A game I didn't give a fair shake back when it released and came to enjoy years later when I approached it with an open mind.
Still will never forgive myself for selling my Saturn to pay for it, though.
...abysmal.
...an anti-game.
...too much like VII, but done worse.
...the worst game ever made until 2016.
...alright if Squall is dead due to gameplay/story integration.
...in dire need of removing Rinoa or removing everything but Rinoa.
I genuinely like the game except Rinoa. And what's sad is you could remove her and none of the main plot would change. And Squall's personality would improve, because he already got over his insecurities and loner tenancies in the middle of Disk 2. He actually REGRESSES in Disk 3 because of Rinoa.
>because he already got over his insecurities and loner tenancies in the middle of Disk 2
I think your hatred is causing retroactive blindness. And even without changing Squall's character arc entirely, Rinoa is central to the party's plan to fight Ultimecia. Plus she's the one who sets the whole plot in motion by hiring the team in the first place.
>And even without changing Squall's character arc entirely, Rinoa is central to the party's plan to fight Ultimecia.
How? She's not the sorceress. Edea already tells Squall and co about the Sorceress and prepares them for the fight. They don't need Rinoa. >Plus she's the one who sets the whole plot in motion by hiring the team in the first place.
Timber Owls is a side quest that doesn't have anything to do with the main plot. It's her father hiring you to assassinate Edea which gets the first main connection to the Sorceress plot. And he'd still do that even if Rinoa never existed. Rinoa being a spoiled brat who keeps trying to "revolt" just causes problems for her father (and your team, locking you in a room so you almost fail the plan).
Again, retroactive blindness. They need Rinoa to be the host of Ultimecia after they kill Adel, no one else can fulfill this role.
And the plot is the point A to point B of the story, the Timber Owls hiring the party is part of the plot. It may not have much story relevance, but it is the plot, and a change in the plot is a change in the plot, you can't just say it doesn't count.
Running on that logic, Adel and Ultamecia would never have been a threat if Rinoa wasn't there to awaken them. She's used as a plot device in everything.
And while you keep trying to act like I'm looking at it with blinders on, you're doing the same thing. Arguing the plot has to happen in the exact order they wrote it. But that's not true. The original author (Nojima) could have written the whole thing without Rinoa, if she hadn't been forced onto the project by Kitase demanding a love story. They would have just thought of a million other possible ways to get Squall and co to fight the sorceress. Like oh I donno, some kind of time travel mechanic tied to Squall and Laguna...who had been communicating through time the whole game through Ellone, not Rinoa. But once Disk 3 hits, suddenly Ellone can conveniently only manipulate time in one direction...riiiight. Totally amazing writing. Would make far more sense that either she could manipulate time in both directions or Ellone was the sorceress successor. But nope, Rinoa is the key to everything because Kitase said so!
You're the one who claimed "none of the main plot would change" while simultaneously conceding that changes would have to be made. You can just dislike a character you know, you don't have to post stupid and wrong things alongside it.
What would ever give you the impression that Ellone could send people to the future? Or that Laguna was "communicating" with Squall? To Laguna and co. the party's presence is a completely mysterious phenomenon they refer to as "the faeries"
2 years ago
Anonymous
>What would ever give you the impression that Ellone could send people to the future?
She's able to link people's consciousness to the past. Why is she only able to do this one direction? Because if she could do it in the future, Squall and co could link to someone's mind in the future and fight the Sorceress that way. And there would be no need for Rinoa or Adel. In other words, they ran into a plot hole. And wrote some plot convenience to limit Ellone's powers to only go into the past. Aka bad writing. >Or that Laguna was "communicating" with Squall?
You can try to play semantics all you want. But the definition of communication is "the imparting or exchanging of information or news." That's literally what Squall is doing, through Ellone. And again, if Ellone could do this in the opposite direction, Rinoa wouldn't be needed. They had to write a ton of exceptions and really silly plot points to fit Rinoa into the story. Where it would have only taken one extra step to get Ellone to do everything Rinoa needed a disk and a half of plot exceptions to work.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Aka bad writing
AKA nit picky bullshit, which is all you seem to know. It works that way because that's the way it was written. While there are commonly-accepted "rules" of writing about time travel, "if someone has powers over the past, they must also have powers over the future" is not one of them. All instances of time travel in FF8 are about the past, and trying to change the past, that's what the game is about. You not liking that is not bad writing. >if Ellone could do this in the opposite direction, Rinoa wouldn't be needed.
That's still not true, because she doesn't know Ultimecia or anyone else from Ultimecia's time, so there wouldn't be a target to send the party to. And it's even doubly not true because her powers don't allow tampering with time, just observation.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It works that way because that's the way it was written.
Death of the author. >You not liking that is not bad writing.
You defending it doesn't mean it's good writing.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Death of the author.
Death of the author is relating to interpretations of text (and whether there is a "correct" way), it has nothing to do with you wishing a premise of this story was written a different way.
People seeing Rinoa as Ultimecia would be where you could cite death of the author, this is just you being a moron, something I'm now completely certain of.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Death of the author is relating to interpretations of text
Gee, it's almost like I said that because I was pointing out that exact thing. To contrast your absolute that " It works that way because that's the way it was written." Which is one side of the debate, that the author's view is absolute.
2 years ago
Anonymous
It is an absolute because it's part of the character's premise, it's not open to any sort of interpretation. It's as factual as me saying "Squall was an orphan." You can't just say "uhh, excuse me, death of the author, he wasn't an orphan :)"
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's as factual as me saying "Squall was an orphan." You can't just say "uhh, excuse me, death of the author, he wasn't an orphan :)"
That was my never my argument. My argument is that they had to write a lot of really dumb plot convenience to make Rinoa fit in the plot. And yes, I get your argument is that the author wrote it that way so it's a "fact." But that doesn't mean it was the best writing. Just as any person can point out a dozen different ways you could improve the Star Wars movies by removing plot convenience and bad ideas, you can do the same with many FF scripts. FF8 is actually one of the better ones that doesn't require this...until Disk 3.
You fricking idiot, it was Quistis's fault they got locked in that room. Why the frick does everyone blame Rinoa when Quistis is the one that abandoned the mission and dragged Zell and Selphie back to go apologise? All that Rinos did was say "Hey, I found an anti-sorceress item in my dad's stuff" and then decide she didn't want to be imprisoned in the mansion.
It's close to midnight and something evil's lurkin' in the dark~
Under the moonlight you see a sight that almost stops your heart!
You try to scream but terror takes the sound before you make it...
You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes,
You're paralyzed!!!
Was my first rpg so it has a special place in my heart. I won’t forget being a kid with my heart in my hands trying to run away from the giant robo spider, or watching a GF animation for the first time, or successfully doing a badass Renzouzuken on a freaking T-rex in floating Garden. It was my first game with such an epic score that all of its OST are seared into my brain, even the orchestra piece that was the Sorceress’ theme.
I can still picture the rinoa and squall dance scene.
The story is wonky as shit and Squall is a pansy ass loser lucky enough to be born with a pretty face, but 8 year old me was enamoured by that edgy butthole.
Ff8 was to me what ff7 was to everyone else as I only played 7 in my twenties.
n
The best jrpg ever made
carried by its OST
yup
That's Final Fantasy after it hit the PlayStation in general.
Carried is a strong word.
a Game
An interesting game
...playable in Linux.
A game I didn't give a fair shake back when it released and came to enjoy years later when I approached it with an open mind.
Still will never forgive myself for selling my Saturn to pay for it, though.
… a game that tries to fix what isn’t broken, creating new problems in the process
a mess
🙂
Not that bad. Drawing is just a stupid mechanic.
loved by morons
Better thanX
great when you use the built-in cheats to speedup the drawing shit
If you draw in battle other than GFs, you're failing.
a game that has a shitty battle system yet is still the best in the series
...abysmal.
...an anti-game.
...too much like VII, but done worse.
...the worst game ever made until 2016.
...alright if Squall is dead due to gameplay/story integration.
...in dire need of removing Rinoa or removing everything but Rinoa.
...a good game until Disk 3.
My favourite Final Fantasy, and a flawed yet enjoyable game.
a game which filtered morons with the Junctioning system, which requires one sentence to summarize and comprehend
one of the biggest pleb filters on playstation
What's the point of this gif?
not to trust your eyes because most people are looking at the game all wrong
motherfrickers are lizards
double gay.
I genuinely like the game except Rinoa. And what's sad is you could remove her and none of the main plot would change. And Squall's personality would improve, because he already got over his insecurities and loner tenancies in the middle of Disk 2. He actually REGRESSES in Disk 3 because of Rinoa.
>because he already got over his insecurities and loner tenancies in the middle of Disk 2
I think your hatred is causing retroactive blindness. And even without changing Squall's character arc entirely, Rinoa is central to the party's plan to fight Ultimecia. Plus she's the one who sets the whole plot in motion by hiring the team in the first place.
>And even without changing Squall's character arc entirely, Rinoa is central to the party's plan to fight Ultimecia.
How? She's not the sorceress. Edea already tells Squall and co about the Sorceress and prepares them for the fight. They don't need Rinoa.
>Plus she's the one who sets the whole plot in motion by hiring the team in the first place.
Timber Owls is a side quest that doesn't have anything to do with the main plot. It's her father hiring you to assassinate Edea which gets the first main connection to the Sorceress plot. And he'd still do that even if Rinoa never existed. Rinoa being a spoiled brat who keeps trying to "revolt" just causes problems for her father (and your team, locking you in a room so you almost fail the plan).
Again, retroactive blindness. They need Rinoa to be the host of Ultimecia after they kill Adel, no one else can fulfill this role.
And the plot is the point A to point B of the story, the Timber Owls hiring the party is part of the plot. It may not have much story relevance, but it is the plot, and a change in the plot is a change in the plot, you can't just say it doesn't count.
Running on that logic, Adel and Ultamecia would never have been a threat if Rinoa wasn't there to awaken them. She's used as a plot device in everything.
And while you keep trying to act like I'm looking at it with blinders on, you're doing the same thing. Arguing the plot has to happen in the exact order they wrote it. But that's not true. The original author (Nojima) could have written the whole thing without Rinoa, if she hadn't been forced onto the project by Kitase demanding a love story. They would have just thought of a million other possible ways to get Squall and co to fight the sorceress. Like oh I donno, some kind of time travel mechanic tied to Squall and Laguna...who had been communicating through time the whole game through Ellone, not Rinoa. But once Disk 3 hits, suddenly Ellone can conveniently only manipulate time in one direction...riiiight. Totally amazing writing. Would make far more sense that either she could manipulate time in both directions or Ellone was the sorceress successor. But nope, Rinoa is the key to everything because Kitase said so!
You're the one who claimed "none of the main plot would change" while simultaneously conceding that changes would have to be made. You can just dislike a character you know, you don't have to post stupid and wrong things alongside it.
What would ever give you the impression that Ellone could send people to the future? Or that Laguna was "communicating" with Squall? To Laguna and co. the party's presence is a completely mysterious phenomenon they refer to as "the faeries"
>What would ever give you the impression that Ellone could send people to the future?
She's able to link people's consciousness to the past. Why is she only able to do this one direction? Because if she could do it in the future, Squall and co could link to someone's mind in the future and fight the Sorceress that way. And there would be no need for Rinoa or Adel. In other words, they ran into a plot hole. And wrote some plot convenience to limit Ellone's powers to only go into the past. Aka bad writing.
>Or that Laguna was "communicating" with Squall?
You can try to play semantics all you want. But the definition of communication is "the imparting or exchanging of information or news." That's literally what Squall is doing, through Ellone. And again, if Ellone could do this in the opposite direction, Rinoa wouldn't be needed. They had to write a ton of exceptions and really silly plot points to fit Rinoa into the story. Where it would have only taken one extra step to get Ellone to do everything Rinoa needed a disk and a half of plot exceptions to work.
>Aka bad writing
AKA nit picky bullshit, which is all you seem to know. It works that way because that's the way it was written. While there are commonly-accepted "rules" of writing about time travel, "if someone has powers over the past, they must also have powers over the future" is not one of them. All instances of time travel in FF8 are about the past, and trying to change the past, that's what the game is about. You not liking that is not bad writing.
>if Ellone could do this in the opposite direction, Rinoa wouldn't be needed.
That's still not true, because she doesn't know Ultimecia or anyone else from Ultimecia's time, so there wouldn't be a target to send the party to. And it's even doubly not true because her powers don't allow tampering with time, just observation.
>It works that way because that's the way it was written.
Death of the author.
>You not liking that is not bad writing.
You defending it doesn't mean it's good writing.
>Death of the author.
Death of the author is relating to interpretations of text (and whether there is a "correct" way), it has nothing to do with you wishing a premise of this story was written a different way.
People seeing Rinoa as Ultimecia would be where you could cite death of the author, this is just you being a moron, something I'm now completely certain of.
>Death of the author is relating to interpretations of text
Gee, it's almost like I said that because I was pointing out that exact thing. To contrast your absolute that " It works that way because that's the way it was written." Which is one side of the debate, that the author's view is absolute.
It is an absolute because it's part of the character's premise, it's not open to any sort of interpretation. It's as factual as me saying "Squall was an orphan." You can't just say "uhh, excuse me, death of the author, he wasn't an orphan :)"
>It's as factual as me saying "Squall was an orphan." You can't just say "uhh, excuse me, death of the author, he wasn't an orphan :)"
That was my never my argument. My argument is that they had to write a lot of really dumb plot convenience to make Rinoa fit in the plot. And yes, I get your argument is that the author wrote it that way so it's a "fact." But that doesn't mean it was the best writing. Just as any person can point out a dozen different ways you could improve the Star Wars movies by removing plot convenience and bad ideas, you can do the same with many FF scripts. FF8 is actually one of the better ones that doesn't require this...until Disk 3.
You fricking idiot, it was Quistis's fault they got locked in that room. Why the frick does everyone blame Rinoa when Quistis is the one that abandoned the mission and dragged Zell and Selphie back to go apologise? All that Rinos did was say "Hey, I found an anti-sorceress item in my dad's stuff" and then decide she didn't want to be imprisoned in the mansion.
Close to being very, very good, but coming in at just okay due to the poor balancing.
whatever
>Final Fantasy VIII is...
filled with spectacular music.
a thriller.
It's close to midnight and something evil's lurkin' in the dark~
Under the moonlight you see a sight that almost stops your heart!
You try to scream but terror takes the sound before you make it...
You start to freeze as horror looks you right between the eyes,
You're paralyzed!!!
The best love story in vidya
a good card game
ludokino
have a nice day YOU FRICKING BORING SCHIZOS
Welcome to Final Fantasy.
bad
Final Fantasy VIII is like the dead horse that everyone likes to beat even though the game is decent and the world much better than FF7.
Better than 9
Trash.
filth
>wrestling fans hate FF8
probably the best indicator that the game is for actual intellectuals
Severely overhated and a product of its time
Amazing (especially considering how deeply flawed the gameplay is).
A game with talking cats.
Carried entirely by its OST and Triple Triad to the point where progressing the story was just an excuse to find more rare cards.
You play handheld games, don't you?
No. VIII was just dull but had the greatest minigame of all time.
a game that i never played
Was my first rpg so it has a special place in my heart. I won’t forget being a kid with my heart in my hands trying to run away from the giant robo spider, or watching a GF animation for the first time, or successfully doing a badass Renzouzuken on a freaking T-rex in floating Garden. It was my first game with such an epic score that all of its OST are seared into my brain, even the orchestra piece that was the Sorceress’ theme.
I can still picture the rinoa and squall dance scene.
The story is wonky as shit and Squall is a pansy ass loser lucky enough to be born with a pretty face, but 8 year old me was enamoured by that edgy butthole.
Ff8 was to me what ff7 was to everyone else as I only played 7 in my twenties.