Rate the bosses:
>Divine Lion - 9/10
Great presentation and moveset, but gimped a bit due to camera issues.
>Relanna - 8/10
A bit too anime-y and spammy, but still a great boss once you get the hang of it.
>Hippo - 5/10
Big monster with weird hitboxes. Not awful but not good either:
>Scadutree Avatar - 7/10
Interesting design and solid moveset but nothing particularly impressive. A solid boss overall.
>Romina - 7/10
Same as Avatar.
>Gaius - 8/10
Weird hitbox on the charge aside, this fight is genuinely great.
>Putrescent Knight - 8/10
A bit spammy on the combos, but he makes up for it with an interesting moveset and design.
>Metyr - 8/10
A 10/10 in terms of design, unfortunately gimped by a couple of frustrating attacks.
>Midra - 10/10
One of the best fights in any Fromsoft soulslike. Amazing presentation and buildup, interesting and engaging moveset.
>Messmer - 10/10
Another absolute banger.
>Radahn: 6/10
Phase 1 is a solid 8/10, but phase 2 has so much bullshit and so many attacks that require almost frame-perfect reactions to dodge that it just becomes frustrating.
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All of them are 1/10 if you have standards
Elden Ring in a nutshell
Dark Souls 1 remains the king.
DS1 has only 3 good boss fights.
Yea but that game did what it did best
That is exploration
Eldenring exploration sucks and bosses are just lazy reskin
You are mentally ill, troony.
TOTK is better than Elden SHIT
Go play a fighting game if all you want to do is memorize moves.
Dark Souls 1 is the best because of it's level design and atmosphere. Combat was secondary. It felt good to explore unlike this open world trash.
Not that guy but I've been eyeing SF6. Radahn's convinced me I won't like the direction these games are taking.
This is a thread about bosses, moron. Go jerk off to Taurus Demon some more.
I WILL jerk off to DS1's masterful level design while you continue to memorize the movesets of bots.
Please just play Tekken or something it is so much more rewarding than learning how to fight some fricking character in an RPG.
Ok moron, go make a thread about it.
>masterful level design
>Lost Izalith
>Demon Ruins
>Lower Undead Burg
>Blighttown
>Catacombs
>Crystal Cave
I love DS1 but come on now.
Only 2 of those are genuinely bad. Name 5 games with better level design than DS1. And don't just name 5 Metroid games.
>b-but don’t name games with better level design
Okay you can name 2 Metroid games, now give me the 5.
DS1 was the worst game in the series, man. Nothing memorable about it. Felt like a slog through shit valley and its bosses were sucked. Demon's Souls had fun bosses with real mechanics besides rollslop. Dark Souls 2 also had fun gimmicky bosses. Dark Souls 3 and Bloodborne had perfected the combat and movement of these games. Elden Ring had the most beautiful world.
FPBP
report and sage. Soulslurp isn't video games it's just a press O simulator. You can do that without the need of a console or a screen.
agreed, anyone rating anything from this DLC highly is a fricking moron
rollslop
come on the frenzy guy wasn't that bad
Frenzy guy is terrible because you have to kill his stupid first phase and skip the cutscene again every time if you die. Should start you off on phase 2.
I'm so glad I don't have adhd
This. Worse than Dark souls II tier. Total goyslop made by B team. Miyazaki too busy actually running the company to stay in control and keep things focused.
>B team
You mean P team.
LMFAO
no wonder the game is so bad. A lot of the design decisions are just baffling, uninteresting and unengaging.
I wonder if the Pajeets were so bad that they made all kinds of new enemies but none of them could actually be used even with Elden rings low standards so they had to copy paste the same handful over and over again.
I don't know but even with more interesting enemies you couldn't save the abhorrent level design. Everything is about finding shortcuts to access different levels of the map but the areas themselves are bland, lot of emptiness and I feel the game was frontloaded and had the best vistas and environments at the beginning.
>and had the best vistas and environments at the beginning.
homie what are you talking about. Rauh, Enir, Cerulean Shore, Finger Ruins, the St Trina cave, abyssal woods, shaman woods etc are all mid/late game areas.
And shit. Like the rest of this boring game.
Keep seething discord troon.You can hate this game as much as you want, It's not like your opinion worth anything.
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The dragon was my favourite. Best dragon fight in any of their games
Midir is the undisputed king of dragon fights.
Midir sucks. On ng+ the health bar is so big that mist is the only way to do normal damage. Bad dragon fight and bad fight all around. Sinh and Kalemeet are far better as they were actually fun.
Bayle had more HP than Midir though? Even relative, getting Bayle to phase 2 takes as long as it takes to get Midir to about 40%.
>getting Bayle to phase 2 takes as long as it takes to get Midir to about 40%
for you
He’s a boss scaled for scadu 7 right?
>Bayle had more HP than Midir though?
In Elden Ring: Shadow of the Erdtree, where it's completely possible to get your AR well above 1000 before buffs
Yeah I just said relative. I had the dragonslayer great katana and the ash only did about 1100 with golden vow and fgms active. He’s like the 3rd “remembrance” you encounter too so it’s not like he’d be scaled above Messmer or anything yet he feels like it
I thought he's. supposed to be the optional endgame boss like kalamert was for DaS so I did everything else except radahn before facing him again. The first time I saw him I had no chance of beating him so I just got to blessing level 17 or so and then it felt appropriate.
But I also went into the DLC under leveled. Most O spoke to finished it at like 220-30 while I was barely level 190 which severely limited my options considering buffs and armor.
>190
>underleveled
I thought 90% of players were 150?
when going IN to ghe DLC.
I went in at level 120 but everyone recommends going in at level 150+
Most just picked their one and only save file where they killed literal every base game with.
I went into the DLC with the only character I had that finished the base game fully, at around level 240. And it was still fine, because levels barely matter past a certain point.
It doesn't matter for dmg/hp but it does give you a shit load endurance for more options, a lot of FP for AoWs/spells and enough points to max out a second soft or hard stat.
When I went in at level 120 I had like 50 dex, 50 vig and the rest spread to hit a few requirements .
that means I went in with low fp, low endurance and 0 options for buffs and magic.
I did the whole thing at 150 but I think it would have been a lot more fun around 250 just to try out more weapons/spells and not having to worry about constantly re-speccing.
lol. midir is basic dragon fight. only thing of note is hes got a lot of hp.
midir is just a war of attrition, boring, big health bar and laser is all he's got
Midir sucks ass and only DS3 babies like him. He runs away almost as much as elden beast
Yeah he mogs hard
Midir is the worst "Main" dragon out of the series. You spend most of the fight just running towards his head to smack him once before he runs away again, making the whole fight really tedious and boring.
Bayle > Placidusax > Kalameet = Sinh >>> Midir
>Midir is the worst "Main" dragon out of the series
Midir is not good but he is better than Fortisax.
>B-b-but Fortisax is optional
Yeah, like Midir, moron.
Ancient dragons just suck in general honestly. Would rather fight THE ancient dragon, at least that fight is one and done. Or not done at all, which ancient dragons are as well, but you get the idea.
Why do people like Placidusax so much? I thought he was very middling boss, not terrible but not great either. Compared to most other dragon fights I guess he is decent.
Placidusax is like 6-7/10 but since all big bosses in the franchise are 0/10, this means Placidusax is 12/10 in comparison.
Placidusax is better than every other dragon fight because From can't make a fun fight with a normally shaped dragon body which Placidusax doesn't have to deal with.
Elden Ring fans are moronic slop eaters. Placidusax literally just sits there for 60% of its healthbar, boring as frick
Bayle is the worst dragon fight in all of from's games. Even Dragon God was more fun
>Bayle is the worst dragon fight in all of from's games
Midir*. Fricking autocorrect.
Putrescent Knight, Midra, Romina and Bayle were the only ones that were memorable in a good way for me. I think the trend started with Lady Maria in BB, crazy ass anime moves, is ruining the visual communication of the fights. It's mostly spectacle now, not good ludo.
I like thing. And that thing that you like? Yep, it's bad.
No!! 🙁
S - Bayle, Romina
C - Messmer, Rellana
Trash - Literally everything else
Overall i liked all of them aside from phase 2 Radahn, i'd like Relanna a bit more if you didn't have to dodge at the last possible frame in order to not get attacked by the second swing, Avatar melted a bit too quickly against fireballs for me to get a grasp on her, similarly snek Messmer melts to holy to a point where i didn't really learn his second phase before i got an opportunity to end the fight quickly
Midra was the MVP for me
>divine lion 7/10
Cool boss with an awesome spectacle, but it loses some points for it's moveset being difficult to follow and read
Relanna 3/10
Spammy chimp difficulty. Half the time I couldn't get a hit in and I won due to luck, not skill.
Golden Hippo 7/10
Great meme boss that made me giggle. Ultimately forgettable.
Scadutree Avatar 2/10
Spammy and way to long. It was an interesting idea but horrible execution.
Gaius - 6/10
Mostly fun, mostly fair. I had to really focus hard to dodge a lot of his moves and the only move I really had a problem with was his fast charge. I swear that if you get within a certain range of it it locks you out of a dodge. So many times I felt like I hit dodge and it just didn't respond.
Putersecent Knight 8/10
Cool boss, cool look, cool concept. I think the AOE was pushing it a little, but ultimately I thought it was a really creative fight.
Metyr 10/10
Genuinely surprising and I loved how it go super fricking weird with it. Especially how it followed with the priest.
Bayle 10/10
Best of the DLC. Amazing spectacle, fair moveset and the first time I was genuinely in awe
Messmer 6/10
Cool fight but it was a bit much in it's second half
Needle Knight Leda 4/10
Cool idea but, again, poor execution. Too much posie and the stamina is infuriating. The hand to hand guy is faster than you and won't stop chasing you. He drove me fricking insane.
Radahn 2/10
first phase is fine, second phase is inexcusably bad. It's so bad I didn't even bother to complete it. I'm not wasting my time, especially with the ending cutscene which has zero payoff
>the first time I was genuinely in awe
The transition into the second phase was genuinely stunning
>it was a bit much in it's second half
Messmer gets easier in 2nd phase.
Seriously. First time my mouth dropped open and I was just taken about. It was so fricking cool.
>Metyr 10/10
>Genuinely surprising and I loved how it go super fricking weird with it. Especially how it followed with the priest.
>
>Bayle 10/10
>Best of the DLC. Amazing spectacle, fair moveset and the first time I was genuinely in awe
Patrician taste. Loved everything about Metyr, it was like a love letter to Bloodborne. She also didn't suffer from the rollslop syndrome from bosses like radahn, messmer and rellanna.
The only good boss is Bayle, almost all others are trash except for a few mediocre ones.
Honorable mentions go to Death Knights because I think they look cool, and that Knight of Solitude or whatever at the very beginning because he ragdolled millions of shitters and that's funny.
The centipede lady legit felt like DS2 boss, no set-up, just a random monster they designed and thought was cool thrown at you
the lore was laughable too. I read her weapon and remembrance descriptions and they literally explain nothing. She's literally just some random lunatic who got the bud of scarlet rot in a burnt church and then turn into whatever the frick that is lol. If you cut her from the game, nothing changes.
Sounds like most of ER's bosses.
Yeah, was nice to just get a cool looking boss without some contextless cutscene that means absolutely nothing. Just a big monster that doesn't eat your entire screen and has a decent OST that isn't over the top screaming with wind instruments.
This was the only boss I was a bit dumbfounded by, felt a little out of place, and I beat her on the first try with the anvil hammer. She had a cool design though. That whole upper Rauh area was weird. It's the only area of the DLC I didn't like, mostly because there were so many bullshit enemies grouped up close together, and the checkpoints were few and far between.
the entire dlc feels like DS2 tier garbage. And now we'll get another ten years of arguing about that on this piece of shit board
Rellanna is even worse in that matter . Her only "setup" was another random Carian npc at the start of the dungeon. That's it.
Compare it to the Midra/Bayle kino.
CUUUUUUUUURSSSSSSSSSSE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU BAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I WILL RIDDLE WITH HOLES YOUR ROTTEN HIDE!
WITH A HAIL OF HARPOOOOOOOOOOOONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This shit makes me want to go back to DS1. I'm so sick of the obsession with making shit as over the top and spammy as possible.
Ah yes, such an engaging boss fight.
He's an engaging enough boss that they used him ten times in the base game of Elden Ring.
The elden ring erdtree avatars are based on the DS3 stray demon, no the anemic DS1 version.
Far better than The Old Hunters bosses
Only those I've defeated
Ranking the difficulty:
Rellana > Messmer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Romina > Gaius > Lion
Ranking how good they are
Messmer >>> Romina > Rellana >>> Lion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaius
All of them were shit except Scadutree Avatar and Radahn, for which I actually used the Sekiro parry avatar and realized this game could be fun.
Seriously though I'm just glad you can use mimic tear and every advantage against Radahn and he'll still be a fun challenge, unlike almost every other badly balanced pushover boss in this game.
How the frick do I access the northeast sections? I've killed Messmer and got to Radahn but there's a whole quarter of the map I can't access.
Use the "O Mother" gesture on the Marika statue to the right of the site of grace that leads to the Gaius bossfight. You can get the gesture on Bonny Village.
Thank you, snekboi melted like butter but Radahn is taking dick damage so I want more skibidis.
>How the frick do I access the northeast sections?
You need to use the O, Mother gesture in the room before Gaius.
How are you supposed to guess this? The same way you get to Haligtree in base.
>The same way you get to Haligtree in base.
Three different NPCs tell you that tho.
If you look at the map, its pretty obvious that the building should lead to the northeast part of the map. How you are supposed to know use the right emote, frick if I know, I just saw a message on the ground doing it
radahn part II is the only one the got an emotional reaction from me, I burst out laughing when miquella turns you gay. so that's a 10/10 from me.
Oh another fromwiener sucking thread?
Best place to pirate the game? I don't keep track of all the sites anymore.
moron
I think it's a good idea to go to Gaius immediately after starting the DLC. He is not that hard and he gives you like 6 fragments.
Lion: 2/10
It was thematically quite silly (literally two guys in a costume) and camera issues made it annoying.
Relanna: 8/10
She's a lot like melania except she trades out annoying on-hit effects like the healing and rot for having longer combos and doesn't stagger. Which I find to generally be a more enjoyable experience.
Hippo: 4/10
Entirely forgettable, frankly I don't even remember the fights.
Scadurtree avatar: 1/10
fighting three of them back to back was a funny joke for about 3 seconds the first time you see it, then it is just fricking annoying.
Romina: 4/10
Annoying hitbox tornado moves and camera issues make it an annoying fight
Bayle: 8/10
A solid fromsoft dragon fight. Going up against it with a freshly upgraded dragon slayer katana felt great.
Gaius: 9/10
Kino cavalry battle. I want to play through with a lance to give him the battle he deserves.
Putrescent knight: 8/10
Visually a really cool design. Feels very "horseman of the apocalypse." A great end to the fascinating area it is in thematically, but held back by the fight itself being rather lackluster.
Metyr: A lot of what I said for the putrescent knight. Interesting visually and thematically, an okay fight.
Midra: 5/10
Loses a lot of points frankly for just being annoying to actually get into the fight. Having to kill the tiny version and skip a cutscene every time is fricking annoying.
Messmer: 10/10
Sincerely my favorite fight in the DLC, and up there as one of the best in ER as a whole. Moveset is hard but not bullshit, cool visual design, the fricking works.
Leda: 2/10
The literal only thing that saves this gank squad fight from being a 1/10 is that you get to bring your own gank squad.
Radahn: Provisional 5/10
Just got to it, haven't beaten it yet. I feel like the damage values I am seeing to him and to myself are telling me to go collect more scadurtree blessings which is frankly just annoying.
Mechanically Radahn might be my favorite fight in the game. I was using deflect, but I think he works really well with it and I felt like my strategy really developed as the fight progressed, finding out where I can squeeze in a guard counter, where I should roll instead of deflect, where I can find time to get a buff in midfight, and for a company where my main complaint with their combat, both in Souls and Sekiro, is that so many fights just feels like learning the timing for when I press the defense button, whether that's deflect or dodge, Radahn was a rare instance of me having various defensive options available with each having their own benefits and drawbacks and I really enjoyed figuring out what worked where in both phases.
Deflect hardtear essentially makes it a different (much more fun) game and I regret not using it for every DLC boss. Radahn is my faovrite in the game now.
Just sucks that you can instantly tell when someone didn't use it because their impressions are completely different. Sekiro parry actually lets you keep up with ridiculous movesets.
>Deflect hardtear essentially makes it a different (much more fun) game
It is what everyone was telling FROM what the base game should be.
If Elden Ring had the Deflect Tear/Sekiro style deflect, it would be a 11/10 experience
As it stands ita a fun band-aid to an endemic problem
Not really. People would just call it parry slop because people here have no opinions of their own.
Yeah , I think Sekiro tear should just be the default way deflect works.
>Divine Lion
9/10
Just a very good boss all around, design and moveset is on point, the theme with the chinese lion dance and the japanese four season dance is really well done
>Rellana
7/10
She's okay, but her moveset is nothing particularly interesting and anything with a full field AoE where you have to memorize the timing stinks of MMO bullshi
>Skibiditree
6/10
I like the gimmick where it's reborn three times and gets more moves, but overall it's a pretty boring fight with some cheap bullshit like the surprise RNG AoE explosion on repeat when it's almost dead in phase 3, also lots of wonky hitboxes like the homing roots make this worse than it should be
>Romina
7/10
It's nothing special honestly, it does its job, it has no bullshit like Skibiditree or Putrescent Knight but it's also fairly unmemorable, a similar problem to Rellana where neither have a real presence in the setting
>Gaius
7/10
I'd give it an 8/10 if the charge hitboxes weren't bullshit and he wasn't completely invincible during the charge for no good reason, if the Fallingstar beast doesn't get a free ticket for its charges neither should Gaius, it's a good fight outside of that detail though.
>Putrescent Knight
5/10
Honestly the cheapest boss outside of Radahn, runs away all the fricking time and has absurdly dishonest range on top of that cancerous fullscreen ghostflame AoE, being a glass cannon that gets melted by Holy is the only saving grace of this piece of shit because at least you can erase him fast enough to avoid his cancerous AoE spam.
Offscreen rape horse tackles are probably one of the most offensive things FROM has done.
>Metyr
6/10
Discount Bloodborne boss, cool idea but completely unmemorable and fairly helpless too.
>Midra
9.5/10
Really good fight, just very well done and the buildup is exceptional
>Messmer
10/10
Best boss fight in ER together with Mohg, simple as
>Radahn
4/10
Terrible fight, utterly dishonest bullshit on the level of LRP Zinaida, second phase is beyond bad.
>Bayle
8/10
Igon and the run through Jagged Peak carries the fight, other than that is ye olde super dragon fight
Other than the main bosses though:
>Demihuman Swordmaster Onze
8/10
Demihuman Virgil will never not be funny and it's a genuinely good fight as well
>Golden Hippo
6/10
Fight against the camera rather than the boss, thankfully you can shred him with tons of spells so it's not overly annoying
>Skeleton Dragon
6/10
I like how the one in the Cerulean Coast can summon skellies like Tibia, but other than that it's mostly just a dragon with a better moveset and more AoE
>Death Knights
9/10
Both are so good it's a damn shame there's only two of them and are both stuck in a mausoleum, amazing minibosses
>Jori Elder Inquisitor
8/10
Really good wizard fight, overall really well done and a nice surprise on the way to Midra
>Lamenter
8/10
Very nice gimmick fight, didn't expect it at all and it's good to see FROM can still come up with nice gimmicks
>Leda's JRPG party
8/10
Pretty nice story fight especially if you summon Ansbach and Thiollier to bro op, having a 3 vs 3 battle royale with actually meaty and well designed invaders was a really good idea, basically DS2' gank squad but done correctly for a change
Messmer, Midra, Bayle and Romina are the only bosses I love. The rest are either mediocre or just complete dogshit. Messmer and Bayle are probably the best bosses in the entire game.
I can't believe how many people are saying they loved Bayle but hated Radahn. I fricking hated Bayle, it was every bad thing about From's dragon boss fights in one package. The presentation was good, but fighting him was miserable. Radahn was harder but I had way more fun fighting him, I got sick of Bayle before I even tried him 10 times.
>it was every bad thing about From's dragon boss fights in one package
That would be Midir, at least Bayle isn't an annoying homosexual that runs away constantly, has an ungodly large HP pool and only one weak point, Bayle also tries to kill you instead of being discount Godzilla with a terrible aim
I don't like Midir either, but I have to at least give him that it's pretty easy to control the camera and reliably stay in range hit his head, and that alone puts him over dragon fights like Bayle where doing that feels so unreliable that you're going to be manually controlling the camera and hitting his legs and tail half the time which I can't stand.
Midir is the literally the best dragon fight in fromsoft's catalogue, what are you talking about.
It was a stroke of genius to have its head being the weak point since it forced you to face him head on, which also allowed you to see all his moves. All other dragon fights revolve around hit the feet/tail and guessing which attack is coming next. Bayle and Placidusax faced the same problem, albeit slightly less so compared to the generic dragons or the other Saxes.
>Midir is the literally the best dragon fight in fromsoft's catalogue, what are you talking about.
You gotta be kidding me, that dumb homosexual is completely helpless and forces you to either chase him and whack his head or shoot the shit out of him at range because anything else takes way too much time for something that can barely even hit you in the first place.
At least something like Placy has the decency of not forcing you to wait for its head to be in range and actually engages with you rather than constantly running away and shooting magic missilies and godzilla beams.
Bayle can actually aim shit at you and is completely fair in how you can engage him as you have not only two weak points of your choosing for melee but he's so fricking fat you can also just shred him comfortably with Shard Spiral or Pest Thread Spear if you're a caster, killing Midir on the other hand is excruciatingly boring because he does his best to be an annoying piece of shit who refuses to engage with you and keeps shooting at your for that one lucky shot that might hit you.
>Midir is the literally the best dragon fight in fromsoft's catalogue, what are you talking about.
... on opposite day
Messmer was the only good thing about this dlc.I can't be fricked to fight Midra. The two gay boys deserved to be cheesed by perfume shitters.
Loved Messmer and Midra.
Hated Radahn and Bayle.
Annihilated everything else too easily and didn't really get to know them.
The entire DLC was a mid experience. Highs being Relanna and Messmer and, while a shitty fight, toppling the challenge of Radahn felt incredible. The open world was bland and weirdly almost entirely empty. Side dungeons while largely improved over the base games were still redundant tile sets and relatively same-y so nothing great plus they resolved in what was usually a boring red spirit tier fight.
Too many of the remebrances lacked a dungeon of value. like literally just true main game required remembrances had ones. sad. finally, the abrupt end. You topple a god and a lord and that's it. ya dun. no music, nothing cool, no credits. NADDA
>Lion
6/10, the camera genuinely makes this fight unfun, and then its attacks are have obnoxious timings with hard to read animations AND AOEs out the ass.
>Rellana
4/10, probably the weakest fight in the DLC. Everything bad about Elden Ring combat. Delayed attacks, combos based on positioning (I hope you're not trying to create space between you and her!), repositioning around to frick with your camera etc
>Skibidi Avatar
7/10, great presentation, good and fair attacks. Enjoyable.
>Gaius
7/10 normally, 10/10 with the parry hardtear. Amazing fight if you're perfect guarding. Being able perfect guard his charge is so satisfying. All his attacks have intuitive timings, he has good spectacle and even his BS isn't that bad and can be worked around.
>Putrescent Knight
5/10, too much stupid shit. Not fun to learn, not fun to fight even when you learn its attacks. Second worst fight in the DLC.
>Bayle
9/10, finally a good follow up to Midir. Literally the all the other dragon fights in the base game suck. Except Placidusax, but he's just OK. He feels like Midir on crack and you basically fight him the same way too. Only annoying shit is the AOE spam and his laser has some questionable hitboxes.
>Messmer
8/10, first phase is based, 2nd is ehhh the snakes aren't hard to dodge but it feels jank. Maybe they should have made his arena a bit bigger.
>Midra
10/10 I love it, the quintessential (madness) old man from fight and it's just so much fun.
>Metyr
8/10 I enjoy the presentation. The fight is pretty good too.
>Radahn
6/10. Eh. I miss Gael.
I liked them all except for Radahn. Midra was the most fun and the cutscene was the most cinematic. Bayle (with tip) is one of the most kino fights in the entirety of souls shit. Romina was a nightmare to fight but in a fun way. Messmer was very average. Funny laughing crying cloning inflatable flailing arms tube man was a really unique fight. The 4 cardinal direction gaols were pretty good npc fights. I fricked up the ganksquad and only had to fight Leda and Dryleaf so I can't really give an opinion on it.
The rest blur together right now I only went through the game once.
>Messmer was very average
... and by "average" I mean one of the best Fromsoft bosses.
I didn't find the way to his room until way late into my run (already found the sealing tree) so I was probably over scadu'd for him I think.
I kind of expected more from his phase 2. Him turning into a giant snake head for quick attacks is not what I expected. That part of his fight felt weak, like he was just an npc invader with a dragon chomp but its snek spell.
He did impale me once which was really flashy but I didn't even die to it.
>like he was just an npc invader
Which NPC invader has attacks with the size of the entire room?
I'm just saying his phase 2 snake stuff is just the dragon snapping spell but as a snake. I expected something more from him.
Divine Lion
4 (literally reused)
Relanna
7 (derivative of pontiff and lady maria)
Hippo
2
Gaius
3 (genuinely broken)
Putrescent Knight
5
Midra
9
Messmer
8
Bayle
8
Radahn
4 (everything wrong with modern fromsoft boss design/ER design, Lothric and Lorian, Radahn reused, rng dependant boss, fought him 20 times and i still don't know how i dodged half his attacks, flashbangs)
the best boss in the game was the npc vs npc showdown for Elden Lord at the end
>radahn/miquella that high
it's pretty damn fun as long as you buff up your defences high and expect to get hit by the aoes sometimes
>buffs
talismans, physick defence buff, and boiled prawn/holy liver if you're really scared in the 2nd phase. makes it all a lot more manageable
sound pretty gay man
no wonder you dont like the fight then
took me less than twenty tries, died more to messmer and rellana so it has nothing to do with it
You forogt bayle
So who is officially the hardest From boss ever? Is it Rellana or Radahn?
Rellana isn't even a contender. Malenia's harder than Radahn.
Rellana is harder than Malenia.
The frick she is
I beat Rellana in like 15 minutes, I don't get what all the fuss is. She's not even that fast.
He is trying to turn her into another waifu so he can fill threads with posts about a throwaway boss
>Malenia's harder than Radahn
are you joking?
No. Radahn doesn't have any move like Waterfowl that can singlehandedly make or break the attempt and he leaves pretty punishable openings on moves like when he's pulling the sword from the ground or his cross slash. He's still very hard, but it didn't take me as long to beat him as Malenia at all.
i mean Melania is dogshit but she is pretty squishy also you can just run when she does waterfowl
I'm not saying Waterfowl has no counter, but it's still a more threatening move than any one move Radahn has and while she has the weakness of low posture and crumbling more to a heavy offense, I still think the amount of punish windows Radahn leaves and not having any one move as strong as Waterfowl made for an easier boss overall. Still probably second hardest in the game, but I beat him quicker than Malenia.
>but it's still a more threatening move than any one move Radahn has
... if you have brain damage.
Same. It took me like 2 hours to beat Radahn and I was thinking that this was the hardest fight in the game, but then I thought back and I'm pretty sure I was stuck on Malenia at least twice as long. I never figured out how to dodge waterfowl so I used a shield just for that part.
Radahn, he is also arguably one of the worst bosses fromsoft has ever made, a shame really
I think the hardest boss they've made is giga Radahn, followed by Sword Saint Isshin, then Malenia, then Orphan of Kos.
>followed by Sword Saint Isshin
You are brown as shit. Isshin is EXTREMELY easy. I would say he is around 20 times easier than Malenia. Isshin is around the same difficulty as Romina from the DLC
I never get why people make such a big thing of Isshin's difficulty. The hardest boss in Sekiro for me was easily Juzou the Drunkard and that was just because I wasn't used to playing the game yet, after I figured it out by fighting him nothing else in the game was especially challenging. Even then I'd say old man Isshin is harder than Sword Saint because you have to deal with the fire, which is a rare instance for the game of not being able to just deflect or simon says through your problems.
>I never get why people make such a big thing of Isshin's difficulty.
They are brown.
Ishin was challenging done right, took me about 4 tries but god that final run i was flawless, as your final go should be.
When i beat Radahn i didn't feel like i bested his skills or knew his attacks well, i just felt like i got good rng and i was annoyed, what happened to fromsoft, Radahn feels like if Dark Souls 2 obsession with "lol im a hard game" rep was made into a boss
>Ishin was challenging
He wasn't.
he was, you are just a master by the time you get to him so it's fun
I had no issues with any of the bosses but isshin and to a much lesser extent guardian ape
I felt like I learned Radahn and knew his attacks well at the end, and I also felt I had come up with a variety of ways to deal with those attacks instead of it all just being a matter of learning the timing to defend.
Radahn is if "Elden Ring was a boss fight"
>isshin
got BTFOd by DSP first try
It's either Radahn or Malenia, but both are fricking stupid for the wrong reasons. The previous because you're constantly blinded and can't see his combos and the latter because it'd be an easy fight if not for one move.
Shoutout to pre-nerf base game Radahn who had hitboxes half his arena. I think he's a contender as well. Either Miquella Radahn/Radahn/Malenia.
Consort Radahn is the best souls boss ever made and if you think otherwise you're a shitter
What is golden Hippo doing here?
It is a boss tier list for the dlc.
>Consort Radahn is the best souls boss ever made
why
NTA but i can kind of agree. if you come in solo with no shield and just learn how to avoid all his attacks the whole fight flows incredibly satisfyingly. even the 2nd phase which seems bullshit at first just requires you to be calm and precise with your rolls. it's so good
waterfowl is objectively harder than any one move radahn has. the level of precision you have to execute to avoid it is higher even than the flurry that ends in the giant aoe in phase 2. that being he said waterfowl is literally the only hard thing about malenia
>waterfowl is objectively harder than any one move radahn has.
.... if you have some sort of nerve damage that prevents you from pressing buttons.
what move in radahn is harder/more dangerous than waterfowl?
Literally every single move without exceptions in second phase.
a lot of his combos are the exact same from phase 1, just with some aoes in the front that force you to stay close. you're delusional
Yeah and Waterfowl that you worship so much is just running away, roll forward, roll forward again - the end.
radahn is literally a bullet hell boss and you are complaining about malenia, 2 years later, amazing
somebody post the webm, even the no hit content creators and dark souls channels talk about how fricking stupid tryhard radahn is
damn you guys are really mad about not being able to beat this boss, you should try playing better
humiliation ritual post.
So sad to see.
i beat the boss 2 days ago, no summons, wearing militia men garbs, ranahs blades, turtle talisman, erdtree favor, and prosthesis, no summons, in less than an hour, go frick yourself
scadutree level 15
How is that different from Malenia at launch? The exact same thing happened. Lets compare the difficulty 2 years from now, when people have had more experience with the fight.
Malenia wasn't hard, she just had unfun bullshit gimmicks and toolkit, Radahn is just fricking stupidly trying way too hard, the boss fight equivalent of a man with a small penis driving an expensive sports car
If you want to put it that way sure. But in the end, both are/were bosses that take a long time to learn and kill, so they are hard. I dont know what problem souls-fans have with calling things hard.
i guess you are right but why things are hard to me matters more than whether or not they are hard
Not as dangerous as waterfowl but his X cross attack seems to be literally undodgeable. I haven't seen anyone manage to dodge it consistently and even ongbal had to use the parry tear instead of dodging on his no hit fight.
Maybe you're talking about a different attack, but the only cross slash I can think of I dodged everytime. I was using deflect, but I would specifically not deflect that and dodge it instead because you get a punish off the dodge and not the deflect.
I'm talking about the one where he does a consecutive slash with each sword and then a third one which creates a shockwave that you dodge by rolling towards him. If you dodge the first slash you get roll punished by the second one. I fought Radahn like 30 times and the only times I "dodged" the attack was because of some elevation in the area that prevented the attack from hitting me.
That is the one I was thinking of, but it's only the third part of it I dodged, you can deflect the first two slashes and dodge through the last and get a punish after. I can imagine the difficulty of dodging the first two though as they're fast.
Are you talking about the move he does in phase 1 or phase 2? In phase 1, you avoid it by dodging sideways along opposite directions. Left-right-left. It gives you just enough extra distance to do the 2nd dodge before his sword connects.
Tried that several times and didn't work. Granted I was mid rolling, but still bullshit that an attack REQUIRES light roll to be dodged.
It's not one attack, it's the fact that Radahn is way more punishing if you make a mistake. If you get hit by a light beam, you are almost guaranteed to get hit by his next attack since it stops you in place, and from there likely will get hit by another attack in his combo. There's basically no room for mistakes the whole fight, whereas Malenia is way more forgiving on her attacks (with the exception of waterfowl, which is her main threat).
i agree, it's why i think he's a much better fight. malenias difficulty is so centered around that one move it just makes the whole thing awkward as you're always waiting for her to do it. with radahn you're ALWAYS in danger with each combo he does
regardless most people have the sense to consider melania and radahn dogshit bosses, you on the other hand
>Appeal to popularity
See?
most people are shit at the game and don't know how to do things like use specific defensive talismans or use the right flask setups
malenia still sucks though
>use specific defensive talismans or use the right flask setups
Will Cole be a better hand?
No
>if you come in solo with no shield
ive never used a shield in these games beyond having grass crest shield on my back, and never use summons either (other than the npc fight)
> his attacks the whole fight flows incredibly satisfyingly
no they don't, maybe int he first phase they do but no they don't, frick outta here
>i can dodge all of radahn's second phase barrages and swings, it's so satisfying
>i can't dodge waterfowl
liar
when did i say i couldn't dodge it homosexual, it just took me way longer to learn than anything from radahn
anon, you got lucky fighting radahn like most people
He's the most skill-based boss with a hyper aggressive moveset is why
>want to roll slop to beat him
You can do it
>want to parry his ass
You can do it
>want to sekiro his ass
You can do it
>want to summon mimic
You can do it
>want to use an OP weapon to stance break / bleed his ass
You can do it
>want to hide behind a great shield like a b***h
You can do it
There's no bullshit / gimmick shit with this boss but pure skill
>There's no bullshit / gimmick shit
The oneshot meteor in phase 2 is the definition of bullshit.
you got hit by the meteor? i accidentally unplugged my controller and still managed to dodge it in the scramble to get my shit together.
>you got hit by the meteor?
it's 5 of his after image beams wtf are you talking about meteor
they are all meateaters
i was thinking of the start of phase 3, my bad. that move fricked me in the ass on some of my best attempts
they all blur together anyways, im sick of the big flashy spectacle fights, i was dropping 5 frames every time miquella moved his homosexual hands
idk how i even managed to get through it, half the time i couldn't tell what was going on, and the other half i was getting thrown around like a ragdoll
Everyone who says Malenia is harder than Rellana is brown as shit.
>dragonirian seething because his gimmick got called out
you love to see it
Rellana doesn't have Waterfowl.
>B-b-b-b-b-BUT MUH WATERFOWL, IT'S LIKE THE HARDEST ATTACK EVER EVEN THOUGH YOU CAN EASILY FRICKING DODGE IT 100% OF TIMES
Shut the FRICK up.
Put Bayle at B (carried hard by Igon) and move messmer up and it’s right.
Every tier list where Messmer is not top tier is worthless.
Is it true you don't get any new endings or anything lore wise on Melina in this DLC?
Melina is a base game character so she is not in the DLC.
I was wondering if you could get some other way to burn the erdtree and actually went there when I got messmer's flame, but you can only use it on the sealing tree. What a fricking letdown. This entire thing just felt like an irrelevant sidequest.
I beat the dlc earlier and have not noticed anything new about Meli.
The gravity suck
>The gravity suck
roll when he raises his arms up. if you get sucked in run away and maybe roll a bit if you were close to him. how is that harder?
It got obscured by other shit on screen removes 3/4 of my health.
Maybe I should have gone in at the base ng or something, idk. It was insane until I switched to the fingerprint.
Yeah phase 1 was just a formality by the time I finally beat the fight.
Phase 1 gravity suck is pretty easy, just run away when he sucks and then do two rolls when he hits the ground, no fricking clue what to do about Phase 2 though
Nobody has any issue with Radahn phase 1.
Funny enough, you do pretty much the same thing. Dodge the first rocks as normal, run backwards during the multi attack until he slams the ground, then dodge the second wave the same way as the first one. It's ironic that the attack looks super threatening but is actually his easiest one to dodge. I kept getting chipped constantly by the lights after attacks but managed to deal with the rock wave consistently after I stopped panicking.
i've never seen a boss drop in quality and fun so hard between phases like it did for Radahn consort, holy
Stuck at mesmmer and it's already the most unfun boss I ever had the displeasure of finding in a soul games, how bad does it get later?
Radahn is the worst boss they have ever made, makes Messmer look like Artorias or Gwyn by comparison
He's not so bad once you get the hang of him. Other bosses are mostly pretty nice. The final boss will make you question why you even bother playing the game though with how it is designed.
>Liked:
Bayle, Relanna, Putty Knight, Midra
>Meh
Lion, Scadutree Avatar, Romina, Metyr, Hippo,
>Frustrating
Gaius, Radahn,
>Made me upset because I did him way too early and spent an evening on him because of it:
Messmer
Just killed Radahn in 7 tries. I one shotted Romina and Metyr.
G-g-g-g-goys.... I'm so scared of Waterfowl *sniff* it's like you have to press circle not ONE but TWO times to completely evade it, I'm pissing my pants just thinking about it.
If I haven't played Elden Ring (or any soulslike) since initial release, am I gonna get gobsmacked by this DLC?
No as long as you get the Scadutree Fragments.
Depends how quick your muscle memory returns to you i guess, but instead of going for the meaty shit you can go gather the collectible that makes you stronger first, also there was a patch to make the early game easier so
An official patch that came out, or an unofficial one?
Official patch
If you're struggling with Radahn get 50 arcane and Bloodfiend's Arm. Swap it to blood with Lion's claw and you will rape him
literally anyone can do that, a fricking monkey can do that, this doesn't make the boss better
I don't get how the frick you're supposed to learn Radahn phase 2. There's so much laser vomit on the screen that I legit can't even see what he's doing. Is Fromsoft stupid? They know better than this.
He's 100% getting nerfed like OG Radahn was.
flashbang
>Is Fromsoft stupid? They know better than this.
Doing this is part of their marketing hype engine, unironically.
Everyone hates it and with Radahn they are fed up and calling them out.
anon this entire DLC was basically a research study
they wanted to see how far they could push difficulty with this current generation before people started breaking
but it's easy enough to just give people more damage negation and stuff with the shadow tree fragments, as they just did
now that they understand people's limits the next game will have a nice difficulty curve to it
this is all cope btw
This collective meltdown over Radahn is the exact same that happens every time a new souls game comes out with a super hard endgame boss. In 2 years time when the next one comes out you'll all be pretending he was easy the whole time while crying about the new one
Cool and fair: Messmer, Putreknight, Sunflower
Cool, but weak: Metyr, Chaos Flame Lord
Cool, but kinda bs: Rot scorpion lady
Cool and very bs: Bayle
I don't care if they're cool, they're bullshit and/or glitched and I hate the fight because of it: Radahn, Gaius
Not cool and stupid bullshit but not as bullshit as the prior category but what's the point of a boss if it's not cool: Lion, Rellana
>Divine Lion - 10/10
Great design, great music, great mechanics
>Relanna - 5/10
Boring no dialogue generic knight with Malenia tier attacks. No stagger is bullshit.
>Hippo - 5/10
Upgraded normal enemy turned into a mid boss so whatever.
>Scadu Avatar - 7/10
Cool design and a breath of fresh air since all the other bosses are so combo crazy.
>Putrescent Knight - 7/10
This guy is fricking annoying and likes to run away like a b***h. Tedious to fight. Carried by cool music and design.
>Gaius - 7/10
Difficult fight. He's just okay.
>Metyr - 8/10
Cool design, cool music and atmosphere. Doesn't really DO anything cool though and is pretty easy.
>Midra - 10/10
Great music and is difficult without being too unfair with combo spam. This is what humanoid bosses should be like.
>Messmer - 9/10
Also another great fight that isn't too spammy. He's just solid.
>Radahn - 9/10
Great music, great atmosphere, and most importantly gets bonus points for being the only boss that LETS YOU HEAL IN FRONT OF HIM
Metyr's new attacks on phase 2 are pretty crazy, though. Particularly her super beam.
You can skip Lion until pretty much before Radahn, right?
Messmer and Romina are the only required bosses for the final dungeon
Wait, so you don't even need to beat Rallena?
How do you get to the other section beyond the castle keep she blocks?
I think if you go under the bridge you can get to Scadu Altus by some spiritspring.
This DLC is the most nonlinear From thing ever so you can do whatever the FRICK you want.
- 8/10
Ahahahaha... AHAHAHAHAHA.
Frick you.
I beat Divine Lion first try, am I overlevelled for the DLC?
You can't really be overlevelled, only over scooby snacked which you're probably not.
no, you just used summons
also take that seal off you will probably get one shot in the dlc with it on at some point
>take that seal
Which one?
the soreseal/scarseal, cant tell which one. they're good for early game but the increased damage taken will frick you over in the dlc
Ah, I see. Thanks anon.
I do have them, but I also like being able to get tips through the user messages. Therefore I deal with the moronic black bars.
>mimic tear
>magic
>all that stamina
>NPC summon
You didn't beat it.
get uw mods you uncivilized pleb, what's the point of running that res in 16:9
If you’re using a Spirit Ash and are a caster then the DLC is a snooze fest. Without an ash to draw aggro it’s infuriating.
It's insane how much less fun the bosses in ER are than in BB or Sekiro. They already nailed the combat in this formula, but they choose to walk it back because uhhhh why? Muh heckin respecs and pokemon type weaknesses? Really? It's not like the game even gives you enough stones to have that wardrobe of 10 builds this would require anyway.
With how many runes you get in the DLC on top of them being basically worthless seeing as levelling up won't make much difference anymore you can easily get more stones than you'll ever need. I had hundreds of each type by the end of it.
Radahn with deflect is more fun than BB and Sekiro bosses.
homie I beat 90% of the game using only Dryleaf Arts.
The DLC bosses only felt hard until I switched from the extremely light armor I was used in base game for light rolling to heavier stuff. You can facetank most stuff with heavy armor and decent talismans.
Except Radahn P2. I don't know what the frick they were smoking for that.
Is Consort Radahn the new hardest fromsoft boss fight?
No. Only because he is so bullshit that people should not be putting him on any power ranking or tier list.
Its like the flash power gap memes but in real life.
The first phase isn't so bad but the second is definitely the hardest shit from these Black folk.
No
This guy is a pushover in comparison to Super Radahn.
Yes I would definitely say so. No room for error the whole second phase, very limited windows to get damage in, and it's a long fight since he has an ungodly amount of health and resistances.
Who would it even be if not him? Previously the title belonged to either Melena or Orphan. He's definetly harder than Melena, and he makes Orphan look slow. He's definetly the hardest boss in the entire "series".
It's kind of hard to compare Sekiro to other Soulslikes still think Sword Saint Isshin is harder
Like yeah, if I don't use summons, shields, status ailments, magic, over-level, gather up all the scadutree fragments I can, use the golden braid talisman, etc - then yeah Radahn is harder.
But the game hands me all that shit so how can I compare the two honestly?
Sekiro is (by far) my favorite From game and SS Isshin is my favorite boss, but i don't think he's anywhere close to the hardest. Sekiro is overall one of the easiest From games once you actually learn to play it.
how bout you don't use the summons or status ailments to start
Radahn is SO susceptible to status ailments that I genuinely feel like the devs are trying to funnel you into a rot or poison build for him
I still think Malenia is harder. I spent all day running at Malenia. Like legit an entire day fighting her.
Consort Radahn was like 6 hours.
Yes I'm shit at these games. Both are awful fights.
>best fight
[your most hated boss]
>worst fight
[your favorite boss]
case closed, gang
Curse you anon! I hereby vow you will rue this day. Behold, a true shitposter! Your fears made flesh! Solid of irony you might be, foul Gankertard, but i will riddle with holes your rotten post! With a hail of (You)s! With every last drop of my being!
Bayle was harder for me than radahn 2.0
he has a lot of bullshit attacks but I felt like a shield did so much for his fight
havent beat radahn yet but done all the others
i only struggled with divine beast because i didnt have skidibi fragments
once i went around collecting them i breezed through every boss besides bayle who was hard but fair
dlc really should of just been balanced around a level 150 character when character power plateaus and removed the fragments
I beat Radahn on sunday and I didn't fight have of these, wtf. How did I skip so much.
I'm fighting Bayle right now, and the lock on is pure cancer. When he does any melee attack you will instantly be inside his body and then the camera spasms begin. Playing without locking is also fricking tiring since he jumps all over the place.
>Lion
6/10, camera was ass, reused later
>Rellana
8/10, would be better if her combos had more room for you to weave in hits. Was still fun
>hippo
4/10, forgettable and reused as an overworld enemy several times, size was scaled too large to feel good
>Scadutree avatar
5/10 Cool design, Aoe spam was annoying, final phases explosion is some mario maker shit
>Midra
9/10, for some reason the madness boss was the most fair feeling
>Bayle
9/10, actually a good dragon fight so long as you do Igors questline
>Romina
7/10, janky feeling to hit and felt out of place.
>Putrescent Knight
4/10, tons of reused assets and was too mobile
>Gaius
2/10, wasn't fun in the slightest because of his janky ass charge attack
>Finger mother
6/10, not very fun but wasn't too bullshit
>Messmer
8/10, cool fight overall, the last phase has one really hard move so rng can frick you
>Radahn
3/10, first time one of these games made me put on damage negation buffs to have a fighting chance, there's just too much shit going on in phase 2. Its still cool but the gameplay in the fight is absurd and highlights whats wrong with this game
>for some reason the madness boss was the most fair feeling
definitely did not expect the DOT boss to be the most balanced and fair one
>and highlights whats wrong with this game
i agree but you mind putting it into words
Helping people kill these spastic bosses as a melee chad is so moronic. The bosses zap all over the place. Might have to come up with a caster build to help anons out
Gaius is making me seethe like crazy frick this shit
The boss is straight up bugged. So bugged you can trick him into running into a world by going around a corner and then just spam AoEs through the wall to kill him easily. If you want to beat him legit you’re going to have a pretty painful experience. Torrent is really dogshit even with the Revered Ash buffs and fighting Gayss on your feet is very shitty.
I meant ‘wall’ not world.
this dlc is so mid
That’s been my overall feeling. I love exploring the world and fighting enemies is engaging. Then you get to the major boss fights and the quality nosedives. And as a FTH player seeing so many new incantations just be straight up dogshit is very annoying. Especially when From clearly learned their lesson when they buffed the base game incants over the years. It’s like they regressed.
Oh and mind you the exploration aspect isn’t as engaging as the base game was on release. Because the rewards are awful. Random smithing stones and broken runes all over the fricking place. I love the world design and layouts but then they just filled it with junk items and expected the player to be satisfied with that. And of course billions of cookbooks.
I don’t really regret getting the DLC but it leaves a slur taste in my mouth KNOWING it could have been so much better.
Sour not slur. Jesus I must be tired.
Just deflect.
>complain about boss
>immediately beat it afterwards
It keeps happening
Taking a little break, no matter how small and insignificant it is, sometimes can be pretty useful
When i was struggling with Malenia for hours i beat her in the small time i stopped to set up a stream for my friends then on my first attempt after that i got her
i have sex or jerk off everytime im in a streak of bad attempts
Dark Souls 1+2 were the only good souls games / the last good games FROM ever made.
based Dark Souls 3 enjoyer, but weird way of mentioning it
I feel like the archaic lock-on system is what makes people have issues beating these bosses at low scat levels. If you unlock from them, the fights become much easier and fun.
However the default button layout for controller is a bit awkward when unlocked so one should change the button binds around to optimize their experience.
haven't played shadow yet, any boss better than pic related?
No
Friede sucks
The only bosses even remotely close are Messmer and Midra and neither are anywhere near as kino.
jesus christ what happened
only friede is good, gael felt like I was falling asleep while rolling his predictable combos
Gael isn't supposed to be unpredictable
Yeah and he is not challenging at all so he is boring sadly.
I know, he's just a guy with a sword. playing pvp is more fun than that fight
Same.
close, Messmer, Midra.
Bayle is better than Midir tho
god fricking no
god the bosses were strong then
>Lion
2/10 ass. Salvageable if the arena was larger & the camera was zoomed out maybe 20 or 30 percent
>Rellana
3/10 pure adderall slop. Non existent attack windows for the player, & seems to have no logic whatsoever on what attack she does or whether or not she finishes her combos one way or another
>gold hippo
3/10 forgettable. The charge attack has an unreasonably small dodge window & the arena is far too small
>Tree avatar
5/10 annoying. Very cool arena but lasts way too long
>Romina
8/10 Sexy. Looks amazing and was a fun fight. The only boss with both readable moves and fair damage windows. Why no cutscene or mention leading up to her?
>Gaius
1/10 have a nice day. Pure bullshit, there isn't a single positive thing I can say about this homosexual. 1 point for the troll of allowing the player to summon your horse that's instantly raped and gets you killed
>Putrescent Knight
4/10 annoying. Cool boss and arena but obnoxious everything else.
>Meytr Mother
6/10 Decent. Cool quest, boss, and arena. A few stupid attacks but overall pretty good
>Midra
9/10 Awesome. Only boss other than Romina that allows the player to attack it every once in a while. Looks amazing and was a fair fight. I wish the manor was a larger area
>Messmer
9/10 Incredible. Only complaint is the lack of readability and has some needlessly delayed attacks
>Bayle
6/10 Camera & AOE/10. Just zoom the fricking camera out, its not that much to ask for. Modders can help him greatly
>Radahn
0/10 fingerprint shield/10. Indefensible in every way. This is why the US should have dropped more bombs
>Scudatree blessings
0/10 idea. What seems like the better idea if you don't want players to do a boss rush on your new DLC?
>scatter like 50 arbitrary items throughout random parts of the map that are absolutely necessary if you don't want the player to be two shot by any of your overtuned boss' 9 attacks in one of their combos
>OR
>Put a fricking locked door in front of the boss
take me back
Gael is so boring, I can't believe how popular that fight is.
sorry fellas, wrong pic, any bosses better than these dlc bosses
stop. please
Best Elden Ring bosses were Morgott, Mogh, and Rellana. That's about it, and maybe Messmer.
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>hundreds of bosses btw
Lady Maria still the peak unfortunately.
we can never go back can we
god I hope we don't
yeah because the bosses in shadow and base game are so great
Correct.
>missbegotten and tree sentinel for the 12th time
glad that we agree
>Elden Ring fans can't detect sarcasm
did your brain iframe through it?
sorry but you already conceded
might want to add /s next time
You dumb mother frickers do this every time new content comes out. In a few years you'll be saying that this DLC was the peak of Fromsoft
>You dumb mother frickers do this every time new content comes out. In a few years you'll be saying that this DLC was the peak of Fromsoft
you homosexuals say that about people here who don't like Elden Ring, well 2 years have pass and i still think it's a bloated overrated mess of a game
You never played it. You also probably never played any of the earlier titles either.
>using mesmers weapon to kill radahn
i approve
>used a weapon art
you didn't beat the dlc
those bosses were kino day 1 moron
the bosses from oldhunters, ashes, and ringed city didn't need a few years for the overwhelming majority of people to like them
At least post some good bosses.
they really ran out of ideas by the time they got to ER, but Midra and Bayle were good so it's not all bad
Both of these are so fricking overrated. Friede is a cringe ass boss that makes the game seem like a parody of itself, it's a big dude who flagelates himself while screaming nonsense and hitting you with a lordvessel coupled with an anime waifu with cryptic backstory and it has 3 phases just for the sake of being hard. It's a parody of the souls series but somehow real. And Gael is cool but he's also stretching Dark Soul's limits of flanderization with his "old hobo saying nonsense and he's also Guts" schtick. Also neither of them are particularly memorable boss fights, i actually can't even remember most of that Gael does because i beat him first time. Elden Ring and Bloodborne have far better DLC bosses
>it has 3 phases just for the sake of being hard.
Friede wasn't that hard or trying to be difficult for the sake of being difficult, that would be Radahn.
Your DLC has 3 good bosses, tops, 2 years for 3 good bosses
What do you mean "my" DLC homie, i don't work for From. Friede has zero impact as a boss because she's a confusing non-character, you just walk into a chapel and start fighting this nun with a scythe. The best bosses in this series are the ones that, in addition to being a good fight, leave a lasting impact in their presentation in addition to being story-significant. Gael certainly accomplishes those categories, but Bayle, Midra, Messmer and Radahn all shit over Friede (and the... dude with a wolf? I can't even remember what the other boss of her DLC was)
hey amigo just don't reply to people who are arguing in bad faith
it's literally that easy
>and Radahn
all people are talking about is how frick anticlimactic it was bringing radahn back into this and making him a homosexual and rehashing the lothric and lorain fight with flashbangs and street fighter combos, frick outta here homie, even the people who glaze the dlc say radahn was pretty meh and trying too hard to be "the hard boss"
Dunno what to tell you, i liked Radahn and Miquella. It felt like i was actually fighting a God. And even if you disagree on that front, the rest of my argument still stands. DS3 has very mediocre DLC bosses
>It felt like i was actually fighting a God
it was just lothric and lorian but bad
>It felt like i was actually fighting a God.
what does that even mean
That that setting, presentation and overall power level of the boss properly conveyed the feeling that i'm a mortal trying to stand against a God. It felt, and sadly there's no other word to describe this, epic. Like an insurmountable opponent, both lore and gameplay-wise, which made it very rewarding to finally beat.
The original Radahn fight had more weight behind it than the new one. This new fight feels like you’re fighting a gimped radahn that is heavily being carried by Miquella’s spells. Rotted Radahn had an entire festival just to take him down and his mock-meteor phase transition changes the time of day. And he was doing all that while mindless and holding the stars back.
And yes the entire point of the fight (I guess) is that he’s miquella’s mind-raped consort or whatever so the boy its really a fight against Miquella and not Radahn or whatever, but even then, you beat the boss and can only get ONE of Radahn’s swords. You gotta dupe it for the second one. Like, the original radahn remembrance gave me both his swords for the price of one, what the frick?
>muh different ashes
Stances exist and these literally have the exact same stats. Something just feels off about this fight, I like the heart stolen and mohg’s bloodflame mechanic but the former is kind of meaningless, it’s not like you’re deleveled or anything. You get a gesture, wow… I can now show OTHER PLAYERS THAT I GOT MIND FRICKED!
Still a better fight than Fortissax purely because ancient dragons are just that shit.
>The original Radahn fight had more weight behind it than the new one.
The original Radahn was fricking 0/10 dogshit with awful camera and awful hitboxes
Literally nothing was wrong with any of those. His hitboxes were precise after the update, only his gravity waves would maybe hit you if you rolled through them like an idiot instead of jumping. The only bad thing about that fight is summoning the festival just kills him for you. He’s perfectly fine outside of that.
>Literally nothing was wrong with any of those.
>Not seeing the boss for the entirety of the fight is apparently "not wrong"
I chortle.
He’s not THAT big, anon. He’s not a fricking ancient dragon he’s just a bit bigger than Ludwig.
They should change crit scaling to "The slower the weapon is - the bigger the crit %".
Gaius is fun with the dueling shield and sekiro physick, if you're not blocking then dodging the charge is too hard if he starts it close to you.
Most of the bosses are dogshit besides Rellana and.... maybe Messmer but I haven't fought him yet.
Almost every single boss has camera issues, is giant slop that takes up most of the screen, or input reads and frame traps you.
Garbage. What do people like about this shit?
>Almost every single boss has camera issues, is giant slop that takes up most of the screen
Only Lion and Bayle.
>input reads.
Every boss in every game ever input reads.
Hippo for giant slop, and Put Knight is pissing me off far more than Rellana for delayed attacks and meta bullshit.
Oh and pig knight is bad too
Worse thing about Radahn isn't even not being able to see anything during phase 2, but that if you're playing on PC it will stutter at least once for 2 seconds each attempt guaranteed, meaning you will die to one of his many sure kill strings.
>PC it will stutter at least once for 2 seconds each attempt guaranteed,
yep
Just beat Messmer after he killed me 100+ times. Didn't want to use Spirit Ashes because the fight was too fun but did use Hornsent for maximum kino once I got to the second phase on my own once. Feels so good to go from "this is fricking impossible" to being decent enough at dealing with all of his moves to squeak out a win.
Didn't use any summons, just powerstanced great hammers the whole game up until Radahn where I had to throw a shield on (take me away, gamer police)
>Divine Lion
8/10
I think the disdain for this boss is out of control, it's pretty straightforward and it telegraphs well. The frost phase is annoying sure but it's a fun fight overall, and a really great design.
>Relanna
9/10
Relanna makes me wish I could refight bosses, I really feel like I kind of "got away with one" when I killed her. Really fun combination of Pontiff Sulyvahn and Renalla.
>Hippo
Who cares, 6/10
Fun-ish to fight once you get the weird timings down. SotE has a lot of Dark Souls 2 influence and the hippos really feel like DS2 bleeding into Elden Ring.
>Scadutree Avatar
4/10
I hated this guy, he's not hard - he's just annoying. How dare they invoke the Guardian Ape gimmick on such a shit boss...
>Romina of the Bud
8/10
I liked this fight a lot, very fair. Her timings feel "right". Another boss that invokes DS2 vibes
>Gaius
9/10
Really liked this guy, reminded me of the jerk from Twilight Princess. One of the best "mounted enemy" fights. Very clean and well made fight.
>Putrescent Knight
7/10
I don't know. He's just fine.
>Metyr
8/10
Fine, basically Astel 2.0 in a lot of ways. I found her way too late for her to be a threat.
>Midra
6/10
Just totally underpowered. Am I wrong? By the time most players get to this boss they'll be able to utterly flatten him. Missed opportunity.
>Messmer
9/10
Very fair, very learnable fight. Tough but not annoying in the slightest. Really the peak of the DLC.
>Bayle
10/10
Very fun dragon boss, something From has struggled with.
>Radahn
7/10
Dude just has way too many moves where I feel like I'm responding perfectly but still getting thrown around like my car just rolled off a cliff. Genuinely don't really know what a player is meant to do in some of these situations other than slap a shield on and block some of his shit. Otherwise, fun fight.
Scat tree avatar is fun once you realize you just need to hit him in the head
Nevermind the bosses but why are the legacy dungeons so small? So far I've done Belurat and Ensis, and both are over before they even begin, it feels like. To be fair, Belurat seems to have a second part I can't access yet, but there's barely anything in the first half.
DS3 kids only care about the bosses
There isn't much else to care for in DS3, the level design is very lackluster and the DLCs in particular are particularly bad about it (just not horsefrick valley bad). Friede, Midir, Gael and to a lesser extent Demon Princes are the only noteworthy things and everything between to get to them are varying levels of annoyance/frustration.
I like DS3 for how smooth it feels to play and it has some of my favorite From fights ever made but level design is really not a strongpoint for the game.
Not that ER is much better, it'll feel impressive and maybe even daunting on a first playthrough but you'll quickly realize that majority of places are worthless, empty and unrewarding. They also litter spots with purple items to bait you into thinking it's a major item only for it to be a worthless crafting material. Ambushes around corners and imp gangbangs also put previous From games AND Nioh/Nioh 2 to shame for how often they are done.
the legacy dungeons are bellurat and shadow keep, both unlock more sections as you go or find new entrances
you people are crazy Mesmmer was dogshit. his first phase is good but his second phase completely shits the bed with over the top attacks
Messmer would be fine if the camera wasn't dogshit and his sneks weren't the equivalent of visual diarrhea
This is true for most of the DLC bosses. The only ones with clean visuals were Midra, Gaius, and Romina in my opinion. Everyone else was too busy, struggled with the camera, used vision-obscuring moves (frick the Skibiditree Avatar's long range thorn attack), or just barfed constant visual mess in all directions.
>Divine Lion - 8/10
fun moveset and ideas ruined by camera lockon
>Relanna - 9.5/10
hard. fun moveset in likes of sulyvahn. no unfair moves. only gripe is some of the combos can be really similar which can throw you off.
>Hippo - 6/10
felt like a filler fight. not hard. decently fun though.
>Scadutree Avatar - 4/10
another filler fight. weird gimmick. easily killed too and not a lot of different moves. mediocre.
>Romina - 8/10
very enjoyable moveset. didnt find the camera to be gay on this one. rot isn't cancer. very fun but just not that hard.
>Gaius - 7.5/10
decent moveset. didn't find it to be cancer with the charge like everyone else seems to, just gotta roll forward to the right or left at a 45 degree angle. easily beatable. unironically wish it was harder.
>Putrescent Knight - 5/10
mediocre. small moveset but manages to be cancer anyways. frost bullshit was moronic and the hit windows too.
>Metyr - 4/10
astel but easier. need i say more?
>Midra - 9/10
great presentation. great moveset. great cinematic. ruined by being too easy and also having a dumb AOE attack u have to run from (but you cant if u are too close to a corner of the room)
>Messmer - 9.5/10
great moves. great OST. favorite dialogue in the whole game. favorite cinematic. fun phases. too easy at the end of the day though. was expecting a phase 3 with new healthbar.
>Radahn - 8/10
OST fantastic. really hard with lots of variety in the moves. phase 2 spams the screen w/ lights to block your vision & is impossible to predict a lot of the times where it'll fall so u get randomly hit & stunned. also moves like the one where he spams 4 illusions at u from the air before slamming at u finally as the 5th are borderline impossible to dodge. everyone i've seen do it cheeses it by running out of the range or parries.
Bayle - 10/10
BEST OST BEST COMBOS BEST ANIMATIONS. NO HITBOX ISSUES. LOCKON IS GOOD. SUPER HARD AND FAIR. BEST FROMSOFT BOSS OAT. IF U DISAGREE U MUST REPLY OR UR MOM DIES IN HER SLEEP TONIGHT
I’ll only rank the ones I’ve played against so far:
>Divine Lion - 3/10
Ugly as sin, awkward wind ups and timing, atrocious camera.
>Relanna - 4/10
Uninspired design. Another oval arena. The epitome of combos that go on too long. Looks like a twink Pursuer from DS2
>Hippo - 2/10
Feels like a fake boss fight. Something thrown together in 20 minutes.
>Romina - 7/10
Solid boss fight. Readable moves. Believable and natural feeling wind-up. Telegraphed dives. Your fault if you mess up. Ugly design.
>Gaius - 2/10
Same as hippo. Doesn’t feel like a boss fight. Just an inflated and/or oversized regular enemy.
>Putrescent Knight - 5/10
Design is cool. Moves a little annoying but not too bad. Hard to fricking see though, drags it down some.
>Midra - 5/10
Fine. Not great, not terrible.
>Messmer - 6/10
Really cool design and buildup. Awkward timings and too many visual effects to clearly see him bring it down. The snake mode is hard to track and makes it unrealistic for beating him first try.
>Radahn: 4/10
Haven’t beaten him yet but the location and final aspect of him bolster the bs from phase 2
>Bayle, the Dread - 6/10
Dragon cool.
>radahn 5/10
I liked the lion, bayle, messmer. I haven’t fought some of the side bosses but I beat radahn yesterday and holy frick what a letdown. The second phase is bad but it was even more disappointing when I found out he can be parried. Went down I think on my 7th attempt when I got the timings down. I’d give radahn a 5/10 and that’s being generous
>People hate Gaius
huh
I think it’s his hitbox on that one charge move. I wouldn’t know though. He went down on my second attempt. Staggered him twice with a blood greatsword
his charge is broken
He requires perfect timing too roll it and then he's immune if you use magic or a skill against him while he's charging for whatever reason so you can't trade damage even if you wanted to.
What's there to like? and he's ugly
Average ER player be like "wow this charge move is hard to dodge... should I extend my iframes using the tools From give me? nah just spam jump R2 more" and complain then complain its "bugged"
>use physicks and buffs please
Why wouldn't you use game mechanics?
>Skellington the Knight
>Good
He is the one boss that completely embody the shitty "anime combo that lasts forever" meme and not because he never stops attacking but because he never stops moving, he is literally impossible to hit unless you wait for 1 of the 3 different openings hes got and have a weapon that is at least 1 great katana in length. I became so frustrated with his movements that I for the first time ever actually used a bow to kill a boss, other than him never giving you an opportunity to actually counter attack he was piss easy since all of his attacks are extremely telegraphed and he deals frick all damage at 11 blessings.
He was a shitty test of a players patience and nothing more
Regardless of the bosses, the themes are SO MUCH better in the DLC than the base game. Like worlds apart. They all sound distinct, interesting and different.
I think From's games are somewhat lackluster in the OST front (especially for a Japanese studio), with the vast majority of songs being an undescript chorus that just blends into each other but yes, you're right, they really stepped up for this one. The Dancing Lion has a fantastic theme and Metyr has my second favorite song in the whole game, only losing to Radagon's boss theme
>I think From's games are somewhat lackluster in the OST front
yeah if you only played Elden Ring and Sekiro
Elden Ring's OST is good, it's only Sekiro's that's not
>Elden Ring's OST is good
nah
I've played all of them. Literally tell me a single DS1 song that isn't PLIM PLIM PLON and a single one from Bloodborne that isn't Ludwig's theme. Sure, those are good but 90% of the soundtracks are just "OOOOOH OOOOOOH" with generically epic-sounding instrumental backings
Not him but ds1 has some great tracks
>iron golem
>four kings
>credits
>o&s
>bell gargoyles
Some are very forgettable though but it has some gems. I think Sekiro also had some great tracks too. BB can sound a bit samey but some of the ambient music is really good. Ds3 is repetitive but it has some ok songs and er is straight up dogshit but it could also be me being jaded and over Froms sound tbqh
Great Grey Wolf Sif and Moonlight Butterfly/Dark Sun Gwyndolin are pretty good.
Also at least plim plim plon is memorable, I can't remember a single song in Elden Ring's DLC that stuck out to me. Maybe the harp in the Shaman village.
There's nothing wrong with exploiting leitmotifs.
Not rating all bosses but my favorite combat-wse are Rellana and Messmer
Metyr and Midra have the best setup. Midra was a nice foil to the hyper fast attack speed of other bosses.
>Midra was a nice foil to the hyper fast attack speed of other bosses.
such a fun breath of fresh air
such a bummer Elden Ring doesn't have bonfire ascetics
there's a lot of fights I would've liked to push to harder NG difficulties and refight
I’m here for the levels. The bosses can eat shit. I wouldn’t know where to begin ranking them because I obliterated them all with my mimic tear. I didn’t spend any time learning their movesets or lore. If they’re anything like base game bosses though, they’re 5/10 at the absolute best.
>Second Lion has deathblight phase that summons basilisks that you can't focus on because you can't take your eyes off the lion for more than a second and you can't hit because the lion's shitty hitbox slides you all over the place while giving you camera-induced vertigo and you can't see because of the deathblight clouds everywhere in an already dark room
who and i ask again WHO in the FRICK HELL thought this was even a little acceptable
>he actually fought the second lion
Standing on the bridge and bullying him with bleed arrows is a perfectly acceptable strategy. Why else would From spawn him in before you enter the arena, and make the only entrance to his arena an elevated position he can't attack?
i didn't have any longrange-enough spells or upgraded-enough ranged weapons for it to be worth it and i sure as shit wasn't going all the way back to that grace to stock up
this also made the fight harder because i wasnt expecting to run into a boss so i was using some wonky rot/poison build
i thought the deathblight phase was a cool idea
first i thought the basilisks came from outside of the arena since i had been outside from dodging the lion
it would have been cool thematically if that lion had different phases than the base one like death, scarlet rot and whatever instead of the elemental ones from the base boss
It was a cool idea even if not that greatly implemented
would have been fine without the basilisks, those were just a stupid inclusion
i agree at least rot would have been nice to see and justifiable given the location
>Divine Lion
4/10, hard part of the boss is the camera but decent spectacle I suppose
>Relanna
8/10, solid spell sword bossfight
>Scadutree Avatar
5/10, easy and boring fight, bland design and arena
>hiphopopotamus
6/10 ok beast fight
>Romina
8/10 pretty solid, liked the pink butterflies
>Gaius
5/10 kinda gay also you naturally want to unnecessarily fight him mounted but it just highlights that Torrent sucks ass, need horse armor DLC
>Putrescent Knight
9/10 fun fight and design
>Metyr
8/10 another solid fight, good presentation
>Messmer
9/10, good fight, 1st tried the 2nd half which makes me sad cause it was actually cool to watch
>Gank Squad 2.0
2/10 I prefer the original which was optional and had more interesting terrain
>Radahn
7/10 extremely gay 2nd phase and the big aoe makes me lag
>>Gank Squad 2.0
it's not supposed to be a gank, it's supposed to be a 3 v 3
I legit can't even tell when people are just shitting around or if you are all literally terrible players anymore
At least summon him once. Its the best summon in the game by a country mile. If then you want to fight him on your own just wipe, but enjoy Igon for a minute he is a cool bro
it's not a gank, you summon the npcs whos questlines you have finished, it's a pretty cool npc fight with npcs fighting and talking with each other which is a first in a fromsoft game.
to be fair Freya actually joins the opposing side if you finish her quest but w/e thats just semantics
I dont use summons so i was just being snarky, actually now i sort of regret not having at least summoned them once for a trial run since you said they have dialogue
i dont blame you, i never used summons, i only did because my brother told me the summons make the fight memorable, like sigward and yhorm
>I legit can't even tell when people are just shitting around or if you are all literally terrible players anymore
I just don't have modern Fromsoft brain rot. I don't play these games because they're hard, they used to be about using your tools and attentiveness to skillfully navigate a tough situation or level. This is even more pronounced in ER, which just fricking loves ambushing the player as often as possible. Why the frick should I play "fair"? The game and its bosses aren't entitled to a fair fight, and when the game offers such an obvious way to utilize a safe strategy against a boss, why not use it? If they didn't intend for sniping to be a viable strategy, they could've done things to prevent it. Like spawn the lion only when you enter its arena, or put up a fog wall blocking it from sight.
This 100%
Also I actually treat it like an RPG in the sense that my character has no in world reason to ignore the tools he's given. the tarnished isn't a moron, if he can snipe the 2nd dancing lion boss from the ledge with posion arrows he's gonna do it.
If he talks to Igon all the way up to Bayle's fight he's gonna summon him because that's a juge fricking dragon and having a dedicated dragonslayer at your side makes sense. etc.
The games are just way more fun if you play into its atmosphere
>forgot Bayle somehow
8/10, good but a little too derivative of the other drake fights, I wanted him to be weirder like Placi
>forgot Midra somehow
another 8/10, also perhaps the only boss in the DLC that is nice to strafing/rolling to the right
Should I summon the dragon slayer guy for Bayle fight? I don't want to ruin the experience but I also want to know if it leads to good content.
he doesn't affect the fight all that much
its worth it just to hear him scream, best voice acting work since micolash
I just finished the game and Rahdan almost filtered me.
I died about 80 times to kill him and to this moment there is one attack in each phase i literally never learnt how to properly avoid.
For the topic of the thread i enjoyed Rellana and Messmer the most, and despised Bayle and Rahdan, the rest of bosses were meh.
he has spoken
>I died about 80 times to kill him and to this moment there is one attack in each phase i literally never learnt how to properly avoid.
which attacks?
>which attacks?
Quick cross slash with each weapon into a double slash in phase 1
I mean the horizontal quick attack with left arm then right arm and then hits with both weapons and has a big opening.
If i dodged the first attack the second one ALWAYS hit me, if the first one hit me then both attacks hit me. You could always dodge the third part of the attack and punish tho.
In phase 2 the big ass aoe he usually opens p2 with
It takes forever to detonate and i didnt see any visual clue when to dodge so you had to "count" in your head but it also always lagged me slightly making it harder.
I still killed him but i wish i learned how to handle these two, specially the p1 one
anybody has any input in those two attacks please and thank you
In phase 2, you can just outrun the atomic bomb. Timing is extremely tight, the first one is easy to dodge since he doesn't start next to you. But mid-fight ones suck.
Never figured out how to dodge the double slash into cross-slash. Always get hit by the second slash.
>Quick cross slash with each weapon into a double slash in phase 1
Take the deflectpill.
How do morons look at this and say this game is "rollslop"?
To be fair, that webm has the unique condition of using the deflect tear, and while I do think that that tear makes such a big impact that it makes Radahn an excellent fight where I may not have enjoyed at all otherwise, it's still something that isn't in the base moveset of the game like rolling is.
he's using a mod
Sure, buddy.
Because a limited duration item you only get access to in the post-game DLC isn't indicative of the whole experience, you humongous tard.
from could remove the "block" from weapons and i wouldn't see a difference i always forget that exists.
Only time i remember blocking is whne i put a shield specifically to dick around.
So is the consensus that move can't be fully dodged with rolls?
Would make me feel better i guess
Nobody blocks with weapons normally, that's why you use the deflect tear so it actually becomes useful and makes the game notably more enjoyable in the process.
dont know how that tear works
turns your blocks into deflects if you time them right?
how long does it last? seems like it would be pretty fun to so some sekiro like gameplay
>turns your blocks into deflects if you time them right?
Yes
>how long does it last?
5 minutes
Now i wish i had tried it, seems cool.
Would like it to be on a talisman even more
Thank you
If you block right as you're about to get hit you take reduced stamina consumption, damage negation is boosted and your guard counter is buffed. It lasts a really long time, easily enough to last any boss. My final attempt against Radahn was like 4 minutes long and I didn't run out.
I block overworld enemies with my weapon a lot actually. Everytime there's small and fast enemies like ratsy wolves or some shit I just take the minimal chip damage for a guard counter.
I try blocks out with weapons that have 40+ guard boost, you can get the occasional useful block and guard counter with those even without the talisman. The deflect changes everything, though. Fighting Malenia with the deflect boosted her up a tier on my list of bosses, she went from A to the bottom of S.
>sekiro block Bayle
>Get knocked back 30 feet and then get hit by the follow up attack because the animation prevents you from blocking again
Frick this game really does everything in its power to make you feel like an insignificant worm vs bosses.
I like that there are attacks that do that, it makes it so dodging still has an incentive. It's more fun than if it made it so you have no reason to do anything other than just deflect.
Damn, I should have given the new cerulean tears a try, but I didn't want to give up my dualwielding
I beat him with a Greatsword block. I found the greatswords had a better guard counter because for the vertical slice into horizontal combo he does before doing the quake slash, after deflecting the horizontal slashes you could get a counter in and roll the final slash, then counter the earthquake/charge attack/jump attack him. Light Greatsword double slash wouldn’t let me do that.
I think the most entertaining things about this thread is how every single boss has someone singing its praises and every single boss has someone claiming its the worst thing ever created by man and everyone involved in its creation should be tortured to death.
I feel strongly about whoever proposed the open world shit for a souls game. That guy needs an ass whooping
>I'm the second guy
find some pipe hitting homies to hide in a bowl of rice to torment these fricking nips that created these tik tok bait bosses
All the bosses in the DLC are plagued by shit camera that can't track their big floaty anime moves, and/or which they're way too big for. They're also all way too obsessed with AoE spam. Can't wait for the next game to have all 360° AoE attacks, because frick positioning, right?
Bosses also have way too few openings, almost no commitment to any of their moves, and too little downtime. I also feel like they jacked up the poise on relevant enemies and bosses in the DLC, but that might be a result of them having fewer opening to get hits in. Playing the DLC with a colossal weapon was a fricking chore. I actually had to get back to spamming jumping attacks on most relevant things, because even guard countering has become unreliable. Relentless endless combo strings means you'll still eat a hit and likely get staggered out of your attack on counter, and many enemies and bosses now disengage at the end of their combo, so just when you'd get in a counter, they do a little hop backwards out of range.
DLC is custom built for fast weapon spam, and HP pools are built for bleed spam, with Radahn taking the cake. It's like they designed this DLC around the gaygiest of metagays. The game turned from an uphill slog into a complete joke the second I switched from colossal guard counter to bleed backhand blades.
radahn would be S tier if it wasn't for phase 2.
>Rellana is bad because... Uhhh.... She just is, ok?
I don't get why she fights with us anyway. We're literally in laws, cut me some slack
Because you enter her domain without permission. Would you be fine with some random guy entering your home?
Of course not, but I think I'd at least ask him what he was doing before pulling out the flaming longsword
>but I think I'd at least ask him
That's because you are a fricking cuck who will get killed by a robber someday.
Well Rellana wouldn't currently be a pile of memory dust in my pocket if she didn't try to cut my head off.
express yourself normally and I will entertain you. if memetext and buzzwords is all you have, remain silent
She's a literal who that felt shoehorned in to the area she's in and while her design looks cool in still images it's reatrded to fight.
Lion had a proper buildup and the phases were cooler.
>She's a literal who
Why the frick does it matter?
>felt shoehorned in to the area she's in
Why the frick does that matter?
>it's reatrded to fight.
It isn't.
It matters to me. Make your own tierlist, I'm not gonna change mine to please a brainlet like you.
Atmosphere , lore and story matter for my enjoyment of a fight.
You're extremely gay if it doesn't for you but it's 2024 and homosexuals are apparently accepted.
Also Romina is CLEARLY better than Lion
just released that it's missing Bayle because it's only for remembrance bosses:
He was like A+ tier. a little too much on the vfx but the atmosphere and build up with igons questline really sold the fight
Why's everyone so mad about the pig man? I genuinely don't know, because for me he just charged into the corner next to the entrance and never managed to get out as I spammed his ass with weapon skills.
Mostly the charge attack and him running around everywhere, the timing to dodge him seems tighter than the timing to not get hit by a second swing from Rellana, and for the running around, fighting with Torrent at first seems like the solution but it's not reliable, fortunately i had a faith build going so at least i had ranged options
>literal who
>mounted combat boss that's somehow easier to fight unmounted
>charge attack is bugged and can 1hko you because its hurtbox ticks like 30 times in the same frame
>most of my attempts were fought cramped up against to fog gate because he immediately charges into you and then he stays there
idk, mechanically he just felt like the least polished one
I wonder if Fromsoft ever intended for Radahn to be a fun fight, or if they just wanted him to be really hard and nothing else. I genuinely don't understand how they thought giving him a massively inflated HP pool, relentless aggression, endless aoe spam attacks with double and triple hitboxes would make for a fun fight. He's barely interactive, most of the time is spent dodging and looking at his cutscene anime attacks as you slowly whittle down his Midir-tier life bar. Once you get over the "visual spectacle", the fight is just a joyless slog.
Congratulations, now you see why every single Souls game after DS2 is objectively shit.
no boss in ds3 is as bad as radahn is when it comes to what the anon listed
well said
I thought he was plenty of fun and, with deflect in mind, is fun to the point that he should be the model of what a hard boss in a game like Elden Ring should be. I don't even know where you're coming from with endless aggression and inflated HP pool, his health is pretty reasonable and while he's still aggressive, relative to other bosses I found pretty clear opportunities to heal or buff.
It would be fine if it was triggered by trying to kill Miquella or something. Sort of like the ancient dragon fight in DS2, a "what did you fricking expect" fight. But no, the tarnished is canonically a moron butthole who refuses to accept the best solution for the lands between because he wouldn't get to be king if it happened.
I thought Scadutree had weirder hitboxes than Gaius. The hippo kinda sucks yeah.
Also, the Death Knight’s are cool.
>Best
Midra. I love how you can see him as you make your way to him and the fight itself feels both fair and challenging. I dodge a long string of his combos and get an opening, he doesn't just immediately chain into another attack
>Worst
Radahn. There were times I legit couldn't fricking see what the frick was happening. Just plain awful. First phase is good, second phase is hilariously bad.
Rahdan would be a great Sekiro fight.
All the swordplay would be great for deflects and some dodges mixed in, and the more magical and special attacks requiring creative use of the hookarm
Why the frick isnt Miyazaki making Sekiro 2
ER is the player fighting with the DeS defensive toolkit (rolling and blocking) + jumping vs BB and Sekiro bosses that feel like deflect and dashes should be default options
The DLC really made me want to replay Bloodborne, just as a reminder that fighting aggressive and fast bosses doesn't have to feel like shit. Even with all the fancy overblown ashes the game throws at you, I still felt like my moveset was completely gimped compared to bosses, a feeling I never had in BB, where the player's tools match up perfectly with what each boss can do.
Exactly. And I think Fromsoft also hit and upper ceiling here. I've been playing since DeS and really loved every game and even got into AC but if the next game is trying to outdo this DLC's difficulty again and then that game's DLC needs to up the ante again I just consider myself to be a filtered casual. 15+ years is an amazing run but I know my limits and thid power creep is just too much for me.
Radahn would be boring in Sekiro, people say this same thing with Malenia and it's the exact same, either one of them would play like any other Sekiro boss. Radahn with deflect in Elden Ring is a lot of fun because dodging is still a meaningful defensive option and not something you just do when the game tells you to and learning what to deflect and what to dodge, when to get in a guard counter, having to deal with moves where you might not want to do either like Miquella's light all make the game interesting in a way that it wouldn't be if you just pressed L1 when he hit you.
I've come to the conclusion, that I don't like when bosses in Soulsgames have moves that I just don't know HOW to dodge. Its fine that I don't remember to dodge them during the fight, or I get baited, or whatever. But after trying dodges to all the cardinal directions, then running, then running AND dodging to all directions, then jumping and nothing works, its not that fun.
yeah, the visual clutter on some bosses also just inflates the time it takes me to decipher the moves and find the timings and directions. given enough time I could probably do it but my capacity for frustration just isn't that high anymore. Grinding radahn's first phase was fun and I think Imhim being the final boss motivated me but I felt absolutely no shame just using Spirit ashes on all the other bosses because they took the boss attempts down to 1-2 tries vs. 50 every time.
Hard to rank them since I killed them all in 3 tries or less. Expansion is too easy.
>Divine lion - 0/10
Large enemy, hyper speed, fricks your camera, why does it shoot additional AoEs randomly in lightning form?
>Relanna - 0/10
To much fricking HP if you don't use bleed, glad its optional and you can go around to collect more fragments first
>Hippo - 6/10
Actually gets easier in phase 2. A breath of fresh air after all the other gael clone wannabes
>Scadutree Avatar 4/10
It's AoEs just cover to much of the god damn screen
>Romina - 1/10
Dark souls 2 made it sexier
>Gaius - 1/10
It moves around WAY TOO much so if your not playing a ranged build you'll suffer. +1 point for it turning into a drill
>Putrescent Knight - 0/10
Another garbage mounted boss
>Metyr - 1/10
Pretty easy boss due to its low health, but has a few bullshit unavoidable attacks and can be a pain as melee.
>Midra - -5/10
Just dogshit, the stealth section up to him was better than the fight.
>Messmer - 0/10
Frick off
>Radahn - -10/10
Reskinned boss from the base game + twin princes. Way too fast, deals way too much damage, and has moronly long combos with little recovery time.
>Miquella - 10/10
She's my wife
... I'm trans btw. Not sure if that matters.
Ive gotten to mogh in the main game. How late into the game can I still access the DLC, can I beat the main quest line first or should I stop before burning the tree and what knot
You can beat the whole game and still go in the DLC
Beating the game doesn't make you automatically go to NG+, you can beat it and then go to the DLC
You should be level ~200 when entering the DLC
... if you are bad, that is. If you are a normal person you should be fine with 120+
>muh meta levels
you pvp homosexuals should be rounded up and put into work camps
>pvp
are you moronic?
120 is roughly where you end up when you beat a a few shard bearers and the rush to mohg via varres quest.
Naw.. I was 180 at the end of the regular game without grinding and that was pretty high, at that point you are getting very diminishing returns on all of your stats. Something like 140 sounds reasonable, and you'll be getting useful levelups too during the DLC instead of just dumping stats to things you dont care about
can't believe the last boss we are gonna get is fricking radahn, fitting in a way, another rehash
I thought Scadutree Avatar was simply too easy and could have use some punching up
HOWEVER
Its maybe the only boss ever (or in recent memory) that had a super meaningful weak point.
Hitting its trunk was easy but the head took like 300% dmg (and frankly wasnt that hard to hit) it is not simply a small bump in dmg it was massive, every hit on its head felt super rewarding
I mainedthrowing knives and those made it easy to hit its weakspot I also just completely missed the way there. I even drained the church quarter and found everything down there but just didn't see that one path so I beat him with skibidi level 18 and completely melted him.
Still a fun flight. Very creative and the DLC has enough hard bosses so I don't mind having a pushover.
I also did the tree as the very last boss. I can't believe I just missed the fricking doorway to him, I must have walked past that thing like 3-4 times.
>10
Mesmer
Bayle
Frenzy guy
>Shit
Literally everything else. Frick this game. I spit on it *pitoo*
i wish ER cared about the few who liked pvp
im giving up on radahn bros. I can't do it anymore and im even low on furling fingers.
I had one summon who wasn't a shitter and I got radahn down to 1 HP then he killed me with some unblockable undodgeable super nuke attack where he disappeared from the arena before striking
Just get lucky like me and have a hacker invade your world while your still summoning people to oneshot the fricker.
better to not beat a shit boss than have to succumb to using a broken build, but if thats not the case for yourself you could always try to use a broken build to win
Equip a greatshield (black steel if you have it) and a wepaon that applies rot.
Stack holy resits with your armor and talismans.
stack stamina Regen.
Don't summon spirit ash at phase 1, don't use flask at phase 1, do both immediately after the cutscene to reapply rot on hes busy killing your summon.
you now beat the game
if you want to beat him just to have him dead and don't care about how it happened then just slap on the finger greatshield and poke him with a bleed infused antspur rapier. summon the mimic if you're tired and just want to go to bed
That meteor? You have to run to the sides of the arena, preferably the right (north I think) side. It’s such a dumb attack. He just zooms down and you’re dead. That’s another problem I had with the dlc, way too many nuke AoE moves. Those and some questionable grabs that just look like normal attacks until you get grabbed are the worst generalized parts
Is there mods to rematch the bosses yet? I oneshot the rot-lady and the madness-guy and I'd like to see more of those fights, but frick playing another character to the DLC and frick gathering all of the scadutree fragments again.
seems like the three bosses people like the most are
Midra
Bayle
and Messmer.
the rest has everyone split, and Radahn seems to have problems even amongst the people who don't hate the boss
I don't get why people like Bayle. Yeah, summoning Igon is great, and the fight is certainly visually impressive, but as an actual fight it's kinda shite. It's a dragon, so fricked up camera and lock-on is already a given, then it's visually messy, especially in the second phase when everything on screen turns the same color, and he does that same shit as the other spectacle bosses, where he'll just leave the fight to do some QTE-tier big anime attack.
the bar for dragon fights is low and it's a spectacle boss done right, unlike another big mf on the list, also dont lock on
I don't know for me, for a From giant boss fight, it was very visually clear and the camera provided minimal trouble. The boss also had a nice balance of being aggressive but not an endless wombo combo, and for the most parts, the attacks were easily readable. Even his projectile spam when flying is fairly avoidable, and only attack that gave me trouble was his swoop after flying because I would sometimes get clipped even after dodging. Overall, it's an entertaining spectacle fight that works well.
I mean it makes sense for me since I too rated those 3 very high. They're the upper limit of hard but fair, had cool designs and the lore/atmosphere behind them was amazing.
I think radahn's phases should be treated as 2 different bosses entirely. phase 1 was very cool to fight, phase 2 not so much. But he also loses out on the "soft" factors like lore and shit because he kinda came out of nowhere and doesn't even say a word.
>Divine Lion - 9/10
I completely agree, perfect besides minor camera issues
>Relanna - 8/10
I feel like with very minor tweaks she'd be perfect. Solid fight
>Hippo - 4/10
meme fight tbh
>Scadutree Avatar - 8/10
I really like the gimmick, I could one shot it with a full dragonfire so the fun part was finding the perfect windows to do that.
>Romina - 6/10
such a weird fight, not really bad but she came out of nowhere and goes down so easily. Obligatory would
>Gaius - 7/10
There's a lot of fricking weird hitboxes, feels relentless. Honestly everything people b***hed about with Relanna feels applicable here
>Putrescent Knight - 7/10
That tiny fricking horse makes this fight aids with a UGS. I resorted to using incantations just cause I couldn't fricking hit the guy, fun fight though, took me the most tries in the dlc.
>Metyr - 5/10
Cool lore wise but easily the worst remembrance fight in the dlc. It's attacks are literally just wriggling in the general direction you are every time you get close.
>Midra - 10/10
Did not expect the frenzy guy to be the most fair fight in the entire game but here we are. Up there with the greats.
- 10/10
Midra but cranked up to 11, a perfectly executed tightrope walk of fair and bullshit. For me personally it feels like Malenia's fight but fixed.
: 9/10
Phase 1 is there with Midra and Messmer, but phase 2 I have mixed feelings about. Personally I like the idea of a boss thats super hard even when using ALL the bullshit you have but at the same time I think a boss should be reasonably beatable with the traditional methods. You just kinda gotta swallow the pill and accept the 1v1 ain't happening, just use a summon and have an infinitely more fun time.
>just use a summon
no, and the summons just give him more health and make it harder to predict his next attack or target, he literally randomly teleports in between combos to other players/summons, better to just buck up and 1v1 him
Should've specified, I meant a mimic or something. Obviously don't summon some shitter like thollier or someone else.
>Blackgaol Knight
10/10, created people like this
fair enough but the mimic also makes him unpredictable and dies pretty quick even with all the ash upgrades
how much are they paying YOU?
>UGS
you homosexuals are so predictable
i enjoyed playing the dlc in the moment but after being done with it in hindsight it was kind of mid
dungeons and legacy dungeons or whatever they are called are formulaic
open world is fun to explore but ultimately pretty empty and doesnt have interesting encounters
bosses are fun to fight but more of the same
and the dlc doesnt do anything new in the souls formula, there isn't really anything that got me excited
I hate how human sized bosses like Rellana don't even react to anything you're doing. I'm shoving a Great Star up her ass and she doesn't even flinch. Say what you want about Malenia but she felt vulnerable against heavy weapons.
Yeah, I always liked that about Malenia. On one hand it's kind of nice that it's a unique thing about that fight and makes it play a bit differently, but it would be nice for some more reaction from other smaller bosses when they're hit.
I'm rolling a Moonveil and some ranged spells, I have no idea how you're supposed to go full melee with these bosses.
Also, my PC is far from good, but this runs like absolute garbage, jesus christ.
I should have waited tbh
If you are already struggling with performance, just wait till the last boss. He has a move that more than halves my fps
>I have no idea how you're supposed to go full melee with these bosses.
if dex, you abuse op ashes of war and bleed
if str, you abuse op ashes of war and stance breaking
ironically in bosses using spells is actually harder (especially if you arent using optimal shit)
Aside from the final boss its not too bad. Messmer already sticks close to you so its not that much different to capitalize on the openings and with something like dancing lion for example there are blind spots you can exploit . One of the bigger differences would be gaius since he tends to charge past you especially if you dodge, harder to punish but technically possible. You also tend to get the advantage of getting a stance break or two on the bosses going in melee.
The DLC really hammered home just how fricking pointless the open world in this game is. They got even lazier with it here, it's genuinely not worth exploring as there's just absolutely fricking nothing of value anywhere outside of the designated and easily identifiable points of interest. If you didn't have to collect the scooby snacks, you could outright skip half the areas and miss nothing.
i agree
it really feels like the open world is just there to pad out the playtime, if the dlc was only the points of interest it would be half the length
what i think sucks the most about it is that the game is really immersive and gets me in the mood to explore and find more about the world etc. but then i go search every nook and cranny and barely find anything worthwhile
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ITEM RECEIVED: Pointless crafting material you have dozens of, but it's a stack of 3, so you get a giant item popup like you picked up something relevant
I disagree, I found exploration extremely rewarding because it felt very dense except for 3 areas: abyssal woods and both finger ruins.
. Everything else always had rewarding exploration for me.
The only bad thing about the size is that it makes replaying ER a slog. You know what you want to get on following playthroughs so you just have a checklist for your build and now with literally 50 skibidi fragments it's a long ass list AFTER you already collected all the needed smithing stones, golden seeds and sacred tears and equipment for your build.
ER is probably the first time I'm just gonna cheat me the gear and mats I need for new chars just to save time.
I was already bored of the open world in the basegame, and the DLC broke the camel's back. As you said, both the finger ruins, Abyss Woods and cerulean coast were extremely empty. And a lot of the other zones had the same problems, you just found shit or nothing and the enemy density was really low. I wish they had more legacy dungeons, I think only Shadow Keep can be considered one, the smaller castles are too small and the Madness Mansion was also too short for that.
my brain is too slow to react in time to use the deflect tear
Isshin filtered me
r8
Please tell me Midra and his crib is the only interesting thing in the Abyss area, what a boring slog to explore I don't want to go back.
its all there is
There is a shadowtree fragment on a random corpse in th map and the first of the eyes stealth guys drops a madness talisman if you parry riposte him (only way to kill them) nothing much more of note on the whole area
Some cookbooks scattered around
Would you guys like Elden Ring 2 or another, shorter and more linear DLC with 5 bosses? They’d include Godwyn in this hypothetical expansion.
Or do you just want them to move on from this “IP” entirely?
i want Sekiro 2 based on what the true ending set up.
Move on, Elden Ring was pretty cool but just like i don't want every Zelda to always be this gigantic ordeal from now on with BotW and TotK i don't want that for Souls either, i'm ready for a Dark Souls 4
I'm with you except for DS4
Ignoring AC, fromsoft sucks at sequels. DaS, DeS, BB, Sekiro and ER blow DaS2 and 3 completely out of the water. Dark Souls was already finished story and if it wasn't for bamco wanting to print easy money the sequels would've never happened.
I don't even care if the call the new game Shadow Souls or something and effectively plays like a dark souls 4 but we need a clean reset to guarantee greatness.
But I also enjoyed ER's open world, same as BotW's and TotK. But I'm also satured now so both series shouldn't make any more games with OW for a decade.
darks souls never should've been a series, 3 rectified that with the let the fire fade ending
I'd be fine with either but I don't think they'll do another DLC.
I don't think they can do anything with ER. They need to make a sequel where they:
1) Fix the fricking camera
2) Make the game less linear
3) Make caves more rewarding
4) Make crafting useful
5) At least try to have a story
>1) Fix the fricking camera
Please that lion boss fricking sucked
>2) Make the game less linear
Compared to DS3? Eh I love linear
>3) Make caves more rewarding
This.
>4) Make crafting useful
What do you want to expand in the crafting system.
>5) At least try to have a story
Youtube
I want Fromsoft to make more focused games like Sekiro or Bloodborne. The Souls formula is falling apart, and Elden Ring makes this very obvious. They clearly want to make fast-paced action games, but you can't have these fast, aggressive, spammy, infinite stamina bosses in a game where you also try to sell the idea that being a slow, heavily armored tank who trades hits through hyper armor is viable. What From does with bosses, and what the game wants to be true are just incompatible. Designing content to be equally challenging to both ends of the speed spectrum is fundamentally impossible, and becomes more so the more these ends move apart, which they did more and more with each game. Strategies and builds that work well during levels completely fall the frick apart at bosses, because they seem designed under a completely different mindset.
From does better work when they have clear limits. Bloodborne and Sekiro have some of the smoothest and tightest gameplay, simply because it's very clearly defined what the player can do. There's no wildly different ability to deal with certain things based on a dozen factors. Everyone's dodge/deflect works exactly the same, so all content can be designed to challenge that precise level of ability.
>The souls formula is falling apart
The two games you suggest are the best of it were the worst selling, and elden ring is enormously more popular
Popularity is not an indicator of quality. Looking at the gameplay and the patchwork of sloppy fixes they've stapled to the basic formula, it's clear what's happening.
>Popularity is not an indicator of quality
things don't become popular without being good
You don't really believe this.
yes i do. if a thing is bad, people don't like it, and then it doesn't become popular. despite what all of you morons think, people don't just like bad things for no reason.
The Kardashians. Tiktok grifters with millions and millions of followers. What kind of beautiful parallel world line do you live in where only good and high quality things become popular?
I wouldn't mind it but Elden Ring's story feels pretty complete. Story wise this dlc was perfect. There's nowhere to go besides a prequel I guess.
I would rather have a short written epilogue saying what the frick happens after the Ranni ending. Doesn't need a whole game. It worked fine in ds3 and bloodborne but seeing the same vague thing again has me a bit annoyed
I don't want any more of these games or DLCs because it's clear they have the idea that they must make everything harder and harder every time. I beat I Wanna Be the Guy and the bosses are reminding me of that now, a series of inputs you have to learn through trial and error and perform perfectly for minutes at a time or start over from the beginning. I'm fricking tired of this kind of blindfolded simon says challenge. I'm over it. I liked Dark Souls for being an unforgiving world to explore and unlock its secrets, but the bosses weren't obnoxiously hard (and all in the same way, by having flailing unreadable combos you have to memorize and sticking to you like glue on top of having ranged punishes just in case you happen to get out of their combo spam) just for the sake of it, you just had to take them seriously like you had to take almost every enemy seriously. Nowadays it seems like these games are just being made for the sake of creating 10 million view streamer reaction videos.
PS if I wanted another punishing souls combat game I'd ask for Sekiro 2 because at least then you don't have the illusion of RPG mechanics making you think you're allowed to be a caster or go without a fricking shield
finally someone said it
I'm tired by the powercreep. it feels like the fanbase are drug addicts that always need a higher dosage for the dame high and radahn phase 2 is very very close to an overdose.
They WILL need to top this so and then it will hit critical mass.
most people don't like the radahn fight all that much so maybe there is hope
I'm with you. The combat system of souls was always too simple for them to try to evolve it to this epic action game. It worked better in das1+2/des, when it was much slower pace and boss-runs were more punishing.
Maybe give the new LotF a try. I found the bosses there refreshing return to older times, they had like 3 hit combos max, with limited moveset that you could learn and pretty big pauses afterwards to deal damage.
It was always epic, but you're right they shouldn't have evolved it this way. Remember when Ornstein and Smough were a tightly carefully designed gank boss whose moves complemented each other but also contrasted and frequently lead them to separate? Remember how you could avoid being overwhelmed by them by knowing what to do? Imagine that boss now, with both of them bumrushing you the instant you walk through the fog gate and you have no option but to roll through both of their combos simultaneously and sweat your ass off for opportunities to hit r1 once. And it won't matter which one you kill first because either way phase 2 is just going to have even more insane combos but now with a bunch of aoe magic ground shockwave bullshit and teleports and anime showstopper spectacle attacks for streamers to basedface at in their reaction video.
It's the same kind of stupid as Dark Souls 3, where there were literally more mimics than actual chests.
>where there were literally more mimics than actual chests
To me, the placement of the first mimic in DS3 is probably the single most indicative moment as to where From's priorities lie with these games. You can see the extreme change in direction and intent that has ruined a core aspect of these games, just by comparing the use and placement of mimics in DS1 and DS3.
>DS1
>first mimic is almost halfway through the game
>after the player has opened dozens of chests
>in an area littered with obvious and hidden traps, designed to make the player very careful and attentive
>the chest is placed askew in the middle of an otherwise unremarkable room with no obvious threat, a rarity in this area, naturally making the player look for a floor switch or other trap
>the player subconsciously knowing what a regular chest looks like combines with the heightened sense of awareness fostered by the level design to either make him spot the inconsistency in chest visuals, or at least suspect that this might not just be a regular chest
This is the height of fairness and the "be careful and take things seriously" design that was core to DS1. The game indirectly gives the player all the knowledge and mindset he needs to spo the trap, even if it's something he's never encountered before and would normally have no reason to suspect.
>DS3
>literally the first chest the player is likely to find is a mimic
Designed to be unfair and get a cheap kill off the player, unless he comes in with the foreknowledge of mimics being a thing at all.
>To me, the placement of the first mimic in DS3 is probably the single most indicative moment as to where From's priorities lie with these games. You can see the extreme change in direction and intent that has ruined a core aspect of these games, just by comparing the use and placement of mimics in DS1 and DS3.
isnt one of the very first chest in one of the king's field a skelly trap? they did this shit before demon's souls lol
>I beat I Wanna Be the Guy and the bosses are reminding me of that now
Funny, I recently thought that the way ER approaches level design reminded me of IWBTG. Every other item you see out in the open is some kind of trap or ambush, every other room has enemies tucked away in corners, dead angles, or dug underground/teleporting in with some specific enemies, every other encounter has additional enemies hidden out of sight. It's so consistent that it actually wraps around to being completely ineffectual, as you just start expecting a trap everywhere, and it's almost always correct.
I've also found that generally speaking, the more trouble, or the more dangerous it is to get an item, the less worth it will be to do so. The game actively mocks you for overcoming some dangerous scenario or trap by giving you complete trash loot at the end. And again, it's not just an occasional thing that happens in a thematically fitting area, it happens all the fricking time.
interconnected world > open world
a dozen trick weapons/specific and detailed weapons > shit load of weapons
unique weapon arts . interchangeable weapon arts
a dozen unique bosses > a hundred bosses
>interconnected world > open world
i will never understand this meme. Dark Souls 1 is an open world game. you land in firelink and immediately have 3 or 4 different paths to choose from. you can go where you want to. that's an open world.
What you fail to understand is that in modern parlance open world just means all the content is separated by a big empty field. Imagine all the dungeons of Elden Ring but just connected together by a similarly designed world around them, you know, like in dark souls 1, 2, and bloodborne. What would you miss?
thats not an open world game, thats an interconnected world, open world is fallout/gta/ubisoft shit, skyrim
I want them to make good games again and to tie Tanimura up on some train tracks
Elden Ring has solidified that they ran out of ideas, they are becoming a parody of themselves, these games were never about being hard, but now thats all they feel like
Honestly unless its Sekiro 2 or a Bloodborne PC port I won't be buying, at least until its on sale. This DLC made me realize 2 things; that I'm burnt out on these games and the spastic adderall junkie epilipetic AOE spam that constitutes every fight now and that open world games fricking suck, no I am not collecting shit to boost my characters strength just make a fricking action game already. I remember dogging on DS3 for being a rethread of DS1 but holy shit I never knew how bad things would get.
amen
>Dancer of Ranah
>LITERALLY just a woman in a dress
>a million hp, infinite poise
this dlc is fricking moronic
You're doing something seriously wrong if you're not doing much damage to her. She has almost no HP
i was hitting her with a +25 Black Steel Greathammer with sacred infusion at 50 str 50 fth
>no skibidis
lol moron
6 at the time
Then I don't know what you're doing wrong. I think I had 8 when I faced her and I slapped her around easy
what's your skibiditree level?
I don't know why they're so terrified of enemies having reasonable poise. You could stagger bosses in BB with regular attacks, but in ER I can wipe out 90% of a bird warrior's HP without them so much as flinching. Even guard counters with their sizable poise damage multipliers only flinch them with heavier weapons. It's ridiculous.
ITEM RECEIVED: cook book
fromsoft peaked here
They maybe peaked at Bloodborne, but they did not peak at Gehrman. Still a cool fight, but way too easy.
>Still a cool fight, but way too easy
you put too much value in difficulty, that kind of mentality is why we have god consort radahn and malenia
I like those fights anyway, but I don't have a problem with easy bosses and I think a boss could be considerably easier than Consort Radahn or Malenia and still be impactful, Gehrman just isn't difficult even by Bloodborne standards and it makes it so it's over with it sooner than I'd have hoped. I'd have preferred if he were around as difficult as Ludwig, which is also a great fight that isn't undercut by its difficulty at all.
I'd say the DLC is even better than the base game.
Ludwig the Holy blade and Maria are peak.
>boss switches from aggressive to defensive to aggressive, making the fight more dynamic
>boss and player utilize the same toolkits, weapon rules, mechanics and speed
>leads to moments like this
what the frick happened to MITSUBISHI sama, did he get lazy
kino, but ludwig is better
My ps4 is collecting dust and I switched to PC ages ago but I'm genuinely sad for everyone else that didn't get to enjoy BB yet.
Even worse, not playing it around release blindly.
The ayylmao Lovecraft shit is so obvious now but at release everyone thought it's gonna be a game about hunting werewolves and maybe vampires. and the first half reinforced that expectation.
Finding the 1-2 celestial emissaries in the snake forest will always be my most memorable fromsoft memory.
>The ayylmao Lovecraft shit is so obvious now but at release everyone thought it's gonna be a game about hunting werewolves and maybe vampires. and the first half reinforced that expectation.
it was a treat, wonder if it's still Miyazakis favorite
I loaned a whole ps4 from a friend, just to play bloodborne. I liked it, but I thought it was the original misstep from how the souls-games should play. The game is still extremely simple action game with like 2 buttons, but now everyone is moving around like a spastic. The setting and style still works very well
BB is also the game that does the Fromsoft "storytelling" best. It doesn't put all the pressure on piecing together item descriptions to even understand what any of these people are talking about, but instead has stronger environmental storytelling, and more informative dialogue. You can get a fully coherent, sensible story out of BB just by talking to NPCs and taking in the environment, which hasn't really been the case since DS1.
it took me forever to connect the dlc to gehrman tbh
It's not an obvious connection, and it comes in kinda late, but it's there. Maria is the key that makes things fall into place.
Can we not call it skibidi?
youre so skadutree, so phanum tax
It's fine as long as it's being done as a conscious mockery of the stupid name for a stupider mechanic
>a stupider mechanic
The mechanic as such is honestly fine, and one of the better solutions for the problem they were facing with making a post-game DLC.
no
Scat Tree is funnier and closer
give me one good reason
I want to honor gen Alpha though. Zoomers are always so gloomy and cynical and detached. as a millenial I prefer the fun memes more than the weirdly combative zoomer era ones.
It's like LOLcats and og image makros and FFFFUUUUUU- again.
>when the win is epic
imo I think Radahn's attacks are all fair and each have a method to avoid them, except for that stupid cross slash combo that he does in both phases.
only fought:
divine lion: great but too ez, no complain, i like the multiple elemental phases and dancing style
rellana: pushed my shit in hard but well designed moveset, not unfair
putrescent knight: decent and actually has very few moves, but im just really tired of dying in two shots from the same combo which is basically the same as instadeath, his aoe and delays are what got me the most, im tired of these 2 being the primary modes of difficulty from relies on at this point because it clashes so hard with atrocious input buffer and just feels sluggish
i dont have issues with the bosses themselves anymore, but i've reached my limits with the gameplay itself, the input lag, the garbage tracking, having to fumble with the dpad mid combat, the camera being so shit half the time
delays and aoe feel awful to deal with because of those gameplay issues
>makes your consort radhan fight kino
skibidi rolls off the tongue, scadu tree doesnt, what were they thinking with that name?
I like Blighttown
the best area in the game is the horror madness woods, like this comment if you agree
It was fun until I realized that besides the Madness Lanterns, it was nothing but rats. What utterly wasted potential.
yeah i know but still, the mansion and horror aspect was fun but brief
It's baffling how they couldn't be arsed to put anything worth exploring for in that entire area. You can just beeline it to the Manse and miss absolutely nothing. It's such a huge area, and has this entire second level of plateaus, and all of it is completely worthless. Waste of potential indeed.