can think of a few, like Ah My Goddess, but that's it. I considered Love Hina, but then I recalled that that's a series about a bunch of high school graduates trying to get into college and not actual college students. In fact, I vaguely recall the story ending once they got in. Like for every story that involves college in some capacity, there are a thousand stories about high school, or feature some degree of nostalgia or reverence towards high school, or a revenge story where you go back in time to your high school years, or just ANYTHING involving high school. It's always high school.
I was much happier in college than high school but if I could go back I would want to be in high school again
Makes sense. Going back in time to college wouldn't be as useful as going back to high school. High school is where you can most directly influence your future. In college, if you haven't already decided on what you're doing, you've probably already fricked up.
Agreed. I was 16 when persona 5 came out. Now I'm 21. A persona set during college would be crazy good.
People always want the games and shit they like to grow up with them, but the real question is: Why don't you just move on?
College is too open-ended for Persona. The rigid schedule and time management define the flow of the game. Nobody cares if you skip class in college.
An office setting or school staff as a young teacher would fit better if you wanted to go that route.
>reach rank 10 with female coworker s.link
>ask her on a date
>she goes to HR and you get fired
>game over
that doesn't happen in anime and if it does its in a hentai where she gets raped afterwards
>Japanese college
>open ended
That shit is restrictive and oppressive as frick, I'm pretty sure it would be INFINITELY harder to make an excuse for a Japanese college age person to have time to just socialize let alone have wacky adventures than for a high school student
Because its fricking stupid and the high school setting is gayshit too. Just have a young dude in a office job that has to attend meetings and needs to know his shit and be social with his colleagues. School settings of any kind are fricking garbage that morons eat up
The weakest part of P5 isn't the setting but the writing. If the writing is good no one would give a damn about the setting, changing the setting doesn't magically improve the writing.
In Japan, the greater narrative is that "children are the future". In the west, youth is generally something to be resented. God knows everyone who browses Ganker probably hates kids.
I would actually love a college age persona game and shit, but I Japan's high school obsession is too strong because that's the only time in the average Japanese person gets a modicum of personal freedom whilst having the mental faculties to kinda use it
>Protagonist goes to a technical college
>Person who never went to a technical college: "I can't relate to this. This isn't what I wanted."
>Protagonist works as a doctor's assistant
>Web journalist: "What the frick, I can't relate to this!"
>protagonist makes friends in high school and joins clubs and goes on dates
I can't relate to this either
Are you a loser? Even the worse oddballs had had hobby and first love in school times.
I've never had a girl be romantically interested in me in my entire life.
How is that possible? Not even one ugly monster with birth defect? It's hard to believe a claim like that.
On this note unlike Highscool which is something everyone is forced into college is usually something one chooses and specializes in, meaning the protagonist would have to be an actual character instead of a blankslate self insert, people liked Catherine because of Vincent's Character he wasn't a blank slate altho you can heavily effect his development.
A college age persona could be persona cause you would need a well defined character as it's protagonist, I would still love a game like this but it might need a different title to seperate it from persona expectations or even keep persona but forgo a number and put another title to signify it as a spin off
I agree tho
Persona gives off a lot of pedo vibes, especially when you consider that a lot of men age 22+ are playing it and being attracted to the girls
Yuck
Core audience is all escapist-weebs, so any age and responsibility added to the characters will severely lower sales from them. Like making a furry or cartoon game about real humans.
In other words they should go for it.
The reality is that a pathetic sad-sack wagecuck or some loser who goes to a community college without even a decided major wouldn't have the fate of the world on his shoulders. Someone like that would be a minor S.Link at best. If they're a Persona User, they'd just be the Magician or Chariot.
>The reality is that a pathetic sad-sack wagecuck or some loser who goes to a community college without even a decided major wouldn't have the fate of the world on his shoulders
You know that really really fits the whole story trope of someone completely mundane and unimportant ends up getting trusted into the world of the fantastical and ends up super important in actuality which is often used in story telling to get the average man hyped up/fantasize about your story
Maybe, but the fact that Personas are heavily dependent on an individual's potential as a person kinda puts a damper on that. Someone with a powerful Persona is probably an exceptional individual to some extent, or at the very least has the willpower and drive to not become a total worthless deadbeat loser. And someone with the Wild Card has the infinite potential to go wherever he wants. People shit on Junpei, but he's actually going to college and is maintaining a positive influence on the children in his community by working part-time as a little league coach. That's a lot better than some useless wagecuck who can barely make ends meet.
Well the protagonist of Persona is always some kinda do-anything ubermensch who easily succeeds at everything he tried. Even Tatsuya was SO charismatic and handsome that a magazine company tried to make an article about him. So for the protagonist of a Persona game, anything less than an Ivy League prodigy would probably not work.
The reality is most anyone younger and dumber than that certainly wouldn't either, but that didn't stop fiction from making up reasons why they do. I don't see why college students would be exempt from that either, unless Atlus just suddenly became that creatively bankrupt.
>exhausted the potential of high school format
Literally half of the anime is in high school. The setting of the school is perfect for media because it allows diverse cast of characters to be forced to share the entire day together even if they hate each other
>Inb4 but you can have uni or worklace
No. It would become homogenized. In office there are only office workers. In art school, there we only artists. That would be too boring. In highschool, you can have stupid fat punk sitting next to smart guy from rich family. The possibility is endless.
If they put a black person in persona 6 I will never play it
If they put a sexy brown girl in Persona I’ll buy another copy to offset yours.
P5 was formulaic enough. It took Persona 4 coming to PC for everyone to forget about 5.
Wada is going to be in charge of 6 and its goingn to suck since all he can do is try to copy the formula.
It'd be funny since P5 plot is muh le adults bad. It would make an interesting contrast if next game maincast is replete of adults
That said, everyone knows is not what Atlus has in mind, but I do expect is going to be out of Japan, at least
It should stop being about school in general
I get that it's an incredibly convenient way to regiment time and allow a place for a lot of your main characters to meet and hang out at, but at this point I really think Persona needs to up the quality of the narrative and go for something more ambitious, like what Persona 1 and 2 did. Keep it about high schoolers if you want, but I don't need yet another 100 hour long game where I show up to a new school and slowly make new friends while traveling to a shadowy realm
There's no reason to.
They must have a hard time coming up with stuff in the HS setting that they didn't do yet.
I thought the whole point of the series is high school wish fulfilment LARPING for loser weabs and also a pinch of video games sprinkled on top. Why would you age it up?
Because Americans want to ruin everything.
Persona will continue to take place with a high school cast because Japanese Salarymen crave that "high point" in life. The ripe age where you're starting to gain your freedom and can do a whole lot of things, where all your potential can grow and flourish, and make unforgettable experiences that even if fleeting, will forever define who you are as a person.
...Until you, like 99% of other Japanese men, get put in the office for grueling nonstop work shifts, a family you don't even see, an unhappy wife, and, if you managed to defy declining birth rates, a child who will never truly know their father's love.
as someone whos in their mid 20s persona 5 got so goddamn grating, even though Im a zoomer I can't stand my own generation
that article's writer is moronic. how do you not realize that game devs will not change popular series because that's how they make money? seriously, how do they not realize?
He probably watched a youtube video about persona 5 and determined he was now qualified to comment on the series as a whole
you don't?
what?
nevermind 🙁
>how do you not realize that game devs will not change popular series because that's how they make money?
2042.
Why do people on here pretend to be experts on Japan?
Everything ITT reads like a generalization stolen from a yt vid or an article somewhere.
>Everything ITT reads like a generalization stolen from a yt vid or an article somewhere.
so accurate then?
So you live in Japan and have lived there for years, right?
Tell us what it's ACTUALLY like. Put the "le salaryman" meme to rest. Explain the full picture, the best a foreigner can because Japan's inherent xenophobia will ensure you don't get the true experience.
That's the thing, I don't claim to know anything. I do however detest the fact that people love to claim shit about Japan as if they do live there or are experts.
Doesn't matter if its shit like "it's a right wing paradise" or "they hate their adult lives" etc.
I also find it strange why people even give a shit about the place.
You don't have to know about Japan to understand that they fricking love high school. I don't watch much anime anymore but all I need to do is take a quick glance at Ganker to know that most of the shows this season stars high school students.
Yeah and I guess I could say the same about America and black culture. But I don't go around claiming shit like their entire culture revolves around Black folk or whatever or that it's a manifestation of white guilt. I wouldn't claim shit like the only reason a lot of Jap media features high school characters is because they hate their adult lives either
I dunno about any of that, but what I can say is that Japan really fricking loves high school. And because they love high school so much, Persona 6, 7 and 8 are all probably gonna be about high school too.
My highschool life was ruined thanks to anime and jrpgs. Now I'm 27 years old with a nice detective job. My boss likes to hit me for being a doofus but it's okay, I get to see his little kid while I slurp some ramen at their place.
I love it when these journos have nothing better to do but try to tempt hubris by saying "i can do better than japan".
The next one is still gonna be high school, manchild homosexuals who want the series to age with them can go to hell.
>I'M TOO OLD TO BE IN HIGH SCHOOL, THE SERIES NEED TO PANDER TO ME
How quickly did these people forget about Persona College aged protags edition plus gay romance?
It's not a japanese game so people don't care
But they want a college game based off of American college precisely what they'd want, plus it gives them homosexualry like they've been demanding. It's everything they asked for and more.
Anyone ever notice how Japanese media doesn't seem to care about college at all? Like take Kamen Rider for a second. There have been, like, what, thirty-odd shows over the course of fifty years or something? As far as I can recall, only one of them featured a then-current college student despite the overwhelming majority of protagonists being approximately college age. The first Kamen Rider was a university student (although he never attended classes in the show). Subsequently, most Riders are either already graduated from college or simply don't move onto higher education after high school. Same with Super Sentai. I can't recall a single Super Sentai character actively going to college, even though nearly all of them are in their early 20s at oldest.
gee anon I wonder why
It's something they have to do, but I guess they have no lingering attachment to it. What kind of post secondary education do you even need to become a office drone?
It can't be something that takes too many years.
I think the issue lies in the fact that most key players in the entertainment industry probably didn't go to "normal" colleges. Like Japan has all these technical colleges made for game devs and animators and shit, so that's what their experiences were like. They don't know what it's like to go to a "normal" college, whatever that means.
There's some pretty damn good manga and anime that take place in college.
Genshiken, Hachimitsu to Clover, and Tatami Galaxy all come to mind.
Really you can find anything you want if you look hard enough. The only reason why there's a lot of stuff with HS settings is that shounen manga and games like Persona are LITERALLY marketed towards japanese kids of highschool age.
Yeah, but for every college story there are a hundred high school stories. College stories seem pretty niche.
Sooner or later he'll realize he's not the target audience anymore
>anymore
he never was
The Japanese won’t buy if it is
Because highschool in Japan is college already complete with entrance exams. The fact that west is forever infantalized shouldn’t mean Japan should have to adjust.
Japan makes you grind your best years and if you make it to the best college you're set for life and you can coast until retirement, in the west it doesn't matter, you don't know shit until you actually start working for real.
Name one reason why it should that isn't already applied to the standard formula anyway?
They should just switch to middle schooler uooooohhhh
>set in middle school
>protagonist is a chunni that thinks an organization is planning to control the world and he has secret powers to stop it
>he's actually right
>Game ends with a fight against the organization where he removes the bandage on his right arm and becomes God
>Thanks his friends for trusting in him and being there to support him on his quest.
>Ascends to a higher plane of existence having saved the world
>The other members wonder if it was just a dream but are surprised how fast time as gone forward.
LITERALLY what would change if persona were set in college rather than highschool?
All the homosexual westerners on twitter won't be "uncomfy" at finding the characters attractive because they aren't under 18 anymore. That is literally it.
Sex and drinking. No curfew bs, all the freedom of an adult before becoming a wagecuck.
Japan cant drink until 20
So college would still be no drinking.
>Implying sex would change
People in their 20s are still in college anon...
If its late college then japan would ape out of they werent studying.
Notice how in persona games shit doesnt happen during exams?
If they did a college age persona they would be 18-19 and still wouldnt be drinking.
Hell even if they did add drinking, it wouldnt change shit
Exactly. I must be missing something, why would it even be that big of a deal if the MC would still attend classes, join clubs, hook up with girls etc. Literally the only difference I can think of is being able to legaly drink and drive which seems insignificant.
Just have the jobs centered around high school, like doing research for a teen magazine or something, so it's still familiar territory.
>working for a teen magazine
Maya is a miracle for actually liking a job like that.
She's very much a woman child, why else is she hanging out with a bunch of kids?
Maya will always be best girl
>5 expansive games
We've had 6 Persona games to date.
that's a fricking dumb take, persona is made for losers who missed out on high school pussy
I think real life as a bachelor working, doing projects for work, dating could make a good premise for Persona.
>STOP CARING ABOUT HIGHSCHOOL, JAPAN!!! STOP CARING ABOUT YOUTH!!
Good fricking luck with that
there's something incredibly ironic about adults demanding a game for highschoolers pander to them instead
like it's not enough for a game to be about the highschool life you didn't get, they need it to be about the adult life they don't have
wdym? Persona is aimed at "adults" that can't be in High School anymore.
>aimed at adults
>rated CERO C
Black person shit's not even rated CERO D it's made for highschoolers first and foremost and older audiences second. Which still makes it sad because it's the secondary audience demanding change because of how sad and pathetic their lives are not the primary audience.
It's pretty normal in the west. It's why every superhero movie is primarily made for an adult audience because children don't deserve superheroes.
Oh right, my mistake. The TERTIARY audience are demanding changes because they're used to getting their way in their own media.
The average American zoomer/millennial "man" is a mental manchild which is hilarious why they would want the group to "grow up"
Capeshit movies have the worst dialogue of all time catered to the rising illiterate of murica. This is why "marvel quips" are being used a pejorative
Dumbass journalist probably never even played Persona 2.
Atlus already tried the adult format, it didnt fricking work. High school setting is what made Persona the most popular jrpg series nowadays.
>Atlus already tried the adult format, it didnt fricking work.
moron
>college
Nice try but anyone knows what they refer to when saying "grow up".
Just admit youre in college and cant self insert as a high school anymore. Alternatively to the office life posters just admit that youre working a deadend 9 to 5 and want to be able to self insert.
tl:dr self insert gays frick off
The game is meant for total fricking losers, 99% of high school kids weren't the cool, hot or popular kids.
all these pedoes SEETHING at the notion of true freedom in a purseowner game
>"true freedom"
You do realize that video games are inherently limited in their mechanics so it's not as if the world will magically open up just because the protagonist is an adult. You're still gonna have two "free" segments per in-game day, you're still gonna have to actually sleep at night to synchronize your schedule with S.Links and mechanically, nothing's really liable to change.
That's up to the devs to decide. I have no faith in Atlus.
In P5 you never take a whole month off to just study either so ???
It's a video game. Unless you want some kinda open world Persona game, "true" freedom doesn't exist.
>open world
No, just a better experience. Atlus can't do open world for shit.
For Americans freedom just means more nog worship And donating $3 billion a year to Israel and $40 billion a year to Ukraine
Nah it's Japan, they need to be 20-60 year old salary workers.
P3 protag is dead.
God I want P5 Arena just so we can see the aged up Investigation Team
Also I want Maya and Tatsuya to be in the game but Atlus is autistic and demands every spinoff be canon
>shinjiro
>31
>he didn't play P3 portapotty where you can save him by having sex with him
Still dies from Persona AIDs within a year in that case. Dude is fricked no matter what.
is that the same for everyone in Strega?
Yeah, they say they don't have long, and Takaya actually seems to die from it when he crawls up after you beat Nyx. It's stated Chidori is cured if she gets revived though, so she'd still be alive if that's canon.
junpei got lucky, bros
chidori is such a qt
He doesn't have long to live even then. A year at best, if even that.
>>he didn't play P3 portapotty
Nobody respectable did.
Well now everyone is going to play it due to Atlus and all the kiddos of the world are going to say "wow P3 is shit!!!" and ruin all discussion forever.
What about me
About time nanako reappear as playable character in a new persona game
The Persona dev team shouldn't even read shitty western articles on what it should be. These stupid fricks didn't give a single frick about Persona until it was already popular, and now they think they're experts on what it should and shouldn't be. God, I hate to be that guy, but games becoming popular/getting noticed these days is basically a fricking death sentence for a series of games.
>games becoming popular/getting noticed these days is basically a fricking death sentence for a series of games.
correct
who is the target audience for Persona?
my dick
looks like a diaper
It should take place in elementary school and contain hot e-girls.
it would be kino and filter all the homosexuals and troons around here
>This series about highschool needs to stop being about highschool.
nah
Why stop there coward.
PERSONA 6 NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE IN A RETIREMENT COMMUNITY
>set in 2100
>all the persona users have one last adventure
could be kino
unironically I'd buy an RPG where all the party members are grannies and grandpas. Sounds unique and silly
Japan has to put everything in high school because after high school you either work 20 hours a day or you study 20 hours a day. You can't have gay adventures in this setting.
It's cute watching you guys get angry about an adult Persona now that a journalist said he wanted it, as if you guys weren't asking for that every Persona thread before this.
no I didn't
I'm not a homosexual that needs to self insert in every game otherwise I can't enjoy it
>no Persona game based around a baseball team
>no Persona game based around racing drivers
We need Kaneko back
the reason all japanese fantasy takes place before adulthood is that japanese culture is based on the idea that when you become an adult you lose your soul. highschool is literally the last time you get to be alive