pirating isn't stealing because the devs don't lose anything + moralgayging is not an argument
This. Devs don't lose anything because I would've never bought their shit in the first place. If anything, if I REALLY like a game I pirated I MIGHT be inclined to buy it afterwards
You can do whatever, but objectively you can't consider yourself a fan of something you never supported if there is a way to support it. even the willingness but money being tight is good enough.
why tf would I care about being considered a fan. who would even be making that designation anyway and what benefit would there be it?
You should buy games you want to see more of
no guarantee the lazy ass indie dev will get off his ass and make a new game just because I purchase it. I can just wait for another indie dev to make another mechanically identical game
indie devs are going to make whatever they want to make because they're almost always passion projects. me buying indie shit has absolutely no effect on that
>why tf would I care about being considered a fan.
Come on. I'm sure there's something you're a fan of. We all like to be cynical and shitpost but I'm sure there's something you really like Above the Rest. >who would even be making that designation anyway and what benefit would there be it?
Other fans. You're right that designation would be meaningless because it doesn't affect your life. But so does pirating in the first place anyway. The entire point is that if too many people are like you, the production of games that you like May cease to be. In that way it does kind of affect you.
>YOU WILL CONSUME
Literally how are you different. Hypocrite. >YOU WILL SPEND MONEY ON PRODUCTS
Nobody says you have to do anything. Being a fan doesn't really affect anything besides potentially ensuring some degree of support. And I should clarify that obviously you don't have to buy loads and loads of merchandise the prove that you're a fan. My point is that if you never have the will to support something (That can be supported. Obviously that doesn't include things not legally available) that you like , then you really don't like it as much as you think you do.
Most people on Ganker, Ganker and Ganker pirate almost everything, never give money, and all consider themselves fans. Why do we have people from Ganker who say "well, if you're not gonna give them money, you aren't really a fan"? People here used to not giving a frick about this, pirated the games and just talked about them.
>and all consider themselves fans.
If you never have, or have the will to support your favorite shows/comics/games then you aren't a fan. You know it (Since you would have done it already) the creator knows it, since no matter what they do you won't buy shit, the producers know it, since obviously you don't buy anything. if the series is struggling, them not buying/supporting anything ensures their demise. If the series does well, then they did nothing to help with that. Don't see why this is so traumatizing for some anons.
I liked Squid Game when it aired last year. still haven't paid for a Netflix subscription or bought the dvds, Also no merchandise, and likely never will. I really liked the show, too. But I am not a fan.
My mom literally made me go into a video store with my jacket lined with aluminum to steal shit. I started crying when I held it and went to give it back to the clerk. She ran in pretending that the clerk had made me cry and when we got far enough away she yelled at me because I hadn't gotten her her top 20 of 1999.
God I'm glad social serviced took me from her god damn wino c**t, frick.
You can do whatever, but objectively you can't consider yourself a fan of something you never supported if there is a way to support it. even the willingness but money being tight is good enough.
>Love One Piece >read it for Decades >Never buy a single volume >Never buy a single game >Never buy a single piece of merchandise > Never subscribe to Jump to read it. > Don't even read it on Jump for free that's monetized via ads.
Objectively you have proved that the series means nothing to you. And that's fine. I've pirated loads of shit. I'm even pirating shit as we type. But if you never buy something to support it, then you aren't a fan of it.
So if you never buy any game, then you are not a fan of games.
>YOU WILL CONSUME
Literally how are you different. Hypocrite. >YOU WILL SPEND MONEY ON PRODUCTS
Nobody says you have to do anything. Being a fan doesn't really affect anything besides potentially ensuring some degree of support. And I should clarify that obviously you don't have to buy loads and loads of merchandise the prove that you're a fan. My point is that if you never have the will to support something (That can be supported. Obviously that doesn't include things not legally available) that you like , then you really don't like it as much as you think you do.
>objectively you can't consider yourself a fan of something you never supported if there is a way to support it
this website is full of braindead morons who think they make sense
Yeah? Most people have no genuine interest in mainstream media or products, they impulsively buy it or "support it" if it's part of the current mainstream discussion.
>Most people have no genuine interest in mainstream media or products, they impulsively buy it or "support it" if it's part of the current mainstream discussion.
So it interest them...
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They're not interested in the media itself which is the whole point here. There are people who never watch any movies except ones that placed No.1 at the box office. Are these people interested in that movie or are they people who just want to fit in?
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>They're not interested in the media itself which is the whole point here.
What the heck does this even mean? You don't have to have a encyclopedic knowledge of something just to be a fan. >There are people who never watch any movies except ones that placed No.1 at the box office. Are these people interested in that movie or are they people who just want to fit in?
What the frick am I reading , anon. Doesn't the movie being at the top of the box office prove that people LIKE the MOVIE. So the people want to see what all the hubub is about? Nobody sees a movie literally JUST because it's a Box office success.
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That entire elf series was brutal but holy shit it has some really golden moments, especially the ss one.
Even if I were to assume they don't, that doesn't mean that people necessarily buy things that interest them.
It is possible to be interested in something you don't spend money on. To suggest other wise is moronic.
But my argument is whether or not those people are fans. You can be interested in something and still not be a fan. Being a fan is meaningless for the individual, but if you don't do anything to support shit you like then you aren't one.
If all the people on Ganker or Ganker or Ganker pirate shit as much as they allude to and they were the only audience for those mediums, then those mediums would die.
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>But my argument is whether or not those people are fans. You can be interested in something and still not be a fan.
That depends solely on the amount of interest. If you are consistently interested enough in something, you are a fan. >Being a fan is meaningless for the individual
What do you mean? >but if you don't do anything to support shit you like then you aren't one.
Again, wrong for the reason I stated. >If all the people on Ganker or Ganker or Ganker pirate shit as much as they allude to and they were the only audience for those mediums, then those mediums would die.
Correct, but that's irrelevant to whether they are fans or not.
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>That depends solely on the amount of interest. If you are consistently interested enough in something, you are a fan.
You are not, because you do not think the series is worth supporting if you never do and never will. No one would consider that person a fan. Other fans wouldn't. Creator and producer wouldn't, and the person in question couldn't since he thinks the work isn't worth buying. Remember, I did say willingness is enough. Not everyone can afford to support stuff they like. But if you won the lottery and still don't buy the shit you like then you are not a fan. >What do you mean?
It's isn't some type of shame or powerful statement to be a fan. It doesn't mean anything to be a fan of something and likely won't impact your life. Not being a fan doesn't hurt you. >Correct, but that's irrelevant to whether they are fans or not.
A series ends and a creator finds a new line of work if the people interested in his work enough to support him doesn't break even with the cost of producing his work. If you did not help the series that you like survive in some way, then you essentially killed it yourself. would you consider someone who killed a work that he "likes" a fan?
Now obviously I don't mean literally at an individual level the person killed the work. But they did nothing to help it survive.
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>You are not, because you do not think the series is worth supporting if you never do and never will. No one would consider that person a fan. Other fans wouldn't. Creator and producer wouldn't, and the person in question couldn't since he thinks the work isn't worth buying. Remember, I did say willingness is enough. Not everyone can afford to support stuff they like. But if you won the lottery and still don't buy the shit you like then you are not a fan.
I don't have to think something's worth supporting to be interested in it. Those are different things. You're wrong about how people in general view being a fan, creators and producers included. >It's isn't some type of shame or powerful statement to be a fan. It doesn't mean anything to be a fan of something and likely won't impact your life. Not being a fan doesn't hurt you.
How is this relevant to your argument? >A series ends and a creator finds a new line of work if the people interested in his work enough to support him doesn't break even with the cost of producing his work. If you did not help the series that you like survive in some way, then you essentially killed it yourself. would you consider someone who killed a work that he "likes" a fan?
Now obviously I don't mean literally at an individual level the person killed the work. But they did nothing to help it survive.
I'm not responsible for whether things I like continue. Again, worth and interest are different.
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>I don't have to think something's worth supporting to be interested in it. Those are different things.
On the contrary, the fact that you think it's not worth supporting (Ignoring real world principles) is proof enough that you are not a fan. >You're wrong about how people in general view being a fan, creators and producers included.
Never heard of a fan that think a work isn't worth supporting (Remember I said willingness COUNTS). I guess you can be a fan of books you never read or games you've never played, too (Never said finished), too. >How is this relevant to your argument?
Many posters who replied to me treated not being a fan as an attack on their character. As if it mattered whether you were a fan or not. >I'm not responsible for whether things I like continue.
This is what I meant by other anons taking it as an attack on there character. I never said you were responsible. But if you did not do or at least have the drive to prevent it then you never were a fan. > Again, worth and interest are different.
One cannot exist without the other. How do you have interest in things that you view as not worth it? (Remember, willingness still counts).
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>On the contrary, the fact that you think it's not worth supporting (Ignoring real world principles) is proof enough that you are not a fan.
Only the way you define it, which is wrong. >Never heard of a fan that think a work isn't worth supporting (Remember I said willingness COUNTS). I guess you can be a fan of books you never read or games you've never played, too (Never said finished), too.
This is a pointless statement because anyone that fits that description doesn't fit your definition of a fan. >But if you did not do or at least have the drive to prevent it then you never were a fan.
Wrong for the same old reason I gave earlier. I can be interested in something and also find it not worth preventing its demise. >One cannot exist without the other. How do you have interest in things that you view as not worth it?
It is entirely possible to be interested in something you don't consider worth spending money on. This may be the central source of you mistake.
>Donate to charities >They use the 99% of the money internally and milks the cause for money instead of actually giving it to those in need
>Buy any videogame from a corporation >Devs get paid the same regardless of how good or bad it is >Most of the money goes to the management
>Buy videogame from indie dev >Money goes directly to a small team, sometimes a single person and reward them for their efforts
I don't know if you can see a theme here... Singular buys from small teams basically nets a greater gain overall than from a megacorporation. Also the majority of price tags tend to be lower than 20$. That's what? A sandwich and a half? As opposed to 60-100$ on a corporate guess at what gamers want?
You're free to pirate but what are you saving as opposed to BRAND GAME?
because it's the reason you have so many shit '''free''' games now instead of actual products you just buy and own
Helps the indie bankroll future games if you but it.
Financial failure means closure.
Indie games are like flies. One dies but many more will quickly replace it.
They don't have the support of Larry Fink's deep pockets so they have to go deep in debt in order to create their games, and they need that revenue in order to pay it.
>Donate to charities >They use the 99% of the money internally and milks the cause for money instead of actually giving it to those in need
>Buy any videogame from a corporation >Devs get paid the same regardless of how good or bad it is >Most of the money goes to the management
>Buy videogame from indie dev >Money goes directly to a small team, sometimes a single person and reward them for their efforts
I don't know if you can see a theme here... Singular buys from small teams basically nets a greater gain overall than from a megacorporation. Also the majority of price tags tend to be lower than 20$. That's what? A sandwich and a half? As opposed to 60-100$ on a corporate guess at what gamers want?
You're free to pirate but what are you saving as opposed to BRAND GAME?
No, its because they can extract more profit with modern games practices than the old model of buying once for $60 (which is now worth way less due to inflation, but there is a way larger market to compensate). Averages say whales will spend amounts equal to 10+ average consumers, and a free game nets way more users overall because children and poors.
>yes, if it has no demo then i'll be pirating it to try it, same as every game
based. ill even beat a game, then buy it on sale and never play the "legal" version.
>NO, YOU HAVE TO CARE ABOUT THE SMALL DEVELOPERS, NO, YOU HAVE TO BUY THEIR GAMES AND PRETEND DO LOVE 16BIT CRAP AND METROIDVANIA!
I care about the homosexuals who make my games as much as I care about the people who make my shoes, my window's glasses or the plastic ruler on my desk
>"Legend of heroes" hold their EN translated version to next 2 years for no reason. >Fans already translated both.
Yeah, mb not actually indie, but not feeling bad.
It was meh for years, same jokes and segments every year and to many jap celebs. I rewatched plenty of times older ones but for last like 5 years I was just skipping through them.
Excellent taste, exactly what I was thinking.
Also check out documental if you haven't, it's a wild ride that will have its ups and down due to the nature of the show.
Hosted by Matsumoto, 10 comedians bet 1 million yen to make the others laugh for 6 hours. Nothing is held back, one dude even pissed in the middle of it and they sucked another dudes balls with a vacuum cleaner.
this
documental is better than the annual no-laughing show, it became hypercommercialized after like EDF
it was already super formulaic but now it's just doing the exact same thing year after year
>Imagine your potato cant load game. >You left launcher/error message open >Go to work >Cant refund due to hours passed. >Never bought anything again.
Not me, just imagine this stupid shit.
Whole kiki series but try to watch chronologically, tabletop games are also great.
I find episodes where they are in competition against each other the best, it's more genue and they don't have to play character.
>game has no demo
i pirate it. It's as simple as that. Why am i going to spend money on something i haven't tried or seen. And just leaving it to luck.
I hated it for two reasons, one was that I got major SH Homecoming vibes, but that lock shit kept me from beating the game in one sitting. I kept failing it. I was admittedly drunk and beat it the next day but it was still a load of shit
Yeah. The game's from 2021 but its an obvious throwback to PS1/2 era survival horror. It's jank as shit, but its still a really good game. Also you see tiddie in the first 5 minutes.
I don't have the time to pirate games just to test them out. I'll just buy a game during a sale most of the time and if it's really bad, then I'll refund it. That almost never happens because I think before I buy.
Yea, they realized the screentime was too important to miss so hospital was the first time they went with all 5. It was still great, the best is when they would attempt to make themselves laugh instead of the producers trying to come up with gags and "look it's popular celebrity cameo #945320 now laugh". It wasn't one of my favorites but the airport had one of the greatest moments to me, when they were arguing who got the food so they played RPS and added look the other way, and they said it would take forever to find get a winner, and Tanaka won first try.
>sharing your bank information around the internet like it's nothing >telling your bank and every government and big corporation in the world what you buy or do with your free time >when you cuold just be enjoying the game anonymously and for free
Indie games would have been given away for free as mods or flash games a decade ago. Having to pay for them is a symptom of the hypercommercialization of everything. Paying for them only results in morons who want to be the next toby fox and make easy money by scamming normalgays to flood the indie market instead of people with actual passion projects.
I used to pirate indie games when I was a kid but after growing up and becoming a software dev myself I felt so bad for what I did I went back and bought most of those games on steam. and I buy a shit ton of indie games every steam sale. all my favorite games on PC also happen to be indie so I feel like indie devs are my bros and I should unironically support them as much as I can
Is ok the lord can forgive my sins, I will pirate vidya in heaven while you, an heretic, burn in the flames of hell for all eternity, stop supporting indie games they are made by satanic developers.
This is why microtransactions and gaming as a service became a thing.
Heck as an indie dev, my game will be free on mobile and you can buy "no ads" and skins for support.
Yknow when I first saw the tanaker thing I thought it was gonna be bland like the one where they trailed behind him and he was being an absolute dick, but this makes me wanna check it out.
I pirate every indie game to help them out by having another player.
I don't even play AAA games because it's goymedia for Black personcattle and they don't deserve the view.
I buy indie games i liked after playing them, as a bid for more games from them, but i prefer to think of it as a donation rather than buying a game like a gay.
Very nice, I like to think of it as donations as well. If I really like a dev then I give them a lot of monies on patreons or paypals. whatever I can find. I know what I'm doing and I know what I want. .
Thats just his on stage persona, he actually has a reputation as an incredibly nice and helpful person in private.
Off camera its Matsumoto who is more closed off and awkward with others.
>Off camera its Matsumoto who is more closed off and awkward with others.
Really? I thought he was the chill one compared to Hamada. There was also the court episodes where Hamada has weird habits or even getting angry at people off-camera.
I have no problem with pirating whatsoever and have even pirated myself. What I DO have a problem with is people bragging about pirating as if that makes them "cool." No, it doesn't make you cool, nobody fricking cares. Most normal people don't brag about buying games, they'll just talk about a game they like and they don't specifically mention they bought the game and how cool that makes them.
>What I DO have a problem with is people bragging about pirating as if that makes them "cool."
Most people want to shitpost about it because you have pearl clutching anons constantly trying to police your behavior. No shit people will pretend to pirate stuff to be "cool" out of spite.
People only do that in response to people bragging about piracy and there's no way to tell what posted on this site is genuine so the anti-piracy police could be shitposting too.
I've only seen until season 4 since I've been torrenting them but I must say go straight to season 2 the first one isn't that good.
and yes, there is a lot of gags where they get so desperate that they resort to playing with their genitals, pretty amazing experience.
If someone pirated my game and is not employed, and doesn't have much money for entertainment, I am indifferent. However, got an income? Gonna play my game for more than 2 hours? If you pirate it, your life will become measurably worse. It's a sign you are headed for failure in all areas of your being. Why do people not get this? I was actually in denial about this last year. Was in utter despair when people played this game so much, and pirated it so much. The pain I felt when a friend on Twitter posted that he played the game for "three weeks" (seriously, this is what he claimed), compared to me not having played the game since launch. So he didn't buy it? Wtf. I live in China. I work long hours, because I am unemployed (and so I'm not spending my money there). Getting my bachelor's degree so I can work to support myself was one of my greatest accomplishments in life. So, the thought of someone not giving a flying frick about my game, for any reason at all? I wanted to die. How do I ever win this game, against the people who don't give a damn about it? Even if I manage to sell 100,000 copies, it will be a small drop in a sea of people who bought the game, and will continue to enjoy it. I'm sad that the game has given me so much pleasure over the years. I'm sad that it's ended up failing at what I wanted it to be.
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And we don't get any respite from it until Gabe Newell from Valve gets involved. Newell claims that making games isn't like other industries:
Gabe Newell says piracy is inevitable as games become digital downloads: "When you buy a movie, you pay for it and can get it at any time. That system has worked for decades."
That's...oh, what, just making an analogy? Hmm. Sounds like the most "un-PC" thing he's ever said. Is this how Valve got where they are? If only he'd stick to making video games.
every indie dev has pirated games/software, and every indie dev knows some of us are too poor to buy games. ask any indie dev their opinions on piracy, and most will say they're cool with it. and then you have devs like CD Poject Red who will release a cracked version of the game themselves (something they did with Cyberflunk)
Give me 1 (one (uno (juan*~~ reason I shouldn't pirate indie games.
>ULTRA HARD MODE: no moralgayging
Don't steal. Your mom taught you better than this
pirating isn't stealing because the devs don't lose anything + moralgayging is not an argument
Why is moralgayging not an argument?
My mom told me that it's only a crime if someone notices it
She was probably referring to the grapes on the supermarket but i took her advice to heart
lol you would've download a car right moralgay?
This. Devs don't lose anything because I would've never bought their shit in the first place. If anything, if I REALLY like a game I pirated I MIGHT be inclined to buy it afterwards
why tf would I care about being considered a fan. who would even be making that designation anyway and what benefit would there be it?
no guarantee the lazy ass indie dev will get off his ass and make a new game just because I purchase it. I can just wait for another indie dev to make another mechanically identical game
Another indie dev becomes more likely to make similar games if the other ones sold, though.
indie devs are going to make whatever they want to make because they're almost always passion projects. me buying indie shit has absolutely no effect on that
>why tf would I care about being considered a fan.
Come on. I'm sure there's something you're a fan of. We all like to be cynical and shitpost but I'm sure there's something you really like Above the Rest.
>who would even be making that designation anyway and what benefit would there be it?
Other fans. You're right that designation would be meaningless because it doesn't affect your life. But so does pirating in the first place anyway. The entire point is that if too many people are like you, the production of games that you like May cease to be. In that way it does kind of affect you.
Most people on Ganker, Ganker and Ganker pirate almost everything, never give money, and all consider themselves fans. Why do we have people from Ganker who say "well, if you're not gonna give them money, you aren't really a fan"? People here used to not giving a frick about this, pirated the games and just talked about them.
>and all consider themselves fans.
If you never have, or have the will to support your favorite shows/comics/games then you aren't a fan. You know it (Since you would have done it already) the creator knows it, since no matter what they do you won't buy shit, the producers know it, since obviously you don't buy anything. if the series is struggling, them not buying/supporting anything ensures their demise. If the series does well, then they did nothing to help with that. Don't see why this is so traumatizing for some anons.
I liked Squid Game when it aired last year. still haven't paid for a Netflix subscription or bought the dvds, Also no merchandise, and likely never will. I really liked the show, too. But I am not a fan.
My mom pirates everything she uses for work tho, everyone i know pirates their stuff.
Nope because your mom sucked my dick and let me poop in your face
My mom literally made me go into a video store with my jacket lined with aluminum to steal shit. I started crying when I held it and went to give it back to the clerk. She ran in pretending that the clerk had made me cry and when we got far enough away she yelled at me because I hadn't gotten her her top 20 of 1999.
God I'm glad social serviced took me from her god damn wino c**t, frick.
You can do whatever, but objectively you can't consider yourself a fan of something you never supported if there is a way to support it. even the willingness but money being tight is good enough.
>you can't consider yourself a fan
i can only imagine the depths of your mind
>Love One Piece
>read it for Decades
>Never buy a single volume
>Never buy a single game
>Never buy a single piece of merchandise
> Never subscribe to Jump to read it.
> Don't even read it on Jump for free that's monetized via ads.
Objectively you have proved that the series means nothing to you. And that's fine. I've pirated loads of shit. I'm even pirating shit as we type. But if you never buy something to support it, then you aren't a fan of it.
So if you never buy any game, then you are not a fan of games.
BASED I WOULD NEVER CONSIDER MYSELF AS A FAN OF ANYTHING EXCEPT MONEY.
YOU WILL CONSUME
YOU WILL SPEND MONEY ON PRODUCTS
>YOU WILL CONSUME
Literally how are you different. Hypocrite.
>YOU WILL SPEND MONEY ON PRODUCTS
Nobody says you have to do anything. Being a fan doesn't really affect anything besides potentially ensuring some degree of support. And I should clarify that obviously you don't have to buy loads and loads of merchandise the prove that you're a fan. My point is that if you never have the will to support something (That can be supported. Obviously that doesn't include things not legally available) that you like , then you really don't like it as much as you think you do.
>objectively you can't consider yourself a fan of something you never supported if there is a way to support it
this website is full of braindead morons who think they make sense
Have higher self-esteem, anon.
Being a fan is defined by interest, not support, moron.
Do people buy things they aren't interested in?
Yeah? Most people have no genuine interest in mainstream media or products, they impulsively buy it or "support it" if it's part of the current mainstream discussion.
>Most people have no genuine interest in mainstream media or products, they impulsively buy it or "support it" if it's part of the current mainstream discussion.
So it interest them...
They're not interested in the media itself which is the whole point here. There are people who never watch any movies except ones that placed No.1 at the box office. Are these people interested in that movie or are they people who just want to fit in?
>They're not interested in the media itself which is the whole point here.
What the heck does this even mean? You don't have to have a encyclopedic knowledge of something just to be a fan.
>There are people who never watch any movies except ones that placed No.1 at the box office. Are these people interested in that movie or are they people who just want to fit in?
What the frick am I reading , anon. Doesn't the movie being at the top of the box office prove that people LIKE the MOVIE. So the people want to see what all the hubub is about? Nobody sees a movie literally JUST because it's a Box office success.
That entire elf series was brutal but holy shit it has some really golden moments, especially the ss one.
He needs to stop it with the scat
Even if I were to assume they don't, that doesn't mean that people necessarily buy things that interest them.
It is possible to be interested in something you don't spend money on. To suggest other wise is moronic.
But my argument is whether or not those people are fans. You can be interested in something and still not be a fan. Being a fan is meaningless for the individual, but if you don't do anything to support shit you like then you aren't one.
If all the people on Ganker or Ganker or Ganker pirate shit as much as they allude to and they were the only audience for those mediums, then those mediums would die.
>But my argument is whether or not those people are fans. You can be interested in something and still not be a fan.
That depends solely on the amount of interest. If you are consistently interested enough in something, you are a fan.
>Being a fan is meaningless for the individual
What do you mean?
>but if you don't do anything to support shit you like then you aren't one.
Again, wrong for the reason I stated.
>If all the people on Ganker or Ganker or Ganker pirate shit as much as they allude to and they were the only audience for those mediums, then those mediums would die.
Correct, but that's irrelevant to whether they are fans or not.
>That depends solely on the amount of interest. If you are consistently interested enough in something, you are a fan.
You are not, because you do not think the series is worth supporting if you never do and never will. No one would consider that person a fan. Other fans wouldn't. Creator and producer wouldn't, and the person in question couldn't since he thinks the work isn't worth buying. Remember, I did say willingness is enough. Not everyone can afford to support stuff they like. But if you won the lottery and still don't buy the shit you like then you are not a fan.
>What do you mean?
It's isn't some type of shame or powerful statement to be a fan. It doesn't mean anything to be a fan of something and likely won't impact your life. Not being a fan doesn't hurt you.
>Correct, but that's irrelevant to whether they are fans or not.
A series ends and a creator finds a new line of work if the people interested in his work enough to support him doesn't break even with the cost of producing his work. If you did not help the series that you like survive in some way, then you essentially killed it yourself. would you consider someone who killed a work that he "likes" a fan?
Now obviously I don't mean literally at an individual level the person killed the work. But they did nothing to help it survive.
>You are not, because you do not think the series is worth supporting if you never do and never will. No one would consider that person a fan. Other fans wouldn't. Creator and producer wouldn't, and the person in question couldn't since he thinks the work isn't worth buying. Remember, I did say willingness is enough. Not everyone can afford to support stuff they like. But if you won the lottery and still don't buy the shit you like then you are not a fan.
I don't have to think something's worth supporting to be interested in it. Those are different things. You're wrong about how people in general view being a fan, creators and producers included.
>It's isn't some type of shame or powerful statement to be a fan. It doesn't mean anything to be a fan of something and likely won't impact your life. Not being a fan doesn't hurt you.
How is this relevant to your argument?
>A series ends and a creator finds a new line of work if the people interested in his work enough to support him doesn't break even with the cost of producing his work. If you did not help the series that you like survive in some way, then you essentially killed it yourself. would you consider someone who killed a work that he "likes" a fan?
Now obviously I don't mean literally at an individual level the person killed the work. But they did nothing to help it survive.
I'm not responsible for whether things I like continue. Again, worth and interest are different.
>I don't have to think something's worth supporting to be interested in it. Those are different things.
On the contrary, the fact that you think it's not worth supporting (Ignoring real world principles) is proof enough that you are not a fan.
>You're wrong about how people in general view being a fan, creators and producers included.
Never heard of a fan that think a work isn't worth supporting (Remember I said willingness COUNTS). I guess you can be a fan of books you never read or games you've never played, too (Never said finished), too.
>How is this relevant to your argument?
Many posters who replied to me treated not being a fan as an attack on their character. As if it mattered whether you were a fan or not.
>I'm not responsible for whether things I like continue.
This is what I meant by other anons taking it as an attack on there character. I never said you were responsible. But if you did not do or at least have the drive to prevent it then you never were a fan.
> Again, worth and interest are different.
One cannot exist without the other. How do you have interest in things that you view as not worth it? (Remember, willingness still counts).
>On the contrary, the fact that you think it's not worth supporting (Ignoring real world principles) is proof enough that you are not a fan.
Only the way you define it, which is wrong.
>Never heard of a fan that think a work isn't worth supporting (Remember I said willingness COUNTS). I guess you can be a fan of books you never read or games you've never played, too (Never said finished), too.
This is a pointless statement because anyone that fits that description doesn't fit your definition of a fan.
>But if you did not do or at least have the drive to prevent it then you never were a fan.
Wrong for the same old reason I gave earlier. I can be interested in something and also find it not worth preventing its demise.
>One cannot exist without the other. How do you have interest in things that you view as not worth it?
It is entirely possible to be interested in something you don't consider worth spending money on. This may be the central source of you mistake.
You should buy games you want to see more of
Name 906,009 indie games that are innovative in any way and don't just steal from classic games made by real studios.
Indie games are like flies. One dies but many more will quickly replace it.
They don't have the support of Larry Fink's deep pockets so they have to go deep in debt in order to create their games, and they need that revenue in order to pay it.
>Donate to charities
>They use the 99% of the money internally and milks the cause for money instead of actually giving it to those in need
>Buy any videogame from a corporation
>Devs get paid the same regardless of how good or bad it is
>Most of the money goes to the management
>Buy videogame from indie dev
>Money goes directly to a small team, sometimes a single person and reward them for their efforts
I don't know if you can see a theme here... Singular buys from small teams basically nets a greater gain overall than from a megacorporation. Also the majority of price tags tend to be lower than 20$. That's what? A sandwich and a half? As opposed to 60-100$ on a corporate guess at what gamers want?
You're free to pirate but what are you saving as opposed to BRAND GAME?
because it's the reason you have so many shit '''free''' games now instead of actual products you just buy and own
No, its because they can extract more profit with modern games practices than the old model of buying once for $60 (which is now worth way less due to inflation, but there is a way larger market to compensate). Averages say whales will spend amounts equal to 10+ average consumers, and a free game nets way more users overall because children and poors.
This logic would be fine if it wasn't coming from the mouth of someone who would instantly pirate a $60 indie game.
lol
Helps the indie bankroll future games if you but it.
Financial failure means closure.
yes, if it has no demo then i'll be pirating it to try it, same as every game
>yes, if it has no demo then i'll be pirating it to try it, same as every game
based. ill even beat a game, then buy it on sale and never play the "legal" version.
I prefer to buy, play for 1 hour 59 minutes, alt F4, leave a review, and refund it
nobody cares, enjoy your viruses poorgay
Best site to pirate Humankind?
https://fitgirl-repacks.site/
>NO, YOU HAVE TO CARE ABOUT THE SMALL DEVELOPERS, NO, YOU HAVE TO BUY THEIR GAMES AND PRETEND DO LOVE 16BIT CRAP AND METROIDVANIA!
I care about the homosexuals who make my games as much as I care about the people who make my shoes, my window's glasses or the plastic ruler on my desk
Yes
tanaka
tai kikku
>"Legend of heroes" hold their EN translated version to next 2 years for no reason.
>Fans already translated both.
Yeah, mb not actually indie, but not feeling bad.
>tfw No Laughing is over
It was meh for years, same jokes and segments every year and to many jap celebs. I rewatched plenty of times older ones but for last like 5 years I was just skipping through them.
Which year is unironically the best, anons?
Hospital, teacher and edf2 both second place
Excellent taste, exactly what I was thinking.
Also check out documental if you haven't, it's a wild ride that will have its ups and down due to the nature of the show.
Hosted by Matsumoto, 10 comedians bet 1 million yen to make the others laugh for 6 hours. Nothing is held back, one dude even pissed in the middle of it and they sucked another dudes balls with a vacuum cleaner.
I'd say everything before 2014 or somewhere around that is still nice
this
documental is better than the annual no-laughing show, it became hypercommercialized after like EDF
it was already super formulaic but now it's just doing the exact same thing year after year
They're old, anon.
End of an era
Last few years were pretty lame.
How does one get into cracking games? What programming languages would be the most useful to start out with?
assembly debugging
Stuff like this? Am I headed in the right direction?
don't worry, I don't play indie shit at all
>pirating Japanese variety shows
i don't know japanese and they don't air over here
>mfw pirated an indie game and saved money because it turned out to be shit
>tfw you jerk off 5 times a day
no i dont priate indie games
indie games are so fricking shit i always regret playing them even when i get them for free
Best Gaki no Tsukai specials/episodes (subbed)?
I've watched a couple of no laughing games. 24 hour tag is also pretty great.
You should watch Suiyoubi no Downtown
this looks interesting. Where is the best place to get subbed episodes?
on youtube?
i've actually watched some of them too
some recently got hit and had to move the one I watch now is typhome
Everything is on r*ddit
https://chikichiki.tube/
thesilentlibrary.xyz/
there's a channel or two that stream everything you could watching that here and there and get a feel for what you like of their stuff most
>Imagine your potato cant load game.
>You left launcher/error message open
>Go to work
>Cant refund due to hours passed.
>Never bought anything again.
Not me, just imagine this stupid shit.
absolutely tasty
Whole kiki series but try to watch chronologically, tabletop games are also great.
I find episodes where they are in competition against each other the best, it's more genue and they don't have to play character.
You should try the rendezvous episodes, specially if your favorite part of the No Laughing series was just them talking to each other.
>game has no demo
i pirate it. It's as simple as that. Why am i going to spend money on something i haven't tried or seen. And just leaving it to luck.
>pirate indie
>play for an hour or two
>if it's good buy it on steam sale
>if it's bad drop it
>pirating thai kicks
I pirated Tormented Souls and then bought it the second I beat it. Good game, those fricking Chileans did well with this
agreed but last boss was lame
I hated it for two reasons, one was that I got major SH Homecoming vibes, but that lock shit kept me from beating the game in one sitting. I kept failing it. I was admittedly drunk and beat it the next day but it was still a load of shit
is that from the game? looks like REmake
Yeah. The game's from 2021 but its an obvious throwback to PS1/2 era survival horror. It's jank as shit, but its still a really good game. Also you see tiddie in the first 5 minutes.
looks pretty cool. gonna play this one, thanks anon
I felt a little bad about pirating the steamworld games before I found out the devs are holhol pigfrickers
I pirated Iron Lung this weekend, very scary game.
This game was shit. And it bugged on me after I took the last picture, so I made it very slowly back to the entrance only to find I was softlocked.
>hour of playing with numbers while the same 4 whale sounds play
>game ends with a png fish phasing through the wall
bravo david s
i unironically cant get myself to pirate indie games that i know sold like shit
I seed indie games I have no intention of ever playing
I don't have the time to pirate games just to test them out. I'll just buy a game during a sale most of the time and if it's really bad, then I'll refund it. That almost never happens because I think before I buy.
If I pirate a game then I wasn't going to buy it anyway.
Yes
all the older ones where they make bets or play games to determine who is in the batsu are great
Yea, they realized the screentime was too important to miss so hospital was the first time they went with all 5. It was still great, the best is when they would attempt to make themselves laugh instead of the producers trying to come up with gags and "look it's popular celebrity cameo #945320 now laugh". It wasn't one of my favorites but the airport had one of the greatest moments to me, when they were arguing who got the food so they played RPS and added look the other way, and they said it would take forever to find get a winner, and Tanaka won first try.
yeah I think the early ones with all 5 felt great because they were still changing things up which kept a fresh energy
https://gakiarchives.com/video/397
Amazing, even after decades it looks the same.
exactly, indie games are so shit, they are not even worth pirating
I haven't seen this since the haunted hotel episode like 10 years ago.
Where do I start?
>sharing your bank information around the internet like it's nothing
>telling your bank and every government and big corporation in the world what you buy or do with your free time
>when you cuold just be enjoying the game anonymously and for free
>He doesn't make all His purchases with gift cards bought with cash!
>Implying the best devs aren't thankful that You're playing Their game, period
Why is Japanese humor and Japanese television so shit
Filthy gaijin pig
Nippon undefeated
NYY basball hat #1
Indie games would have been given away for free as mods or flash games a decade ago. Having to pay for them is a symptom of the hypercommercialization of everything. Paying for them only results in morons who want to be the next toby fox and make easy money by scamming normalgays to flood the indie market instead of people with actual passion projects.
I used to pirate indie games when I was a kid but after growing up and becoming a software dev myself I felt so bad for what I did I went back and bought most of those games on steam. and I buy a shit ton of indie games every steam sale. all my favorite games on PC also happen to be indie so I feel like indie devs are my bros and I should unironically support them as much as I can
>unironically
I'm catholic, Jesus pirated bread and fish I will follow the lord and pirate video games.
If you don't pirate you will go to hell, heretic c**t, you deserve to get lapidated.
>I'm catholic
What has that got to do with anything
It means that my morals are superior to yours.
You just committed a sin anon.
Is ok the lord can forgive my sins, I will pirate vidya in heaven while you, an heretic, burn in the flames of hell for all eternity, stop supporting indie games they are made by satanic developers.
>paying for anything
Personally, piracy is justified for two occasions:
>the game isn't available anymore, and falls under abandonware
>I already gave you my money, and I'm entitled to it
For example: Can't find Radiata Stories or Pandora's Tower, or Skies of Arcadia? Pirate them, there's no harm, they're no on any storefront.
Example 2: I bought Front mission 3 on PSN, but sony says I don't own it anymore because..... reasons. So I gave them the middle finger.
Incorrect. Third option, I just want it and don't want to pay for it.
Piracy is justified for one reason:
>gibsmedat
This is why microtransactions and gaming as a service became a thing.
Heck as an indie dev, my game will be free on mobile and you can buy "no ads" and skins for support.
What are you gonna do about it?
Frick, I didn't know they made a second Tanaker
it was like last week so not surprising
Tanaker thai kikku
Yknow when I first saw the tanaker thing I thought it was gonna be bland like the one where they trailed behind him and he was being an absolute dick, but this makes me wanna check it out.
it's so good
What the frick is that song? It's driving me mad
it's the joker stair dance meme song
Oh yeah, forgot about that movie
rock and roll part 2 by right in the shitter gary glitter
Remind them that they don't get a free pass just because they aren't EA / Activison / Ubisoft
god frick this moronic captcha system
I pirate all indie games and preorder collectors editions for AAA titles. Fight me
yeah and?
I pirate every indie game to help them out by having another player.
I don't even play AAA games because it's goymedia for Black personcattle and they don't deserve the view.
I buy indie games i liked after playing them, as a bid for more games from them, but i prefer to think of it as a donation rather than buying a game like a gay.
Very nice, I like to think of it as donations as well. If I really like a dev then I give them a lot of monies on patreons or paypals. whatever I can find. I know what I'm doing and I know what I want. .
When you the price of shit like Stray, how can you not pirate it?
*see
Why is Hamada such a big piece of shit? Documental is one of the best things Matsumoto has produced, batsu and kiki games are not the same anymore.
Thats just his on stage persona, he actually has a reputation as an incredibly nice and helpful person in private.
Off camera its Matsumoto who is more closed off and awkward with others.
>Off camera its Matsumoto who is more closed off and awkward with others.
Really? I thought he was the chill one compared to Hamada. There was also the court episodes where Hamada has weird habits or even getting angry at people off-camera.
I have no problem with pirating whatsoever and have even pirated myself. What I DO have a problem with is people bragging about pirating as if that makes them "cool." No, it doesn't make you cool, nobody fricking cares. Most normal people don't brag about buying games, they'll just talk about a game they like and they don't specifically mention they bought the game and how cool that makes them.
>What I DO have a problem with is people bragging about pirating as if that makes them "cool."
Most people want to shitpost about it because you have pearl clutching anons constantly trying to police your behavior. No shit people will pretend to pirate stuff to be "cool" out of spite.
People only do that in response to people bragging about piracy and there's no way to tell what posted on this site is genuine so the anti-piracy police could be shitposting too.
Most indie devs are opposed to my wellbeing, why should I fund their lifestyles?
indie games
Deserves a slap.
man I love to pirate
Yearly batsu peaked here.
You don't deserve me money anymore than AAA publishers do.
I deserve all of the money.
Actually no, I do.
i'm broke
THIS IS NOW A DOCUMENTAL THREAD.
i saw a lot of wiener and ass on preview pics, haven't gotten through first season yet
yea, I'd rather rewatch older batsus. Documental has its moments, but it's often just disgusting old men getting naked and being lame
i still have a few batsus to watch with friends, not many left now
I've only seen until season 4 since I've been torrenting them but I must say go straight to season 2 the first one isn't that good.
and yes, there is a lot of gags where they get so desperate that they resort to playing with their genitals, pretty amazing experience.
One day you're going to realize the number of poorgay Black folk on this board and the number of pirates are suspiciously high in correlation.
If someone pirated my game and is not employed, and doesn't have much money for entertainment, I am indifferent. However, got an income? Gonna play my game for more than 2 hours? If you pirate it, your life will become measurably worse. It's a sign you are headed for failure in all areas of your being. Why do people not get this? I was actually in denial about this last year. Was in utter despair when people played this game so much, and pirated it so much. The pain I felt when a friend on Twitter posted that he played the game for "three weeks" (seriously, this is what he claimed), compared to me not having played the game since launch. So he didn't buy it? Wtf. I live in China. I work long hours, because I am unemployed (and so I'm not spending my money there). Getting my bachelor's degree so I can work to support myself was one of my greatest accomplishments in life. So, the thought of someone not giving a flying frick about my game, for any reason at all? I wanted to die. How do I ever win this game, against the people who don't give a damn about it? Even if I manage to sell 100,000 copies, it will be a small drop in a sea of people who bought the game, and will continue to enjoy it. I'm sad that the game has given me so much pleasure over the years. I'm sad that it's ended up failing at what I wanted it to be.
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And we don't get any respite from it until Gabe Newell from Valve gets involved. Newell claims that making games isn't like other industries:
Gabe Newell says piracy is inevitable as games become digital downloads: "When you buy a movie, you pay for it and can get it at any time. That system has worked for decades."
That's...oh, what, just making an analogy? Hmm. Sounds like the most "un-PC" thing he's ever said. Is this how Valve got where they are? If only he'd stick to making video games.
every indie dev has pirated games/software, and every indie dev knows some of us are too poor to buy games. ask any indie dev their opinions on piracy, and most will say they're cool with it. and then you have devs like CD Poject Red who will release a cracked version of the game themselves (something they did with Cyberflunk)
I pirate every video game that I can, if I really like it I will buy it. I do not buy that many video games.
horror games for this feel?
https://www.gakiarchives.com/video/14
Why would I pay for anything I can download for free
Hell I even pirate free games if they require some bullshit program to run them like steam
the one where hosei gets raped with dildos in the bathroom by black dudes is great comedy huh
I got no money homie.