Honestly, yes. I still remember going at meetups of a WoD inspired forum I used to be a part of, back in the day. We had absolutely based nerds of all kinds, some creepy dudes wanting their dicks wet, goth chicks of all kinds all around, and even one kinky gay furry dude who came with his collar and wolf ears once. Those were fun times, when people weren't losing their shit on stupid culture war bullshit. I want those days back.
>when people weren't losing their shit on stupid culture war bullshit. I want those days back
One side of the culture war also wants those days back but you can't acknowledge that without betraying your true intentions
>Creepy nerds >goth chicks >furries >We had
You know all of these things are still happening, right? I was a vendor at two outdoors summer events this weekend and these people were all over the place. First one had TONS of goth chicks drunk and high off their asses and the second had a roving band of full fur suiters (2 guys 2 girls) prowling around the entire day, and plenty of folks with just ears collars and tails. Both events also had creepy virgins looking for pussy.
No one talked about culture wars, it was just people living in the moment. Go outside for once and you'll realize everything you're nostalgic about is still around.
It was a market that took place at a brewery, went from 4pm to midnight so all the goths had their parasols out to at the beginning shade their pasty ass skin from the sun. Weed is also legal in my state so there were some vendors selling weed laced foods and bongs. by 10:00pm everyone was pretty much wasted.
The number of these people have LOWERED, not disappeared. And obviously there is going to be more in events for weirdos, idiot. The problem here is that goth and other subcultures have lost the power of creation with relevant cultural works. Surprise, there can be a healthy subculture without a culture.
It borrowed heavily off the cultural zeitgeist of the mid 80's early 90's but it was never relevant to influencing it in any way.
Sure, it was relatable to the time but only as a mirror
>former WoD global LARP Brujah Prince of Sydney, Australia reporting in
51 years of age now with fond memories of my ~18 months of being king of the goth nerds. What’s your point?
Don't pretend a big ass Goth princess couldn't frick you like a freight train, anon. Everyone, regardless of political affiliation, likes them some Tig ol Bitties.
I wish the Tremere had made the jump to nWoD and that there weren’t any open disciplines(celerity, resilience, vigor, obfuscate) because aside from making the clans feel less unique it makes it, combined with the reduced xp costs for disciplines, a game of everyone rushes to scoop up all the celerity/resilience they can because when fights happen you get fricked if you can’t keep up.
This is just my theory but I feel like if Requiem had been more of a soft reboot that kept all the clans fans loved, but in a much more metaplot-lite setting, then we wouldn't have had so many schisms the and fanbase wouldn't spread between three different games.
You could keep the Camarilla and Sabbat while adding further mechanical depth by having Covenants as sort of political parties and cults within larger sects. You could have then also added all the other good shit in Requiem like lost clans, "lesser" vampires (ie Jiang-Shi, Aswang, and Ghuls), and maybe even find a good compromise between blood potency and generation. Maybe I'm coping, but I always get the impression it wasn't the metaplot most of the fans were missing, it was a sense that they A: couldn't continue their old games and characters, and B: couldn't play their favorite clan.
I’ve theorized that a way to represent generation would be to, in the Requiem fashion, instead of giving flat immunity, the elders gets +2 on their discipline rolls for every point of difference between them. So if a tenth generation Ventrue tries to dominate an eighth generation Ventrue, the elder gets +4 to resist the roll. Conversely, that eighth generation would receive +4 on their roll to counter dominate the younger. That would allow generation to be relevant mechanically without completely shutting down the vampires of higher generation.
they did come over as evil mages who eat souls.
Okay but that isn’t vampire, it’s mage, which is still a stupidly dense mess of half baked ideas thrown around that makes the assumption that you already know everything about it when you read the book.
No need to spoiler such a good take, anon. The only people arguing that oWoD is better than Chronicles are metaplotgays. It's not even difficult to inject their mid microfiction into chronicles; the games come with translation guides.
There are several other legitimate reasons to prefer OWOD over NWOD. The cosmopolitan flavour, the more defined setting (and thus, less of the lazy "it's a toolkit" bullshit - translation, we at Onyx Path are lazy c**ts, you do the work for us), and of course the nobility of tradition over novelty for novelty's sake.
That said, Promethean the Created was pretty cool.
>the more defined setting
You mean, the settings that literally made it impossible for each gameline to coexist with the others? Vampire's explicitly Judeo-Christian cosmology butting heads with the animism-by-way-of-Trimurti Werewolf, which is also in a three-way fight with Mage's consensual reality paradigms, and all the while whatever the frick Changeling and Wraith are doing their own crazy shit?
Seriously, you've clearly never actually read any of the oWOD lore.
It's almost like each line describes the setting through its own viewpoint, emphasizing different parts and skewing others. Just take a look at how the races of other systems are present in each.
No, the cosmology, the fundamental and basic facts of the reality each gameline inhabits are different. >i-it's just differences in viewpoints
leave that kind of delusion to the bible apologists
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this is why setting books are so shit nowadays. Back then the books were made with the idea of being played in mind, these days they're just encyclopedias o the setting for morons like these that think RPG settings should have everything defined to the smallest detail instead of being inspiration for gms.
Some of them are pretty cool. I think the thing I enjoy most about the Vigil is Slashers and how Hunters can slide and degenerate into them. I just really like the idea of playing a Hunter who's seen so much shit and killed so many monsters they're like a step away from being a Jason or Michael themselves.
Honest to god the oWOD setting is stgill fricking fantastic and theres no reason it cant be run nowdays. Theres some shit that will always be cool and at best it needs a few tweaks around evolving tech to keep it fuctional
I missed out on when goth was cool and edgy, or maybe it always cringe.
So by proxy I missed when WOD was subculturally significant and my chances of getting a goth in bed with me are close to zero on account that goths don't really exist anymore.
I think it all guttered out before 2011. I was too young to enjoy it. >t. 1999
That was the key, sure its silly, cringe and fun. But you did have to pick yourself up off the chair and walk over to the table full of cringe goths with black cowboy hats, big steel cap boots and tell them they look like a bunch of fricking weirdos
We'd tell you, yes that's nice now get fricked
If you keep being obnoxious we'd stomp your sorry arsehole into a muddy swamp of broken dreams and bad life choices
That doesn't happen on the internet so people can say all the mad shit they want and not get physically wrecked which also went hand in hand that if you're a weirdo, at some point you learn to fight really fricking well or die trying. Goth and Punk is dead, it was fun, long may it rot
1. I'm fine with things not being as popular as they used to. Its half growing up, half knowing that anything that gets too popular these days gets turned into Fortnite-style content slop where there's no original trace of what it once was, just crossovers and rip-offs.
2. hell yeah Swans is a kickass band
>anything that gets too popular these days gets turned into Fortnite-style content slop where there's no original trace of what it once was, just crossovers and rip-offs
It hurts, bro.
That was when the devs writing it were on the side of counter culture, but now their way of thinking is mainstream, and the things they oppose are the new counter culture.
>a political movement that won the Presidency in 2016 is the REAL counter culture >servile dominion to the billionaire class is the REAL punk rock these days
...frick. Your post was so stupid I think I just had a stroke.
I bought the original gamebooks when they were softbacks and am 48 now. I don't ever remember them being subculturally relevant because gaming was a seperate identity from your subculture identity. I knew punks and goths who gamed, but we didn't talk about it when we were hanging out at shows or clubs because RPGs and fantasy and scifi was a thing for dorks unless it was very specifically gothic fiction or poetry.
No, because I'm a zoomer and that fricking sucks. Now everything is the fricking same, every morons thinks the same way and all the really edgy dudes who wanted to be anarch fricks are long gone. "Goths" disappeared to give away to grifters. I wish I had some goth friends or something because everything now is shit and people think sucking political wiener is going to save them.
First Friday of June is "night of the churches" event ( www.nockostelu.cz ) where chruches are open for general public. I happen to have one two streets from home so might as well, organizers went light on theology and talked mostly about history and architecture, so it was alright. Also bell tower visit (which is normally inaccessible). Also goth girls. 7/10.
No idea if this is specifically Czech thing or other countries do it too.
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Not churches, but in Poland we have a similar "night of museums" every year in May. Sounds very much like the same thing, would probably go to the churches thing too if I were there at the time.
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>goth girls >only 7/10
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As someone who was around and of the correct age back in the day I am mostly surprised that they are 7/10s because goth chicks were either the rare few 9 or 10/10s or the very common 1-3/10 hambeasts with pretty much nothing in between.
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>where chruches are open for general public.
Isn't that just normal? Legit question
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Yes, but not whole area of the church and not at all hours.
Entrance hall (narthex) is usually open 24/7, main hall of the church (nave) often closes for the night if there is no night service, and "private" parts of the church (bell tower, behind the altar, cellars) are normally not accessible for general public at all.
Wished I was there. I played Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines a while back and that was my introduction to the setting. I adore it and it's newer counterpart and I'm sad that I could have never been in it's peak age. Stuff like DnD is popular now so maybe the two Worlds of Darkness would make a resurgence. I'm heading a CofC game (Partly because of how modular and open ended it is) so maybe I can recapture some of the former glory for you older guys.
All subcultures without strong gatekeeping end up turning into lifestyle brands.
Link is a good read meaningness dot com slash geeks-mops-sociopaths
While WoD is cool it is kinda shallow also, all the schizo metaplot of kindred controlling everything in the shadows just fades when you're playing the game, the insistence of making a shared universe with all the games also makes it a contradictory clusterfrick.
WoD had everything stacked against it and now with millennial writing its just over.
>https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths >Serious subcultures are usually eternalistic: the New Thing is a source of meaning that gives everything in life purpose. Eternalistic naïveté makes subcultures much easier to exploit.
Honestly, that's a pretty good way of putting it. People tend to trick themselves into thinking everyone has the same love of the stuff they do or can be converted to it, and it makes geeks predictable to manipulate by showing some superficiality.
He was trying to get around the block that sometimes happens if you post a link to a site and the system thinks you're "automated". I've had it happen to me on occasion.
Alternatively, I was asking anon to go on without needing to defend the point because I am interested. If you attempt to be interesting maybe someone will listen to you
NTA but a big part of counter-culture appeal is correcting the flaws of the past.
The issue with WoD is that is didn't understand the tide. If in the metaplot the various uprisings against the old ways had succeeded, but then chaos erupted as the traditions fell apart, while the real old buttholes just closed the hatches and maintained control through another rough patch, and the perspective implied a new wave of young generation trying to clean up the chaos of the previous gens uprising and shove new updated traditions on everything it would be better.
The writers are people who did what they had to do to force in their opinion neccesary change, and don't understand that half of the younger people after the fact don't agree with their choice.
Nobody likes an butthole who can't or won't aknowledge the consequences of their choices and the impact on others.
No matter the isle you ride, there is a bit difference between >I had to do this, sorry you don't agree and it sucks for you
and >I did this and you are a idiot/dick for not being grateful I did it, we cannot stop doing this until I say otherwise
The attitudes came out in the writing, in the lack of effort in the system, in all of it. Simple as.
>They got old and set in their ways, kinda ironic
Funny thing is: You could see there were always like that by their writting. Justin Achilli is a good example on that, but it came out more noticeable the older he got.
WoD was the worst parts of the 90s condensed into one setting and now it's the worst part of [CURRENT YEAR] condensed into one setting. Nothing's changed.
Neither, that's the evil genius of the system. There's actually a lot the anti-establishment left and right actually agree on. Both want to get rid of massive corporations, corrupt geriatrics in washington, a shitload of nonsense laws, and cut the bureaucracy down to size. The issue is they disagree on so many other social issues (as well as how to actually solve this problem) that both fight each other more than "the man", and they're so polarized compromise is out of the question.
>Subculturally significant
That's a funny joke anon.
...You are joking, right? You don't seriously think people cared about this garbage excuse to do twilight larping?
Honestly, yes. I still remember going at meetups of a WoD inspired forum I used to be a part of, back in the day. We had absolutely based nerds of all kinds, some creepy dudes wanting their dicks wet, goth chicks of all kinds all around, and even one kinky gay furry dude who came with his collar and wolf ears once. Those were fun times, when people weren't losing their shit on stupid culture war bullshit. I want those days back.
>when people weren't losing their shit on stupid culture war bullshit. I want those days back
One side of the culture war also wants those days back but you can't acknowledge that without betraying your true intentions
Frick off and recruit somewhere else.
100% factually true
>Creepy nerds
>goth chicks
>furries
>We had
You know all of these things are still happening, right? I was a vendor at two outdoors summer events this weekend and these people were all over the place. First one had TONS of goth chicks drunk and high off their asses and the second had a roving band of full fur suiters (2 guys 2 girls) prowling around the entire day, and plenty of folks with just ears collars and tails. Both events also had creepy virgins looking for pussy.
No one talked about culture wars, it was just people living in the moment. Go outside for once and you'll realize everything you're nostalgic about is still around.
Tell me more about the first event.
T. Creepy Virgin
It was a market that took place at a brewery, went from 4pm to midnight so all the goths had their parasols out to at the beginning shade their pasty ass skin from the sun. Weed is also legal in my state so there were some vendors selling weed laced foods and bongs. by 10:00pm everyone was pretty much wasted.
The number of these people have LOWERED, not disappeared. And obviously there is going to be more in events for weirdos, idiot. The problem here is that goth and other subcultures have lost the power of creation with relevant cultural works. Surprise, there can be a healthy subculture without a culture.
>can
Can not*
Dude, the 90s are over. If you where 18-21 when it launched you would be roughly 50 by now.
It borrowed heavily off the cultural zeitgeist of the mid 80's early 90's but it was never relevant to influencing it in any way.
Sure, it was relatable to the time but only as a mirror
Yeah, that too
>gets mopey
>former WoD global LARP Brujah Prince of Sydney, Australia reporting in
51 years of age now with fond memories of my ~18 months of being king of the goth nerds. What’s your point?
>you would be roughly 50 by now.
And? Get the frick off my lawn kid!
>If you where 18-21
lol if you weren't playing vampire in highschool
Yes I remember the mid goth girls of my youth.
No such thing as a mid goth girl, just fatasses and sex goddesses.
Don't pretend a big ass Goth princess couldn't frick you like a freight train, anon. Everyone, regardless of political affiliation, likes them some Tig ol Bitties.
It depends on the T/A ratio
Those are not mutually exclusive
I wouldn't be surprised if most /tg/ posters were born after WoD lost cultural significance.
Actually no, I am a filthy zoomer bloodlines secondary. I hate WoD5 with a passion though.
honestly I feel like nWoD was unfairly maligned. It does some things much better. Also some things worse.
I prefer Requiem's factions over oWoD's Goth X-Men vs Emo BOEM.
I wish the Tremere had made the jump to nWoD and that there weren’t any open disciplines(celerity, resilience, vigor, obfuscate) because aside from making the clans feel less unique it makes it, combined with the reduced xp costs for disciplines, a game of everyone rushes to scoop up all the celerity/resilience they can because when fights happen you get fricked if you can’t keep up.
This is just my theory but I feel like if Requiem had been more of a soft reboot that kept all the clans fans loved, but in a much more metaplot-lite setting, then we wouldn't have had so many schisms the and fanbase wouldn't spread between three different games.
You could keep the Camarilla and Sabbat while adding further mechanical depth by having Covenants as sort of political parties and cults within larger sects. You could have then also added all the other good shit in Requiem like lost clans, "lesser" vampires (ie Jiang-Shi, Aswang, and Ghuls), and maybe even find a good compromise between blood potency and generation. Maybe I'm coping, but I always get the impression it wasn't the metaplot most of the fans were missing, it was a sense that they A: couldn't continue their old games and characters, and B: couldn't play their favorite clan.
I’ve theorized that a way to represent generation would be to, in the Requiem fashion, instead of giving flat immunity, the elders gets +2 on their discipline rolls for every point of difference between them. So if a tenth generation Ventrue tries to dominate an eighth generation Ventrue, the elder gets +4 to resist the roll. Conversely, that eighth generation would receive +4 on their roll to counter dominate the younger. That would allow generation to be relevant mechanically without completely shutting down the vampires of higher generation.
Okay but that isn’t vampire, it’s mage, which is still a stupidly dense mess of half baked ideas thrown around that makes the assumption that you already know everything about it when you read the book.
I think the more unfair and nasty deal you got in oWoD fits better the themes of the game.
they did come over as evil mages who eat souls.
No need to spoiler such a good take, anon. The only people arguing that oWoD is better than Chronicles are metaplotgays. It's not even difficult to inject their mid microfiction into chronicles; the games come with translation guides.
There are several other legitimate reasons to prefer OWOD over NWOD. The cosmopolitan flavour, the more defined setting (and thus, less of the lazy "it's a toolkit" bullshit - translation, we at Onyx Path are lazy c**ts, you do the work for us), and of course the nobility of tradition over novelty for novelty's sake.
That said, Promethean the Created was pretty cool.
2e had a reference to Mega Man, and I will worship whoever put that in there (unless it was the rape guy)
>the more defined setting
You mean, the settings that literally made it impossible for each gameline to coexist with the others? Vampire's explicitly Judeo-Christian cosmology butting heads with the animism-by-way-of-Trimurti Werewolf, which is also in a three-way fight with Mage's consensual reality paradigms, and all the while whatever the frick Changeling and Wraith are doing their own crazy shit?
Seriously, you've clearly never actually read any of the oWOD lore.
It's almost like each line describes the setting through its own viewpoint, emphasizing different parts and skewing others. Just take a look at how the races of other systems are present in each.
No, the cosmology, the fundamental and basic facts of the reality each gameline inhabits are different.
>i-it's just differences in viewpoints
leave that kind of delusion to the bible apologists
this is why setting books are so shit nowadays. Back then the books were made with the idea of being played in mind, these days they're just encyclopedias o the setting for morons like these that think RPG settings should have everything defined to the smallest detail instead of being inspiration for gms.
I'm not super familiar with NWOD, but hunter conspiracies are fricking awesome.
Some of them are pretty cool. I think the thing I enjoy most about the Vigil is Slashers and how Hunters can slide and degenerate into them. I just really like the idea of playing a Hunter who's seen so much shit and killed so many monsters they're like a step away from being a Jason or Michael themselves.
Honest to god the oWOD setting is stgill fricking fantastic and theres no reason it cant be run nowdays. Theres some shit that will always be cool and at best it needs a few tweaks around evolving tech to keep it fuctional
I missed out on when goth was cool and edgy, or maybe it always cringe.
So by proxy I missed when WOD was subculturally significant and my chances of getting a goth in bed with me are close to zero on account that goths don't really exist anymore.
I think it all guttered out before 2011. I was too young to enjoy it.
>t. 1999
>or maybe it always cringe
Correct, but nobody cared.
That was the key, sure its silly, cringe and fun. But you did have to pick yourself up off the chair and walk over to the table full of cringe goths with black cowboy hats, big steel cap boots and tell them they look like a bunch of fricking weirdos
We'd tell you, yes that's nice now get fricked
If you keep being obnoxious we'd stomp your sorry arsehole into a muddy swamp of broken dreams and bad life choices
That doesn't happen on the internet so people can say all the mad shit they want and not get physically wrecked which also went hand in hand that if you're a weirdo, at some point you learn to fight really fricking well or die trying. Goth and Punk is dead, it was fun, long may it rot
>Goth and Punk is dead, it was fun, long may it rot
That's how I feel about it. A shame that it is gone.
> Remember when (NOT DnD) was subculturally significant?
1. I'm fine with things not being as popular as they used to. Its half growing up, half knowing that anything that gets too popular these days gets turned into Fortnite-style content slop where there's no original trace of what it once was, just crossovers and rip-offs.
2. hell yeah Swans is a kickass band
>anything that gets too popular these days gets turned into Fortnite-style content slop where there's no original trace of what it once was, just crossovers and rip-offs
It hurts, bro.
That was when the devs writing it were on the side of counter culture, but now their way of thinking is mainstream, and the things they oppose are the new counter culture.
>a political movement that won the Presidency in 2016 is the REAL counter culture
>servile dominion to the billionaire class is the REAL punk rock these days
...frick. Your post was so stupid I think I just had a stroke.
Words can barely express how big of a homosexual you are.
yeah bro the corporations agree that their ownership should be turned over from the board to a democracy of the workers.
You already lost yesterday and you lost so hard you cried to the jannies to clean up the evidence.
Hey now, I never said anything about politics anon.
I bought the original gamebooks when they were softbacks and am 48 now. I don't ever remember them being subculturally relevant because gaming was a seperate identity from your subculture identity. I knew punks and goths who gamed, but we didn't talk about it when we were hanging out at shows or clubs because RPGs and fantasy and scifi was a thing for dorks unless it was very specifically gothic fiction or poetry.
No
No, because I'm a zoomer and that fricking sucks. Now everything is the fricking same, every morons thinks the same way and all the really edgy dudes who wanted to be anarch fricks are long gone. "Goths" disappeared to give away to grifters. I wish I had some goth friends or something because everything now is shit and people think sucking political wiener is going to save them.
>implying it's no longer big with goths and metalheads
The former no longer exists and the latter got castrated.
I saw goth teenagers in Prague two years back.
I saw goth girls in Prague yesterday, in church no less.
What the frick were you doing in church?
First Friday of June is "night of the churches" event ( www.nockostelu.cz ) where chruches are open for general public. I happen to have one two streets from home so might as well, organizers went light on theology and talked mostly about history and architecture, so it was alright. Also bell tower visit (which is normally inaccessible). Also goth girls. 7/10.
No idea if this is specifically Czech thing or other countries do it too.
Not churches, but in Poland we have a similar "night of museums" every year in May. Sounds very much like the same thing, would probably go to the churches thing too if I were there at the time.
>goth girls
>only 7/10
As someone who was around and of the correct age back in the day I am mostly surprised that they are 7/10s because goth chicks were either the rare few 9 or 10/10s or the very common 1-3/10 hambeasts with pretty much nothing in between.
>where chruches are open for general public.
Isn't that just normal? Legit question
Yes, but not whole area of the church and not at all hours.
Entrance hall (narthex) is usually open 24/7, main hall of the church (nave) often closes for the night if there is no night service, and "private" parts of the church (bell tower, behind the altar, cellars) are normally not accessible for general public at all.
Wished I was there. I played Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines a while back and that was my introduction to the setting. I adore it and it's newer counterpart and I'm sad that I could have never been in it's peak age. Stuff like DnD is popular now so maybe the two Worlds of Darkness would make a resurgence. I'm heading a CofC game (Partly because of how modular and open ended it is) so maybe I can recapture some of the former glory for you older guys.
All subcultures without strong gatekeeping end up turning into lifestyle brands.
Link is a good read meaningness dot com slash geeks-mops-sociopaths
While WoD is cool it is kinda shallow also, all the schizo metaplot of kindred controlling everything in the shadows just fades when you're playing the game, the insistence of making a shared universe with all the games also makes it a contradictory clusterfrick.
WoD had everything stacked against it and now with millennial writing its just over.
>https://meaningness.com/geeks-mops-sociopaths
>Serious subcultures are usually eternalistic: the New Thing is a source of meaning that gives everything in life purpose. Eternalistic naïveté makes subcultures much easier to exploit.
Honestly, that's a pretty good way of putting it. People tend to trick themselves into thinking everyone has the same love of the stuff they do or can be converted to it, and it makes geeks predictable to manipulate by showing some superficiality.
>Link is a good read meaningness dot com slash geeks-mops-sociopaths
that's a bunch of moronic babble by a silicon valley moron into AI.
He was trying to get around the block that sometimes happens if you post a link to a site and the system thinks you're "automated". I've had it happen to me on occasion.
>oh, you are correct but why do you even care?
Like Pottery
Alternatively, I was asking anon to go on without needing to defend the point because I am interested. If you attempt to be interesting maybe someone will listen to you
NTA but a big part of counter-culture appeal is correcting the flaws of the past.
The issue with WoD is that is didn't understand the tide. If in the metaplot the various uprisings against the old ways had succeeded, but then chaos erupted as the traditions fell apart, while the real old buttholes just closed the hatches and maintained control through another rough patch, and the perspective implied a new wave of young generation trying to clean up the chaos of the previous gens uprising and shove new updated traditions on everything it would be better.
The writers are people who did what they had to do to force in their opinion neccesary change, and don't understand that half of the younger people after the fact don't agree with their choice.
Nobody likes an butthole who can't or won't aknowledge the consequences of their choices and the impact on others.
No matter the isle you ride, there is a bit difference between
>I had to do this, sorry you don't agree and it sucks for you
and
>I did this and you are a idiot/dick for not being grateful I did it, we cannot stop doing this until I say otherwise
The attitudes came out in the writing, in the lack of effort in the system, in all of it. Simple as.
They got old and set in their ways, kinda ironic
>They got old and set in their ways, kinda ironic
Funny thing is: You could see there were always like that by their writting. Justin Achilli is a good example on that, but it came out more noticeable the older he got.
what does any of that shit have to do with tabletop rpgs
You need to go back to l3ddit
And you need to stop being such a fricking meme-based intelligence, you stupid moronic c**t.
WoD was the worst parts of the 90s condensed into one setting and now it's the worst part of [CURRENT YEAR] condensed into one setting. Nothing's changed.
>Nothing's changed.
You mean everything's changed, that's the problem.
nothing you said was coherent or related to tabletop rpgs to those that are not schizophrenic.
>to those that are not schizophrenic
A lot of modern devs are, so...
Which side of the culture war would eventually rise up for real so I could murder the rich and steal their shit?
Neither, that's the evil genius of the system. There's actually a lot the anti-establishment left and right actually agree on. Both want to get rid of massive corporations, corrupt geriatrics in washington, a shitload of nonsense laws, and cut the bureaucracy down to size. The issue is they disagree on so many other social issues (as well as how to actually solve this problem) that both fight each other more than "the man", and they're so polarized compromise is out of the question.
I remember the VtM LARP group in my uni, homies carrying around a bunch of dice in their pockets in case of a "random encounter".
The only thing they have good right now is Scion, Exalted and Aberrant, i lost interest in the rest of their WoD line.
>Subculturally significant
That's a funny joke anon.
...You are joking, right? You don't seriously think people cared about this garbage excuse to do twilight larping?
>look at me, so indifferent and aloof, wouldn't you take my emotional damage for a sign of maturity and give me some attention? Pretty please?
(You)