threadly reminder that catherine did literally and unironically nothing wrong. It's not her fault that simon is too much of a tard to understand a concept that she explained and he saw with his own fricking robot eyes multiple times throughout the game.
yeah that doesn't make them any less moronic especially when someone explains to them that it's a copy. Not a transfer. Idiots believing that they can get scanned then put a bullet in their dome thinking they'll somehow wake up as the copy in the ark are just believing what they want to believe or probably wanted an excuse to kill themselves. Plus simon saw the process happen in real time and he talks at length with catherine about it. She never hides the facts from simon of what's going on and yet he still throws a temper tantrum at the end like the whole thing was new to him.
an identical copy. who experiences direct continuity from sitting in the pilot seat for a scan and waking up in the ARK.
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Yes
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The copies do not experience continuity with those events. They were born with memories that give them a sense of that experience, but their consciousnesses always begin at the mockingbird chair.
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How do we know we don't die every time we sleep and our consciousnesses is rebooted with our memories when we wake up?
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You don't
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This is literally what happens.
Dreams are when our consciousness becomes weakened, but not enough to completely quiet down and thus stays awake while the body sleeps.
It has access to the brain and all its memory, while not being able to access any bodily sensors to gain information from outside the brain.
As such, as "we" assume to receive a continuous flow of data to process, we start processing data we already have.
Short-term memory is easiest to access, so most things from your daily life make an appearance in your dreams.
Lucid dreaming is when your consciousness is as strong as you were awake. The dreams continue, but now you have the ability to make choices while you sleep.
Some esoteric sources claim that because we shut down our bodily senses and by extent the body's sensors, you gain a more direct connection with things outside of our material reality.
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>while not being able to access any bodily sensors to gain information from outside the brain
Black person you what. external stimuli being incorporated into dreams is a classic - the old 'hear your alarm in your dream but can't identify it as an alarm because you're dreaming.'
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External stimuli is never experienced during a dream, only at the end.
Your body (not "you") reacts to the alarm by waking up, which it does by giving "you" access to your external senses, which in turn drags "you" out of dream state and into reality.
If you can find a single instance where external stimuli translates into dream without waking the person up, I'd be very interested to see it.
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If you can find a single source explaining this phenomenon that isn't esoteric and/or pseudoscience, I'd be very interested to see it. The fact is that external stimuli can be incorporated within a dream. Whether you ultimately wake up during that stimulus is irrelevant because, until you do, the detachment from reality that is dreaming still applies.
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Alright, sure; TECHNICALLY it could be said that you can experience external stimuli "during" a dream due to the single second you're able to experience external stimuli before your body wakes up.
My point is that the only way to experience external stimuli while dreaming is to let your body wake up and transfer external stimuli to "you" while you're still dreaming.
Which, in turn, means that you cannot experience external stimuli during (not counting the moment before you wake up) a dream.
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>If you can find a single instance where external stimuli translates into dream without waking the person up, I'd be very interested to see it.
How the frick are you gonna identify that some total nonsense you experienced in a dream was actually something real? The whole fricking idea of a dream is that its unreal nonsense and thats if you can even remember the details. The only reason you can tell when it wakes you up is because the dream nonsense suddenly flips into the real thing and you can connect the dots.
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I would be curious about an experiment with a lucid dreamer given some (blind) stimulus. I still doubt they'd be able to identify it.
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>I would be curious about an experiment with a lucid dreamer given some (blind) stimulus.
Sounds like good material for a horror game, made me think of the russian sleep experiment creepypasta.
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>How the frick are you gonna identify that some total nonsense you experienced in a dream was actually something real?
By recalling your dreams? I don't know about you, but I can recall most of my dreams with perfect clarity up until a few hours after I wake up.
You could also try lucid dreaming, then you'd have an easier time recognizing external stimuli. >The whole fricking idea of a dream is that its unreal nonsense and thats if you can even remember the details.
Even dreams have some form of regularity to them. If you get tickled while dreaming that you're riding a horse while eating a donut at a coffee shop and you suddenly feel ticklish while you take another bite of your hotdog, you could probably assume the external stimuli got transferred to your internal state. >The only reason you can tell when it wakes you up is because the dream nonsense suddenly flips into the real thing and you can connect the dots.
The act of lucid dreaming would claim otherwise.
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Wolfenstein TNO had a neat little cutscene with a character exploring this kind of possibility
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The player gets the experience of the instance of Simon that is left at the launch pad. That instance includes the memories of all prior instances up until being installed into a new body. The fact that this instance is finally left behind after several left-behind-points is not a coin-flip but a branch.
There is no difference, you numpty. A non-copy has the exact same perception of recent events as a copy. Whether that pattern of brain activity was created or copied is utterly irrelevant. The consciousness cannot tell the difference.
>simon is too much of a tard to understand
I felt like he did understand, the guy was just on a massive binge of hope mixed with denial that it didn't work like he thought it would.
No, he didn't. He understood everything else except that. There is no 50/50. Your consciousness doesn't cross over. The fact that he was angry in the middle and at the end, especially at the end, proves that he didn't get it. But you think he did because you, as a player, have your consciousness cross over. So you think you won the coin toss when you switched bodies the first time but lost at the end, when in truth Simon never transfers consciousness.
yeah. It "feels" like you had continuity and won a coin toss because that's what it feels like for every copy you make, they share the same experience you had up until it splits off. The only Simon you controlled was the third one with memories from the original and its second form. The fourth Simon up in the Ark has experienced the same campaign you played through, even though he was only created at the end. The coin toss is only whether or not your memories are copies that'll go into the new body or stay in the old, to you it'll feel continuous regardless, because consciousness is continuous.
It's more of an inconsistency of the game that Simon understands and adapts to everything EXCEPT that concept and muddies the water with the analogy of a coin flip. It also breaks its own game mechanics for the body change switch, both near the middle of the game and at the end. The player hoping bodies enforces the view that it is a coin flip of whether consciousnesses are transferable when they objectively are not.
It's a flaw of the game and it arguably breaks it from being a good game. That's why people remember the setting and the twist rather than it being a great game.
>simon is too much of a tard
dozens of people bought into sarang's continuity bs. read the short stories on frictional's website.
The reason people bought it is because the game mechanics show that the lie is true through the game mechanics even though the narrative argues that it is a lie.
I did. Original Simon got his mind copied, it became a backup, over time it was used for experiments, the apocalypse happened, people lost all hope at the bottom of the sea but some thought that they could escape their hell by 'transferring their consciousness' if they killed themselves right after and called it a 50/50 coin flip when there is no coin flip since it's someone else who takes your place. An AI creates a Simon consciousness, who is you, the player, whom you initially believe that your consciousness was brought from the hospital to the bottom of the sea when in reality it's just what you remember until that point. But then you need to get to the bottom of the ocean and need to transfer consciousness, and you, as a player, literally switch consciousness where the previous body of Simon should have remained yours. At the end of the game, you see what should have happened in the first place: when you transfer consciousness, you don't leave your body. The oh shit twist upon the transfer of consciousness makes you believe that it is a 50/50 when it doesn't happen. But people believe it is true because of that ludonarrative dissonance.
It's a flaw of the game. That's all there is to it.
>The player hoping bodies enforces the view that it is a coin flip of whether consciousnesses are transferable when they objectively are not.
I see Simon's idiocy wasn't fiction
Holy midwit >Simon understands and adapts to everything EXCEPT that concept
Because that concept is the end goal, you fricking dumbass.
The entire time Simon was bumbling around like a fool, he had Catherine to give him a target, something to focus on.
He never really "got" most things, he just accepted that it was like it was because he had another goal to reach. >It also breaks its own game mechanics for the body change switch,
You're confusing the game's camera and the in-game mechanic of "switching" bodies.
You do realize that the original Simon we played at the very start of the game is a different Simon than we played when the prologue was over, yes?
The switching of the camera was nothing more than changing the player's perspective of the game world. The camera isn't real.
This is like saying that you're upset that you couldn't move Simon with the arrow keys during cutscenes. >That's why people remember the setting and the twist
No, the reason why people remember the twist is because most people are fricking morons who, like Simon, don't understand that the coin flip analogy is faulty and was only made up by Catherine to ensure that Simon wouldn't stop helping her.
>The entire time Simon was bumbling around like a fool, he had Catherine to give him a target, something to focus on.
He accepted easily that he was a robot. And he doesn't bumble around like a fool? This is just cope to try to narratively explain why Simon was an idiot about one thing by arguing that he was an idiot about everything, all to explain a flaw of the game. >You're confusing the game's camera and the in-game mechanic of "switching" bodies.
What does that even mean? You're not swiching 'camera' but CONTROL. By controlling the new Simon after the transfer, the game is literally conveying that you swaped bodies, transfered consciousness, when that is not how it works. It makes you think that there was a 50/50 chance that you could have remained in that old body or transfered to the new one, but, again, that's not how it works. Calling it 'camera' misunderstands games as a medium which is about INTERACTIVITY THROUGH CHOICE. You're objectively wrong.
>most people are morons
No, most people were confused because of what I explained. It's a flaw of the game, nothing more.
>This is just cope to try to narratively explain why Simon was an idiot
The reason why Simon was an idiot is explained in the prologue. The human Simon has fricking brain damage and the copy made from him is imperfect as the tech used for it was nothing more than a prototype. >By controlling the new Simon after the transfer, the game is literally conveying that you swaped bodies,
I can think of absolutely nothing that could make someone think this. Do you automatically assume that the camera in movies or cutscenes in other games are from the perspective of another person, too?
You're getting upset by something that you assume was the case, while absolutely nothing in the game tells you this is the case. >Calling it 'camera' misunderstands games as a medium which is about INTERACTIVITY THROUGH CHOICE.
lmao
>he doesn't yet realize the substance of his reality
lol, lmao even
And no, I'm not saying reality is nothing more than a computer simulation, only morons claim that.
>We can give up and die here like morons
or >We can at least give something of a lifetime of "happiness" to a group of people, a future version of ourselves and hope they find something that will let them continue existing in the hundreds of years that they have left, it's not like we have anything else to do in this godforsaken place place.
Not really. She tried to explain what was going on but didn't have time to sit him down and made sure he actually understood everything. And she brought Simon along with her to the Ark too, she "saved" him just like she saved herself.
Oh great, here comes another thread of idiots that refuse to immerse themselves in the situation. I bet you yell at horror movies and never stfu about "oh, id never go in there!"
>2 ai copies based on brain scans (one of which being the first one ever made of a terminally brain damaged man) don't have full human cognition and emotional control, TIS IS UNREALISTIC!
Prove that it isn't a coin flip. You can't. There is no distinction between the two consciousnesses the moment after the snapshot. How can you tell which is where without making a single assumption? You can't.
the fact is there's no way to predict which reality you'll find yourself in immediately after the scan because consciousness exists independently of the vessel that houses it, so it might as well be a coin flip.
And her own goals were altruistic, so what
Simon is a homosexual npc and he needed someone to tell him what to do otherwise he'd have a nervous breakdown like he eventually had anyway
She was honest about everything she was doing, it's not her fault Simon is 1: an idiot, 2: Had his brain scanned when he was literally suffering from brain damage, 3: Was completely out of the loop due to being from 100 years in the past.
Also her goals were arguably the best possible outcome at that point.
Now commence the regular Ganker tradition of people pedantically arguing over the "coin flip" metaphor for 200+ posts
The coin-flip didn't frick me up as much as Catherine turning off mid-speech and turning on again hours like and feeling like no time at all had passed, like suddenly she was someplace else.
Could WAU have potentially side stepped the whole continuity issue by slowly replacing individual human neurons one at a time with synthetic versions and then once the entire brain is synthetic pop it out of the body and plug it into the simulation?
Granted time and resources where scarce and there would be mass and volume restrictions on the rocket but given enough time I think the whole coin flip issue could have been avoided.
Meh, trusting the WAU with anything it's a gamble. I think the best course of action would be to launch the rocket and leave the few copies in there untouched by the WAU, just in case. Then you leave the WAU to hopefully find a way to slowly rebuild a semblance of robot civilization in like 500 years from now.
>find a way to slowly rebuild a semblance of robot civilization in like 500 years from now.
I'm not sure that was possible
The impact didn't just kill off humans it apparently killed EVERYTHING including all plant life and microbial life. Not sure you could get very far in building a civilization when you don't have those.
It's impossible. But not for the reason you think it is.
A machine empire doesn't give a single shit about plat life or animals. They don't need oxygen. They only need materials and an energy source.
The reason it's impossible is that they're absolute fricking idiots and didn't give the satellite they sent into space the capability to harvest space resources and fabricate new materials from those resources.
I don't blame her for it. It was the only hope for "humanity" and she did the right thing. How do we know we aren't orbiting a destroyed earth in a simulation right now? I do feel bad for Simon but Catherine did nothing wrong.
>be me >scientist team leader >bottom of ocean floor >working on project to save humanity >plan is to copy paste their mind onto a disc and shoot it into space with a railgun then they float as a satillite in space >close_enough.jpg >science team murders me >respawn in robot >find moron robot with same fate from 10000 years ago >convince him to help me finish the job >he's too stupid to understand the simplest things >explain it to him, like I explained it to my niece >he might have gotten it >we shoot the thing into orbit >Yay.jpg >He didn't get it. >Oh shit.jpg >he yells at me and gets angry, destroys my robot parts >I wake up >His robot self is much older now and a little rusty and repaired with junk items >"Finally I got it to work... I have been waiting ages for this" >Wtf.jpg >"Open up, you asian frickdoll!" >He put me in a sex doll and I could not move, just speak. >Speaking arouses him more. >Tfw should've stayed in tailand. At least there they pay 4$/hour for sex
How the frick will Frictional ever top this game? their reddit and twitter is just filled with people begging them to make SOMA 2. I almost feel bad for them since I can't imagine anything ever being as good.
>filled with people begging them to make SOMA 2
Why? I can't image a Soma 2 that wouldn't be a copy-paste of Soma 1. The themes have been explored, the story has been told, there is nothing meaningful to add.
Nah. They all knew they were mind copies of an actual person, so he is just upset he gets stuck down there.
The real shit that is a mindfrick is the Teleportation and matter transfer shit in games. You can't be the same motherfricker from before after using one of those. You died and got remade with everything in its previous place wherever you got "sent to" with that new copy knowing it just went through but never acknowledging that fact.
So?
Typical w*man
threadly reminder that catherine did literally and unironically nothing wrong. It's not her fault that simon is too much of a tard to understand a concept that she explained and he saw with his own fricking robot eyes multiple times throughout the game.
>simon is too much of a tard
dozens of people bought into sarang's continuity bs. read the short stories on frictional's website.
yeah that doesn't make them any less moronic especially when someone explains to them that it's a copy. Not a transfer. Idiots believing that they can get scanned then put a bullet in their dome thinking they'll somehow wake up as the copy in the ark are just believing what they want to believe or probably wanted an excuse to kill themselves. Plus simon saw the process happen in real time and he talks at length with catherine about it. She never hides the facts from simon of what's going on and yet he still throws a temper tantrum at the end like the whole thing was new to him.
>moronic
Learn some proper English
>to them that it's a copy. Not a transfer.
Tell that to the Simon who woke up in the ARK. Or at Upsilon and Theta for that matter.
>you're a copy
ok now what
an identical copy. who experiences direct continuity from sitting in the pilot seat for a scan and waking up in the ARK.
Yes
The copies do not experience continuity with those events. They were born with memories that give them a sense of that experience, but their consciousnesses always begin at the mockingbird chair.
How do we know we don't die every time we sleep and our consciousnesses is rebooted with our memories when we wake up?
You don't
This is literally what happens.
Dreams are when our consciousness becomes weakened, but not enough to completely quiet down and thus stays awake while the body sleeps.
It has access to the brain and all its memory, while not being able to access any bodily sensors to gain information from outside the brain.
As such, as "we" assume to receive a continuous flow of data to process, we start processing data we already have.
Short-term memory is easiest to access, so most things from your daily life make an appearance in your dreams.
Lucid dreaming is when your consciousness is as strong as you were awake. The dreams continue, but now you have the ability to make choices while you sleep.
Some esoteric sources claim that because we shut down our bodily senses and by extent the body's sensors, you gain a more direct connection with things outside of our material reality.
>while not being able to access any bodily sensors to gain information from outside the brain
Black person you what. external stimuli being incorporated into dreams is a classic - the old 'hear your alarm in your dream but can't identify it as an alarm because you're dreaming.'
External stimuli is never experienced during a dream, only at the end.
Your body (not "you") reacts to the alarm by waking up, which it does by giving "you" access to your external senses, which in turn drags "you" out of dream state and into reality.
If you can find a single instance where external stimuli translates into dream without waking the person up, I'd be very interested to see it.
If you can find a single source explaining this phenomenon that isn't esoteric and/or pseudoscience, I'd be very interested to see it. The fact is that external stimuli can be incorporated within a dream. Whether you ultimately wake up during that stimulus is irrelevant because, until you do, the detachment from reality that is dreaming still applies.
Alright, sure; TECHNICALLY it could be said that you can experience external stimuli "during" a dream due to the single second you're able to experience external stimuli before your body wakes up.
My point is that the only way to experience external stimuli while dreaming is to let your body wake up and transfer external stimuli to "you" while you're still dreaming.
Which, in turn, means that you cannot experience external stimuli during (not counting the moment before you wake up) a dream.
>If you can find a single instance where external stimuli translates into dream without waking the person up, I'd be very interested to see it.
How the frick are you gonna identify that some total nonsense you experienced in a dream was actually something real? The whole fricking idea of a dream is that its unreal nonsense and thats if you can even remember the details. The only reason you can tell when it wakes you up is because the dream nonsense suddenly flips into the real thing and you can connect the dots.
I would be curious about an experiment with a lucid dreamer given some (blind) stimulus. I still doubt they'd be able to identify it.
>I would be curious about an experiment with a lucid dreamer given some (blind) stimulus.
Sounds like good material for a horror game, made me think of the russian sleep experiment creepypasta.
>How the frick are you gonna identify that some total nonsense you experienced in a dream was actually something real?
By recalling your dreams? I don't know about you, but I can recall most of my dreams with perfect clarity up until a few hours after I wake up.
You could also try lucid dreaming, then you'd have an easier time recognizing external stimuli.
>The whole fricking idea of a dream is that its unreal nonsense and thats if you can even remember the details.
Even dreams have some form of regularity to them. If you get tickled while dreaming that you're riding a horse while eating a donut at a coffee shop and you suddenly feel ticklish while you take another bite of your hotdog, you could probably assume the external stimuli got transferred to your internal state.
>The only reason you can tell when it wakes you up is because the dream nonsense suddenly flips into the real thing and you can connect the dots.
The act of lucid dreaming would claim otherwise.
Wolfenstein TNO had a neat little cutscene with a character exploring this kind of possibility
The player gets the experience of the instance of Simon that is left at the launch pad. That instance includes the memories of all prior instances up until being installed into a new body. The fact that this instance is finally left behind after several left-behind-points is not a coin-flip but a branch.
There is no difference, you numpty. A non-copy has the exact same perception of recent events as a copy. Whether that pattern of brain activity was created or copied is utterly irrelevant. The consciousness cannot tell the difference.
>simon is too much of a tard to understand
I felt like he did understand, the guy was just on a massive binge of hope mixed with denial that it didn't work like he thought it would.
No, he didn't. He understood everything else except that. There is no 50/50. Your consciousness doesn't cross over. The fact that he was angry in the middle and at the end, especially at the end, proves that he didn't get it. But you think he did because you, as a player, have your consciousness cross over. So you think you won the coin toss when you switched bodies the first time but lost at the end, when in truth Simon never transfers consciousness.
>Your consciousness doesn't cross over.
see
To that Simon it would seem like an unaltered chain of events. Consciousness is non-transferrable.
yeah. It "feels" like you had continuity and won a coin toss because that's what it feels like for every copy you make, they share the same experience you had up until it splits off. The only Simon you controlled was the third one with memories from the original and its second form. The fourth Simon up in the Ark has experienced the same campaign you played through, even though he was only created at the end. The coin toss is only whether or not your memories are copies that'll go into the new body or stay in the old, to you it'll feel continuous regardless, because consciousness is continuous.
It's more of an inconsistency of the game that Simon understands and adapts to everything EXCEPT that concept and muddies the water with the analogy of a coin flip. It also breaks its own game mechanics for the body change switch, both near the middle of the game and at the end. The player hoping bodies enforces the view that it is a coin flip of whether consciousnesses are transferable when they objectively are not.
It's a flaw of the game and it arguably breaks it from being a good game. That's why people remember the setting and the twist rather than it being a great game.
The reason people bought it is because the game mechanics show that the lie is true through the game mechanics even though the narrative argues that it is a lie.
You actually didn't understand the game. Funny.
I did. Original Simon got his mind copied, it became a backup, over time it was used for experiments, the apocalypse happened, people lost all hope at the bottom of the sea but some thought that they could escape their hell by 'transferring their consciousness' if they killed themselves right after and called it a 50/50 coin flip when there is no coin flip since it's someone else who takes your place. An AI creates a Simon consciousness, who is you, the player, whom you initially believe that your consciousness was brought from the hospital to the bottom of the sea when in reality it's just what you remember until that point. But then you need to get to the bottom of the ocean and need to transfer consciousness, and you, as a player, literally switch consciousness where the previous body of Simon should have remained yours. At the end of the game, you see what should have happened in the first place: when you transfer consciousness, you don't leave your body. The oh shit twist upon the transfer of consciousness makes you believe that it is a 50/50 when it doesn't happen. But people believe it is true because of that ludonarrative dissonance.
It's a flaw of the game. That's all there is to it.
>The player hoping bodies enforces the view that it is a coin flip of whether consciousnesses are transferable when they objectively are not.
I see Simon's idiocy wasn't fiction
Holy midwit
>Simon understands and adapts to everything EXCEPT that concept
Because that concept is the end goal, you fricking dumbass.
The entire time Simon was bumbling around like a fool, he had Catherine to give him a target, something to focus on.
He never really "got" most things, he just accepted that it was like it was because he had another goal to reach.
>It also breaks its own game mechanics for the body change switch,
You're confusing the game's camera and the in-game mechanic of "switching" bodies.
You do realize that the original Simon we played at the very start of the game is a different Simon than we played when the prologue was over, yes?
The switching of the camera was nothing more than changing the player's perspective of the game world. The camera isn't real.
This is like saying that you're upset that you couldn't move Simon with the arrow keys during cutscenes.
>That's why people remember the setting and the twist
No, the reason why people remember the twist is because most people are fricking morons who, like Simon, don't understand that the coin flip analogy is faulty and was only made up by Catherine to ensure that Simon wouldn't stop helping her.
>The entire time Simon was bumbling around like a fool, he had Catherine to give him a target, something to focus on.
He accepted easily that he was a robot. And he doesn't bumble around like a fool? This is just cope to try to narratively explain why Simon was an idiot about one thing by arguing that he was an idiot about everything, all to explain a flaw of the game.
>You're confusing the game's camera and the in-game mechanic of "switching" bodies.
What does that even mean? You're not swiching 'camera' but CONTROL. By controlling the new Simon after the transfer, the game is literally conveying that you swaped bodies, transfered consciousness, when that is not how it works. It makes you think that there was a 50/50 chance that you could have remained in that old body or transfered to the new one, but, again, that's not how it works. Calling it 'camera' misunderstands games as a medium which is about INTERACTIVITY THROUGH CHOICE. You're objectively wrong.
>most people are morons
No, most people were confused because of what I explained. It's a flaw of the game, nothing more.
>This is just cope to try to narratively explain why Simon was an idiot
The reason why Simon was an idiot is explained in the prologue. The human Simon has fricking brain damage and the copy made from him is imperfect as the tech used for it was nothing more than a prototype.
>By controlling the new Simon after the transfer, the game is literally conveying that you swaped bodies,
I can think of absolutely nothing that could make someone think this. Do you automatically assume that the camera in movies or cutscenes in other games are from the perspective of another person, too?
You're getting upset by something that you assume was the case, while absolutely nothing in the game tells you this is the case.
>Calling it 'camera' misunderstands games as a medium which is about INTERACTIVITY THROUGH CHOICE.
lmao
She did what she had to do. It's not like she didn't get the same short end of the stick as Simon's. She knew she'd be stuck down there with him too.
Yes, and?
Simon had fricking brain damage, what else was she to do?
He's lucky she brought the copy of him to live on forever.
>floating in space on a computer
>living
>he doesn't yet realize the substance of his reality
lol, lmao even
And no, I'm not saying reality is nothing more than a computer simulation, only morons claim that.
coin toss
stone toss
amoguss
Duh, she did nothing wrong. It's the last chance humanity had and Simon was certainly not the sharpest tool in the shed
computers arent human anon. nothing any of them did mattered in the end they were just embers of humanity burning out
He was going to be the robot equivalent of dead in a few weeks when the power goes off permanently, might as well give him something to do.
PATHOS-II gets its energy from a molten magma bed under Upsilon, they weren't going to run out of power.
>We can give up and die here like morons
or
>We can at least give something of a lifetime of "happiness" to a group of people, a future version of ourselves and hope they find something that will let them continue existing in the hundreds of years that they have left, it's not like we have anything else to do in this godforsaken place place.
Not really. She tried to explain what was going on but didn't have time to sit him down and made sure he actually understood everything. And she brought Simon along with her to the Ark too, she "saved" him just like she saved herself.
Oh great, here comes another thread of idiots that refuse to immerse themselves in the situation. I bet you yell at horror movies and never stfu about "oh, id never go in there!"
>2 ai copies based on brain scans (one of which being the first one ever made of a terminally brain damaged man) don't have full human cognition and emotional control, TIS IS UNREALISTIC!
I thought the girl in the picture was Anita Sarkessian.
Yes.
After the first transfer, Simon was being willfully ignorant
Prove that it isn't a coin flip. You can't. There is no distinction between the two consciousnesses the moment after the snapshot. How can you tell which is where without making a single assumption? You can't.
If they are just data, why couldn't they transfer? 'Coin flip' was for the humans, but the snapshots could just go to another hardware
Facts.
the fact is there's no way to predict which reality you'll find yourself in immediately after the scan because consciousness exists independently of the vessel that houses it, so it might as well be a coin flip.
midwits cope.
Simon is a robot, who the frick cares
And her own goals were altruistic, so what
Simon is a homosexual npc and he needed someone to tell him what to do otherwise he'd have a nervous breakdown like he eventually had anyway
She was honest about everything she was doing, it's not her fault Simon is 1: an idiot, 2: Had his brain scanned when he was literally suffering from brain damage, 3: Was completely out of the loop due to being from 100 years in the past.
Also her goals were arguably the best possible outcome at that point.
Now commence the regular Ganker tradition of people pedantically arguing over the "coin flip" metaphor for 200+ posts
The coin-flip didn't frick me up as much as Catherine turning off mid-speech and turning on again hours like and feeling like no time at all had passed, like suddenly she was someplace else.
She's a c**t. Good character writing it made me fricking hate her. Demon women.
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Could WAU have potentially side stepped the whole continuity issue by slowly replacing individual human neurons one at a time with synthetic versions and then once the entire brain is synthetic pop it out of the body and plug it into the simulation?
Granted time and resources where scarce and there would be mass and volume restrictions on the rocket but given enough time I think the whole coin flip issue could have been avoided.
Meh, trusting the WAU with anything it's a gamble. I think the best course of action would be to launch the rocket and leave the few copies in there untouched by the WAU, just in case. Then you leave the WAU to hopefully find a way to slowly rebuild a semblance of robot civilization in like 500 years from now.
>find a way to slowly rebuild a semblance of robot civilization in like 500 years from now.
I'm not sure that was possible
The impact didn't just kill off humans it apparently killed EVERYTHING including all plant life and microbial life. Not sure you could get very far in building a civilization when you don't have those.
It's impossible. But not for the reason you think it is.
A machine empire doesn't give a single shit about plat life or animals. They don't need oxygen. They only need materials and an energy source.
The reason it's impossible is that they're absolute fricking idiots and didn't give the satellite they sent into space the capability to harvest space resources and fabricate new materials from those resources.
I don't blame her for it. It was the only hope for "humanity" and she did the right thing. How do we know we aren't orbiting a destroyed earth in a simulation right now? I do feel bad for Simon but Catherine did nothing wrong.
>be me
>scientist team leader
>bottom of ocean floor
>working on project to save humanity
>plan is to copy paste their mind onto a disc and shoot it into space with a railgun then they float as a satillite in space
>close_enough.jpg
>science team murders me
>respawn in robot
>find moron robot with same fate from 10000 years ago
>convince him to help me finish the job
>he's too stupid to understand the simplest things
>explain it to him, like I explained it to my niece
>he might have gotten it
>we shoot the thing into orbit
>Yay.jpg
>He didn't get it.
>Oh shit.jpg
>he yells at me and gets angry, destroys my robot parts
>I wake up
>His robot self is much older now and a little rusty and repaired with junk items
>"Finally I got it to work... I have been waiting ages for this"
>Wtf.jpg
>"Open up, you asian frickdoll!"
>He put me in a sex doll and I could not move, just speak.
>Speaking arouses him more.
>Tfw should've stayed in tailand. At least there they pay 4$/hour for sex
simon's in a woman's body, he has no penis.
>i have mouth and i can scream... but it does nothing
How the frick will Frictional ever top this game? their reddit and twitter is just filled with people begging them to make SOMA 2. I almost feel bad for them since I can't imagine anything ever being as good.
>filled with people begging them to make SOMA 2
Why? I can't image a Soma 2 that wouldn't be a copy-paste of Soma 1. The themes have been explored, the story has been told, there is nothing meaningful to add.
Idk. Frictional is at their best when they're original. Amnesia one was good, 2 and 3 were bad.
Nah. They all knew they were mind copies of an actual person, so he is just upset he gets stuck down there.
The real shit that is a mindfrick is the Teleportation and matter transfer shit in games. You can't be the same motherfricker from before after using one of those. You died and got remade with everything in its previous place wherever you got "sent to" with that new copy knowing it just went through but never acknowledging that fact.