Realistically, what can be done about this?
>Public shaming of whales across all cultures
>Tax companies relying on microtrans
>Regulate microtrans profits
Why even bother making vidya if you can just sell a horse?
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Realistically, what can be done about this? >Public shaming of whales across all cultures
>Why even bother making vidya if you can just sell a horse?
They're making vidya just to sell the horse, you dumdum.
We've gone from two dollar horse armor to 60 dollar horse skins in fifteen+ long fought years.
> fifteen+ long fought years.
they didnt even notice there was any fight about it. to busy counting money.
you need people to be moronic to buy a digital horse, but how sustainable is a tard world?
pretty sustainable in our lifetimes unfortunately
theoretically, as long as there are infinite make work jobs and money printing, it could go on indefinitely
>but how sustainable is a tard world?
we're living it and there's no end in sight
How much are they? I bought a few lol skins when I was a kid. 2 or 3 bucks isn't a biggie. If you play with it a bunch and like the look, how is it any different from buying a toy thats gonna end up at Goodwill or a yardsale or the trash? At least it won't break.
>when i was a kid
can hiro just make a zoomer-free vidya board?
i believe originally buying a flying mount was a way to cheat yourself to having a flying mount faster.
>bought a few lol skins when I was a kid. 2 or 3 bucks isn't a biggie
kys you're part of the problem.
Okay gramps. Where are all your cherished tangible childhood toys made of steel right now?
Ah, bargaining. Which step will you see next, I wonder.
imo you have to be moronic to buy either in 2010. A cosmetic horse is pointless and odds are there will be new shine and free skin down the road. And everyone knew SC2 was getting two more expansions so there was no reason to buy it until all three parts came out and was complete. Also this is a nothing burger. Even back in 2010 it was rare for a new game to clear 3 million in it's first year and whales made about a quarter of MMOs at that time so that's about 4 million buyers right there, not even counting anyone that just casual bought the horse.
tldr: this guy wants traffic and says shit that brings it. Anyone taking this story seriously is a fricking midwit.
cosmetics in games are like supreme irl.
peawieners need to flaunt and will buy.
>And everyone knew SC2 was getting two more expansions so there was no reason to buy it until all three parts came out and was complete
You are fricking moronic if you think this is actually true.
They worded it as "we split it into 3 parts"
which many read as "you get 1/3 if you buy now"
You can absolutely bet it affected sales.
No one bought Starcraft 2 for the story. Everyone bought it for the PVP / customs online which had the full trio of races included in it. Which Blizzard was very vocal and upfront about.
People played the story as a byproduct of having it.
There's a reason why part 2 and then part 3 sold less and less, and why the completion rates for the campaign in part 2 and 3 go down each time as well.
If you morons were right and people were buying it for the story or waiting for the story to be beat, logicallt eh completeion rates would be similar, when in reality that b***h falls off a fricking cliff after WoL.
Why would you assume split only affected story?
As said the wording was "we split" not "we make the story into a 3 part epic". Naturally people would assumed they gonna not get everything
>Why would you assume split only affected story?
Because all 3 races were fully playable in the rest of the game. It was the next big blizzard game, and the sequel to the most popular and successful RTS of all time that to this day is STILL housing tournaments.
Listen I get it, you were like 10 years old when SC2 came out so you have no actual understanding. But SC1 was a phenom. SC2 coming out, even though we knew it was only 1/3 of the story for the campaign, was a major fricking deal. Don't try to pull your revisionist history homosexualry on me, you zoomers do this shit all the time and it's infuriating.
>durr no you see people actually only played SC1 for the story and campaign!
frick off
sc1 was god but by the time sc2 arrived the company had already started to build a bad reputation.
> successful RTS of all time that to this day is STILL housing tournaments.
That tells you SC2 failed. That they made a shit game and their 3 game expansion shit help frick it over. Like all the anons here have said, no one should be surprised it couldn't clear 5 million sales and beat the $15 horse
>durr no you see people actually only played SC1 for the story and campaign!
where did anon say that?
Why are you being so hyperbolic over this? Do you have some stake in this?
I'm starting to think you either weren't there or you were getting high on your own supply back in 2010.
You are assuming the god awful story of WoL didn't chase them away. I'm in that boat myself. I was waiting for it until I heard the god awful Kerri was always good and they savior shit. After that I checked out and never looked back. Also they did that stupid friends play for free shit in 2011 that made a lot of us not even need to buy any version.
>zeratul and tasssadar reduced to simps for kerrigan the chosen one
yeah I was fricking done with that shit as well.
>No one bought Starcraft 2 for the story.
A lot of people anticipated what came next in SC2 after how SC1 ended with Kerrigan BTFO everyone.
>Everyone bought it for the PVP / customs online which had the full trio of races included in it.
SC2's multiplayer was complete trash. Terran was so thoughtlessly easy to play and the other two races pretty much existed to be fodder first, balanced second.
>There's a reason why part 2 and then part 3 sold less and less, and why the completion rates for the campaign in part 2 and 3 go down each time as well.
Because it was a shit game with shit multiplayer that largely amounted with busywork and solved push timings before each xpac even released. The story was so dogshit no one bothered after Wings of Stupidity and Diablo 3 were written like saturday morning cartoon trashfires.
I'm not saying splitting the game into 3 parts affected sales like the others, but it damn well contributed to the game getting kneecapped because the first game was so dogshit.
>No one bought Starcraft 2 for the story
Top selling fighting game got there because they do shitty lore stories. SF6 is third place because they don't pour into that shit, while MK12 dominated sales even though it's shitter gameplay than MK11, but it had a full story. Blizzard has been know for baiting in causals for 20 years by that point, anything that was competitive that came out of it was a bonus. Most were excited to see the conclusion of the hanging story of Brood War.
>No one bought Starcraft 2 for the story
Sometimes I have to be reminded that I share this internet with actual morons and not people just pretending.
the story is by far the most popular mode in any rts. 1v1 ladder only makes up something like 10% of the playerbase
coop is the most popular multiplayer mode in sc2 btw. thr multiplayer mode with a story against ai is far far far far far far more popular than any pvp mode.
nobody likes pvp rts games. that shit is aids
The story is always important. Even Counterstrike has a passable narrative dressing to settle into the otherwise gameplay focused gamers' minds. SC2's story just got worse and worse and people checked out. Blizzard was having it's first fall from grace before Heart of the Swarm sold. Super Saiyan good guy Kerrigan was leaked well before Legacy of the Void sold. We just wanted another passable war story instead we got, that.
>No one bought Starcraft 2 for the story.
>all the news in august b***hing that only 5%~10% of players where doing any MP
If you are being serious you better be Koren
every blizzard story
1. corruption
2. how something was before corruption (prequel to corruption)
How did you predict the story in the next three WoW expansions?
you forget
3. the evil has a greater evil behind it and corruption was a victim
>No one bought Starcraft 2 for the story.
Right that's why they reinvented the MP over and over again, trying to add modes and shit to keep that cratering engagement post, what? Two weeks after launch?
braindead take ITT, RTS are the most hardcore genre out there, casuals only play them for the story
They advertised Wings of Liberty as the terrain only portion story wise and they confirmed yearly expansions with new units, heroes and possibly buildings.
So what's moronic about it?
They literally said it was part one of three back in 2009. Miller there in the OP there? Wrote back in 2010 how sale would get hit from their stunt because why would anyone buy an incomplete game? Story or otherwise.
They feed on outrage and you staying a midwit.
let me guess. You wrote this ten years ago?
https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2010/07/starcraft-2-is-a-full-game-no-matter-what-the-whiners-claim/
It is sustainable by definition because people spend money that they earn.
This is why jobs are getting automated in every industry. Maximum tardworld.
Why are you upset about how moron waste their money?
Because it has lead to societal breakdown.
>morons are wasting their money
>society has fallen
Not society, just game quality
kinda, whales are 25-40 old men mostly who stay single pushing all their money into waifus instead of getting a women to knock up and raise next gen. Its basically nerd genocide just that its not meth but vidya.
>I am a fat pathetic loser
>society has fallen
stop projecting and at least try to use your 2 brain cells. If they can burn 100k on some shitty gacha they had more success than you at minimum in their career
Unironically yes. You're probably too low IQ to understand but whales in games are just one example. Think about onlyfans and the amount of morons that waste money on that rather than making an attempt to start a family.
>if we ban microtransactions gaming will be saved!
Literally this image
What either/or nonsense is this? Both are problems, very obviously.
ugh such is life in late-stage capitalism society revolution soon xirs!!
You think the world is improving for most people?
It's getting worse and it's all because of microtransactions
Cause I wanted Starcraft 3
why though. sc2 finished its story even if it was shit that was the finale of sc, all you can really hope for is a random bolted on story that doesn't need to exist. the better option would be to just like make a new rts universe which blizzard won't do.
they won't make a new rts let alone one without proven fans to rip money from
You are literally the only person in the entire world to want that. We all moved on.
Me too anon, frick these short sighted idiots.
Because that decides how devs make their games you smoothbrain
Because it will be dripfed and ruin otherwise good games.
moron
Because unfortunately, these moron's decisions eventually start to affect me, no matter how much I stay away from microtransaction-riddled, gacha-riddled, lootbox-riddled trash mean to give sad sacks 5 seconds of satisfaction before they spend their money on the next stupid thing.
Because it outvotes every single non moronic consumer trying to "vote with their wallet" and breaks the system.
Because it's lead to games not being about the game anymore but instead about being a place where you can sell people more stuff where the game is second.
>Why even bother making vidya if you can just sell a horse?
It's the original disney approach. You make the games that get people in and then you make your money on merchandise.
I used to care. It was nice having a separate world with it's own winner and losers. It could go into and have my accomplishments in game feel like they mattered. The cosmetic items cheapened this experience and over time, tearing a hole in the game and allowing the accomplishments of real life, infiltrate the accomplishments in game.
I don't care anymore as I realise that players demand this type of stuff. In Classic gold selling is rampart and people will pay a lot of money for other people to play their accounts for the best gear or an arena ranking that makes them appear better than they actually are. I was delusional into thinking that an artificial world could be less corrupt than the real world, and yet players will always find a way to get a competitive edge.
I want gambling in all forms banned. Not because I'm mad at gamblers, but because I want to protect my fellow morons.
>ban all gambling
would require banning stock market. GL with that
Honestly, would be the first thing to go. Vote for me, anons.
>Why are you upset about how moron waste their money?
because it affects non morons.
>morons spend money on microtransactions
>micro transactions make them more money than implementing new features or actual content
>so companies focus on what makes money
>players leave in droves because the game is now a second priority to horses but morons stay because of the horses
A bunch of boomers who refuse to change with soceity. The majority of people don't mind MTX or Cosmetics but you'll have a bunch of pearl clutchers saying it's ruining gaming when it them who refuses to change with their hobby. If it means kicking out the old then most people are ok with that. It's the same mentality of Pokemon fans who refuse to leave the fandom and have to hack their old games while the majority of the people move onto the newest games. Nostalgia and the refusal to change with the times, the never ending cycle of "old man yells at clouds" except all the teens and early 20 somethings a decade ago are now entering that 30+ age bracket where they want to stay under the blanket of nostalgia and new is bad, old is good.
incredibly amount of homosexualry in one post
Jew
How does it affect me? I'm watching the world burn with a bucket of popcorn, shit's fun to watch. Oh no, sequel number 9 of a series I used to like is bad, I'll fricking live.
Came to post this
That's a coping mechanism and you know it. Every single person that spouts this horseshit is deeply troubled and lives with the lie that they're enjoying it
because i want to kill all morons and take their money
Because morons wasting their money is how you get more catering toward them?
Dude I haven't spent a cent on Dota but all the cosmetics in the game that other people are wearing are literal kmmorpg tier that fry your eyes with literal edges and graphical effects shitting themselves at you
Does anyone have that "how does it affect you" picture with falling rome and wojak? Its perfect as reply to this moronic post yes a wojak is perfect reply to that double digit IQ baboon post.
when morons waste money en masse, our economy starts to cater to moronic things, and that shouldn't be allowed
we call that communism, which was a bunch of israelites getting mad economies weren't doing what they wanted
Because it's making the world a worse place for everyone. Tragedy of the commons.
We need to get people out of gaming ASAP.
It's shit like this that incentivizes live-service slop and microtransactions, allegedly*. Not that I'm upset about Starcraft staying dead because of this, allegedly*, it's just a microcosm of the whole AAA industry and why we went from constant new games and good sequels in the 2000's and have stagnated on live-service and "by the books" sequels played as safe as possible or turned into live-service games.
>like game
>developer adds microtransaction in the other game they have
>that microtransaction sells more than the game I like
>the developer continues destroying their other game and stop support of the game I love because microtransactions make them more money than making a good game
But how does it affect you?
because it tells companies that such moronic ideas are not only ok, but also extremely profitable.
Which led to current day gaming.
nobody forces you to buy games made by those companies
gaming is not essential for your survival, just do something else
why aren't you mad about casinos being literally build around taking as much money from you as possible?
Because if one moron is significantly more profitable than 100 non-morons, it’s infinitely more sensible for the company to cater to that moron even if it means burning the other hundred. That’s basically what whaling is - you literally chase your white whale(s) since you are so incredibly incentivized to.
>Public shaming of whales across all cultures
That literally already happens to 0 effect.
Whales are borderline unhuman with their shamelessness.
Not really
There's a vague public idea of whales being pathetic, but no or very little direct shaming.
It needs to be "fat girl in japan" levels. If random strangers see you playing gacha on the bus they should tell you how shitty you are to your face. At job interviews they should ask if you're going to spend the money they're giving you on jpgs and use it as an excuse to pay you less. Concerned friends should text you "Whale frick" every morning for months to help you quit.
Whales have money, they can deal with any depression-related issues by throwing money at their hobbies and ignoring their social shortcomings. It's a vicious cycle and your idea will just spin the hamster wheel for them.
You could say the same thing about fatties and food, but public shame is the only thing that works for that
>but public shame is the only thing that works for that
And look where thats got us
The whales are fighting back and trying to twist the narrative into "body positivity" and attempting to gaslight the entire world into thinking obesity isnt a health issue and definitely isnt black holing millions of tax monies with all their long term health issues
People will ALWAYS find an excuse for their bullshit. Women will find excuses for cheating, men will find excuses for beating the shit out of their wives, fatties will find an excuse for gorging themselves into oblivion and whales will find an excuse to spend
That's an argument FOR public shaming, not against it
Shame is one of if not the single most powerful motivator in existence, they wouldn't be fighting back against it so much if it wasn't so significant. All the logical arguments, the health issues, saving money by eating less, fitting in airplane seats, enjoying physical sports, none of it matters to most of them. But if random people stop by your fast food table and ask if you really need that 10am hamburger when you already weigh 80lbs more than you should, that makes an impact.
>Fatties will eventually die if they don't fix their shitty habits, that is their wake-up call
If that worked there wouldn't still be fatties. We've been watching them die graceless and pathetic deaths 30 years early for decades now and it's only getting worse.
>They have whole communities supporting each other, sharing spending strategies, talking about their lucky moments, posting playful jealousy ("EXPLODE", "thanks for funding the next patch"), etc.
That is literally gambling 1 to 1. Look up people arguing about whether slot machines near the front of the casino are more or less likely to pay out
>If that worked there wouldn't still be fatties.
Life expectancy for fat fricks is far higher than the average crackhead or the occasional suicidal gambler for a shitload of obvious reasons, even though all of them share the same type of problem. The wake-up call still scares them because, unlike the other two examples, they don't actually want to die.
>That is literally gambling 1 to 1.
Except for the lack of monetary gain. Whales are always dealing with losses, it's basically the core of this hobby for them. There is simply no wake-up call on this side of the platform.
And like the other anon said, nobody is ashamed of spending money, and wasting your evening laughing at videos of rich people crashing their overpriced cars on trees won't change how modern society works.
>And look where thats got us
Same goes for bawds and prostitutes. Suddenly having your wiener-o-meter at double or triple digits became something you should celebrate.
>men will find excuses for beating the shit out of their wives
Whoa, you need an excuse for that? Ask me how I know you've never spoke to a woman
>inb4 I'm actually a troony
Actually, he's just got taste.
A beaten woman is unsexy as frick. It only arouses people that're on the same level as footgays and scat fetishists. The true game is leaving the body untouched and beautiful, and breaking down her mind instead.
Fatties will eventually die if they don't fix their shitty habits, that is their wake-up call (and not social shaming).
MTX whales aren't like actual gambling-addicted freaks trying to speedrun their way to living under a bridge, because you can't get money from gacha, they literally only do it for Fun™ (and FOMO). They have whole communities supporting each other, sharing spending strategies, talking about their lucky moments, posting playful jealousy ("EXPLODE", "thanks for funding the next patch"), etc. Their only wake-up call is when their favorite game shuts down but most of the time they will find a new game to play before that happens (since that is the reason why these games shut down most of the time, whales migrating to a newer title).
>Whales have money
From what I've seen, that isn't the case. Usually it's just wagies with no impulse control. If they weren't wasting their money on anime JPEGs, they'd be wasting it on alcohol, drugs, gambling, or some other addictive habit.
It doesn't matter if the wagies' disposable income is $10 for a monthly content pack (like a battle pass) or $10000 to max out the newest character from some gachapon simulator, both wagies are still spending money on MTX and supporting each other's life choices because these games are carefully crafted to make players figure out ways to comfortably spend them money on their own by creating a tier-based spending system behind the monetization model.
"Lack of impulse control" hardly matters if you let players convince themselves (and, eventually, each other) that any level of MTX above "not play this MTX-filled game at all" is worth it in the long run. Even people playing these games without spending money are part of this cycle.
Just like how people posting on Ganker™ are generating paid content for free.
They aren't "comfortably spending" though, I know people who work at Wal-Mart that blow hundreds of dollars a week on shit like Hearthstone and Genshin Impact. He lives in a fricking trailer and has two kids and four animals he's supposed to be taking care of, but he spends all his money on bullshit microtransactions.
And I'm sure he loves to get drunk and beats the shit out of his family and pets to cope with his poor life choices. It doesn't matter. because, unless he either kills himself or gets killed by his family, that still is "comfortably spending money on worthless JPGs" because I'm sure Blizzard didn't tell him to get a shitty job, live in a shitty trailer, etc and use all his money to buy digital card packs. He chose this life because he is an useless sack of shit and I'm sure improving his family's lifestyle was never part of his long-term life plans.
Pandering to whales has always lead to failure. The ones who are entrenched into WoW are the ones who think "it's just $20 for a horse mount" and buy it are the ones who arent whaling but just spending a miniscule amount of their money just adds up to a ton of money.
you simply cant shame them as companies protect their paypigs. wow players /spit on mount buyers so blizz removed /spit
Didn't Blizzard remove the ability to /spit because everyone in Classic was spitting on those who paid for a level boost? And "people" if one could even call a redditor that were having meltdowns because players were griefing anyone with paid cosmetics in Darktide?
It works but if devs will do one thing it's defend their monetary stream and morons will defend anything the developers and publishers do out of slavish devotion.
it was about a mount for buying 6 month sub
That's it? A cosmetic for buying a sub in bulk? No wonder Gaming Circlejerk is a thing.
the game was in a bad state and they essentially bribed them to buy a sub when nobody organically would with the mount.
hello troony
That's what I originally thought but other sites said it was over paid boosts, I haven't touched WoW or any Blizzard game past D2 in years so I only knew bits and pieces.
Still griefing paypigs could work, but after all part of the joy of spending money is to lord it over the poorgays so if the poorgays revolt how do the whale get their kicks?
When they first introduced them I'm pretty sure it was $15 but even back then people were mocking players who bought "that moronic sparkle horse"."
Without nostalgia blizzard would have stopped existing long. Gamers really are a cursed bunch of homosexuals with zero control whatsoever. Company should have been boycotted and driven to extinction several years ago.
What a joke.
How do you fail to even understand the issue being discussed so completely?
samegay
are you illiterate or do you just see a picture and react without context?
>Public shaming of whales across all cultures
Already happens, doesn't work.
>Tax companies relying on microtrans
>Regulate microtrans profits
The government doesn't even understand what a microtransaction is. Just look at them trying to figure out what the frick is an AI (and guess who is going to teach them).
Whaling in China is a status symbol
>mfw I've never bought a microtransaction
People will always take the path of least resistance.
It’s why phone games make more than AAA games and why microtransactions for things like “a cool skin” are all the rage.
You don’t need to be Nostradamus to visualize what gaming will look like in 20 years. You can see the decrease in difficulty and player autonomy from the early 2000’s to today.
Personally, I will find a new hobby that requires lots of skill and effort to get good at because this is simply not it anymore.
Nothing can be done about this.
Gamer boycotts don't work.
Spreading the word about shitty monetization practices doesn't amount to shit, even if your videos get millions of views.
The gaming hobby has long since been overrun by shit-eating normalgays that outnumber people with standards 10:1, if not more.
The newer generations of gamers grew up seeing heavy mtx, live service crap and gacha as something normal, and they cannot be convinced to change their habits.
The only winning move is to move back to retro gaming. Modern vidya will forever embrace whatever brings the most money. The days of games being made with passion are long gone.
I feel like this as well, except great games come out still once in a while so I'll stick to those.
This would be factually incorrect. SC2 Wings of Liberty sold 3M copies within it's first month at $50 a pop that's $150,000,000.
In 2010 WoW had 12M active accounts including China (where there was no store) for the Celestial Steed to have brought more money than that it would've meant that 83%> of active accounts would have to purchase it and for SC2:WoL to not sell a single copy beyond the first month. The current acquisition rate on the mount is ~34% on retail.
The profit margin on the Celestial Steed were likely absolutely massive since it probably didn't take more than a couple man hours across the entire company to release it.
But the man in the youtube short told me so it has to be true
I mean yeah it didnt generate as much total revenue but as you said, profit margin. The horse cost an absolute tiny fraction of what Starcraft cost to make, both in terms of financial cost and time.
If I made 1million profit in a week selling cookies in my front yard, but made 2million profit from running a 5star restaurant for a year, you bet I'm selling that restaurant and baking cookies full time
But how long would it take you to bake a whole lot of cookies? Let's say you told a friend that you baked a ridiculous amount of cookies in an unreasonable timeframe and he bet you to prove it. At some point you'd run into scalability problems. Maybe you've just got 2 ovens. Maybe you'd need to work them for 24/7 just to try and fulfill demand and then in the end you'd still not have reached the amount of cookies you claimed you could have baked.
>~34%
Wasn't it duped or something or i'm mistaking it for some other mount?
And they can just reskin it and sell it again
SC2 took 7 years to make and cost $100 million. It makes perfect sense that a fricking horse that probably took less than two weeks to make made more money than a video game.
>$50 a pop that's $150,000,000.
That is wrong, you don't make a 100% profit
That's not even counting all the money they made from SC2 MTX. Announcer packs, co-op commanders, etc. Just a clickbait article. 10bucks says the page is littered with ads, probably 4 video ads minimum among many non video ads, and the videos just keep playing.
didnt sc2 wol sell like 20 million copies at 60 dollars a pop. idk bro i think this random dev is a moron, i highly doubt a single store mount made that much.
Governments will never want to regulate cosmetic mtx in games. They don't even want to regulate lootboxes outside of a select few EU countries, despite a much larger social pressure.
Shaming whales doesn't work either. People used to /spit on cash shop users in WoW and it did nothing. Other games don't even have a culture of looking down on mtx users anymore.
Everyone got tired of fighting against mtx. It just doesn't work, and it's mentally draining to even try, seeing as majority has accepted it as the norm.
It's been over for many years now. We, gamers with standards, are not the target audience anymore. The industry has cast a net in different waters, where there's more fish that don't try to pry holes in the fishing nets.
Why didn't they simply release a horse for SC2?
gamersboys
>"I hate microtransactions"
>"here is my money for microtransaction"
also gamerboys
>"I hate games as a service!"
>gta5
I fondly remember the Starcraft single player storyline.
but the multiplayer was always cancer and extremely unfun since it was just a metahomosexual minmaxing competition and if you miss a click it's over
homosexual.
This. Wings of Liberty is one of my favorite single player experiences, period, but holy frick the multiplayer is cancer.
Evolves, turret d, bounds, all the user created shit was wildly fun. They even had ones that uncovered a little porn in the mini map.
@657514260
>It's another "anon mass replies then projects harder than a film reel " post
no >you for such a terrible post, gayballs.
>not enjoying UMS settings custom maps where you could do crazy shit like Defend the RPD in Resident Evil or LARP as a Starship Trooper
BASED. That poor bastard will never know fun.
HAHAHAHA you're not going to publicly shame whales across cultures, here's why:
>1. being poor is shameful, having a lot of money to spend isn't
>2. people with lots of money are relaxed simply by looking at the number in their bank account, it's the ones without money who are always seething
>3. public shaming won't change points 1 or 2
Nothing really. Blizzard removed /spit and similar to protect their paypigs from being made unwelcome and chased away. iirc it's been going on for a while that they make more with their ingame shop then trough subscriptions. Even if the majority of "normal" players left, as long as those whales are around WoW will trot on and rot.
It's not just blizzard, but every company. For the denizens of Ganker it is a hobby. For anyone in the industry, ANYONE (your favorite writer, programmer, CEO, marketer, etc.) it is a job to bring in money, nothing more. Some people may like their job but it is still their job and they only want to suck your wallet dry.
God people who b***h and moan about micro transactions are the worst. Grow the frick up, of course these massive companies are going find any way to make money. You gotta move the frick on and play games made by companies/ devs that don't do it.
>Why even bother making vidya if you can just sell a horse?
Because you need the vidya infrastructure to have the avenue to sell the horse. You roll the dice a hundred times making games until one is a big game that everyone is hooked on, THEN you capitalize on it. If you try to do the microtransactions from the get go, no one will buy the game. Basically, don't put the horse before the cartridge.
We already tried public shaming, but whales have no shame.
I don't play worlo, I vaguely remember something about players using a /spit emote on people with expensive mounts and blizzard removing it because it hurt whales feelings
The shaming worked, unfortunately you're fighting on their battlefield. Devs will happily ruin a game for a whale's enjoyment.
Nah it was seperate. They removed the /spit to absolve themselves of any wrongdoing during a sexual harassment lawsuit. By doing so they now respect women.
that was from classic which makes it worse. retail becomes a mess of cheevo, store mounts, boosts etc to the point oldguard players keep b***hhing and whining to have a version of the game before all of that
we get it
tbc classic is being announced. blizzard has zero shame so straight up adds both boosts and store mounts when they didn't exist in the game at that point.
retail gays that already had retail swooped in to buy all this up with the same homosexual arguments like wow vanilla takes to long to play and this is just qol and why do you care how i spend my money blah blah blah blah.
the gays buy this shit and the old guard proceed to /spit
/spit was removed
classic is now just retail with less content and now there making essentially classic+ in response and if that is remotely popular the same garbage will than be added to that and we have to go though for a 3rd time.
in original vanilla wow /spit was the ultimate frick you reserved mainly for gankers and node/quest item grabbers.
>whale
>25$ mount
>expensive mounts
BUYING THE COLLECTOR EDITION IS EXPENSIVE NOW AHAHAHAHA
You buy anything you don't need to, you're a whale. It doesn't matter that you're a sub $50 dolphin, you're still a whale.
there's been books and papers written about monetization and they don't use your stupid definition
"my definition" was actually used and it begins at making $25 purchases
>infographic from 2015
$25 is like $100 now, and even your own graphic says PER MONTH, not just buying one thing you don't need
>$25 is like $100 now
jesus fricking christ we have not had 400% inflation over the last 8 years you numbskull
Tell that to my grocery store.
>spending $50 on a game makes you a top whale
who the frick came up with this moronic diagram?
how is spending less than the price of AAA game making you a whale?
Per month of playing that game.
That means 600 dollars a year.
so if you buy 1 console game a month you're also a whale?
that makes no fricking sense
Paying for cost of entry does not make you a whale, no. Double up and pay an extra game's worth on every single game in microtransactions? Yeah you're a whale, Black person.
>no its fine I only spent $1 on my gay glittery horse skin
Incredible.
lmao literally every wow player is whale because they spend $20 a month on sub
> It doesn't matter
I know, it doesnt matter to morons like you because you're just an emotional Black person.
wrath players truly were peak cancer
>calling people who spend $10 whales
you are a fricking moron
1 cent on microtransactions is too much, frick off scum
you dumb Black person monkey, a "whale" is by definition someone who spends huge amount of money, in thousands of $ per months or more
some normie who buys $10 mount once a year is not a whale, and nowadays probably 95% of gamers occasionally buy microtransactions because literally every big game has them
kys brainlet troony
>a whale is by definition
A whale is by definition any slimy wienersucking subhuman who spends a microcosm of a fraction of a unit of currency on microtransactions ever, take your fake dictionary and shove it up your scumbag ass.
Do you have any arguments why they're bad are you going to seethe like a reddit drone?
Eat my ass with a side of fries and some ketchup you hobby raping pieces of shit.
>waaaah muh hobby
>stop raping my hobby by financing it waaaaaah
lmao go back to the subreddit shithole you crawled from troony
>If you like games, go to reddit!
You can't fool me, moron
>stop raping my hobby by financing it waaaaaah
this is true tho, hobbies that used to be for kids have warped around millennial's cash to become soulless money pits
cry about it incel
maybe don't spend your time on hobbies for kids?
third worlder seethe
poor brownoids like you should be banned from the internet
>"dont like it dont buy it"
Cant believe gamers are forced to waste 65$ on pixels, how can gaming company get away with this shit?
I love it how no one cares about cs literally having nfts and gambling but heckin blizzard and ea are the most evil companies ever for selling shit people wanna buy.
>If you hate piss you must love vomit and shit!
Frick off
Why are gamers always so dishonest?
You can hate it but the 65$ horse mount is in a bundle with 70$ worth of diablo coins to buy other cosmetics.
Talking with you Black folk is such a waste of time.
Keep crying about this worthless shit.
>You can hate it but the 65$ horse mount is in a bundle with 70$ worth of diablo coins to buy other cosmetics.
This is your defense. This is what you wrote out to try and make it seem like it's ok.
>This is your defense.
I'm not defending anyting, I'm telling you the facts, im sorry you get triggered by reality you stupid Black person.
But keep being a dishonest moronic littleBlack person, Im sure people will listen to you.
Why I never see you Black person cry about cs, poe or other games selling cosmetics for thousands of dollars?
It's like you Black folk dont really care.
ok, I don't need the $70 worth of everything else, can I buy only the horse mount with $-5?
How about this: the horse mount is free and is something you unlock by doing shit in game because you already bought the fricking game.
newsflash homosexual: everything on battle.net is free and unlockable by grinding in-game currency in world of warcraft
How do you grind this currency anon?
Does it happen to involve paying a monthly fee?
you can pay a monthly fee with in-game gold as well
So your choices are you either pay for them or spend a disproportionate amount of time grinding fake money to get it, instead of just unlocking it by doing shit?
This is a positive direction for games in your eyes? You are ok with this?
you asked for an option that doesn't involve RL money, and I told you that there is one
also the amount of time required for grinding is relative, top players can earn enough money to pay for monthly sub in like 3 hours
Grinding for 3 hours for $15 is fricking moronic, unless you work at McDonalds it makes more sense to work overtime at your job at that point.
Again, is grinding for 3 hours for virtual currency so that you can pay for something directly that would otherwise cost real life money a direction you want games to go in? Did you play games in the past with unlockable costumes and go "gee wizz I sure wish I could've slapped down some cash or killed a skeleton for 3 hours to get this instead"?
What a dumb homosexual you are.
nah mtx follows an 80-20 relationship, the whales are the upper fraction that make up ~80% of the sales
mald troony
Whales are people who spend more money than they need to.
A dolphin is a whale, as is moby dick. It's a spectrum.
People do what they want with their money.
putting everyone responsible in death camps is the only way to fix it
this. there is no other solution. we must kill them all.
GAMERS UNTIE!
if you kill your enemies, they win.
>Low effort mount that reuses existing models, animations and shaders
>Mount is introduced during the literal peak of popularity of one of the most popular games of all time
>Mount is the first premium mount
>Mount makes more money than a failed, overbudget RTS game that was worse than its predecessor, which still existed
Shocking.
I hate the homosexual that said this because he's being disingenuous. Of course one of the most popular games of all time will have more sales on its first meme mount ever than a game in a niche genre that was releasing in segments.
Nothing. Companies will just find another way to monetize the games. Game publishers may not be powerful enough to sway US government policy but companies like Google, Microsoft etc can and they all intend to run all software as a service with monetization schemes as bad as those in games.
"Vote with your wallet" type boycotts are useless as well because you can't vote with the other idiots' wallets and people eat this shit up. That $65 horse armor in diablo 4 is probably selling in good numbers and every purchaser has probably paid for the battlepass and bought at least one $25 outfit in the store.
Without reading this thread the issue is that where money is spent is a deciding factor that comes to change things for a majority. If people can be goaded into paying for things that work against their interests then they will do so. You have shitty and predatory games because men's wallets can be lead along by their dicks. Guys will put aside even breeding just to goon if you price it right and it follows that doing this is more profitable than developing a decent games, or, eventually, anything else.
>SC2 was terribly managed and suffered from awful writing and shit balancing until after LotV.
>Massive development hell that caused it to take years to release after initial announcement. Expansions were supposed to be yearly and they fricked it so hard that Fart of the Swarm took 3 years to make and LotV took two more years.
>Nova Covert Slop was a pointless desperate attempt to make something and it blew dick for its price and added fricking nothing to the game.
>All the content they made for it after was completely unwanted garbage like race skins and FOMO battle chest shit that was all massively overpriced.
>eSports scene was dead on arrival because Blizzard killed the organic ability to broadcast it because supreme israelitery made them go to court with everyone in Korean so that they could hand out broadcasting rights to specific and niche companies that no one liked.
>Only popular thing that kept it alive with Commander Coop, which they botched and fricked with endlessly like it some kind of eSport and almost never released new maps for.
vs
>A reskin of one of the most popular and iconic mounts of all time that probably took one guy a week to make.
Because all software is becoming platforms instead of products
Public shaming won't work. All leftist propaganda drills into peoples minds that they should never feel shame for anything because you are your own personal god and can do whatever you want.
Shame won't even stop people from eating corn syrup for every meal.
games made for "gamers" should be more expensive than games made for casuals. Just like every other hobby out there.
I would gladly pay 200$/game for 2-3 GOOD games per year.
What's the point of buying cosmetic item that's ugly?
Bragging rights. It's like endgame raid rewards, but all the grinding is done outside of the game.
It was a unique mount model at the time only shared with what the hardest boss in the game dropped. That alone kind of pissed off raiders because anybody could spend $25 to get a reskin of their prestige item.
Here's what we knew already, a decade ago when this actually happened:
>Starcraft II failed to do well, due to tone shifts, concerns over subpar story writing (which were well-founded), and announcing the game would be released as a trilogy before the first game hits the shelves
>World of Warcraft has been the leading money printer in video games forever, and their first purchasable mount printed so much money that it could have funded multiple AAA studios
So why are you surprised in 2023? Did you fool yourself into thinking Starcraft II was a big hit? Or did you mistakenly believe Ganker that WoW was dead, as has been claimed every month since 2008?
>Realistically, what can be done about this?
You're 13 years too late to this one. People upload themselves blasting tens of thousands of dollars on gacha rolls. That's all that comes out of China nowadays and it's spreading to Japs and western companies. Blizzard themselves were involved in this guy blasting $25,000 USD on their own gacha. Every gacha game is propped up by 10-20 mentally unwell people. There is nothing you can do about that, because if you spread awareness and made 90% of the people quit gacha games, the morons would spend even more money to make sure their games stay open.
Anyway, how was your coma? You woke up too early. You should probably tuck away for another 6-8 years. Things are gonna get a lot worse before they get better.
>There is nothing you can do about that, because if you spread awareness and made 90% of the people quit gacha games, the morons would spend even more money to make sure their games stay open.
nah, healthy gachas need both whales and a decently big f2p playerblase
whales don't play dead gachas, they need f2peasants to flex on
>that pic
diablo immortal launching was fricking hilarious and desperately sad at the same time.
practically every major streamer made it a thing to try to outspend one another on the game to see "how bad the MTX really are" or some other moronic justification. someone did the math like a week after the game launched and between 20 different streamers Blizzard pulled in over 500,000$
meanwhile those streamers are just talking the whole time about how much of a waste it is and how stupid it is that blizzard is ruining their brand by releasing a game with such insane mtx, completely oblivious to the fact that they're so very complicit in what's going on that they should be held just as accountable.
But it's the same problem with "vote with your wallet by not participating"
If you don't, other streamers will. Now you're behind in relevance, pretense, and money. That would be an absolutely moronic decision for a career streamer. And because everyone else is playing it anyways, businesses are going to keep stuffing mtx into their game design.
There shouldn't be career streamers. Nobody should be worried about falling behind in anything, much less relevance and pretense. People should be streaming games because they like the game. I do not fricking understand this bizarre ass pathetic race for attention or the millions of morons who actually watch this shit. If you are playing a game for any reason besides "I like this and want to talk about how much I like it while other people call me a homosexual and I call them a homosexual right back" you are a detriment to my hobby and need to leave.
>If you don't, other streamers will. Now you're behind in relevance, pretense, and money.
The streamers that were tallied are so far above needing to pull stunts like that, that it's irrelevant. We're talking Quinn, Asmon, Summit1g. The types of streamers that bring the audience with them.
They didn't need to do it to stay relevant or to not fall back in relevance or cashflow. They did it to flex how much money they could spend on a shitty mobile game they won't be playing in a month.
making a mount costs ~1-2k at best (one artist works ~1-2 weeks at it )
the profit margin was simply huge because production cost of the mount is near 0 compared to making a new game.
It looks good cause it ignores the production cost of the game.
>former blizzard now eceleb makes claims with nothing to back them up
>news sites take it as facts
Did I miss anything?
There's nothing and no one to blame except the free flow of capital, it will inherently lead to outcomes that seem dysgenic to the majority because it's not a situation where majority population rules, but majority capital. The only practical solution is to nationalize the gaming industry.
>2010
>a $15 dollar item being offered to 12 million active users
>a $50 game that was loaded with controversy such as only offering 1/3rd of the story and unknown amount of units and game modes trying to bait players to buy the same game 3 times
>the $15 dollar horse sold better
Drama out of nothing.
lol I'm not going to buy an in-game skin, let alone play World of Warcraft. This doesn't affect me whatsoever.
We knew this back in 2011.
Our reality is literally in reruns now.
You see this Ganker? This is why we cannot have nice things. This is why these companies have predatory monetary practices and why we will forever have all this garbage monetization in gaming. Any of you homosexuals that supported the downfall of gaming need the rope.
>Gamer: I want some exclusive cosmetics for my character
>Blizzard: I can offer you that for $$$!
>Ganker incels: I never consent to this reeeeeeeeeee
Why are autists like this?
what?
damage control. Thread isn't going like he wanted it too.
Players and devs want mtx, thats why they buy it.
If you don't like it, give alternatives to monetization. If you put no money you have no opinion, its a business after all
your masters have abused and bullied players into wanting this shit. they employ goddamn psychologists in order to facilitate this nonsense.
psychologists with addiction specialization. They use the public funded research on drug rehabilitation to create addictive games. Quite ironic turn of events.
Personally i believe everyone who buys this sort of stuff deserves to be taken out back and shot.
>Realistically, what can be done about this?
Have some fricking shame. Blizzard should be ashamed of themselves for this, but they aren't, so this is what they do.
>2006
>horse armor is only cosmetic guys, it doesnt affect gameplay
>fast forward to 2023
>cosmetics are everywhere, affecting how much you pay for games, it's obnoxious, it's greedy, it's predatory
We told you homosexuals but you wouldn't listen. Enjoy your soulless corporate slop.
WoW is a bit different. But there are entire AAA quality games that I got for free, or a few bucks that got years and years of updates and support because they made money selling cosmetics I don't give a shit about.
How is this bad?
I feel like the point of mount hunting is largely the task required to get the mount. While looking cool is obviously important. I genuinely do not understand using a cash shop mount. My bigger gripe is with WoW tokens tbh. They legit effect the economy.
Apologize.
Nothing can be done about it. Unfortunately, this means you will only see F2P multiplayer team based games moving forward. Because SC/SC2 is primarily played as a 1v1 game, it unfortunately does not meet this criteria
neither sc games are played primarly as 1vv1 games. 4v4 and custom games in both are more popular. and sc2 coop mode is the most popular mode.
>custom games
i believe this, but how do you monetise it? I remember blizzard made some premium arcade passes for a select few custom games but they didnt do all that well.
>4v4
Surprises me, but in that case SC3 will push harder for this mode to maximize your exposure to paid skins
>coop ai
forgot this is definitely a popular mode, but again how do you monetize it? Having bling to show off to one dude isn’t the same as showing it off in a 4v4 lobby where you carry. Commanders are the obvious one but they dont sell like horse armour does
>Starcraft 3
That would be the woes thing ever.
>Why even bother making vidya if you can just sell a horse?
Because reality is chaotic and you don't know if you're going to make more money with a game or with a horse, so normally what people do is separate a part of their capital to invest in both things.
Only low-IQ morons bet everything on a single area because they are seduced by the possible profits. These morons are everywhere, they are sometimes CEOs of large companies, and no wonder you pick up that book from 30 years ago on the secret of the success of the world's largest companies and notice that 50% of the companies cited have already gone bankrupt.
This + comparative advantage.
The people who started horse armour just released a $60 game with 0 microtransactions they spent 6 years in, because they can better compete in that space then steal slot spin money from Genshin.
>old employee make youtube meme video
>goes viral because of ecelebs shit
>news article is made
I hate the modern world
There are gachas and even items on Steam that exceed it's $1800-$2000 wallet limit.
I want to talk to the morons who buy this shit, on top of paying for their subscription every month.
pass a law that codifies any "games" that have lootboxes, gatcha mechanics and in-game currencies or whale psyops under the same umbrella as casinos and tax the studios the same amount
Not games but the entire company anon, you make 1 game like that and all of your profit from now on is taxed like you're running a casino but there is no exception for natives like with the real casinos.
Does this make any sense? The mount sold for $15, at its height WoW had 10 million players. I don't think the mount came out when WoW was at its peak popularity but even assuming it was, if every single player in the game bought the $15 mount (which obviously didn't happen) that's 150 million. SC2 sold for what at launch, $60? It would only have to sell 2.5 million copies at launch price to make more money than the mount. I'm pretty sure SC2 sold way more than 2.5 million.
https://youtube.com/shorts/IHZru-6M8BY?si=SMzZbgrJXtRfgKkG this dude worked at blizzard and i would tend to believe stuff from people who left their job because it sucked.
What the frick is this? This narcissistic practiced radio voice homosexual started popping up in my feed like 3 weeks ago out of nowhere no matter how many times I said not to recommend him. Now there are news articles about him and threads on Ganker? What the frick, is the internet COMPLETELY fake at this point?
Baader–Meinhof phenomenon
>le illusion of noticing
No, I never saw him on Youtube before in my life until 3 weeks ago, and I never saw him on here or anywhere else EVER until today.
Same, this obvious grifter started showing up in my youtube recommendations saying a bunch of "as a game dev" bullshit like he's some authority figure just because he's working on some random dogshit indie game that will never come out
Every single short is just a variation of "why I'm so great" while he types a single line of code in the background.
Youtube algorithm will push "random" content creator from time to time.
Previously there's the peaky blinders, now it's the grand budapest hotel.
you can't do anything about it, the population is filled with morons
People seem to not realize that average person even in western educated first world countries is impulsive literal double fricking digit IQ golem.
Frick EZ In-cholesterol
Frick IdrA
Frick DJ Wheat
Destiny was RIGHT
>Frick EZ In-cholesterol
You can't say that bro he's dead
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I miss HuK streams so much bros
Maximum comfy when kpop wasn't purely for gays
Starcraft II was probably Blizzard's biggest blunder
>skimp out on the single player campaign (aka the only reason people play it)
>go all in on Esports shit
>game too difficult for Bong and Burger brains
>asiatics massively prefer Starcraft I since it runs on potato cafe PCs
>SCII Arcade can only carry the game so long and it's all free content
Next time don't make the story utter shit.
>story
>video game
nobody cares
>Bong
Extremely weird thing to bring up. A nation with twice the population of california but a fraction of its gdp is completely irrelevant to the discussion. You may as well have said that Indonesia, or Italy, or Brazil can't handle the game. What a bizarre fixation you have.
>Starcraft II was probably Blizzard's biggest blunder
No, it was their first big blunder, since then they managed to surpass it multiple times, Overwatch alone did it like 4 times.
How is it possible?
The math doesn't add up.
Unless the moron meant "During this month, October 2023, the mount sold more than SC2 did."
>Public shaming of whales across all cultures
I have $400k/yr wfh IT job, spending $10k on games to get some dopamine is literally nothing for me, my bank account won't even notice it. No amount of public shaming will change my mindset because I just have enough money to not care about spending them. You trying to shame me is equivalent of a homeless person yelling at me for driving Ferrari instead of Volvo.
>earn 140k a year
>don't buy battlepasses or skins because they have no value to me
thanks for the free gameplay updates whales
>Realistically, what can be done about this?
You just need devs to be moral. Starcraft 2 didn't flop even if it didn't out sell WoW because there is still a market for it. Just need devs that want to make fun games even if they aren't the highest selling game of all time.
But I fear zoomers don't understand this concept since everything their has been about superficial popularity numbers due to social media their entire life.
Reminder that Blizzard had the opportunity to add an awesome WC3 RTS mode to WoW with Warfronts or whatever the frick it was called. But they completely fricked it up.
>add an awesome WC3 RTS mode to WoW with Warfronts or whatever the frick it was called. But they completely fricked it up.
This sound as moronic as adding a card game to wow.
Just play hs or wc3, you guys are legit moronic.
i kinda thought it would be like the commander mode from battlefield 2. most players are running around the map and then there are two commanders controlling the grunts/npc units.
Would you guys play World of Starcraft?
no, and it would fail because sci-fi doesn't appeal to biofoids
very deceptive claim as it was the first microtransaction ever in wow, so obviously it was going to sell an insane amount, and was at a bait price of 25 bucks,
>waaaah how do we stop the free market
How about you have a nice day commie homosexual
>allegedly
gaming news are slowing down eheh
Anyway one reason wow is stil lalive 20 years later and sc is fricking dead 🙂
Maybe they should have added cosmetic mtx to sc2 🙂
Anon, most whales (ie the people who aren't poorgays literally spending their entire paycheck on MTX for some reason), are filthy rich people who literally don't know what to do with their money
It's either rich parents/inheritance, or some young engineer who's making $120k a year and literally doesn't know what to do with the money. I've personally known 2 from the latter category, young tech guys spending thousands per month on lootboxes in an MMO we played together 10 years ago. The money simply didn't matter to them.
How are you gonna shame these people? "Haha you have lots of disposable income you don't care about"?
Why would they care?
nothing. let morons buy the horse skin or mount. fund your passion projects with the profits.
so make starcraft 3 with horse skin money.
>buying video games period
>implying most purchases aren't moronic wastes of money
Someone with 80iq mad about someone with 75iq
>subhuman 3rd world Black folk mad about people spending $25 on video games: the thread
People are moronic consumerist drones, more news at 11.
the industry didn't crash because of gamers though.
how did gamers became the dumbest consumers? there is literally no demographic as stupid as video game fans
Sc2 is shit though. Full price for a third of the game. So it's just a dlc too and consumers did the right thing there and didn't buy it
you convince people games should be a complete product and mtx devalue said product regardless of the nature of the mtx
the reason mtx work with most games is not just whales, is enablers and useful idiots parroting "it's skin cosmetics, who cares"
maybe start caring ?
>lets write an article about a youtube short i saw on the toilet
jounalism was a mistake.
kill all journalists
ALL