Everyone's favorite spreadsheet 20th century naval warfare simulator. I've spent so many hours on it and I just got it a couple weeks ago. Post your designs, battleships, and unlucky flash fires.
I destroyed nearly every capital ship in the High Seas Fleet of the Dutch Frisian coast by encircling their fleet with my swifter warships, and it really shows how early combat can be a hellish mosh pit where it's hard to know what's going on.
I recently finished a full Austro-Hungarian campaign. It was fun, but there are definitely things that could be done to make the Mediterranean more enjoyable.
>More possessions like Veneto and the Balearics
>New nations like Turkey and maybe even Greece
>The Black Sea actually being modeled in some way
As it stands I was mostly confined to beating up Italy every few years and occasionally the French. There's also Spain, but they sink into irrelevance incredibly quickly.
The Bosphorus has been closed off to warships for a pretty long time. Under different treaties and conventions. The Black Sea not being present makes sense
It would make sense if Turkey were added, while also allowing Russia to project force into the Med under certain circumstances.
Is that shitty jap animation style really in the game??
If so, they can stick it up their arse
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At this rate, Mussolini might just rise to power a few decades early with how BTFO the whole country is. We've had some victories in trench warfare (I always take the decision to let the army do its thing, interservice rivalry is a horrible thing) and now I've wiped two battleships and a fair amount of light forces. A few more victories like this and a blockade is ensured.
No, you can mod in a lot of stuff and I guess they changed the historical photographs that accompany decisions and events. You see, this is why I can't stand weebs. Why would you ever want to be immersed into larping as the naval admiral of a country a hundred years ago? No, they need "muh waifus" because they can't fathom actual historical events taking place without uguu kawaii nippon bullshit. Look at the Fate franchise, they literally genderswap historical figures into booby anime girls because weebs cannot have a genuine interest in legendary stories of heroics without that.
Yeah those photographs sure are immersive. I love seeing the guy with the camel when the Germans occupy Norway.
Who cares? The worse crime is building destroyers smaller than 3,800 tons. Go big or go home.
A bit of a late addendum: All four generations of the Austro-Hungarian battleship. Number in the top left is the completion date.
Only ended up losing 2, the lead ship of the Viribus Unitas class to an incredibly unlucky flash fire when she strayed out of her immunity zone for a couple turns and a Loudon (the only member of the class to not get scrapped by a treaty) to French air attack in the mid-40s.
Overall I'm pretty happy with every design apart from the Siebenburgen. That main battery layout is inefficient as frick but I liked how it looked. I will also add that being able to make all your capitals short ranged is great.
And the very peculiar history of Austro-Hungarian BCs.
The Minervas were designed at the turn of the century as proto-battlecruiser CA killers, but as a result of delays didn't actually enter service until after real BCs started rolling around. Despite this they did surprisingly well for themselves in a war with Italy despite the opposing side possessing the aforementioned real BCs, and I kept them around for conversion into the world's first CVs. In this role they also acquitted themselves surprisingly well, although the Minerva herself was eventually sunk by French dive bombers. I kept her sister ship, the Kantern, around until the end of the game for sentimental reasons.
The Lissas were intended to counter 12-inch gun equipped Italian BCs. Their armor was a bit on the light side but I intended to counter that by outranging the enemy.
The ships I stole from the Italians are where things get interesting. Emanuele Filiberto #1 is a mostly competent design, although I have no clue what the frick the AI was thinking with that armor layout. Her sister was sunk by my BBs in her first war, and she herself nearly met the same fate. Renamed Franz Joseph, she ironically ended up paired with the very ships designed to counter her. Served until the late 50s before getting scrapped, shooting up a couple French convoys in the interim.
More interesting is Joseph Radetzky, formerly Emanuele Filiberto #2. The Italian AI for some fricking reason decided it needed a long-range battlecruiser despite none of its potential adversaries having holdings outside the Mediterranean. Despite this, I was able to turn her into a decent carrier escort by slapping as many 5-inch guns as possible on her deck. Her finest hour was a war in the 60s where she savaged multiple Italian cruiser forces despite it being the age of missiles, and she remained in service (albeit mothballed) at the end of the game.
Nice AAR anon. Cool that you manage to keep track of and get attached to the ships like that
I've never used anything higher than sixteen inch. Is it worth it? Is there any palpable difference?
Where is the anime mod download link
>Disarmament treaty comes into effect just as my economy has started getting large as the US
>Oppose everything about it and demand better terms
>No use. 22 years of shitty ships it is
>Tension keeps lowering due to the treaty
>8 years in finally be close to a war with Russia to get out of it
>They ally Britain
I might just have to take the loss and get it over with
What are your custom names for battleships/battlecruisers?
I’ve been playing the UK, and so far I’ve used
>Rooke
>Vigo
>Minden
>Brunswick
>Sidney Smith
>Cochrane
>Byng
>Boscawen
>Cape Passaro
>Gordon
>Inkerman
>Copenhagen
>Basque Roads
Cringe
the only thing on the planet to have had more dicks inside them than a USN Yeoman(M)
I love designing conversions by hand
>Seccession
most literate southerner
Yeah, I was drunk and didn't care to change it in the files
I got invaded by France in two locations in one month. I didn't know that was possible. Is it possible for the player to do?
Also, I had a fleet invasion of Hawaii, failed to get four transports to the objective (Actually there were two 4in batteries on the objective that I didn't notice until I noticed the objective was still pending and went to look at it with my battlecruisers) and then invaded after the victorious battle despite failing the "get four transports to the objective" objective. I didn't know that was possible either.
>Is it possible for the player to do?
No.
technically its possible for fascist and communist regimes to invade one place the old-fashioned way and bliztkrieg another in the same month
It wasn't. My impression of what happened is that if you have island/colonial holdings and vastly insufficient naval force in the region, they can get a free invade.
How do you prevent yourself from having an oil shortage? I have 2 provinces producing oil and 23/22 TP duties.
>How do you prevent yourself from having an oil shortage? I have 2 provinces producing oil and 23/22 TP duties.
Prevent losses to shipping. Having "enough" ships on TP duty isn't relevant if the enemy is still sending lots of ships to the bottom on every turn, and eventually you'll get an oil shortage. If you have any ally you'll often get the "shortage prevented by timely shipments from our ally X" or whatever the verbiage is instead.
This just means my spies got the wrong numbers right?
Can't some government forms cheat treaties by some amount?
No idea, that's why I'm asking. For the record Germany is my ally so big whoop in reality. But still. Them seemingly cheating the treaty when I got jack shit felt kind of bad
Yes, every nation that's not a liberal democracy ca cheat by up to 10% of the displacement, so it looks like they got exactly as much as they could (or the game displays assuming they did)
so it's not physically possible to make the USN from WW2 in rtw, right?
>Not from a Jedi...
You can go to the NWS forum and download the 1935 handbuilt start, it should work with RTW3. Or, you can just double or more the base resources in the save file, it'll get you pretty close to what you want in the long run. Without file edits though, no, not really.
Shouldn't max fleet size let you do that or am I wrong?
I've been staying at large or whatever was after large for my first two games.
>get to the end of my USN game after beating all comers fairly easily
>1964
>one last war against the japs and krauts
>carrier battle
>do what i've been doing for 50 years, detach by fast battlecruisers to rape the carriers while my air strikes go in on them
>my battlecruisers find the carriers and their escorts
>VAMPIRE VAMPIRE VAMPIRE
>each battlecruiser takes 10-15 missiles
>my own missile salvo causes damage but not enough to offset the loss of two new battlecruisers
...huh
so post missile battles sure are different, huh
my previous wars either only I had missiles or the enemy fleets had 2 or 3 ships with missiles while I could fire 20 back
this is the first time the entire enemy fleet and every escort had missiles to fire back
I think you underestimate the sheer size of the USN during the war
Just for reference, in 1945 the americans had
10 fast battleships
14 standard dreadnought and super dreadnought battleships
26 standard aircraft carriers
9 light aircraft carriers
122 escort carriers
2 large cruisers
32 heavy cruisers
57 light cruisers
608 destroyers
So how far do you get with max fleet size?
Since I obviously haven't tried it.
>CMANO
My homie.
>10 fast battleships
Is there some reason those aren't 'battlecruisers'?
the "is the iowa is a battlecruiser" debate is long and not worth going over here
6 of those fast battleships were 27 knots
the iowas were the fast surface capital ships ever put to sea and probably would be called battlecruisers but
1) congress would never fund a battlecruiser after jutland and hood. All funding has to come from them and no congressman will allow something that they think means "exploding deathtrap"
2) there is no actual definition for a battlecruiser
Ah, thank you. That's more than sufficient.
then what’s a “large cruiser” then?
Large Cruisers or Supercrusiers or whatever you want to call them are an interesting case in that they kind of fit the role of the original dreadnought armored cruisers (the original battlecruisers) but not of later battlecruisers
Yes and no
battlecruisers were originally to armored cruisers what dreadnoughts were to predreadnought battleships
How many escorts did your battlecruisers have?
>Just for reference, in 1945 the americans had
And no small number of those had been built in the 20s and 30s. The largest fleet size will get you there no problem.
>And no small number of those had been built in the 20s and 30s
I mean
built during the period between 1941 and 1945 were
the 10 fast battleships
24 aircraft carriers
9 light aircraft carriers
122 escort carriers
2 Large Cruisers
48 Cruisers
349 Destroyers
498 EScorts
and 203 Subs
the fast battleship is the natural evolution of the battlecruiser just as the battlecruiser was an evolution of the heavy cruiser
There is no such thing as a "heavy cruiser", it's an abominable product of the Washington Naval Treaty.
redpill me on AMCs
the cheapest way to make a carrier
if you're on conciderable tech variation, they could potentially absolutely rape, but that's a question of luck really
>conciderable tech variation
How exactly is that supposed to play out? I selected it for my current game but it's only 1895 and I really haven't seen any differences
it changes how effective techs are in addition to the year of discovery
which means it's hard to tell if somethings actually worth it or not just by looking at how it preformed IRL, you actually have to look at it's effectivenes to see if it's viable
once i got a game where 10 AMCs were killing about as much as an actual submarine stack would, was very funny as they just don't care about ASW
>once i got a game where 10 AMCs were killing about as much as an actual submarine stack would, was very funny as they just don't care about ASW
I think it’s because the AI wouldn’t put CA/CL on trade protection, just destroyers, later in the game so they can’t intercept the raiders.
I think you just need active cruisers in the area to counter raiders. I never put cruisers on trade protection, but still get raider intercept battles, and to trade warfare popup will say X thwarted attack
>Play as China
>BTFO Japan in the opening war they declare on your right away because i built a couple of good CAs in France, trashing their starting fleet
>they frick off for a while
>BTFO Japan again in a 2nd war they declared because of being "uncomfortable with my control of Taiwan"
>They are beaten so hard they lose Hokkaido
>the whole time invest into railroads and social programs to stop being a shithole and try to get a bigger budget
>3rd war comes (again solely due to Japan being programmed to basedrage at me forever)
>Their fleet is like 2 times bigger than mine
>They have 6 BBs
>They are allied with Russia(!)
How the frick are you supposed to play this country. Also bonus points for the events where you just lose territory randomly.
Don't bother taking territory, always go for reparations.
Not taking any land means you get more money? Also how the frick do i keep up economically. Is telling Cixi to invest into railroads and agreeing to do social programs a good idea or should i defent my current budget and constantly try to up it?
afaik you get either territory or war reparations for X years. More points you don't spend, the more reparations.
Colonial territory (which I think is literally everything that isn't your home territory, so like, Shanghai and Hong Kong for China are colonial territories, go figure) starts out earning a lot and will slowly become a net drain over the course of the game (to the point where late game you start getting countries voluntarily releasing territories).
But also China and Spain are explicitly "this shit hard yo"
someone tell me if I'm wrong
>Not taking any land means you get more money
Yes, at least in the peace deal. I think you can still take territories through naval invasion.
>how the frick do i keep up economically
Always go for decisions that look like they'll increase the Base Resources stat you can check in the almanac. I wouldn't bother with social reforms unless you're having unrest issues.
It really sucks that the game ends right before VLS would start coming into play.
Meant for
Topside capacity is a worse limit than tonnage lategame.
correct
What does "our scientists have theorized about X but it might be beyond our current science" mean?
I seem to be getting it a lot more late game. Is it telling me to focus on other areas of research first?
It just means that they selected a research topic which gets a really bad research modifier because it's for a very distant year. There's nothing you can do about it. It just means you're doing well at research.
>finish USA game
>Decide to start very large Italy game
>First war against Austria
>Fleet battle
>We each have 6 pre dreds
>We ast each other for hours
>At one point I have all 6 firing on one isolated ship
>End result: 1 enemy predred medium damage
Holy frick I forgot how indecisive the first 10 years of this game can be
there's an accuracy penalty for multiple ships firing at the same target
I think that's why battle lines would tend to pair off one ship for one target etc.
Go to doctrine window at set everything to 100% HE until 1920 or so.
Get a frickton of 6 inch secondaries and use HE to burn any predreds
It's worked pretty well for me as Japan in the early game
Use shit ton of torpedoes theyre super effective early game 1 one of them will probably sink a whole ass predread
What's your late-game research look like? 1968 here.
>naval guns on low
Yikes.
I mostly rely on buying them from other people. It never really seemed to hurt me (though in like, 1965 I got 16in+1 guns and in 1967 I found out they had a dispersion problem).
Would that be related?
Once you get a 15" or 16" model at 0 or better quality there's no need to leave it on high. You might go the rest of the game and only research two or three quality-1s, the rest of them need to be bought.
what's the most SSMs you can put on a ship at once without exceeding the top load limit?
honestly in the age of the missile it's better to have a bunch of lighter ships than a few heavy ships with a large missile battery
jeneu ecole finally won
I'm down with that but it seems hard to get even small ships small enough. I was trying to fit say, 6 HSM on my destroyers and they were shaping out to 2.5k tons. Bigger than I want for something flimsy and disposable.
Unrelated; eventually you research "ability to fire SAMs at surface targets" which seems very ????
Do you ever want to do that? Don't you need SAMs to fire at incoming missiles? Do SAMs have reloads while SSM don't?
Have you researched missile corvettes yet?
I eventually did but it was in like 1965. Pretty close to the end. Pretty far from unlocking ship missiles.
>All forward armament in 1960.
>helicopters
why tho
you have no sonar
also aren't 3in guns way better for HAA, or was that just because I got 2+ quality 3in and full-auto autoloader?
>why tho you have no sonar
Aren't that what helicopters are for?
Look at your ASW rating in design mode.
Not him, I've never even gotten helicopters. I was thinking about how I've seen them used in Command. Where they fly around with dipping sonars or MAD.
I did similar stuff and then noticed on design that my BC with 4 helis for ASW had an ASW value of 0.
I'm willing to believe there might be some minor bugs happening, since I also got things like
>open design for rebuild
>can add autoloader to 8-in 2x turrets
>change turret size
>lose ability to add autoloader (even if changed fully back to 8 in/2x)
>???
things like that that seemed very inconsistent.
I think capital ships besides carriers can't have an ASW rating.
Depends on the size of the vessel and how much other stuff you try to put on the top.
How much does ship class matter for the battle generator? My newest CA upgrade is classified as a BC for some reason. It still gets tossed into cruiser actions and the like right?
the austrian navy is having a bad day
beautiful
I was way more aggressive with my light forces and it paid dividends
This war just started and it's been fricking intense. An excursion into the Mediterranean with the help of Austria resulted in non stop bombings from Italy's land based planes. With several battlewhatevers foundering in heavy seas during battle. Though mostly of my Austro-Hungarian ally.
The first assault on Japan was also my first real taste of having actual aircraft carriers. Planes everywhere, both sides eating bombs and torpedoes. Their planes found my carrier group. My battleships found their carriers. But sadly had to break off due to heavy damage in the preceding hours. Along with a japanese relief force arriving just in time with a battlecruiser and supporting smaller ships. Which was too much with how damaged my force was.
RIP the almost 30 year old Huntingdon CA class. You used to beat everyone up, but you're showing your age now that the forties are just around the corner. Replacement BCs, thrice her size have slowly been entering service and should carry the war effort for hopefully another decade at least.
Where do they go now? Mothball? Colonial service? Convoy escort? The scrappers?
I'm considering removing the aft main gun and turning them into carrier escorts if anything as it is now. They are so old they don't have any AA guns at all right now. Having them on the front line is just suicide if I don't make some sacrifices.
I don't remember as a dirty secondary AARer, does RTW3 have DP main guns? If so, you could always go the San-Shiki shell/Atlanta class psycho routes and turn the main battery into MORE AA battery, rather than deleting just the rear gun. Also, clarifying, do you mean to delete the aft gun to make them CARRIER escorts- aviation cruisers, specced for ASW maybe- or carrier ESCORTS, as in more AA? Why not both, maybe?
Even if you can't do a DP main battery, can you gut all but one turret replace it with an enlarged 'secondary' DP battery in the current refit system? If accuracy/caliber crowding from the guns being too close in bore is an issue, maybe refit the vestigial main battery to be a highest caliber 1-gun to eliminate that and let the things function as monitors to boot?
The main guns are too large for my tech to become DP. And a rebuild would be too heavy even if they could become DP.
So removing the aft gun is the only real option if I want them to become carrier escorts. With more AA
Addendum to
>can you gut all but one turret replace it with an enlarged 'secondary' DP battery in the current refit system?
Yes, that was the plan. The configuration is 3x2. One fore, one aft. Removing the aft gun in favour of DP AA guns would let them stay in service to cover my carriers.
I played Italy. No colonial obligations, can stick to short and even low freeboard ships inside the mediterranean. Mogs Austria by default. So you get a nice tutorial game.
Or I guess that's 2x3. I can't even math
>Their planes found my carrier group. My battleships found their carriers.
This is pretty much how every carrier battle will go. The AI will normally be bombing your carriers before you've seen a report about the enemy fleet. However, the AI is terrible at doing naval strikes so heavy/maximum CAP will shoot them all down and you're free to spend the next 12 hours searching for their carriers while dealing with only occasional enemy strikes.
Which nation should I choose for my first game?
Italy, Germany, France, or Japan.
How does the special stuff for Japan work?
I was playing America and whipping them badly enough for a 5/4:1 VP ratio, but I didn't see the kamikazes activate. They had a Fascist coup so they had the right government.
afaik suprise attacks requires you to have active fleet units in the same territory enemy has fleet units in to surprise attack.
No clue on kamikaze.
Playing the UK/France/Germany would be more fun if the Netherlands and Belgium were possessions you could fight over.
I have taken my elan pills
Take your rear admiral mode penalty while you're at it.
only caught 3 of their Bs but I fricked up their light forces
>'only' 3 battleships in an 11-v-16 matchup, with 33 DDs to the enemies' 50
what are you FEEDING these things with
it was the light cruisers carrying with anti-screen fire & mass torps, wasn't it
nah 1907 so my torps and DDs are shit and my screen got very distracted once it came under AI control when night fell
I just had enough elan (i charged directly into the enemy battle line which freaked the AI the frick out and caused the enemy line to come unhinged. I trafalgared him)
oh also I should say that my Bs are completely immune to their own guns
I'm continuing to frick their Bs but holy frick my CAs are attriting
well hey it's 1907ish, that just means there's room in the budget for NEW cruisers that don't suck balls
>etna has rammed enemy BB
god bless
>$40 for a visual basic game
no thanky
Why won't Germany go to war?
I've had my UK ally sit out a four-year war. The "we can win this war without them!" even seems to write them a blank check for peace.
okay, who’s going to post the “CA Moskva hit by missile!” screenshot?
CV Kuznetsov sunk by dock!
So at the 1890 start does it basically boil down to treading the narrow line between funding and war until you tech up? Its just a flat out slog where I seem to do well with cruisers but lose my ass with battleships in wars.
1890: 100% HE doctrine with as many secondaries as you can fit
1905: flotilla attack with as many torpedos as possible
1920: traditional BB with reasonable AP doctrine
1930: carriers with torpedo bombers
1940: carriers with dive bombers
1950: carriers with heavy night fighters
1960: missiles
That's basically how you play the game on normal tech progression.
I managed to Cannae them
>AND VITTORIO WITH THE STEEL CHAAIIIIRRRRR
they're already dead anon, they're already dead
now what?
I was going to say I felt bad about how hard I bullied them but then right after this they completed 3 battlecruisers that did a good job including
>showing up in a light cruiser battle and forcing me to retreat
>ambushing and torpedoing one of my own battlecruisers
>playing merry hell with my light forces
>retreating every time I had them pinned and only taking damage once
>not losing a single ship despite my overwhelming advantage
so honestly, respect
you terminated all the ships holding up their budget, now they have no choice but to modernize into a lean mean force that leapfrogs you technologically for a next-war BTFO
prepare your anus isonzo man
nah, looking at their fleet now
idk how but they've pulled 100 submarines out of their asses in the last 2 years
so I need to focus on ASW
Jesus christ the amount of subs Austria manages to poop out is mind bogling. At some point I had a treaty where subs where banned. The moment a war started they had about 40 subs in construction, by the time it ended they where at about 80 in operation or planned.
and how many of those are coastal subs, just a horrible swarming nightmare in the Adriatic? I bet it's a LOT
Actually about 60-70% is medium range, the rest being coastal with a smidge of minelaying. Still an ASW nightmare I wouldnt like to get into right now
how zany is variable tech progression, slow plane development, and 90% technology development overall?
I just want to live in an alt history age of battleships that goes slightly off rails
Planes are scary but I was running around with a 60k ton battlecruiser and eight to twelve sixteen inch guns well into the 70s.
Most of the change is an opening exchange of missiles until everyone runs out.
>Enemy ship spotted
th-thanks
how do I git gud. I tried very small fleets as austria hungary but italy kicked my teeth in before I could even lay down a new heavy cruiser. how do I build ships to be GOOD I want to KILL these ITALIANS
Here's some useful trivia:
Small ships are hard to hit with big guns. There's a penalty to using >5 in against them.
Likewise, 5in is the maximum that can be 'hand loaded'; RoF falls off markedly beyond it as shells and charges get massively heavier. In long battles RoF can fall off for <5 as your loaders get tired.
Early on (1800-1905 basically) all-long-gun armaments are much worse because you can't reliably hit anything at respectable ranges. Your 12in guns might have huge range, but are so wildly inaccurate you're not going to reach out and touch anyone. For this reason I've heard people suggest all-HE massive secondary battery armaments early on.
As AH, you have the privilege of all of your coastline (initially) being in one easy to reach sea. You can get some more mileage out of a given amount of tonnage by going for low freeboard (you aren't going to be ocean-faring, aim to always fight in good Mediterranean weather) and short range (ditto). Use the extra tonnage for thick armor and you can do pretty well for yourself. When I have the funds to play around with it, I like to aim for starting Bs to be 15000-20000 tons.
If possible, keep them decently fast- 20kn might not be possible but 17-18 at least. If you can't catch 'em you can't kill 'em.
I never bother with torpedoes on anything larger than a CL. Especially early on they SUCK and are solely for kicking dick in at knife-fight range by destroyers or CLs. DON'T bring anything big into knife fight range, and be careful at night.
Remember to prioritize research (I like putting high priority on the things that will just quietly make you better- ship design, targeting, damage control) and intelligence (Italy, obviously, should be your priority.)
Get an ally. A decent ally can carry you through (though obviously RNG).
I was trying to prioritize guns at 12% research and only ended up getting level 0 12 inch guns in fricking 1904, meanwhile Italy had dreadnoughts by the time I even laid a dreadnaught ship down
the rng in this game kind of sucks
>getting your teeth kicked by shitaly
ngmi
in fairness he's playing the only nation even more incompetent than italy
well, maybe spain as well
>make some BC with high caliber +1s, up-to-date FCS, decent tonnage, no accuracy penalties
>crew are quality enough, early war after mobilization, but one is already elite
>set battle on auto and walk away, looks like they're rolling in to engage
>check after battle report - all three sunk, one enemy BC heavy damage, it did like 50k to each of mines 10kish too
>the enemy BC had a hit rate roughly 5x higher than my BC even though their country had worse fire control
what kinds of things do you think could cause the difference?
there's a penalty for multiple ships shooting at the same target I think.
Oh, and you could be about to find out that your +1 guns have dispersion issues.
Wait do guns models have individual stats beyond their quality modifier and size modifiers? You've got to be shitting me, where do I see that?
Not really, I think, it's just a negative even that can happen. I got them to my Q1 16inchers in like, 1958. It was sad. You may have the opportunity to fix them via event (and money) or not.
Think less 'gun stat' and more 'negative random event'.
Probably want to scale back to 10, cowboy. Diminishing returns at 11 and 12 and you don't have the budget to waste.
Also consider buying a destroyer from all the tech leader's yards periodically to see what you can learn from them.
whoa, if you build a destroyer in someone else's shit you get all their tech and can just steal it?
you get tech boosts, you don't get all their tech.
>game gives me 3 CAs
>gives the enemy 3 BCs
>this has happened multiple battles in a row
fricking thanks game
>falling for the CA meme
Thought they had some bonus of appearing in more events so they were ok early on because youd dunk in cruiser actions
Early on they're fine, as soon as the battlecruisers appear, it's joever for them.
Later on the AI starts building them again and I personally think it’s worth it to invest in a few because your light cruisers would have a tough time fighting them, and matching them in numbers with BCs would be too expensive for any nation other than the US
I know, but I kinda disagree. Your BC will demolish them, and I was pleasantly surprised when my light cruisers melted enemy CAs, mainly with HE, since the enemy was faster than me.
I keep building them because I build light BCs with 10" so the game calls them CAs. They won't stand up against a line of proper BCs, but a line of proper BCs won't stand up to a line of fast BBs, and a line of CLs won't stand up to a line of CAs, etc. They have their place in the hierarchy.
Toward the end of the game CAs make a real comeback as "the largest ship you should probably build that doesn't have a flight deck".
A line of proper BC will outrun a line of BBs, even fast ones, if needed. Beyond a certain speed, the game forces you to reclassify BBs as BCs. The speed limit grows with time, but never goes away. It's 1957 in my game and it's still in effect, albeit at 30 knots.
I know, the AI seems to love CAs. But in the missile age, I think it's better to have more ships rather than bigger ships.
Currently building:
damn, I couldn't catch their damned BCs
damn, couldn't qutie kill all the BCs
I have tricked Britain into signing a treaty that gives me a higher tonnage limit than it
Now all I need to do is get them to go to war with me
Any day now
>Britain naval agreements itself into cuckdom
how in the goddamn
I mean, irl they were forced to accept america as their equal with the wnt
>Playing far too late before a workday
>Blunder five carriers after a long losing battle
>Whatever, frick this shit, I'll just go to bed
>Force quit the game and just shut off the computer
>Come back the next day
>Set back three years to before the war even started
So no autosaves at all huh? I acted like a gamer during a moment of weakness and this is my punishment.
Side note. How can I replicate the instantly finding carriers trick of the AI? Because I never find theirs with me planes
>How can I replicate the instantly finding carriers trick of the AI? Because I never find theirs with me planes
You can't, I think the AI doesn't operate off reports but just has universal vision wherever it has assets including planes and it will always ready strikes on minute 0 of the battle. You'll never beat that, so you need to use max cap and keep your forces close together until the enemy planes are all shot down.
Well that's just some bullshit then
>So no autosaves at all huh
I mean, did you actually load the autosave?
If you force quit out of a battle it should promt you to either load the battle autosave or regenerate the scenario if you click that little button on the load screen
Or are you a moron using continue in a boomer game?
What the frick else does continue mean? Any other game I can think of has continue = latest save no matter the source.
If that's the case I might still have an auto save. Since I only booted up the game and closed it without passing a single turn since.
regenerate scenario is what i mean
Means it recalculates what ships and conditions will be in the battle. So if you get something like convoy attack, and you only get 2 cruisers to their entire fleet, if you regenerate the battle on loading the autosave you might have your full battle squadron Vs them instead, or vice versa.
Mission remains the same, ships, weather and time of day etc all get regenerated. I'll admit to using it to counteract some of the utterly moronic lopsided engagements the game throws at you.
Tried it and it worked. Thanks anon. Looks like I have a worse force. But maybe the AI does too. I'll ow my loss this time
>"Victor: Italy"
YEAH, OK
oh shit the fricking took my land, no wonder I lost
Dummy
I don't know what happened but I used to be able to directly control the ships I was in a battle with but now it won't ever let me, what did I change
You selected Admiral Mode in the options because you were tired of just doing destroyer suicide charges for decisive victory in every battle?
I exclusively do surface raider operations, I live to hunt merchants
how do I conquer neutral colonial holdings
You hope you get the event.
there's no way to influence it at all?
Nope
You can refuse to oppose it when other countries get the event so you can take it from them by force later. One of the options may cost you prestige but the middle one will let them take it most of the time and doesn't cost prestige.
the only way I ever do well in this game is if I get a lucky roll on a quality 0 gun before my enemies have good guns too
having the only two ships on the ocean with 8 inch quality 0 guns and central rangefinding is the high I live for. just gotta enjoy the good times until britain sends something more modern than 1889
and so it begins...
remember to fire all your sams at them too. the ai in this game almost never use them but half a dozen non-penetrating hits are still enough to burn out even BBs. just gotta hightail out of there when youre done however, no reason to frick with enemy planes when your sam clipazine is almost empty.
no sams at that battle
i ended up reloading the battle because i hadn't invented missile fire outside of visual range yet, this was the result
this battle was much more interesting, the italian line charged directly into mine which was absolute carnage
this is my save with no aircraft technology for fun btw
results
Fought an absolute total war against italy for the past 3 years. they took dalmatia and had me blockaded for years, but I finally got a decent fleet composition in a cruiser action and had an absolutely decisive victory and they were plunged into revolution. I got Sardinia and Eritria in the peace as well as Dalmatia back. Life is good lads.
wasn't as clean as I could have hoped but it as still something
I really wish the "developed from" made a bit more sense, but so be it.
Only 20 more to go, or if you're in my game, you just polished off their BBs and have 20 BCs to go
I would pay for a DLC that included scenarios for historical battles.
if you design something, save the design, but don't do the design study, is it possible to go back and do the design study?
It should be, click the file folder next to "developed from" and search through for the design name
>fights through enemy battle line
>fights through enemy battlecruiser screen
>runs out of ammo as soon as the CVs are in sight
just use your secondaries bro, most CVLs only have tincan armor anyway.
I did end up running these down and killing with secondaries, yes
Ramming speed, Anon
>dusk falls
>scenerio ends as no ships can sea each other
FRICK
How do yall organise your divisions? do u create one big one or a few ones for different seas
How do yall organise your divisions? I have the template 1BX for Flagging,1CA for Screening The BX and 2Cls for scouting and support. Do they matter that much or nah?
The manual gives some suggestions for support/screen, I think CLs for screen and dds for support? It's mostly to prevent the RTW2 nonsense of mixing your new 28kn BBs with some old 22kn BBs in the same division. I just put my newest/fastest BBs into the flag division and set any BCs I have as scout flag. CLs get grouped by class, faster ones scout, the others screen.
What do you use CAs for then?
After BCs come out? Raiding, I give them 8- 9 or 10 in guns, enough to handle most Raider encounters where they get intercepted. With oil firing, it's easy to get long range and push them fast enough to match ai BCs. If I'm playing AH or another poor nation, I'll use them in place of BCs for longer though, cheaper to build. It's sad, I like the heavy cruiser, but with the way the game gets battles, they don't have much place after 1910 or so. But we shouldn't forget that CAs were only so prolific in real life due to treaties preventing larger ships being built.
so as a general rule is it better to have a bunch of ~14in guns or fewer ~16in guns?
Depends on so many things it's hard to set a rule, but I'd take 9 16in over 12 14in myself.
I should mention that my 14 inch guns are quality 1 while my 16 inch guns are quality 0
quality-1 14 inchers should have the same pen capabilities as quality-0 15 inchers, however they have less range. So if you end up taking the 14in over the 16, make sure your ships have more speed than whatever they are going up against so you can close the range and force the engagement.
How does that work? a good gun gives you more force but not more range?
Better penetration and accuracy but not more range.
I visited my dad and fixed him up with a copy of rtw, he's enjoying reliving the analog naval wargaming of his youth and it's always nice to have a game to talk about with him.
Wholesome.
Do you treat the combat as an RTS with pause, or a turn-based, read the logs every turn kind of game?
RTS mostly, it's fun to read logs occasionally, but it'd take hours to get through a fleet battle otherwise
So this is a game about playing with my wittle floaty toys going bang bang at each other? FRICKING WHO CARES ABOUT YOUR FRICKING FLOATY BANG BANG BATH TIME FRICKING homosexual FRICKFACE c**tS
What are people's opinions on torpedo layouts? Are reloads worth it to save topside space? Or are more tubes worth it simply to dump more torps down at once?
Are oxygen fueled torps as big a danger as the game makes out? How long should you keep torpedo tubes on your larger ships? I've been finding use using submerged tubes into the 30s and 40s on my BBs as a finisher to save main gun ammo but I don't know if it's actually worth it.
I don't know if reloads save any topside space, the main reason I use them is so after every torpedo in the fleet gets expended on a destroyer v destroyer skirmish, when I find the carriers later there will miraculously be torpedoes in the tubes again.
Submerged tubes are bad, stop using them as soon as your light forces start consistently firing torpedoes.
I've never seen oxygen torpedoes cause "extra" damage but destroyers are sunk as soon as they get hit so it probably doesn't matter.
They like double the range too, irrc.
I mean extra damage when hit.
The whole point is to increase range and speed of the torpedo at the cost of being more dangerous to carry.
Why are submerged torps such a bad thing? As far as I can tell they're more weight efficient on capital ships than sneaking any deck torps aboard.
Torp reloads only (almost) double the weight of the torp system, but no topside load. My main concern was did reloads and oxygen turn destroyers from a 3-4 hit dead ship into a 1 hit dead ship.
What's an opinion on cruisers with a heavy torp load? Actually, what is the rule of thumb for a heavy torp load? I like have 3-4 banks of 4 on my destroyers and anywhere between 4-8 banks on my cruisers, assuming I'm at a tech level where I can do that without flipping them. But I think that might just be because I like playing underdogs that rely on night swarm tactics.
Ntayrt, I believe the "submerged flat" hit you can get is pretty bad, plus they seemingly don't fire the submerged tubes often, so the weight can go elsewhere
Submerged have a maximum speed beyond which they get an accuracy penalty and it's a low speed like 26 knots so by the time you're think that submerged tubes are the answer to all your problems they're just a waste of tonnage.
your destroyers are going to die anyways
give them oxytorps and reloads
'til valhalla you glorious little bastards
So how does one convert a ship into a carrier? I don't understand what I am supposed to do to do it.
When you go to Rebuild a ship, there's an Auto Convert ship to Carrier button in the Graphics section of the ship designer that makes the whole process much easier, hit it, it'll ask you to confirm, it'll then redraw everything, scrub all the turrets for more appropriate ones and load up the ship with planes.
Thanks, found it.
I thought this looked interesting but I don't know a lot about steam age or dreadnought era naval warfare. Is it still possible to play and enjoy it without knowing things like warship specs?
yes
just make what seems right
if you care about protection, there's even a button that tells you at what ranges your armor can be penetrated by your own guns
i love the 1890 start
some of the autogenerated fleets at start are frankly insane
VGH... VHAT CVLD HAVE BVVN
I've been playing a CSA game and Germany has been my Greatest ally. They now own half the Caribbean and have the largest fleet in the world. I created a monster I can't defeat
just won a war with great britian, guess that wasn't very good for the economy
can you start on randomly generated globe?
No, but the game is pretty easily moddable
I'm a moron, is there a way for 1890 Japan start to have my country outpace everyone's tech and win outnumbered fights consistently? I'd always get into war with China and double teamed by Russia
you need to be bankrolled by Uk and /or usa like in history
Japan didn't outpace everyone's tech, they only did in a few specific areas then used their geography to the fullest.
If you want to meme though, go into your save file and just give yourself all the techs you want.
Win as many wars as you can (savescum if they end too quickly), don't select possessions and you get reparations that will boost your economy. It's possible to match the US's budget by 1920s/30s if you win enough wars
If you're building your ships correctly (use foreign-built ships with a country that has high tech and low tension) you should be able to beat pretty much anyone besides britain and the US
Is the economy system still the same, where the USA gets an extra 1% resource growth tick every year and the UK gets rubberbanded to keep up with the US?
Yes.
I think so, but I also think the UK eventually deliberately falls off? I'm not sure exactly when or why but they both can get unrest from high naval expenditures and eventually do start releasing their colonies (India in particular)
I think the US does unequivocally overtake them eventually.
Countries get unrest for having a high percentage of total national economy going to the navy. The UK gets hit hard by this in the 30s when the US has completely surpassed then as an economy but the UK is trying to match naval expenditure, suddenly the UK has high unrest and the budget gets dumped. And never recovers.
only having enough money to work on one or two capital ships at once makes having an 8-8 or even a 4-4 fleet hard
it also means I can't replace my old capital ships unlses I am under treaty