Realistically, what is their next move? They have only made Divinity and now Baldurs gate so the way I see it its either
>Divinity 3
>Expansions/DLC for BG3
>BG4
>New CRPG (nvw, icewind etc)
BG 3 was huge success money wise so I think its a no brainer they just stuck with this. What do you think bros? Either way it will be 2+ years before we hear anything
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>another eurotrash dev undeservedly propped up by western investment
They're going to make a futuristic RPG, spend 8 years on it and then facescan a moviestar into it and call it good
>undeservedly propped up by western investment
Anon, they didn't receive funding to make BG3 from anyone (not even WotC), it's self published and a private company that's not publicly traded.
>they didn't receive funding to make BG3 from anyone
Okay, whose funding anon? enlighten us if you're not a gay
Larian's MO is literally take almost everything we earn from a game and throw it at our next project. BG3 had such a high budget because of how well DoS2 did, but they still needed the crowd funding through selling early access.
>private company
Tencent owns 30% of their holdings company.
Yes. And neither Larian nor their holdings company are traded on any stock exchange. Which is the definition of private company.
Yeah, tencent just holds the purse strings.
moron.
swen has more than 60% shares which basically means tencent has no say in meetings
Not that anon but a 30% stake in shares is significant and definitely gets you a say in meetings, just not enough that they're beholden to anything they say.
I can't imagine they'd be saying much anyways as long as they're making money, giga-corporations like tencent and blackrock and the like won't usually get nosy unless they smell blood in the water.
I don't think you understand
they get 30% of the dividends paid out and they benefit from increases in value of the company because they can sell it
but they have exactly 0 bargaining power
if u own 51% of a company by your self, even 50.1% or whatever
you can make whatever decision you want and literally no one can shit to you, its 100% your choice
owning 30% when a bunch of different people own different amounts means you have a lot of bargaining power as people want you to side with them as decisions can easily be influenced by your large share, if over 50% agree for a choice, then boom, thats what it is, if you are more than half of that, then of course you have power
but with a majority shareholder, then yeah they can do whatever they want
most likely tencent has 30% non voting shares
scenario builder dlc for bg3
With WotC and their web based tabletop sim? Not a chance.
Oh yeah, I forgot that Chris wieners is an idiot.
They did this with OS2 amd nobody cared.
Nwn style peresistant worlds in bg3 would be awsome but it seems like this particular kind of magic remains in the past, only propped up by coomers
>They did this with OS2 amd nobody cared.
I did, and i care enough to tell you how half-assed, restrictive and non-scriptable it was
You couldn't actually have a working custom map or anything like that with it
Doing what Neverwinter Nights wanted to do but with BG3 tools would be fricking insane.
NWN is never going to happen again, complexity of creating custom modules only increased and Larian ditching classic dialogue box in favor of cutscenes only made it worse, much worse. There isn't even a text chat to talk in multiplayer.
Do you think the success of BG3 and its take on D&D will influence WOTC going forward? This game is very mature focussed while D&D proper seems to still be very "family friendly".
They need to give us the tools to make player modules and campaigns or just straight up make Neverwinter Nights 3 and give us the tools with that.
Oh, frick yeah. Got a bit of a chub thinking about that.
Kek, I must have spent 500+ hours making a handful of modules in NWN. Making a player character is one thing but when you sit there planning out every fricking encounter, npc and their stats etc it becomes all consooming. If they do release module tools I'll probably start making Elder Scrolls stuff, like the adventures you read about in all the in-game books that Bethesdas shitty game engine could only dream of making a reality.
like they did in dos2?
yeah people asked them this
and they said it takes a shitload of work and its hardly used by anyone so they don't want to rush into it again
basically said no it takes too much work and no one fricking uses it despite people asking for it
but it would be cool if they added it, I just wouldn't use it lmao
Yeah they did it for dos2 and no one gave a shit.
A genuine 'you think you do but you don't' situation.
>hardly used by anyone
>turned NWN into one of the most replayed CRPG's of all time due to the sheer amount of custom modules
Theyŗe full of shit.
anon they made them for dos2
and even more, even had the DM mode for doing it fricking live
and do you know how many people used them? do you know how much stuff got made? basically none
I wanted to play custom campaigns with my bro after we had already played the shit out of the campaign a few times but we couldn't find anything good
not to mention a chunk of them were for classic non EE version and never got updated to EE because the guys who made them didn't want to do that
will they do it for bg3? maybe, bg3 has a much bigger audience so maybe they will give it a go to see if the bigger audience means more custom content, but I doubt many people will make use of it
so they aren't full of shit or wrong, because they didn't get used for dos2, and if they make them for bg3 and it doesn't pan out, I don't see them ever making them again
A DND5e campaign editor with the BG3 engine would be a lot more popular for sure. Someone out there is autistic to remake BG1.
yeah after how well BG3 has done I wouldn't be surprised if they do it again, pull out all the stops for it since its blown up
and the statement they made that I mentioned was made before launch, so the tune might have changed
but none the less, their feelings were expressed and I think its silly to disregard them saying they don't want to do it again because its a lot of work and no one cared last time as its a very legitimate reason
Yeah, modders will make the tools themselves if they really want to.
People claim to want it, but it is a huge learning curve to make those high fidelity assets and campaign yourself.
First person shooter
Calling it now.
This, I see them going the same route as CDPR.
>Basically make the same game over and over (3rd person, shallow open world)
>One game becomes massively popular (Witcher 3)
>Touted as the saviors of gaming
>Then decide to make a game completely out of their wheelhouse (FPS, dense open world)
>Royally frick it up
The difference is Larian has already been around for quite a while and had a fair amount of frick ups already. They were pretty much down to their last few dollars by the time they started DoS which is why they had to reach out for crowd funding.
My personal theory is that CDPR failed so now investors are trying to prop up another euro dev to slaver over regardless of their performance
Honestly an apt comparison because despite the clunkiness at times, Witcher 1 was passion project and probably the best game CDPR made, just to have the good parts dropped to pursue trends going forward, and it was the peak of that chase that drew critical acclaim
deus ex
first off they need to make a definitive edition for bg3 and fix the shite act 3 and the no effort endings
>definitive edition
is that basically like enhanced edition for pathfinder? what did it even do?
They patch the game so it's not a broken pile of shit anymore and call it dlc
for their last game divinity original sin 2 it made act 3 bearable and some QOL changes
pretty much
DOS2 Arx is pretty great now imo. BG3 endings were a real dissappointment, espeially with all the bugs. I expected more from a Durge ending.
Thanks for playtesting it for us Definitive Edition chads to swoop in and get the real experience
Larian gives out the Enhanced Edition to original owners of their games every single time, "chad".
BG3 was basically larian Witcher 3, so now all that is left is hubris and pissing their newfound success away with a cyberpunk.
>success away with a cyberpunk
They don't have endless money for $350 mil marketing.
For the love of god make Divinity 3 (the real one)
this and make the combat even more wonky im talking full eurojank with tons of interactions
You are getting more badly written homosexuals, that's for sure
divinty dragon commander 2
DLC + enchanted edition into EA OS3 into 4 year wait into release with critical acclaim
>enchanted edition
I just looked this up, I wasn't aware this was even a term kek. Seems a bit silly to just go and redo a game thats come out 1-2 years ago but I guess it works?
yeah they only release bug fixes for the base game and then do an enhanced edition to clean up anything else that needs to be changed
its good because they are split up, so you can still play the vanilla game as it launched or you can play the EE that usually has some rebalancing, some changed up encounters/fights, story changes, etc
they have always had it free, so I like it, I also don't really see the issue anyone could have with it, its pretty good to have people still working on fixing up any issues for a year+ after the games launch
They're doing the next big Warhammer thing after the CA license for Warhammer: Total War expires. I'm surprised more people don't already know about this.
atleast be fantasy
aside from vermintide and total war every other warhammer game is 40k
and it feels like they release 3 40k games every 6 months these days
Nice
god please be fantasy tired of fricking spess muhrines
You'll get fantasy Space Marine and you will like it.
well no shit it's 40k
there's more original baldur's gate players here than 40k fans
They made 6 divinity games. 2 more were in the pipeline until they got the license
They also made a rts game and like 2 dozen children games to pay the bills
So im assuming they either stay in working contact with wizards and make another dnd product or go back to working on those 2 divinity games. The xcom spinoff one fallen hero’s is canned just because the graphics would be seen as a step back from bg3 and that game was just a way to reuse dos2 assets while dos3 baked anways
Jews will rape it just like they did elder scrolls, all blizzard games, fallout
imagine dragon commander politics with the dialogue interactivity of bg3
gay furry western eroge slop
should i give divinity 2 ego draconis another chance?
i used to try to play it on my old pentium 4 shitbox when it came out on steam but i could never get it to run well enough and then just forgot about it for 12+ years
I think divine divinty is there 2nd best game after dos2 if you never played thst but divinty 2 is alright, really silly/awkward but has a lot of cool ideas and the closest to feeling like im playing a fable game since fable 1
thankfully i enjoy eurojank
>dos2
how does the dos2 story compare to something like bg3(which id rather 9/10 story).
I finished it in 4 player coop but we were skipping everything so it would all be new for me.
Its alright. Theres some fun characters, decent memorable lines like i adore the lucian encounter, and moments have good build up but the main story and the mechanic that exists within the world source everything is built around just isn’t that interesting outside of the prospect of becoming a god which has novetly to it. I played far worse stories but its not like a top 5 crpg story either. Like a solid 7/10
bg3 feels like a AAA game - polished storylines and voice acting.
dos2 you can feel the lack of funds in comparison - they do stuff like reuse voice lines and the storylines are stretched thin like too little butter on too much bread.
great for it's time but bg3 is like a magnum opus in the space.
They get the Pathfinder license from Owlflop and make Rise of the Goonlords.
>They get the Pathfinder license
I won't be able to deal with every single character sounding like Karlach.
No please the worse aspect of the Pathfinder games are the Pathfinder characters
>No please the worse aspect of the Pathfinder games are the Pathfinder characters
Well in truth D&D isn't that impressive either, but in the right hands you can do good shit, as Larian showed.
It's a little unfair to pitch Owlcat against Larian, Larian has way more experience and is a bigger self published studio.
I'm not bashing Owlcat I'm bashing the trash imposed characters that you can't even romance like the barbarian in kingmaker or the npcs like the dykes in wotr
Their next move is fixing and actually finishing their shitty game. Fricking hell, the further you go from what was available in EA the worse and worse it gets.
honestly how much of a shit PC do you have to have to be experiencing this? im about to beat the game and have had minor issues outside of a weird cutscene camera angle
Quests in Act 3 can get in a bit of a tangle, they need to clean up their quest triggers for sure. Other than that only issue I've had was a character getting stuck in some scenery but can just port to a waypoint for shit like that.
Everyone says they’re the next CD projekt red so whatever game it is will get extremely hyped up and if it doesn’t meet the expectations of everyone it becomes the biggest laughingstock and the worst game ever so it doesn’t matter
Witcher 3 is frankly a shit tier RPG compared to BG3.
They'll be fine so long as they don't promise a true genre changing RPG and then after 8 years backtrack on it being an RPG at all and make it a shitty GTA clone.
Just don't commit their exact same mistakes.
>CP2077
>a shitty GTA clone
Jesus Christ, Anon, you had a million valid criticisms you could have made and you opted to say something that moronic instead?
He's not wrong cyberpunk it's a gta clone
swen said he wanted to do something smaller, something that won't take six years to develop
I dont think anyone would might just a assest reuse game, the bg3 assets are quite nice but first thing should be fixing bg3.
Act3 framerate and bugs is simply unacceptable
they'll fix it. and in a year or two we'll get the definitive edition
Its practically a given at this stage, correct? DOS2 was far less successful and got one, this made frick tons of money, a Definitive edition is a no brainier (and it needs it even more than dos2).
No dlc/expansions after?
>No dlc/expansions after?
they don't do dlcs or expansions but they might with this game. not sure if before or after a definitive edition. they've never been this successful before, and it's also not their IP so who really knows
An asset flip game would be nice. We could get a game equal in scope to BG3 but in half the time probably.
He also said before that Larian is not capable of making small games, that any game they make will end up being a nightmare of scope creep anyway.
>swen said he wanted to do something smaller
Swen also told the IT guys to prepare for 100k players max, the explosion changes things dramatically.
I'm sure that was before having almost 1 000 000 concurrent players only in steam
he can't be this naive. the next game will be compared to bg3 no matter what he said and anything less will be seen as a disappointment
What if he doesn't care. What are they gonna do? Boycott his new game?
A cyberpunk game
They are going to within the next years make a Fallout and Vampire: The Masquerade game.
Don't make me hard anon.
They said they're going to make a small-scale title now after how much effort it took to make BG3.
Let's hope it's Divinity Dragon Commander 2
will the people who actually make those choices agree to this after seeing the money from bg3?
Well Swen makes those choices and it was him who said he wants to make a smaller game.
I dont know much about the company but is he the actual owner/shareholder etc? I thought he was just the guy that runs the team
He founded the studio and runs it. Has 62% share of the company, his wife has like 9 or 10%. So he does what he wants.
Based. In this case most likely, like other anons have said
>fix bugs
>fix act 3(defenetive edition maybe)
>some smaller shitty rpg
seems like the most likely outcome
plus the 30% Tencent owns
Owner. Outright. Old aristocratic Belgian money, Congo days. Now just rich degenerate gays. Their offices are a family mansion. Core globohomo. Straight up degen creating degen slops. More news at 11.
you seem mentally stable
But he's right?
i don't buy it. rich globohomosexual enthusiasts don't become game dev nerds.
He has four kids. Noble non moron genes. Sounds less degen than most of Ganker.
He's European nobility, not israeli nobility. It makes him superior to 99% of anyone on the planet, because being undiluted European nobility means he has actual white genes. Seethe, mutt.
basically your brain on /misc/ and murica
european nobility is hated by israelites because they kicked them out of their countries 90 times out of 109
tencent has a 30% share in the company, you know the league of legends guys
Holy shit, this actually explains how and why the shilling for this game was so intense, none of it added up when I thought they were a small independent studio
wow that's the smartest thing I've ever heard a dev say
Whatever it will be, you can guarantee it will be filled with weaponized HIV direct from the sphincter of the original African AIDS monkey. Direct neural HIV infection. No survivors.
you alright, little buddy?
Stop hitting on me. It's not ok.
KOTOR 3
Also a possibility if they don't make a new Fallout or Vampire: the Masquerade. Hoping not though because Star Wars is still too fricked.
That'd be funny.
I'd laugh.
>Nu Wars
Let it go
On one hand SW is dead, on another the BioWare cucking would be glorious
So is it better to multiclass Wyll into a Sorcerer/Wizard or just stay pure Warlock?
if you multiclass him, take him into sorcerer instead. you only need 2 levels of warlock to get agonizing blast, then you can pump the rest into sorcerer for better spellcasting.
the slots you get from warlock SHOULD be convert-able into sorcery points if it works like the TTRPG, which can be nice for getting back some quicken/subtle/twin spells.
Neverwinter Nights 3 with custom modules.
>Planescape: Torment 2: Unbearable Pain
Anon writing isn't their strength and planescape it's more a VN than a game
To be fair, all they have to do is hire Avellone to write another Planescape game.
fix the fricking act 3 and final battle, it gets buggier and buggier the closer it gets to end and final battle map is literally an artificial difficulty battle rigged with a couple of instakill deaths
>and final battle map is literally an artificial difficulty battle rigged with a couple of instakill deaths
lmao git good
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Skill issue, i beat the final boss on tactician mode and it wasnt that hard. Just ignore the dragon and focus on killing or ccing the mindflayers so they cant interrupt your character's channeling. After that its just a DPS race that can be beaten in 2 turns if your comp is not trash ( I killed the brain in 2 turns with one of my characters dead )
Not sure why you would ignore the dragon. My fighter just one tapped him, thanks to 13 attacks per turn. The ending fights were slogs, time wasters but piss easy.
Why would you waste your time killing a dragon that does no dmg ? Just focus your attacks on what actually matters : The mindflayers
fix coop
my friend went paladin and became an oathbreaker and then wanted to respec
he paid the oathbreaker the 1000g to renew his oath so he could pay to respec the oathbreaker knight despawned and hes still stuck as a breaker
They should use what their main talent is and make a damn porno game
make more reddit games
Cyberpunk 2078, the hit sequel to Cyberpunk 2077 and Edgerunners
They turned Divinity into a meme and not content to just release the third Divinity: OS game with the name scrubbed off under a DnD license, they went out their way to shit all over the previous BG games
Only thing that could redeem Larian at this point is if the last decade and a half were all some Machiavellian plot to garner goodwill and resources to make a modern day Divine Divinity (their only great game) equivalent
Remake Baldur's Gate 1 and 2.
I dont want modern writers to touch Aerie!
months until they fix the shit coding
and people paying for this
I'm 70hrs into the game in Act 3 and literally only came across 1 bug, which wasn't game breaking.
>works on my machine
Not that guy, but I've run into a couple. Nothing too terrible. Secret door opening noise playing on repeat. Jumping over a chasm, stopping mid air, dying. Camera stuck inside the environment. Throwing a potion at someone and nothing happens. People talking in cutscenes and their heads shuddering around like japanese ghost. I think I am at hour 55 and in moonrise tower. I beat the mausoleum first on accident. LaeZel is best girl.
My favorite bug so far has been Laezel haunting my camp after Shadowheart kills her, only to die for real after I killed the inquisitor.
She was still level 4 too, never really stood a chance.
Actually I do get attacks taking a while to register sometimes, or occassionaly an enemy just stands there for like 10 seconds before it takes it turn. Did you verify files and all that shit? I'm not even using the latest nvidia drivers, only have an 8800k, 32gb ram and a 3060ti right now and never had any of those issues
That happens to me randomly, forgot about it. Enemy will dash and then just sit there for about 15 seconds. I am all up to date and using a 3080ti evga.
its not because its frozen or anything to do with ur gpu, thats the AI trying to figure out what to do, it often shows up when its trying to path find to you but it can't find a way so its checking a bunch of different options like jumping over, throwing shit at u, using its spells, etc
its very obvious when it will show up when u put it in a situation where it can't do what it "should" do and its avoiding trying to just do nothing
genuinely if u think its "random" and has to do with ur gpu you are probably a moron if u didn't notice it has to do with the AI
homie I've had it happen with bow wielding enemies in an open room. 3 enemeis vs my team of 4 shouldn't take 10+ seconds to calculate its move in an open room.
you understand it being in an open room means it has a frickload of choices of things it can do right?
that anon is right that its AI and you just don't even understand what you are saying.
Nah. I dealt with AI. When the enemy stands there doing nothing, it's because it's in a logic loop. Complex AI has them all the time. It takes like .1seconds to run through regular AI logic of what move to make, it's almost instant. If the characters standing there for 10 seconds, it's because it's in a logic loop.
I had this horribleness and it made me almost quit. Stopped happening after I formatted and went from w10 to w11 by chance so definitely some kind of system specific bug. Had all up to date drivers before the format.
>nocoder talks out his ass again
you are wrong, shadowheart is best girl, lae'bawd is cringe
(38 hours in, just got to moonrise)
Shadowheart didn't compliment my half orc barbarian musk enough for my tastes.
>People talking in cutscenes and their heads shuddering around like japanese ghost.
I would pay for early access launch animations
Dragonlance RPG series
parallel expansions for bg 3 (more subclasses, possibly races)
Possibly more story, but doubtful. If they do it will probably be a shorter side campaign.
Count money while slowly making div 3.
Wizards of the Coast is gonna be all over them for a sequel. They probably either remake Temple of The Elemental Evil or do a fresh IP on D&D.
This is the point in a studio's lifecycle where they start an ambitious new project that's nothing like anything they made before and it turns out to be a steaming pile of shit. We've still got a few years before that happens though.
They will be purchased by Microsoft and will never release another game.
Microsoft already tried. Swen said no.
in interviews they already said they'd like to do some smaller scale projects next
>Divinity 3
Probably.
>Expansions/DLC for BG3
Larian doesn't make DLC.
>BG4
release date: 2035
>New CRPG (nvw, icewind etc)
no one cares about these games and Swen probably doesn't like nu-crpg
even though I didn't think it looked very good, they should prob finish the DOS2 spinoff they were working on before BG3. bank some easy money before starting on a DOS3 or BG4.
According to Vincke they are working on a smaller CRPG project which is very likely DOS3. However he did state that he had a huge interest in an online DND5e game where players can go on an adventure in a persistent online world. Something where people can make custom quests/worlds based on the DND5e ruleset.
Icewindale
if divinity 3 brings back that armor/magic armor gay cancer aids bullshit i swear to the lord in heaven
it was pretty egregious, I loved Divinity2 but it really boiled down to:
>everyone as to do either Magic damage or Physical to focus on popping armor
>don't bother with heals, just get more skills to stack armor
>hazards. hazards everywhere. if the floor isn't 80% cursed fire, or corrupted blood you are doing it wrong
>barrelmancy (the most noble of all magic)
I did love it though.
The existence of barrelmancy completely stopped me from being able to get into OS1 or 2 it's just so fricking dumb. BG3 is a bit better but I find myself just killing the obvious "bad guys" to resolve all conflicts, I think I'm still in act 1 and I don't want to give up on it yet but it feels really simplistic
>4x glass cannon party
>enough in air magic for teleport and netherswap
>adrenaline
>stand behind them all
Yep, it’s pile every enemy in a small group and delete them before they have a turn time.
The armor system’s flaw was that it gave the appearance of what you complain about. In reality, mixed damage parties were great. Armor values varied and there were plenty of spells that were specifically made for mixed damage parties. Too many people just couldn’t think for themselves. Barrelmancy shit is also something completely optional. I never used them in DOS1, DOS2 or BG3.
>2 year+ before we hear anything
If we hear anything that soon, it will be for a BG3 DLC.
if they do another DND game, I'd love to see one set on a different setting. Greyhawke, Dragonlance, Eberron, Planescape, etc.
A MTG game could be neat too.
Concentrate on fixing the bugs in BG3 first. Also I feel a bit lost in act 3 so fleshing it out a bit more wouldn't hurt
A new neverwinter would be cool, I played nights when I was a little one, I was too young to really understand how to play but I loved just fricking around and exploring
Didn't they announce they have a secret game they're working on now?
Sven said that because his studio is having troubles working on 2 games at the same time, they have cancelled quite a few projects already. We know Divinity Fallen Heroes is one and there's another supposed DOS2 successor that has been cancelled too. Because of that they will be very careful about announcing their next game.
A 40k rpg to bury owlcat once for all
What's a good crpgs for beginners who've never touched the genre boombooms? Preferably a fantasy setting
do you want a technical challenge or a power fantasy where you look at things and they explode
Something that'll help me learn the ropes before getting into the classics.
The ropes? Just play this game or divinity original sin 2, they're the most non-serious casual newbie games imaginable
Fallout 1 is the only right answer. It's easy, short and good.
true, it's a pretty good introduction
BG3 unironically. Pathfinder games are fricking fantastic but they require some autism.
BG3
7,62 high calibre with blue sun mod
Dark Sun: Shattered Lands
Return to DOS and marvel at how little crpgs have changed in the last three decades
planescape torment, deus ex, or disco esylium, the stories in other crpgs are shit along with the combat
Ignore all of the morons telling you to start with 20+ year old games. If you listen to them you're gonna get filtered and hate the genre.
I recommend starting with Dragon Age Origins. The story isn't as good as the classics like Baldur's Gate 2, Arcanum, or Planetscape Torment, but it IS good.
The companions are also super likeable. As are the romances, which people on Ganker still jerk off to this day.
Gameplay is pretty easy, but it's still fun. It's like a modernized version of the Isometric classical era. So you get to enjoy the RTWP nature without being at the mercy of dice rolls.
Once you've finished Dragon Age Origins, I recommend going back and playing Baldur's Gate 1 and 2.
Don't sweat if you hate 1, it honestly didn't age well. So if you're still not enjoying it after about 3-4 hours, then I recommend dropping it and jumping straight into 2. You won't be lost in the story, because 2 opens with a pretty comprehensive cutscene that explains what happened in BG1.
After you've beaten BG2, you're free to choose whichever CRPG you want from that point forward.
>I recommend starting with Dragon Age Origins
It's a legitimately good suggestion. People recommending that a newbie start with Fallout 1, Baldur's Gate 1, or Dark Sun are out of their rabid ass minds.
The mechanics will be to complex for them to understand. And the lack of QoL features will filter the shit out of them.
It makes far more sense to start with a streamlined experienced ala Dragon Age Origins, where they get full voice acting, simplified RTWP combat, and a memorable story + cast.
Is Dragon Age Origins as good as the classics? No. But it's a fantastic ENTRY into the series.
>It's a legitimately good suggestion
No 🙂
It is.
No. It's not a good suggestion because dragon age isn't good.
>the critically acclaimed CRPG that's beloved everywhere, even Ganker, for it's cast, story, and gameplay is bad because....it's...popular
>the critically acclaimed
Spare me your metacritic schlop.
hurf durf homosexuals get off muh vidya
>CRPG
All BioWare made after BG2 is straight up console shit, DA:O included.
In fairness some of it was excellent consoleshit
Mass Effect was once a very promising series
The only thing Fallout 1 is missing is some companion tweaks and an NPC shove button (both corrected in the sequel), it's hardly some esoteric UI people would struggle to wrap their head around
Same with Dark Sun as well, full mouse support to the point it handles close to a modern game
The only thing I agree with here is to skip BG1 and just play BG2
>the mechanics will be to complex
Shut the frick you dumb esl Black person. If you are too stupid to understand how thac0 works, you don't deserve to breathe. Dragon Age is shit.
thac0 is and always was moronic
I wasn't arguing about it being a good system, I was saying that if you lack the intelligence to wrap your mind around its function, you do not deserve to be alive and I stand by that statement.
>Shut the frick you dumb esl Black person
typo
>If you are too stupid to understand how thac0 works
don't put words in my mouth
>Dragon Age is shit.
a baseless statement with no argument or facts to back it up. you cannot prop up your opinion as an objective fact
I'm not going to write you an essay about why Dragon Age is not a good game, neither you, or it, are worth that kind of time, I'll just link this to you and ask you to tell me in earnest, which you of course won't do, because you're a disingenuous Black person, if this shit is not laughably embarrassing or not. You homosexuals have collectively purged your goldfish memory of this laughable excuse for a crpg, but I have not.
>if this shit is not laughably embarrassing or not.
It's just a promo trailer EA made to promote the game. That trailer doesn't reflect the game at all. And for you to imply it does is incredibly disingenuous.
Yeah dragon age origin would be a good start for zoomers, also kotor 1
>20+ year old games. If you listen to them you're gonna get filtered and hate the genre.
Lel frick off
Within the last decade I had to go a solid year on a fricking late 90s computer, no internet and nothing but old games to play, those 20+ year old crpgs still hold up
Planescape torment, Disco Elysium, BG3, divOS, Pathfinder: Kingmaker and WOTR
are all what i would recommend for first-timers
>Pathfinder: Kingmaker and WOTR
>first-timers
that's a great way to have someone hate the genre, and I say this as a pathfinder autist with over a thousand hours in the genre
WotR is pretty newbie friendly I think.
You think so? Why?
>You think so? Why?
The bloated stats, the tedious overworld travel, and the crusader / kingdom gimmicks.
Don't get me wrong, I love the games, but they're not very n00b friendly.
You really need to understand the pathfinder system and how to stack AC, Saves, Initiative, and how to grant yourself advantages in combat through optimal feats, spells, and buffs.
I distinctivly remember most of Ganker getting filtered when Kingmaker first came out, because they didn't know how to deal with 33+ AC high save Owlbears at level 4-5.
Then a shitton of people were filtered in WoTR right around Blackwater / Acts 3-4, for the same reasons.
Pathfinder IS easy once you understand the system even on the harder difficulties, but it's not going to be easy starting out unless he's playing on casual for some reason.
As I posted just now I used to harp on Owlcat bad but I've come to realize they're much smaller than Larian and given what they got they did a good job with Pathfinder, so it's kind of punching down if you compare this Larian insanity to Owlcat's shit.
Blackwater was borderline bugged at release. 40+ AC regenerating demons that could only be killed with Adamantite (which you probably don't have)
>that could only be killed with Adamantite
Ascendant Lightning + a Lightning Spell worked. Coup De Grace also worked. But I do agree that Blackwater was a dogshit encounter at launch, the enemy AC was way too high
>I distinctivly remember most of Ganker getting filtered when Kingmaker first came out
I remember the swarms being a noobtrap too, tbf
Maybe you're right, but I think a lot of crpgs are quite impenetrable for new players anyway
Swarms caught me by surprise again just recently, 2 flasks on every character with spare in the stash, tossing volleys at the first swarm for a whopping 1 damage, and there's another two further up. I just took it and carried on, was forced to use torches and died
Reloaded and turns out last time I just had the worst rolls of all time for minutes straight so none of the flasks hit properly
Owl bear? The little bugs in the first cave that are inmune to anything but explosive damage and fire filtered the 80 of the playerbase me included the first time I played it
Dragon Age II is probably the most newcomer friendly without being completely watered down. It's pretty mediocre but I feel a newcomer would have a good time without being overwhelmed.
>Dragon Age II is probably the most newcomer friendly without being completely watered down
Dragon Age 2 can't even be considered anything but putrid trash
BG1, it's laughable easy just make a warrior and autoattack
Two expansions one that covers levels 12-16 and another that covers 17-20
I miss comfy Larian threads. I'm happy for them but I hope they can continue making based crpgs and don't dumb it down for the mainstream in their next title.
There were never any comfy larian threads, unless you mean the ones where morons giggled about how they killed a boss with a explosive barrel
>don't dumb it down for the mainstream
BG3 is already dumbed down for the mainstream whether you want to admit it or not. I guess it being a game based on 5e plays a big role in that but still.
Microsoft (Blizzard) will buy them and it will become shit like the rest of the industry
I think Swen values Larian's independence too much to sell it off. There is a reason why the man holds like 60% of the shares of the company. Dude has majority say.
Black person he sold a third of the company to communists
I hope they can make at least 2 more games under Swen's leadership before he retires. He feels like the SOVL of the company kinda like Miyazaki and Gaben.
He already received an offer from Microsof before the realease of BG3 and rejected it. It'll make no sense for them to do it now after such a financial success
Because they were running out of money and had to do it. Now that's not a problem after BG3's success
I don't have a lot of rules but my top 5 includes "don't sell controlling shares of my company to Chinese communists"
Better than selling to Am*ricans. There would probably be multiple homosexual main characters in the game if they did.
Chinese communists are exceptionally accepting of the poz, especially if there's microtransactions involved
Would enjoy a Baldurs Gate I and II remake using their latest engine/assets while changing nothing of the game itself aside from maybe adding new optional Quests/Bosses. Same for Icewind Dale. Might also enjoy a 3rd installment of that. Maybe they can enter the Planescape franchise? I hope no more Divinity, though. As good as it was, I want more D&D stuff.
Dragon Commander 2, please
We know
>Swen said they know their next project
>OS3 will happen in the future, if this was the next project they wouldn't talk about it just yet
>BG3 expansion was not planned but maybe they will do it
I think at this point they pivot into another 5e adventure path to re-use all these spells and mechanics and armor etc. It would be a huge waste to not go for one more before Divinity OS stuff again. I also do not put it against Swen, now that they have a full cinematics team, to try a Divinity 3 and do a 3D actiony game.
Who cares, they will all essentially be the same game.
>play BG3
>the most insufferable, reddit-tier character is the shoehorned-in fanservice returning character from the earlier games
bg oldgays who acted like Larian's writing was too reddit for bg should be taken out into the streets and shot
Minsc is /ourguy/ newbie
This. So much this.
Just saying, he's CANONICALLY mentally moronic
They changed that in BG3, so in reality BG3 is reddit
>They changed that in BG3
??
I'm pretty sure he's fricking moronic in BG3
They changed minsc's base stats in BG3, in the original games he had 8 int which is mentally moronic, that's why he's stupid
Nice try Black person, Ganker only ever liked Edwin(a) and Korgan.
No one who actually played BG1&2 ever had Minsc in their party, he is pretty useless even for a ranger and his relentless shouting gets old real fast. He didn't become a thing until Reddit found about Boo in ME2.
True, his shouting is pretty bad
I executed him without remorse in my recently playthrough while also defending him in this thread
I was in sort of a roleplay situation where my character ignored my own meta knowledge and accepted him into the party. Once in the part I warmed to him, until I used his rage ability and he chased my cleric through the fields for a while. At that point my character decided he was to dangerous to be in the team. Out of character I executed him, but I'm starting to regret it because while he's annoying, his stats are decent enough to jsut send him into a room to facetank everything
I don't remember much about my first bg2 run but I'm pretty sure I immediately replaced him for Korgan and Sarevok when I could
>No one who actually played BG1&2 ever had Minsc in their party
I did, guy's a moronic nutjob who'll turn on you if you don't rescue his wizard quick enough, not the cuddly hamster man he's painted as
>guy's a moronic nutjob
Don't worry, WotC will make that not canon as well soon enough.
He's much better in the original games
outside of beign actually mentally moronic (probably not anymore since larian changed his stats) he becomes generic adventuring dudebro after a few hours and stops being so moronic
poor guy, I wonder what he thinks about everyone being able to talk to animals with sucha a common spell
You disrespect a lot of oldgays here on Ganker writing that shit, dude, take it back.
Minsc is based newbie
Minsc always was shit.
Minsc is older than you homosexual
he was shit in 1 and 2 tho. They should've given us someone based like Aerie or Korgan
>muh wings: electric boogaloo
How about no.
>muh moronic and his moronic hamster
also no
The best choices would've been Korgan or Anomen. Korgan gives you a male dwarf and a much needed evil aligned companion. Anomen (could go the mindbroken chaotic neutral route) would be great for a multiclassed Fighter/Cleric human male of ambiguous morality.
Edwin would also be a great choice, but I don't trust Larian with him. I feel like they'd butcher his character like they butchered Viconia
After seeing jaheira and a screenshot of sarevok I thought they would put Edwing somewhere, it would make more sense than Mincs or Viconia
Not doing a BG3 expansion is leaving a LOT of money on the table. I know Swen likes to do whatever the frick, but he's not an idiot.
Time spent in making a BG3 expansion is time that could be spent making whatever game they are making next. Sven already said that Larian is having problems working on more than 1 game at the same time.
Well, a BG3 expansion would also let them learn how to manage 2 projects at the same time, with way lower risk.
Up to them, in any case. There's zero pressure now, they can do whatever they want for the next decade probably.
Some big publisher is going to buy them, they're going to Tweet how "this changes nothing about our creation progress, don't worry about it" and slowly they get Biowaresized making each game more and more streamlined with OTS camera and real-time combat, less focus on RPG elements, eventually they'll make live service games. Fans will defend their every single action and move because making a couple good games will make for some loyal puppies, it will take a couple decades before people turn on them and a new studio gets put on a spotlight.
Swen isn't going to sell out. There is a reason between him and his wife that they own 70% of Larian because Swen wants to avoid a situation where the shareholders force a sale because of the company being at a high between DoS2 and BG3.
They're probably going to do bug fixes and patching for the next year which will all end with a big patch that turns it into BG3: Enhanced edition.
Swen won't sell out as long as he stays away from retirement.
Once he retires though, that studio is donezo.
>every companion: want gay sex
>the nightsong is a lesbian
>the emperor squid man tries to frick you
Why?
I'm not at the endgame yet but I'm assuming the last boss is going to ask me to frick first
Fricking the brains out
The only Divinity you homosexuals know is Original Sin which is just some turn based reboot from their ARPG series. Personally since no one truly gives 2 shits about Divinity lore, they should just kill it since Larian themselves did it with OS2 by driving a tanker sized plot hole in their own continuity.
Prolly some other IP or the next Baldur’s Gate. Divinity’s an embarrassment by now.
Worldbuilding and lore are probably Larian's weakest points. Nobody likes DoS2 for the overall plot, it was an absolute trainwreck past Act 2 other than a few highlights. It just had a fun battle system, interesting encounters and good characters.
Them having to work within some other established franchise with its own pre-written background is actually kind of perfect.
>Them having to work within some other established franchise with its own pre-written background is actually kind of perfect
As long as they don't get to touch existing characters anymore.
Drow gilfs..
Why does dialogue written by millennial women all sound like they're giving a speech about nothing
>it doesn't even look remotely like viconia
so moronic
yeah if that didn't say viconia I wouldn't know who that is
I started getting suspicions in the House of Grief and refused to believe it. I screamed when this caricature told us her name. Just what kind of vile person one has to be to shit so hard all over a fan-favorite character?
sorry larian can't hear you over their sacks of coins
Why are so many people pretending to care about these characters now?
>why so many people care about things I never heard of before this month, nobody in my middle school cares about this, I don't understand
That's what no gorions ward dick does
They really just need to get Avellone to be lead writer and it would fix most of their problems.
No thanks!
I'm sure there's a lot more problems with modern rpgs than one key player preventing them from being any good
? My point is that they really need to just get a new writing team. It's by far their weakest point in their last three games, and getting an actually good writer to head their next game would help to plug that hole.
the hokey nature of these games is their brand now
i doubt avellone will ever do anything in video games ever again after he got metoo'd while working on dyling light 2.
He won a 7 figure settlement from the accusers who also admitted to lying.
and? do you really think that means anything in the fricking clownworld we live in today?
This. It doesn't matter if he was cleared and is innocent. The damage is still done. That is why those acquisitions are such a pile of shit because even if false it still destroys someone's reputation.
Nobody cares. Once you're accused of something everyone assumes it's true. I was accused of raping my ex girlfriend without any evidence or her going the police and lost a bunch of friends. They all just assumed she was saying the truth and as a man I was a piece of shit and a liar when I denied it.
Huh, how do you rape your girlfriend? Even if I pin you down and frick you when you don’t want to then it’s not rape cause you’re my woman?
But did they ever made a good game?
no? I see.
Baldur's Gate 3 expansion pack that's as superior to BG3 as Shadows of Undrentide/Hordes of the Underdark were to NWN1 and Mask of the Betrayer was to NWN2
I'd like a scifi game from them. I'm sick and tired of fantasy.
Sci fi is boring tho. I don't want to explore drab industrial factories and shit
You're boring. Go back to licking windows, c**t.
Green > Grey, simple as. Sci Fi is a dead end unless it's space fantasy like Star Wars or Mass Effect
Here's a poll
https://strawpoll.com/Q0ZpR9RdGnM
Just reminding people that I put a poll up.
https://strawpoll.com/Q0ZpR9RdGnM
Imagine this game but the battles are fun enough that you don't skip 80% of them.
Also add more princesses to choose from and give them explicit sex scenes
Finishing a definitive edition of base BG3, while working out a deal behind the scenes with Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro if they can do a expansion or not.
With how profitable the game's been for both Larian and Wiz/Hasbro, they're likely gonna get hit up to at least make an expansion at some point or direct sequel. Now if the studio agrees? That's up in the air. But if they refuse? Well, Wiz will sweeten the deal with the Pinkertons just to nudge Sven in the right direction for all involved.
I really don't see how they can do an expansion, too many moving parts both technically and conceptually to really work.
I just got on to sell some shit I had in my camp box before me and my friend play tomorrow and all my saves are gone. I sure hope they're on the cloud
Some kind of procedurally generated dungeon system would be fun for this game. You have all these items and power by the time you're in Act 3 and there's just not that much left to do with it.
We need a high level campaign like Wrath of the Righteous.
Are there any tabletop DnD campaigns that go all the way to LV 20?
How many sales is 875k concurrent? That's like a million yeah?
Game sold 2.5mill during it's 2 years in Early Access. Some sites are already estimating a low ball of 5mill copies sold.
Larian is one of those weird devs that don't release sales figures
IIRC people use review numbers as a rough estimate for sales by using existing ratios. It's not exact since it's a wide range but it's something like 30-100 sales per-review. If you think that sounds reasonable then BG3 would have on the low end done >4.5M copies sold.
planescape remake
I think they will experience the Persona 5 problem. They have no incentive to do anything because BG3 is like 5 times more successful that even the WILDEST expectations. They will just make BG3 DLC, BG3 spinoff, BG1 remake but BG3 engine, BG2 remake but BG3 engine, BG3: The Sequel, BG4 etc.
What the frick is a Persona 5 problem? Atlus released SMTV years after Persona 5
Your point being, moron? Answer this, troony, what's the time period between P3 and P4 coming out? Now, what's the time period between P5 and P6 coming out? That's what I thought.
Atlus makes games other than Persona, I just named one for you
would be cool if they made a new dragon knight. I liked the 3rd person combat then turning into a dragon flying around burning shit
DLC for sure. Add Artificer and the rest of the subclasses that are missing as a start.
>Add Artificer
Shut the frick up.
it's not bg4, they will absolutely do dlc for bg3 because wotc are giga israelites and will want it.
divinity 3 will be the next game.
which is a shame because what they should do is go back to the fricking divinity tactics spinoff game they were making. less writing and more combat is a strict improvement because larians writing is their most dogshit aspect
>BG 3 was huge success money wise
you are not fricking getting it. you are why games suck. stop fricking talking about how much money something made, talk about what you liked, why its good, whats FUN
Games aren't fun
biz motherfricker, go there.
have you SEEN this fricking industry lately? It's 80% profit profit profit profit the marketers have taken over the fricking studios and publishers.
they will stick with BG3 for awhile i think, they already killed off Fallen Heroes so BG could live, and given it's success it would be silly to not make sure the game stands the test of time before moving on to other projects.
I feel like Larian's gonna avoid doing a direct sequel/expansion campaign, because of all the things they'd have to take into account. Your romance, which characters did you pick, fates of the companions. Even if by default the hero ending will always be canon, Sven seems like the kind of director who's too autistic to want to define what exactly the canon details are.
>I feel like Larian's gonna avoid doing a direct sequel/expansion campaign, because of all the things they'd have to take into account
c**t they included Sarevok completely detached from any way his storyline concluded
Larian doesn't care
Its been awhile since I played ToB but him being alive there also makes no sense. You literally murder him.
He isn't alive in ToB until you share your soul with him, before that there's just a fragment of him gypsy squatting on your pocket dimension
Dark Sun game
Dark Sun, Spelljammer, Planescape... cool settings. But Forgotten Realms is what we get every fricking time
brand make money
It's all still d&d
no it's not, wotc has practically deleted everything but the forgotten realms from canon
You're an actual moron, they're releasing planescape for 5e in October and they just released spelljammer just last year.
>"They deleted everything but forgotten realms from canon"
Why are they releasing official 5e resources? What are even on about?
So WotC is going to shit all over Planescape and Spelljammer as well now?
They're already wiped their ass with spelljammer. Now they're going to make planescape a game all about
>diversity
Just look at this shitty artwork.
What in the frick is this shit.
That original artwork is so tasteful and soulful. Here is another comparison with the same character who somehow looks more...anime like? I like anime but not in my fantasy RPGs.
Same artist btw
I know. This makes it even more annoying. Notice how she's covering up her breasts slightly with the piece of paper too. Just to try and be more woke.
I mean, Sigil IS actually a pretty diverse place being at the center of the planes and all, but I still think that image misses the point of Sigil. It's not some fantasy NYC, it's the city at the end of reality.
Just compare it to this PS:T trailer
>the first thing the TRAILER shows is the last location of the game
Power move if I've ever seen one.
That's barely a trailer, just pure imagination fuel
I'd rather Dark Sun stay dead than watch Larian bastardise it. Of all the settings to jam their self referential reddit humour into, that is hands down the worst fit
And they'd fricking try it anyway
to suck more black rock and chinese wieners, after maybe make a new porn game
china is aggressively dipping into all european devs' buttholes and I don't see anything good coming out of this in the future
Based. Trying to pump out mega games non stop kills studios. It's why FROM is doing Armored Core instead of Elden Ring 2.
I do hope they make a BG3 expansion though.
Kind offtopic but I discovered that it's impossible to lose as Astarion because you can just infinitely:
hide => sneak attack => hide => sneak attack
Fallout
BG3 expansion that adds the actual canon subclass for Durge among other things
>2 more years of BG3 support
>Grandpa Sven announces new gayme
>then 5-6 years of game development
>We'll hopefully be all dead because WW3 nukes
BG3 needs a hard mode. They've left the game balanced way too easy. I'm so flush with items, scrolls, pots, supplies, and gold that I can crush any encounter.
The last challenging fight I had was the big spider in Act I...
It has a hard mode. Tactician
Tactician becomes easy partway into act 2. Act 3? Its a pushover outside of 1 fight really. You have to hold yourself back
>tactician
>hard
Tactician is normal mode.
MMO checkem
>MMO checkem
Oh God no Larian is too horny for an MMO it'd be an ERP shitfest (and make Billions).
>Realistically, what is their next move?
Releasing BG3 on gamepass
how are themes in dos2 compared to bg3 anyway?
I guess WoTC should turn over the creation of their D&D virtual table top tool set to them, seeing as they might know what they are doing slightly better than Hasbro's idiot's seem to be doing.
It doesn't need a hardmode, it needs ironman mode because currently you can just F5 F8 ANY encounter so it's just ridiculous.
Hopefully more Divinity and hopefully no more DnD. Dice rolls are fun in table top because of the group aspect and you're all having a laugh so shit rolls are entertaining. Dice rolls in single player video games are fricking annoying.
What’s up with the online where people force you to RP or kick? I just want to clear a dungeon I don’t want to pretend to be an actual fricking wizard.
Unironically remake bg 1 and 2 in the new engine.
Dude imagine if they released a campaign editor!
FINISH DIVINITY FALLEN HEROES YOU wienerSUCKERS
It was canceled entirely, confirmed by Swen on Cohhs podcast
Oh I didn’t know that. Shit. Thanks for telling me
Probably repurposed for BG3. It's amazing how many DOS 1 and 2 bugs and quirks remain in it. Jesus.
What did you expect? D:OS is used as the skeleton, of course they wouldn't do BG3 from scratch.
>What did you expect?
At the very least to fix pathfinding and bugs that were already present in DOS 1 and 2, both regular and "enhanced" editions.
They would have to acknowledge that these problems exist first and you know they won't. People have been rightfully shitting on their inventory system and the camera ever since first D:OS game yet they still as garbage as ever.
Wtf is that path finding around traps anyway? I don’t remember it being THAT bad in both DOS.
>watch out there’s a trap
>BOOM BOOM AACK
Every god damn time
Not just trap pathfinding either
>barely finish a fight by juggling downed party members
>go to loot
>Failed save against restricting shadow root
>Succeeded save against burning
>Succeeded save against poison
>Succeeded save against poison
>game over :^)
Ive played for 50+ hours on tactician and i have never died after battle, what is this blatant lying.
If you haven't fought balthazar or the root Black folk dont even reply to me
>balthazar
What's so special about him? He just stands near his workbench at the Shar temple and once he bites it all his skeletons automatically die.
yeah if you stealth kill him or surround him with explosives, that doesn't happen if you actually fight him in the shadowfell
also there is literally nowhere safe to stand from the edge in the shadowfell so you get shoved by 5 skeletons every turn, you're also instantly surrounded the second the fight starts
also he has an aoe attack that leaves deathmist and will kill your entire party in 2 turns if they have full health
whoever designed the fight is a complete Black person
I just whacked him head on after meeting him so I guess I missed out on some grade-A cancer.
Nah you missed a good fun fight
Black person you use 1 turn undead and you win the fight
just give shadowfart gloves of dex and some initiative gear
yeah and half of the zombies save the turn, then balthasar uses his very fair and fun aoe spell which takes up half the platform
Obviously there are ways to win, because I won, but it's total aids
Just kill him in the temple before the showdown.
Or you can walk up to him with wizard oil on your Sussur greatsword and hit him with it once and render him harmless.
Black you are having difficulties with Balthazar? How it's that possible when at that point you should have like 4 high level light spells that can insta kill undeads and you can push then to the abysm Balthazar included
I don't think that guy was talking about you.
Having Gale die at early levels is especially fun for the whole party.
Does he explode?
He's surrounded by his stench which does frickhuge aoe damage and AI is braindead enough to walk straight through it.
One of the problems with the trap detection is that the distance from which you can spot them is incredibly short. So there's a good chance that even if you spot a trap you probably clicked past it and won't react in time.
Probably enhanced edition of bg3 seeing as it was frontloaded, unfinished and rushed just like DOS 2 was.
They already have the 5e engine so they could make could make bg4 with high level in mind, or they could make a new d&d game not set in forgotten realms. They could also try their luck with another tabletop ruleset. I wouldn't mind a turn based vampire the masquerade game or really any world of darnkness game
>RPG players had it so fricking bad for years to no end that they want Larian to do a game in every single possible system and setting
>>RPG players
Just lariatcucks.
>world of darkness
BG3 has enough gay vampires we don't need more
Next up is them getting their filthy homosexual paws on Shadowrun and filling it with penis in vegana writing.
Imagine if Larian's writers had written Glory.
>Constantly swears and jokes about wanting to frick someone bloody with her augs (this is funny because of her history of sexual abuse and prostitution, get it?)
>Doesn't need no man, she is strong and valid and can stand on her own two clawfeet (even though she was groomed from a young age and has seriously attachment/abandonment issues)
>Despite all this she's a pansexual romance option for the player and her story culminates in some amateurish animation softcore porn cuts
>If you don't romance her she'll instead very explicitly walk out of having just fricked Blitz and constantly joke about rubbing muffs with Eiger
Frick off doomer moron literally imagining things to get angry about.
>Larian turns baldur's gate into a glorified F95 front pager
>I'm a "doomer" for expecting more of the same except in a different IP in the future
Yeah, okay. How about you frick off and come back when you can talk like a human being instead of your ridiculous underage babble
>Larian turns baldur's gate into a glorified F95 front pager
you've never played the game
?? moron you literally imagine things, bg3 is one of the best games ive ever played. You are literally a schizo imagining scenarios that will never happen just so you can be angry and negative. You serve zero purpose by posting in a bg3/larian thread about your imaginary scenarios
>Realistically, what is their next move?
To bite off more than they can chew, obviously. They'll either spread themselves too thin or cave under the weight of expectations after what releasing what is shaping up to be the most well received cRPG ever made.
All I'm saying is that this situation is reminding me of CDPR in more ways than one.
Sven said they had no plans for bg3 dlc, their only current public plan was to update bg3. Sven also said he doesnt want to make another huge rpg so soon
Bear sex is the next move.
karmic dice, yes or no
if it works for the enemy too I say no
>Go on a hot streak
>Game hands you a cold streak because frick you
No
How could anyone look at that option and not think it sounds like the gayest shit imaginable?
>tinkering with RNG
I don’t trust this karmic dice shit. Random should mean random.
I have had turned it off for 7hours out of 27 and it feels better
Karmic dice as an alternative to rolls is shit.
Even regular static stat/skill checks would be better.
No
>VtM cRPG
>Shadowrun
>Planescape: Torment remake
Would any of these be a good idea?
I think they could do a good Shadowrun RPG. Something to breathe life back into the IP and top Dragonfall
>VtM cRPG
or just skip the middleman and go straight to having gay buttsex
Honestly, none would be a good idea because Larian focuses on the Origin c**ts at expense of everything else. You can give them any setting and it's still going to be all about their shitty OCs.
>Planescape: Torment remake
Jesus christ no
>"extensive character creator"
>can't change body hair colour
I'm mostly joking but it was a little annoying that I couldn't make my dude have light body hair when he's dark blonde.
Only thing to do is to get acquired by a big publisher, get milked and discarded.
Since everyone loves the waifu hunting in BG3, Larian will go back to their dating sim roots.
I think they said they're planning DOS3, which I look forward to, but I hope there's some kind of additional content for BG3 eventually, or a BG4 with a higher level campaign. I know BG3 took them like 6 years to make or something like that and they probably want to frick off from that for a while but it's hard to imagine this being the last entry in the series given its success.
in my first run wyll (apparently a party member) got double crit during the goblin fight, so it's possible to miss out because of RNG.
such is life in the DnD world. I just won that fight/saved him.
>new run
>realize you can trade with most people but only at the bottom left with the icon
What is this? Fallout?
there are npcs with trade dialogue options but apparently you can trade with almost anyone if you click the icon.
so there is prob a shitton of good items randomly in the world.
There's a game-breaking item hidden in one of hundreds of empty barrels. Good luck finding it.
The people who actually got the profits from it retire and close the studio while the devs go find a new job.
They've finally gone mainstream, so it's all downhill from here.
They've been downhill since DOS 2. Or DOS 1 enhanced edition.
>downhill since Divine Divinity
ftfy
Divinity 2 was good
Divinity 2 conceptually is good, Divinity 2 in practice is shit
Perfect example of this juxtaposition is telepathy, where you can spend exp to read NPC thoughts as a one off. Potentially this can unlock entertaining dialogue, quests, hints, all sorts, realistically it's 80% inane shite in a game with strictly limited exp so you're trading progression you'll never get back unless you savescum
>trading
*wasting
Not even gonna argue, it was probably aeons since I last played it so maybe I'd hate it now.
You are now remembering the grind of flying fortresses, manually.
they should a witcher-like, full on third person RPG, or a skyrim-like RPG
thats the only logical step IMO
>full on third person RPG
They did that, Divinity 2
Had some fun gimmicks but it wasn't good
Please no. There are plenty of devs out there making those types of games. Larian is the only big studio still making proper turnbased crpgs.
dice rolls may be random but the neat thing is literally no fight plays out the same way every time. whereas in a scripted fight, some abilities always hit, always happen in a set order, etc. this is great for replayability imo.
Experiment doing something non turn based game but still keeping the crpg. Maybe developed an actual arpg in a sci fi universe that Cyberpunk 2077 failed to do.
Just want them to make a single game where act 2 and 3 are not inferior to act 1 tbh
Act 2 is better in BG3
Stop lying
Nope. I genuinely enjoyed my time in the shadow cursed lands more than first areas
I am so demoralized bros, normies are going to slop up Starstein just like Baldur's Goy, when is the pendulum swing coming?
Jfc how low Ganker has fallen to praise this overpozzed woke trash. Enjoy your non binary identity and men with vulvas
You got so buck broken by this game lmao, open up for the big bear dick chuddie!
The game is so much different to Dungeons & Dragons, all the swearing and sex, people will be disappointed to find that D&D isn't that at all.
It's DnD brought to you by the people who've seen Critical Roll, hence the acclaim with normalgays
I don't give a frick about any of their future plans currently, all they need to do is release proper mod tools that gives you about the same amount of flexibility as the devs themselves had and then they can frick off for all I care.
They've already tried to back down before BG3s release by saying "barely anyone uses the SDK so we don't really want to spend time doing it" but the reason why barely anyone used it before is because DoS combat and non-combat interactions were just not well designed enough to support a large amount of varied encounters/interactions since almost all of it's depth was tied to the elemental interactions, classes themselves and hard-scripted events. Even if you dislike 5e, it's hard to ignore just how interactive Larians version of it is, we've even got shit like semi-proper physics calculations and ACTUAL environmental interactions now that aren't tied to scripted events or smoke/puddles, this would give modders the interactivity needed to create interesting scenarios around said systems without having to code almost everything from scratch themselves which is why Skyrim is such a popular mod game for example. DoS vs BG3 is like comparing Gnomoria and Dwarf fortress in terms of scope/systems
That's a shame because I think Larian has the most fun turn based system out there and having a great modding scene would be awesome.
But I think something like Skyrim was built from the ground up to be mod friendly, and this maybe isn't. Shame, because big modding could keep this game going for a decade easy while they build sequels and shit.
I don't think modders could do NWN style mods in BG3. They'd have to create new models and voice acting and it's probably way harder to create combat encounters in a turn based game.
You won't have total conversions or new campaigns like A Dance With Rogues done by a dedicated autist like in NWN.
Someone's going to figure out a modding kit that uses AI to generate textures and models and shit one of these days then you're gonna see some crazy shit.
Turn based would probably be easier to create combat interactions for since you can get away with more scripted sequences without it being immediately obvious while also giving you much more control over the flow of combat and the AI system(s) is already doing almost all of the heavy lifting on its own already as explained by one of the Larian devs at their last panel from hell, all the devs needed to do is place down what they wanted in the map, flag certain routes, objects or actions as more or less desirable and voila, you got a new basic encounter, no harder to create than plonking some combine down in the Source SDKs and letting the tool generate nav meshes while you place specific flags for the AI to interact with around the maps
>I don't think modders could do NWN style mods in BG3
The main difference is that NWN mods could easily be made just by a single guy, or a pair with another one handling the story part of the mod. Not to mention that it didn't have high system requirements and could be played/modded by bigger number of people. Neither can be said about BG3.
That's just it, with the help of AI tools that are on the cusp of becoming freely available for a general audience and the fact that Larian has already done almost all the heavy lifting when it comes to asset creation (seriously, almost everything from the basic 5e DM and player handbooks are in the game fully made as models, textures and animations) it would be piss easy for a single guy to just throw together basic battle scenarios by reusing everything in the game and then using AI voice cloning to fill the gaps with generic voices or even voices based off of the characters already in the game
We're very close to something like this happening, it's going to change everything.
lol. just lol
text to speech was never a barrier to creating rpg scenarios
No he's talking about AI generated story and dialogue, scenaiors, etc, having a one on one conversation with characters like Shadowheart using your voice, full on AI future shit.
I know what hes talking about. We're nowhere near that. The best we can do with it is text to speech and generic / shit filler. having a coherent game story, choices, good characters and scenarios is something we're not even close to. Even if the structure of the game was handmade the' Ai' will hallucinate and frick up the rest
I already do that with a Shadowheart chatbot
Holy frick, you both missed the point by an extreme margin, how the frick did you read "voice cloning" and think "self aware AI"?
The poster I was replying to used it as an argument. We are also just ignoring "quality" here since doing quality shit not matter what is always hard, we are just speculating about how hard it is to push basic b***h stuff out the door, which is in itself extremely easy if all the building blocks are already made for you. If asset creation is already made for you, the engine is already complete, basic scripting/AI is almost automatic and the games design is already versatile enough to be built upon or have aspects radically changed without consequence then the only barrier for entry left is coming up with and idea and then having enough commitment to see it through, experience will come on it's own since literally everything else is taken care of for you. It's why Skyrim/Bethesda games are such popular modding platforms and why Counter Strike/Half Life (series) used to be popular modding platforms
Imagine having a real conversation with like Shadowheart, they already got an AI in Skyrim that you can talk to using your microphone, that'd be insane.
new playthrough and i've already found like 5 new things and i'm just at the grove. literally tons of shit everywhere. I can't really name another game with this much detail/worldbuilding in recent memory.
If you replay this and do different things you realize how fricking insanely huge this game is.
From a production standpoint this game is absurdly impractical.
Why spend money and time in something most players probably will never encounter when you can make seasons passes and lootboxes?
It's better to have a linear path and get consumer psychologists to see how high you can get MAUs and maximise post-sale revenue.
Excellent satire of the shill talking point checklist
see that's exactly it, BG3 has restored my faith in gaming in general, the last time I played a game that had nearly as much depth was Witcher 3.
It deserves to win every award because other devs should be taking note and making full, complete games like this, and not gacha/lootbox shit. Sure it's less effort, but this is a game that people will remember for a good reason.
>effort
Dude the production effort behind this game is autistically insane, I genuinely worry for Swen's mental wellbeing.
Are Act 2 and 3 as long as Act1? I was honestly amazed at how long it took me to finish Act1.
>Are Act 2 and 3 as long as Act1? I was honestly amazed at how long it took me to finish Act1.
Yeah no you're in for a long fricking game, dude, trust me, take your time, explore and shit, wait for patches because Act 3 is very buggy still.
Act 2 is sameish as act 1, act 3 is as big as both if you do all quests. The city is packed with content, I honestly burned myself out there.
Yeah, I actually thought replayability would be poor after finishing first time. On my second run in act 2 and I found so much more shit I missed before. Just cuz you remove fog of war on your map it don’t mean you found everything.
also I know how to fight now and I realize "oh, that +1 on that greatsword is a big upgrade" now that I understand how combat works. plus each character has their own large story so i'll be using different members instead of astarion for example (used first run, wanted a rogue to lockpick stuff)
kotor 3
BG4 or BG 1 and 2 remakes
i still haven't even fricking finished original sin 2, im 80 hours in
Can't believe how underwhelming levelling up is. Or maybe that's just a rogue thing.
welcome to neo post critical role DnD, progression for lobotomized consumer drones
God damn, I remember how I actually PLANNED my character in NWN2, now I just click level up and press 'accept'.
That's just 5e in general. If you don't have spells you don't really get to pick anything or do anything super exciting while levelling.
It's just 5e. Pathfinder is way more satisfying with the feats and attributes plus class features on leveling.
Nah, pathfinder feels like I’m back in school and I gotta read textbook manuals. Bg3 is simpler and pretty intuitive once you figure out the basics. Multiclassing can be complex.
Rogue is for multiclassing, going pure rogue is moronic. The bonus action thief gets is really good with fighter or monk.
>just a rogue thing
I dont think ranger actually get *anything* after level 5
Bro, your divine casting?
maybe their future plans should involve completing act 2 onwards for every single one of their games. or just release smaller games
A proper sequel to Divine Divinity
>one chance to lure this fat c**t out his shop and rob him blind
I hope the same thing doesn't happen to Larian that happened to CDPR where they implode from success.
I think a Pathfinder 2e game would be the perfect cross between Pathfinder's progression and customization and 5e's simplicity and ease of use.
Too bad we probably won't get one for quite awhile if at all.
Agreed. The 3 action system is far more elegant and free than the action, bonus action, move action system.
Plus it has Swashbuckler.
>using your shield is a basic action
>you have to waste a turn to get your shield's bonus to AC
once again, another system where sword and board is weak
shields are not weak in PF2e, t here's a feat called shield block that lets you use it as a reaction that Champion and Fighter, the sword and board classes, get for free, since there's no such thing as shield proficiency.
Man, I hope they take the verticality of this game into account when they make the 3rd Pathfinder game. Underdark was so crazy with all the chasms, twisting paths and the almost mazelike quality at times.
Hopefully BG3's success helps get Owlcat more funding for a 3rd PF game.
>everyone's saying they'll do a Cyberpunk
These guys aren't nearly as messy as CDPR. They both made a really good medieval RPG that respected the consumer, but they are not the same company because they made a similar product. And it isn't even that similar because Witcher 3 was a huge mess with boatloads of bugs when it launched and a very different kind of RPG.
Of course everybody knows about the Cyberpunk flooper, it is an infamous frickup now and a good cautionary tale for other devs.
They’ll just make more turn based CRPGs, Sven is very grounded and knows that if they go outside of what they know they’ll make trash. They’ve been making the same game for the past 20 years and it finally worked.
next game will be more of the same but it will get absurd amounts of negative hype and the mob will do a complete 180° turn and retcon everything saying that even bg3 was a piece of shit all along, basically the cdprojektred villain arc all over again
zoomers only crave for drama dopamine
Most people playing this game are probably over 30 bro
invest some of the dough they're making off of BG3 into some competent writers.
I've been enjoying their games since Beyond Divinity but they can't write a good character even if their life depends on it. BG3 expansion seems inevitable, even though it'd be terrible gameplay wise (high level DnD is a bore), but after that I hope they strike gold and try something new. A new setting, new franchise, new writer god willing. I'm cautiously hopeful.
Honestly should just make a new vegas type standalone game. Maybe add a new race or class. Should also be pretty fast to make cause they can reuse loads of stuff. I honestly don’t know why more studios don’t do this.
Baldur's Gate 3: Definitive Edition
By the way, Swen said he's uncomfortable with how big Larian became with Baldur's Gate 3, so maybe they'll resize and make smaller games for a while.
they should. They struggle to make good games that extend beyond their public betas of ACT 1. They should just make smaller games that conclude within 40 hours.
Yeah and also get good writers, it’s always the hacks that get jobs in video games. I don’t know how it always happens.
Its obvious
in a larian fashion, they'll jump onto new genre and make a dragon racing game in divinity settings, or a shooter (in divinity setting)
they already almost jumped the crpg ship for pure tactical sim, but bg3 is one-in-lifetime chance so they took it. They'll spend few years cooking Definitive Edition for bg3 and then i guarantee they'll venture into some new mechanics.
Expansions until One DnD releases
Then BG4 with the new ruleset
I wouldn't mind if they made bg1+bg2 remake. they'll probably work on another divinity crpg but the dream scenario for me would be if they tried making something more ambitious like witcher 3, action rpg but with much more complex role playing system.
Skyrim clone where you can frick a whole zoo.
It's actually very complicated right now.
In an interview one week before BG3, Swen basically said
>we put a lot of time and effort into BG3
>but BG3 was nearly too big for us
>we now drow Baldur's Gate forever and do our new thing, which we are already deep into development
Now, this was when Swen thought that 100k concurrent players is BG3's peak
Now everything changed and most likely Larian will now make a new insanely huge expansion for Baldur's Gate 3.
The reason is simple. There are now so many people who are working to fix bug, that at this point Larian can just develop a huge expansion with all those bug fixes.
BG3 was a hit beyond anything Larian could imagine and right now it makes zero sense to move on, especially with so many people remarking Act 3 is extremely buggy. Larian is already fixing insane amounts of bugs every day (just look at Blizzard... they need 6 months for a simple digit change in elemental resist calculation...)
BG3 is now their big thing and has over 8 times the amount of PAYING customers they expected. BG3 is also now most likely goty. One huge expansion is a 100 % given.
I wouldn't be so sure with BG4, though. Until the reviews for the expansion are out, Larian will most likely be very cautious, because just look at Gollum and how a fantasy IP can go into the literal shitter if you do it wrong.
It be a great chance for them to developed small but experimental video games to see what gameplay or stories they want to try out. Maybe a Fallout New Vegas arpg, an actual cyberpunk 2077 rpg, or something that's outside their comfort zone. Too many devs especially big AAA don't bother experimenting even with their huge amount of money at their disposal.