it's pretty unfair to blame the chick for the marvel tier writing, the incompetent developers or the moronic marketers
she just has a terrible agent
nobody wants to see a black person be a hero. blacks are only heros to other blacks. the governments forced us to treat them like humans. not even being racest. this is just history at this point. blacks make up 2% of the gaming population, most of them are walled off in the xbox and ps4 landscape so we dont notice them. log into a cross plat game like cod or apex, and youll deal with the dumbest baboons youve ever met.
luminous does not exist anymore in any way, shape or form
its developers were either fired or reassigned to other projects
flopspoken is the biggest frick up in the history of squenix imho, even the ceo had to resign
>But it's funny, and actually makes me like her more to think of it that way.
I thought the same and gave her game a chance. It still wasn't good. The gameplay gets interrupted by popups and npcs every few minutes. It's a terrible experience
maybe, but she's not a positive for this game, and whoever had the idea to write "marvel tier" story also had the idea to include such character in the game, it goes hand in hand
the only way this neo liberal ideology can be spread is by burning the old renown brands
It’s the result of long development and sunk cost >see forced trend >see moronic twitterites agreeing with it >see one or two hits using it, and fail to grasp that they were parasitically latched to an IP too big to fail >start development >double down on the moronic elements >spend six years in development >in the meantime see other projects with the same idea as you come out and bomb like Nagasaki >you’ve now spend millions of dollars and years of development time for a product nobody wants and no way to salvage any costs >go for broke and try to blitz it with a marketing campaign, hoping to clinch as many week one/preorder sales as possible before everyone finds out how shit it is >manage to go for broke very successfully, just not in the way they intended
This is true for most characters >Writer writes character to be unlikeable >People act like that's how the characters race or whatever act, even though a white guy wrote them
Its even worse on sites like tumbrl where there've been so many mass death threats sent to actors because their characters aren't gay they've changed the writing mid story just to appease them
Everyone blames the character primarily who is the result of horrendous casting and writing decisions, don't know how the Nips working on the game were somehow convinced that a Black person in a fantasy setting would be a big seller, but I'm glad it happened, maybe they will learn something, maybe some Japanese studios will learn something, most likely no lesson will be learned by a single person that none of this shit is wanted.
We don't want Black person centered games
We don't want try hard quippy Marvel tier writing
We don't want ugly face capped actors in a fantasy setting
We don't want contemporary Black person american culture pushed hard in Japanese games
Forspoken cost at least 100 million dollars to make with a staff of about 400 people, Square Enix could have invested in remasters of their entire NES to PSX era collection of games which would have cost as much taken less time and resources and made more money, that's how big of a frick up this is.
>maybe some Japanese studios will learn something
I've long given up on Japs learning their lesson about trying to appeal to murrican sensibilities, whatever they think those are
They are like moths to the flame
This. Japs will try to pandar to american some more. They will never blame Black, ugly females, censor or american pandering. Just like how when Atelier Ryza games become successful they sid they will kill fanservice. They're ready to throw their fanbase into fire for the mutt dream. They will throw huge amount of money on westernized shit while refusing to give Bravely Default good budget and delivered the shitty BD2 on switch.
Things are looking bad, at least we can enjoy the flops and inevitable layoffs, maybe the acquisition of a bunch of Japanese studios by MS so we can all collectively write them off and never think of them again.
This game was the result of terrible market readings by Square.
They saw that western games were pushing for globohomo, racial diversity and mahvel movie scripts so they hired some american israelites to do all the writing/character casting/design for them. What they did not read is that most consumers never liked that crap, even less the idea of a japanese dev going down that road
So basically Square is lead by drunken monkeys, breaking news
>but I'm glad it happened, maybe they will learn something, maybe some Japanese studios will learn something
They already know, everyone knows it, they do it not because they think it's a good idea but because they want ESG investors money
>esg money
They could way more with a hit, I'm expecting Super Mario RPG to sell like 10 million units over it's lifetime, Square Enix wouldn't get that much from ESG investments, and even then those are investments, they are selling their equity for that money, the money from Super Mario RPG will be flat cash.
I don't know how much ESG money they get, but I know that last year Blackrock lost $1.7 trillion. That's a lot of money.
And every company probably thinks they can get away with a successful product while still getting the ESG money.
Blackrocks wealth isn't liquid cash, it would be almost entirely in investments, that money wasn't loot because it was poured into companies, that money was lost because their investments lost value.
>...somehow convinced that a Black person in a fantasy setting would be a big seller
I honestly want to play a game where a gangbanger or something similar is isekai'd into a fantasy setting and after a long series of shenaningas you become the first knight of the realm and something. Would be written like a comedy of course.
He ain't a gangbanger thought, he is just one of those guys that dresses and talks like one to feel tough and scare whitey or some shit, cause he works at a park
But they would frick it up. No wayxthey would do a angry 50 cent look-alike gang banger who bumbles his way through magic adventures with a magic tec 9 who is inaccurate but has infinite ammunition.
He would be a ironic, "poor me" kind of criminal this day and age. Like the Saints Row new crew of absolute gays
>Chris Tucker Isekai'd >Jackie chan bracelet >tucker: ahhhhhh! did you see that shit moved on its own!? >chan: not own on. I help. Focus chakra.. ki.. you know like magic. >tucker: homie das a ghost. get me off this damn haunted island
I'd buy it
Japan is financially insolvent, has 11 trillion dollars of US debt, and is reliant on institutional investment firms for cashflow and collateralized loans.
They will not learn anything, they will kiss the ring for the money.
Kodansha, the biggest LN, and manga publisher in Japan, and the world, launched a transgender Idol pageant. It also greenlit and financed several novels that feature transgenders. It also financed anime adaptations with transgenders, the notable ones from last season being, Skip to Loafer, and Heavenly Delusion.
You need to start paying more attention. Any and all anime adaptations that have Kodansha, PJ, and KOEI Temco as publishers, have started including Black folk as of 4 seasons ago. They all did it in concert, so you can tell it's not organic.
Did you really think the israelites would give the goyim respite? The moment people stopped watching Hollywood, marvelslop, and TV, and shifted to anime, the israelites realized they had to capture the industry. Media and entertainment are vehicles for propaganda, you can't allow the goyim to resist the agitprop by switching up their entertainment diet.
They captured Kodansha and Jump.
They captured Funimation.
They captured HiLive.
They captured translation and localization.
They captured several JP gaming companies, including Namco, Temco, Capcom, Platinum, and are in the process of consuming even more.
>has 11 trillion dollars of US debt
Almost all of their debt is Japanese 70% of their debt is just the bank of Japan, with almost all of the other bonds being owned by other Japanese institutions. Square Enix is not Japan, and the money they will get from foreign investments is chump change, it's big to them bcause of how hard they are floundering, but say for Nintendo, Pikmin 4 will have covered the entirety of Forspokens budget as well as it's own development budget.
I'm hopeful but not expecting things to change.
No, 11 trillion US dollars of US treasury bonds. I don't expect a NEET on Ganker to know how it works.
Moreover, Square-Enix is a hilarious example, because it demonstrates how the process works.
Yasuhiro Fukushima owns 20% of the stock, but he is effectively powerless, because JP Morgan and Chase, Statestreet, The Bank of Japan and the Bank of New York, collectively own over 20%, and they get more votes in Shareholders meetings. It's obvious their priorities align, so they vote in concert.
That's how companies end up being blackmailed or bribed or extorted into ESG quotas, ESG-conditional loans, and ESG-reliant obligations. You either play ball, or you risk a 20% rag pull, which translates to abject collapse.
>No, 11 trillion US dollars of US treasury bonds.
What's wrong with owning US bonds? The entire world does it, the US isn't going to default, and if it does, it'll take the entire world economy with it anyway,
> You either play ball, or you risk a 20% rag pull, which translates to abject collapse.
And banks selling off their shares at bargain prices will just depress the stocks for a while, it won't crash the company.
>Did you really think the israelites would give the goyim respite? The moment people stopped watching Hollywood, marvelslop, and TV, and shifted to anime
It's sadly literally this. You can't just "watch/read/consume other media". They'll chase you wherever you go, and punish you for even trying to look for an alternative
>We don't want Black person centered games
Racist that much eh? Grand Theft Auto San Andreas remember, very likeable character Carl Johnson, even white know who's that.
Frey as a character is so utterly despicable and unappealing that it killed the game. People hated her dialogue before the game even came out because she’s completely obnoxious, and nobody wanted to deal with an annoying c**t that won’t shut up for an entire game.
Nah, the characters are too moronic and unlikeable, and the game cost too much to make. To not flop they need a major character rewrite and/or a immense cut in production costs
Square enix are one of the most moronic developers in the industry. They get by on Final Fantasy being so popular and that’s it. They stray out of Final Fantasy or something similiar and people realise how poorly written and shallow their games really are.
The problem with brand recognition is that more often than not, it works. It's part of why the Barbie movie made over a billion dollars. It's why people kept paying to see the Star Wars sequels despite how bad they got. It's why Magic the Gathering is still rolling in cash despite how awful it turned out to be. Brand recognition plays into a huge flaw in the human psyche that corporations have learned to exploit: when we see familiar things, we piss and shit and cum in our pants.
>when we see familiar things, we piss and shit and cum in our pants.
I'm well aware of it. It's one of the many reasons why I'm a 100% misanthrope and believe this trash species deserves to go extinct.
I genuinely believe they are intentionally tanking their value so Sony can buy them. The shit they've been doing for the last 10 years genuinely makes no sense.
>The shit they've been doing for the last 10 years genuinely makes no sense.
This is Square Enix we're talking about, nothing they've done has made any sense and the only thing more nonsensical is how they've gotten away with it this long
It's like if a corporation was being run by the art team
It's funny because the story some people tell about Square is that Final Fantasy was called that way because they thought it'd be their last game because they were really close to bankrupcy but that game rescued them. They released some good games after that like Parasite Eve but seems like after merging with Enix after their failed attempt to get into film making they forgot the two times they almost went to shit.
I wonder if the writers of the game have been blacklisted after that fricking mess.
Honestly, I hope they don't. I actually want to see even more of this because people need something to point and laugh at.
It sorta feels good to know these blokes are being humiliated on a public scale and the only thing they can do is sift through the countless videos mocking a permanent stain on their career.
Someone will probably do it for me, but these writers most likely have twitter accounts with someone sending the occasional Forespoken reaction image or video comp on the most jarring lines in that game. I only ask someone to screencap their asshurt.
I feel like I won't be satisfied until everyone involved in the game regret having their names in the credits.
Feels comfy knowing the studio probably went through a lot of heartbreak and internal fighting leading up to their closure.
Apparently it was rewritten at the behest of the execs, and the two original writers were only responsible for the outline.
It does sound accurate, since Amy Hennig is on the credits, and her specialty is making theatrical dialogue sound natural
I’ve never seen any confirmation, so it could just be a writer very sensibly trying to wash his hands of it and throw everyone else under the bus, but given the dialogue and the incompetence of Squeenix management in general it does sound very plausible.
Apparently it was rewritten at the behest of the execs, and the two original writers were only responsible for the outline.
It does sound accurate, since Amy Hennig is on the credits, and her specialty is making theatrical dialogue sound natural
Sodomite neomarxist writers always fall upwards.
Doubly so if they are israeli or shitskins.
Video-games are vehicles for propaganda, thus, activist writers will always get offers and gainful employment, regardless of how the product ends up performing in terms of critical acclaim or profit.
Yes, he wrote that pile of shit and ended up as the lead on Forspoken, he had complete control over the story and characters.
whitta didn't write forspoken you morons
he said himself he only canes up with the name athia and did not else on it, he just send an email to SE one week and that was all his involvement was
amy hennig did the plot points and game scenario stuff like "you can raid the castle this way or sneak in this way", then Allison rymer and todd stashwick wrote the actual script and dialog
Japanese companies maintain a lot of control over the company, things are a lot different there, the Toyoda family owns 5% of the company, but they still call all the shots.
foreigners really don't get much control over Japanese companies, unless they own most of it, I'm guessing Square Enix is mostly owned by Japanese institutions, just like Nintendo.
he came up with the name athia for a fictional land, and the concept of there being 4 witches called tantas which its was based on SEs on premise they first gave him which was to come up with a concept for a "witch vs witch" thing
he didnt write the story
they talked about this in the forspoken official dev livestreams
He wrote the worlds lore and back story and is credited as the lead writier, and it's evident the the core premise was designed bye him whereas moment to moment writing wasn't so clearly he had a lot of control, also why the frick are you watcing Forspoken dev livestreams.
https://www.gamesradar.com/forspoken-writer-gary-whitta-on-building-its-lustrous-new-fantasy-world/ >Taking what was then a blank canvas, Whitta explains that he was first approached by Square Enix back in 2017 about potentially working on crafting an ambitious new title that would be the first major project "under the banner of their new studio, Luminous productions''. With some initial visuals to work with, Whitta was tasked with taking Square Enix and Luminous Productions' initial points of inspiration and shaping them into a story and fantasy world that would later become the building blocks for Frey's adventure.
>"I was excited to see what they had, which turned out to be some very ambitious plans for the kind of game they wanted to make — epic, visually very rich and luxurious, magical, mysterious, character-driven, and totally original," Whitta explains. "But what they mostly had was visuals, a kind of mood board for the type of feel they wanted the game to evoke, rather than a specific story or characters. My task was to take those points of inspiration and begin to shape them into some kind of coherent fantasy universe and story."
>"I went away and put together a whole presentation that gave some beginnings of a sense of characters, narrative, and the underlying rules of a new magical fantasy world," Whitta continues. "The people at Square responded quite favorably to that and wanted to take the next step, but once they triggered that process it quickly became clear to me that an undertaking of this scale — the construction of an entirely new universe, with deep mythology and an epic storyline, all to its full potential — required more imagination than I could provide on my own. It’s common practice in the worlds of film and television to assemble a group of talented writers to collaboratively explore and flesh out all the creative possibilities, so I suggested we do just that."
You lied about this before and you're still wrong now.
>presentation >not stuff used in the actual game >only the name athia and tanta was used
literally nothing there contradicts anything I said moron and whitta literally said so himself that just the names of things he came up with were used
he didn't write the story at all
He wrote the shitty setting, and told them to fill it with ugly women and Black folk, he set the theme for what they should do like the completely unlikeable character, and then the writers followed through with his shit, the Cuff thing has Hennig all over it, the world building and premise have Whitta all over it, the moment to moment writing have nepotism all over it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>shitty setting
The setting is great though, what's your problem with the setting? The lore is the only part of Forspoken's story I don't have a problem with, it just feels like an FF world.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Firstly I haven't played Forspoken because even shitposting on Ganker is a better use of literally anyones time, secondly the Black person worshipping male feminist vibes.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>haven't even played the game >makes a post analyzing which part of the story was written by which writer
Dude your entire life is a fraud
11 months ago
Anonymous
I've seen some parts of the game, unfortunately, I'm busy actually playing Pikmin 4, it's better than anything I've played from Square Enix in the last decade at least.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>The lore
Is as cookie cutter as it gets
11 months ago
Anonymous
Okay name another game set in a fantasy empire that just lost a war and had a magical WMD dropped on them. Seems like an interesting setting to me.
11 months ago
Anonymous
What's cookie cutter about it? How is ff16 not more generic?
11 months ago
Anonymous
It’s generic dogshit. Nothing about the game is good.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>generic
You too, name those other games that make this setting generic
Okay name another game set in a fantasy empire that just lost a war and had a magical WMD dropped on them. Seems like an interesting setting to me.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Its better than ff16 and has great gameplay and parkour system
11 months ago
Anonymous
Being better than ginal fantasy is like being taller than a hobbit, it might be accurate but it sure as hell ain't impressive
11 months ago
Anonymous
No he didn't he came up with athia and the Tantas none of whom are even black you moron
frey didn't even exist when he submitted his concepts
and the setting is good, far better written than ff16s setting
11 months ago
Anonymous
God you are coping hard, good to see though, no the setting is shit and he clearly influenced the design of so many things, Whitta is an actual cuck too, he's into this sort of shit, and the game follows.
11 months ago
Anonymous
He didn't write or design anything
he came up with the name athia and tanta and that was it
SE designed everything independently from the writers
11 months ago
Anonymous
It clearly states that he was not only responisble for the world building and characters but also was the lead in terms of writing since he assembled the team of writers for the game, him not writing the game doesn't make it any less shit, it's still the worst writen game in years, it's hilarious that this is a AAA game.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>it
he said otherwise after it released
ff16 has worse writing
>Barry shows up for his autistic routine of mass quoting copy pasta >Flopspoken thread appears
This is the jannies admitting defeat and creating a Barry containment thread themselves.
>protagonist is a strong female who don't need no man >her story begins when she's running from the cops in an American city street. No I'm not kidding >she is suddenly whisked away into another world, a magical world with Deborah Wilson's face scan model, and a bunch of other mutts (no one is white) >she gains magical powers and learns she's actually a princess to a powerful mage >the rest is meaningless because of the constant quips, street slang and cursing
For me it’s >opening implies that she’s being coerced into criminality >promptly reveals that nope, she’s just a thief because >continues to be a selfish shithead, and the only time that the game calls her out on it is the one time she’s perfectly justified >only starts caring because she finds out she’s important
>EVERYONE IS IMPORTANT >IF YOU FEEL UNIMPORTANT, JUST KNOW THAT YOU ARE, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE >especially if it happens that you're the heir of a mystical royal bloodline with superpowers desteined to rule
Gameplay is what it is, no one really talks about it. Like people say "buy it on sale" because they didnt hate playing it.
The writing is pretty bad. Not incompetent but misdirected, they're doing this joss wheaton thing where people say "relatable" dialogue.
The mc is fricking infuriating, she has the power to save people and other people have to beg her to do shit. She cares more about her cat than the people surrounding her who are about to die.
The characters are all ugly.
The world is ugly. The city is horrible to look at.
She is also fricking moronic. Shit like leaving a bag filled with money in her room in a burning building to look for her cat instead of taking it and losing all her money when it catches fire, ortalking with her magical item no one else can here during a trial where one of the magistrates thinks she is either a demon or possessed cause she came from the demon juice wasteland.
It seems to be a family trait, cause her dumb ass mom and her 3 sorceress buddies broke the demon Sussuruss in 4 parts and decided to wear it as israeliteelry. The motherfricker name literally means whisper. They wore the whisperer demon as israeliteelry!
Them, to save her child once she felt the possession coming, she tossed her into a magic portal to NY. Not to her father's house or a orphanage, but in the middle of brigde or tunnel. Something like that.
I sewar, it's almost like she was trying for a late term abortion
every arc in One Piece is Luffy being a fish out of water on a new Island, its like a mini world he goes to and overcomes the next trial and wins over the people while defeating the villain, its worked so well the show/manga has gone of for 20 years.
>What's so bad about this game?
They tried so hard to cater to american liberals that the MC comes off as a satire designed specifically to mock them.
She's essentially a walking checklist of social justice traits in lieu of a personality, and all of it comes together to form a narcissistic selfish c**t that the game insistently expected you to relate to.
Either everyone in the studio is literally tasteless or there had to be some dunderhead upper management that said >eww, that's TOO many ugly black men, why are they so old?!? >how about some texmex POC kids and a white-suburbia black lady as our protag >yeah... I'm getting chills thinking how BADASS this is!!
they took the Black person out of gang culture and anything resembling SR3 should've been a different game. it's almost racist how much they depict every nationality in the game like a caucasian sitcom,I don't like being depicted white
They got absorbed by gearbox. Can guarantee they will do nothing but work as a support studio for Borderlands or maybe at best use the borderlands engine to try one more crack at doing saints row right. Not that it'll work, as gearbox is even more woke than the saints row remake between Borderlands 3 and Tiny Tina's wonderland
Oh they're going to make a sequel and blame the fans again when it doesn't sell except this time a rival gang will be fat computer nerds that type mean stuff about games they haven't played
The people that made this crap need to be excommunicated from the entire industry. I remember seeing that bank robbery mission where you don't do anything but sit there and then drive away. You don't even see the robbery.
The luminous engine must be an absolute clusterfrick
I will never understand this form of marketing, a completely abrasive dickhead talking shit.
Even if the game wasn't trash, this kind of shit puts people off.
Agreed. Maybe they thought it was funny? Like the "John Romere will make you his b***h" marketers apparently thought their shit was?
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Either everyone in the studio is literally tasteless or there had to be some dunderhead upper management that said >eww, that's TOO many ugly black men, why are they so old?!? >how about some texmex POC kids and a white-suburbia black lady as our protag >yeah... I'm getting chills thinking how BADASS this is!!
they took the Black person out of gang culture and anything resembling SR3 should've been a different game. it's almost racist how much they depict every nationality in the game like a caucasian sitcom,I don't like being depicted white
these clowns in the entertainment industry think they're entitled to everyone's money and act like the consumer is their enemy not the people they're specifically supposed to be designing a product for. fricking sad state of the industry and it happens in many aspects of business and government as well. they are supposed to be providing us with services or products we deem worthy of our money not bashing us and expecting money in return like pay piggies
This image right here is everything wrong with the gaming industry today. At least people showed with their wallets and that no, they didn't want this bullshit "reboot" of a SR game at all like they had been saying the entire fricking time.
I will never understand this form of marketing, a completely abrasive dickhead talking shit.
Even if the game wasn't trash, this kind of shit puts people off.
its the same style Gearbox does, despite even their best games being considered cringe as frick, they have this completely blown out of proportions ego that they are the hottest shit to ever exist.
compare it to Larian studios, despite dropping one of the biggest CRPG's ever with all that hype and accolades, I haven't heard shit about them bragging about it.
>spend a quarter of your companies profits on game >write it off >die
What's this maneuver called in the financial world?
he's here
>already coping
>FF16 flopped harder
Lmao no it fricking did not.
Yes it did it literally tanked SEs stock price and pissed off investors
They didn't care about forspoken flopping anywhere near as much as they did ff16 flopping.
>Reactionary journalists can't take five seconds to validate their headlines
XVI sold decently but wasn't in SE's higher-end expectations (and nothing ever is for them), meanwhile the HD division sales were UP after XVI's release while Gacha and MMO divisions were down.
The thing that hit SE's operating income was amortization, i.e. older systems and resources being rendered obsolete and losing worth.
don't you ever reply to me again you abbo Black person else I am dousing your petrol huffing ass in gas and lightning the tiny, coal fuse that is your pecker with my BIC lighter
Go blow your brains out or better yet get murdered by a machete gang you sub human brazillian fricktard
Keep coping because forspoken is more memorable than ff16
>15 continued to sell and has the stronger post launch legs in franchise history and is the highest selling FF on steam too despite that coming over a year after launch and 15 has the highest launch sales in the franchise history, literally the top 3 highest selling FF too
>meanwhile ff16 flopped because ff16 looks like shit
Right I'm glad you agree. FF15 has a very delusional cult base and had a lot of marketing power behind it that tricked people into buying it. After getting burned, they didn't want to buy another one regardless of how good or bad 16 actually is.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>FF15 has a very delusional cult base
I wonder why?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>FF15 has a very delusional cult base
I wonder why?
>bro they tricked people long after release when no marketing was happy to buy it pls belieb me!?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes. I don't know why the concept of people not realizing a game is shit until actually playing it is so shocking to you. >Well this is the big thing and it got a lot of good reviews, better check it out now that it's on steam >Wow this game fricking sucks. Never buying one of these again
It really is that simple.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So you're actually fricking moronic
11 months ago
Anonymous
I'm not the one who can't understand a simple concept. That's (you).
11 months ago
Anonymous
So ff8 sold less than ff7 because ff7 killed ff...
Were Octopath 2's sales called a disappointment on 2 separate investor meetings, Team Asano closed and the devs absorbed back into SE so they can't make any more games by themselves?
They mentioned octopath 2 in the same breath as forspoken when saying it could affect their fiscal target so yes
luminous weren't closed they are literally in cbu2 with team asano you moron
>her first interaction with the world is an animal attack >followed by being escorted to a show trial at spear point >then nearly sentenced to death >”wtf we welcomed you with open arms, why do you want to leave?!”
I love it when writers forget to make edits when they’ve rewritten the script
It’s the most obvious example since TFA
>be orphan in nyc >literally stealing all the time to leave because you don't have family, friends or possessions, have been a criminal your entire life, and a gang wants to murder you >I JUST WISH I COULD GET LOST IN A RABBIT HOLE.PNG >your money gets stolen, your house gets burned down >literally sleeping in a dumpster >about to be an hero >get isekai'd and fly to a magical adventurous land where you have mystical superpowers >I GOT LOST IN A RABBIT HOLE.PNG >spend the rest of the game complaining that you want to go back to nyc, where you were about to commit suicide and were sleeping in a literal dumpster with no cash >only change your mind when you find out you're royalty and have even more magical superpowers
It’s funny because it’s not exactly rocket science to pull off a likeable character from this >make it clear she’s still a nobody have her make use of her existing skills and make it clear the gauntlet’s what gives her any real power from the outset >she accepts the need for help and is grateful for a friend, even if he’s just a magical machine and a smarmy c**t, because of how crushingly lonely she was >make her grateful for a second chance at life and resolved to stay >gameplay has her use her own skills as often as magic, which slowly earns the respect of the entity in the gauntlet which assumed she’d be happy to let him do all the work and take the credit >minor antagonists want to boot her back to her own world >she earns her own place in it >finds out that she’s actually from a lost and important bloodline >when people try to elevate her, she rejects them because she feels this would rob her of her achievements >twist isn’t that the gauntlet is evil and the real reason she has powers, but that the gauntlet was a magic feather for her innate powers, which are evil >the gauntlet was an ancient trap made to make her use those powers, slowly corrupting her, while making her assume she was just a conduit that it needed because she was the first one to pick it up >her rejection of easy power and determination to be her own person makes the gauntlet rebel against its nature and shield her from the power’s influence >game ends with her being special and having a special heritage, but only respected because of everything she did beyond it
I’m willing to bet that some light novel/manga/web series has already done something like this, but it’s not as if they were batting for originality
Shame you didnt get the job anon, much better than what they put out. Still using a coloured unattractive female, it still wouldn't work. Maybe as a novel.
Even her wanting to go back could be written better >While she has no one back IRL, it's still the world she grew up in >She starts missing IRL world stuff >Has a slight struggle with it, which grows a bit more when realizing how good she would have it here >Maybe some insecurity about realizing how lucky she is as well compared to other poor homeless gays IRL?
Like anything else. It would even challenge isekai powerfantasy narrative and do small social commentary from interesting POV.
Like my proposition ain't close to good but I think it would be more interesting at least.
Games like foreclosure are great creative punching bags.
You can come up with any idea, use it to shit on the game, and chances are it will be better than what they came up with
>peace/love hippie mom gets knocked up by nig on first day in NY >single white mom ensues >immediately give custody of the baby to the state via portal
She never stood a chance
She didn't. The incompetent Japs did it themselves.
Make it 3d Anime and the NPCs cute and the game would've done great it only failed because of the terrible artstyle.
This. It was Black person the game. Why would anyone wants to play it? Most SE games are carried by artists and in game models. SE tried to pandar to americans and Black folk and failed.
>SQUARE ENIX HEADQUARTERS >KONNICHIWA HONDA SAN, OUR RESEARCH INDICATES THAT Black folk ARE POPULAR THING NOWADAYS, WE SHOULD MAKE A GAME ABOUT ONE, IT WILL PRINT MONEY IN THE WEST >SUGOI IDEA MITSUBISHI KUN, PLEASE TRANSFER 100 MILLION DORRARRU FOR THE PROJECT >HAI, ARIGATOO
>thinking FF has a chance after the insane hype surrounding BG3
You don't even have to like CRPGs or BG3, the fact that people are salivating over it means the normies will vote for it, compared to another JRPG borefest
It was a Square Enix game about Black folk when SE players are into anime and fanservice. It's just SE killing itself with a big dose of ESG. Everyone was excited for that tech demo Agni's Philosophy but instead they gave us jungle Black
this is some weird cherry-picking cope
are you also the one inciting because Forspoken flopped so hard they sent Square Enix into the red, by blaming it solely on FF16?
DF said forspoken runs better than ff16 and that forspoken is solid 60fps on perf mode and they even increased the resolution while increasing frame rate too in one of the updates
ff16 is 720p sub 60fps on perf and never hits stable 30fps on quality
Um excuse me CHUDS but Luminous wasn't killed off they are actually now secretly working on FF17!! They were not scattered throughout the company to be code b***hes!
Brittany Spears bought luminous. She's remaking 15 but with 4 hot lesbians and real magic instead of grenades.
Ngl I'm kind pissed at you right now. I just read the tweet and realized you stole Lumby Who is Giga and Dogbower.
Starting to think all your work is stolen. Post proof you're not a fraud with an original DMon.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No wonder ff16 flopped
Cool, can you stop posting a picture of a forspoken story important character that has a cutscene specific model, please?
>literally posts kh4 main story character vs some random throwaway npc never in any cutscene
I posted a kh4 npc shown in a cutscene specifically
stop coping
11 months ago
Anonymous
Who is this Kyle that your stole Lumby from? I will just ask him for DMons since you can only steal other people's work.
11 months ago
Anonymous
ok barry
XVI bombed so hard cbu3 were vetoed from doing ff17
cope larry
11 months ago
Anonymous
I told you already, I'm hkmon. You need to get your head mates sorted out.
Now you know the routine
That chart does not include DIGITAL releases.
90% of sales in the UK are digital based not physical.
We can look at August 6th August 12th for proof positive and what do we see?
Rather what do we not see?
Not Baldurs Gate 3 anywhere on that chart when it was released in the UK on August 3rd.
Barry once again a fricking moron.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>90%
*including dlc, mtx, online only games and mmos skewing the %
So no
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Forspoken was 7th most downloaded PS5 game in January >DNQ for top 20 in February >DNQ for top 20 in March >DNQ for top 20 in April >DNQ for top 20 in May >DNQ for top 20 in June >DNQ for top 20 in July
Just because the studio is dying doesn't mean we've defeated her. She's a shapeshifting demon who will continue manifesting herself no matter how many studios she kills. In fact she has already used the game Viewfinder to re-establish her connection to our dimension and continue tormenting humanity.
forspoken is just a quality game that the absolutely braindead noosphere was not able to handle. lmao
did you know there's a bossfight in this city against a giant flying bird and you have to parkour on the houses and chase it around the sky. insane fight
>think Barry might have a minor redemption >go on quest to find late night mom >she's ai slop >she's gross fat
Why cant you have 1 redeeming factor, Barry?
I don’t know why morons are trying to argue over graphic fidelity when the fact that forspoken is a boring repetitive mess of trash that you experience the sun of content within the first 2 hours. Therefore already cementnitng it as a mediocre product. Any other argument is just throwing stones at shattered glass
>the sun of content within the first 2 hours
your dont even gave 1/4 of your abilities until after the first 4 hours what are you talking about? the subsequent magic styles completely change how you play the game and the minutiae of combat
If the game were to have a cute animu waifu and typical JRPG writing instead of israelite californian jokes would it be a good game?
Because the core gameplay seems pretty bland to me
Um excuse me CHUDS but Luminous wasn't killed off they are actually now secretly working on FF17!! They were not scattered throughout the company to be code b***hes!
Reminder that Freys mom is a "tanta" a spiritual embodiment of love, you know like one the endless from sandman lore.
She took a trip to NY, had a one night stand with a Black person, got preggers and then left the child as an orphan in ny with strangers.
>frey is a thief >the isekai orphan Black person girl is also a thief >frey's father is also a Black person, and pumps and dumps Cinta on a one night stand
is forspoken secretly based?
>spend whole budget on character model >can only afford 100 more polygons for world building
Should have used a better engine like RPGMaker, Godot, or Tony Hawk Underground'l Create-a-park.
What he meant to say was that it made more revenue than octopath 2 did because flopspoken cost 70 dollars while octopath 2 was 60.
it did not actually sell more copies.
Forspoken was on npd top 20 best selling chart from January to end of may
Octopath was on it fron feb to end of april
forsp was already price dropped by march so what it kept selling kept it in top 20 til end of march despite the reduced price
Or are you trying to claim octopath 2 with whatever % of the 1m it did in the US at $60 isnt enough to beat forspoken? octopath wouldve done majority of its sales in the US, same as forspoken
So lets say like 800k octopath 2 sold in the US at $60, so thats not more revenue than what forspoken would need to be ahead of it?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Forspoken was on npd top 20 best selling chart from January to end of may >Octopath was on it fron feb to end of april
in dollar sales >so what it kept selling kept
No, it had a head start since it cost more. Every month it dropped because more popular games launched and made more money.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes moron in dollar sales, if octopath did 800k at $60 then that means forspoken did anywhere from 700k to 1m since its price dropped in march
11 months ago
Anonymous
>moron in dollar sales
but not more copies like you claimed with >It outsold octopath 2 which did 1m
11 months ago
Anonymous
Are you fricking moronic? Let's say for argument sake Forspoken sold 500k at launch in the US
500k x $70 = $35m
30% off of $35m so $24m
Forspoken on NPD ranked higher than Octopath 2, ergo OT2 would need to have less revenue than Forspoken in the US
In February npd Octopath 2 didn't even rank on the top 20 YTD despite ranking 10th for February itself
Octopath 2 in the US in Feb was below Wild Hearts which was 8th, Octopath 10th
Wild Hearts on the YTD chart in feb was 20th, Forspoken was 10th
Forspoken only cost $10 more than octopath so the difference is not simply because of higher price, it is because Forspoken sold more
We know Octopath 2 did 1m worldwide
We know most of its sales are in the US
We know Octopath 2 did 120k in Japan
We know Forspoken is ahead of Octopath 2 on NPD and UK and EU charts, while only Switch version of OT2 is ahead of Forspoken in Japan
Let's say Octopath 2 did 600k in the US
600k x $60 = $36m
30% off that $36m is $25m
That can't be right, Forspoken made more revenue
Hmm so lets say Forspoken did 550k at launch
550k x $70 = $38.5m
30% off $38.5m so $26m
Hmm yeah that fits with Forspoken making more revenue
But what's this, Forspoken stayed on til end of may and its price dropped by march? So that number could be anywhere from 600k or more
It doesn't matter if Octopath cost $10 less, eventually Forspoken was $20 below Octopath and yet its beating it in the US, last we saw it beat it in the US, EU too
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Octopath studio status? Alive >Flopspoken studio status? Dead
Octopath won by virtue of not being a 70m dollar write off
>spend a quarter of your companies profits on game >write it off >die
What's this maneuver called in the financial world?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Luminous are in CBU2
Team amano are in CBU2
Asano said hd2d cost a lot more than people think and take years to make
OT2 was not that cheap
>this was born as a result of trying to hide the failure of FF15... Seriously funny
They're still shitting on 15 & flopspoken lmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Forcepoken
Why was this enough to make me laugh
11 months ago
Anonymous
Oof. Even the netizens are bullying Barry. Must be rough
11 months ago
Anonymous
>this was born as a result of trying to hide the failure of FF15... Seriously funny
They're still shitting on 15 & flopspoken lmao
xvi cultists on suicide watch
they're even saying tabata is better than yoshitpiss
11 months ago
Anonymous
nobody cares about either 15, 16 or flopshit, why are you like this
react man, it's not too late
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Forcepoken
Why was this enough to make me laugh
They're shitting harder on FF16 but keep coping
There even says forspoken and ff15 look better than ff16
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Bazzy's own sources btfoing him again
lol
11 months ago
Anonymous
>source >literally a message board where everyone is shitting on ff16 and countless people saying 15 is better even forspoken is better
theyee even shitting on the ff16 dialog and saying the "final fantasy" line clive says to ultima is the most embarrassing shit in ff history
11 months ago
Anonymous
xvi-kun you cant read I take it?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>https://krsw.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1691722163?v=pc
That thread is really eye opening into the mindset of Japs. The talk is mostly about the cost of the game engine used for FF15, flopspoken and FF16.
The overrall consensus being the development cost for the game engines are starting to sink SE and need to decide what they want to do going forward. Are they going to stick with FF16's game engine or go with UE engine as the FF15/ Flopspoken studio/ game engine was trash.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Probably UE5 since KH4 and FF7R2 are using it.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Probably UE5 since KH4 and FF7R2 are using it.
No they're practically unanimous in luminous being better than the trash ff16 engine or what ue4 has done and they keep shitting on ff16s terrible graphics
11 months ago
Anonymous
Keep reading the thread, they go hard against FF15/ Flopspoken and Luminous Engine. They use "Light" "In the Sky" "In the Clouds" to all describe Luminous engine and are describing that Engine and it's Open World lack of versatility with the lighting engine.
11 months ago
Anonymous
That's literally not what they're saying moron they are shitting on THE FF16 ENGINE FOR ITS TERRIBLE LIGHTING AND POOR USE OF LIGHT THAT THEY ARE SAYING IS WORSE THAN 15 OR FORSPOKEN
11 months ago
Anonymous
Like I said, keep reading.
11 months ago
Anonymous
>3 completely different comments to what you just claimed
moron the entire thread is dedicated to shitting on FF16s terrible engine and practically everyone is saying it looks worse than 15 and that they should have used luminous for 16
11 months ago
Anonymous
How can you read those posts and think it's not shitting on Luminous and FF15/ Flopspoken? You really are schizophrenic kek.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You made him a wittle angy
11 months ago
Anonymous
The thread is shitting on FF16s bad lighting, the whole "too dark" thing is because FF16 has bad lighting in the dark
11 months ago
Anonymous
>No they're practically unanimous
Literally every upcoming Triple A game by Square right now uses anything but Luminous. It's over, trannie. Even FF Pixel Remaster doesn't use Luminous but Unity.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Are you fricking moronic? CBU2 aka LP are the only team who used it and are still using in now as CBU2
>hurr but these games that released before lumipro became regular SE again
What's your point? only 1 team uses the ff16 engine, not even ff14 is using the ff16 engine it was a new engine made from it
11 months ago
Anonymous
CBU2 has been using Unreal Engine you idiot Flopspokentrannie since they made Dragon Quest 11 which again is their most valuable IP next to Final Fantasy. The Flopspoken Team got dissolved and was not part of CBU2. Their team was called the Luminous Team because they were using Luminous and now it's scattered throughout SE. Bravely Default whcih also is their pet project doesn't use Luminous as well >Spamming same picture not proving shit
Lol, lmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
>picture has the devs using luminous engine listed as CBU2 with a new luminous engine tech thing to be shown august 24th 2023
so you're just moronic?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Wild Hearts
also cost 70 dollars >We know Octopath 2 did
1m worldwide >It doesn't matter if Octopath cost $10 less
Oh it does, because you brought up a dollar based chart.
>dollar sales
so just as that other anon said, you're talking out your ass and you have no proof that Forspoken sold more units
11 months ago
Anonymous
moron UK is unit sales and forspoken is ahead
And in the US the fact forsp lasted a whole month longer on the chart desperate being price droped by then than octopath 2 did also means it sold more than octopath 2 too
the only place octopath 2 outsold forspoken was on the switch in japan
forspoken steam version alone outsold octopath 2s japan switch+ps4+ps5 sales
So you got no sales data, okay then. Flopspoken only sold below 1.000.000 copies which is confirmed by Square not giving away any data. Octopath sold more than Flopspoken.
>spend whole budget on character model >can only afford 100 more polygons for world building
Should have used a better engine like RPGMaker, Godot, or Tony Hawk Underground'l Create-a-park.
Not it definitely flopped much worse than FF16. Flopspoken copies were literally thrown in the garbage, that's an E.T. level of flop, FF16 was just mediocre by AAA standards.
Anons, please. Somebody hold me, and tell me that the dude defending forspoken so furiously is doing it ironically, playing 5d chess or something and being seven steps ahead of us.
I refuse to believe that someone can be so out of touch with reality.
It's Barry, newfriend.
An aboriginal mulatto from Australia that's deeply mentally ill.
He was similarly obsessed about FFXV, and he's been schizoposting for years now.
I've known for years but I still refuse to believe this person is real. I'd rather believe it's a psyop or something. It's too tragic.
>Ganker
He has like 6 active twitter accounts and he does the same shit on reddit and troonyera. He legit spends every single day posting this garbage everywhere he can
It's Barry, newfriend.
An aboriginal mulatto from Australia that's deeply mentally ill.
He was similarly obsessed about FFXV, and he's been schizoposting for years now.
it's all one guy. barry is legitimately the most autistic person on Ganker
It's Barry, newfriend.
An aboriginal mulatto from Australia that's deeply mentally ill.
He was similarly obsessed about FFXV, and he's been schizoposting for years now.
43 reviews and mostly positive
xvi-kun malding
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I've known for years but I still refuse to believe this person is real. I'd rather believe it's a psyop or something. It's too tragic.
xvi cultists are utterly mindbroken over ff16 losing to forspoken lmao
He wrote the worlds lore and back story and is credited as the lead writier, and it's evident the the core premise was designed bye him whereas moment to moment writing wasn't so clearly he had a lot of control, also why the frick are you watcing Forspoken dev livestreams.
Yeah, he didn't moment to moment he bug brushed elements like the women mages, and you have to cast a Black person as the main and all kinds of moronic shit that basically killed the game as is.
Were Octopath 2's sales called a disappointment on 2 separate investor meetings, Team Asano closed and the devs absorbed back into SE so they can't make any more games by themselves?
So after you spent a day arguing with with this imaginary person called "barry" what do you get out of it exactly
Do you go tell tales about it during family dinner >yeah mom I post a pic of steam reviews and he had NOTHING >that nice sweety, remember to eat your meds after the meal
Why are modern Ganker posters afraid of actually quoting people they're talking to? Is it a lack of father figures that make them too timid for confrontation even on an anonymous image board?
You insane fricks are spamming every forspoken thread with your fricking off topic.
Frick off
GO MAKE A BARRY THREAD TO TALK ABOUT BARRY
GO MAKE A FINAL FRICK THREAD TO TALK ABOUT FINAL FRICK
????
>sabotaged, neglected and ultimatelly kicked off the company >spent a whole decade trying to get his games to work >succeeds
Man, Takahashi must be feeling vindicated.
>be a black ass gansta gurl straight outta da hood >have no dad, cant stop stealing, cant fit in >jumped into a fantasy world >meet another gangsta black young queen >she is also a thief with no dad
Was Forspoken based?
Forspoken success means Black personification and americanization age of Square Enix would've come upon us. It's failure is one of best things to ever happen to SE.
>the FFXV guys were very eager to announce every major milestone that game hit >the same team didn't say anything about Forspoken's sales and never even announced 1 million
grim
SoP = 72+67+66+50(dlc) = 63 average
Forspoken = 64+63+71(dlc) = 66 average
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Stranger of Paradise has a higher userscore average
11 months ago
Anonymous
SoP = 72+67+66+50(dlc) = 63 average
Forspoken = 64+63+71(dlc) = 66 average
cope
Luminous Team is dead and Dragon Quest 12 will use Unreal Engine 5 you coping Flopspokentrannie. DQ11 as well used UE4 lmao.
Luminous team are literally in cbu2 still using luminous engine and stated they are still on AAA dev as a team you fricking moron
11 months ago
Anonymous
They are literally scattered iN Square Enix you fricking mongoloid having to do work on other games and Dragon Quest 12 is CBUII's Triple A baby
11 months ago
Anonymous
No they arent you fricking moron they are literally all in cbu2 as a single AAA team working on a new AAA existing SE IP and still using luminous engine as their cedec panel next week shows
They arent on dq12 you stupid frick
DQ isn't even AAA
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Spamming the same image that doesn't confirm your own statement
Look at the rules moron. DQ is Square's most valuable IP besides FF you fricking mongoloid lmao
11 months ago
Anonymous
So you can't fricking read?
How can you read those posts and think it's not shitting on Luminous and FF15/ Flopspoken? You really are schizophrenic kek.
How are you this fricking illiterate? Its literally shitting on FF16 and yoshitpiss, they're even posting pictures of why ff16 is so shit
11 months ago
Anonymous
I accept your concession, Flopspokentrannie.
11 months ago
Anonymous
So you're fricking blind and moronic?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Flopspokentrannie has no argument
Guessed so
11 months ago
Anonymous
>xvi cultist cant even read the thread which is literally shitting on ff16s terrible graphics and saying ff16 should have used luminous because its a waste to not use it
11 months ago
Anonymous
DQ isn't AAA you dumb frick
How can you read those posts and think it's not shitting on Luminous and FF15/ Flopspoken? You really are schizophrenic kek.
So you cant read?
CBU2 has been using Unreal Engine you idiot Flopspokentrannie since they made Dragon Quest 11 which again is their most valuable IP next to Final Fantasy. The Flopspoken Team got dissolved and was not part of CBU2. Their team was called the Luminous Team because they were using Luminous and now it's scattered throughout SE. Bravely Default whcih also is their pet project doesn't use Luminous as well >Spamming same picture not proving shit
Lol, lmao
Are you fricking moronic and blind? Luminous became part of CBU2 in MAY 2023
whatever they were doing before that is irrelevant
the Luminous team are now CBU2s AAA team and are literally still using lum the same way they did as BD2
Nothing was dissolved you stupid frick
Read
Are you fricking moronic? CBU2 aka LP are the only team who used it and are still using in now as CBU2
>hurr but these games that released before lumipro became regular SE again
What's your point? only 1 team uses the ff16 engine, not even ff14 is using the ff16 engine it was a new engine made from it
They were called BUSINESS DIVISION 2 and used luminous only you moron, they then rebranded as luminous productions in 2018 then just rebranded as a regular SE team in CBU2 now in 2023
SE little said theyre on AAA dev
Their cedec panel for next week IS LIFO FOR LUMINOUS ENGINE WHICH HAS THE DEVS LISTED AS CBU2
How are you this fricking moronic?
11 months ago
Anonymous
>DQ isn't AAA you dumb frick
Look at the Flopspokentrannie thinking Dragon Quest isn't Triple A LMAO
11 months ago
Anonymous
DQ isn't AAA you dumb frick
11 months ago
Anonymous
>DQ isn't AAA you dumb frick
Based on what exactly?
11 months ago
Anonymous
Based on budget, based on how little it gets
DQ is not big anywhere outside Japan you moron
fricking DQ11 didn't even have orchestral music or voice acting when it released in Japan
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Based on budget, based on how little it gets
Which you don't know. >DQ is not big anywhere outside Japan
That doesn't mean it isn't AAA. >didn't even have orchestral music
that doesn't make something AAA.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes we do, production level is AA tier for mainline DQ at best
>literally no marketing outside Japan >dq11 had no orchestral music or voice acting when it first released, literally had midi music >both dq11 versions heavily outsourced to external studios doing the actual work
Yes it does moron, music is expensive to record especially orchestral stuff, when the original release didn't have it it was because it didn't have the budget because it was mid budget
it only got added in a seperate release which costs only had the English version and music recording since the AA Costs of the game already made its money back in japan alone
it has no marketing outside Japan at all
fricking dq11 barely sold 400k outside Japan
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes we do
Which you did not source >at best
so you're guessing >heavily outsourced to external studios doing the actual work
sounds like xv and forspoken. >it only got added in a seperate release
sounds like more money added to the budget. >fricking dq11 barely sold 400k
Which you did not source
https://www.rpgsite.net/news/10267-dragon-quest-xi-and-xi-s-surpass-6-million-in-shipments-and-digital-sales-worldwide
6 million total as of 2 years ago.
What I find interesting is that SE themselves consider DQ AND KH as their AAA ips alongside FF. But I'm sure you know more than SE does.
11 months ago
Anonymous
No they arent you fricking moron they are literally all in cbu2 as a single AAA team working on a new AAA existing SE IP and still using luminous engine as their cedec panel next week shows
They arent on dq12 you stupid frick
DQ isn't even AAA
Sir please stop spamming the thread with the same image
11 months ago
Anonymous
>literally shows SE is still using luminous >nooooo stop btfoing meeee
I really can't comprehend the thought process that makes characters like this. It would have been so easy to make her relatable and sympathetic but they completely miss the mark at every opportunity. It truly was written by Tumblr.
>struck out
Imagine having a studio so notorious for bad games that they actively removed their name from its already dead products
Then imagine simping for that dead studio kek
>game opens with her getting arrested because she's homeless and has to live off crime to survive >is cornered and has a gun pulled on her >is actively being hunted after having the abandoned building she lives in burned to the ground in another attempt to kill her >taken away to a magical land where she has superpowers and shelter and food >"FRICK ALL OF YOU YOU ALL DESERVE TO DIE I WISH I WAS BACK HOME"
unbelievably dogshit premise. who the frick could possibly want to return to a place where you have an arrest and two attempts on your life on an average day?
>video game in the vein of Dark Cloud 2 with city building where you play as Rimiru fighting things in dungeons while getting stuff to build up your nation state
honestly, that’s a realistic reaction. People like what they’re used to. Hence why you can see third worlders destroying the west to make it feel more like home.
>Hence why you can see third worlders destroying the west to make it feel more like home.
Isn't that the opposite? Cororporate Burgers invading other countries destroying their economics and homes to keep their established power at the top?
He seemed to get through the combat with no difficulties at all. Why would doing flashier moves that take more time and effort make him better at the game when he doesn't have to?
playing on dogshit easy difficulty against weak mobs in a demo for newbies vs playing the hardest difficulty against actual core fights and mixing all of your support spells together with instant lv3 charge attacks, including swapping between magic types and keeping your battle rank high.
oh yeah you just wanna make disingenuous arguments as a shitter who didn't actually play this.
I remember FF15 the hardest difficulty could be easily gotten through basically on auto-pilot and this looks very similar to FF15 so I don't believe you when you say that.
Sell it to me. The game can have a glut of options, but if the optimal strategy is as braindead as it is in FF15, I probably won't be interested.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Nobody has to sell you on shit when you're the one still posting a webm of a moronic kh shill troon from twitter playing the demo on easy mode wrong from over a month before the actual game released too
11 months ago
Anonymous
Alright this looks very flashy, but very little is actually happening on the screen. The enemies being braindead and mostly just standing there doesn't help.
I remember FF15 the hardest difficulty could be easily gotten through basically on auto-pilot and this looks very similar to FF15 so I don't believe you when you say that.
Stop embarrassing yourself already SBK91
you never even played 15
kh3, kh2fm, 7r and 16 are all easier than ff15
I don't know about this Black personism coping about FF16.
Who the frick cares about FF16? Yes it's a piece of fricking doghist, that doesn't mean this other particular piece of fricking dosghist is any better.
It has to suck to be a schizo.
This is not about being white or black anymore. This is about an agenda this fricking sjw and troons have. They want to get rid of every alpha male character out there and be replaced with boss girls who no need man and can solve everything. Indiana Jones, Nick Fury, The Witcher. Tha's just a few examples of this agenda. And more shit will come.
Why is that every time there's an ugly female character reddit or resetera tries their best into tricking us into thinking the character is actually 10/10?
They did the same thing with the Fable character.
Is Forspoken Square's biggest game flop ever? I know Avengers did incredibly poorly, but I would think it didn't do nearly as bad solely due to brand recognition and people buying without knowing better.
>No it wasnt
You don't need to cope. We can all see that it bombed and killed the studio and we know you're moronic but a CEO getting fired a week after Flopspoken released, a pet project of him, ain't no coincidence
Who the frick is this speg who keeps bringing up FFXVI and why? Two games from the same company, so why is he dickriding the one that even reviewers hated?
just a mentally ill Aussie that's been obsessed with FF15 then Forspoken for a few years. they're known.
They were caught being into troony porn last year in wowg
just a mentally ill Aussie that's been obsessed with FF15 then Forspoken for a few years. they're known.
They were caught being into troony porn last year in wowg
Our favorite punching bag
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lol
lmao even
Oof. Even the netizens are bullying Barry. Must be rough
ff16 lost to Forspoken thats why
the xvi cultists are mindbroken over it
Everyone who played it did. Some lefties noticed that there's 2 black chicks in the game and they're orphan thieves. Others jsut got mega bugged eraly versions and dropped it.
Barry. His game lost to literally every Square Enix game ever made. It's such a catastrophic failure it killed the development studio, engine and fired the previous CEO
Barry. His game lost to literally every Square Enix game ever made. It's such a catastrophic failure it killed the development studio, engine and fired the previous CEO
got me thinking lately how writers are often responsible for killing games
gameplay might be boring but it's the story and dialogue that kills it, like forspoken and nu-saints row
but then again, redfall died due to turbo shit gameplay
>reveal got me hyped >looked cool and fun >but it launched and reviews were out >it's shit >50 GB too big >optimized like ass >main character is muslim girl >all enemies are boring robots because no blood allowed haha >focus on mtx and skins >murdered by publisher after a year or so
gameplay was pretty jank as well
>gets magic bracelet >Teleported to fantasy world >Can throw shit with her mind
YOOOO THAT WAS ALL ME >Magical bracelet that started all this speaks to her and tells her she's using his power
AINT NO WAY. THIS IS ME, NOT THE MAGIC MCGUFFIN >Loses bracelet and thus powers
WHAT DA FRICK!?!?
I fricking hate her character more than any other. It's unbelievable that "Not Important" from Hatred is a more likable character.
>tried to argue Hi-Fi Rush was a AAA game to make Forspoken look like the underdog going up against it >Now he's trying to say Dragon Quest isn't AAA so LumiPro devs must be working on FF17 rather than DQ
Barry these claims of yours are getting ridiculous
HFR is AAA because it has voice acting and high production music and a huge dev team with AAA backing
DQ is AA level at best and isnt anywhere in that level, that fricking one piece odysee game cost more than DQ11 did
Also luminous devs are specifically stated to be doing engine development AND aaa game dev of existing SE AAA IP AND we know they are doing luminous engine development in cbu2 meaning they are still using luminous
also DQ12 is only managed by cbu2 not developed
it's pretty unfair to blame the chick for the marvel tier writing, the incompetent developers or the moronic marketers
she just has a terrible agent
She was in Netflix Resident Evil too. I guess being Polish and black is a lethal combination for entertainment companies
Ella's a pretty girl; I just think she's got a terrible agent.
nobody wants to see a black person be a hero. blacks are only heros to other blacks. the governments forced us to treat them like humans. not even being racest. this is just history at this point. blacks make up 2% of the gaming population, most of them are walled off in the xbox and ps4 landscape so we dont notice them. log into a cross plat game like cod or apex, and youll deal with the dumbest baboons youve ever met.
>blacks are only heros to other blacks
Not even. The shoehorning of blacks only appeals to self hating white suburbanites.
And Charlie’s Angels.
>Ugly MC
Her fault to
IRL she looks fine, it's a classic case of lazy facescanning making the models look awful
She looks like a disgusting lizard IRL. You can see the scales shift under that synthetic skin of hers.
>lazy facescanning
incels still fail to realise the "lazy facescans" is how most women really look without an hour of makeup
how the frick the ugly prostitute next to the Black person even made it there? holy shit she's ugly
You're moronic
She looks good in game too
Those aren't even copies of the game you moron
FF16 flopped harder
Luminous is in CBU2 you moron
>FF16 flopped harder
Lmao no it fricking did not.
luminous does not exist anymore in any way, shape or form
its developers were either fired or reassigned to other projects
flopspoken is the biggest frick up in the history of squenix imho, even the ceo had to resign
dats a man
cope
she's an 11/10 irl dumbass
looks like AIslop somehow
if you think that's an 11/10 you must've never seen a white woman before
Kstew looks like an autistic rat next to her
Holy shit I thought the massive tooth gap was the modeller's creative decision.
Bella is the ugly friend in her own game.
i refuse to believe they are the same...holy shit
They aren't, she's only her VA not her facescan
I didn't know facescans could miss
They had to make her uglier to not outshine the lady with missing front tooth
She's not a facescan of her VA
>she's an 11/10 irl dumbass
That's a 3/10 at best.
California 7
But it's funny, and actually makes me like her more to think of it that way.
It's almost charming to be that destructive to anything you're a part of
>But it's funny, and actually makes me like her more to think of it that way.
I thought the same and gave her game a chance. It still wasn't good. The gameplay gets interrupted by popups and npcs every few minutes. It's a terrible experience
the joke is that the character and her game killed the studio, not the actress you simp
maybe, but she's not a positive for this game, and whoever had the idea to write "marvel tier" story also had the idea to include such character in the game, it goes hand in hand
the only way this neo liberal ideology can be spread is by burning the old renown brands
But why does everyone keep falling for this shit
People who used to care about money over everything
Its like they're all being mind controlled
Vanguard owns 2.1% of Square Enix Holdings apparently
i guess humans are actual cattle and israelites were right...
It’s the result of long development and sunk cost
>see forced trend
>see moronic twitterites agreeing with it
>see one or two hits using it, and fail to grasp that they were parasitically latched to an IP too big to fail
>start development
>double down on the moronic elements
>spend six years in development
>in the meantime see other projects with the same idea as you come out and bomb like Nagasaki
>you’ve now spend millions of dollars and years of development time for a product nobody wants and no way to salvage any costs
>go for broke and try to blitz it with a marketing campaign, hoping to clinch as many week one/preorder sales as possible before everyone finds out how shit it is
>manage to go for broke very successfully, just not in the way they intended
There's no way you haven't heard about ESG at this point.
This is true for most characters
>Writer writes character to be unlikeable
>People act like that's how the characters race or whatever act, even though a white guy wrote them
Its even worse on sites like tumbrl where there've been so many mass death threats sent to actors because their characters aren't gay they've changed the writing mid story just to appease them
Working in a 100 million dollar project sounds pretty sweet deal on paper. Hindsight is 20/20
Everyone blames the character primarily who is the result of horrendous casting and writing decisions, don't know how the Nips working on the game were somehow convinced that a Black person in a fantasy setting would be a big seller, but I'm glad it happened, maybe they will learn something, maybe some Japanese studios will learn something, most likely no lesson will be learned by a single person that none of this shit is wanted.
We don't want Black person centered games
We don't want try hard quippy Marvel tier writing
We don't want ugly face capped actors in a fantasy setting
We don't want contemporary Black person american culture pushed hard in Japanese games
Forspoken cost at least 100 million dollars to make with a staff of about 400 people, Square Enix could have invested in remasters of their entire NES to PSX era collection of games which would have cost as much taken less time and resources and made more money, that's how big of a frick up this is.
>maybe some Japanese studios will learn something
I've long given up on Japs learning their lesson about trying to appeal to murrican sensibilities, whatever they think those are
They are like moths to the flame
This. Japs will try to pandar to american some more. They will never blame Black, ugly females, censor or american pandering. Just like how when Atelier Ryza games become successful they sid they will kill fanservice. They're ready to throw their fanbase into fire for the mutt dream. They will throw huge amount of money on westernized shit while refusing to give Bravely Default good budget and delivered the shitty BD2 on switch.
Things are looking bad, at least we can enjoy the flops and inevitable layoffs, maybe the acquisition of a bunch of Japanese studios by MS so we can all collectively write them off and never think of them again.
There are two Americas right now
Old school religious straight white rural boisterous patriotic rad lads.
Games like metal wolf chaos are based off these types
New Woke non-religious urban multicultural POC LGBT self hating quiplords.
Games like forsaken are based off this type
I really hope the United States has another civil war.
This game was the result of terrible market readings by Square.
They saw that western games were pushing for globohomo, racial diversity and mahvel movie scripts so they hired some american israelites to do all the writing/character casting/design for them. What they did not read is that most consumers never liked that crap, even less the idea of a japanese dev going down that road
So basically Square is lead by drunken monkeys, breaking news
>but I'm glad it happened, maybe they will learn something, maybe some Japanese studios will learn something
They already know, everyone knows it, they do it not because they think it's a good idea but because they want ESG investors money
>esg money
They could way more with a hit, I'm expecting Super Mario RPG to sell like 10 million units over it's lifetime, Square Enix wouldn't get that much from ESG investments, and even then those are investments, they are selling their equity for that money, the money from Super Mario RPG will be flat cash.
I don't know how much ESG money they get, but I know that last year Blackrock lost $1.7 trillion. That's a lot of money.
And every company probably thinks they can get away with a successful product while still getting the ESG money.
>Blackrock lost $1.7 trillion
holy shit that's microsoft-scale money
Blackrock and it's parent company Vanguard are overseeing $9.1 trillion while their actual worth is around $118 billion.
Don't forget State Street
Blackrocks wealth isn't liquid cash, it would be almost entirely in investments, that money wasn't loot because it was poured into companies, that money was lost because their investments lost value.
>...somehow convinced that a Black person in a fantasy setting would be a big seller
I honestly want to play a game where a gangbanger or something similar is isekai'd into a fantasy setting and after a long series of shenaningas you become the first knight of the realm and something. Would be written like a comedy of course.
Sounds like shit, have fun.
watch black knight (2001)
He ain't a gangbanger thought, he is just one of those guys that dresses and talks like one to feel tough and scare whitey or some shit, cause he works at a park
Will watch anons, thank you 😀
This was meant to be taken as a joke, because it's comedy. Hell it even has some funny scenes in it.
But they would frick it up. No wayxthey would do a angry 50 cent look-alike gang banger who bumbles his way through magic adventures with a magic tec 9 who is inaccurate but has infinite ammunition.
He would be a ironic, "poor me" kind of criminal this day and age. Like the Saints Row new crew of absolute gays
Black knight?
Underrated comedy kino:
isn't that just isekai Rance?
>Chris Tucker Isekai'd
>Jackie chan bracelet
>tucker: ahhhhhh! did you see that shit moved on its own!?
>chan: not own on. I help. Focus chakra.. ki.. you know like magic.
>tucker: homie das a ghost. get me off this damn haunted island
I'd buy it
>Snoop Dog isekais into a chink's cultivation series.
>Cultivates magic weed that chills the cultitor homies
>he who forgets that heavenly bullshit and chills the frick out will have taken the path of snoopdog
Rush Hour 4 sounds wild.
Japan is financially insolvent, has 11 trillion dollars of US debt, and is reliant on institutional investment firms for cashflow and collateralized loans.
They will not learn anything, they will kiss the ring for the money.
Kodansha, the biggest LN, and manga publisher in Japan, and the world, launched a transgender Idol pageant. It also greenlit and financed several novels that feature transgenders. It also financed anime adaptations with transgenders, the notable ones from last season being, Skip to Loafer, and Heavenly Delusion.
You need to start paying more attention. Any and all anime adaptations that have Kodansha, PJ, and KOEI Temco as publishers, have started including Black folk as of 4 seasons ago. They all did it in concert, so you can tell it's not organic.
Did you really think the israelites would give the goyim respite? The moment people stopped watching Hollywood, marvelslop, and TV, and shifted to anime, the israelites realized they had to capture the industry. Media and entertainment are vehicles for propaganda, you can't allow the goyim to resist the agitprop by switching up their entertainment diet.
They captured Kodansha and Jump.
They captured Funimation.
They captured HiLive.
They captured translation and localization.
They captured several JP gaming companies, including Namco, Temco, Capcom, Platinum, and are in the process of consuming even more.
Being hopeful is akin to being ignorant.
>has 11 trillion dollars of US debt
Almost all of their debt is Japanese 70% of their debt is just the bank of Japan, with almost all of the other bonds being owned by other Japanese institutions. Square Enix is not Japan, and the money they will get from foreign investments is chump change, it's big to them bcause of how hard they are floundering, but say for Nintendo, Pikmin 4 will have covered the entirety of Forspokens budget as well as it's own development budget.
I'm hopeful but not expecting things to change.
No, 11 trillion US dollars of US treasury bonds. I don't expect a NEET on Ganker to know how it works.
Moreover, Square-Enix is a hilarious example, because it demonstrates how the process works.
Yasuhiro Fukushima owns 20% of the stock, but he is effectively powerless, because JP Morgan and Chase, Statestreet, The Bank of Japan and the Bank of New York, collectively own over 20%, and they get more votes in Shareholders meetings. It's obvious their priorities align, so they vote in concert.
That's how companies end up being blackmailed or bribed or extorted into ESG quotas, ESG-conditional loans, and ESG-reliant obligations. You either play ball, or you risk a 20% rag pull, which translates to abject collapse.
>No, 11 trillion US dollars of US treasury bonds.
What's wrong with owning US bonds? The entire world does it, the US isn't going to default, and if it does, it'll take the entire world economy with it anyway,
> You either play ball, or you risk a 20% rag pull, which translates to abject collapse.
And banks selling off their shares at bargain prices will just depress the stocks for a while, it won't crash the company.
>Did you really think the israelites would give the goyim respite? The moment people stopped watching Hollywood, marvelslop, and TV, and shifted to anime
It's sadly literally this. You can't just "watch/read/consume other media". They'll chase you wherever you go, and punish you for even trying to look for an alternative
>We don't want Black person centered games
Racist that much eh? Grand Theft Auto San Andreas remember, very likeable character Carl Johnson, even white know who's that.
People like that game for it's negative Black person stereotypes, go frick yourself.
CJ was a crimminal like one would expect of Black folk. He was an anti-hero to say the least, which made sense
Frey as a character is so utterly despicable and unappealing that it killed the game. People hated her dialogue before the game even came out because she’s completely obnoxious, and nobody wanted to deal with an annoying c**t that won’t shut up for an entire game.
Eh she's annoying at the start but becomes nice later. It's the other NPCs that are actually insufferable.
She’s a constant self centered c**t through out the entire game until the very end. You’d have to be blind, deaf, and dumb to not understand that.
Indeed
Are we pretending the game would have been a success if a white man had played exactly the same role?
Nah, the characters are too moronic and unlikeable, and the game cost too much to make. To not flop they need a major character rewrite and/or a immense cut in production costs
No it isn't, she's a terrible actress and voice actress too. So it's her fault as well. And her face isn't a face that sells you on product.
stop proving you're gay
Forspoken already had easy, normal, hard and very hard, it added a very very hard mode
Such got terrible fricking luck.
Square enix are one of the most moronic developers in the industry. They get by on Final Fantasy being so popular and that’s it. They stray out of Final Fantasy or something similiar and people realise how poorly written and shallow their games really are.
Mainline FF doesn't sell anymore thanks to their great efforts to uproot and displace any and all brand recognition.
Then they’re even more moronic than I thought roflmao
Brand recognition is the gayest shit imaginable and the concept of brands is a cancer in of itself.
The problem with brand recognition is that more often than not, it works. It's part of why the Barbie movie made over a billion dollars. It's why people kept paying to see the Star Wars sequels despite how bad they got. It's why Magic the Gathering is still rolling in cash despite how awful it turned out to be. Brand recognition plays into a huge flaw in the human psyche that corporations have learned to exploit: when we see familiar things, we piss and shit and cum in our pants.
>when we see familiar things, we piss and shit and cum in our pants.
I'm well aware of it. It's one of the many reasons why I'm a 100% misanthrope and believe this trash species deserves to go extinct.
sure jan but it's still an important metric that no one is immune to
I genuinely believe they are intentionally tanking their value so Sony can buy them. The shit they've been doing for the last 10 years genuinely makes no sense.
>The shit they've been doing for the last 10 years genuinely makes no sense.
This is Square Enix we're talking about, nothing they've done has made any sense and the only thing more nonsensical is how they've gotten away with it this long
It's like if a corporation was being run by the art team
I mean remember that time they made a movie that almost killed the entire company? They've always been moronic.
It's funny because the story some people tell about Square is that Final Fantasy was called that way because they thought it'd be their last game because they were really close to bankrupcy but that game rescued them. They released some good games after that like Parasite Eve but seems like after merging with Enix after their failed attempt to get into film making they forgot the two times they almost went to shit.
Go woke go broke
FF XVI flopped
?
>OP's title is about Forspoken
>Brings up FFXVI
Holy rent free.
I wonder if the writers of the game have been blacklisted after that fricking mess.
Honestly, I hope they don't. I actually want to see even more of this because people need something to point and laugh at.
It sorta feels good to know these blokes are being humiliated on a public scale and the only thing they can do is sift through the countless videos mocking a permanent stain on their career.
Someone will probably do it for me, but these writers most likely have twitter accounts with someone sending the occasional Forespoken reaction image or video comp on the most jarring lines in that game. I only ask someone to screencap their asshurt.
They should have all been sent to the same dump as their shitty flop game. At least Luminous had the decency to die after that embarrassment.
I feel like I won't be satisfied until everyone involved in the game regret having their names in the credits.
Feels comfy knowing the studio probably went through a lot of heartbreak and internal fighting leading up to their closure.
So it's like Squenix's fault then?
I’ve never seen any confirmation, so it could just be a writer very sensibly trying to wash his hands of it and throw everyone else under the bus, but given the dialogue and the incompetence of Squeenix management in general it does sound very plausible.
I can't even imagine what someone who worked on this project and was passionate about it must feel seeing that.
Hopefully shame and a will to ensure the next game is nowhere near as moronic. Shame is on par with spite for motivation you know.
>IT'S JUST LIKE ET
The game was a massive flop yes, but companies dump their overstock in landfills all the time.
Apparently it was rewritten at the behest of the execs, and the two original writers were only responsible for the outline.
It does sound accurate, since Amy Hennig is on the credits, and her specialty is making theatrical dialogue sound natural
Sodomite neomarxist writers always fall upwards.
Doubly so if they are israeli or shitskins.
Video-games are vehicles for propaganda, thus, activist writers will always get offers and gainful employment, regardless of how the product ends up performing in terms of critical acclaim or profit.
The lead writer already failed upwards.
That movie sucked tho
Yes, he wrote that pile of shit and ended up as the lead on Forspoken, he had complete control over the story and characters.
whitta didn't write forspoken you morons
he said himself he only canes up with the name athia and did not else on it, he just send an email to SE one week and that was all his involvement was
amy hennig did the plot points and game scenario stuff like "you can raid the castle this way or sneak in this way", then Allison rymer and todd stashwick wrote the actual script and dialog
Cool, can you stop posting a picture of a forspoken story important character that has a cutscene specific model, please?
>original concept and lore creator
Japanese companies maintain a lot of control over the company, things are a lot different there, the Toyoda family owns 5% of the company, but they still call all the shots.
foreigners really don't get much control over Japanese companies, unless they own most of it, I'm guessing Square Enix is mostly owned by Japanese institutions, just like Nintendo.
he came up with the name athia for a fictional land, and the concept of there being 4 witches called tantas which its was based on SEs on premise they first gave him which was to come up with a concept for a "witch vs witch" thing
he didnt write the story
they talked about this in the forspoken official dev livestreams
He wrote the worlds lore and back story and is credited as the lead writier, and it's evident the the core premise was designed bye him whereas moment to moment writing wasn't so clearly he had a lot of control, also why the frick are you watcing Forspoken dev livestreams.
https://www.gamesradar.com/forspoken-writer-gary-whitta-on-building-its-lustrous-new-fantasy-world/
>Taking what was then a blank canvas, Whitta explains that he was first approached by Square Enix back in 2017 about potentially working on crafting an ambitious new title that would be the first major project "under the banner of their new studio, Luminous productions''. With some initial visuals to work with, Whitta was tasked with taking Square Enix and Luminous Productions' initial points of inspiration and shaping them into a story and fantasy world that would later become the building blocks for Frey's adventure.
>"I was excited to see what they had, which turned out to be some very ambitious plans for the kind of game they wanted to make — epic, visually very rich and luxurious, magical, mysterious, character-driven, and totally original," Whitta explains. "But what they mostly had was visuals, a kind of mood board for the type of feel they wanted the game to evoke, rather than a specific story or characters. My task was to take those points of inspiration and begin to shape them into some kind of coherent fantasy universe and story."
>"I went away and put together a whole presentation that gave some beginnings of a sense of characters, narrative, and the underlying rules of a new magical fantasy world," Whitta continues. "The people at Square responded quite favorably to that and wanted to take the next step, but once they triggered that process it quickly became clear to me that an undertaking of this scale — the construction of an entirely new universe, with deep mythology and an epic storyline, all to its full potential — required more imagination than I could provide on my own. It’s common practice in the worlds of film and television to assemble a group of talented writers to collaboratively explore and flesh out all the creative possibilities, so I suggested we do just that."
You lied about this before and you're still wrong now.
>presentation
>not stuff used in the actual game
>only the name athia and tanta was used
literally nothing there contradicts anything I said moron and whitta literally said so himself that just the names of things he came up with were used
he didn't write the story at all
He wrote the shitty setting, and told them to fill it with ugly women and Black folk, he set the theme for what they should do like the completely unlikeable character, and then the writers followed through with his shit, the Cuff thing has Hennig all over it, the world building and premise have Whitta all over it, the moment to moment writing have nepotism all over it.
>shitty setting
The setting is great though, what's your problem with the setting? The lore is the only part of Forspoken's story I don't have a problem with, it just feels like an FF world.
Firstly I haven't played Forspoken because even shitposting on Ganker is a better use of literally anyones time, secondly the Black person worshipping male feminist vibes.
>haven't even played the game
>makes a post analyzing which part of the story was written by which writer
Dude your entire life is a fraud
I've seen some parts of the game, unfortunately, I'm busy actually playing Pikmin 4, it's better than anything I've played from Square Enix in the last decade at least.
>The lore
Is as cookie cutter as it gets
Okay name another game set in a fantasy empire that just lost a war and had a magical WMD dropped on them. Seems like an interesting setting to me.
What's cookie cutter about it? How is ff16 not more generic?
It’s generic dogshit. Nothing about the game is good.
>generic
You too, name those other games that make this setting generic
Its better than ff16 and has great gameplay and parkour system
Being better than ginal fantasy is like being taller than a hobbit, it might be accurate but it sure as hell ain't impressive
No he didn't he came up with athia and the Tantas none of whom are even black you moron
frey didn't even exist when he submitted his concepts
and the setting is good, far better written than ff16s setting
God you are coping hard, good to see though, no the setting is shit and he clearly influenced the design of so many things, Whitta is an actual cuck too, he's into this sort of shit, and the game follows.
He didn't write or design anything
he came up with the name athia and tanta and that was it
SE designed everything independently from the writers
It clearly states that he was not only responisble for the world building and characters but also was the lead in terms of writing since he assembled the team of writers for the game, him not writing the game doesn't make it any less shit, it's still the worst writen game in years, it's hilarious that this is a AAA game.
>it
he said otherwise after it released
ff16 has worse writing
The beatings will continue until morale improves
Can you imagine if Ganker talked about good games instead of endlessly discussing shit ones that are already dead?
>i like that game
>yeah me too
>thread archived
Nice strawman, does it bring you joy to be mad for 400 posts?
Forspoken is a better RPG than FF16 and has better action combat too.
>Barry shows up for his autistic routine of mass quoting copy pasta
>Flopspoken thread appears
This is the jannies admitting defeat and creating a Barry containment thread themselves.
I'm just happy it's video games at all
> Can you imagine if Ganker talked about good games instead
name a single new good game the last couple of years (updates does not count).
> picrel
explains how modern design works, and why you can't name a single good game.
Thanks for the redpil
It puts everything that I've been suspecting into words.
saved
>good games
Name 3
What's so bad about this game? The only thing I got to see was the trailer being mocked.
>protagonist is a strong female who don't need no man
>her story begins when she's running from the cops in an American city street. No I'm not kidding
>she is suddenly whisked away into another world, a magical world with Deborah Wilson's face scan model, and a bunch of other mutts (no one is white)
>she gains magical powers and learns she's actually a princess to a powerful mage
>the rest is meaningless because of the constant quips, street slang and cursing
For me it’s
>opening implies that she’s being coerced into criminality
>promptly reveals that nope, she’s just a thief because
>continues to be a selfish shithead, and the only time that the game calls her out on it is the one time she’s perfectly justified
>only starts caring because she finds out she’s important
>EVERYONE IS IMPORTANT
>IF YOU FEEL UNIMPORTANT, JUST KNOW THAT YOU ARE, NO MATTER WHO YOU ARE
>especially if it happens that you're the heir of a mystical royal bloodline with superpowers desteined to rule
Gameplay is what it is, no one really talks about it. Like people say "buy it on sale" because they didnt hate playing it.
The writing is pretty bad. Not incompetent but misdirected, they're doing this joss wheaton thing where people say "relatable" dialogue.
The mc is fricking infuriating, she has the power to save people and other people have to beg her to do shit. She cares more about her cat than the people surrounding her who are about to die.
The characters are all ugly.
The world is ugly. The city is horrible to look at.
This video obliterated my sides, man. What a shit game.
The ad revenue from that video made more than Flopspoken kek
Forspoken outsold ff16 this week again
https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/08/uk-charts-ps5-bundles-help-keep-lego-star-wars-at-the-top-of-the-pile
that is.. the dumbest way to make a mesh.
now post the dragon, god that thing must tank performance the second its rendered.
She is also fricking moronic. Shit like leaving a bag filled with money in her room in a burning building to look for her cat instead of taking it and losing all her money when it catches fire, ortalking with her magical item no one else can here during a trial where one of the magistrates thinks she is either a demon or possessed cause she came from the demon juice wasteland.
It seems to be a family trait, cause her dumb ass mom and her 3 sorceress buddies broke the demon Sussuruss in 4 parts and decided to wear it as israeliteelry. The motherfricker name literally means whisper. They wore the whisperer demon as israeliteelry!
Them, to save her child once she felt the possession coming, she tossed her into a magic portal to NY. Not to her father's house or a orphanage, but in the middle of brigde or tunnel. Something like that.
I sewar, it's almost like she was trying for a late term abortion
It’s like they forgot that the Refusal of the Call part of the Hero’s Journey shouldn’t span across the entire game.
they should have just copied One Piece.
every arc in One Piece is Luffy being a fish out of water on a new Island, its like a mini world he goes to and overcomes the next trial and wins over the people while defeating the villain, its worked so well the show/manga has gone of for 20 years.
>What's so bad about this game?
They tried so hard to cater to american liberals that the MC comes off as a satire designed specifically to mock them.
She's essentially a walking checklist of social justice traits in lieu of a personality, and all of it comes together to form a narcissistic selfish c**t that the game insistently expected you to relate to.
>She's essentially a walking checklist of social justice traits
What are these traits? Other than talking like a Joss Whedon character.
HEY BARRY, CHECK IT OUT!
I DID SOME MARVEL TO ME SQUARE GAME
AND NOW IT’S ALSO A FLOPPED GAME! I GOT A FLOPPED GAME, BARRY!
I'm glad Redfall was so much worse than Flopspoken nobody even wanted to meme it up
Either everyone in the studio is literally tasteless or there had to be some dunderhead upper management that said
>eww, that's TOO many ugly black men, why are they so old?!?
>how about some texmex POC kids and a white-suburbia black lady as our protag
>yeah... I'm getting chills thinking how BADASS this is!!
they took the Black person out of gang culture and anything resembling SR3 should've been a different game. it's almost racist how much they depict every nationality in the game like a caucasian sitcom, I don't like being depicted white
Valid point
Can I get a Huzzah! ITT?
They got absorbed by gearbox. Can guarantee they will do nothing but work as a support studio for Borderlands or maybe at best use the borderlands engine to try one more crack at doing saints row right. Not that it'll work, as gearbox is even more woke than the saints row remake between Borderlands 3 and Tiny Tina's wonderland
Oh they're going to make a sequel and blame the fans again when it doesn't sell except this time a rival gang will be fat computer nerds that type mean stuff about games they haven't played
The people that made this crap need to be excommunicated from the entire industry. I remember seeing that bank robbery mission where you don't do anything but sit there and then drive away. You don't even see the robbery.
How in the absolute frick did this trashfire cost 100m
The luminous engine must be an absolute clusterfrick
Agreed. Maybe they thought it was funny? Like the "John Romere will make you his b***h" marketers apparently thought their shit was?
they killed the expeditions series devs though which is sad
fl1ppy?
these clowns in the entertainment industry think they're entitled to everyone's money and act like the consumer is their enemy not the people they're specifically supposed to be designing a product for. fricking sad state of the industry and it happens in many aspects of business and government as well. they are supposed to be providing us with services or products we deem worthy of our money not bashing us and expecting money in return like pay piggies
This image right here is everything wrong with the gaming industry today. At least people showed with their wallets and that no, they didn't want this bullshit "reboot" of a SR game at all like they had been saying the entire fricking time.
I will never understand this form of marketing, a completely abrasive dickhead talking shit.
Even if the game wasn't trash, this kind of shit puts people off.
its the same style Gearbox does, despite even their best games being considered cringe as frick, they have this completely blown out of proportions ego that they are the hottest shit to ever exist.
compare it to Larian studios, despite dropping one of the biggest CRPG's ever with all that hype and accolades, I haven't heard shit about them bragging about it.
Did I... did I just do that?
I did not just do that.
Truly timeless.
DID I JUST THAT?!?! WITH MY FREAKING MIND??? I DID NOT JUST DO THAT?!!!
Why do they keep making games like these if they know nobody likes them
reminder forspoken is outselling ff16
>UK
Please anon, everyone knows that nobody on the God forsaken island has any taste in anything.
>already coping
Yes it did it literally tanked SEs stock price and pissed off investors
They didn't care about forspoken flopping anywhere near as much as they did ff16 flopping.
>Reactionary journalists can't take five seconds to validate their headlines
XVI sold decently but wasn't in SE's higher-end expectations (and nothing ever is for them), meanwhile the HD division sales were UP after XVI's release while Gacha and MMO divisions were down.
The thing that hit SE's operating income was amortization, i.e. older systems and resources being rendered obsolete and losing worth.
16 is literally the worst selling FF in history
>division up
conpared to only the same quarter LAAT YEAR WHERE NOTHING FRICKING RELEASED you moron
16 flopped and hasn't even broke even yet
square considered ffxv a massive flop so keep seething barry
SE literally said xv is the fastest selling ff in history and saved the company
don't you ever reply to me again you abbo Black person else I am dousing your petrol huffing ass in gas and lightning the tiny, coal fuse that is your pecker with my BIC lighter
Go blow your brains out or better yet get murdered by a machete gang you sub human brazillian fricktard
Keep coping because forspoken is more memorable than ff16
To be fair, this isn't 16's fault. 15 was so fricking bad that no one wants to buy the sequel.
>15 continued to sell and has the stronger post launch legs in franchise history and is the highest selling FF on steam too despite that coming over a year after launch and 15 has the highest launch sales in the franchise history, literally the top 3 highest selling FF too
>meanwhile ff16 flopped because ff16 looks like shit
By your logic ff8 didnt sell because of ff7
Right I'm glad you agree. FF15 has a very delusional cult base and had a lot of marketing power behind it that tricked people into buying it. After getting burned, they didn't want to buy another one regardless of how good or bad 16 actually is.
>FF15 has a very delusional cult base
I wonder why?
>bro they tricked people long after release when no marketing was happy to buy it pls belieb me!?
Yes. I don't know why the concept of people not realizing a game is shit until actually playing it is so shocking to you.
>Well this is the big thing and it got a lot of good reviews, better check it out now that it's on steam
>Wow this game fricking sucks. Never buying one of these again
It really is that simple.
So you're actually fricking moronic
I'm not the one who can't understand a simple concept. That's (you).
So ff8 sold less than ff7 because ff7 killed ff...
They mentioned octopath 2 in the same breath as forspoken when saying it could affect their fiscal target so yes
luminous weren't closed they are literally in cbu2 with team asano you moron
Ok so a lot of those charts weren't making sense considering what games were listed and the position so I did a deep dive and these are my findings.
>The UK software Saleschart is based on Physical/ Boxed copies
>As of January 2023 90% of Software sales in the UK are Digital
In short, these charts are meaningless and long outdated as a method for data collection.
>90%
*including dlc, mtx, online only games and mmos which skews the %
>her first interaction with the world is an animal attack
>followed by being escorted to a show trial at spear point
>then nearly sentenced to death
>”wtf we welcomed you with open arms, why do you want to leave?!”
I love it when writers forget to make edits when they’ve rewritten the script
It’s the most obvious example since TFA
>*knock knock*
>Hey anon open up! I brought some Cici's and Armored Core: Last Raven!
all is forgiven
enter
Would you let her in?
I'd be nice and give her a quick plap
No.
Last time I did it was Apu in disguise and he stole my HDMI cable
Nah, she would stral my apples and complain that she has 0 parents and lots of potential
>spend a quarter of your companies profits on game
>write it off
>die
What's this maneuver called in the financial world?
They could've used that money to make The Spirits Within 2...
he's here
>be orphan in nyc
>literally stealing all the time to leave because you don't have family, friends or possessions, have been a criminal your entire life, and a gang wants to murder you
>I JUST WISH I COULD GET LOST IN A RABBIT HOLE.PNG
>your money gets stolen, your house gets burned down
>literally sleeping in a dumpster
>about to be an hero
>get isekai'd and fly to a magical adventurous land where you have mystical superpowers
>I GOT LOST IN A RABBIT HOLE.PNG
>spend the rest of the game complaining that you want to go back to nyc, where you were about to commit suicide and were sleeping in a literal dumpster with no cash
>only change your mind when you find out you're royalty and have even more magical superpowers
how do you write a character this unlikeable?
It's quite impressive isn't it, especially since it probably wasn't deliberate
It’s funny because it’s not exactly rocket science to pull off a likeable character from this
>make it clear she’s still a nobody have her make use of her existing skills and make it clear the gauntlet’s what gives her any real power from the outset
>she accepts the need for help and is grateful for a friend, even if he’s just a magical machine and a smarmy c**t, because of how crushingly lonely she was
>make her grateful for a second chance at life and resolved to stay
>gameplay has her use her own skills as often as magic, which slowly earns the respect of the entity in the gauntlet which assumed she’d be happy to let him do all the work and take the credit
>minor antagonists want to boot her back to her own world
>she earns her own place in it
>finds out that she’s actually from a lost and important bloodline
>when people try to elevate her, she rejects them because she feels this would rob her of her achievements
>twist isn’t that the gauntlet is evil and the real reason she has powers, but that the gauntlet was a magic feather for her innate powers, which are evil
>the gauntlet was an ancient trap made to make her use those powers, slowly corrupting her, while making her assume she was just a conduit that it needed because she was the first one to pick it up
>her rejection of easy power and determination to be her own person makes the gauntlet rebel against its nature and shield her from the power’s influence
>game ends with her being special and having a special heritage, but only respected because of everything she did beyond it
I’m willing to bet that some light novel/manga/web series has already done something like this, but it’s not as if they were batting for originality
Shame you didnt get the job anon, much better than what they put out. Still using a coloured unattractive female, it still wouldn't work. Maybe as a novel.
Even her wanting to go back could be written better
>While she has no one back IRL, it's still the world she grew up in
>She starts missing IRL world stuff
>Has a slight struggle with it, which grows a bit more when realizing how good she would have it here
>Maybe some insecurity about realizing how lucky she is as well compared to other poor homeless gays IRL?
Like anything else. It would even challenge isekai powerfantasy narrative and do small social commentary from interesting POV.
Like my proposition ain't close to good but I think it would be more interesting at least.
Games like foreclosure are great creative punching bags.
You can come up with any idea, use it to shit on the game, and chances are it will be better than what they came up with
>>make her grateful
Already broke my suspense of belief.
>peace/love hippie mom gets knocked up by nig on first day in NY
>single white mom ensues
>immediately give custody of the baby to the state via portal
She never stood a chance
>pacifist white woman raped by a homeless black man the first day in new york
never thought of it that way lmao
>Implying that studio was made for anything except extorting money out of japs
I'm glad. Square Enix is shit.
She didn't. The incompetent Japs did it themselves.
Make it 3d Anime and the NPCs cute and the game would've done great it only failed because of the terrible artstyle.
This. It was Black person the game. Why would anyone wants to play it? Most SE games are carried by artists and in game models. SE tried to pandar to americans and Black folk and failed.
>SQUARE ENIX HEADQUARTERS
>KONNICHIWA HONDA SAN, OUR RESEARCH INDICATES THAT Black folk ARE POPULAR THING NOWADAYS, WE SHOULD MAKE A GAME ABOUT ONE, IT WILL PRINT MONEY IN THE WEST
>SUGOI IDEA MITSUBISHI KUN, PLEASE TRANSFER 100 MILLION DORRARRU FOR THE PROJECT
>HAI, ARIGATOO
you think it's funny but the conversation was exactly like this
>main character is result of one night stand with random Black person because mom was horny
very progressive, genius writing
it's like they trained an AI on american "entertainment" and they think this is what americans want
DELUSIONAL cracker and or Pooh
Wait is that fricking Black Dynamite
Barry, shut the frick up.
Forspoken flopped.
XVI is GOTY.
Those are just facts.
16 flopped harder than anything
She isn't even a facescan of her VA you moron
it did better than ff16 Funnily enough
How did Forespoken and Saints Row go up in the sales charts? Who's buying them right now? That's astounding.
>thinking FF has a chance after the insane hype surrounding BG3
You don't even have to like CRPGs or BG3, the fact that people are salivating over it means the normies will vote for it, compared to another JRPG borefest
FF16 shills are just mindbroken
I don't follow gaming news. Why did Forspoken flop?
it's a game for gamers, not subhuman cretin Ganker posters, woke journalist trash, and eceleb youtuber homosexuals.
It was shit. Simply put, it cost too much to make, and because of it's complete trashfire story, character, gameplay, writing it was meme'd to death.
It had a demo and people got to experience the power of luminous engine first hand. The dialogue didn't help either
did i just shit?
It was a Square Enix game about Black folk when SE players are into anime and fanservice. It's just SE killing itself with a big dose of ESG. Everyone was excited for that tech demo Agni's Philosophy but instead they gave us jungle Black
reminder forspoken runs and looks and plays better than ff16
Lol
damn ff16 is ugly
>muh 16
Flopspoken jej
>Indie game mogs Squeenix
this is some weird cherry-picking cope
are you also the one inciting because Forspoken flopped so hard they sent Square Enix into the red, by blaming it solely on FF16?
FF16 is what caused ff16 stock to drop in Q1 FY 2024 but keep coping
Forspoken runs like shit if ff runs worse than that, then it's stopped lol
DF said forspoken runs better than ff16 and that forspoken is solid 60fps on perf mode and they even increased the resolution while increasing frame rate too in one of the updates
ff16 is 720p sub 60fps on perf and never hits stable 30fps on quality
Quit ducking me you aboBlack person. Wtf is Dogbower's power? Does sweat = water mon? Maybe nervous vibrations = earthquake mon?
xvi cultists are on suicide watch
Ngl I'm kind pissed at you right now. I just read the tweet and realized you stole Lumby Who is Giga and Dogbower.
Starting to think all your work is stolen. Post proof you're not a fraud with an original DMon.
No wonder ff16 flopped
>literally posts kh4 main story character vs some random throwaway npc never in any cutscene
I posted a kh4 npc shown in a cutscene specifically
stop coping
Who is this Kyle that your stole Lumby from? I will just ask him for DMons since you can only steal other people's work.
XVI bombed so hard cbu3 were vetoed from doing ff17
cope larry
I told you already, I'm hkmon. You need to get your head mates sorted out.
Now you know the routine
That chart does not include DIGITAL releases.
90% of sales in the UK are digital based not physical.
We can look at August 6th August 12th for proof positive and what do we see?
Rather what do we not see?
Not Baldurs Gate 3 anywhere on that chart when it was released in the UK on August 3rd.
Barry once again a fricking moron.
>90%
*including dlc, mtx, online only games and mmos skewing the %
So no
>Forspoken was 7th most downloaded PS5 game in January
>DNQ for top 20 in February
>DNQ for top 20 in March
>DNQ for top 20 in April
>DNQ for top 20 in May
>DNQ for top 20 in June
>DNQ for top 20 in July
Kino
Just because the studio is dying doesn't mean we've defeated her. She's a shapeshifting demon who will continue manifesting herself no matter how many studios she kills. In fact she has already used the game Viewfinder to re-establish her connection to our dimension and continue tormenting humanity.
luminous is just a AAA team in SE cbu2 now nothing was killed
I'm unfamiliar with recent board lore, why is somebody desperately whiteknighting Forspoken?
It's barry
You should be asking why ff16 flopped so hard and why somebody is defending ff16 by deflecting to forspoken
>everyone who shits on Flopspoken likes 16
Kek I'm only here to dance on Luminous' grave for back to back flops
forspoken is just a quality game that the absolutely braindead noosphere was not able to handle. lmao
did you know there's a bossfight in this city against a giant flying bird and you have to parkour on the houses and chase it around the sky. insane fight
Only a ff16 shill would still be malding this hard over forspoken because you're coping ff16 flopped harder than anything in SE history
>malding
You're a barry
You're Larry
No. I'm hkman
Then have a nice day SEAmonkey
>Those headlines
Good outlets at least try to hide a bias.
Cope
>think Barry might have a minor redemption
>go on quest to find late night mom
>she's ai slop
>she's gross fat
Why cant you have 1 redeeming factor, Barry?
HKmoron why are you so obsessed and projecting?
oh no not a big breasted woman, this Barry has a really obscure and disgusting fetish
damn this Barry guy likes women with big breasts? hahaha wow that's so cringe lol
this is a forspoken thread, you're clearly mentally ill
When are they going to arrest the morons responsible for Flopspoken? Yuji Naka got 2 years for Balan
The people who did forspoken did ff16 too
I don’t know why morons are trying to argue over graphic fidelity when the fact that forspoken is a boring repetitive mess of trash that you experience the sun of content within the first 2 hours. Therefore already cementnitng it as a mediocre product. Any other argument is just throwing stones at shattered glass
>the sun of content within the first 2 hours
your dont even gave 1/4 of your abilities until after the first 4 hours what are you talking about? the subsequent magic styles completely change how you play the game and the minutiae of combat
I enjoyed Flopspoken and it's definitely not the atrocity that people made it out to be. That being said, I enjoyed FF16 more.
What does FF have to do with forspoken?
If the game were to have a cute animu waifu and typical JRPG writing instead of israelite californian jokes would it be a good game?
Because the core gameplay seems pretty bland to me
>would it need to be a good game?
No
It wouldn't, but it might cost a tenth of the money and thus still be profitable
I'm sure it'll eventually find its legs as a cult classic just like NieR
Why is some israeli internet agency trying to derail a thread about forspoken
Cant moot ban people bringing up """ff""" ?
report the off topic spam
Um excuse me CHUDS but Luminous wasn't killed off they are actually now secretly working on FF17!! They were not scattered throughout the company to be code b***hes!
Brittany Spears bought luminous. She's remaking 15 but with 4 hot lesbians and real magic instead of grenades.
I will now buy your game
Why is she jerking off her nose?
oh nonononono but the game is selling anon!!
Reminder that Freys mom is a "tanta" a spiritual embodiment of love, you know like one the endless from sandman lore.
She took a trip to NY, had a one night stand with a Black person, got preggers and then left the child as an orphan in ny with strangers.
White women, amirite?
>frey is a thief
>the isekai orphan Black person girl is also a thief
>frey's father is also a Black person, and pumps and dumps Cinta on a one night stand
is forspoken secretly based?
She didn't even left the child into someone's hands. She tossed a baby through a portal.
Good. We're now free of Luminous
forspoken mogs that
Oh look, one of the 40 people who bought the Flopspoken DLC lmfao
Oh look ff16 flopped
ok barry
43 reviews and mostly positive
xvi-kun malding
>a mere 43 reviews
>43 reviews
I'm happy at least Barry and his family decided to support his favourite dead studio one last time
>43
Yikes.
it was a terrible game with a bad launch and a bad story. nobody was asking for it.
>(Dead)
>(Dead)
Are you ok?
Flopspokensisters.... Why did our game bomb so hard
>spend whole budget on character model
>can only afford 100 more polygons for world building
Should have used a better engine like RPGMaker, Godot, or Tony Hawk Underground'l Create-a-park.
Did they even ever announce how many copies were sold? Seems like it couldn't even reach a million from the looks of it
It outsold octopath 2 which did 1m
Source?
What he meant to say was that it made more revenue than octopath 2 did because flopspoken cost 70 dollars while octopath 2 was 60.
it did not actually sell more copies.
Forspoken was on npd top 20 best selling chart from January to end of may
Octopath was on it fron feb to end of april
forsp was already price dropped by march so what it kept selling kept it in top 20 til end of march despite the reduced price
Or are you trying to claim octopath 2 with whatever % of the 1m it did in the US at $60 isnt enough to beat forspoken? octopath wouldve done majority of its sales in the US, same as forspoken
So lets say like 800k octopath 2 sold in the US at $60, so thats not more revenue than what forspoken would need to be ahead of it?
>Forspoken was on npd top 20 best selling chart from January to end of may
>Octopath was on it fron feb to end of april
in dollar sales
>so what it kept selling kept
No, it had a head start since it cost more. Every month it dropped because more popular games launched and made more money.
Yes moron in dollar sales, if octopath did 800k at $60 then that means forspoken did anywhere from 700k to 1m since its price dropped in march
>moron in dollar sales
but not more copies like you claimed with
>It outsold octopath 2 which did 1m
Are you fricking moronic? Let's say for argument sake Forspoken sold 500k at launch in the US
500k x $70 = $35m
30% off of $35m so $24m
Forspoken on NPD ranked higher than Octopath 2, ergo OT2 would need to have less revenue than Forspoken in the US
In February npd Octopath 2 didn't even rank on the top 20 YTD despite ranking 10th for February itself
Octopath 2 in the US in Feb was below Wild Hearts which was 8th, Octopath 10th
Wild Hearts on the YTD chart in feb was 20th, Forspoken was 10th
Forspoken only cost $10 more than octopath so the difference is not simply because of higher price, it is because Forspoken sold more
We know Octopath 2 did 1m worldwide
We know most of its sales are in the US
We know Octopath 2 did 120k in Japan
We know Forspoken is ahead of Octopath 2 on NPD and UK and EU charts, while only Switch version of OT2 is ahead of Forspoken in Japan
Let's say Octopath 2 did 600k in the US
600k x $60 = $36m
30% off that $36m is $25m
That can't be right, Forspoken made more revenue
Hmm so lets say Forspoken did 550k at launch
550k x $70 = $38.5m
30% off $38.5m so $26m
Hmm yeah that fits with Forspoken making more revenue
But what's this, Forspoken stayed on til end of may and its price dropped by march? So that number could be anywhere from 600k or more
It doesn't matter if Octopath cost $10 less, eventually Forspoken was $20 below Octopath and yet its beating it in the US, last we saw it beat it in the US, EU too
>Octopath studio status? Alive
>Flopspoken studio status? Dead
Octopath won by virtue of not being a 70m dollar write off
Luminous are in CBU2
Team amano are in CBU2
Asano said hd2d cost a lot more than people think and take years to make
OT2 was not that cheap
ルミナスエンジンはスクエニ第2開発事業本部のゲームの為に使うでしょ
というか8月の23日辺りにルミナスエンジンの新デモが公開されると思うぞ「CEDEC 2023」の時期に
廃棄とか言ってるのは情弱で恥ずいぞ
https://krsw.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1691722163?v=pc
Even 5ch btfo you
>this was born as a result of trying to hide the failure of FF15... Seriously funny
They're still shitting on 15 & flopspoken lmao
>Forcepoken
Why was this enough to make me laugh
Oof. Even the netizens are bullying Barry. Must be rough
xvi cultists on suicide watch
they're even saying tabata is better than yoshitpiss
nobody cares about either 15, 16 or flopshit, why are you like this
react man, it's not too late
They're shitting harder on FF16 but keep coping
There even says forspoken and ff15 look better than ff16
>Bazzy's own sources btfoing him again
lol
>source
>literally a message board where everyone is shitting on ff16 and countless people saying 15 is better even forspoken is better
theyee even shitting on the ff16 dialog and saying the "final fantasy" line clive says to ultima is the most embarrassing shit in ff history
xvi-kun you cant read I take it?
>https://krsw.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/ghard/1691722163?v=pc
That thread is really eye opening into the mindset of Japs. The talk is mostly about the cost of the game engine used for FF15, flopspoken and FF16.
The overrall consensus being the development cost for the game engines are starting to sink SE and need to decide what they want to do going forward. Are they going to stick with FF16's game engine or go with UE engine as the FF15/ Flopspoken studio/ game engine was trash.
Probably UE5 since KH4 and FF7R2 are using it.
No they're practically unanimous in luminous being better than the trash ff16 engine or what ue4 has done and they keep shitting on ff16s terrible graphics
Keep reading the thread, they go hard against FF15/ Flopspoken and Luminous Engine. They use "Light" "In the Sky" "In the Clouds" to all describe Luminous engine and are describing that Engine and it's Open World lack of versatility with the lighting engine.
That's literally not what they're saying moron they are shitting on THE FF16 ENGINE FOR ITS TERRIBLE LIGHTING AND POOR USE OF LIGHT THAT THEY ARE SAYING IS WORSE THAN 15 OR FORSPOKEN
Like I said, keep reading.
>3 completely different comments to what you just claimed
moron the entire thread is dedicated to shitting on FF16s terrible engine and practically everyone is saying it looks worse than 15 and that they should have used luminous for 16
How can you read those posts and think it's not shitting on Luminous and FF15/ Flopspoken? You really are schizophrenic kek.
You made him a wittle angy
The thread is shitting on FF16s bad lighting, the whole "too dark" thing is because FF16 has bad lighting in the dark
>No they're practically unanimous
Literally every upcoming Triple A game by Square right now uses anything but Luminous. It's over, trannie. Even FF Pixel Remaster doesn't use Luminous but Unity.
Are you fricking moronic? CBU2 aka LP are the only team who used it and are still using in now as CBU2
>hurr but these games that released before lumipro became regular SE again
What's your point? only 1 team uses the ff16 engine, not even ff14 is using the ff16 engine it was a new engine made from it
CBU2 has been using Unreal Engine you idiot Flopspokentrannie since they made Dragon Quest 11 which again is their most valuable IP next to Final Fantasy. The Flopspoken Team got dissolved and was not part of CBU2. Their team was called the Luminous Team because they were using Luminous and now it's scattered throughout SE. Bravely Default whcih also is their pet project doesn't use Luminous as well
>Spamming same picture not proving shit
Lol, lmao
>picture has the devs using luminous engine listed as CBU2 with a new luminous engine tech thing to be shown august 24th 2023
so you're just moronic?
>Wild Hearts
also cost 70 dollars
>We know Octopath 2 did
1m worldwide
>It doesn't matter if Octopath cost $10 less
Oh it does, because you brought up a dollar based chart.
See
And on US sales NPD chart forspoken lasted a whole month longer on top 20 best selling than octopath 2 did
>dollar sales
so just as that other anon said, you're talking out your ass and you have no proof that Forspoken sold more units
moron UK is unit sales and forspoken is ahead
And in the US the fact forsp lasted a whole month longer on the chart desperate being price droped by then than octopath 2 did also means it sold more than octopath 2 too
the only place octopath 2 outsold forspoken was on the switch in japan
forspoken steam version alone outsold octopath 2s japan switch+ps4+ps5 sales
So you got no sales data, okay then. Flopspoken only sold below 1.000.000 copies which is confirmed by Square not giving away any data. Octopath sold more than Flopspoken.
Not as bad as ff16 flopped
>Not as bad as ff16 flopped
Not it definitely flopped much worse than FF16. Flopspoken copies were literally thrown in the garbage, that's an E.T. level of flop, FF16 was just mediocre by AAA standards.
Its flop also killed the studio and the CEO got kicked out immediately after that lmao. I don't even see how that's a debate.
Anons, please. Somebody hold me, and tell me that the dude defending forspoken so furiously is doing it ironically, playing 5d chess or something and being seven steps ahead of us.
I refuse to believe that someone can be so out of touch with reality.
it's all one guy. barry is legitimately the most autistic person on Ganker
I've known for years but I still refuse to believe this person is real. I'd rather believe it's a psyop or something. It's too tragic.
>Ganker
He has like 6 active twitter accounts and he does the same shit on reddit and troonyera. He legit spends every single day posting this garbage everywhere he can
It's Barry, newfriend.
An aboriginal mulatto from Australia that's deeply mentally ill.
He was similarly obsessed about FFXV, and he's been schizoposting for years now.
How fricking new this dude has been shilling 24/7 for ffxv for like 8 years or whatever it has been.
xvi cultists are utterly mindbroken over ff16 losing to forspoken lmao
He said himself he only did the Nanette athia
Yeah, he didn't moment to moment he bug brushed elements like the women mages, and you have to cast a Black person as the main and all kinds of moronic shit that basically killed the game as is.
this is the weirdest damage control I've ever seen
>STILL no SFM porn
Fricking wild
>copies
no copies were there, that was just 4 empty steels not copy of the game you moron
FF16 was such a flop it tanked SEs stock
ceo of se resignedly because ff16 flop was written on the wall
Can you at least learn how to quote?
Can you stop coping?
DAMNNNNN you got me good.
I'll do it for you man, I'll buy one copy of the game now.
>ceo of se
No he got fired because Flopspoken was his personal pet that bombed. Just a week after release he got fired. Stop coping, Flopspokensister
>release best Selling ff
>erase all profits with flopspoken
yin always finds it's yang
ff14 and 16 lost SE money
Oof. That dude on the right should get brow ridge feminization surgery.
He is very greasy
Lumibros?
>16tards give up on defending their shitty game and start comparing Forpoken to completely random Square titles instead
Haha
I would make fun of FF16's low numbers... if it were on Steam
Based Team Asano btfo all the zoomer chasing homosexuals at Squeenix. Can't wait for their enxt project.
octopath lost
Were Octopath 2's sales called a disappointment on 2 separate investor meetings, Team Asano closed and the devs absorbed back into SE so they can't make any more games by themselves?
now that I think about it Octopath 2 probably made more profit than FF16 since its just a reskin of the first one. FF16 only just broke even
So after you spent a day arguing with with this imaginary person called "barry" what do you get out of it exactly
Do you go tell tales about it during family dinner
>yeah mom I post a pic of steam reviews and he had NOTHING
>that nice sweety, remember to eat your meds after the meal
Why are modern Ganker posters afraid of actually quoting people they're talking to? Is it a lack of father figures that make them too timid for confrontation even on an anonymous image board?
You insane fricks are spamming every forspoken thread with your fricking off topic.
Frick off
GO MAKE A BARRY THREAD TO TALK ABOUT BARRY
GO MAKE A FINAL FRICK THREAD TO TALK ABOUT FINAL FRICK
????
No
>sabotaged, neglected and ultimatelly kicked off the company
>spent a whole decade trying to get his games to work
>succeeds
Man, Takahashi must be feeling vindicated.
>be a black ass gansta gurl straight outta da hood
>have no dad, cant stop stealing, cant fit in
>jumped into a fantasy world
>meet another gangsta black young queen
>she is also a thief with no dad
Was Forspoken based?
Kek Forspooken is the gift that keeps on giving, didn't even know there were actual Ganker schizos heart&mindbroken it flopped but here we are
Forspoken success means Black personification and americanization age of Square Enix would've come upon us. It's failure is one of best things to ever happen to SE.
Schizo singular, anon.
Barry makes lanced jack and abatap look like amateurs
>the FFXV guys were very eager to announce every major milestone that game hit
>the same team didn't say anything about Forspoken's sales and never even announced 1 million
grim
>
>Flopspoken never got a 'happy 1m sales" tweet
Kek 70m dollars on that turd.
Too bad ff16 is the lowest selling FF in history and hasn't even broke even yet
Flopspokensisters... It's never been more over than it has been today hasn't it
>Forspoken flopped and FFXVI fell off a cliff after its first week
Good. Frick this miserable rotten tonedeaf company. FF7 Afterbirth is next.
Frick off, manlet. Your shit will bomb too.
This, I've been praying for Squenix to receive divine punishment for being moronic and chasing westoidbux for decades
>sales coping
At least the abo knows he lost in the gameplay department kek
>Barry using physical only charts for game sales He's as smart as a games journo, which tells you everything about him.
Barry lost
Jack won
See
SoP = 72+67+66+50(dlc) = 63 average
Forspoken = 64+63+71(dlc) = 66 average
>he's averaging averages again
Kek what a moron
>Forspoken's (only) DLC userscore average is 6.6
>Jack's final DLC userscore is 8.5
SoP = 72+67+66+50(dlc) = 63 average
Forspoken = 64+63+71(dlc) = 66 average
>SBK91 still posting the moronic kh shill playing the demo on easy mode wrong on purpose
have a nice day already SBK91
Luminous lmao
Keep btfoing the hacks in cbu3
SoP = 72+67+66+50(dlc) = 63 average
Forspoken = 64+63+71(dlc) = 66 average
>Stranger of Paradise has a higher userscore average
SoP = 72+67+66+50(dlc) = 63 average
Forspoken = 64+63+71(dlc) = 66 average
cope
Luminous team are literally in cbu2 still using luminous engine and stated they are still on AAA dev as a team you fricking moron
They are literally scattered iN Square Enix you fricking mongoloid having to do work on other games and Dragon Quest 12 is CBUII's Triple A baby
No they arent you fricking moron they are literally all in cbu2 as a single AAA team working on a new AAA existing SE IP and still using luminous engine as their cedec panel next week shows
They arent on dq12 you stupid frick
DQ isn't even AAA
>Spamming the same image that doesn't confirm your own statement
Look at the rules moron. DQ is Square's most valuable IP besides FF you fricking mongoloid lmao
So you can't fricking read?
How are you this fricking illiterate? Its literally shitting on FF16 and yoshitpiss, they're even posting pictures of why ff16 is so shit
I accept your concession, Flopspokentrannie.
So you're fricking blind and moronic?
>Flopspokentrannie has no argument
Guessed so
>xvi cultist cant even read the thread which is literally shitting on ff16s terrible graphics and saying ff16 should have used luminous because its a waste to not use it
DQ isn't AAA you dumb frick
So you cant read?
Are you fricking moronic and blind? Luminous became part of CBU2 in MAY 2023
whatever they were doing before that is irrelevant
the Luminous team are now CBU2s AAA team and are literally still using lum the same way they did as BD2
Nothing was dissolved you stupid frick
Read
They were called BUSINESS DIVISION 2 and used luminous only you moron, they then rebranded as luminous productions in 2018 then just rebranded as a regular SE team in CBU2 now in 2023
SE little said theyre on AAA dev
Their cedec panel for next week IS LIFO FOR LUMINOUS ENGINE WHICH HAS THE DEVS LISTED AS CBU2
How are you this fricking moronic?
>DQ isn't AAA you dumb frick
Look at the Flopspokentrannie thinking Dragon Quest isn't Triple A LMAO
DQ isn't AAA you dumb frick
>DQ isn't AAA you dumb frick
Based on what exactly?
Based on budget, based on how little it gets
DQ is not big anywhere outside Japan you moron
fricking DQ11 didn't even have orchestral music or voice acting when it released in Japan
>Based on budget, based on how little it gets
Which you don't know.
>DQ is not big anywhere outside Japan
That doesn't mean it isn't AAA.
>didn't even have orchestral music
that doesn't make something AAA.
Yes we do, production level is AA tier for mainline DQ at best
>literally no marketing outside Japan
>dq11 had no orchestral music or voice acting when it first released, literally had midi music
>both dq11 versions heavily outsourced to external studios doing the actual work
Yes it does moron, music is expensive to record especially orchestral stuff, when the original release didn't have it it was because it didn't have the budget because it was mid budget
it only got added in a seperate release which costs only had the English version and music recording since the AA Costs of the game already made its money back in japan alone
it has no marketing outside Japan at all
fricking dq11 barely sold 400k outside Japan
>Yes we do
Which you did not source
>at best
so you're guessing
>heavily outsourced to external studios doing the actual work
sounds like xv and forspoken.
>it only got added in a seperate release
sounds like more money added to the budget.
>fricking dq11 barely sold 400k
Which you did not source
https://www.rpgsite.net/news/10267-dragon-quest-xi-and-xi-s-surpass-6-million-in-shipments-and-digital-sales-worldwide
6 million total as of 2 years ago.
What I find interesting is that SE themselves consider DQ AND KH as their AAA ips alongside FF. But I'm sure you know more than SE does.
Sir please stop spamming the thread with the same image
>literally shows SE is still using luminous
>nooooo stop btfoing meeee
Forspoken = 6.6 average
SoP = 10+7 = 8.5 average
Dang you got me.
I really can't comprehend the thought process that makes characters like this. It would have been so easy to make her relatable and sympathetic but they completely miss the mark at every opportunity. It truly was written by Tumblr.
>struck out
Imagine having a studio so notorious for bad games that they actively removed their name from its already dead products
Then imagine simping for that dead studio kek
thing is as far as I know forspoken is the game with the best magical combat (of all videogames, so far). that makes it special.
>game opens with her getting arrested because she's homeless and has to live off crime to survive
>is cornered and has a gun pulled on her
>is actively being hunted after having the abandoned building she lives in burned to the ground in another attempt to kill her
>taken away to a magical land where she has superpowers and shelter and food
>"FRICK ALL OF YOU YOU ALL DESERVE TO DIE I WISH I WAS BACK HOME"
unbelievably dogshit premise. who the frick could possibly want to return to a place where you have an arrest and two attempts on your life on an average day?
>meanwhile
>in GOOD Isekai land
>"I fricking LOVE being a Slime and making my nationstate!
don't mind me just being one of the best Isekai's ever made coming through.
>video game in the vein of Dark Cloud 2 with city building where you play as Rimiru fighting things in dungeons while getting stuff to build up your nation state
if only we could have nice things.
>literal tranime
honestly, that’s a realistic reaction. People like what they’re used to. Hence why you can see third worlders destroying the west to make it feel more like home.
>Hence why you can see third worlders destroying the west to make it feel more like home.
Isn't that the opposite? Cororporate Burgers invading other countries destroying their economics and homes to keep their established power at the top?
Flopspoken kek
Still better than ff16
The precise moment I knew the game was bad was when dunkey spent his whole video on it playing Spiderman 2 instead
with gameplay like this from the demo, you basically signposted "the game is going to suck"
then again, it's the FF15 team so expectations for the gameplay were low and they somehow went below it
That looks almost exactly as braindead and unfun as FF15 so you're definitely right.
>acting like a player who is bad at the game somehow represents the gameplay potential
He seemed to get through the combat with no difficulties at all. Why would doing flashier moves that take more time and effort make him better at the game when he doesn't have to?
playing on dogshit easy difficulty against weak mobs in a demo for newbies vs playing the hardest difficulty against actual core fights and mixing all of your support spells together with instant lv3 charge attacks, including swapping between magic types and keeping your battle rank high.
oh yeah you just wanna make disingenuous arguments as a shitter who didn't actually play this.
I remember FF15 the hardest difficulty could be easily gotten through basically on auto-pilot and this looks very similar to FF15 so I don't believe you when you say that.
I would love to see you try to play ultimate mode
Sell it to me. The game can have a glut of options, but if the optimal strategy is as braindead as it is in FF15, I probably won't be interested.
Nobody has to sell you on shit when you're the one still posting a webm of a moronic kh shill troon from twitter playing the demo on easy mode wrong from over a month before the actual game released too
Alright this looks very flashy, but very little is actually happening on the screen. The enemies being braindead and mostly just standing there doesn't help.
I don't think I'm sold on this.
>literally easy mode from the demo
you're fricking moronic
Stop embarrassing yourself already SBK91
you never even played 15
kh3, kh2fm, 7r and 16 are all easier than ff15
SE used to have the technical and artistic capabilities to make things like this. Where did it all go wrong?
I don't know about this Black personism coping about FF16.
Who the frick cares about FF16? Yes it's a piece of fricking doghist, that doesn't mean this other particular piece of fricking dosghist is any better.
It has to suck to be a schizo.
>t.
>Forspoken added hard mode with a patch
>FF15 (which really could have done with one) didn't
Alright, now I'm upset.
I'm trans btw, not sure if that matters.
This is not about being white or black anymore. This is about an agenda this fricking sjw and troons have. They want to get rid of every alpha male character out there and be replaced with boss girls who no need man and can solve everything. Indiana Jones, Nick Fury, The Witcher. Tha's just a few examples of this agenda. And more shit will come.
Why is that every time there's an ugly female character reddit or resetera tries their best into tricking us into thinking the character is actually 10/10?
They did the same thing with the Fable character.
When will AI save video games?
Is Forspoken Square's biggest game flop ever? I know Avengers did incredibly poorly, but I would think it didn't do nearly as bad solely due to brand recognition and people buying without knowing better.
ff16 is their biggest flop
it sunk their stocks
No it wasnt
and he literally put his gut kiryu in charge
>No it wasnt
You don't need to cope. We can all see that it bombed and killed the studio and we know you're moronic but a CEO getting fired a week after Flopspoken released, a pet project of him, ain't no coincidence
We can see luminous are in cbu2 still using luminous engine and still on AAA dev but keep coping
Luminous Team is dead and Dragon Quest 12 will use Unreal Engine 5 you coping Flopspokentrannie. DQ11 as well used UE4 lmao.
>1 minute apart
how can you live like this and not want to have a nice day? genuine question
Keep coping
Who the frick is this speg who keeps bringing up FFXVI and why? Two games from the same company, so why is he dickriding the one that even reviewers hated?
just a mentally ill Aussie that's been obsessed with FF15 then Forspoken for a few years. they're known.
They were caught being into troony porn last year in wowg
ff16 lost to Forspoken thats why
the xvi cultists are mindbroken over it
>Forspoken already outsold ff16
xvisisters... its over
Just curious, did the leftist streamers that believe no black woman Can do wrong shit on it too?
Everyone who played it did. Some lefties noticed that there's 2 black chicks in the game and they're orphan thieves. Others jsut got mega bugged eraly versions and dropped it.
Square Enix is dead as a brand. It was dying anyways, but Forspoken really killed it.
WHO THE FRICK IS THIS butthole SO DETERMINED TO DEFEND FORSPOKEN, HOLY SHIT?
Barry. His game lost to literally every Square Enix game ever made. It's such a catastrophic failure it killed the development studio, engine and fired the previous CEO
Our favorite punching bag
lol
lmao even
It's like Nier but shit and gay. It even has a magical, nagging companion thingy busting your balls every now and then.
>Ganker screencap thread
go back
>100 MILLION DOLLARS
>GONE
>ironic writing: the game
deserved crash and burn
I still don't understand how they managed to pour so much money into such shit writing.
it's fricking hilarious
Don't encourage schizos.
got me thinking lately how writers are often responsible for killing games
gameplay might be boring but it's the story and dialogue that kills it, like forspoken and nu-saints row
but then again, redfall died due to turbo shit gameplay
Good writing can’t save a bad game, but bad writing can definitely make a mediocre or somewhat good game too insufferable to wade through.
particularly if you can't skip past the narrative to get back to the gameplay.
https://www.thegamer.com/square-enix-flop-forspoken-cost-over-100-million/
shit's nuts
>reveal got me hyped
>looked cool and fun
>but it launched and reviews were out
>it's shit
>50 GB too big
>optimized like ass
>main character is muslim girl
>all enemies are boring robots because no blood allowed haha
>focus on mtx and skins
>murdered by publisher after a year or so
gameplay was pretty jank as well
>The AVENGERS
>Literal billion dollar movie
>Make the MC a girl that never showed up in the movies
What in the FRICK where they thinking
Even if she showed up before no one would care because Ms Marvel is a diversity hire whom only giga nerds care about.
Yea its the same with captain marvel, a character whos series has been canceled every single time yet they keep bringing it back.
It looked like ass from the beginning. Everything in there is just a bootleg MCU.
>gets magic bracelet
>Teleported to fantasy world
>Can throw shit with her mind
YOOOO THAT WAS ALL ME
>Magical bracelet that started all this speaks to her and tells her she's using his power
AINT NO WAY. THIS IS ME, NOT THE MAGIC MCGUFFIN
>Loses bracelet and thus powers
WHAT DA FRICK!?!?
I fricking hate her character more than any other. It's unbelievable that "Not Important" from Hatred is a more likable character.
>he's just sending the same pic over and over stretched to different dimensions
utterly mindbroken
>tried to argue Hi-Fi Rush was a AAA game to make Forspoken look like the underdog going up against it
>Now he's trying to say Dragon Quest isn't AAA so LumiPro devs must be working on FF17 rather than DQ
Barry these claims of yours are getting ridiculous
HFR is AAA because it has voice acting and high production music and a huge dev team with AAA backing
DQ is AA level at best and isnt anywhere in that level, that fricking one piece odysee game cost more than DQ11 did
Also luminous devs are specifically stated to be doing engine development AND aaa game dev of existing SE AAA IP AND we know they are doing luminous engine development in cbu2 meaning they are still using luminous
also DQ12 is only managed by cbu2 not developed