From a design standpoint, there's lots of reasons, but my favorite is that her design philosophy appears to not have been "pick a theme type and go for it" but instead to sort of act as a counterpoint to your typical rival battle.
Every time before Cynthia we had a champion (or equivalent) who used a variety of types, it was all very simple. They used the classic fire-water-grass almost out of obligation, had maybe a curveball or two in their back pocket (electric or psychic type, for instance), and just tried to have a balanced team. This is how rival battles were typically designed, and the variety champions from before Cynthia were all rivals (or supposed to represent a typical player character, for Red).
Cynthia was the first time a variety champion focused on the types that weren't "simple". She leads with a ghost/dark Pokemon that's treated only a step below a mythical. Her ace- and ONLY her ace- is a dragon. All of them have significant moveset variety.
She was sort of a sucker punch for anyone who was gearing up for a typical champion. Then she reappeared as a near-literal jumpscare in gen 5, and put the fear of god into players a second time.
Now, what about the future "variety champions"? Well, to put it simply, you only have one chance to make a first impression. Cynthia was the first to try this out, so of course she's remembered most fondly. (There's subjective flaws in each future variety champion's team that bother me enough that I'd put Cynthia's objective power level higher than theirs too.)
tl;dr: Right place, right time to be the first champion with a varied AND exotic team.
>beach town in gen 5 >"cynthia has a vacation home here!" from some random npc >huh, cute worldbuilding >come back after the elite four >walk into a completely innocuous house
Cynthia was the only champion they could possibly have done this with and they nailed it
That moment is such a piss take on Red in Gen II it becomes brilliant. Your superboss isn't in some super telegraphed cave in an endgame area, she's in a house you're bound to bumble into as you explore Eastern Unova and her team will push your shit in at the natural level you meet her at. She was the perfect way for B/W's postgame to say " you aren't even CLOSE to done yet."
This wily c**t from Pokemon Legends Arceus. Legitimately fun boss fight too. Literally can't believe Pokemon Legends and Scarlet/Violet were produced by the same fricking dev studio.
I'm not a huge Pokémon gay since I barely grew up with the games, but can someone tell me why does everyone freak out about walking into Cynthia house in Final Fantasy 7 or Kingdom Hearts terms?
In theory yes. But the fact remains that in a game that usually signposted anything significantly difficult, even having a close brush with Cynthia entirely out of nowhere was comparatively heartstopping.
are there any other good hacks of platinum? ive grown exhausted of renegade platinum and have little to no desire to continue playing when i just have to waste time and build custom teams for specific encounters
it sounds cool on paper but its just a huge timesink spent grinding and levelling pokemon for that encounter
That's why I said wait for 3.0 since that's when they'll start adding gen5+ pokemon and content. Maybe it'll me stuck in dev hell forever but would be promising if it does come out.
The difficulty is the same as Renegade Plat but there are more qol, modern changes, and various options for difficulty but it still can occasionally be challenging for a casual playthrough if you have all the casual options off.
https://luminescent.team/docs/features
i dont mean to be that guy, but drayano hacks (such as renegade platinum) arent smogon autism tier in terms of difficulty at all. if you want to see real autism try radical red
maybe not smogon but once you hit gardenia she's got stupid strong pokemon with lots of good items, even leftovers
it feels like many of the changes (move replacement and addition of fairy type) are there to just make it more frustrating to play against rather than give the player fun options. so many pokemon have dazzling gleam that it's like it doesnt WANT you to use specific pokemon because it always has prio
>ive grown exhausted of renegade platinum and have little to no desire to continue playing when i just have to waste time and build custom teams for specific encounters
since when do you have to build custom teams for stuff? a generalist team with a solid fire water grass core made up of starters like tortera + infernape + feraligatr is more than enough to hose most of the fights. it's really only fantina that's kinda scary but even then they made luxray part dark so you get STAB on crunch.
lol dicksucking? All I said was Renegade Platinum really isn't that difficult, not with the options the game gives you. Most romhacks are about as difficult as it, if not more so. You're gonna have a hard time finding anything if that is too much for you.
It is great, but also unfortunately I think it's the last great arc in the series. The main cast have a great dynamic, and I especially like how competent and threatening Team Galactic--especially Cyrus--was portrayed.
DPP really wasn't that great. It had neat ideas for the story and lore but the execution was off. Better than the 3DS games and Sword/Shield, but HGSS was the real noteworthy part of Gen 4. Platinum is notably better than D/P though if you do decide to go back it, like, way more than Crystal and Emerald were, because those were upgrades of already good games.
Still mad that they removed this for the Rival in HGSS. To me that showed that he finally overcame his weakness that Lance chastised him about when they first met.
>hear a lot about how Volo is really hard >hear about how it's because of Cynthia >play PLA >get to Volo >beat him on my first try
Overrated, Ultra Necrozma was harder.
I feel like the nature of PLA means how hard someone will find Volo will vary a lot based on how much they fricked around on the way there. I spend so much time catching 'em all that my team was level 100 with maxed out stats by the time I fought him and I just destroyed him, but it seems like many people go in underleveled and unoptimized.
It makes more sense if you play the game. Personally I think SV was good and had a competent story this time, but I understand if Gen 6 onwards (or even Gen 5 if you're on that side of the coin) killed your faith in the series. I skipped the other Switch games too before giving SV a try.
>They actually outdid Diantha >Geeta even shows up more times in the story too if I recall
i always found alder more disappointing, especially since he fricking loses to N on screen
I actually really liked that. I always thought that most Pokemon narratives were anticlimactic by ending on the Elite Four, when you already stop some a huge organization or world ending disaster. Seeing your rival beat the League/Champ before you (a good callback to Gen 1) made the stakes higher. Most people complained about "why didn't the Elite Four/Champion help" for the games, and well, this game did just that, and even then it showed that it was a struggle to stop them.
Haven't played SV, it's hard to believe they outdid the XY one in that regard. But it's Gamefreak so I believe it.
It's kind of like an Alder situation where Geeta's not really a final boss, but even more so since the League is also not really the endgame.
This is the actual "champion" of SV and this team is probably the hardest of any Pokemon games since Paradox Pokemon are effectively all legendary/pseudo level.
Not only that but they use several Pokemon that don't unlock until after the battle and have intentionally bizarre type combos so playing blind you almost certainly won't know their weaknesses. Honestly, I thought the P3 battle was up there with Red and Cynthia.
I mean, typically the champion is the final boss, so I get people essentially just calling the final boss the actual champion. However, the game very heavily pushes Geeta as the champion of champions, so I'm not going to let the game get away with just how shit she was by just pushing the title onto the professor, or even Nemona instead.
I steamrolled that fight on violet while underleveled. The only pokemon that gave me a hard time was Iron Hands.
I had a much harder time battling post-league Nemona, I actually had to use revives and potions against her.
Was it just me having a hard time against her? I never see people bring her up when talking about difficult fights in pokemon.
God, S/V's designs were so fricking atrocious. Sw/Sh's were decent, I can't really remember having gripes about any of the characters in that game but then suddenly majority of S/V is just "Jesus Christ on ice, why would you draw that"-tier.
She gets a lot of buildup as this expert, a stern professional who can take on team Galactic single-handedly, and that people are in awe of her. I feel like the piano theme fits that concept and is meant to make her additionally imposing for the player
steven's team is toothless. the only legitimate threat he puts up is metagross. the rest are all either too slow, have easily exploitable weaknesses, or lack offensive pressure. the only real benefit is that you can't just solo sweep his team with a starter unless you're massively overleveled.
But Cynthia's team DOES have a theme, anon. She's designed as a mirror to rival battles. >exactly one of her team members can have its base form acquired on an ordinary route >all five others are far out of the way and/or only accessible to players through in-game gifts >ghost/dark lead, dragon ace, no duplicate types in between >half the types on her team are "exotic" rather than the customary single electric or psychic type
there's absolutely no reason outside of nostalgia but my favorite elite 4 member has always been sidney. just reading thsi is always so fricking cool. pumps me up
Welcome, challenger! I'm Sidney of the Elite Four. I like that look you're giving me. I guess you'll give me a good match. That's good! Looking real good! All right! You and me, let's enjoy a battle that can only be staged here in the Pokémon League!
>hardest champion
>her ancestor is also the hardest final boss
how do they do it
She fricks little girls.
And beat up little boys
sauce
SAUCE
[Mackgee] Pokemon Heroines
mommy
giwtwm
From a design standpoint, there's lots of reasons, but my favorite is that her design philosophy appears to not have been "pick a theme type and go for it" but instead to sort of act as a counterpoint to your typical rival battle.
Every time before Cynthia we had a champion (or equivalent) who used a variety of types, it was all very simple. They used the classic fire-water-grass almost out of obligation, had maybe a curveball or two in their back pocket (electric or psychic type, for instance), and just tried to have a balanced team. This is how rival battles were typically designed, and the variety champions from before Cynthia were all rivals (or supposed to represent a typical player character, for Red).
Cynthia was the first time a variety champion focused on the types that weren't "simple". She leads with a ghost/dark Pokemon that's treated only a step below a mythical. Her ace- and ONLY her ace- is a dragon. All of them have significant moveset variety.
She was sort of a sucker punch for anyone who was gearing up for a typical champion. Then she reappeared as a near-literal jumpscare in gen 5, and put the fear of god into players a second time.
Now, what about the future "variety champions"? Well, to put it simply, you only have one chance to make a first impression. Cynthia was the first to try this out, so of course she's remembered most fondly. (There's subjective flaws in each future variety champion's team that bother me enough that I'd put Cynthia's objective power level higher than theirs too.)
tl;dr: Right place, right time to be the first champion with a varied AND exotic team.
>beach town in gen 5
>"cynthia has a vacation home here!" from some random npc
>huh, cute worldbuilding
>come back after the elite four
>walk into a completely innocuous house
Cynthia was the only champion they could possibly have done this with and they nailed it
That moment is such a piss take on Red in Gen II it becomes brilliant. Your superboss isn't in some super telegraphed cave in an endgame area, she's in a house you're bound to bumble into as you explore Eastern Unova and her team will push your shit in at the natural level you meet her at. She was the perfect way for B/W's postgame to say " you aren't even CLOSE to done yet."
that shit had me poopin my pants
I shitted in fear. That piano haunts my nightmares.
wonder if the physical/special split had any impact on the design of her team composition
Who’s her ancestor
This wily c**t from Pokemon Legends Arceus. Legitimately fun boss fight too. Literally can't believe Pokemon Legends and Scarlet/Violet were produced by the same fricking dev studio.
Both are shit, why are you surprised?
>actually fell for the bait thinking this is the ancestor and not the granny
they obviously shagged later on
I don't get why people say Volo is the biggest betrayal when Dusknoir exists.
You're talking to people who have never experienced that kino. They think PLA is a good game.
do people say that? I mostly just see others saying he's a cool boss
Cynthia is just Rosalina but as a Pokémon character
*Giga Impacts the Bronzong 4 times in a row*
This seriously. She is insanely overrated, the Gen 4 AI picks moves completely at random
I'm not a huge Pokémon gay since I barely grew up with the games, but can someone tell me why does everyone freak out about walking into Cynthia house in Final Fantasy 7 or Kingdom Hearts terms?
>Kingdom Hearts terms
imagine in KH2FM if your first data Org member fight was just a random encounter in post game.
You can say No to her its not the same
In theory yes. But the fact remains that in a game that usually signposted anything significantly difficult, even having a close brush with Cynthia entirely out of nowhere was comparatively heartstopping.
you walk into a random house and you get ambushed by emerald weapon
Imagine walking into some house in Hollow Bastion and having to fight Sephiroth
It's like talking to the rug in kh1 and being transported to fight Kurt Zisa
FRICK
The piano music is her pre-battle theme.
Actually the piano music has ended by this point.
You may have posted in the wrong thread but I want you to know that these barely even look different and you should stop being a pedantic frick.
are there any other good hacks of platinum? ive grown exhausted of renegade platinum and have little to no desire to continue playing when i just have to waste time and build custom teams for specific encounters
it sounds cool on paper but its just a huge timesink spent grinding and levelling pokemon for that encounter
wait until Luminescent 3.0 comes out
>based heavily on renegade platinum
im just looking for a step up in dificulty, not having to resort to smogon autism
That's why I said wait for 3.0 since that's when they'll start adding gen5+ pokemon and content. Maybe it'll me stuck in dev hell forever but would be promising if it does come out.
if you've played it how would you rate its difficulty?
The difficulty is the same as Renegade Plat but there are more qol, modern changes, and various options for difficulty but it still can occasionally be challenging for a casual playthrough if you have all the casual options off.
https://luminescent.team/docs/features
i dont mean to be that guy, but drayano hacks (such as renegade platinum) arent smogon autism tier in terms of difficulty at all. if you want to see real autism try radical red
maybe not smogon but once you hit gardenia she's got stupid strong pokemon with lots of good items, even leftovers
it feels like many of the changes (move replacement and addition of fairy type) are there to just make it more frustrating to play against rather than give the player fun options. so many pokemon have dazzling gleam that it's like it doesnt WANT you to use specific pokemon because it always has prio
thats some of the other shit i hate in it
Unfortunately gen 4 romhacking hasn't been cracked like gen 3 , for now renegade platinum is the best one
Renegade platinum is easy as frick
This
Difficulty scales depending on how willing you are to use high-BST mons or build counter-teams.
>ive grown exhausted of renegade platinum and have little to no desire to continue playing when i just have to waste time and build custom teams for specific encounters
since when do you have to build custom teams for stuff? a generalist team with a solid fire water grass core made up of starters like tortera + infernape + feraligatr is more than enough to hose most of the fights. it's really only fantina that's kinda scary but even then they made luxray part dark so you get STAB on crunch.
there's only one gen 4 decomp I've actually seen, but it was for HGSS and was made as a fricking trash nuzlocke focused hack
>filtered by drayano's easiest hack
Unironically no hope for you
nta, but sucking romhacker dick is only one step removed ecelebgayging. poor form, anon.
Imagine being butthurt over easiest romhack
lmao moronic newbie.
Cry more, homosexual
>moron doesn't even know what nta is
>keeps digging himself deeper
lurk moar, moron.
>schizo attempts to accuse others to cope with being a moron
Get real, homosexual
lol dicksucking? All I said was Renegade Platinum really isn't that difficult, not with the options the game gives you. Most romhacks are about as difficult as it, if not more so. You're gonna have a hard time finding anything if that is too much for you.
She kneels to Leon.
Cynthiagays are by far the most insufferable bunch of pokemon autists you could ever run into.
Go back to your containment board, gay
I just finished reading the manga's DP arc today. Why did no one tell me it was pure kino?
who's hole are they talking about?
Giratina's
You know now that I think about it, Dialga and Palkia have very easy to choke necks
Regigigas my beloved
>Regigigas taking a while to start dancing
My fricking sides.
It is great, but also unfortunately I think it's the last great arc in the series. The main cast have a great dynamic, and I especially like how competent and threatening Team Galactic--especially Cyrus--was portrayed.
A serious warning: stop reading after BW arc.
>...
>DUN DUN DUN DUNDUUUN DUDUN DUDUN DUDUN DUDUDUUUNN DUDUN
She unironically filtered me in my NFE run of brilliant diamond
Aipom and light ball pikachu can NOT stand up to her garchomp
looking back I don't think I even beat gen 4. I got bored because I was like 6 badges in but my team was still full of shitmons. I guess I missed out.
DPP really wasn't that great. It had neat ideas for the story and lore but the execution was off. Better than the 3DS games and Sword/Shield, but HGSS was the real noteworthy part of Gen 4. Platinum is notably better than D/P though if you do decide to go back it, like, way more than Crystal and Emerald were, because those were upgrades of already good games.
So, why do RSE and DPP(+ their remakes) the only games that gave an encounter theme to the Elite 4 and champion anyway?
>still the best champion theme
How did they do it?
Still mad that they removed this for the Rival in HGSS. To me that showed that he finally overcame his weakness that Lance chastised him about when they first met.
RATE MY VOLT WHITE 2 TEAM
I'M DOING GROUND/ FLYING DUOTYPE
STILL GOT A FEW ROUTES UNTIL I CAN GET MY GLIGAR
>hear a lot about how Volo is really hard
>hear about how it's because of Cynthia
>play PLA
>get to Volo
>beat him on my first try
Overrated, Ultra Necrozma was harder.
I feel like the nature of PLA means how hard someone will find Volo will vary a lot based on how much they fricked around on the way there. I spend so much time catching 'em all that my team was level 100 with maxed out stats by the time I fought him and I just destroyed him, but it seems like many people go in underleveled and unoptimized.
>Volo is really hard
The game is aimed at kids, of course it's going to be easy for an adult
not as hard as zoomers make her out to be in either game, although BDSP's rematch was quite decent.
>Is the most underwhelming champion in your path
i always found alder more disappointing, especially since he fricking loses to N on screen
Haven't played SV, it's hard to believe they outdid the XY one in that regard. But it's Gamefreak so I believe it.
It makes more sense if you play the game. Personally I think SV was good and had a competent story this time, but I understand if Gen 6 onwards (or even Gen 5 if you're on that side of the coin) killed your faith in the series. I skipped the other Switch games too before giving SV a try.
>They actually outdid Diantha
>Geeta even shows up more times in the story too if I recall
I actually really liked that. I always thought that most Pokemon narratives were anticlimactic by ending on the Elite Four, when you already stop some a huge organization or world ending disaster. Seeing your rival beat the League/Champ before you (a good callback to Gen 1) made the stakes higher. Most people complained about "why didn't the Elite Four/Champion help" for the games, and well, this game did just that, and even then it showed that it was a struggle to stop them.
It's kind of like an Alder situation where Geeta's not really a final boss, but even more so since the League is also not really the endgame.
This is the actual "champion" of SV and this team is probably the hardest of any Pokemon games since Paradox Pokemon are effectively all legendary/pseudo level.
Not only that but they use several Pokemon that don't unlock until after the battle and have intentionally bizarre type combos so playing blind you almost certainly won't know their weaknesses. Honestly, I thought the P3 battle was up there with Red and Cynthia.
I mean, typically the champion is the final boss, so I get people essentially just calling the final boss the actual champion. However, the game very heavily pushes Geeta as the champion of champions, so I'm not going to let the game get away with just how shit she was by just pushing the title onto the professor, or even Nemona instead.
That fight is beyond Kino
>AI Sada no longer wishes to battle
I steamrolled that fight on violet while underleveled. The only pokemon that gave me a hard time was Iron Hands.
I had a much harder time battling post-league Nemona, I actually had to use revives and potions against her.
Was it just me having a hard time against her? I never see people bring her up when talking about difficult fights in pokemon.
Nemona's final team almost as underwhelming as Geeta's, her starter is the only realistic threat of the bunch.
God, S/V's designs were so fricking atrocious. Sw/Sh's were decent, I can't really remember having gripes about any of the characters in that game but then suddenly majority of S/V is just "Jesus Christ on ice, why would you draw that"-tier.
*pizza music starts*
>Just a generally nice person every time you deal with her
>Melodramatic piano prelude like you're fighting the Demon King
Is there a word for something that doesn't fit at all and yet fits entirely well at the same time?
She gets a lot of buildup as this expert, a stern professional who can take on team Galactic single-handedly, and that people are in awe of her. I feel like the piano theme fits that concept and is meant to make her additionally imposing for the player
>This theme means that if you lose, you have to fight 20 battles with borderline cheating RNG before you get another attempt.
Gen 3/4 had the best filters.
?si=BwTjzsr9DAPXj3l3
>Spenser
>Kyogre staff
>A(lpha) tattoos on his arms
>Doesn't show up in ORAS and gets replaced by some French harlots
Gen 6 really was the turning point huh
I'm still seething
The piano music only plays before the fight starts
She's not that difficult
I saw her have babymaking sex with black men.
>I saw her have babymaking sex with black men.
overrated c**t
“Cynthia she's a really cool dancer. Cynthia boogie to the groove now.”
heh
/v/ros, how do I get gf like Cynthia?
Be a little boy that defeats her in a Pokemon Battle.
And as adult?
>Cynthia
>adults
Sorry anon, Cynthia's a groomer.
Steven >>>>>
?si=wMjh8p9Jj1PUIMe-
?si=FV4gCXgSIWcPurUG
gen 3 in general>
captcha:XD0XN4
steven's team is toothless. the only legitimate threat he puts up is metagross. the rest are all either too slow, have easily exploitable weaknesses, or lack offensive pressure. the only real benefit is that you can't just solo sweep his team with a starter unless you're massively overleveled.
Thematical theme building>>>>>>just shoving a bunch of good pokemon together with no theme
Don't worry anon. I also have Cynthia related trauma.
But Cynthia's team DOES have a theme, anon. She's designed as a mirror to rival battles.
>exactly one of her team members can have its base form acquired on an ordinary route
>all five others are far out of the way and/or only accessible to players through in-game gifts
>ghost/dark lead, dragon ace, no duplicate types in between
>half the types on her team are "exotic" rather than the customary single electric or psychic type
>Steven
>good
Wew. He's one of the absolute easiest champions. Only thing easier is gold/silver.
Cynthia is for plap plap plap
>acting smug over pokemon romhacks
She's not tough she's just distracting
>it smells like cheese!
TUN TUN TUN
*frantic orchestra starts playing at full volume*
I dont get why people like the cynthia theme so much.
Its not even the best theme in dppt.
ignorance is bliss
there's absolutely no reason outside of nostalgia but my favorite elite 4 member has always been sidney. just reading thsi is always so fricking cool. pumps me up
Welcome, challenger! I'm Sidney of the Elite Four. I like that look you're giving me. I guess you'll give me a good match. That's good! Looking real good! All right! You and me, let's enjoy a battle that can only be staged here in the Pokémon League!
shame the remake buthered the battle theme
Reminder that Blue bodied her in an AI tournament.