Why do so many games tout this mantra. Is it just seen as the easy way out to being "deep"?
Any games where revenge is bad is done really well??
Revenge is bad
Why do so many games tout this mantra. Is it just seen as the easy way out to being "deep"?
Any games where revenge is bad is done really well??
it's the easiest character arc to write
Revenge IS bad. God tells us to hate the sin, love the sinner.
But what if the sinner has no other acts or drive other than sinning. What is there to love
and if the sins bear constant, permanent physical reminders? And the sinner rejects any and all wellness?
this world is temporary my son, it's all meaningless
If it's all meaningless than what merit is there in following God's words?
to be able to join the Kingdom of God when your time comes my son
Devoting your life to hating someone who has already damned themself in the eyes of God is pointless. You're harming your own existence in a fruitless attempt to inflict harm that pales in comparison to the judgement God Himself will lay down upon the one who wronged you.
>but it feels good to inflict my own justice on those who wronged me
A fleeting good feeling that masks the injuries that pursuing a path of vengeance have inflicted on yourself.
how do you expect me to maintain enough faith and trust in the same God that allowed that person to wrong me? Especially in such horrid ways such as brutally murdering my loved ones in horrifically painful ways? Where was Gods grace for them?
Trust or don't trust, that's irrelevant. The man who butchered your loved ones is tainted in blood. He will suffer for what he did, whether you trust God to judge him or not.
Tainting yourself too because you don't trust God to do the work is only cutting your own dick off for no reason. Whatever punishment you inflict on the murderer is literally nothing comparatively, and now you're fricked too.
All of you, morons, miss understood the God. You kill the motherfricker in an act of revenge and then ask God for forgiveness.
You should not forgive the sinner, but the God should forgive you. This is how it all works. I swear fricking americans pulled teeth from God and act like it was not the most moronic, most satanic deed in history.
If you're sinning consciously, intentionally and stand by that sin, you cannot repent.
'Tis not revenge you should seek, but to stop the sinner from bringing more harm. Give him the chance to repent, and if he don't - then strike. If he did - strike, so he couldn't get back on his evil ways and curse himself further, while bringing harm to others.
Based Godbros. I fricking love that Ganker is growing more accepting of our Lord and Savior.
AGP's and trannies are more popular here than you christcucks touting your israeli mythology
Transitioning from godless loser to scripture quoting loser is the male to female transition of the right
That's out of context and you know it.
If said sinner won't repent or refuses to recognise his offences, then he IS the sin.
Frick off with your israelite-on-a-stick
Stfu cucks
>posting Dante
And lools where he has ended up! In the hands of nu-Crapcom with pop-music, deadbeat, ugly shitter and being on a third role in his own series!
>love the sinner.
Gay
There is no creature more pathetic than a chr*stcuck
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eye_for_an_eye
That article states that the Biblical "eye for an eye" principal was to restrict the vengeance down to a reciprocal degree of punishment rather than going scorched Earth on someone for parking their donkey in front of yours.
So even the "eye for an eye" Biblical principal is revenge bad.
Wrong. You just fricking quoted it and still didnt understand it.
Well shit, you've persuaded me to see the error of my ways.
You dumbass israelite Black person.
israelite God is vengeful. Xstian god is israelite god, still vengeful. Mudslime god is also the same god and vengeful. Kys dickless nonce.
Revenge isn't bad, it should simply be proportionate to the harm inflicted onto the victim.
Jesus literally quotes this in his sermon on the mount.
>“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also. And if anyone would sue you and take your tunic, let him have your cloak as well. And if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles.
Matthew 5:38-41
Christians love to argue the finer points of what this looks like in practice, but the core concept is clear. Jesus says taking equivalent revenge is not what we should aim to do. It was allowed by Hebrew law, but the spirit of the law is that we do not escalate conflict. And further, Jesus encourages us to forgive.
christhomosexuals are so arrogant is unreal
no one gives a frick you dumb c**t, frick off
If I'm wronged I'm getting my ins, I don't give a shit, let me rot in whatever bullshit you believe it, no one here is asking for your bullshit, you reek of a cushioned sheltered life without a single injustice in your life, don't pretend to have the emphatic right to spread your trash onto others, you never had someone properly mess with you besides some tiny shit like porch pirates or a rude customer. naive moron
That's fine, anon. I honestly don't give a shit what you do or think personally. I just don't want anyone misunderstanding or misrepresenting what Jesus advocated.
You're right, but
>hate the sin, love the sinner
This is such a pithy statement that I almost suspect you're false-flagging. Try these instead:
>Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”
Romans 12:19
>The Lord is a jealous and avenging God; the Lord is avenging and wrathful; the Lord takes vengeance on his adversaries and keeps wrath for his enemies. The Lord is slow to anger and great in power, and the Lord will by no means clear the guilty. His way is in whirlwind and storm, and the clouds are the dust of his feet.
Nahum 1:2-3
The Bible teaches that vengeance is the purview of God alone. Man has no right to avenge himself because each one of us is as filthy as the next. Our place is to cultivate self-control, mercy, forgiveness, and love as much as we are able. And where we are not able, we are meant to rely on God to fill that gap. If then he decides that mercy is not warranted, but rather punitive justice, so be it.
Was that before or after god ran like a b***h from a steel chariot?
the only way to completely neutralize sin is to forgive, my brother in Christ
It's just social engineering to domesticate people to not hold grudges against anyone harming you
>leftoids
>jews
>non whites
But revenge is good if you're left wing and are fighting against the "white system"
Elite is afraid
games don't need deep stories, or sometimes stories at all, so it's understandable that not every dev is going to put a lot of effort into being original
It's one thing if you're taking revenge on geniunely bad people who the world would be better off without it's another thing entirely if the whole thing is over personal beef
So if the personal beef is this guy slit my throat when I was a kid but I miraculously survived. Am I completely in the right to exact revenge?
>silt a kids throat
Unless he has a really good reason for it like you're the anti-christ or something then you'd be doing the world a favour, what kind of madman silts a kids throat.
Yeah I get that, cheers
Revenge is not bad. Never once when I have taken revenge have I ever felt worse or the same. It has ALWAYS made me feel better, more relieved and has allowed trauma to actually start healing. Taking a life as revenge is arguably bad but short of that, revenge is what a person should always try and achieve.
sin breeds sin
This is why it's best to serve revenge in secret so the target cannot sin back and their anger self implodes in confusion, backfiring on themselves
Games were you do get revenge and it feels fricking sweet?
That's too easy and quite plentiful, at least compared to my question of revenge bad games that actually do it RIGHT and have you thinking your revenge wasn't worth it at all
>revenge is ba-
I forget what happened to this guy did he actually get put away
he got seven years and later said in an interview that he's glad he killed him and would do it again
Shouldve just given him a new identity or some shit, the point of prison is to rehabilitate he never needed any of that. Boys that rape and murder a little kid and maniacs that kill and eat people on a public bus get a new identity and new life but completely well adjusted sane people taking proper matters get years sentence
He didn't serve any prison time, it was mostly probation and community service
Oh, nice alright
He was arrested but almost everyone in was supportive of actions.
Imagine doing that nowadays. Dude would be locked up for life
What is this? QRD?
>guy's kid gets molested
>cop tips him off that the molester is being transported in a certain airport
>ambushes him and gets a perfect headshot
>gets off scott free
if the convicted person is guilty of an extremely obvious and evil crime, why don't we just check to see if they have anyone who actually cares for them, wants them back or something, a family
if they have none or no one cares, the law just takes them behind an alley and beats them to death. Aside from rehabilitation, prison is also for those who have others outside dependant or interested in their welfare, if the guy isn't capable or doesn't deserve to be rehabilitated, and they have no one, why keep them alive
Well, first of all, giving this amount of freedom to law will INSTANTLY make your country into unchecked tyranny of law enforcement forces. The very fricking attosecond this law would be passed. And you would be in the first rows of victims.
As for doing it outside of law - it is being done already, but getting hassle over each "goverment had killed another prisoner" is not worth it for the goverment - better to let him out and kill, "while he was resisting arrest armed".
You can't kill a murderer because murder is le wrong.
I can't play games like that anymore. Vengeance feels amazing, whenever I see those "revenge bad" themes I just tune out.
Because it just ends up dragging more people into the mess who probably were not even involved and causes more net suffering in the world. It's an entirely selfish motivation with no care to the consequences but your own personal pleasure. It just ends in a downward spiral of everyone killing everyone on the respective sides because humans are by nature social/tribal animals. What begins as one guy against another guy ends in both families getting wrecked.
Youre completely correct
But in some cases the one trying to exact vengeance HAS NO ONE LEFT
The act inciting their vengeance may have even been the reason behind the absence of this person's family and loved ones.
In this case what do you say?? In ops pic that's exactly the scenario, can we agree that vengeance is completely permitted and should even be encouraged if the individual has nothing more to lose and everything to gain?
Wrong. Vengeance is a you and me thing. Its not a you and me and them and those people thing. Tit for tat is equality and justice.
Industry leads are bike cuck
Also just general incompetence thinking that throwing in some random moral at the very end will somehow elevate their barely serviceable filth
It's just a bare minimum narrative structure for an excuse for the epic action
If you don't want to use this trope you'd have to write more, which is nice but it can get in the way of action if it isn't executed well
either that or go self-aware moron like John Wick and make it about a man going non-apologetic killing spree for a dog, but there's a risk of story turning too goofy
that's why "revenge bad" is the safest bet for a simple narrative
I don't know why this basic reason for a trope is getting some anon's panties in a twist, but I guess there's always some overtly sensitive homosexual who is always angry for the sake of being angry
>if you kill a serial killer you're as bad as him
>let serial killer live
>he kills more innocent people
no one talks more about how "good" forgiveness is than criminals who expect to get away with all the shit they've done
>if you don't believe in an eye for an eye killing for a killing, you don't believe in punishing crimes at all!
Of course you are responsible for this lives. But there are more than one way to prevent serial killer from futher murdering.
>let you live
>you kill more serial killers
ok, now try next argument
>let serial killer live
>incarcerated for life
>over the next 50 years in prison, he will shank and murder 23 child molesters
I can't think of a single serial killer who killed child molesters behind bars.
People who shank child molesters tend to be the literal morons who are in for repeated ape outs, because those are the ones who either don't know or don't care about the consequences. Everyone else sticks to stairwell nonce bashings.
Serial killers are the ones who get shanked alongside the chomos, or who get beaten to death with gym equipment after being moronic enough to taunt someone about the shit they've done in earshot of a guard.
>the serial killer reveals to you that he's actually just a pawn in a grander scheme which holds a eldritch power/entity at bay
>the serial killer is actually a victim and now that you know the truth you must join the order or take his place
>only the shedding of innocent blood can forestall the inevitable
is it justified?
That movie would have been alright if it wasn't the Gay Binding of Adopted Asian Isaac.
the what now?
The movie asks if a gay couple can sacrifice their adopted Asian daughter to save mankind from God's judgement like two homosexuals and their Asian daughter are a real family with real family love.
then what happens
It's literally why Gotham city is still a giant shithole even with Batman around.
what exactly did these homies do???
That's not the message of this game. It's that your revenge was misguided because your father/sensei was never a good person and you didn't know the full story.
>father wasn't a good person
all we know is he didnt let yang use the things to save his loved ones, which is not good you're right but also stems from something we also don't know, the father never wanted anyone to use the medallions not just yang, it's a case of power to be locked away but taken and used.
and he was still our MCs father that we clearly loved dumbass, doesn't matter if he was evil or something if its someone you care for and they're killed, you are in the personal right to get revenge. Someone would have to be pretty fricking insanely evil to be killed and have their loved ones be in the wrong for revenge, Sifu's father is not that, don't even pretend
you gain nothing from revenge but more suffering, in your mind and in the world
>have revenge in the game
>you can continue your life with the magic medalions
>spare your opponents, forsake revenge
>they kill you
pretty based.
Any games where you can frick people up and they just let go for moralistic reasons?
No you can't just kill the bad guy or you're as bad as him
the only people who think revenge is bad are people who
A) have had revenge done against them
B) have never experienced it, and their only exposure is via media
I like Days Gone because Deacon and Boozee don't give two fricks about what's right or wrong anymore and they kill anyone who wrongs them. They blow up a dam just to kill a bunch of cultists.
Shame the game is so agonizingly boring