Why are competitive video game players so pathetic?
>This year's Pokémon World Championship tournament saw organisers disqualify multiple pros using hacked Pokémon teams, sparking debate across the community.
>Using hacked Pokémon is technically against the rules, but players haven't always been caught. However, at this year's tournament in Yokohama, Japan, the rules were seemingly tightened and many players who travelled across the world were disqualified.
https://www.eurogamer.net/pokemon-world-championships-disqualifies-pros-with-hacked-creatures-sparking-community-debate
Are hacked teams just boosted to be good and could be achieved by grinding or are they somehow better than what people can achieve by grinding?
They basically just skip the breeding grind. But that's part of being a trainer so I support this.
I dont know the game so I cant comment. I do think peoples time should be respected somewhat.
Basically individual pokemon have partially hidden stat values that determine stat growth. So one Pikachu won't be identical to another Pikachu. You have to spend time breeding to get one with the perfect stat values and ability set if you want to be competitive. It used to take forever but nowadays it takes like an hour tops so they're just being b***hes.
>so no one pikachu will be identical
They will be identical there is just a range of variance. However there is 1 of 2 or 3 ideals (maxxed stats, min speed, some weird meme build)
It's a bit of a mess. Pokemon genes are fairly obfuscated from the player in most games. And have a very tiny effect on the overall stats.
But min-maxing is insane. Especially with speed. Sometimes you actually want a mon that's just a hair slower so it will act second in certain matchups.
All pokemon can have a random extra value tacked onto each stat, at level 100 it ranges from 0 to 31 points which can be pretty significant.
Pokemon can inherit these stats from their parents but it's not guaranteed so it's really just a tedious process, many of the games have ways to get more favorable outcomes. Personally I wouldn't blame anyone for hacking to skip it, outside of a tourney ruling against it I guess.
you some kind of radical centrist ? we want none of that here
This guy has done videos timing out how long it takes him to make competitive teams on a bunch of different pokemon games from different gens
They are pretty neat to watch. tl;dw, it's pretty bad taking 16 hours after beating the game, but used to be way worse.
NOOOOOOO DON'T POST ACTUAL PROOF. I CAN'T WHITEKNIGHT FOR THE CORPORATION IF I GET REFUTED
If all they did was skip the grind, but the Pokemon has 100% naturally achievable stats and moves, how can anybody tell it's hacked?
There's a lot of random info stored in a pokemon's data, you have to do it right to not get caught.
Unironically balltism
The ball the mons in can be a dead ringer if it's obtained legitimately or not
morons don't know how to edit their pokemon using pkhex so they are easily caught with their hacked shit.
Like
said, balltism is one of them. Only certain event Pokemon can even have a Cherish Ball, Enamorous for example can only be caught in PLA balls whereas Kleavor, Liligant, and Ursaluna could technically have whatever ball you want if you breed their lower versions in SV then transfer them to PLA to evolve them. Back in the day Dream Balls were a very simple way of showing a Pokemon was hacked.
Someone found a guy had a hacked Urshifu (I think it might be OP's guy) because it had memories of a move it learned in either SWSH or SV where it can't learn it even though in the other game it can use it.
If you don't have the Pokemon Home checkmark (Which you can't tell it has unless you're looking at it on Home or through PKHex) on foreign Pokemon in SV like Heatran, Urshifu, PLA Pokemon, etc and they're not something you can breed then they're hacked.
If you don't have the return Pokemon Home checkmark (It knows if you traded it to one game then back apparently) that's another.
If you don't have its capture location correct that's a sign.
If you get certain Pokemon with the incorrect parameters that's a sign. Very basic example is Mews caught via the Nugget Bridge glitch on VC can't be transferred to Bank because it doesn't have the event trainer name or ID, you have to name yourself GF and then use ACE or PKHex on it to make it legit to resemble the event one.
If you get certain Pokemon with stats they can't legitimately have that's another one, I think PLA is an example where Pokemon like Enamorous can't have 0 IVs in Speed? I can't remember what the explanation was. Perfect IV Pokemon from Colosseum/GoD are an example because it legitimately can't be done due to some glitch, same deal with gen 2 shiny VC Pokemon since to be shiny they required certain DVs to be shiny at all.
these are all easily avoided if you just don't cheat
each pokemon unironically has a md5 or some sort of metadata, a fuzz of nebulous info. when a pokemon is made from a trainer, that value is a default empty field of 000000000000 because no one cares to spoof it properly
btw i’m speaking out of my ass
No that's bullshit. Breeding is dependent on a ridiculous amount of RNG and trial and error to achieve optimum IV stats AND a beneficial nature, let alone the specific nature you need. Then on top of that you need to autistically focus on leveling up by fighting specific pokemon and completely avoiding others to get optimum EVs. They either need to allow hacked mons or remove bullshit mechanics like EVs and IVs completely. The time investment and tedium required to get even a single viable competitive pokemon ready through "legitimate" means is completely absurd. NOBODY and I mean NOBODY would play competitive pokemon at all if it weren't for the plethora of shortcuts like hacking and battle simulators that bring you to the baseline required to actually play the game.
>Breeding is dependent on a ridiculous amount of RNG and trial and error to achieve optimum IV stats AND a beneficial nature,
Eh, it hasn't been much of an issue since they let you breed down ivs not to mention bottle caps.
Hell they had a ditto raid event not too long ago so pretty much everyone has a six IV ditto.
Bullshit they made everything easier in t he recent gens with mints, bottle caps and even items to seal abilities. The only thing you absolutely need to breed for is egg moves and 0 IV Spe/Atk
>muh bottle caps
Some mons benefit from low IVs on SPD, like Aegislash. You fricking poser moron.
And was he caught on one of these special Pokemon?
Which you can easily get by just doing Ditto raids until you get a Ditto with 0 in Speed or Attack because you're only guaranteed three perfect IVs for raid Pokemon. It's a joke to get competitive Pokemon in SV, hell, you HAVE to get competitive Pokemon in SV to solo raids if you don't want to pay for online and setting up a Pokemon takes like two to three hours max, I've had to do it multiple times. I had to pull a perfect Miraidon out of my ass to get a Walking Wake because I didn't realize I could just join on a Scarlet user online and I had a free trial going at the time that was about to wear out later in the day.
People hacking in Pokemon in SV and SWSH have no excuse, it takes nothing at all. I've even gotten three Ability Capsules in raids at times.
>He doesn't have a dozen of hacked Dittos from the Gen 5 days sitting on Home prison waiting to be used on a new region
NGMI.
Absolutely based.
I still have a shiny lvl 100 ditto that had pokerus from some japanese guy browsing a long dead forum.
Thinking about it, I hope I still have a mon that has it.
Is even easier than that, remember that on SwSh wondertrade was filled with bots giving away hacked mons, I got too much good shit those days, I haven't played SV since I completed the dex so I can't say if it is the same.
I did a lot of wonder trading in SV and didn't get that many, they're not as common as SWSH. I got a shiny Meowscarada that I was very happy with though, and they were good enough not to give it a fricking nickname.
SV wonder trade gets you one hacked perfect shiny or legendary every 20-30 trades or so, typically the starters or Paradox mons. But the idiots use stuff like "Igennedthispokemon.xyz" as the name and OT to point to their website where you pay for genning them so they'd never be usable in the first place.
>SV wonder trade gets you one hacked perfect shiny or legendary every 20-30 trades or so
Those perfect IV pokemon are hacked in by someone else you moron.
Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.
I'm saying that if you want to do it just from the newest version it's a joke, it gets even easier if you pull Pokemon from older gens in, including older hacked ones. You can even use Normal sandwiches to force Ditto encounters where they spawn and then just catch like 30-50 of them (Maybe an hour) until you find one that says it has a 0 in what you need.
EVs are way dumber than IVs IMO, grinding out specific pokemon to minmax your stats is such a dumb process
Alternatively they should do something like Dragon Quest Monsters, so like if you breed two high level pokemon the new pokemon would just have stats naturally closer to the cap.
>grinding out specific pokemon to minmax your stats is such a dumb process
You don't even have to do that anymore. Vitamins don't cap out at 100 in SV
You no longer need to do most of what you said. You can get 5 max stats guaranteed on every egg, and you can change the nature with items. (It is however more beneficial to get the nature naturally because then they can breed it on, the nature changing items do not actually alter their original nature, they just change the stats to another nature's). There's hardly any RNG now.
Yeah Id you want to practice there’s Smogon. Just spend a weekend making your finalized team when you’re confidant
That sounds a lot more reasonable, but it's still an unnecessary waste of time. My advice to the crying competitors would still be to get better at hacking discretely.
It's hard to frick up hacks too, the hacking program everyone uses gives you a big red X if it's wrong, and the bots available online to trade the hacks to yourself won't allow a red X file to go through. So if they got a really bad hack, then they would've also had to go to the trouble of injecting it themselves, which I think requires a modded Switch (which they would not have been able to bring to the tournament). However I think what got them is the HOME tracker number as described here
, I believe the hacking program does not give you a red X for a missing Pokemon tracking number, because it can't set one itself. Your Pokemon has to be transferred into HOME to receive its tracking number.
>My advice to the crying competitors would still be to get better at hacking discretely.
The kicker is that they could have just hacked in the items they needed and made legit pokemon with the stats they needed.
It's very easy to follow the rules and not hack things that aren't possible. People are just purists. I see what they mean but the grind is why Competitive Pokemon is so shit. Perfect IVs and Nature? So fricking gay.
They are legit pokemon entirely possible to get legally in like 3-4 hours of irl grinding. It's both incredibly stupid that morons wouldn't go through the minimal effort to make legit mons and also stupid to disqualify people for mechanically legit mons.
It's more than 4 hours of grinding to get a good pokemon with good IVs.
There are over 300 pokemon (not counting evolutions).
Many competitive pokemon that child you thought were common actually have a 1/20 appearance rate in wild encounters.
Many pokemon are only good when they have a hidden ability which only shows up in events and such.
Most od them you can get with like, what, an hour of grinding?
You don't have to breed anything anymore after all so they're just hacking because it's what they're used to.
>an hour of grinding?
some can be fricking days.
>predates SV
In pre gen 7 games I suppose you'd be correcr but with the advent of bottle caps and mints even one hour is slow given how easy they are too obtain.
In addition with raids obtaining 5/6iv breeders is way too easy if you really want to take the long way.
Frick, I still remember getting perfect IV/EVs in gen 3, looking back that was a complete waste of time.
If the point is battling then people should be allowed to skip that shit
The point is to raise a team to battle. Not just battling.
It can potentially take hundreds of hours to breed a fully optimized pokemon team. I'm not even exaggerating.
Ever since they added destiny knot inheritance to the game in gen 6 became easier than ever but with caps and such the need to do so has been completely eliminated unless you want to add a personal touch to your pokemon.
Getting a 5-6 IV min in gen six took around a few hours and that’s off you were only maki my one at a time
>the need to do so has been completely eliminated
see
moron confirmed for not playing the game.
the only things you hack pokemon for are 0 ivs since hidden power isn't a thing
but you only need a 0 atk and/or 0 spd parent (ditto) for any of those cases that aren't legendary/mythic
The thing is most pros have legions of simps who do the hard work and grinding of IVs and breeding for them and just send them the mons for their teams so they get away with not hacking or doing the actual grind.
This is why I believe there should just be a showdown mode in the games already where you just make and save virtual teams.
Can be achieved by grinding. If you know exactly what you're looking to do, you can probably grind out a team in a few days, a week tops. But if you ever want to experiment and do something new or make changes, good fricking luck. Hacking in mons for this is fine as long as its achievable ingame.
their mons are fabricated, unreal, sovlless
real trainers breed dozens of pokemon and discard the rejects who are just barely not perfect.. that is what pokemon is really about
>real trainers
Is that what they call good goyim now?
They're better in that they can get all the pokemon they need in a couple clicks compared to other participants who legitimately pour in days to get the same result. Doesn't matter though, these people were moronic to use hacks in a tournament that explicitly states "don't use hacks".
>Why are competitive video game players so pathetic?
>nooo! you have to breed grind for 1000 hours for those competitive pokemon!
Breeding in the new pokemon isn't even hard. Nor is it time consuming. The longest part is egg moves since you can buy items that edit IV's and natures. Hell, theres an item to give your pokemon their hidden ability. The inability to breed your pokemon now is just lazy.
>Breeding in the new pokemon isn't even hard. Nor is it time consuming
It is before you're able to get a foothold.
even if you were right, the people complaining about it are the pro's that are traveling the world and playing the game.
>even if
You have to get your hands on a perfect IV Ditto if you want to breed large amounts of Pokemon. Otherwise you're just mashing together imperfect parents and hoping the right stats stick.
>Tera raid ditto
>Always 4-5 perfect IV's
>You just have to breed the one, if youre lazy just bottle cap it.
wow, its like they knew poeple were going to complain about it.
And if you wanted one with 0 in an IV? It's a ton of grinding. And if you missed out on that event? Then frick you they're never doing it again.
>And if you missed out on that event?
Every raid gives 4-5 ivs and the mightiest mark ones are always six.
And for genderless Pokemon?
Bottlecaps, I get that you want to be right but this game is so easy for anyone to make a competitive team now. Stop being a homosexual.
Unless you want to have 0 speed, then frick you keep grinding.
Literally how many top tier Pokemon does that apply to? I bet this guy didn't even have one on his team.
Almost none, 0 ivs in speed is reserved for gimmicky trick room sets.
It applies to your entire party if you want to bring Trick Room. And 0 attack is always preferable if you're not using any physical moves.
>want to use a strategy that isn't even out of the ordinary and has its own moves and items supporting it
>can't because there is no way to do it ingame without wasting a ton of time
>Want to get money and prizes and fame from playing a game
>Doesn't want to play the game
make it make sense
>get what i need on the first encounter
>now have a marked advantage over someone else just because i rolled the dice outside of battle and got something handed to me
They are not catchign and breeding the pokemon live an hour before the tournament. The game has been out almost a year and you're saying you didn't have time to roll a 1/32 once?
So just spend every hour of the day for a year hoping to get the correct roll?
I can literally dust off my switch, spend about 20-30 minutes and get a 0 speed IV pokemon. the game is easy too so i'm gonna watch anime too.
Then do it, homosexual. Post proof.
do you understand how moronic you sound right now? You want me to waste 20 minutes playing pokemon to prove you wrong?
Yes. It's so easy and quick, it shouldn't be any issue at all.
>Decide to do it since I'm just listening to a podcast
>Realize that I havent used my switch since a winter vacation
>Its dead
>Plug it in
>Wait a while because it cant just start
>Turn on the game
>Start catching pokemon
>Catch one iwth no speed IV's
>Look at the time
>only about 20 minutes since this post
yikes.
That's what it takes to be a champion, idiot.
>Wants to make a pokemon stat that makes no sense unless you have a specific plan or gimmick
>Its going to take time
Theres no helping you. this is such a niche want, even so just find a 0 IV ditto in speed since apparently you can't find any ditto's with IV's
>It is before you're able to get a foothold.
Which in SV is probably until you finish the game and can do raids that guarantee 5ivs.
hopefully someone runs upto this cheater filth and jams a knife into his neck and twists it
>we need RESPECT
>Only reason they got caught is because of the missing HOME ribbons
kek if that's the only requirement then it will only take a few more minutes to make a legal team
I was wondering what they fricked up. It was really just the Ribbons?
I mean I get it that editing ribbons is a pain in the ass but if I was actually going to a location for a competition I'd go through my Pokemon with a fine toothed comb or pay somebody else a little money to go through them.
Sounds like they half assed it and Game Freak happened to decide to stop half assing their hack check.
>pay somebody else a little money to go through them.
he did, the person he paid to gen was lazy though
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND
JAPANESE PLAYERS HAVE GIVEN THEMSELVES AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE BY NOT CHEATING
THE GAME IS MADE FOR PEOPLE WHO PLAY THE GAME AT THE EXPENSE OF PEOPLE WHO DON'T PLAY THE GAME
>people who put their hearts and soul
>literally is using cheats to skip almost all "effort"
Pot, meet Kettle. Kettle, meet this moron.
>they have the advantage because they don't hack, you don't understand, we HAVE to hack!
I don't even agree with banning hacked mons because they're mechanically legitimate and you're just skipping a formation process that is 100% irrelevant to the competitive scene but he's making me happy that these hack checks are going through for saying moronic shit like this when he could just spend 3/4 hours and not hack the exact same as asiatics
The simple fact of the matter is that most professional video gamers are fricking stupid when it comes to matters other than being good at their game. Over and over and over in these situations they prove they cannot follow simple logic.
>professional video gamers are fricking stupid
They're corporate prostitutes who will do anything for dat sweet sponsorship dough. What did you expect?
cheating means youre not good nor a pro, just a cheater
Indeed.
i mean, yes
youre literally eliminating competition for native players, its borderline match-fixing
it isnt a test of skill anymore but a test of who can be most loyal to the corporation
licky licky boot-san
Don't hack. Its that simple. Do the process legitimately and you're in. That's it. You don't spend the time crafting your pokemon properly you're out. Spend the time. That's the requirement for not getting bounced. SPEND THE TIME. What the frick is so hard to understand? Are you just fricking lazy? Well that's one of the requirements, not being lazy. SPEND THE TIME, homosexual
I have nothing but contempt for cheaters
they are ALL like this
whiny b***hy crybabies and then when they cheat and win they try to shove it in your face at every possible opportunity and call you a shitter
meanwhile this crybaby shit where they claim you have an unfair advantage by not cheating, is what they're actually like underneath the tough guy act
anyone who cheats is garbage inside and out
If there wasn't a hack check, you wouldn't even be able to tell a Pokemon is cheated. Get a grip.
Breeding and EV training got stupidly easy after gen6. Guys like him are somehow still stuck in the gen3 mindset where you'd spend weeks breeding for right IVs and hoping that you won't frick up any EV training afterwards.
There are items to max IVs and get Hidden Abilities now. There's no excuse.
Apparently you still need a lot of resets to get specific IVs and like 50 tera crystal shards for each of your Pokemon, and it's a pain to grind.
Basically, Game Freak made grinding more easy on some parts...and bad for other important parameters, so despite the years, it's still annoying to get a complete team and hours must still be spent for team building.
The thing is japanese players are crazy devoted and them playing the game and grinding and testing night and day is not an issue.
Western players don't spend that much time building and take the back door, but this time the door got shut tight.
The state of the game will definitely never change anyway. There were still be hackers and they just have to be really careful from now on, some people saw the last minute check and they didn't got caught.
If I ever were going to worlds, I would definitely not risk it personally, and would just grind, as annoying as it would be, but only my final team composition.
>cheat
>get caught adn DQd
>cry on Twitter
Many such cases
>pokemon pro
>MTG eliminates it's in person tourneys and goes all digital
>fiascos surrounding cheating plummet to almost 0
It's almost all cheating at these types of things. Sigma mindset (failed betas) gravitate toward cheating as a justification for being a failure.
Can't you just breed or catch the pokemon normally, then hack it to give it the stats you want? Seems pretty easy to not get caught
Isn't that barely any different from just making the pokemon from scratch? You still have to make sure all the autistic values corresponding to a bunch of random things are correct
You'd only change ivs/evs/nature, no? Since you caught it normally, all the things they check for legitimacy should already be in place I imagine, so you'd just be taking out the breeding/ev grind
That's the safest way to do it.
One of these twitter posts though specifies that a player who was banned didn't own two other Pokemon games to be able to access a legit version of the mons(Landorus from Legends Arceus, Urshifu from Sword/Shield) so they traded with someone who hadn't done their due diligence when editing things.
They were most likely caught for this reason:
>a number of the current meta staple Pokemon in Scarlet & Violet originate from Pokemon Legends Arceus (eg. Ursaluna) or from Pokemon Sword & Shield (eg. Urshifu).
>several of these Pokemon cannot be bred or caught in Scarlet and Violet (eg. Enamorus, Urshifu) and would need to originate from Legends Arceus or from Sword & Shield.
>this means they need to be transferred from these other games to Scarlet & Violet via Pokemon HOME.
>when a Pokemon is transferred to Pokemon HOME it receives a unique tracking number, this is used to keep track of it (and also keep track of extra data like the different movesets it has in each game)
>what most likely happened is that they hacked some of these Pokemon and inserted them directly into Scarlet & Violet, without ever picking up a tracking number (a Pokemon that has never been to Pokemon HOME just has a blank tracking number). Their game of origin and where they were caught would be correctly hacked, but even if that is all correct the lack of a tracking number immediately confirms they are hacked.
>they also probably could've gotten away with this by just sending them into Pokemon HOME after hacking them, and then sending them back to Scarlet & Violet with a tracking number now applied.
>You will own nothing, and you will be happy
This is only step 1
good. you should form a bond with your team. they shouldnt be treated like numbers and nothing more to be easily switched out to another number.
Reading this makes me want to get back into Pokemon.
I'm in you son of a b***h.
so many effort, much cry
How do you even prove that its hacked and not that you autistically grinded
There are pretty basic checks, like illegal stats or a non-gen9 poke not having a home flag
They set the wrong flags like having a Pokemon be caught in a route that doesn't have them or setting the wrong game they were caught in.
Because of the home ID. There are pokemon that can only be in SV if someone transferred them through home from another game. When they are traded through home they get a home ID.
Instead morons injected them directly into SV so they never got that ID.
Missing a ribbon he should of had
Player's urshifu did not have home tags that identified it had been transfered from pokemom home
Idiot probably forgot to enable some minor flag when genning the Pokemon that it's supposed to have.
Pokemon is israeli and creates Pokemon Home as a required paid subscription to move pokemon between gens. This is also the same push behind the dex cuts. Basically every new game will not have access to the full amount of pokemon they live in home instead. Then at an arbitrary date pokemon says lol this list of pokemon can now migrate from home to the newest title. So if you use pokemon from say Gen 7 that are not native to SV but made the whitelist the only legal way it gets from sun and moon into SV is through Home. Thus requiring you to pay the pokeisraelite an annual subscription for the privilege of composing a competitive team beyond what is in the current gen. Euro's especially don't ever frick around with this bs and just cheat in teams with legal stats rather than breed, train, or pay the pokemon home israelite.
>and creates Pokemon Home as a required paid subscription
Home is free to use.
There are a lot of ways.
Pokémon keep track of where they have been. If it was a pokemon that could only be caught in a specific game and didn't have the virtual paper trail to back it up it would be outed as fake.
Certain combinations of moves and abilities require raising the pokemon through several games.
>Missed a chance to end his rant with, "Trans LIVES MATTER"
Isn't it really fast in modern Pokemon to make a competitive one? The most annoying thing I imagine is getting a 0IV in a stat but the rest seems super easy now
It still takes hours
so you're going to go to some pokemon world champions or whatever, but can't spare couple hours to prepare for it?
i've no idea about modern pokemon or pokemon world championships in general, but that just sounds so fricking low effort. like why even bother.
sounds like some open tournament that anyone can participate if they pay the probably expensive sign up fee. then half are morons who google what is good pokemon, then use 5 minutes in some program to create it and be like "oh yeah i'm ready for the world championships"
>The most annoying thing I imagine is getting a 0IV in a stat
Literally no one has done this at VGC lately
Only homosexuals screeching about muh 0 IV Pokemon are cheaters themselves
No one is playing the Pokemon that need 0 IVs because they aren't good in the meta
>NO GOY IT'S NOT META THEREFORE IT DOESN'T COUNT
kys.
>ITS CHEATING BECAUSE I SAY SO
see response above.
I'll keep enjoying my mew I got by abusing glitches in 3DS RBY which is 100% legal
ESL moment.
it is but people are really lazy
No one breeds their owm pokemon. If they aren't injecting they have some clique of morons that breeds for them. Thatsaplus1 might breed his own for content but he's a gay with no results anyway.
>nervous giggle because 14 year old kid
>holy shit you just laughed at the idea of being asked your fricking heckin pronouns you cisgender piece of shit?!?!?!
hopefully they die
How do you find out if someone had hacked mons? I hacked in the past back in the 3ds days but as far as I know pretty much as long as you don't do shit like illegal moves/abilities on mons your mons would pass as legit?
If it's not native to the game then...
If it's legit it should have a Home Tracker (you cannot generate this unless you put it into Home from it's original game)
funny thing illegal ribbons are ok if they have a home ID and allowed online
A few year ago some guy used a pokemon in some special ball.
I think it was a dream ball. And that combination was impossible. While he could have breed it, the rules stated that offspring of hacked mons also count as hacked.
If you're autistic enough to play competitive Pokémon, you obviously don't respect yourself and should be disqualified for not being autistic enough to grind out your team.
Hacking is cheating
The whole ev/iv thing is still silly and stupid
>rules say don't inject shit
>inject shit
>be surprised when you get disqualified
I haven't played since 6th gen but haven't they made it moronicly easy to breed shit you want now?
Now what do you do about legendaries?
You play on showdown vs angry children that only play teams of legendaries and call you Black person when you win instead or just stop playing shitty modern pokemon.
Legendaries nowadays come with 3 random max stats and you can use bottle caps to max out the stats that aren't perfect. Bottle caps are cheap, I think they're 20,000 in Scarlet & Violet which means they cost as much as two HP Ups.
It is, there's only a few fringe cases like wanting a specific 0 speed legendary where you can run into difficulty (but not greater difficulty than you would have faced in gen 6), anything else is easy to get once you have the game they're from, and even if you're just starting out as long as you have friends that have already picked up breeding items/max IV Dittos they can trade you it's just as easy.
Ive literally bred 10+ "competitive" Pokemon (perfect IVs, perfect nature, perfect EVs, grinding for best held items for each) in Clover and Unbound. If I do it in some shitty rom hacks then these "pros" should 100% be doing it legit in a competitive stage
These lazy fricks. Its so easy to make a hacked pokemon be indistinguishable from 100% legit pokemon, you just have to scramble the ID and hatch point its like 2 extra clicks
>b-but I just want to save time!
Stop cheating.
>b-but I am too lazy to play fairly!
Stop cheating.
>b-but the game makes it too hard despite having 7 billion QoL improvements to help me!
Stop cheating.
>b-but no one will notice!
If I kill someone without anyone noticing, does that make it okay?
>I-Integritygay!
Yes.
>b-but you're probably bad at the game!
Stop cheating.
>b-but my friend gave this to me so I don't know if it was injected!
You stop cheating. Him stop cheating.
>b-but I got it from an egg from a hacked pokemon!
Stop cheating,
>b-but you shouldn't care if I cheat or not
Stop cheating.
>b-but I got this fair and square! I-I just happened to be at a 2009 event and got something that has only a 1/750384 chance in appearing!
Stop cheating.
>b-but you're acting like Versify!
If a moron correctly calls you moronic, then that probably means you're even more moronic than the moron.
>b-but judges let me do it!
Stop cheating.
>b-but *buzzword buzzword buzzword*
Stop cheating.
>b-but you can't act holier-than-thou! Y-You're just some random shitposter on the internet!
Stop cheating.
>c-cope!
Stop cheating.
>Y-You will never be a woman!
Stop cheating.
>D-Do you want to ban like 80% of good VGC players?! Because they're all cheaters!
Yes. they need to be reeducated and reconditioned into better members of people. Moral corruption will never be tolerated in a just society
>N-No that's not fair!
Stop cheating.
>b-but-
No more excuses. Stop cheating.
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It's a /vp/ copypasta.
don't care
didn't care + didn't ask + nobody cares + L + ratio
Yeah, pretty much
Shut the frick up, moron
>frog post
>actually based
Wtf is today opposite day
The only intelligent frogposter in the world. I kneel.
Based frog. Let the cheaters lose their mind because they were caught cheating in a kids game it's honestly funny
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i kneel
With nature mints, super training, ev ivs training items and such why even gen? To be caught cheating and dq at worlds?
You want perfect mons with easy sets just use showdown.
I remember autistically grinding eggs and IVs for my first ever VGC.
I made it to top 8.
I never played Pokemon again after that. This was back in ORAS.
Cheaters can get fricked.
I only ever went hard on it playing against friends in 3rd and 4th gen
Later when we found out about that site that would just dump you whatever pokemon you wanted through a spoofed GTS we just used that instead
>I wasted an absurd amount of time that I will never get back for no good reason so you should too.
Been playing Pokemon since Gen 1 released and I still have no idea what the frick an IV even is let alone how to find one.
You are not missing out.
A friend and I spent way too much time on breeding stuff we never really used...
last I heard it's basically the genetics of a Pokémon
It only matters for multiplayer. Basically, every pokemon has hidden two sets of hidden stats, excluding natured etc. One stat is set and the other can be trained.
Each stat has a hidden number from 0-31 that adds that much to the stat. So most Pokemon are objectively bad.
You will literally never have to know or care about what IVs and EVs are if you're only playing the game casually, which makes it even funnier that casual players are having such a fit about people genning Pokemon.
>Put in so much effort
>cheats
Wut?
Your Pokemon are all digital 1s and 0s. They don’t have any feelings for you. They don’t care about your existance nor can they even care about anything. They aren’t sentient beings.
Even if they were sentient beings they would be completely horrified and disgusted by the average breedcuck who willingly slaughters entire ecosystems (filled with now sentient creatures) just to get an edge in animalfighting competition. God fricking forbid they are given eyes and can see a shirtless 28 year old friendless obese manchild living off of welfare.
I for one am thankful that Pokemon aren’t sentient and otherwise have to endure being a slave to breedcucks.
>I must Le play le game in order to compete in a tournament for it?
>AIEEEEE IM GOING INSANEEEEE
Breedcucks when someone want to battle and skip the “watch a ditto (probably genned) frick their Pokemon and then raise their offspring” thing.
>watch a ditto (probably genned)
>he didn't know about the ditto raid.
The Ditto raid from 6 months ago?
Yeah, literally everyone farmed that shit to the point where fully perfect Ditto and even 0 speed dittos are hilariously common.
I did those raids all weekend and never got one with 0 in any IV. Several 6IV ones, however.
It was also just a couple of days, so frick you if you were out of town for that time.
>It was also just a couple of days
If you update and go online.
If you didn't it would stay active.
>dude just stop playing the game and grind out ditto offline until you can find the right one
>dude just stop playing the game
Wut.
Are you saying that you can't play the game without going online?
You miss out on a huge portion of the game by just playing offline.
No, no you don't. Like 90%.of the game is offline anon.
What game? Doing offline raids? Once you finish the story, that's literally all that's left.
>What game?
It's pretty obvious which one.
There is no postgame in Pokemon anymore. You play online or put it back on the shelf.
>postgame
For as little content as SV I hate this mentality of "only postgame matters!" because then you're disregsrding the non-post game content.
You can only play the story once, and playing the story again isn't going to get you a good Ditto.
Okay, I should clarify that this conversation isn't exclusively about SV anymore but the idea of postgame mattering.
Anyway, you're basically disregarding any kind of replayable or optional content because it isn't post game.
Like what?
Take pokemon RS for instance, it's post game was only
>battle tower
>picking up Beldum
>catching the roamer
If you limit yourself to that you're going to have a very poor experience. Meanwhile in the rest of the game you have
>Contests/filling the museum
>trick house
>game corner
>customising your base/collecting every item
>mixing records with your friend to battle their team in their base
>cycling road time trial
And probably some other things I'm forgetting.
Hyper focusing on post game only leads to you missing out.
>Take pokemon RS for instance
We were never talking about that game. Stay on topic.
>We were never talking about that game.
>Okay, I should clarify that this conversation isn't exclusively about SV anymore but the idea of postgame mattering.
>Stay on topic.
I am, you aren't. Pay attention.
It was always about SV. Did you even follow the reply chain, or did you just jump in randomly?
>It was always about SV
Until this point
And then I gave you further clarification here
>Okay, I should clarify that this conversation isn't exclusively about SV anymore but the idea of postgame mattering.
Did YOU just jump in? Because I made it incredibly obvious that I was talking about the way people over value postgame over content in general.
You may as well just accept you made a mistake and didn't read.
So you did just try to change the subject.
No, you simply didn't grasp the conversation.
Yes, because nothing you've said since had anything to do with the initial posts.
It does. Not paying attention to what was said doesn't change that fact.
It doesn't. Keeping Ditto raids and being able to do nothing but Ditto raids has LITERALLY nothing to do with the battle tower in RS.
Hence why you need to pay attention.
You could change your profile and get as many as you wanted basically
To be fair, modern pokemon games are so bad that playing them is indicative of poor mental health
Maybe Pokemon isn't supposed to be played competitively?
Same goes for Smash.
>well anon maybe we could make our own indie game with this style of gameplay but without the Nintendo IP
lmao
You will never play that game because you feed off the casualgay playerbase that would never play a non-nintendo game even if it had strictly superior gameplay.
Cheating in a non-competitive setting is even worse, lmao.
"Dude, I've just gotta win Mario Party, no matter what the cost!"
Bad enough to be exposed as a cheater, even more pathetic to be indignant that your cheating wasn't allowed
People who cheat in competitive video game events should be blacklisted from all video games events.
If the cheating actually did anything to make you win/competitive advantage, sure.
no surprise a /vt/ranny is moronic though
They were gonna crackdown on this stuff eventually.
If you're a top level player and are to lazy to build your own team you had it coming. ZERO fricking excuse with how easy it is to make competitive pokemon in last few gens.
Why not make chess players sit there and handcraft their own pieces too you homosexual
This. It's a tournament about battling Pokemon, not breeding them. As long as the players' Pokemon had completely legitimate stats then who cares?
Because it is against the rules. If you have a problem with that take it up with Nintendo.
Chess is not about making Chess pieces. That is not a part of the game of Chess.
Pokemon is specifically about breeding Pokemon.
The better example here would be within the TCG genre. If you applied current Pokemon tournament rules to a game like Magic: The Gathering (or the Pokemon TCG lel) it would stipulate that every card in your deck would need to have been pulled personally by you, traded, or bought on the 2nd hand market.
No homemade "proxies" that are functionally identical to the cards pulled from packs.
OH WAIT.
They won't reply to you because your post makes too much sense.
Except in this case the proxies are literally unidentifiable by anyone except the creators of the game.
And the proxies aren't circumventing the way the game makes money.
Are you attempting to argue that the people banned from Pokemon weren't aware they were using hacked Pokemon?
You're fricking stupid.
So what's your point? Who cares if only the creators can tell? You knowingly bring proxies you deserve a ban.
Why?
Because it's against the rules.
>Why have that rule?
Because it's their game.
>CORPORATION GOOD NOW GO WASTE YOUR LIFE GOY
Don't like the game complain to the company instead of cheating.
If the company doesn't listen then don't play the game.
Stop cheating.
>I MUST WHITEKNIGHT FOR MULTIBILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION
pathetic
I accept you concession.
gg no re
>admits to being an unironic shill
I think you might want to reconsider your life if you call that a victory.
Well you can’t prove they knowingly knew. Given that Pokémon is largely a game about trading, it’s very possible they just ended up with hacked mons by accident.
Of course a good number will be knowingly cheating.
And Magic proxies can be so good they are also indistinguishable from the real thing unless you know very specific things to look for.
Additionally, you are moving the goalposts.
I thought it was only "functionally identical" we were talking about, not cosmetically.
A crude proxy is still functionally identical in every way (don't @ me with concerns over the quality of the card stock or thickness).
Yes.
This is almost literally the exact same argument CCG players have about proxies, and it was settled long, long ago.
They are illegal in WOTC/DCI official tournaments.
Just looked it up and of course proxies are illegal in all Pokemon TCG sanctioned tournaments as well. If you want the rare cards you have to put in the time, effort, and the cash to get them.
Even the pros have to do this to some degree, although most of them are rich enough to just buy the cards outright whenever necessary.
What is the motivation for banning proxies besides maximizing profit?
Absolutely nothing!
imagine the company that makes the game wanting people to actually buy the game to win money at their tournaments.
What part of "collectible" card game do you not get?
>YOU HAVE TO WASTE 999032009 HOURS FIGHTING THE RNG OR ELSE IT'S NOT VALID
I wish we could have another Stadium game where you can pick your desired mons on the fly with the IVs/natures/EVs/items/moves you wanted.
HOURS
Now try actually playing the game
Gold caps are so amazingly rare that it's not even worth using them.
You dont need a gold one, and normal ones are barely considered a rare drop in raids. And raids are piss easier than ever now that Pokemon Home support was added.
>poser knows jack shit about what he's talking about
see
moron.
This dude just BTFO everyone.
Stop cheating.
>but
Stop cheating.
if this guy doesn't get a hundred replies of just "stop cheating" then there is nothing just in this world.
What a b***h. Don't play the game competitively if you don't have the time. Go be a man and stop playing video games if they are an actual waste of your time.
The type of person who plays at the highest level in these tournaments already has no fricking life besides playing pokemon lmfao, what's his point?
About fricking time they started cracking down on this shit.
>make a small update to pkhex/trade hacked mons through pokemon home
>problem solved
see you next thread
Finally someone that understand.
Complain to Nintendo.
Stop cheating.
>it's required for me
Competetive rpgs are moronic as a concept. Pokemon multiplayer battles are for casual fun. The only video games that deserve to be played competetively are fighting games, and maybe arena FPS.
The only game that should be played competitively and that actually requires any skill and intelegent thought is RTS. Literally anything else is a fricking joke.
RTS is shit. Turn based with timers is better for strategy. All RTS games are just shitty speed chess that requires less strategy and less quick thought and reactions than fighting games. RTS games are most enjoyable casually.
So hypothetically if Nintendo released a Pokemon Tournament Edition of their game that cost $300 but enabled all the generation cheats how would you all feel about that?
What if Showdown but it was Stadium?
Yes, it would be better than the current system.
But for $60 or less.
If I theorycraft that sort of game, I would do it like this:
>Import your team from a main-series game
>Game checks for legitimacy of those monsters
>Game then allows you to manually adjust any of the following:
>IVs
>EVs
>Ability
>Nature
>Moves from a pool of level-up, TM, and Tutor moves available in the current gen
Do not allow:
>Shiny toggle
>Learning of event moves like Aqua Ring Suicune, V-Create Rayquaza, or Refresh Metagross.
All problems are now fixed
Pokemon needs to streamline the breeding/optimization process. Needing to spend hours grinding for the best IVs, natures, moves, and EVs is fricking stupid especially when shit like Legendaries are allowed. You have to actually be autistic to do everything legitimately for VGC, they should just do a rental system.
>they should just do a rental system.
This kills the israelite
That is literally the game formula and design.
>they should just do a rental system.
Or do maximum overisraelite and start selling booster packs.
>Needing to spend hours grinding for the best IVs, natures, moves, and EVs
see
Worthless for shit that depends on less then 31 in I.V's like 0 attack on special attackers or 0 speed on trick room users even after they scraped hidden power.
0 physical attack for special attackers really is not necessary, it makes a very minor difference and is only relevant to two uncommon scenarios (confusion, foul play)
Minor difference could be all the difference for championship.
You could have just said that you don't play the game
Barely anyone uses a Pokemon that actually needs 0 IVs in their stats
All the cheaters kept crying about 0 IV Enamorus even though it's shit in the current meta
see
see
>they should just do a rental system.
OY VEY ITS ANNUDDAH SHOAH. DELETE THIS GOY
Pokemon won't do that nor will they make a Stadium 3 because that would mean people won't need to waste money on past gens to get that super powerful mon that only appears in that generation
>people won't need to waste money on past gens to get that super powerful mon that only appears in that generation
This stopped being an issue in gen 6, only for it to come back now. Legendaries used to be banned from VGC for the first year, until a new set of games released and people were able to catch all of the legendaries in that gen. This year they went into overdrive and started allowing legendaries even though the DLCs aren't out yet.
>turn based combat
>who just RNG lands the first Crit/more Crits, WINS
>Who just dont get RNG fricked and failed the 95 Accurance Attacke, wins
This is more pathetic & lifetime wasting then speedrunning kabodschikianik videogames
High level Pokemon is all about mindgames and outplaying your opponent.
I don't get it, skipping the godawful grinding process is basically like skipping training in any other sport/"e-sport". Yeah it might suck but so do those thousands of matches people have to play to remain competitive, or thousands of hours of trainIng to remain physically competitive. The actual combat aspect of pokemon takes up frick all time to master compared to the rest.
Absolutely no sympathy for those who want to play with the big boy (manchildren, reall) without putting in the effort.
>skipping the godawful grinding process is basically like skipping training in any other sport/"e-sport".
Black person, breeding your pokemon is nothing like training for a sport or practicing for a game. Actually battling and trying out teams/strategies would be the equivalent to that. Breeding pokemon would be more equivalent to having to make all your training equipment or having to unlock all the characters in a game.
>Actually battling and trying out teams/strategies would be the equivalent to that.
Absolutely fricking not because there is nothing to it. Most matches are determined from the first pokemon and held item.
Holy delusional. If you actually think this then get on Showdown and show me your rank right now or go and win worlds. If you think there's no actual skill to battling or putting a team together is literal moronation. Breeding is just the busy work you have to do to get to the shit that actually matters, every bred pokemon is the same optimal shit that everyone uses.
once again, comp gays are the worst. nothing new here
Grinding for perfect mons is so fricking moronic. It's not fun and once you know how it works, it isn't challenging. No one will just work it out themselves either, they will just google how to do it. It is genuinely the worst part of Pokémon. The thing that pisses me off even more is that there is 0 onboarding ramps in-game after beating the story to push you into training good teams. It's like this "2cool4u" elitist rigmarole you have to do just to fricking play. All comp should just be in showdown.
You can say the same about training for any sport or game when you frame it like this.
Go frick yourself.
You are actually moronic. None of what is required to breed a mon is relevant to actually playing comp. It isn't even a challenging process that you get good at. It would be like asking boxers to win roulette several times before they are allowed to fight.
>top level play is full of cheating scum, not the actual best players
Good. Frick them all, rampant cheating is what kills off interest in a hobby and game or sport. When you find out most of the top players are not good, they just cheat, it sours many on the game or sport.
Honor less dogs should be shot.
Post that one year everyone used Mega Kangaskhan, Xerneas, Mega Groudon, and near exact same teams for the entire top 8
VGC 2015 iirc.
I'm reading this in a mexican accent and having a hearty kek
kek, I still remember somebody using an impossible ball/pokemon combo some years back. The cheat detection was fricking awful at tournaments, these frickers are just salty.
Hold up, can't you just fricking change IVs and natures and shit more or less at will these days?
That's what I was thinking.
At this point, IVs, Natures, EVs, and Moves are all pretty easy to adjust and for legendaries, is essential.
I imagine if egg moves still exist those are the only thing you would really need to grind at all for.
barely, you can now pass on egg moves from unrelated pokemon by equipping a Mirror Herb to the recipient and making sure they've empty moveslots. in fact, if you don't know their breeding moves, you can just put on that Mirror Herb Pokemon with 3 empty moveslots plus 5 other Pokemon and just see if he picks up any moves from them. There's no actual breeding required.
So if he had put for a second his team in Pokemon HOME he wouldn't be caught? Seems pretty easy to cheat and this guy failed to do something so simple.
the thing is this wasn't ever taken into account in hack checks before. in fact the hack checks were always, and probably still are, very lax. i'm sure you could still get away wtih pokemon being caught in the wrong place at the wrong level with impossibly good original stats. but the missing pokemon HOME tracker is EASY for them to catch, it never came up during the Sword & Shield era because legitimacy in that game was only being determined by them either originating in Sword & Shield or them receiving a Battle Ready Mark to reset their moves if they came from other games.
I get the point of "If they didn't checked so far why are they doing a check now of every possible moment so far?", but this championship seems like a pretty big deal for him so at least do the minimum to not get caught.
It's ironic how in competitive pokemon you have to be prepared for many match-ups and this guy didn't bothered to be prepared for a simple hack check he could've avoided in less than 30 minutes.
Why do they make this same cognitive dissonance move EVERY SINGLE TIME with every game going back decades now.
>your opinion about cheating doesn't matter because you did not win tournaments
>my opinion about cheating matters because I win tournaments (by cheating)
>I would still win even if I did not cheat (but I still cheat anyway because.... because I just do! okay!
It's some real NPD behavior.
>people actually defending the grind needed to make an optimized team
Pokemon fans are some of the stupidest people on this fricking planet. The games do nothing to explain or prepare the player when it comes to any mechanics involving stats, move inheritance, or natures. Pokemon games are garbage especially competitive Pokemon.
>you mean I have to lift weights to play professional baseball?
Cheaters getting what they deserve. GOOD. Gen 9 has made it easier than ever to raise competitive mons. No excuses for hacking mons for sanctioned competitive play. I don't care what other people do with their money and time when it comes to video games unless they affect other players with their cheating. t. bad memories of Metroid Prime Hunters being hacked online by cheaters that are invincible.
Hacked Pokemon don't affect your experience.
then why are people complaining they got disqualified from a tournament where you play against other players? they can still use their pokemon at home, literally nothing changed except their ability to impact other players' experience with their mons.
Just don't hack illegal moves and stats onto your pokemon??? It's not hard...
Why would you still play pokemon after no world dex? That alone should have been enough to cause a mass shooting at all pokemon events.
Eh, most people stopped caring when they realised that literally ever monster tamer does the same but worse.
Naw dude we're all *heh* we're all gonna *snrk* gonna drop Pokmon and start *snicker* start playing *wheeze* playing TEMTEM HAHAHAHAHAH
The dex is filled with too many pokemon that are mistakes, and certain gens need a holocaust.
Especially 4, 7 and 8
This reminds me of fromsoft PvP gays who hack in infinite consumable items so they can spam them willy nilly to ignore gameplay mechanics they dont like such as enemy status effect builds that apply DoTs. Their reasoning is that they could farm up the stuff if they werent lazy so eating the consumables as if they get it for instantly free and not as something that is a limited resource is perfectly OK.
Those guys never claim they aren't cheating tho.
they cope big time when called out and call other players who dont cheat suckers.
Real talk IVs are fricking gay. Natures and EVs are actually pretty cool way to customize your pokemon
Pokemon being good based on if all their stats rolled 31 takes away from the fantasy of the game. I dont care if bottle caps "fix" this. If it was just Natures, abilities and eggs moves we were worried about NO ONE would hack.
Even with all the QoL addition in SV that make it very easy to make even wild caught pokemon competitively viable. I still wish they would just take it out of the game and replace it with something else that is more fun to work with like a second nature or something
>crying over a videogame
>crying over people playing a video game
see
how about they just don't cheat?
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T PLAY THE GAME LIKE THAT YOU HAVE TO DO THINGS THE WAY I SAY
"I" in this case being the people running the tournament and making the rules.
Stop cheating.
>Stop cheating.
Make me, homosexual.
Nintendo is doing that for me.
Cry about it, cheater.
Nintendo doesn't have anything to do with these tournaments, moron homosexual.
Nintendo gives blessing to these tournaments or they would not exist at all. And I very much bet that Nintendo is behind the insistence on Pokemon being obtained legitimately.
Nintendo literally doesn't give a shit. TPC. was created to manage the brand so GF, Creatures and Nintendo didn't have to.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_World_Championships
>The Pokémon World Championships is an invite-only esports event organized by Play! Pokémon
>Play! Pokémon, formerly known as Pokémon Organized Play (often abbreviated as POP), is a division of The Pokémon Company International
>The Pokémon Company (株式会社ポケモン, Kabushiki Gaisha Pokemon) (TPC) is a Japanese company responsible for brand management, production, publishing, marketing, and licensing of the Pokémon franchise, which consists of video game software, a trading card game, anime television series, films, manga, home entertainment products, merchandise, and other ventures. It was established through a joint investment by the three companies holding the copyright of Pokémon: Nintendo, Game Freak, and Creatures.
Now which one of those three do you think has the final say about Pokemon?
>a Japanese company responsible for brand management, production, publishing, marketing, and licensing of the Pokémon franchise, which consists of video game software, a trading card game, anime television series, films, manga, home entertainment products, merchandise, and other ventures
It's TPC anon.
GF, Creatures and Nintendo don't have anything to do with them.
lmao you're naive.
Nintendo has the biggest dick here.
What they say is going to happen no matter what.
>What they say is going to happen no matter what.
And what they said was
>we don't want to manage it let's just create a conglomerate with GF and creatures so they can manage it
GF and creatures know not to wake the bear. They'll do what Nintendo would want them to do.
The tighter security against cheating is one of them.
>GF and creatures know not to wake the bear.
Okay, GF doesn't give a shit either way and creatures is owned by Nintendo now.
>They'll do what Nintendo would want them to do.
No GF and TPC and independent entities. GF doesn't even have to make games for Nintendo.
>The tighter security against cheating is one of them.
No, no it isn't. If it was then we'd have been seeing the moment iwata died and not now.
why don't you just stop cheating?
>another loaded question
post discarded.
But seriously, why don't you just stop cheating?
>same loaded question
post descarted.
But honestly, why do you cheat? Why not just play legitimately?
Why do you ask loaded questions?
My dude, can't you differentiate laughing and crying?
Yiff in hell furgay
god, cheaters getting purged in any gaming community produces the sweetest tears. Cheaters, especially cheaters who are competitive gamers, and their dicksucker orbiters are the funniest people to watch writhe and dance about getting punished.
>cheat
>disqualified
What’s the problem?
>Thought that they did something that actually was able to detect if a pokemon was genned or not with better measures for it
>Find out that it just meant that the pokemon that got genned missed one or two things to be legit
This all means nothing since the people genning the mons will just take a second longer in making sure that they get all the stuff right for next time.
compgays prove yet again that they have no real skill and are just a bunch of gayots who actually hate fun.
>NOOOOOO! STOP TELLING ME THAT A GAME ABOUT RAISING AND TRAINING ANIMALS SHOULD REQUIRE ME TO RAISE AND TRAIN THEM!
Wow so the entire fun part of the game that proves your dedication and skill should be removed because... you're so skilled?
>Break rules
>Get DQ'd
You gays are are the same crying morons as
>Say bad word in game
>Get banned and lose game
Losers are always going to be sore losers, holy shit.
If you can't inject pokemon, can you now just hack in all the items that make making competitive teams faster and then use them to pump up regular pokemon?
Can the game detect that a pokemon has had hacked items used on it? Like if you inject your game with all the tera shards you need to change a pokemons tera type without doing all the time consuming raids.
You can just edit the stats directly. The only thing to make sure of is that you're not a moron giving your freshly-caught mon perfect IVs out of the gate. It's so easy to make an undetectable hack, but the competitors somehow frick it up every time.
good. best case scenario if it manages to boot manchildren tryharding pokemon and bullying kids out.
iv/EV is so easy now, are egg moves still bullshit like "oh you can totally have a surfing dildo Pikachu if you have this 20 yr old promo and move it through 4 generations of consoles"?
Why the frick is there a tournament for a game that's basically Rock Paper Scissors? There's no skill involved. It's a turn based RPG.
>competitive pokemon
almost as embarrasing as competitive smash
>loaded question
post discarded.
wait wtf how did you delete my post??
Pokemon: Digital Monsters Pokemon are the catch em all!
I am agreement with Roberto Parente. This disqualification to the pokemon tournament totally unfair no respect. These player placed so many efforts for this season. Why the pokemon make the checks of cheatings? Why is the wrong for cheat? I can't stop to cried.
As a casual Pokemon enjoyer I think they should have to raise the fricking things legit. Otherwise it breaks the spirit of raising pokemon
Does it also break the spirit to use traded Pokemon?
Hmm..good question. Maybe traded mons shouldn't be allowed? Do the work, get the reward
it's not a good question, trading Pokemon has been a core of its identity as a property just as much as raising Pokemon is. it's been there since gen 1. he just wants to say "hey look over here at this thing!" and try and make it sound like using hacked mons is the same thing. don't be so impressionable
Nah I think trading for competitions shouldn't be allowed. Just raise the damn things yourself. Traded mons always felt second rate. Raising someone else's pokemon is cuck shit
Why dont they just stop cheating?
>esl playing children's game competitively demanding respect
not only that but cheating third worlders lol
a tournament organization saying "yeah don't use hacked shit in our tournament thank you" should be the least controversial thing on the planet
>Ganker is now defending people who wasted 10,000 hours of their lives instead of defending those who value their time
>posting on Ganker
>valuing time
Ok but why did they break the rules if they didn't want to get disqualified?
they literally changed the rules at the last second. 100% sure tournament organizers will be sued for this.
Really? How? What was the rule change?
The sane rules they've had for years.
they changed to rules to not allow teams made with 3rd party apps: a change they made at the last second THIS YEAR
you stupid bootlicking fricks
That's literally been a rule since they started doing these tournaments.
>That's literally been a rule since they started doing these tournaments.
no it hasn't. they MADE
THE CHANGE
THIS TOURNAMENT
YOU STUPID FRICK
That's not true, they never allowed banned mon's. They used a checker, when you cheat you know youre always taking a chance.
>That's not true
it is literally true you stupid frick
>You're wrong, theres rules that say youre wrong
>No I'm not, you are
great evidence
>no it hasn't.
Yes, yes it has. Hacking and using third party hsrdware/software hasn't been allowed for years.
The only reason no one has been caught is because it's so easy to get by the checks.
Stop bootlicking your moronic "pros".
Show me some proof then
proof is in the pudding as not a single person was punished prior to this year
YOU
STUPID
FRICK
>I was never caught before, so its unfair that I was caught now!
Jesus, stop being such an entitled crybaby. Next time do it right.
>that rule was just implemented!
>no it wasn't, they just started enforcing it better
>but nobody was punished until this year! that means the rule was just implemented!
god I hope you're just pretending to be moronic
He's probably a legitimate underage b& or just a low-functioning autist. Either is equally plausible.
You bought the game Black person. You are the biggest bootlicker here. Play showdown and shut up
>100% sure tournament organizers will be sued for this.
hahaha
>value your time so much that you contribute any of it towards a competitive scene for a children's game
lol
lmao
It's not my fault if you get caught cheating in a kids game for the entire world to see anon. Be better
>want to play a game
>don't want to waste time
There are online pokemon comps if you want to play non-official and reduce the entire thing down to absolute bests competing. If you want to compete at a game you like then you'd like playing said game. No one cares if you want to "x" challenge a game despite never playing it otherwise. That is the same mental illness speedrunners have.
Pokemon is fricking gay, tho and only morons play it - to say nothing of how bad the most recent editions evidently are.
Lmaoing at all of you.
t. stopped playing at Gold
>Pokemon is fricking gay
>stopped playing at Gold
Yet you care enough to spill your autistic drivel all over the thread. Curious.
The sperg out from "pros" getting banned is worthy of some attention, anon. Are you feeling blessed or what?
>caring about moronic ecelebs
you have brain rot.
Imagine a chess tournament, but in order to compete, you had to spend 500 hours hand-carving your chess pieces by hand. That's what this is. Sure it might be cool and respectable to have a hand-carved chess set, but the point of the game is how well you play chess, not how much time you spend carving pieces.
Competitive pokemon should be a a contest of team composition, strategy and a little luck. It should not be a contest to see who has the most patience to hatch eggs.
Ok but why are you competing if you dont like those rules?
Black person you can change the nature, and ivs fron any lv 50 pokemon in SV in like few hours. No need of making eggs. Making a team isn't really that hard compared to a gba game. If you are caught with your poorly edited pkhex pokemon i will fricking laugh.
>Imagine a chess tournament, but in order to compete, you had to spend 500 hours hand-carving your chess pieces by hand.
People have been trying to make that argument for years and it makes as much sense as telling people to to build the console they play on from scratch.
As much as I detest breeding that's false equivalence.
They're right, someone who has the money to buy a Pokemon game has an advantage over somebody who does not own a Pokemon game
Nice try
>NOOOOOOOO. IT'S NOT LEGITIMATE IF YOU DON'T SPEND HOURS DOING SOMETHING THAT'S GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL BATTLES
>first post takes it pretty well and seems pretty humbled about it
>how dare Gamefreak I will go on STRIKE
No the adults will stop playing the children game finally? That's terrible!
this shit cracks me up.
as if these washed up moron "pros" are important to whatever league they're playing in.
all thats going to happen is the people who didn't make it through the first stage because they don't have hacked mons will now be able to make it further, and it will bring new blood into the scene because all the established "pros" with their known-to-be-hacked team have fricked off
>athletes go on strike until steroids are legalized
Anyone remember when in one of these championships they almost made a CHILD HOMELESS over fricking PRONOUNS?
I don't think they almost made a child homeless, but I do remember him getting DQ'd over it yeah
This tournament is supposed to be for children. Cheating to win in it is seriously pathetic.
>probably huge Nintendo bootlicker
>bought the game just to cheat in it
I haven't bought a Pokemon game since Platinum, but you have to be fricking moronic to bring hacked Pokemon to an official tournament. A good chunk of the game is breeding, and you just cheated due to laziness. Imagine getting pissed getting kicked out of a weightlifting contest because they caught you using steroids. Then going around Twitter telling people to protest until they open up a steroid league.
Actually you don't even need to breed pokemon. LV 50 pokemon and a few bottle caps and you can max any IV and you can use the vitamins necessary for the EVs. No need for breeding autism like these "professional" players think. This is why it's funny if they are caught using pkhex pokemon. They can say that they will stop playing. Pokemon company want kids playing not 40 years old adults crying.
You're ask why someone who plays Pokemon professionally is pathetic?
Really?
>ACTUALLY CHEATING IN A GAME MADE FOR 5 YEAR OLDS MAKES ME BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE
>THOSE STUPID KIDS SHOULD'VE LEARNED TO CHEAT LIKE I DID
>THE RULES ARE DUMB THAT MEANS IM ALLOWED TO CHEAT
>THINK OF LE CHILDREN
competitive pokemon has age brackets you stupid subhumans
Yes but cheating in a game made for children is pathetic.
>all of these tards defending this shit
I havent cared about pokemon since gen 4, but these hacked pokemon are identical to a pokemon that a manchild grinded 30 hours for, literally no differences but some 1s and 0s in their code.
gtfo with your "legit" tendie manchild garbage
me and all of my friends gamesharked pokemon for battles in back in 2003 and we'd be doing it now if we cared
Ok but breaking the rules in a game for children is pretty pathetic.
/v/misc/ insists on gatekeeping everything now otherwise an imaginary power that exists only in their heads and fantasies will ruin their hobby.
>competitive pokemon
What the frick is wrong with these people?
>I FLEW ALL THE WAY TO THE OLYMPICS AND THEY DISQUALIFIED ME FOR STEROIDS
>LEARN TO LIVE A LITTLE
lol, these are the same gays that would cheat in a speed run of a game then get super pissed when they get caught.
>I don't have the time to get good! Cheating should be allowed!
So much fricking cope.
>"""Professional Pokemon player"""
>Can't even catch his pokemon
Genuinely fricking pathetic, it's the whole point of the game
Its not the tournaments problem, its a bug in your moral code
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8256405.stm
Just stop cheating
>I CAN'T BELIEVE I HAVE TO PLAY A GAME FOR A FEW HOURS TO COMPETE WITH IT
>you have to put in an insane amount of work to become a pro at something
wow what a fricking shocker.
This is what happens when a generation is raised with instant gratification.
Yup
>Swipe mommy and daddies credit card to skip to the end game
>you can only play football if you get your cleats from a claw machine
It's more like professional gambling because of the inherent chance
It's like going to a poker tournament and demanding to use your personal deck of cards
No, it's more like my example because the gamble is completely removed from playing the actual game.
No it's more like my example because you get buttfricked by men
Nothing about Pokemon is like football, and your monsters aren't like cleats
what a stupid fricking argument holy shit.
disingenuous homosexuals like you need to get the rope.
Dude, do you have any idea how many pro footballers use custom gear?
They should have to make their gear from scratch, because that is just as important as playing the game apparently.
Raising the monsters IS the game. It's about team comp. You think mashing A to do bubble beam is the skill being tested?
>Raising the monsters IS the game
Nope. The game is clearing the scenario. Team building and multiplayer are just features in the game. You don't HAVE to include competitive breeding to make a pokemon game. See PLA.
>They should have to make their gear from scratch
Yeah, custom gear generally requires being made from scratch.
More like you have to go through a hundred practices and drills before you've honed yourself enough to compete in football
>Noo just let me on the field, I don't want to do all that work
Training a full comp team in SV only takes a few hours what the frick are these people b***hing about time investment for?
I'd support this if it wasn't a last minute change, but it's a good change for the future. Should have been a warning though, and this game still shouldn't seriously be taken as an esport because the game they play on changes every year and since it's a jrpg there's critical hit rng and accuracy rng.
>I flew all the way to the Olympics and they have the nerve to give me a pee test right before the event. How dare they? Nobody could have ever anticipated this. This is fascism!
To reitterate my post, I think there should have been a warning a few weeks before it was implemented so cheating morons on twitter wouldn't poop themselves, that the rule is a good idea, and that pokemon isn't a serious esport that I don't participate in so my opinion is non biased on whether the rule is good ad I am unaffected.
I don't care
>WHY DO I HAVE TO BUY A GAME AND PLAY IT TO COMPETE WITH IT?
>I have better things to spend my time and money on
he's definitely got a point on this though.
It'd be like Street Fighter 6 requiring you to grind up your story MC to the max level and spend 4 hours rolling dice to get a good Ryu, and that's not even counting time you spend actually competing/practicing.
ok but why are you competing in the tournaments if you dont like that rule?
Breeding and EV training are extremely tedious but not hard or even the most time consuming things related to team building.
The problem begins with needing to reset for dozens if not hundreds of hours to get a perfect legendary just so you have a level playing field, if Pokemon Worlds still goes with the 2 legendary per team restriction.
Yeah, you don't have to do any of that anymore.
Dude you don't even need to breed pokemon in the new games. raids literally give you bottle caps and you can max IVs from any lv 50 pokemon with it...
A cooler competition would be players catching pokemon from a specific area via a limited set of items (think safari zone) and battling with whatever they caught
>releases event exclusive pokemon that usually have an unique powerful move that only it can learn
>makes it japan region exclusive, meaning you'd have to travel to japan in order to obtain it
>gets surprised when competitive players hack these pokemon in to be able to compete otherwise they would just have a guaranteed loss
VGC is a fricking joke.
So basically what this boils down to
>competitive pokemon never banned people for using hacked mons
>suddenly they pull a surprise and ban people for it during the big tournament in japan
>it doesnt ban ALL cheaters, just people who missed adding the home flag, so a good 80% of cheaters who did are still in
>jap cheaters probably knew of this ban coming ahead of time so none of them were banned
>so now a large chunk of international pros are disqualified and japs now have better odds
Close
pokemon always had a rule against hacked mons
>most players hack their mons to make them indistinguishable from legit ones
>>a bunch of pros are banned because they missed some flags that made it obvious that it was hacked
>>it doesnt ban ALL cheaters, just people who missed adding the home flag, so a good 80% of cheaters who did are still in
>>japs rarely cheated and the ones that did are meticulous at covering their tracks
>>so now a large chunk of international pros are disqualified and japs now have better odds
Actually, jap cheaters barely exist because it's literally illegal to hack or modify a video game. If a jap got busted for any reason, they could literally face legal consequences even if they didn't know a Pokemon they had was hacked.
What a cucked island.
>competitive pokemon never banned people for using hacked mons
This is false. They always checked for hacked Pokemon before tournaments. Otherwise you'd see Pokemon with moronic stats.
There's a difference between illegal (i.e. non-sensical stats/moves, regardless of whether it's injected, glitched, etc.) and legal hacked pokemon (i.e. injected but actually plausible)
You're a fricking moron.
There's no such thing as legal hacked Pokemon. If they determined your Pokemon were hacked in any way, you were disqualified. This has been the case since day 1.
If you want to prove me wrong, find anywhere in the rulebook allowing "legal" hacked Pokemon.
People are only upset about this because blatant cases of hacking slipped under the radar prior, such as Ray Rizzo's notorious Dream Ball Aegislash.
Injected pokemon are literally identical to one generated by the game (exact same bits, everything). Since they're bit-by-bit identical, there's no way to tell if it's hacked
You're a special kind of moronic if you think they can tell whether mons are injected after you put them through Home.
Follow the thread, anon. I'm saying it has always been against the rules, and Nintendo didn't suddenly pop up with a new rule just for this tournament. The fact that people were able to sneak by the testers doesn't mean they weren't cheating.
>I'm too poor to buy Pokémon games but I can afford a plane ticket to Japan
>I have no time to play the games but I can spare a week to fly to a different country
>Stop being elitist
So the amount of money spent on the game does make a difference to its outcome?
>Raising the monsters IS the game.
So is trading.
Fine. Attaining monsters is the game, but cheating monsters circumnavigates the point. Can't you understand that?
Think about Pokemon cards ffs. People traded and chased after the rare and beat ones, but nobody went and printed their own cards for tournament use. That makes no fricking sense. Get a grip
>but cheating monsters circumnavigates the point
So trading competitive mons (something that is allowed by the game) is cheating. Got it.
NOOOOO DELETE THIS IT MAKES TPC LOOK BAD
No, because trading monsters is a feature built into the game itself, unlike genning monsters with 3rd party tools you dumb coon
>someone else generates a monster
>puts it up for trade, passes all checks
>you get said monster
>pokepolice busts down your door because you have a perfect IV mon even though the game says it's legal
uh-huh
Are you fricking moronic on purpose or did it come naturally?
If someone cheated the monster, it's a cheated monster. That's it.
What point are you even trying to make, that cheating with extra steps is somehow morally better?
If you get it via trading then it becomes legal homosexual.
Then they either need better checkers or all you crybaby homosexuals need to get better at cheating if it's that fricking easy to not be caught
how fricking stupid is this community holy shit
>all you crybaby homosexuals need to get better at cheating if it's that fricking easy to not be caught
FYI the reason people were getting caught was because they'd cheat to generate the Pokemon in a game it cannot originate from without it going through the transfer servers. It's literally just people being morons.
Also this is a Pokemon you NEEDED last gen to be remotely competitive so everyone at these events would have already had one, but they just hacked one in because it's faster than transferring the old one.
Aren't there like 700 Pokémon now
If there's like one Pokémon that's objectively necessary to be competitive it doesn't sound very well balanced, at least not to the point where people should compete to any degree of importance. Unless they ban that particular Pokémon or something.
There's over 1000, but the games don't include everything now. Like 450 per game max now.
Even then, the recent games have a penchant for introducing moronicly powerful Pokemon with minmaxed BSTs and obscenely viable moves/type combinations, exacerbated even more whenever there's an update that brings back all of the Legendaries and Legendary-Likes, basically forcing the meta to become all about them.
Don't forget that those ridiculously powerful Pokemon are oftentimes version exclusive, so if you buy the wrong one you're SOL.
There are like 450 in the dex, and most of them are not fully evolved so realistically there's like 150 "real" options and only 6 positions on the team. You can't avoid some mons being better than others.
>one
Bro any given meta has at least 4 staples that are on every team. Go look at the worlds tops from basically any year and you might see 1 difference on each team if you're lucky.
>If you get it via trading then it becomes legal homosexual.
Imagine believing this crap lol
Trade me whatever meth you smoke. I need some legal meth
>comparing real-life drugs to a video game
You don't need meth when your brain is literally made of it.
The point is that there's no way to tell it's hacked on the surface.
>that's not a hobby, that's a job
Yes you fricking moronic troony, that's what it means to play something at a pro level. It's your job and basically your entire life because you're in the 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% of 1% of players in the world that play it at a competitive level. Doesn't matter if it's chess, or MTG, or pokemon, or valorant, or hockey, or basketball, etc etc etc. It's the same fricking thing. You want to be a pro and compete in pro tournaments/play, then the game will consume your entire life.
>"Hey that person just cut the entire track to get to the finish line. Disqualify him."
>"NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! YOU DONT UNDERSTAND!!!!!!!!!! I COULD beat all the runners here if i did the proper work outs and excersise but who has TIME for that?! So I just cheated to get to the end because I COULD have won fairly if I tried but I am entitled to the best outcome for NO work! NO! NO! NO! DONT TAKE ME OFF THE TRACK THIS EXCLUSIONARY FRICKING GRIND PIGS FRICK YOU FRICK YOU FRICK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
Literally every homosexual hacker's mental gymnastics
>>"Hey that person just cut the entire track to get to the finish line
You mean if I breed the perfect mons I don't have to battle anyone and get the world champion cup handed to me? Wow, that's so based.
>playing pokemon competitively
>making it your "career"
>hacking at professional events
>not quadruple checking
>crying about getting caught
>We need RESPECT
HAHAHAHAHA
>pokemon: gotta catch em all
>WHAT DO YOU MEAN I CAN'T USE MY CHEATED POKEMON
>pokemon: gotta catch em all
>but anything less than perfect gets to rot in a box forever
You know you can release them right? Sounds like the humane thing to do
>tfw you will never be such a gigantic fricking homosexual that you go out of your way to cheat in a game made for literal toddlers
>you will never be such a pathetic loser that you then complain after getting caught cheating in the game made for tiny babies
I can't tell who's being moronic on purpose as bait and who's just actually moronic.
Bootlickers are moronic even if being ironic.
>ESL whining and crying in broken english on a first world platform
I hate that this is so commonplace now
Pokemon is a children's game
i wasn't even aware that there was a competitive scene for pokemon
this game is made for literal babies and you're telling me grown ass adults "compete" against each other in it
actually embarrassing
I don't get competitive Pokémon. What skill is it meant to test? Is there any skill to the breeding thing?
What skill is chess meant to test?
I guess the ability to out-think your opponent? Though a lot of it seems to be just pattern recognition.
Here's the kicker about VGC. It's not about the competition, they consider it a "promotional event."
I.E the true goal of VGC isn't for people to compete for prizes and glory, it's to make people pay up so The Pokemon Company is able to directly advertise Pokemon products to them.
VGC goers are spending for the privilege to be told physically and directly that they can spend even more.
>it's to make people pay up so The Pokemon Company is able to directly advertise Pokemon products to them.
That's literally the purpose of esports in general
Well yes, but Pokemon is even more blatant about it. The grand prize barely covers the costs most people outside of where VGC is hosted will have to spend in order to participate, and there's a point where you're at a net loss outright.
That's the case for every esport anon.
Why do you think they constantly complain about how poor they are?
>Is there any skill to the breeding thing?
lolno
You set your odds properly and then just wait.
The thing is breeding isn't even necessary anymore. lv 50 + bottle caps from raids and you are good to make any shitty pokemon a winner.
Breeding is still necessary for some things. Bottlecaps handle about 90% of all cases, but there's still that 10% you can't get with items.
>Breeding is still necessary for some things
It's pretty much just 0ivs in speed which isn't particularly useful right now.
Like what 0 iv in speed? Ok you need to breed but very rare
It's rare, but it's still there and still tedious.
Those are deleted on transfer now.
Oh. I guess I don't really see the fun in that, though to be fair that's how I feel about Pokémon in general. Never actually played the games as a kid, I think, turn based RPGs never appealed.
It's not meant to be fun, it's bugman busywork.
You originally weren't supposed to know what the hidden stats are, but pvp means that if you don't have perfection you're doing it wrong.
>Is there any skill to the breeding thing?
Breeding is just a patience test. Obtaining the Pokemon is pure grind, which is why hacking is prevalent among players and battle simulators are popular. They let you skip the mindless part and focus on the meat, which is choosing the right Pokemon and the battles themselves.
Isn't grind the point of JRPGs though?
>You originally weren't supposed to know what the hidden stats are, but pvp means that if you don't have perfection you're doing it wrong.
I know I'm biased but the combination of autistic pvp meta slaving and JRPG grind sounds like the literal worst of videogames in the world.
That's why it's gotten a lot better over the past decade or so. Still not perfect, but it was unreasonably awful from 96-2013.
>Isn't grind the point of JRPGs though?
No, you dumb poser c**t.
>t. lv1 and low level run enjoyer
Pokemon was never meant to be hardcore competitive in the first place, battles between players were originally meant to be nothing more than house rules-based fun between kids waggling their dicks about who had the best Pokemon. Then autists who stuck with the franchise into gen 3 after Pokemania long fizzled out started finding out about IVs and the specifics behind the recently-introduced nature mechanic, and all hell broke loose when it was made accessible via platforms like Pokémon NetBattle.
>Isn't grind the point of JRPGs though?
No, competitive Pokemon is not about outgrinding the opponent. Think of it less like Final Fantasy for 2 players and more like of a card game.
>and more like of a card game.
Unfair for normal players because of the random element of pulling from packs because you need a card that goes from 60 to 120?
A game of strategy and predicting your opponent's moves. You're being deliberately obtuse.
>You're being deliberately obtuse
Not really, preparing your deck is a massive part of a card game.
Look at yugioh for example, you could get absolutely fricked without things like forbidden droplet and until recently that thing went for $100 or so.
Pokémon seems like a bad videogame franchise.
>Isn't grind the point of JRPGs though?
>No, competitive Pokemon is not about outgrinding the opponent. Think of it less like Final Fantasy for 2 players and more like of a card game.
Oh. That's much worse, card games suck. They're like the least videogame videogames.
Being good at hacking pokémon has been part of the qualifications for two decades, if you get caught you're just not good enough lmao
>don't do this
I did it anyway
>you're disqualified
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS LITERALLY THE HOLOCAUST RIGHT NOW
Fricking japs just trying to keep the title after getting btfo year after year
>games have been easier and easier to clear
>it's never been easier to get a battle ready Pokémon
>want better IVs? want a different nature?
>in game items to change both
>egg moves don't even need to be bred down just hold an item and put the two Pokémon together
>breeding is basically almost pointless
>bare minimum is finishing the game and catching Pokémon
>Pokémon "fans" and "competitors" can't do even that
Yeah I know I didn’t make the weight cut for this fight but I should still be able to compete I would have lost the weight anyways it’s not skill at all it just takes time to lose that weight let me compete. Why am I being punished and not allowed to fight
I don't know how new competitive pokemon works but I still remember shit like exclusive moves from distribution events 16 years ago or dreamworld abilities that are now impossible to get without Pkhex.
Only moves in that generation are legal now. Every transfer moves are auto deleted by home.
>Cheat in 2 parents with the ivs you want
>Breed
>Have perfect legal child
Wow that was hard. Guess you have to spend like an hour ev training, but if you can't even do that then why the frick are you playing the absolute autism spreadsheet simulator that is competitive pokemon?
Funny thing is, a 0 iv speed ditto is the only thing you need and you can get in the first egg with an item. Everything else you can just use bottle caps.
>entire series is about how there isn't any shortcuts to being the very best
>pokemongays complain they can't use cheats for the world championship
kek
This is bullshit match fixing, everyone knows only the Japanese are autistic and jobless enough to grind out multiple competitively viable teams.
I really don't understand why pros would hack their games though.
I know it takes hours of breeding and shit to get perfect mons, but with Showdown existing the pros can experiment all they need, then once they've decided on their team, they know exactly what they're breeding for.
pros have a legion of twitch chatters who will happily do the breeding for them and send a nice £5 tip on top of that. i don’t get the need to cheat.
are people here actually shedding tears for esports homosexuals cheating at games made for literal babies?
>play trading card game
>print out cards on printer paper
>gets DQed
>WTF? IT'S THE SAME SKILL
Yes, and? Why shouldn't you be able to just make whatever card you want? Are you actually defending the israelites who run those companies and think they should be able to charge hundreds of dollars for a strip of cardboard?
>Why shouldn't you be able to just make whatever card you want?
OY VEY YOU ANTI-SEMITE GOY, if you don't buy the cards there won't be any tourneys for goyim to CONSOOM and line our pockets!
>Are you actually defending the israelites who run those companies and think they should be able to charge hundreds of dollars for a strip of cardboard?
You think the people jacking up the price do it because the owners tell them to? They're all second hand resellers anon they jack up the price due to demand.
>they jack up the price due to demand.
And a lack of SUPPLY, which the israeli company enables by restricting it.
Anon, if the companies wanted to benefit themselves they would have made it common and said its rare.
This just makes it plain how shitty TCGs are, though.
Some MtG tournaments actually allow this in certain formats.
Because they would have 0 players otherwise. The average person isn't spending 10k on a stack of cardboard.
out cards on printer paper
>>gets DQed
This is precisely why normal people aren't into card games and only gambling waste money on them.
Wasn't one of the primary crypto exchange websites built on a magic the gathering exchange website? If you view TCGs in the same realm as that shit they make a LOT more sense.
Just resell them when you're done? You act like you have to restart from zero everytime.
>Just resell them when you're done?
Or go play games that don't expect you to whale out.
Why are you in the thread if you want to play something else
Not only would they never sell for as much as you paid for them by simple virtue of now being more used, but the only reason you'll typically be done with a card is when it's not in rotation any more, which means nobody else will want it any more either, which means you'll be lucky to sell it for even 5% of what you originally paid.
Have you thought about getting gud and signing them for your moronic fanbase? If you're only making it to locals why do you even need the best meta deck.
I don't understand TCGs.
You spend thousands of dollars building one or two decks, then all of a sudden the meta changes or a single card gets restricted and now you've wasted your grocery fund for the next three years.
>all of a sudden the meta changes or a single card gets restricted and now you've wasted your grocery fund for the next three years.
Yes. They're insanely profitable precisely for that reason. The other big one being card packs and decks are basically lootboxes. Hence every franchise tries to release a TCG.
>Don't have the dedication to play a game at the highest level
cheaters get fricked
>leave the cheating esl e-celeb alone instead.
? If you are a cheater that means you bought the game, you are the bootlicker. Just use showdown and shut up.
>EO: please don't cheat
>gaygit: *cheats*
>EO: go home
>gaygit: you can't do this to me
>he thinks injecting completely legit savedata is cheating
I wonder what being brain damaged like you would feel like
Not my problem
Creating teams is so brain dead easy in modern games, you really have to be a lazy fricking loser to go out of your way to hack your game.
Especially if you have aspirations of attending tournaments.
>Creating teams is so brain dead easy
>need 0 IV in a stat
sure thing
I literally just did that
Now get 0 Speed 0 Atk/SpAtk with 6 in the rest.
>Moving the goalposts
No. At this point you want something very specific and specialized. If you don't want to put in the effort for something like that maybe don't travel to japan to compete in a tournament.
It's not moving the goalposts, it's a competitively viable pokemon. High Atk IVs on a special attacker is outright detrimental.
that's great, but I was told a 0 IV speed pokemon was going to take forever. My point wasn't that you could just instantly get it, my point was was that getting these IV's that you are aiming for are no where near as difficult as you are making them out to be.
Getting all the IVs lined up how you need them is time consuming and you know it, you're being moronic on purpose.
Nta but it’s not that hard I have a 0 attack 0 speed Torkoal with other 4 maxed
Who is more moronic?
>Gets a 0 IV speed in less than half an hour
>Doesn't follow the rules of a tourney
>Pays for a passport
>Pays for a ticket
>Pays for a hotel
>Competes in a tourney
>Gets caught breaking the rules
>Mad that they got caught when the rules are clearly stated.
>>Gets a 0 IV speed in less than half an hour
Now go breed for three hours to get all the IVs and egg moves you need. Oh yeah, do that for everyone on your team multiple times.
>High Atk IVs on a special attacker is outright detrimental.
Who the frick told you that? Even if they're hit with swagger the attack gain is negligible in how much damage you're going to take.
>What if muh confusion my pokemon can kill himself if he is too strong
Lol
>>need 0 IV in a stat
Not on VGC at least
>want to join my tournament? Here are the rules
okay 🙂
>you broke the rules so you can’t participate now
NOOOOOOOOOOOO WTF HOW COULD YOU DO THIS????
I’ve never been autistic enough to look into competitive Pokémon but is my suspicion correct that the scene is littered with trannies? Only mentally Ill histrionic freaks would get so upset and surprised by this.
only trannies use smogon rules
VGC are straight up pedo's and autists
>he thinks injecting a save is cheating
lol.
Do you get banned for that?
>edit save
>trade pokeyman to 2nd switch
>connect 2nd switch to online and transfer to Home
>???????
>LEGIT!
I didn’t say it was cheating, but I understand reading comprehension is difficult for 3rd world shitskins.
>tcg is too expensive
>open unboxing youtube channel
>open all the boxes you buy on video for the autistic poorgays
>get ad revenue
>sell everything you don't need on ebay or trade for what you do need
>have a competitive deck and profit
Are you guys too stupid to do this or something?
I'd understand if the cheated mons had higher stats, but this is such a nothingburger
Any 'deck building' game, or card game beyond solitaire or solitaire variants is dumb and bad.
Part of the price of official competition is abiding by the rules that have been set. If that means having to provide expensive equipment (or in this case, buying some games yourself and breeding your own team) yourself, then so be it. Don't like it? Play something else.
don't people just hack the 6iv parents then use the first 6iv egg that comes along?
modern legendaries already come with 3 perfect ivs so you can fix them with mints and bottle caps
You don't even have to hack the mon nowadays, just give yourself the items you need.
People don't even breed in modern Pokemon for anything besides shinies of Pokemon you can't catch in the wild. The only thing that is a barrier of entry to competitive is if you want a 0 speed Cresellia.
You only need to hack a ditto with 0 iv in speed for the ultimate autism slow pokemon that you will never use. Everything else is easy as shit with few raids and bottle caps.
Everyone that has ever used a Wish Chansey is a fricking cheater, so what's the big deal now?
The best part is one of them got handed perfectly legitimate Pokémon, then modified them with an external program and made them illegal instead of using one of the easy legitimate in game ways of modifying it.
>so many effort put in this season for nothing
Why do we care what 3rd world shitskin esl monkeys have to say about anything?
The thing is there's plenty of people with genned Pokémon that made it through. The morons that got caught or the only ones too lazy to even make a convincing fake and reading how it works. They don't care about the actual save so you could have edited in all the items and money you need and it would pass.
good, morons are too moronic to enter. This is like nature.
How do tourneygays even compete in a game they don't even want to play?
I don't get it, if they don't want to put in the work then they're too busy for tourneys and should just stick to online simulators.
>Gen a Pokémon in Pokémon Legends Arceus, Sword and Shield or Brilliant Diamond and Shining Pearl
>put it in Home
>transfer it to Scarlet and Violet
>it goes through
>trade a legitimate Pokémon
>use in game items to fix stats and nature
>cheat in all the money and items
>it goes through