If this is true and something Gabe actually believes, then why does he allow publishers to ship intrusive and performance-tanking DRM solutions like denuvo with their games? It's not like any sane publisher would drop steam with such a mandate since self-published or alternative stores have such a minuscule market share.
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HMM WHY WOULD I T URN DOWN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MONEY. WHO KNOWS. MAYBE IT'S BECAUSE OF THE MONEY.
denuvo isn't even bad compared to some older drm shit
>HMM WHY WOULD I T URN DOWN HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF MONEY.
But by his logic, people pirate because the server is bad. Denuvo actively makes the service worse. If he said publishers couldn't ship games with Denuvo on steam, none of them would go to competing platforms. That's an experiment that's failed time and time again.
98% of people don't give a shit if game has denuvo or not. just don't buy a game if it has it, pirate it later if it's removed or someone bothers to crack it. or get get the console version. most uncracked denuvo games are available to pirate on consoles.
i don't know man. you already run drm. what does it matter if there's another. you play a game then you played it. it's like people who be like omg this thing gathers information about me. when literally everything does online. but that one thing is like omg this is too much then goes back to using other things that do the same thing. it's pretty lulz overall. anyway if you don't like it then don't use it.
>98% of people don't give a shit if game has denuvo or not.
Well considering just about every game that has it has a significant amount of bad reviews attributed to the shitty anti cheat, I would argue far more than 2% of players care. Go look at MH Rise's steam score. It's like 20% kek
yea yea epic review bombers. nice. enigma made poopoo. who gives a shit. play it on switch then
>Pirates get better versions of the product than paying customers do
And you're okay with this?
you just hop on to thing to a thing. if your monster hunter rise reviews say it's not good then don't play it. use your fricking brain for once in your life. you seek validation from strangers from internet for everything that you do. if someone says otherwise you're going in some defense mode like some turtle fricker. do what you want. if you want to pirate the game then pirate it. no need to hide behind some curtain. you want free stuff. everyone wants free stuff. most don't hide behind curtain. they take it with no remorse and don't go crying about stuff on internet
>or someone bothers to crack it
But the cracks don't even remove denuvo. Just circumvent it. Denuvo still runs and fricks your computer.
>98% of people don't give a shit if game has denuvo or not.
i don't. i don't even look at the drm on the storepage because i buy all of my games from keysites like gmg because its cheaper.
>But by his logic, people pirate because the server is bad.
he doesn't actually lose anything when people pirate the games so this is fine.
demanding publishers go drm-free would just end in them still having drm and selling off of steam
>denuvo isn't even bad compared to some older drm shit
Name three (3) that are worse
Nta back in the day we had this one that gave you install limits. It really sucked ass.
SecuROM
>look it up
>Spore
>Bioshock
>Mass Effect
>played all of those
>didn't have a problem back then
I'm thinking people were just moronic
just because YOU didn't have a problem didn't mean it wasn't godawful. There was literally a hard limit on how many times you could install it. And not a daily limit like Denuvo, you could only install the game like five times TOTAL.
Yeah and after that, no more checks were made and you could just copy the fricking game
you people have the tech knowledge of a fricking ant
That applied to only some games like Spore, it might have been optional or just built into later versions.
or maybe were (and still are) too moronic to notice the issues
STARforce
>pay shitload of money to put denuvo into your game
>no visible sales increase
>make your game worse for paying customers with no real benefits for anyone
>???
>you're a homosexual
no visible sales decrease either
So what's the point then?
Spineless suits pretending they're doing something to secure revenue flow.
Dejewvo is made by the turbojews responsible for securom
>buy game
>put disk in
>securom checks disk
>takes two minutes
>fails
>repeat
>fails
>repeat
>ten minutes later game finally starts
If pirating a game gives you a better user experience than buying it, there is no reason to buy it at all.
>denuvo isn't even bad compared to some older drm shit
Yeah, that's only because the company that made denuvo legally can't brick your hardware "on purpose" anymore.
Take your meds, Tim.
>If you don't like shitty DRM you are Tim Sweeney, who also allows said shit DRM
Smartest valvetard
Don't you have some rocks to collect, Tim?
Not Tim, Borderlands 3 had notorious issues related to Denuvo when it was on epic.
Literal cultist
Market grew large enough that piracy is negligible for the storefront, publishers disagree but that's their problem
Because saying "piracy is a service problem" doesn't mean "I will abolish DRM on my store"...?
Just don't play those games. Vote with your wallet.
None of the games I play use Denovo so it doesn't impact me at all
It is a service problem, and it's up to consumers to correct that by not buying the shit. Unfortunately, most people have decided denuvo is "not that bad." to warrant piracy. They'd rather have it on Steam.
Because Steam isn't a monopoly
They set basic standards and are basically like a department store
Sure, you could the soda for 1.99 or you could get the soda for 1.99 that needs you to complete a full medical before you can drink it
Not up to Gaben to stop people being morons
Because it's "their" service problem. Steam is just there to collect the checks.
Also part of making sure that big competitors don't pop up is not doing stupid shit to alienate existing customers. If Valve was regularly shitting the bed and pulling EA or Activision tier moves, customers and devs would be a lot more willing to jump ship to Timmy.
Gabe was right.
I purchase games I already played and pirated just to have them on steam
I purchase games I even don't want to play to have them on steam
I love steam
steam is love
steam is life
Also I'm not a steam shill since I mostly buy games on keyshops since it's cheaper. I haven't even spent 100$ total on steam and I haven't spent more than 300$ on keyshops
Why do they need to? They provide a good service that most users are pretty happy with. He didn't say that in support of piracy, or that he'd like to make piracy easier, only that industries and businesses complaining about piracy just need to give better service. Meeting the average consumer's demands is pretty simple, even those who would otherwise be pirates. Give people what they want, roughly how they want it, with as little pain in the ass as possible, and at a price that is reasonable. That's all it takes to largely stop piracy.
At least they tell you so you don't buy the game by mistake.
Because if its legal to sell and he is in a position to do so.
He just
Does
His
Fricking job
As
A
Game store/ library
Platform
Unlike a lot of people, he keeps his nose out of other peoples rectal cavities and minds his own (literal and figurative) buisness
because he's a hypocrite and knows that brazillians will pirate anything anyways
Steam can make games a click away for purchase.
The devs need to manage the price
Example from yewtube:
https://youtube.com/shorts/44Do5x5abRY?si=PCuhk3IAHLa1e8-q
Just because Valve thinks that doesn't mean everyone else has to just to use their store. Intrusive mandates like that are probably something they try to avoid.
I don't mind DRM. It lets me know what games to avoid, without reading the game description. I get that people hate it, but I know that all denuvo games have woke shit in it. So it literally does help me avoid games that are trying to hide that content in their initial adverts. I want more games I dislike to use denuvo, not less.
As long as it's public knowledge the moment you take money for it then add whatever. What Gaben needs to stamp out is games hiding denuvo while taking preorders.
>why does he allow
Free market you socialist b***h
>he can say no to any game he pleases for any or no reason whatsoever
>free market
lol
lmao
Yes? That's exactly what the free market is about.
>the free market is when a few people decide what you get to sell and what you don't get to sell
holy shit lmao
Literally anyone is free to clone all of steam's features and offer the same quality of service at any time and compete with them.
They just don't.
I take it to mean he's okay with piracy in these cases.
sane people don't install games from KGB trannies
Here is an interesting thought experiment: if Gaben decided to tell all the greedy ceos that DRM was no longer allowed to be bundled with any of the games sold on steam, how many do you think would actually and permanently leave steam and how many would b***h and moan but ultimately stay?
I'm sure they would kick up a fuss but they would not leave the market. Lookat the companies who did leave Steam. Ubisoft, EA.. they came crawling back.
I mean more pertinently they'd probably try to get payment processors to frick with them.
Strategically it's probably more viable to get a government to force the issue
The guy who cracked Denuvo showed that it doesn't actually tank performance.
https://momo5502.com/posts/2024-03-31-bypassing-denuvo-in-hogwarts-legacy/
Yeah a 'study' where he doesn't describe what he did, how he tested performance, settings, because that would be encouraging bad behavior but trust me guys the results are good honest
>actually looking at it would be a lot of work
>so I just kiinda guessed lmao
he didn't show jackshit, he made some educated guesses
he didn't even do an FPS measurement, a completely practical and effortless thing to do
he's either incompetent or paid off by Denuvo to keep silent in exchange for them not doing anything about him
Denuvo can't do anything about it since he didn't distribute anything cracked. No sane country puts the burden of proof on the accused.
He injected his own calls attached to Denuvo calls, and they were only triggered occasionally, and not at times that would hamper performance. The guy is actually pretty well known for haxing protection schemes, but keep saying Denuvo is the reason you won't buy games, and not the fact that you're a favela monkey.
>No sane country puts the burden of proof on the accused.
lmao that a lone tells me a lot about you
>been through the justice and correctional system in the first world
>some brown tells me his lack of experience is more valid
Which should I believe? HMMMMMM
he didn't remove it, he just bypassed it like Empress does. There are more than enough examples of games running better after Denuvo was removed entirely (i.e. official releases or accidental uploads) that at this point it's silly to pretend it doesn't affect performance.
Never said removed. Are English classes in Brazil this bad?
so it's a completely irrelevant claim not based on actually removing Denuvo and doing comparisons but rather
>This is not going to measure the performance impact directly, but it will give us is an estimate, a feeling
literally feels over reals
>Never said removed
then it's worthless you dumb african ape. bypassing means dejewvo is still running and impacting performance.
The point was to leave it running and see exactly when it made system calls (that would affect performance). By adding his own echo calls to the system calls, he saw it was only called once in a while, and never at points where performance would be impacted heavily, like scene changes.
>doesn't actually measure performance
>"it just FEELS like it doesn't affect performance"
?????
syscalls are not the reason denuvo fricks with performance
So when Denuvo isn't actually doing anything, it hampers performance, because it just does?
while(1) {
}
Hey look, at that I just locked up a thread indefinitely without using a single syscall. Strange how that works. It's almost like syscalls have next to nothing to do with performance.
>bypassing
that's not removing, moron.
turns out people are OK with that service
not me, but people are buying it still
>Publisher puts out game with denuvo to try and steal as many day 1 fomo sales
>Gamers play and realize these games are shit
>File for refunds (That said same publishers threatened to get Valve's payment processors to go after them and pull all their software and got fricked when Valve got the Australian government to force the issue)
>Publishers lose thousands and games are crippled 2 days after they come out
>Burned customers are less likely to buy games from them in the future
It's a service problem
Also the situation is even worse since pirates are notorious for having shit taste and can't even act as marketers if your game has denuvo, which is why they offer shills to harass people on steam.
Pirates are the only people that cry about DRM
>If this is true and something Gabe actually believes, then why does he allow publishers to ship intrusive and performance-tanking DRM solutions like denuvo with their games?
It's not his problem.
Gabe didn't put DRM in the games you clown.
That's a publisher decision.
>then why does he allow publishers to ship intrusive and performance-tanking DRM solutions like denuvo with their games?
Why would he give a shit in the first place? Why do you think you have to practice what you preach in 100% of situations throughout your life? Are you an ape?
https://store.steampowered.com/curator/26095454-Denuvo-Games/
That's valve's belief, that doesn't mean they're going to enforce their belief on publishers that use their platform moron
the moment that the server boxes which host the authentication servers for Denuvo implode for whatever reason, you won't be able to launch the game, even if you got the game without steam
It seems to be easy to remove, as lots of publishers tend to do it later in the run.
I hate steam, but at least they're telling you what you're getting into
You have the choice not to buy it
>then why does he allow publishers to ship intrusive and performance-tanking DRM solutions like denuvo with their games?
Because it allows us the player to say its a shit game and not buy it. While the company hides its stats on denuvo and non-denuvo selling titles on steam. Claiming denuvo saves devs!!! w-w-we totally love denuvo and would never say anything bad about them. We also were not fricking moronic Black folk and signed a 10/life time contract with them forcing it in every game we make.
How different our world would have turned out if Valve made it a point to not allow additional DRM on any games in their store from day one.
Steam would have nothing on it, for one.
Gabe said that quote more than a decade ago, it's quite likely valve has gone back on it.
considering they haven't made even a modicum of effort to make Steamworks more robust when they very easily could, I doubt it.
they force a warning on the store page so you know
you can just not buy it
Denuvo is super confy cuz it's like your copy of the game is personalized.
because the game launches and plays fine
thats all people want
>If this is true and something Gabe actually believes, then why does he allow publishers to ship intrusive and performance-tanking DRM solutions like denuvo with their games?
Because he's a libertarian that believes in the free market. Publishers are free to do anti-consumer shit and consumers are free to not buy it.
Steam becoming the norm (along with other drm shit) is exactly what pushed me from being a PC player that actually bought software, into becoming a pirate. Thanks, Gabe!
>allow
As opposed to what? Refusing to let them on Steam? That would lose Valve an insane amount of money and would put Steam's near-monopoly under threat. At the end of the day Gabe is a businessman, whatever principles he claims to have can be compromised with money.
>steam drm
>publisher drm
>need to have steam account
>need to make another publisher account
>easy anti cheat
>third party agreements
>games are just subscription and can just disappear
>all in one game
experience of buying EA/Ubisoft/Blizzard games on steam
if piracy is a service problem why do people still pirate games without Denuvo on Steam?
For me its either
>Never goes on sale
>Sales are less than 50% off
>any AAA title
>Black/female protagonist
>The above as any major non-joke character
usually because they're not very good.
for example I recently bought pennys big breakaway. but penny would literally fall through the floor or clip through walls and die.
I had to refund it because I was not going to pay for such a faulty, unpolished product.
Now I play it on smart steam emu and will buy it on sale after they fix the bugs.
>3rd party exclusivity deal
>full price game is loaded with MTX
>requires 3rd party account/launcher to play
>always online in a singleplayer game
>the game sucks
There are any number of reasons.
>If somebody believes something personally, why do they not force their beliefs on everyone else?
Were you born stupid or did you learn it from this place
Be honest, only pirates care about denuvo
people who actually buy games aren't affected by it
>but muh performance
there's no performance hit from denuvo, all the "proof" you have are clickbait youtube videos
People who actually buy video games are the only ones affected by it.
>all the "proof" you have are clickbait youtube videos
I see you are a shill who won't even look at evidence that proves you wrong.
>Be honest, only pirates care about denuvo
Pirates "can't play them".
So the only people impacted are people who actually paid for the game.
He does have a warning that it has Denuvo. It's a tiny, easily missed warning but it's a warning.
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>be honest
Shill. A delusional one at that.
DRM negates performance.
DRM phones home.
I paid for it the game. Its mine.
Get fricked by the EU.
I've been saying this for years Valve should Ban Denuvo.
they should have a stipulation that every game you sell to a customer needs to be playable without any server checks. The customer needs to OWN the game that they purchase otherwise you have not completed your end of the transaction.
It would kill invasive DRM over night and gamers would support it.